I love shamanism, it's practice and it's freedom of spirit, however, it is indeed a religion. She states that a "religion has a leader and rules." While this may be true in MOST religions it is NOT what determines what is or is not a religion. Shamans invoke, pray to and pay tribute to higher deities; this is a textbook definition of religious practice. Don't try to water the practice down in order not to scare certain people away. If they don't want to follow this path it's their choice.
I'm sorry.... The journey is not an imaginative experience. These wellment people that teach the journey as an imaginative journey are teaching nothing more than meditation. They most likely have not taken a real journy. I dont say this to be competitive. There is a misconception prevailing. You will know it when you leave your body, it will nit be your imagination. Study astral projection methods with drumming. Once your out... Spirits ( archetypes ) will take over your training. Good luck
Our bodies are like thoughts in the mind but made of the world around us. As our thoughts are tied to the gel, your physical body is tied to reality.
A thought does not create a man, a man does not create a world, why should the world be turned by a thought? Space created the world, man created thought.
We are all lost save a home we make of ourselves, burrowing in time, in our minds, our orbit, and our home is a place we alone should understand but... as man ends a thought so his life ends.
I love this. ♥ I am spiritually touched. There is a different between being spiritual and being religious. Being spiritual does not mean having faith... Being spiritual means being able to connect yourself with the world around you.
What is Spirt what is spiritual world .... when i think of spirt i see opaque image of my self who can not interact with the world... !! is thatz it thatz what spirit is... or it is just what tv shows us.. !
The use of psychedelic drugs is also mandatory for doing the rituals properly... those who claims you don't need, and that there's other techniques are posers....
@geostigma123 lmfao, that's a horrible view of shamanism, Psychadelic drugs are a shortcut for the newcomer, a shaman elder has control over their brain so that they no longer need a substance to remove the brains filters, that block out visions of the spirit world. Different drugs bring different visions and different brains work differently. Your rituals only work for you. You cannot know what works for others.
@InKa4484 And what's wrong about a shortcut? If you're going from A to B... why take the long way. If you're building a house do you want the best tools available, or using your own bare hands. In fact I would not recommend psychedelic drugs for newcomes, they are for the pros
@geostigma123 Absolutlely nothing wrong with psychadelics but they aren't the only way. If you're going from A to B there is no A or B there is only the journey.
Is the upper and middle, and lower world, a referance to plains of the overall Astral Plain? Or is that a overall different topic or different type of shamanism?
I wonder, do Shamans also work with circles when going on vision quests etc.? I'm studying Wicca and l'm wondering whether there are any similarities.
@Romulaan Hello! Yes, Shaman's work also with circles when going on vision quests. There are a lot of similarities between Wicca and Shamanism, as they are both earth based spiritual practices. From the Shamanic Perspective the circle is very significant symbolizing the life cycle, the seasons, the sun, moon, the earth and the directions.
@shamanismcan Hi! Thanks for your answer. l'm thinking of combining wicca and Shamanism for my self. It might sound a bit strange, but l'm really interested in both, so l'm going to... But anyway, again thanks for the info. Really helpt! :)
@Romulaan wicca is derived and a branch of Shamanism... its not the same as shamanism, but you can see similarities with the two because wicca is a newer spirituality branched and inspired partly from shamanism. Personally I am not all crazy into Wicca and I find my passion through Paganism in Druidry (i'm into celtic culture), but I do respect Wicca and Love what it has to teach. It is just as important as any other spirituality and I have many wiccan friends who are very kind and wise :)
Going on my 2nd Shamanism retreat in two weeks - to be alone with only one Shamanism Master - in acres and acres of natural beauty - no electricity - no people - no noise or distractions - stop the world i want to get off - well i'm going to be again and can't wait
All todays religions are bullshit they claim salvation thru submission and mind controll. Shamanism was the faith which existed since the earth was created shamanism introduced man to nature. While religions today seek a salvation from a ruler above the shamanists touched the earth and seeked God from its beautiful soyal. As a Buddhist myself i give my grand salute to all pagan animist faiths and beliefs. Buddha himself seeked imspiration from Shamanism.
@GrandmasterTigerfist Well thats a very strong position on a very nuanced issue. Christianity believes salvation is through TRUSTING Jesus as your Savior and brother and God as your own father. In Christianity, God is on earth and in heaven at worship and in the Eucharist. In Hinduism, salvation or enlightenment (moksha) is by letting go of ego and living for others, not submission to God. Martin Luther, one of the most influential Christians, believed in discovering YOUR OWN way to Christ.
i believe the Mind is not just our personal Mind but a channel that connects all Creations. The thoughts in the Mind do not belong to just one Spirit, your thoughts are mixed in there but many other Spirits influence your thoughts for good or bad without most realizing this. shamans receive help from Spirit friends, insects, animals, creations from other galaxies, Spirits from other dimension, Earth creatures, from all energy. it's all trial and error. PEACE
a shaman to me is an individual who receives help from the Spirit world. it is not a religion because it does not have to be taught, it's everyone birth given right to receive help during this earth experience. 1LOVE
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Shamanism is primitive, but it's still a religion. There is no true spirituality outside religion. The "religion vs spiriuality" thing we see today was created by self-serving "me" generation kids who have no idea what they are talking about.
