The irony is that democracy is a scourge. Majority rule is absurd, violent, dangerous, immoral and fundamentally stupid. Just like every other sort of rulership.
Yeah, WWI ended with a simple majority, then came the depression, and Hitler rose to power declaring a rematch. A simple majority will never suffice. All or nothing, otherwise the other side will just bitch on forever.
Germany was still in France at the end of WWI, that's why they should have beat them back to Berlin then, to officially win.
If you have an issue where opinions split by a fraction of a percent, any choice you make will be undemocratic.
Granted that's a problem with democracy in general, in that is - in fact - mob rule. The only meaningful form of "democracy" is something they had in original America or contemporary middle-east, where people eventually find a compromise between wildly different opinions that satisfy not 51%, but 100% of the people.
If insurance company greed is driving up health ins. costs and making them skimp on benefits, then why don't we see the same condition with car or homeowner's insurance? What factor makes health ins. so expensive? GOVERNMENT.
Do you have amnesia or do you not really know that it was the Democrat party who intituted the requirement of a super mayority when they had control of Congress, under GW Bush? Check your facts before you put out something this foolish!
Such a nonsense,the majority bullying, robbing and coercing the minority. In 100 years from now this will look barbaric beyond imagination. Luckily in science, truth is not found by majority consensus. Truth is just truth, found by clear principles. Gang rape by 51% or 60%, o brother. That some people really expect some good to come from the barrel of the gun of a politicians. All about to go bankrupt in a puff of liberal smoke, leaving a crater of debt.
We are a Republic. not a democracy. But to say modern-day democrats and republicans would represent either is... ironic. Because they actually dont, its just a bucket full of neocons and neocrats bent on the future of the american Empire
These videos are ridiculous. "Majority Rules" leaves no interest in the minorities hands. If a person diagrees, oh well, big deal, who gives a fuck because america is a big popularity contest. Because these people disagree with me, I have the right to use my guns on them however I see fit. Look up Anarcho Capitalism, and youtube Stefbot, he's a good source of info on the subject. The government doesn't care about you, and the fact you let guns run a popularity contest is just...dumb.
Personally i think we need to strip the fed down to the bare minimal. Let the states pick up the services if its right for them. Each state is different and has different needs. Give power to states. That way people can shut up and move to what suits them best.
I totally agree, who needs a "United" States of America. Lets just have 50 separate countries with their own set of laws. "United we Stand"... pfft... state rights should supersede all. The laws of each individual state should take precedence. If you want to travel from state to state, be prepared to have a visa and insurance. Who cares if their needs to be any continuity between states in order for us to function as a viable society. Each state should set its own laws.
@trelane227 The Fed exsist for one reason. To keep the states in check. Not to tell them what to do. No state in this country can go against our constitution when making law.
These are the same people who can not balance a budget and also want to tax and spend. How about doing what every other family and small business is doing, cut waste, redundant spending and reforming entitlements.
You do realize that the Health Care Bill was rendered unconstitutional by a federal judge. After it was passed Obama and the 111th congress was held in contempt of court and they can all be thrown in jail.
im sorry. but when talking about the future of my country i DO so like it when the majority decide that something is good and not just 1 more person then the position! do you know how hard this stuff is to repeal? almost impossible. so in 2 years when 75% decide that they don't like it. it will be already to late. sometimes winning by 1 % isn't enough. we NEED a president every 4 years. so someone HAS to win. we have gone without obama care for a long time. we can survive a few more years.
I heard this bill allows for Obama to rape and kill my grandma. I also heard that Obama is a terrorist. I also heard that Obama wasn't even born in America. I also heard that Obama is a Nazi/Communist. I use to think that Nazi's and Communists were different things but now I know the truth they are who the looney left liberals are. Every Democrat reads Mein Kamph and The Communist Manifesto as if they are the bible. Conservatives know how to solve problems not create them.
@MrButtbanger someone just learned what sarcasm is! hooray for you! you probably also learned stereotyping at the same time seeing as your doing that to!!!
Fiore should read the constitution and the bill of rights, as well as understand the intent of our founders. Our constitution is NOT based on majority rules. The intent was protect the rights of the minority, not inflict the will of 50+1.
@larmar6058 yeah, and constitutional republic means "ruled by the constitution", something of which I deeply doubt you know anything of. Now, guess what form of government the United States possesses.
This vid sucks, why because rigged politics suck. It ain't about voting and majorities it's about the agenda of the richest 1% (The corporate financier class). You vote, they fuck, you loose. It's the name of the game and we keep playing it. If you want to change the system... you gotta make a bigger statement than continuing to participate in it. Don't vote, there ain't no hope. Instead vote to not: shop, watch the corporate media, or join the military. Elect to invest in decentralized energy.
@FactualActual Majority rules... That's democracy and all... Its been that way since the constitution's birth date...Don't see why its much of a problem now.
@raventakayama Did you ever actually read the Constitution? You do understand that we are not and never have been a Democracy, right?
You also understand that the reason the y"Deemed" it passes was not because of Republicans, they didn't have enough votes on their own side in spite of having a super majority. When your insurance goes up 35% like ours just did so that people that were already getting free healthcare, get government controlled free healthcare, then tell me how great this was.
@raventakayama Why would you want to destroy the best healthcare in the world? Do you have any clue how stoneage medicine will go all over the world? Do you realize 95% of medical reseach is either funded or paid for by the US market? That all goes away when government takes over and we go to a messed up system like Canada or the UK. Then the government decides if its economical to keep you alive. Why would anyone want that>
@TAMPADOC Most research is privately funded and requires grants. Also any funding in research won't fall under the sign of universal healthcare. True universal healthcare allows everyone to go and seek treatment without the possibility for decline. It doesn't affect doctor's creativity, where they can work, or research. It only affects the insurance companies. We do not have the best healthcare system in the world. Our quality of healthcare is superior but our system causes us to be ranked at 37
@TAMPADOC64 They're notorious drinkers, and fatting dairy products is part of their culture and one of the things tourists go to experience. They have the same transportation as us and live just as sedentary as we do. But they are ranked #1 with inferior healthcare, but a superior healthcare system. I wonder why that is.
@raventakayama Its real simple, its the reporting method. For example Cuba reports a lower infant mortality rate then the US. What they don't report though is babies with gestation less then 30 weeks where the US reports all of them even as early as 20 weeks. Obviously 30 weekers have a much better survivabilty rate then do 20 weekers. But since they don't count them it looks like more babies die here when quite the contrary is true.
@TAMP organizations and the WHO. Which is policed due to their fight on human rights violations, which is something I research while on my model UN team. The US media feeds us plenty of propaganda, look for international news its gives you a totally different perspective. Socialized medicine works, the rich from other countries come here because we have a higher quality of healthcare, but even with that our healthcare system is so messed up we're ranked in the low 30s in healthcare world wide.
@raventakayama The WHO is a leftist organization as is ALL UN agencies are. In case you hadn't noticed, virtually ALL UN members are to the left of us. The UN just apointed Iraq to the council on womans rights. A country where you can legally behead your wife if she dishonors you. Typical UN. Oh and I really question your reseach since I mentioned that I read UK papers and you obviously missed that. People die everyday in Socialized healthcare because because of bureaucracy and cost.
@TAMPADOC64 And about the women's rights... tell me, who's better to lead a drug task force the street smart detective or the desk jockey? Jesus once stayed with thieves and prostitutes, its a symbolic story of relating. And who better to relate to women's rights issues than a country with poor rights for humans in general? Or maybe we should appoint the US since we only beat our wives under the cover of dark and pretend to be better than others. Gotta keep up appearances huh?
@raventakayama Wow, what a hypocrite you are. So let me get this straight, because we have some deranged people (probably you) that beat their wives, that justifies a country that stones woment, beheads women and treats them like property. You example sucks! Its more like putting pedophiles in charge of nursery schools. You a sick person and should seek professional help!
@TAMPADOC64 Why do cons automatically think you're justifying an evil act when you point out the evil that this country or members of this country does in comparison. I'm not married by the way. And it would only be like putting pedophiles in charge of nursery schools if the person who is actually in charge is a wife beater and condoms the activity. I'll tell you what though, you can put a pedophile in charge of criminally analyzing another pedophile I bet that would work fine.
@raventakayama Sighting facts from the WHO about the US is like asking Iraq about womans rights. But I'm sure you'll defend their choice there as well.
@TAMPA Facts are facts, you wish to disagree find the proof. There's plenty of nonpartisan organizations providing that proof, but they're mostly agreeing with the UN. For a guy with a Ph little d you sure came with a lame defense.
@raventakayama First of all you need to learn what a fact is. Hitler Mao Stalin offered plenty of what they called facts. It didn't make it so. The Soviet Union had facts the average person it the US lived in poverty. Funny when people have to attest to being nonpartisan, they usually are. For a 24 yr old edjumacated genius, you sure don't know what a fact is.
Oh and thanks for noticing my bad typing, Since you're going to be asocial worker, want a real job? You can be my spell chequer.
@TAMPADOC64 It's finally hit home you guys and not you're rallying like its the civil rights movement all over again lol. Talking about selfish intent. And facts are facts, interpretation is a delusion, and no person in their right mind would get facts from one source. And social worker huh? LOL I'm already making more than half of the Americans my age. I work as a researcher only second to my former professor and head researcher. Considering I'll have my masters in biotech by may lol...
@raventakayama@raventakayama So you are a social worker. Sucking on state money. So I'm paaying your salary little boy. It's funny that the liberals are always the ones that act like childre. They lie, cheat, steal and have no real sense of morality. BTW, in case you haven't noticed and obviously you're not smart enough to, we are the majority.
@TAMPADOC64 lol wow with the insults, I must have struck a nerve or something lol. Funny how you people forget that it was conservatives who SUCKED the money out of this economy and simply ignored it for years. But since its the other team in office I guess its as good a time as any to start complaining. And last I checked the masses were ignorant so I'm not sure that we're the majority thing is something worth claiming. Unless you're talking about the current election and again ur mistaken.
@raventakayama Sorry, you didn't strike a nerve. I was laughing the whole time. You take yourself far too serious. You're not as smart as you think as think you are. It wasn't conservatives that who "sucked" the money out of the economy, it was progressive RINOs. After the Reagan presidency (when you were still in diapers) RINOs took over the RNC. You see you have no clue.
@TAMPADOC64 You lie better than Palin my friend, You for president 2012 lol. You're starting to sound like a teabagged con. Which is much worse than a regular con at least normal cons know they're crooks. You people on the other hand refuse to believe the corruption flowing through you veins, and hide behind extremely twisted American history, and half true American values.
@raventakayama Oh, so you are a nutbag Liartarian. So you're one of those tin-foil hat nut jobs. I'll bet you thin 911 was an inside job, aliens in area 51, Pearl Harbor was an inside job, and all the other wacko theories. In all fairness, I got into the Liartarian Party for a short time when I was younger than you. But I quickly grew out of it. I sure you will too.
@TAMPA Next Americans must have thought he had a magic wand or something because 21 months to fix 8 years of Bush economics 101 is hardly fair. At least give the man half the time it took to fuck things up SERIOUSLY. But conservative media jumped on Obama before the 1st bit of legislation was even talked about. On top of all that you really know Americans are stupid if they plan to bring back the party who got us here in the 1st place lmao.
@TAMPADOC64 Its just say no politics and you know it. Obama could find Loki's staff and make everyone's dreams come true and the reps would still be against it (And Loki's staff doesn't exist ^_^). The people who benefited from rep control during the 1st half of that amBUSH were the wealthy and upper middle class. Funny considering how they don't even begin to make up the majority of America's population. I really want conservative controlled gov so you'd see their plan is the same as Obama's.
@TAM Lets not forget that the Republicans have yet to come up with an economic plan. How can you have bipartisanship when one party is throwing out ideas and the others just saying no? Seriously even when reps are pressured during interviews to reveal some kind of economic plan they dodge like the question's a fireball. You know the republican plan for healthcare was to table the topic. That sounds like the same thing that happened during the Clinton era and it took 14 yrs to get the topic back.
@raventakayama OK, bright boy, explain to me first of all what Conservative "SUCKED" the money out of the economy.
By Majority I mean the people that slaughtered the Democrats last Tuesday. I grant you some of them were stupid enough to believe the liar-in-chief when he said that he'd bring people together and govern as a centrist. Of course as always the Democrats lied. It's the only they ever get elected is by lying and taking advantage of the young and dumb, like you.
@TAMPADOC64 Its funny how you say they slaughtered the dems. Fact is Americans the vast majority at least make up the bottom of the intellectual totem pole. And many more Americans are more emotional than commonsense oriented. Obama ran with healthcare at the forefront of his campaign. That was his topic and he immediately went forward with it. NOW the news media paints him as being out of touch, but if he had neglected his platform they would have painted him as being a liar... lose-lose.
@raventakayama "the vast majority at least make up the bottom of the intellectual totem pole" Those are called Liberals.
A Few Obama Quotes; "Open debate on CSPAN" "I'll bring both parties together" I'll make our business the most transparent..." "As President I'll make it impossible to slip pork barrel projects..."' When I'm president laws will be made in the open, no back room deals.." "When a bill ends up on my desk, you the public will have 5 days to look it over on line so you know whats.
@TAMPA Saying stop spending won't help a soul. And you know that the reps are in a just say no attitude. The healthcare bill was modeled to address the republican agenda on healthcare, which was a show of bipartisanship. The way the reps have stalled government entirely should be addressed, but again Americans aren't smart enough to leave a snake well enough alone. And if you think libs are at the bottom of that pole you haven't visited conservative GA and tried to carry on a conversation.
@raventakayama You really believe the Republicans stopped anything when the Dems had a super majority? Please turn on some braincells! The healthcare bill barely passed because it was a horrible bill. Did you read it? I did! Its rubbish! Its full of double talk, loop holes, regulations, contradictions, and taxes. And it was not modeled to meet the Republicans agenda. Please stay off the cool-aid. Just because they added a couple of Rep suggestion which they countermanded later means nothing.
@TAMPA The reps did stop it because Obama was clearly trying to keep his pledge to gain and maintain bipartisanship. Liberals have stated plenty of times that they wanted the dems to just push the legislation down the reps throats, but no that was halted for quite a while due to the urge for bipartisanship. The reps simply took that opportunity to stall as long as possible. Don't play dumb and don't act like the Obama admin weren't reaching out in the initial steps of the bill.
@raventakayama You're totally braindead! He couldn't get the votes without dirty dealing with his own party. Now we all get to pay higher premiums, higher taxes get less benefits, have more government regulations (already taking effect with drugs getting cut from insurance company list because the Obama admin is having FDA unrecomend them) and for what? So that people that were getting free healthcare can get free healthcare.
It's the most moronic thing I've ever heard in my life.
@TAMPA Its hard for Obama to keep those promises. I mean no one said the republicans would refuse to cooperate 100%. He could have done what Bush did and started a propaganda campaign that sparked the conservative media to question dem's love for America. He could have applied negative pressure to get what he wanted, but no! He tried to talk it out with them. Reps made it clear that they wanted to table the topic. You're blaming the wrong party for that outcome, its your offensive line blocking.
@raventakayama Wow, trolling on many of these propaganda videos by markfiore I see. Bush NEVER started a propaganda campaign, dipshit. I listened to an interview of him today and he never would have lowered himself to do such a thing. You leftwingnuts are crazy ass liars, and you hope the people will be fooled by your twisting of history, but it won't work.
@Darkrift I'm sorry I don't troll I leave a message and ignorant people get pissed off at the truth. No there was a clear propaganda campaign. Do you know how many times American officials were called un-American by not supporting the war. The campaign went as far as to belittle France for not supporting the US, and the whole freedom fries thing was a clear result of such propaganda. You know nothing of the political world or the world period lol. Get outta here.
@raventakayama "Truth"? Only ignorant people like yourself actually think their opinion is to be considered by others as "truth". The Bush administration NEVER ran a propaganda campaign of any kind. If they HAD run such a "propaganda" campaign of actually correcting the bias of reporting by the liberal media, then ignorant people like you wouldn't be so ill-informed today.
@raventakayama The Republicans refused to cooperate after he made it clear tha tit was his way period. Remember "I won, you lost; there are consequeses to elections" There was no excuse for him breaking those promises. He never intended to keep them, and if you think otherwise you're a fool. Whey did the stimulus get signed without being posted like he promised? Because if tax payers read it they would have been calling the Congressmen and Senators and screaming. I blamed the right party!
@TAMPA He never intended to keep those promises? Then why did his admin wait so long to pass healthcare? Even with the two dem hold outs they still had the simple majority. Why play the game and wait for someone else's input for SO LONG. I mean you even said they could have passed it right away. Why wait? Why blow the reps off and do things the dem's way after such a long period of time? Seems to me like they wanted their friendly neighborhood republicans' opinion, outside of TABLE IT.
@raventakayama They waited because the ycouldn't get the votes, don't you remember? There weren't enough Dem willing to vote for that piece of garbage. And it wasn't 2 holdout, it was 38 early on. They didnt even have a simple majority until they started doing backroom deals (another broken promise)
@TAMPADOC64 We'll see if I qualify for social worker. You know we're not all lucky enough to find an education on the back of a matchbook like you and your idol god Bush. Some of us had to come from nothing to be something, and instead of acting like elitist we're actually trying to give back to the community. And don't speak on the bs you think you've done cons are only good for helping themselves.
@raventakayama You're a funny little boy.You know nothing and like to talk big, I've given more to my community then you'll ever dream of. Go back to you're little social worker job, go home tonight, put your UnderRoos on tonight and cry while you god and master looses his teeth and your Idols Reed and Pelosi get sent home for good.
Oh, and don't worry, I'm sure you'll meet the right guy and get married.
@TAMPA Look at any of my old posts from other vids. You'll see that I want tea party backed candidates to win, so everyone would see how much "change" actually happens. You're not to bright if you think more of what got us here is going to fix our situation. You're also dumb if you think special interests from BOTH sides aren't placed on a higher priority than you're personal agenda. You cons and libs are like fan boys only difference here is the fact that libs possess buckets more commonsense.
@raventakayama You sound like one of those nutbag libertarians. Libertarians are the most worthless creatures on the planet. They never accomplish anything but the bitch like a herd of gay hair dressers. They believe in every nutbag conspiracy theory while hiding under their tin-foil hats in their tin-foil linbed rooms eating Cheetos and jerking off to old Ron Paul videos.