Ever stop to consider that spirituality has nothing to do with gods or worship? its just another phrase for interacting with the unseen, the immaterial world. Even you can't be so ignorant as to assume that there is nothing we don't percieve. We only live in 3 dimensions out of 12 known dimensions. The astral realm is one that is interacted with through shamanism. There is no god, no worship.
Actually, that's not true. Shamanism is actually a very advanced spiritual practice - to call it "primitive" means you don't understand anything about it.
Religion and Spirituality are two different things and they don't necessarily go together (they usually don't). Spirituality teaches to look within whereas religion teaches you to look outside yourself (god in heaven) for answers/salvation. I've yet to see a religious person who is truly spiritual...
@luigee78 I agree except for that it is primitive - being that it is an ancient practice. I see we could substitute the word primitive with ancient but what ever, Martha did a good job.
I agree that one definition of "primitive" is that it could be ancient, but it's often used nowadays to dismiss something as backwards, unsophisticated, not complex, less than, weak, not as good as..etc. That was the context in which it was used by the person I was responding to. So yes, your defintion is half right, but it doesn't encompass the wide rage of meanings that word has.
Shamanis is very complex and very ancient, but not "primitive" in any of the ways i mentioned.
@luigee78 I know you commented on this about a year ago but I was wondering if it is possible to be a shaman and have a religion too? I find myself very spiritual and yet I have my religion.
You can if you ignore the religious tenants / teachings that condemn the shamanic practices that have opened you up spiritually, but by default that will make you "not religious". I don't know what your religion is, but the standard major world religions contradict with shamanism and in many parts of the world still clash. The more into shamanism one gets into, chances are you'll want less to do with any of the standard major world religions that operate with fear.
@luigee78 i see you know a lot about shamanism. I'd like to ask you a question: I've heard people say that shamanism is actually a lie and you can't connect with spirits, and also that if you do connect with spirits its demons talking to you and laughing at you.
I don't know if this guy is right, but can you give me more information on shamanism and if what i've said above is true or not?
Shamanism is indeed very real and in fact, it's the first and oldest form of spirituality known to man. It developed all over the world and has lasted for ions because it worked and continues to work. Spirits are very real - and yes, one does have to be careful with certain entities, but overall the shaman learns to use the spirits and spirit realms to gain knowledge, wisdom, and spiritual growth.
That guy lied to you or doesn't know what he's talking about himself.
@luigee78 ok thank you for clearing this up for me... but i've heard from other people who practice this that getting high (smoking marijuana) helps you meet your goal to talking to spirits..... is that true?
@cosminso1230 Yes, a lot of the hallucinogenic, entheogenic, psychedelic, mind expanding drugs(call it what you want) are really helpful in to get most out of the shamanic journey. I just sent you two links , so check your E-mail... A good in depth description of what the Amazonian Brew Ayahuasca can help you with... from the Joe Rogan Podcast, funny as hell too
sorry for the late response. I had not checked messages for awhile. To answer your quetion: Yes, some hallucinogenic plants are used by some shamans to achieve altered states - which does help in communicating with spirits. However, that's not the only way. Lots of shamans achieve altered states by using rythmic drumming/music or dancing to achieve the same results. Some mix both plants and music. It varies. But drugs are not the only way...and they aren't recreational.
@luigee78 oh ok i'm starting to understand this, but how come science has proved that you can't talk to spirits? I'm not taking sides, but if i were to pay money to be taught this, i would want to have some results. Also, when you do drugs, you tend to hallucinate. Could that be the "spirits" that they see? Just illusions? i would love to start shamanism, but there's 2 sides to it and i want to know which one is real.
Science hasn't "proved" that you can't talk to spirits. What science states is that since they can't "currently" scientifically prove that sprits don't exist, then they simply can't exisit. That's a very elitest way of thinking - reminds me of the Church during the middle ages. There are many things that Science deemed impossible in the past, but later as knowledge improved they were able to prove. Just because Science can't prove something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
As for Illusions. If the experience/spirits provide you with knowledge and widsom that you didn't have before, tht shows their is an "intelligence" in those experiences. Simple "illusions" can't do that. Can some people be dulisional? Yes. Recreational drug use without guidance/training is not recommended (IMO) for that reason. However, when done right, drugs can help open the doorways to the spirit world and that is indeed very real and not hallucinations.
Also, please remember that using drugs isn't the only way to communicate with spirits. Like I mentioned before, you can also use rythmic music/drumming to attain altered states of mind, which help you access the doorways to the spirits/reals, etc...
@luigee78 i know that it isn't and i would never plan to use drugs for this, but i was curious to see drugs do something useful for once, but i have never tried and never will try drugs.
@cosminso1230 You can see simple hallucinations without the use of drugs. An example would be the many optical illusions people come up with. It is not always easy to trick your mind, but drugs make it easier to be fooled.