@TAMPA Oh and we should also listen to economic strategist who have said that the only way to get out of this mess is to provide the necessary funds to jump start consumer spending. Also lets not forget that the bank bailouts kept thousands of people from rushing to closing banks and withdrawing all of their money, which is exactly what happened in the great depression. Oh and the lack of government caused bank big spending so more government in that situation is better. And who's Ron Paul? lol
@raventakayama You must have ADD. I asked what caused the current crisis. I guess tha tgreat edjamacation you have just made you too smart to understand a simple question.
If you had even an tiny understanding of economics the nyou would understand that the Republicans have been giving the right answer all along. CUT SPENDING. Our governemnt spends far too much and that is what is killing our economy. Nothing else, every time governemnt gets involved with an industry things go bad.
@TAMPADOC64 No my friend if you cut spending it doesn't help the middle class. The reps are saying cut spending, but they know just as well as the dems that those spending cuts couldn't have come from the bailouts. The bailouts no matter how stupid it may have seemed were needed and the reps would have done the SAME EXACT THING. That's what most Americans don't understand. In the great depression it took a war to get us out of it. There was no sign of economic recovery for 10+ years...
@raventakayama You've been brainwashed! We didn't come out of the great depression BECAUSE of the government. The New Deal prolonged the Great Depression. Why do you think it lasted more then 10 years here and 18 months in the rest of the world? The bailouts did more damage then good. It gave the banks the ability to foreclose on homes and sit on them instead of having to deal with the market. There are whole neighborhoods in Miami the banks own and aren't selling because they don't have to.
@TAMPADOC64 No dummy I said we came out of the depression because of a WAR. Not the government, wtf are you talking about? Grade school kids know the link between the great depressions fall and WWII
@raventakayama So you agree that the Great Depression was only prolonged by the New Deal? Good, that would be the first correct thing you said. So now you're backing Obama that is doing the same moronic things FDR did that made the Great Depression last ten years.
@TAMPADOC64 Think about it, he ran on healthcare. The reps wanted to table it. They'd be making him into a liar. The media would be saying, "HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RUN ON HEALTHCARE AND THEN ALLOW THE REPS TO TABLE THE TOPIC WHEN YOUR PARTY HAS THE MAJORITY?" Seriously, the reps were looking for instant political sabotage from the start. If you can't see that then you're the brainwashed one my friend.
@raventakayama He promised to work with the Rep, then when they offered their idea and objected to items, he said "You lost, I won". Then he put forward a bill he never even read, neither did the people tha tvoted for it, but they called the people that did read it and didn't like what they read liars. So you can't say sabotage, he never intended to give any consideration to Rep. Did he post it on line like he promised? NO! Did he hold the debates on CSPAN like he promised? NO! Who's brainwashed
@raventakayama Now, I'm an outsider, so I've not seen much of USA. However, I do know that it seems to have not changed in policies, especially wars. In fact, initiation of another war is already in the Middle East. And the tax cuts he'd do, though all the cuts he did was to keep the Bush tax cuts. The only thing he did manage to get in was what you mentioned.
@Denon333 Its political pressure and the downside of a two party system. He made promising assuming that the republicans would at least attempt to meet him on the issues or even debate the issues. However, much of what we've seen so far is the republicans' refusal to even consider a democratic approved policy and the democrats are to nice too and down right weak to properly contend with the republicans. That's the reality of our failing system, but its not like Obama hasn't tried either way.
@raventakayama ok so republicans decide they don't want government to touch health care. obama says ill give you this if you let me touch health care and they say no. he then says ill give you this if you let me touch health care. they say no. you call it railroading. i call it sticking to their guns. oh and obama got it passed anyways. so in a few years when Republicans who will be in power decide to repeal the new health care bill you wont bitch when democrats try to block it without debate?
@gibblets It wasn't a give and gain situation. They refused to debate. They did not want anything to do with healthcare reform no matter how it would be reformed. They had no plan for healthcare and weren't willing to listen to any other plans. Healthcare is an issue that needs to be addressed. You can't simply ignore it, well you can but you'd be neglecting millions of Americans. And if reps repeal healthcare it would add billions to the debt so they'd be contradicting themselves as usual.
@raventakayama Democrats were the ones who originally refused to compromise. Besides, although I agree that Health Care for everyone would be nice but it is simply impossible. The money is not there! "neglecting Americans" You tell me the name of one hospital who wouldn't treat a severly injured patient despite insurance? Where exactly in the constitution does it say that all Americans were entitled to free stuff? No where because the American dream is to work for everything you have!
@GerardWay4President lol the money's there just ask the rich 1%... If the government properly utilized available funds....blah blah you know the rest. This system's screwed up and the top is trying to use the bottom to fix it... As usual.
@TAMPA Plus the government doesn't decide if its economic to keep you alive. Does the government decide if its economic to send police officers to our emergencies? No, and the police force of the US is socialized, which is a fancy way of saying taxes pays their salaries. Now the ones deciding whether its economic to keep you alive are the insurance companies. Just think about it, France is #1 in health with slightly inferior healthcare, but a great healthcare system. They eat as much as we do...
@raventakayama Actually police would not fit the description of Socialism at all. They are state employees, you really need to learn more about socialism. Also, you are incorrect about the government in socialized medicine not deciding your fate based on cost. If you follow UK news, there are stories in there daily about people being left to die because of cost of treatment. Don't kid yourself, that doesn't happen here. I could list tons of cases to support both of these facts.
@TAMPADOC64 Actually no our taxes pay the salaries of police and other public servants. It doesn't matter if its state or fed, they aren't providing a marketable service that we have to pay for out of pocket upon receiving that service. And not only have I read plenty on the medical systems in western Europe, I've studied it and researched it as part of my curriculum while obtaining my masters in public health. And I also know where the statistics come from even the stats provided by nonprofit
@raventakayama Duh! Did you just figure that out? We also pay for roads, Government buildings, bridges etc.. which are always Govt. employees. That doesn't mean it's Scoialism. Congratulations. You got some book smarts. You're 24! You're all grown up now! BTW, you're going to learn more in the next 5 years then you've learned your whole life. You studied this for what 6 months, a year? I'vebeen studying it since you wore diapers. A Masters in public health huh? OOHHH! Is that betterthen my Phd?
@TAMPA Funny how people with PhDs never use an uppercase D lol. I'm working on that, I'll have it before I'm 26 more than likely, and obviously your doctorate if you even have one isn't in this field, because you talking like a conservative not a knowledgeable individual. WHO a leftist organization? Ok I guess Mercer University, and Morehouse School of Medicine are leftist as well lol. Everyone who doesn't agree with you are leftist huh? Because those schools and many more disagree with you.
@raventakayama Funny how 24 year olds with a degree thin they know everything. I'm a physicist, engineer and a business owner. You're a narcissist child with a leftist education. You assumption that conservatives are not knowledgeable show what a common ignorant educated dolt with a total absence of common sense and even less intelligence. Bring educated doesn't make you intelligent. Look at our president, can't give a five minute speech without a teleprompter.
@TAMPADOC64 Cons aren't knowledgeable of the truth. Seriously have you seen a tea party rally. And I'm no lib, but cons get on my bad side because they have a child wit as well as a child's personality. I've recently watched cons get treated like minorities and complain like school children. I find the recent conservative plight rather amusing and it is rooted in ignorance. Ignorance in the fact that the things their pissed off about we've (mods) been pissed off about for years.... BUT...
You only have the rights the big federal government affords you. The majority is against civil rights for sexual rebells who choose to infuriate society with their sexual nonconformity. You will assimilate or be criminalized.
The najority has not voted to extend any civil rights to homosexuals. Even Congress requures a majority. The majority rules. This is not a civil rights issue. It is force the state to sanction sexual amorality. Why can't mormans have many wives? Why can't pedophiles marry their little daughters?
The Constitution is all that matters. A living document is meaningless and just leads to politicizing justice further. The law means what I say it means as a judge? No.
Rights? What rights? There is no fundamental right to sodomy in the Constitution. The Supreme Court cannot force the states to recognize marriages at all. There is no right to marriage in the Constitution either. That decision was judicial activism.
I think Americans are a little too concerned with their Constitution. What make's you so sure that the Constitution is a good foundation for making moral policies? The US is one of the world strongest arguments against democracy, being a nation shock full of plain and pure idiots.
Minority never rules. For a California judge to disenfranchise 7 million voters is unconstitutional. That's judicial activism. Some biased faggot overriding the consent of the governed? This must be overturned. The Prop 8 voters were disenfranchised.
@ToxicOdiousOne You see, the thing here is that gay marriage shouldn't be voted on. The judge realized that. it doesn't matter if the entire state of california marches down the capital and demands that "faggots" not have rights. IT'S NOT RIGHT! It's like voting on free speech, or whether or not muslims should be allowed in the country. It's not something that should be voted on. PERIOD.
Seriously, I don't have time for this. Why don't you try watching some Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell. Tell me what you think.
If you have a specific topic you're currently developing an opinion about, let me know. I can probably recommend some videos to help you understand the conservative side.
Don't they relize they had a tax relief?? If there so against the government, stay far away from medicare, social security, and don't send the kids to schools that are governement funded.
@nhstategop A Democracy and a Republic are too seperate things. Democracy is when you elect on laws or people to represent you to decide on laws. A Republic is when you have a President (doesn't have to be elected) as a head of state, as oppose to a Monarch. We are a Democratic-Republic, so we are actually both.
@DrPepperBeatsCoke You have just demonstrated a clear misunderstanding of both governmental institutions. Democracy- A system of government by which every member of the citizenry votes on EVERY decision directly; No representatives. original application was within the Greek city states, but even then it was as varied as the christian sects of America. Republic- a system where the population of citizens votes for representatives to make decisions of government.
@nhstategop why won't we just genocide the far right and the far left ideologists? Then without the vocal minorities yelling and screaming at each other stuff might finally get done.
@devrobbiz but then you're left indecisive morons who don't care. Most of the "moderates" are just simply apathetic douche-baggy white kids who are perfectly content to spend their parents money on cheap beer and room at over priced universities. of course that is a generalization but honestly most moderates are quite useless when it comes to decision making.
@CaeserAexix that's a gross generalization :-) I believe most moderates are tierd of extreme politicial talk, they hear 1 of 2 things: "If you don't get this bill you'll die" or "if you get this bill you'll die". It is ridiculous, moderates/common sense/straight talk are dead, if they returned pp would start to participate & listen more. All they see is 2 parties that don't speak to them and only coddle to the extremist. Although maybe pp r just stupid, I mean 40% still think Iraq had WMD's.
Pure unaltered democracy is horrible. It is bad. A majority should never be allowed to vote away a minorities rights. The smallest minority is the individual.
TELL ME, name oen thing the government has run efficiently?
Libertarians are for limiting government so it doesn't have the capability of removing rights. And what rights have been removed? Maybe slavery, but if you want to go back to the civil war we can do so. Segregation has always been against libertarian ideals. ALWAYS.
When I think conservative I like to think of people like Jesse Ventura and Barry Goldwater. Don't agree with all of their views but they lie mostly on the economic conservative socially liberal scale. Social conservatives I cannot wholly agree with, but Tea Parties are economical in nature. Scary DEATH PANELS and ABORTIONS are just superfluous to mention when one is talking about adding debt to a debt ridden nation.
A true leader brings a country together. A true leader compromises and wouldn't pass a bill of this magnitude without Bi-partisanhip. Reagan would have had Demorats and republicans shaking hands and the country rejoicing and coming together. Obama has made this country the most divided since the civil war. Whoever you want to blame for that you can blame But
OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT. BRING US TOGETHER AGAIN, BE A LEADER.
Obama has been trying to bring us together since day one. The GOP has rejected him and fucked him from day one. He kept Bush appointtes when he didn't have to. He appointed hardcore GOP members to his cabinet such as Judd Greg in an effort to try and create a truly balanced cabinet, then Greg said "no thanks."
Did Bush appoint any Dems in his cabinet? No.
The truth is, Obama has been desperately trying to reach out to The GOP and they have been stabbing him in the back every chance the get.
It took obama a year to sit down with republicans and talk about healthcare. the dems had back door meetings for a year and didn't involve republicans because they had a 60 vote majority for A YEAR. the reason it took so long for healthcare isn't because of republicans its BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATS. Dems are the ones he had to bribe. why didnt obama pass the bill when he had a 60 vote majority?
@bmyze316 Give me a break. Bush polarized us beyond repair. President Obama has done everything he could to bring us back together. The attacks on the President started as far back as the campaign. Shame on the the GOP. Let's hear some intellectual discsussion, like what used to come from William F. Buckley, et al. Now, journalists with an obnoxious tone, paid by advertising dollars are the defacto leaders of the party of "I, me, mine". GOP decided to run this alone, not the President.
@bmyze316@bmyze316 Give me a break. Bush polarized us beyond repair. President Obama has done everything he could to bring us back together. The attacks on the President started as far back as the campaign. Shame on the GOP. Let's hear some intellectual discsussion, like what used to come from William F. Buckley, et al. Now, journalists with an obnoxious tone, paid by advertising dollars are the defacto leaders of the party of "I, me, mine". GOP decided to run this alone, not the President.
@bmyze316 - Republicans publicly boast that they won't let Obama accomplish anything, so they can retake power.
So your post on here is just backwards shilling, outright lying, and dishonest ass fuckery.
You are a despicable human being for suggesting Obama isn't trying, when the Reps are clearly working their asses off to make sure there is no unity in this country.
They think "unity" of their voting block will translate into unity of the voters, but everyone knows better. Except shills. You
You expect them to vote for a bill they don't agree with? you expect them to vote for a bill that does not have the support of the majority of americans?
you do know that dems voted against the bill too right?
and you do know that, that means the bill had BI-PARTISAN opposition RIGHT?
Tell me why the bill didn't pass when the dems had a 60 vote majority.
@bmyze316 - Fact is the bill passed. And that number, 1 in the Win column, is the only number that matters.
Let's not forget that Bush boasted of vetoing NOTHING, just rubber stamped everything the Republican majority sent to his desk - until he had the chance to take a stand for Medieval principles and anti-science and logged his first veto on Stem Cell Research.
See that? I didn't go "Bush Lied". Just pointed out what a backwards inbred hillfuck Bush was.
as I suspected you haven't addressed any of the points I have made ALL OF WHICH are VERY relevant to this discussion.
I am not a fan of Bush. I am against everything that goes against our constitution and that includes Iraq, and also this healthcare bill. I criticize Bush and Obama, Dem and republican EQUALLY.
You on the other hand are CLEARLY blinded by your liberal views and lack the ability to analyze any of these issues with an open and NON-Partisan thought process.
The irony is that democracy is a scourge. Majority rule is absurd, violent, dangerous, immoral and fundamentally stupid. Just like every other sort of rulership.
newperve 1 month ago
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with Fiore's videos, but I enjoy watching them. He has an interesting way of getting the point across.
sladikk 3 months ago
Yeah, WWI ended with a simple majority, then came the depression, and Hitler rose to power declaring a rematch. A simple majority will never suffice. All or nothing, otherwise the other side will just bitch on forever.
Germany was still in France at the end of WWI, that's why they should have beat them back to Berlin then, to officially win.
KCPStudios 3 months ago
Well that's dumb.
If you have an issue where opinions split by a fraction of a percent, any choice you make will be undemocratic.
Granted that's a problem with democracy in general, in that is - in fact - mob rule. The only meaningful form of "democracy" is something they had in original America or contemporary middle-east, where people eventually find a compromise between wildly different opinions that satisfy not 51%, but 100% of the people.
SexyMelon 4 months ago
If insurance company greed is driving up health ins. costs and making them skimp on benefits, then why don't we see the same condition with car or homeowner's insurance? What factor makes health ins. so expensive? GOVERNMENT.
leatherneck2044 5 months ago in playlist Health Care Reform
Do you have amnesia or do you not really know that it was the Democrat party who intituted the requirement of a super mayority when they had control of Congress, under GW Bush? Check your facts before you put out something this foolish!
oma51511 6 months ago
@oma51511 prove it
melskilove 4 months ago
Such a nonsense,the majority bullying, robbing and coercing the minority. In 100 years from now this will look barbaric beyond imagination. Luckily in science, truth is not found by majority consensus. Truth is just truth, found by clear principles. Gang rape by 51% or 60%, o brother. That some people really expect some good to come from the barrel of the gun of a politicians. All about to go bankrupt in a puff of liberal smoke, leaving a crater of debt.
modelmark 6 months ago 2
We are a Republic. not a democracy. But to say modern-day democrats and republicans would represent either is... ironic. Because they actually dont, its just a bucket full of neocons and neocrats bent on the future of the american Empire
MausTanker 6 months ago
These videos are ridiculous. "Majority Rules" leaves no interest in the minorities hands. If a person diagrees, oh well, big deal, who gives a fuck because america is a big popularity contest. Because these people disagree with me, I have the right to use my guns on them however I see fit. Look up Anarcho Capitalism, and youtube Stefbot, he's a good source of info on the subject. The government doesn't care about you, and the fact you let guns run a popularity contest is just...dumb.
rg37 6 months ago
You are brilliant! Very crisp videos. Engaging and well defined. I look forward to following your work.
drhancock23 7 months ago
this vid is even more funny now that the other side is trying to get healthcare reform that is just as bad
TheAmazeingAnarchist 9 months ago
Fifty-One Precent Rules!
darklighter131 11 months ago
Personally i think we need to strip the fed down to the bare minimal. Let the states pick up the services if its right for them. Each state is different and has different needs. Give power to states. That way people can shut up and move to what suits them best.
GodsSpartan611 11 months ago
@GodsSpartan611
I totally agree, who needs a "United" States of America. Lets just have 50 separate countries with their own set of laws. "United we Stand"... pfft... state rights should supersede all. The laws of each individual state should take precedence. If you want to travel from state to state, be prepared to have a visa and insurance. Who cares if their needs to be any continuity between states in order for us to function as a viable society. Each state should set its own laws.
trelane227 10 months ago
@trelane227 It is only because of federacy that the USA actually matters in the world politics.
ffiinnrroodd 7 months ago
@trelane227 The Fed exsist for one reason. To keep the states in check. Not to tell them what to do. No state in this country can go against our constitution when making law.
GodsSpartan611 6 months ago
These are the same people who can not balance a budget and also want to tax and spend. How about doing what every other family and small business is doing, cut waste, redundant spending and reforming entitlements.
dok4kidz 11 months ago
Now a days, when this bill was passed the polls were out of Democrats favor. Get your facts straight
GerardWay4President 1 year ago
You do realize that the Health Care Bill was rendered unconstitutional by a federal judge. After it was passed Obama and the 111th congress was held in contempt of court and they can all be thrown in jail.