A simple example would be rotating dots, when you look at this example you will see a green dot inbetween the pink dots, this is like a spirit to the shaman. The dot is not there. Science can prove the dot is not there, a shaman would consider science a "disturbance" ...
@cosminso1230 disturbance that "upsets" the spirit or something like that.
The mind is weak in other ways but we can figure out things with our sense and by experience, you have to believe everything you see, and not just a single occurence of what we would like to believe.
We are not natural skeptics and if we see a hallucination we may convince ourselves that it was real, for a long time, even if nothing else supports it.
Drugs distort the senses and reality is shadowed by illusion.
@planetofthescums well i've heard that drugs can help you achieve this sense faster and clearer. well, like you said, you're only hallucinating, basically, and what you're seeing/experiencing isn't reality. And also, some people that think they saw a ghost and run wild into the public saying it aren't necessarily crazy, but most of the time they are lol.
@cosminso1230 I tried drugs because people would not shut up about them; I found it to be a particularly simple minded experience. They keep the mind pinned down so more pragmatic explanations for the world outside do not surface. A flickering light bulb for example, you can't see what you're reading, the world becomes unfamiliar, but less fulfilling all at the same time.
People condoning the implementation of this scheme point to things like shamanism to support the "secret" you can be in on.
@cosminso1230 Our minds rely on physical surroundings to function, similar to how random numbers are generated through collision of physical particles.
You can't think your way beyond reality, real mental exercise weeds out interference from the physical world, until we are all left seeing the same picture; until no one can tell one's own truth apart from any other.
There would be nothing but death and life and no hazy lies between them; thought is only a first step that needs to get resolved.
@luigee78 i agree with you. although, i think religions do teach people to go within. jesus was all about that. but people don't realize what he really meant. i mean, jesus is basically a shaman. i think shamanism is the oldest form of what we could call "religion". it got messy when we invented language and started writing books and worshipping suns and things "out there"
Then your not looking very hard. It's true that we see ultimate salvation in being at the Lord's side, but it is stressed again and again that self-assesment and the pursuit of a wholesome lifestyle are necessary for that to happen. At the very least, we must come to recognize our own iniquities, and do all that we can as Christians to conquer them. It is among our ideals that we detach ourselves from worldly things, worldly ideals to acheive this salvation. Is that not spiritual?
No, that is not spiritual. You are allowing "teachings" of an outside source to guide you / scare you into pursuing your "wholesome lifestyle." Also, your "self-assesment" is based on who's guidelines? And outside "Lord" or oftentimes the Priest/Preacher/Pastor, ect. What little spiritual concepts are found in your case, christianity, are voided / contradicted by 98% of everything else. I grew up Christian, so I DO know what I'm talking about even if you don't agree.
@luigee78 Guide/SCARE me? I probably would'nt have to look to far into the history of shamanism to find an individual who's done just that to the people around him, so you can drop that defense right here and now. Since when did oral traditions stop counting as this 'outside' source, anyway? Does recording spiritual or religious findings and insight onto paper offend you somhow?
Anyhow, I'm sorry that my spiritual princibles are so subjective compared to yours. Further more....
@Deathrune456 What contradictions are you specifying? 98% is a tad odd a percentage in my eyes. What spiritual concepts are being voided? Could you please flesh out your conception of Christianity as something that isn't spiritual, because at this point, it STILL doesnt look like you've invested much into it. There's a difference inbetween honest investment and the usual 'my folks were Christian, so there you go'.
@Deathrune456 What contradictions are you specifying? 98% is a tad odd a percentage in my eyes. What spiritual concepts are being voided? Could you please flesh out your conception of Christianity as something that isn't spiritual, because at this point, it STILL doesnt look like you've invested much into it. There's a difference inbetween honest investment and the usual 'my folks were Christian, so there you go'.
You missed the point completely - perhaps on purpose since you have no argument. Spirituality and Religion are two different things which I've already explained a million times. If you don't understand that, then I can't help you. Spiritual teachings can be written down, so your point is mute. My point, and it's a valid one, is that Religion and Spirituality are two different things that don't usually go together. Stop defending Christianity and get your answers from within.
@luigee78 i dont see it seperate from religion, i was studying muslim holy book, ive read in it there are three world, upper(heaven), middle(iraf), and lower(hell), also i ve seen role of music in every religion, in churches, in sufi muslim dances, all religions and spirituality are same but only wise person discover the true meaning behind religion, religion is said in that manner that all people understand
aged 21 i tripped out on acid with some friends in a caravan near a lake in scotland we had pulled in for the night and took the trip..we came up so fast and the doors were playing on the stereo..we turned out the light and went on a journey..the song was "riders on the storm"when the song was done we turned on the light..we had entered the spirit world ..jim morrison had opened the door and was waiting for us to enter he sat with us for a while and told us that everything is one..
although u may think im mocking i assure u i am not.i knew nothing of the doors then but since i learned that that particular song has a shamanic rythm in the back beat ..i am very lucky to have experienced the opening of the spirit door.not many people in our modern society are aware of such a journey..it has gave me a deeper understanding of the world in general and how we must reconnect with nature if we are to survive as god intends and that death is a new begining.
very interesting, I am on a shamanic course and have been one way or another all my life, i feel in my own way, that shamanism is the process of relating to God. before time there was God, and after time there will be God. the shaman connects with all things at once feeling as he or she goes. this is not a religion, nor is it a cult. it is the one truth. there is no leader, no exclusions, no one is or can be left out for any reason. its the acceptance, that way are like it or not all linked.