MuskratandRatman 1 year ago
im sorry. but when talking about the future of my country i DO so like it when the majority decide that something is good and not just 1 more person then the position! do you know how hard this stuff is to repeal? almost impossible. so in 2 years when 75% decide that they don't like it. it will be already to late. sometimes winning by 1 % isn't enough. we NEED a president every 4 years. so someone HAS to win. we have gone without obama care for a long time. we can survive a few more years.
gibblets17 1 year ago
I heard this bill allows for Obama to rape and kill my grandma. I also heard that Obama is a terrorist. I also heard that Obama wasn't even born in America. I also heard that Obama is a Nazi/Communist. I use to think that Nazi's and Communists were different things but now I know the truth they are who the looney left liberals are. Every Democrat reads Mein Kamph and The Communist Manifesto as if they are the bible. Conservatives know how to solve problems not create them.
MrButtbanger 1 year ago
@MrButtbanger someone just learned what sarcasm is! hooray for you! you probably also learned stereotyping at the same time seeing as your doing that to!!!
gibblets17 1 year ago
Fiore should read the constitution and the bill of rights, as well as understand the intent of our founders. Our constitution is NOT based on majority rules. The intent was protect the rights of the minority, not inflict the will of 50+1.
Assholes like this need to leave this country.
666sigma 1 year ago
@666sigma suck my balls
mrsockhandy 10 months ago
@mrsockhandy
I would if you had any. Now, get the fuck out, you lazy, freeloadin' piece of shit. Move to Cuba where you will feel at home.
666sigma 10 months ago
@666sigma *please* suck my balls
mrsockhandy 10 months ago
We're a Republic 1st. Not Democracy. Thank the gods.
CelticKraut 1 year ago 13
@CelticKraut USA became a 'democratic republic', slowly becoming a democracy since 1900. :P
Denon333dash888 1 year ago
@Denon333dash888 Yes, this is the sad truth.
CelticKraut 1 year ago
@CelticKraut *nods*
Denon333dash888 1 year ago
@CelticKraut
Being a republic doesn't mean shit without democracy.
SaturnEternity 1 year ago
@CelticKraut "We're a Republic 1st. Not Democracy. "
We're both.
One does not exclude the other.
booley 1 year ago
@booley The key word was first.
CelticKraut 1 year ago
@CelticKraut except we are both first.
It's not if we are democracy or not or what else we are, it's what KIND of democracy we are.
booley 1 year ago
@CelticKraut being a republic still implies being a democracy. or else you would be ruled by a despot.
fenix144 1 year ago
@CelticKraut Kind of amazing you got 6 thumbs up. shows how much peoples know.
fenix144 1 year ago
@CelticKraut No, we are a democratic Republic, we are not just a Republic.
karz12 1 year ago
@karz12 I never said we weren't a democratic republic.
CelticKraut 1 year ago
@CelticKraut ... Republic means, "without a king." Democracy means, "of the People." You won't get that when watching Fox Noise.
larmar6058 11 months ago 3
@larmar6058 yeah, and constitutional republic means "ruled by the constitution", something of which I deeply doubt you know anything of. Now, guess what form of government the United States possesses.
ReachDeep1 10 months ago
@CelticKraut A republic is a form of democracy.
uniteordie1 11 months ago
@CelticKraut Lol. We're a democratic republic, just like North Korea thinks it is.
PolitcalIslam 9 months ago
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@CelticKraut Perhaps you can explain the difference between the two??
1dschamp 7 months ago
@CelticKraut Representative Democracy is what people mean when we say we're a democracy
BlazeCentaur 7 months ago
@BlazeCentaur I didn't say anything about representative, I said republic, rule of law. Maybe this can clarify a bit: /watch?v=AVsjZBy7hww
CelticKraut 7 months ago
I have a more powerful rule! Join or don't. I don't care. xD
Bidmartinlo 1 year ago
I wonder when the majority in history has ever been right... that old majority was in the majority during the crusades and the inquisitions. . .
allgoraro 1 year ago
Liberals are so wrong about just about everything it's almost funny
dodgerboy86 1 year ago
@dodgerboy86 lmao riiiiiiiight...
raventakayama 1 year ago
The voice sounds like Adam West in Family Guy.
thatsmyrail 1 year ago
This vid sucks, why because rigged politics suck. It ain't about voting and majorities it's about the agenda of the richest 1% (The corporate financier class). You vote, they fuck, you loose. It's the name of the game and we keep playing it. If you want to change the system... you gotta make a bigger statement than continuing to participate in it. Don't vote, there ain't no hope. Instead vote to not: shop, watch the corporate media, or join the military. Elect to invest in decentralized energy.
elbowbiter1 1 year ago
Why don't DEMS use this video as one of their campaign ads this fall!? It encapsules quite well all the Rethug obstruction insanity!
marcostar57 1 year ago
Do you see the problem of 51% ruling 49%? That's 153 million ruling with their will over 147 million.
FactualActual 1 year ago
@FactualActual Majority rules... That's democracy and all... Its been that way since the constitution's birth date...Don't see why its much of a problem now.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Did you ever actually read the Constitution? You do understand that we are not and never have been a Democracy, right?
You also understand that the reason the y"Deemed" it passes was not because of Republicans, they didn't have enough votes on their own side in spite of having a super majority. When your insurance goes up 35% like ours just did so that people that were already getting free healthcare, get government controlled free healthcare, then tell me how great this was.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 I'm confused... I want universal healthcare from the government.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Why would you want to destroy the best healthcare in the world? Do you have any clue how stoneage medicine will go all over the world? Do you realize 95% of medical reseach is either funded or paid for by the US market? That all goes away when government takes over and we go to a messed up system like Canada or the UK. Then the government decides if its economical to keep you alive. Why would anyone want that>
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC Most research is privately funded and requires grants. Also any funding in research won't fall under the sign of universal healthcare. True universal healthcare allows everyone to go and seek treatment without the possibility for decline. It doesn't affect doctor's creativity, where they can work, or research. It only affects the insurance companies. We do not have the best healthcare system in the world. Our quality of healthcare is superior but our system causes us to be ranked at 37
raventakayama 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 They're notorious drinkers, and fatting dairy products is part of their culture and one of the things tourists go to experience. They have the same transportation as us and live just as sedentary as we do. But they are ranked #1 with inferior healthcare, but a superior healthcare system. I wonder why that is.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Its real simple, its the reporting method. For example Cuba reports a lower infant mortality rate then the US. What they don't report though is babies with gestation less then 30 weeks where the US reports all of them even as early as 20 weeks. Obviously 30 weekers have a much better survivabilty rate then do 20 weekers. But since they don't count them it looks like more babies die here when quite the contrary is true.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMP organizations and the WHO. Which is policed due to their fight on human rights violations, which is something I research while on my model UN team. The US media feeds us plenty of propaganda, look for international news its gives you a totally different perspective. Socialized medicine works, the rich from other countries come here because we have a higher quality of healthcare, but even with that our healthcare system is so messed up we're ranked in the low 30s in healthcare world wide.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama The WHO is a leftist organization as is ALL UN agencies are. In case you hadn't noticed, virtually ALL UN members are to the left of us. The UN just apointed Iraq to the council on womans rights. A country where you can legally behead your wife if she dishonors you. Typical UN. Oh and I really question your reseach since I mentioned that I read UK papers and you obviously missed that. People die everyday in Socialized healthcare because because of bureaucracy and cost.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 And about the women's rights... tell me, who's better to lead a drug task force the street smart detective or the desk jockey? Jesus once stayed with thieves and prostitutes, its a symbolic story of relating. And who better to relate to women's rights issues than a country with poor rights for humans in general? Or maybe we should appoint the US since we only beat our wives under the cover of dark and pretend to be better than others. Gotta keep up appearances huh?
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Wow, what a hypocrite you are. So let me get this straight, because we have some deranged people (probably you) that beat their wives, that justifies a country that stones woment, beheads women and treats them like property. You example sucks! Its more like putting pedophiles in charge of nursery schools. You a sick person and should seek professional help!
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 Why do cons automatically think you're justifying an evil act when you point out the evil that this country or members of this country does in comparison. I'm not married by the way. And it would only be like putting pedophiles in charge of nursery schools if the person who is actually in charge is a wife beater and condoms the activity. I'll tell you what though, you can put a pedophile in charge of criminally analyzing another pedophile I bet that would work fine.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Sighting facts from the WHO about the US is like asking Iraq about womans rights. But I'm sure you'll defend their choice there as well.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA Facts are facts, you wish to disagree find the proof. There's plenty of nonpartisan organizations providing that proof, but they're mostly agreeing with the UN. For a guy with a Ph little d you sure came with a lame defense.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama First of all you need to learn what a fact is. Hitler Mao Stalin offered plenty of what they called facts. It didn't make it so. The Soviet Union had facts the average person it the US lived in poverty. Funny when people have to attest to being nonpartisan, they usually are. For a 24 yr old edjumacated genius, you sure don't know what a fact is.
Oh and thanks for noticing my bad typing, Since you're going to be asocial worker, want a real job? You can be my spell chequer.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 It's finally hit home you guys and not you're rallying like its the civil rights movement all over again lol. Talking about selfish intent. And facts are facts, interpretation is a delusion, and no person in their right mind would get facts from one source. And social worker huh? LOL I'm already making more than half of the Americans my age. I work as a researcher only second to my former professor and head researcher. Considering I'll have my masters in biotech by may lol...
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama @raventakayama So you are a social worker. Sucking on state money. So I'm paaying your salary little boy. It's funny that the liberals are always the ones that act like childre. They lie, cheat, steal and have no real sense of morality. BTW, in case you haven't noticed and obviously you're not smart enough to, we are the majority.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 lol wow with the insults, I must have struck a nerve or something lol. Funny how you people forget that it was conservatives who SUCKED the money out of this economy and simply ignored it for years. But since its the other team in office I guess its as good a time as any to start complaining. And last I checked the masses were ignorant so I'm not sure that we're the majority thing is something worth claiming. Unless you're talking about the current election and again ur mistaken.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Sorry, you didn't strike a nerve. I was laughing the whole time. You take yourself far too serious. You're not as smart as you think as think you are. It wasn't conservatives that who "sucked" the money out of the economy, it was progressive RINOs. After the Reagan presidency (when you were still in diapers) RINOs took over the RNC. You see you have no clue.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 You lie better than Palin my friend, You for president 2012 lol. You're starting to sound like a teabagged con. Which is much worse than a regular con at least normal cons know they're crooks. You people on the other hand refuse to believe the corruption flowing through you veins, and hide behind extremely twisted American history, and half true American values.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Oh, so you are a nutbag Liartarian. So you're one of those tin-foil hat nut jobs. I'll bet you thin 911 was an inside job, aliens in area 51, Pearl Harbor was an inside job, and all the other wacko theories. In all fairness, I got into the Liartarian Party for a short time when I was younger than you. But I quickly grew out of it. I sure you will too.
BTW Ron Paul didn't win in NH....
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA Next Americans must have thought he had a magic wand or something because 21 months to fix 8 years of Bush economics 101 is hardly fair. At least give the man half the time it took to fuck things up SERIOUSLY. But conservative media jumped on Obama before the 1st bit of legislation was even talked about. On top of all that you really know Americans are stupid if they plan to bring back the party who got us here in the 1st place lmao.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 Its just say no politics and you know it. Obama could find Loki's staff and make everyone's dreams come true and the reps would still be against it (And Loki's staff doesn't exist ^_^). The people who benefited from rep control during the 1st half of that amBUSH were the wealthy and upper middle class. Funny considering how they don't even begin to make up the majority of America's population. I really want conservative controlled gov so you'd see their plan is the same as Obama's.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@TAM Lets not forget that the Republicans have yet to come up with an economic plan. How can you have bipartisanship when one party is throwing out ideas and the others just saying no? Seriously even when reps are pressured during interviews to reveal some kind of economic plan they dodge like the question's a fireball. You know the republican plan for healthcare was to table the topic. That sounds like the same thing that happened during the Clinton era and it took 14 yrs to get the topic back.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama OK, bright boy, explain to me first of all what Conservative "SUCKED" the money out of the economy.
By Majority I mean the people that slaughtered the Democrats last Tuesday. I grant you some of them were stupid enough to believe the liar-in-chief when he said that he'd bring people together and govern as a centrist. Of course as always the Democrats lied. It's the only they ever get elected is by lying and taking advantage of the young and dumb, like you.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 Its funny how you say they slaughtered the dems. Fact is Americans the vast majority at least make up the bottom of the intellectual totem pole. And many more Americans are more emotional than commonsense oriented. Obama ran with healthcare at the forefront of his campaign. That was his topic and he immediately went forward with it. NOW the news media paints him as being out of touch, but if he had neglected his platform they would have painted him as being a liar... lose-lose.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama "the vast majority at least make up the bottom of the intellectual totem pole" Those are called Liberals.
A Few Obama Quotes; "Open debate on CSPAN" "I'll bring both parties together" I'll make our business the most transparent..." "As President I'll make it impossible to slip pork barrel projects..."' When I'm president laws will be made in the open, no back room deals.." "When a bill ends up on my desk, you the public will have 5 days to look it over on line so you know whats.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA Saying stop spending won't help a soul. And you know that the reps are in a just say no attitude. The healthcare bill was modeled to address the republican agenda on healthcare, which was a show of bipartisanship. The way the reps have stalled government entirely should be addressed, but again Americans aren't smart enough to leave a snake well enough alone. And if you think libs are at the bottom of that pole you haven't visited conservative GA and tried to carry on a conversation.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama You really believe the Republicans stopped anything when the Dems had a super majority? Please turn on some braincells! The healthcare bill barely passed because it was a horrible bill. Did you read it? I did! Its rubbish! Its full of double talk, loop holes, regulations, contradictions, and taxes. And it was not modeled to meet the Republicans agenda. Please stay off the cool-aid. Just because they added a couple of Rep suggestion which they countermanded later means nothing.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA The reps did stop it because Obama was clearly trying to keep his pledge to gain and maintain bipartisanship. Liberals have stated plenty of times that they wanted the dems to just push the legislation down the reps throats, but no that was halted for quite a while due to the urge for bipartisanship. The reps simply took that opportunity to stall as long as possible. Don't play dumb and don't act like the Obama admin weren't reaching out in the initial steps of the bill.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama You're totally braindead! He couldn't get the votes without dirty dealing with his own party. Now we all get to pay higher premiums, higher taxes get less benefits, have more government regulations (already taking effect with drugs getting cut from insurance company list because the Obama admin is having FDA unrecomend them) and for what? So that people that were getting free healthcare can get free healthcare.
It's the most moronic thing I've ever heard in my life.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA Its hard for Obama to keep those promises. I mean no one said the republicans would refuse to cooperate 100%. He could have done what Bush did and started a propaganda campaign that sparked the conservative media to question dem's love for America. He could have applied negative pressure to get what he wanted, but no! He tried to talk it out with them. Reps made it clear that they wanted to table the topic. You're blaming the wrong party for that outcome, its your offensive line blocking.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Wow, trolling on many of these propaganda videos by markfiore I see. Bush NEVER started a propaganda campaign, dipshit. I listened to an interview of him today and he never would have lowered himself to do such a thing. You leftwingnuts are crazy ass liars, and you hope the people will be fooled by your twisting of history, but it won't work.
Darkrift777 1 year ago
@Darkrift I'm sorry I don't troll I leave a message and ignorant people get pissed off at the truth. No there was a clear propaganda campaign. Do you know how many times American officials were called un-American by not supporting the war. The campaign went as far as to belittle France for not supporting the US, and the whole freedom fries thing was a clear result of such propaganda. You know nothing of the political world or the world period lol. Get outta here.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama "Truth"? Only ignorant people like yourself actually think their opinion is to be considered by others as "truth". The Bush administration NEVER ran a propaganda campaign of any kind. If they HAD run such a "propaganda" campaign of actually correcting the bias of reporting by the liberal media, then ignorant people like you wouldn't be so ill-informed today.
Darkrift777 1 year ago
@raventakayama The Republicans refused to cooperate after he made it clear tha tit was his way period. Remember "I won, you lost; there are consequeses to elections" There was no excuse for him breaking those promises. He never intended to keep them, and if you think otherwise you're a fool. Whey did the stimulus get signed without being posted like he promised? Because if tax payers read it they would have been calling the Congressmen and Senators and screaming. I blamed the right party!
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA He never intended to keep those promises? Then why did his admin wait so long to pass healthcare? Even with the two dem hold outs they still had the simple majority. Why play the game and wait for someone else's input for SO LONG. I mean you even said they could have passed it right away. Why wait? Why blow the reps off and do things the dem's way after such a long period of time? Seems to me like they wanted their friendly neighborhood republicans' opinion, outside of TABLE IT.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama They waited because the ycouldn't get the votes, don't you remember? There weren't enough Dem willing to vote for that piece of garbage. And it wasn't 2 holdout, it was 38 early on. They didnt even have a simple majority until they started doing backroom deals (another broken promise)
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 We'll see if I qualify for social worker. You know we're not all lucky enough to find an education on the back of a matchbook like you and your idol god Bush. Some of us had to come from nothing to be something, and instead of acting like elitist we're actually trying to give back to the community. And don't speak on the bs you think you've done cons are only good for helping themselves.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama You're a funny little boy.You know nothing and like to talk big, I've given more to my community then you'll ever dream of. Go back to you're little social worker job, go home tonight, put your UnderRoos on tonight and cry while you god and master looses his teeth and your Idols Reed and Pelosi get sent home for good.
Oh, and don't worry, I'm sure you'll meet the right guy and get married.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA Look at any of my old posts from other vids. You'll see that I want tea party backed candidates to win, so everyone would see how much "change" actually happens. You're not to bright if you think more of what got us here is going to fix our situation. You're also dumb if you think special interests from BOTH sides aren't placed on a higher priority than you're personal agenda. You cons and libs are like fan boys only difference here is the fact that libs possess buckets more commonsense.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama You sound like one of those nutbag libertarians. Libertarians are the most worthless creatures on the planet. They never accomplish anything but the bitch like a herd of gay hair dressers. They believe in every nutbag conspiracy theory while hiding under their tin-foil hats in their tin-foil linbed rooms eating Cheetos and jerking off to old Ron Paul videos.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA Oh and we should also listen to economic strategist who have said that the only way to get out of this mess is to provide the necessary funds to jump start consumer spending. Also lets not forget that the bank bailouts kept thousands of people from rushing to closing banks and withdrawing all of their money, which is exactly what happened in the great depression. Oh and the lack of government caused bank big spending so more government in that situation is better. And who's Ron Paul? lol
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama You must have ADD. I asked what caused the current crisis. I guess tha tgreat edjamacation you have just made you too smart to understand a simple question.