Very very cool, i've dabbled in other religions. I don't like the idea of praying to a God or Deity. Shamanism seems very personal, i like that there is no Deity or rules. I'm definetly going to research this more.
Yes i am, sorry, i replied on my alternate account. I know why you were confused and i should have rephrased what i said. What i'm saying is i dabbled in a few religions, but i didn't like the idea of praying to a deity. Shamanism seems cool because it's personal, only to the practicioner. I wasn't implying that it was a religion.
Hmm... it's pretty interesting how this played out because since that comment 6 days ago my knowledge on shamanism and perspective have changed. The more I look at it the more it seems like a religion. They do believe in many deities and "did" make more sacrifices than any other religious people I've investigated. There was a history channel special on how the high Mayan priests were shamans. Sorry for this quick change of thought but its probably something you should research before doubting.
Well don't really care about the thumbs down anymore it's just that since you said that you had to accounts and I had the same number of thumbs down it looks like you saw my comment on one account gave a thumb down then came back with another count did the same and then commented. But whatever I don't care anymore. I didn't accuse you of doubting anything, I meant that if it is hard to believe then you should research it for your self. God bless.
Great Cingiskhan and Amir Teymur Shaman by relign. How do you say that Shamanism not relign? Yes you right
religns are fake beliving and Shamanism is true history by SKY GOD and our leaders like Sword of SKY GOD Atilla, Great Cingiskhan, Amir Teymur and Hero of first World War ATATURK!
Evenki and Tungusian is Turkish languges. shamanism have rools,clouse,crown,cam,robay, shoes,pir and many tools,many rituals. Zodiacs is Shamanistic calendar. Shamanism is first relign of the World, which other religns come out from to Shamanism. Shamans not madicine man. They prey for hunting,for weather,for taiga, clean evil eye, shamans before pray in stonehanges which ritual name is "bori" contacting by galaxy to Tengri(scy father), Humay Ana(scy mother) Word of "cosmos" is Shamanistic word
Shamanism, culture-relign of Turanian peoples and first relign of World. Other religns come out from to shamanism. Chagatay and Siberia is original place of Shamanism. Native americans relign is Shamanism and Native Americans is Turanians. Big Turanian family is Turkish peoples. Askenazis was Turkish by blood, shaman by relign. Bulan khagan of Khazar kaganate was Turkish.his take judaism relign from to some safardi to try, half population of Khazar kaganate take judaism also. SHAMAN = SHAH MAN.
Dont worry, i give you more information about Shamanism. Great Cingiskhan and Amir Teymur was by Shaman relign. From Shamanism come out Paganism which is half of Evrope to day belive, because Huns(Hungarians) original relign was Shamanism which is to day central of Evrope. .
I love shamanism, it's practice and it's freedom of spirit, however, it is indeed a religion. She states that a "religion has a leader and rules." While this may be true in MOST religions it is NOT what determines what is or is not a religion. Shamans invoke, pray to and pay tribute to higher deities; this is a textbook definition of religious practice. Don't try to water the practice down in order not to scare certain people away. If they don't want to follow this path it's their choice.
Bigvader 2 weeks ago
Shamanism IS a religion. Your undergraduate students in Religion will tell you that. She's wrong.
Pilgrim1411 2 weeks ago
I love it..... if one wants to know about his or her root..... study shamanism...............
there are many ways of practicing shamanism.... and shamanis evolves with time.... :-)
it's a beautiful way...
niamtxiv 1 month ago
Sitting at school boring mah ass of and watching this -.-
MegaSjokomelk 1 month ago
OH mah gawd... My auntie is in the practice of Shamanism. ;3
JesseJeanie 2 months ago
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@JesseJeanie Explanation on the following:
1/ Witchcraft (Dominating/controlling force) ie Spells, Curses.
2/Divination (Fortune telling realm) ie Palm, Tarot card, Tea reading, Dreams etc 3/ Sorcery (through objects) ie Charms, Amulets, some Rings.
intransigenttruth 2 months ago
Tom Brown Jr. explains Shamanism very simple and that we all have it ...its our birthright!
neighbouroftheforest 3 months ago
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@neighbouroftheforest Explanation on the following:
1/ Witchcraft (Dominating/controlling force) ie Spells, Curses.