If you had even an tiny understanding of economics the nyou would understand that the Republicans have been giving the right answer all along. CUT SPENDING. Our governemnt spends far too much and that is what is killing our economy. Nothing else, every time governemnt gets involved with an industry things go bad.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 No my friend if you cut spending it doesn't help the middle class. The reps are saying cut spending, but they know just as well as the dems that those spending cuts couldn't have come from the bailouts. The bailouts no matter how stupid it may have seemed were needed and the reps would have done the SAME EXACT THING. That's what most Americans don't understand. In the great depression it took a war to get us out of it. There was no sign of economic recovery for 10+ years...
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama You've been brainwashed! We didn't come out of the great depression BECAUSE of the government. The New Deal prolonged the Great Depression. Why do you think it lasted more then 10 years here and 18 months in the rest of the world? The bailouts did more damage then good. It gave the banks the ability to foreclose on homes and sit on them instead of having to deal with the market. There are whole neighborhoods in Miami the banks own and aren't selling because they don't have to.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 No dummy I said we came out of the depression because of a WAR. Not the government, wtf are you talking about? Grade school kids know the link between the great depressions fall and WWII
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama So you agree that the Great Depression was only prolonged by the New Deal? Good, that would be the first correct thing you said. So now you're backing Obama that is doing the same moronic things FDR did that made the Great Depression last ten years.
Boy, that's smart! You're a genius!
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 Think about it, he ran on healthcare. The reps wanted to table it. They'd be making him into a liar. The media would be saying, "HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RUN ON HEALTHCARE AND THEN ALLOW THE REPS TO TABLE THE TOPIC WHEN YOUR PARTY HAS THE MAJORITY?" Seriously, the reps were looking for instant political sabotage from the start. If you can't see that then you're the brainwashed one my friend.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama He promised to work with the Rep, then when they offered their idea and objected to items, he said "You lost, I won". Then he put forward a bill he never even read, neither did the people tha tvoted for it, but they called the people that did read it and didn't like what they read liars. So you can't say sabotage, he never intended to give any consideration to Rep. Did he post it on line like he promised? NO! Did he hold the debates on CSPAN like he promised? NO! Who's brainwashed
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@raventakayama Now, I'm an outsider, so I've not seen much of USA. However, I do know that it seems to have not changed in policies, especially wars. In fact, initiation of another war is already in the Middle East. And the tax cuts he'd do, though all the cuts he did was to keep the Bush tax cuts. The only thing he did manage to get in was what you mentioned.
Denon333dash888 1 year ago
@Denon333 Its political pressure and the downside of a two party system. He made promising assuming that the republicans would at least attempt to meet him on the issues or even debate the issues. However, much of what we've seen so far is the republicans' refusal to even consider a democratic approved policy and the democrats are to nice too and down right weak to properly contend with the republicans. That's the reality of our failing system, but its not like Obama hasn't tried either way.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama ok so republicans decide they don't want government to touch health care. obama says ill give you this if you let me touch health care and they say no. he then says ill give you this if you let me touch health care. they say no. you call it railroading. i call it sticking to their guns. oh and obama got it passed anyways. so in a few years when Republicans who will be in power decide to repeal the new health care bill you wont bitch when democrats try to block it without debate?
gibblets17 1 year ago
@gibblets It wasn't a give and gain situation. They refused to debate. They did not want anything to do with healthcare reform no matter how it would be reformed. They had no plan for healthcare and weren't willing to listen to any other plans. Healthcare is an issue that needs to be addressed. You can't simply ignore it, well you can but you'd be neglecting millions of Americans. And if reps repeal healthcare it would add billions to the debt so they'd be contradicting themselves as usual.
raventakayama 1 year ago 17
@raventakayama Democrats were the ones who originally refused to compromise. Besides, although I agree that Health Care for everyone would be nice but it is simply impossible. The money is not there! "neglecting Americans" You tell me the name of one hospital who wouldn't treat a severly injured patient despite insurance? Where exactly in the constitution does it say that all Americans were entitled to free stuff? No where because the American dream is to work for everything you have!
GerardWay4President 1 year ago
@GerardWay4President lol the money's there just ask the rich 1%... If the government properly utilized available funds....blah blah you know the rest. This system's screwed up and the top is trying to use the bottom to fix it... As usual.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@TAMPA Plus the government doesn't decide if its economic to keep you alive. Does the government decide if its economic to send police officers to our emergencies? No, and the police force of the US is socialized, which is a fancy way of saying taxes pays their salaries. Now the ones deciding whether its economic to keep you alive are the insurance companies. Just think about it, France is #1 in health with slightly inferior healthcare, but a great healthcare system. They eat as much as we do...
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Actually police would not fit the description of Socialism at all. They are state employees, you really need to learn more about socialism. Also, you are incorrect about the government in socialized medicine not deciding your fate based on cost. If you follow UK news, there are stories in there daily about people being left to die because of cost of treatment. Don't kid yourself, that doesn't happen here. I could list tons of cases to support both of these facts.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 Actually no our taxes pay the salaries of police and other public servants. It doesn't matter if its state or fed, they aren't providing a marketable service that we have to pay for out of pocket upon receiving that service. And not only have I read plenty on the medical systems in western Europe, I've studied it and researched it as part of my curriculum while obtaining my masters in public health. And I also know where the statistics come from even the stats provided by nonprofit
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Duh! Did you just figure that out? We also pay for roads, Government buildings, bridges etc.. which are always Govt. employees. That doesn't mean it's Scoialism. Congratulations. You got some book smarts. You're 24! You're all grown up now! BTW, you're going to learn more in the next 5 years then you've learned your whole life. You studied this for what 6 months, a year? I'vebeen studying it since you wore diapers. A Masters in public health huh? OOHHH! Is that betterthen my Phd?
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPA Funny how people with PhDs never use an uppercase D lol. I'm working on that, I'll have it before I'm 26 more than likely, and obviously your doctorate if you even have one isn't in this field, because you talking like a conservative not a knowledgeable individual. WHO a leftist organization? Ok I guess Mercer University, and Morehouse School of Medicine are leftist as well lol. Everyone who doesn't agree with you are leftist huh? Because those schools and many more disagree with you.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@raventakayama Funny how 24 year olds with a degree thin they know everything. I'm a physicist, engineer and a business owner. You're a narcissist child with a leftist education. You assumption that conservatives are not knowledgeable show what a common ignorant educated dolt with a total absence of common sense and even less intelligence. Bring educated doesn't make you intelligent. Look at our president, can't give a five minute speech without a teleprompter.
TAMPADOC64 1 year ago
@TAMPADOC64 Cons aren't knowledgeable of the truth. Seriously have you seen a tea party rally. And I'm no lib, but cons get on my bad side because they have a child wit as well as a child's personality. I've recently watched cons get treated like minorities and complain like school children. I find the recent conservative plight rather amusing and it is rooted in ignorance. Ignorance in the fact that the things their pissed off about we've (mods) been pissed off about for years.... BUT...
raventakayama 1 year ago
Ah! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Awesome!
JP4528 1 year ago
You only have the rights the big federal government affords you. The majority is against civil rights for sexual rebells who choose to infuriate society with their sexual nonconformity. You will assimilate or be criminalized.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
The najority has not voted to extend any civil rights to homosexuals. Even Congress requures a majority. The majority rules. This is not a civil rights issue. It is force the state to sanction sexual amorality. Why can't mormans have many wives? Why can't pedophiles marry their little daughters?
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
We have a right to segregate. Freedom of Association is part of the First Amendment.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
The Constitution is all that matters. A living document is meaningless and just leads to politicizing justice further. The law means what I say it means as a judge? No.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
Rights? What rights? There is no fundamental right to sodomy in the Constitution. The Supreme Court cannot force the states to recognize marriages at all. There is no right to marriage in the Constitution either. That decision was judicial activism.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
I think Americans are a little too concerned with their Constitution. What make's you so sure that the Constitution is a good foundation for making moral policies? The US is one of the world strongest arguments against democracy, being a nation shock full of plain and pure idiots.
Pomme843 1 year ago
Minority never rules. For a California judge to disenfranchise 7 million voters is unconstitutional. That's judicial activism. Some biased faggot overriding the consent of the governed? This must be overturned. The Prop 8 voters were disenfranchised.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
@ToxicOdiousOne
the ban is unconstitutional... get over it.
Redrum4409 1 year ago
@ToxicOdiousOne Yea. People can't vote the rights of others away.
Flailwielder 1 year ago
@ToxicOdiousOne You see, the thing here is that gay marriage shouldn't be voted on. The judge realized that. it doesn't matter if the entire state of california marches down the capital and demands that "faggots" not have rights. IT'S NOT RIGHT! It's like voting on free speech, or whether or not muslims should be allowed in the country. It's not something that should be voted on. PERIOD.