2/Divination (Fortune telling realm) ie Palm, Tarot card, Tea reading, Dreams etc 3/ Sorcery (through objects) ie Charms, Amulets, some Rings.
intransigenttruth 2 months ago
I'm sorry.... The journey is not an imaginative experience. These wellment people that teach the journey as an imaginative journey are teaching nothing more than meditation. They most likely have not taken a real journy. I dont say this to be competitive. There is a misconception prevailing. You will know it when you leave your body, it will nit be your imagination. Study astral projection methods with drumming. Once your out... Spirits ( archetypes ) will take over your training. Good luck
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1/ Witchcraft (Dominating/controlling force) ie Spells, Curses.
2/Divination (Fortune telling realm) ie Palm, Tarot card, Tea reading, Dreams etc 3/ Sorcery (through objects) ie Charms, Amulets, some Rings.
intransigenttruth 2 months ago
Our bodies are like thoughts in the mind but made of the world around us. As our thoughts are tied to the gel, your physical body is tied to reality.
A thought does not create a man, a man does not create a world, why should the world be turned by a thought? Space created the world, man created thought.
We are all lost save a home we make of ourselves, burrowing in time, in our minds, our orbit, and our home is a place we alone should understand but... as man ends a thought so his life ends.
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1/ Witchcraft (Dominating/controlling force) ie Spells, Curses.
2/Divination (Fortune telling realm) ie Palm, Tarot card, Tea reading, Dreams etc 3/ Sorcery (through objects) ie Charms, Amulets, some Rings.
intransigenttruth 2 months ago
I love this. ♥ I am spiritually touched. There is a different between being spiritual and being religious. Being spiritual does not mean having faith... Being spiritual means being able to connect yourself with the world around you.
niamtxiv 5 months ago
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only Jesus can save no other god can save
jannerww 6 months ago
What is Spirt what is spiritual world .... when i think of spirt i see opaque image of my self who can not interact with the world... !! is thatz it thatz what spirit is... or it is just what tv shows us.. !
imranbug81 6 months ago
The use of psychedelic drugs is also mandatory for doing the rituals properly... those who claims you don't need, and that there's other techniques are posers....
geostigma123 7 months ago
@geostigma123 lmfao, that's a horrible view of shamanism, Psychadelic drugs are a shortcut for the newcomer, a shaman elder has control over their brain so that they no longer need a substance to remove the brains filters, that block out visions of the spirit world. Different drugs bring different visions and different brains work differently. Your rituals only work for you. You cannot know what works for others.
InKa4484 7 months ago
@InKa4484 And what's wrong about a shortcut? If you're going from A to B... why take the long way. If you're building a house do you want the best tools available, or using your own bare hands. In fact I would not recommend psychedelic drugs for newcomes, they are for the pros
geostigma123 7 months ago
@geostigma123 Absolutlely nothing wrong with psychadelics but they aren't the only way. If you're going from A to B there is no A or B there is only the journey.
InKa4484 7 months ago
@InKa4484 True, they are not the only way, just the best way :P
geostigma123 7 months ago
This is such a shallow description of shamanism really... Search for Terence Mckenna on shamanism material that's got validity
geostigma123 7 months ago
Shamanism is a personal spiritual practice that can be complimentary and incorporated into religion that is also practiced.
shamanismcan 8 months ago
So from what the comments from others I have seen on this page does this mean that you could be a shaman and have a religion per say?
Somespatanwarrior 8 months ago
that guy shakes his head and says 'mhmm"so damn much lol
gunnarnizzler 9 months ago
oldways.com
Apresx 1 year ago
Is the upper and middle, and lower world, a referance to plains of the overall Astral Plain? Or is that a overall different topic or different type of shamanism?
sneakyrogues 1 year ago
reminds me of buddhism
MeijiKendo 1 year ago
Yes, it is a practice on every continent in the world.
niamtxiv 1 year ago
turks were shamanist b4 converted in to islam, we still have shmanist turks living in turkey and eastern asia.
orhun20 1 year ago
I wonder, do Shamans also work with circles when going on vision quests etc.? I'm studying Wicca and l'm wondering whether there are any similarities.
Romulaan 1 year ago
@Romulaan Hello! Yes, Shaman's work also with circles when going on vision quests. There are a lot of similarities between Wicca and Shamanism, as they are both earth based spiritual practices. From the Shamanic Perspective the circle is very significant symbolizing the life cycle, the seasons, the sun, moon, the earth and the directions.
shamanismcan 1 year ago
@shamanismcan Hi! Thanks for your answer. l'm thinking of combining wicca and Shamanism for my self. It might sound a bit strange, but l'm really interested in both, so l'm going to... But anyway, again thanks for the info. Really helpt! :)
Romulaan 1 year ago
@Romulaan wicca is derived and a branch of Shamanism... its not the same as shamanism, but you can see similarities with the two because wicca is a newer spirituality branched and inspired partly from shamanism. Personally I am not all crazy into Wicca and I find my passion through Paganism in Druidry (i'm into celtic culture), but I do respect Wicca and Love what it has to teach. It is just as important as any other spirituality and I have many wiccan friends who are very kind and wise :)
Takiado 1 year ago
@Takiado Wicca was invented in the 40's, not at all akin to shamanism. Wicca is neo-pagan at best.