MCRHP 1 year ago
->ZegatonZ
Seriously, I don't have time for this. Why don't you try watching some Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell. Tell me what you think.
If you have a specific topic you're currently developing an opinion about, let me know. I can probably recommend some videos to help you understand the conservative side.
ThePoliticalMoose 1 year ago
Don't they relize they had a tax relief?? If there so against the government, stay far away from medicare, social security, and don't send the kids to schools that are governement funded.
Ckurbe1 1 year ago
And what happens when 51% want to genocide the other 49%?
America is a republic not a Democracy.
nhstategop 1 year ago
@nhstategop A Democracy and a Republic are too seperate things. Democracy is when you elect on laws or people to represent you to decide on laws. A Republic is when you have a President (doesn't have to be elected) as a head of state, as oppose to a Monarch. We are a Democratic-Republic, so we are actually both.
DrPepperBeatsCoke 1 year ago
@DrPepperBeatsCoke You have just demonstrated a clear misunderstanding of both governmental institutions. Democracy- A system of government by which every member of the citizenry votes on EVERY decision directly; No representatives. original application was within the Greek city states, but even then it was as varied as the christian sects of America. Republic- a system where the population of citizens votes for representatives to make decisions of government.
CaeserAexix 1 year ago
@DrPepperBeatsCoke but you are right about the democratic republic. And the president monarch thing. Alluding to consulships.
CaeserAexix 1 year ago
@nhstategop why won't we just genocide the far right and the far left ideologists? Then without the vocal minorities yelling and screaming at each other stuff might finally get done.
devrobbiz 1 year ago
@devrobbiz but then you're left indecisive morons who don't care. Most of the "moderates" are just simply apathetic douche-baggy white kids who are perfectly content to spend their parents money on cheap beer and room at over priced universities. of course that is a generalization but honestly most moderates are quite useless when it comes to decision making.
CaeserAexix 1 year ago
@CaeserAexix that's a gross generalization :-) I believe most moderates are tierd of extreme politicial talk, they hear 1 of 2 things: "If you don't get this bill you'll die" or "if you get this bill you'll die". It is ridiculous, moderates/common sense/straight talk are dead, if they returned pp would start to participate & listen more. All they see is 2 parties that don't speak to them and only coddle to the extremist. Although maybe pp r just stupid, I mean 40% still think Iraq had WMD's.
devrobbiz 1 year ago
Genius
bkishar 1 year ago
these videos are tha message...
Jexcee 1 year ago
Pure unaltered democracy is horrible. It is bad. A majority should never be allowed to vote away a minorities rights. The smallest minority is the individual.
TELL ME, name oen thing the government has run efficiently?
neoharvester 1 year ago
@neoharvester
@neoharvester
"a majority should never be allowed to vote away minorities rights"
a minority, the rich white male, voted away the rights of other minorities and no so minorities for decades
we can thank the liberals= progressive for stopping that
ZegatonZ 1 year ago
@ZegatonZ
Libertarians are for limiting government so it doesn't have the capability of removing rights. And what rights have been removed? Maybe slavery, but if you want to go back to the civil war we can do so. Segregation has always been against libertarian ideals. ALWAYS.
neoharvester 1 year ago
@neoharvester
neo
i was speaking of the conservatives
ZegatonZ 1 year ago
@ZegatonZ
When I think conservative I like to think of people like Jesse Ventura and Barry Goldwater. Don't agree with all of their views but they lie mostly on the economic conservative socially liberal scale. Social conservatives I cannot wholly agree with, but Tea Parties are economical in nature. Scary DEATH PANELS and ABORTIONS are just superfluous to mention when one is talking about adding debt to a debt ridden nation.
neoharvester 1 year ago
@neoharvester
" name oen thing the government has run efficiently"
so you would rather buy a house built by a contractor not regulated by the government
you would only buy medicine under the same conditions
how about a car, yes you will not buy one that is regulated
how about the carseat for your child? hes/her toys?
your food?
you rather put your money in banks that are not regulated
is that what you are proposing?
ZegatonZ 1 year ago
love this vid.
Supadave7 1 year ago
@Supadave7
"what goes against our constitution ? health care? gay rights? woman's rights?
embryo's rights?
ZegatonZ 1 year ago
A true leader brings a country together. A true leader compromises and wouldn't pass a bill of this magnitude without Bi-partisanhip. Reagan would have had Demorats and republicans shaking hands and the country rejoicing and coming together. Obama has made this country the most divided since the civil war. Whoever you want to blame for that you can blame But
OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT. BRING US TOGETHER AGAIN, BE A LEADER.
bmyze316 1 year ago
Obama has been trying to bring us together since day one. The GOP has rejected him and fucked him from day one. He kept Bush appointtes when he didn't have to. He appointed hardcore GOP members to his cabinet such as Judd Greg in an effort to try and create a truly balanced cabinet, then Greg said "no thanks."
Did Bush appoint any Dems in his cabinet? No.
The truth is, Obama has been desperately trying to reach out to The GOP and they have been stabbing him in the back every chance the get.
jensen1901 1 year ago
It took obama a year to sit down with republicans and talk about healthcare. the dems had back door meetings for a year and didn't involve republicans because they had a 60 vote majority for A YEAR. the reason it took so long for healthcare isn't because of republicans its BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATS. Dems are the ones he had to bribe. why didnt obama pass the bill when he had a 60 vote majority?
Because even dems disagreed with him!!
bmyze316 1 year ago
the GOP opposition had democrat support.
Healthcare had ONLY Dem support.
Who is Bi-Partisan??????????????
by definition the opposition was bi-partisan and the bill was NOT.
bmyze316 1 year ago
@bmyze316 Give me a break. Bush polarized us beyond repair. President Obama has done everything he could to bring us back together. The attacks on the President started as far back as the campaign. Shame on the the GOP. Let's hear some intellectual discsussion, like what used to come from William F. Buckley, et al. Now, journalists with an obnoxious tone, paid by advertising dollars are the defacto leaders of the party of "I, me, mine". GOP decided to run this alone, not the President.
swag77 1 year ago
@swag77
If the GOP ran this alone explain why the bill couldnt pass when the democrats had a 60 vote majority? tell me why? Because the DEMS couldnt agree!!
if the gop ran alone explain the democrats that stood with them??
name a bill of this magnitude with ZERO bi-partisanship
i will be waiting for your answers.........
bmyze316 1 year ago
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@bmyze316 @bmyze316 Give me a break. Bush polarized us beyond repair. President Obama has done everything he could to bring us back together. The attacks on the President started as far back as the campaign. Shame on the GOP. Let's hear some intellectual discsussion, like what used to come from William F. Buckley, et al. Now, journalists with an obnoxious tone, paid by advertising dollars are the defacto leaders of the party of "I, me, mine". GOP decided to run this alone, not the President.
swag77 1 year ago
You are right. Independents see that too.
zookeeper220 1 year ago
@bmyze316 - Republicans publicly boast that they won't let Obama accomplish anything, so they can retake power.
So your post on here is just backwards shilling, outright lying, and dishonest ass fuckery.
You are a despicable human being for suggesting Obama isn't trying, when the Reps are clearly working their asses off to make sure there is no unity in this country.
They think "unity" of their voting block will translate into unity of the voters, but everyone knows better. Except shills. You
kaneweb 1 year ago
@kaneweb
You expect them to vote for a bill they don't agree with? you expect them to vote for a bill that does not have the support of the majority of americans?
you do know that dems voted against the bill too right?
and you do know that, that means the bill had BI-PARTISAN opposition RIGHT?
Tell me why the bill didn't pass when the dems had a 60 vote majority.
I'd like you to address these points.
all repubs and some dems voted against the bill.
bmyze316 1 year ago
@bmyze316 - Many of the ideas in the bill were Republican ideas.
Yet they did not co-operate one iota to reach any compromises on the bill, just stalled, lied, propagandized, and now threaten.
Bob Dole practically invented this bill as an alternative to Hillary Clinton's ideas.
Holding the entire Republican Party hostage to the idea of obstruction for politics sake is not only treason to the country, but bad politics.
And I don't care what non-issues and numerology you want me to address.
kaneweb 1 year ago
@kaneweb
additionally are you aware that obama sai "you cant pass healthcare with a 51 vote majority and still govern"
another lie to chalk up for obama.
and dont reply with bush lied too 2 wrongs dont make a right we arent in elementary school
"he did it too"
LOL
bmyze316 1 year ago
@bmyze316 - Fact is the bill passed. And that number, 1 in the Win column, is the only number that matters.
Let's not forget that Bush boasted of vetoing NOTHING, just rubber stamped everything the Republican majority sent to his desk - until he had the chance to take a stand for Medieval principles and anti-science and logged his first veto on Stem Cell Research.
See that? I didn't go "Bush Lied". Just pointed out what a backwards inbred hillfuck Bush was.
Vetoing science. Purely Republican.
kaneweb 1 year ago
as I suspected you haven't addressed any of the points I have made ALL OF WHICH are VERY relevant to this discussion.
I am not a fan of Bush. I am against everything that goes against our constitution and that includes Iraq, and also this healthcare bill. I criticize Bush and Obama, Dem and republican EQUALLY.
You on the other hand are CLEARLY blinded by your liberal views and lack the ability to analyze any of these issues with an open and NON-Partisan thought process.
you waste my time
bmyze316 1 year ago
@bmyze316 - Since