Robikus 1 year ago
@Romulaan
Have a look at Celtic Shamanism ;)
TeresaMRibeiro 9 months ago
Going on my 2nd Shamanism retreat in two weeks - to be alone with only one Shamanism Master - in acres and acres of natural beauty - no electricity - no people - no noise or distractions - stop the world i want to get off - well i'm going to be again and can't wait
MsAngelsfantasy 1 year ago
she has a nice soft voice!
acerb45666555 1 year ago
All todays religions are bullshit they claim salvation thru submission and mind controll. Shamanism was the faith which existed since the earth was created shamanism introduced man to nature. While religions today seek a salvation from a ruler above the shamanists touched the earth and seeked God from its beautiful soyal. As a Buddhist myself i give my grand salute to all pagan animist faiths and beliefs. Buddha himself seeked imspiration from Shamanism.
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist Well thats a very strong position on a very nuanced issue. Christianity believes salvation is through TRUSTING Jesus as your Savior and brother and God as your own father. In Christianity, God is on earth and in heaven at worship and in the Eucharist. In Hinduism, salvation or enlightenment (moksha) is by letting go of ego and living for others, not submission to God. Martin Luther, one of the most influential Christians, believed in discovering YOUR OWN way to Christ.
Hitononasubi 1 year ago
If you really love shamnism I encourage others to check out over the net:
Survival International
Cultural Survival
Many indigenous groups are being physically wipe off the earth.
peace
1NX9 1 year ago
eat acid. eat shrooms. eat peyote. smoke cannabis. smoke dmt. drink alcohol.
thedelta88 1 year ago
im a tauren shaman!
SmootheTank 1 year ago
Shpongle!
Anamnesicus 1 year ago 2
i believe the Mind is not just our personal Mind but a channel that connects all Creations. The thoughts in the Mind do not belong to just one Spirit, your thoughts are mixed in there but many other Spirits influence your thoughts for good or bad without most realizing this. shamans receive help from Spirit friends, insects, animals, creations from other galaxies, Spirits from other dimension, Earth creatures, from all energy. it's all trial and error. PEACE
indigobeauty1 1 year ago
a shaman to me is an individual who receives help from the Spirit world. it is not a religion because it does not have to be taught, it's everyone birth given right to receive help during this earth experience. 1LOVE
indigobeauty1 1 year ago
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Shamanism is primitive, but it's still a religion. There is no true spirituality outside religion. The "religion vs spiriuality" thing we see today was created by self-serving "me" generation kids who have no idea what they are talking about.
ObamaNation111 2 years ago
its not a religion its very much an independant spiritual practice. Its personal.
BIRDOH23 2 years ago 29
@BIRDOH23 you could be in any religion or non in general to be a shaman
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1/ Witchcraft (Dominating/controlling force) ie Spells, Curses.
2/Divination (Fortune telling realm) ie Palm, Tarot card, Tea reading, Dreams etc 3/ Sorcery (through objects) ie Charms, Amulets, some Rings.
intransigenttruth 2 months ago
Ever stop to consider that spirituality has nothing to do with gods or worship? its just another phrase for interacting with the unseen, the immaterial world. Even you can't be so ignorant as to assume that there is nothing we don't percieve. We only live in 3 dimensions out of 12 known dimensions. The astral realm is one that is interacted with through shamanism. There is no god, no worship.
theNickRYG 2 years ago 3
@ObamaNation111
Actually, that's not true. Shamanism is actually a very advanced spiritual practice - to call it "primitive" means you don't understand anything about it.
Religion and Spirituality are two different things and they don't necessarily go together (they usually don't). Spirituality teaches to look within whereas religion teaches you to look outside yourself (god in heaven) for answers/salvation. I've yet to see a religious person who is truly spiritual...
luigee78 2 years ago 47
@luigee78 lol well said if i were to not be a athiest i think spirituality would be my call :o
OAppleoo 1 year ago
@luigee78 I agree except for that it is primitive - being that it is an ancient practice. I see we could substitute the word primitive with ancient but what ever, Martha did a good job.
Everything else you say is correct.
MrJahvega 1 year ago
@MrJahvega
I agree that one definition of "primitive" is that it could be ancient, but it's often used nowadays to dismiss something as backwards, unsophisticated, not complex, less than, weak, not as good as..etc. That was the context in which it was used by the person I was responding to. So yes, your defintion is half right, but it doesn't encompass the wide rage of meanings that word has.
Shamanis is very complex and very ancient, but not "primitive" in any of the ways i mentioned.
luigee78 1 year ago
@luigee78 I know you commented on this about a year ago but I was wondering if it is possible to be a shaman and have a religion too? I find myself very spiritual and yet I have my religion.
Somespatanwarrior 8 months ago
@Somespatanwarrior
You can if you ignore the religious tenants / teachings that condemn the shamanic practices that have opened you up spiritually, but by default that will make you "not religious". I don't know what your religion is, but the standard major world religions contradict with shamanism and in many parts of the world still clash. The more into shamanism one gets into, chances are you'll want less to do with any of the standard major world religions that operate with fear.
luigee78 8 months ago
@luigee78 i see you know a lot about shamanism. I'd like to ask you a question: I've heard people say that shamanism is actually a lie and you can't connect with spirits, and also that if you do connect with spirits its demons talking to you and laughing at you.
I don't know if this guy is right, but can you give me more information on shamanism and if what i've said above is true or not?
Thanks man :)
cosminso1230 7 months ago
@cosminso1230
Shamanism is indeed very real and in fact, it's the first and oldest form of spirituality known to man. It developed all over the world and has lasted for ions because it worked and continues to work. Spirits are very real - and yes, one does have to be careful with certain entities, but overall the shaman learns to use the spirits and spirit realms to gain knowledge, wisdom, and spiritual growth.
That guy lied to you or doesn't know what he's talking about himself.
luigee78 7 months ago
@luigee78 ok thank you for clearing this up for me... but i've heard from other people who practice this that getting high (smoking marijuana) helps you meet your goal to talking to spirits..... is that true?
and thanks for responding so fast :)
cosminso1230 7 months ago
@cosminso1230 Yes, a lot of the hallucinogenic, entheogenic, psychedelic, mind expanding drugs(call it what you want) are really helpful in to get most out of the shamanic journey. I just sent you two links , so check your E-mail... A good in depth description of what the Amazonian Brew Ayahuasca can help you with... from the Joe Rogan Podcast, funny as hell too
geostigma123 7 months ago
@geostigma123 alright thanks for all this info
cosminso1230 7 months ago
@cosminso1230
sorry for the late response. I had not checked messages for awhile. To answer your quetion: Yes, some hallucinogenic plants are used by some shamans to achieve altered states - which does help in communicating with spirits. However, that's not the only way. Lots of shamans achieve altered states by using rythmic drumming/music or dancing to achieve the same results. Some mix both plants and music. It varies. But drugs are not the only way...and they aren't recreational.
luigee78 6 months ago
@luigee78 oh ok i'm starting to understand this, but how come science has proved that you can't talk to spirits? I'm not taking sides, but if i were to pay money to be taught this, i would want to have some results. Also, when you do drugs, you tend to hallucinate. Could that be the "spirits" that they see? Just illusions? i would love to start shamanism, but there's 2 sides to it and i want to know which one is real.
cosminso1230 6 months ago
@cosminso1230
Science hasn't "proved" that you can't talk to spirits. What science states is that since they can't "currently" scientifically prove that sprits don't exist, then they simply can't exisit. That's a very elitest way of thinking - reminds me of the Church during the middle ages. There are many things that Science deemed impossible in the past, but later as knowledge improved they were able to prove. Just because Science can't prove something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
luigee78 6 months ago
@cosminso1230
As for Illusions. If the experience/spirits provide you with knowledge and widsom that you didn't have before, tht shows their is an "intelligence" in those experiences. Simple "illusions" can't do that. Can some people be dulisional? Yes. Recreational drug use without guidance/training is not recommended (IMO) for that reason. However, when done right, drugs can help open the doorways to the spirit world and that is indeed very real and not hallucinations.
luigee78 6 months ago
@cosminso1230
Also, please remember that using drugs isn't the only way to communicate with spirits. Like I mentioned before, you can also use rythmic music/drumming to attain altered states of mind, which help you access the doorways to the spirits/reals, etc...
luigee78 6 months ago
@luigee78 i know that it isn't and i would never plan to use drugs for this, but i was curious to see drugs do something useful for once, but i have never tried and never will try drugs.
cosminso1230 6 months ago
@cosminso1230 You can see simple hallucinations without the use of drugs. An example would be the many optical illusions people come up with. It is not always easy to trick your mind, but drugs make it easier to be fooled.
A simple example would be rotating dots, when you look at this example you will see a green dot inbetween the pink dots, this is like a spirit to the shaman. The dot is not there. Science can prove the dot is not there, a shaman would consider science a "disturbance" ...
planetofthescums 4 months ago
@cosminso1230 disturbance that "upsets" the spirit or something like that.
The mind is weak in other ways but we can figure out things with our sense and by experience, you have to believe everything you see, and not just a single occurence of what we would like to believe.
We are not natural skeptics and if we see a hallucination we may convince ourselves that it was real, for a long time, even if nothing else supports it.
Drugs distort the senses and reality is shadowed by illusion.
planetofthescums 4 months ago
@planetofthescums oh i think i get it, but i am still confused by a lot of things. However, you have made something clear for me. thanks.
cosminso1230 4 months ago
@cosminso1230 What did I make clear for you?
planetofthescums 4 months ago
@planetofthescums well i've heard that drugs can help you achieve this sense faster and clearer. well, like you said, you're only hallucinating, basically, and what you're seeing/experiencing isn't reality. And also, some people that think they saw a ghost and run wild into the public saying it aren't necessarily crazy, but most of the time they are lol.
cosminso1230 3 months ago
@cosminso1230 I tried drugs because people would not shut up about them; I found it to be a particularly simple minded experience. They keep the mind pinned down so more pragmatic explanations for the world outside do not surface. A flickering light bulb for example, you can't see what you're reading, the world becomes unfamiliar, but less fulfilling all at the same time.
People condoning the implementation of this scheme point to things like shamanism to support the "secret" you can be in on.
planetofthescums 3 months ago
@cosminso1230 Our minds rely on physical surroundings to function, similar to how random numbers are generated through collision of physical particles.
You can't think your way beyond reality, real mental exercise weeds out interference from the physical world, until we are all left seeing the same picture; until no one can tell one's own truth apart from any other.
There would be nothing but death and life and no hazy lies between them; thought is only a first step that needs to get resolved.
planetofthescums 3 months ago
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@planetofthescums Explanation on the following:
1/ Witchcraft (Dominating/controlling force) ie Spells, Curses.
2/Divination (Fortune telling realm) ie Palm, Tarot card, Tea reading, Dreams etc 3/ Sorcery (through objects) ie Charms, Amulets, some Rings.
intransigenttruth 2 months ago
@luigee78 i agree with you. although, i think religions do teach people to go within. jesus was all about that. but people don't realize what he really meant. i mean, jesus is basically a shaman. i think shamanism is the oldest form of what we could call "religion". it got messy when we invented language and started writing books and worshipping suns and things "out there"
TDP788 6 months ago
@luigee78
Then your not looking very hard. It's true that we see ultimate salvation in being at the Lord's side, but it is stressed again and again that self-assesment and the pursuit of a wholesome lifestyle are necessary for that to happen. At the very least, we must come to recognize our own iniquities, and do all that we can as Christians to conquer them. It is among our ideals that we detach ourselves from worldly things, worldly ideals to acheive this salvation. Is that not spiritual?
Deathrune456 5 months ago
@Deathrune456
No, that is not spiritual. You are allowing "teachings" of an outside source to guide you / scare you into pursuing your "wholesome lifestyle." Also, your "self-assesment" is based on who's guidelines? And outside "Lord" or oftentimes the Priest/Preacher/Pastor, ect. What little spiritual concepts are found in your case, christianity, are voided / contradicted by 98% of everything else. I grew up Christian, so I DO know what I'm talking about even if you don't agree.
luigee78 5 months ago
@luigee78 Guide/SCARE me? I probably would'nt have to look to far into the history of shamanism to find an individual who's done just that to the people around him, so you can drop that defense right here and now. Since when did oral traditions stop counting as this 'outside' source, anyway? Does recording spiritual or religious findings and insight onto paper offend you somhow?
Anyhow, I'm sorry that my spiritual princibles are so subjective compared to yours. Further more....
Deathrune456 5 months ago
@Deathrune456 What contradictions are you specifying? 98% is a tad odd a percentage in my eyes. What spiritual concepts are being voided? Could you please flesh out your conception of Christianity as something that isn't spiritual, because at this point, it STILL doesnt look like you've invested much into it. There's a difference inbetween honest investment and the usual 'my folks were Christian, so there you go'.
Deathrune456 5 months ago
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@Deathrune456 What contradictions are you specifying? 98% is a tad odd a percentage in my eyes. What spiritual concepts are being voided? Could you please flesh out your conception of Christianity as something that isn't spiritual, because at this point, it STILL doesnt look like you've invested much into it. There's a difference inbetween honest investment and the usual 'my folks were Christian, so there you go'.
Deathrune456 5 months ago
@Deathrune456
You missed the point completely - perhaps on purpose since you have no argument. Spirituality and Religion are two different things which I've already explained a million times. If you don't understand that, then I can't help you. Spiritual teachings can be written down, so your point is mute. My point, and it's a valid one, is that Religion and Spirituality are two different things that don't usually go together. Stop defending Christianity and get your answers from within.
luigee78 5 months ago
@luigee78 I have no argument? None what-soever? I cant beat that logic. I really cant. I concede.
Deathrune456 5 months ago
@luigee78 i am a descendent from twomedicine menshaman is an anglotermmy curiousity about what these other people had to say
thoostorm4 5 months ago
@luigee78 Tom Brown Jr.!
neighbouroftheforest 3 months ago
@luigee78 i dont see it seperate from religion, i was studying muslim holy book, ive read in it there are three world, upper(heaven), middle(iraf), and lower(hell), also i ve seen role of music in every religion, in churches, in sufi muslim dances, all religions and spirituality are same but only wise person discover the true meaning behind religion, religion is said in that manner that all people understand
2012humanity 3 months ago
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1/ Witchcraft (Dominating/controlling force) ie Spells, Curses.
2/Divination (Fortune telling realm) ie Palm, Tarot card, Tea reading, Dreams etc 3/ Sorcery (through objects) ie Charms, Amulets, some Rings.
intransigenttruth 2 months ago
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@luigee78 Explanation on the following:
1/ Witchcraft (Dominating/controlling force) ie Spells, Curses.
2/Divination (Fortune telling realm) ie Palm, Tarot card, Tea reading, Dreams etc 3/ Sorcery (through objects) ie Charms, Amulets, some Rings.
intransigenttruth 2 months ago
aged 21 i tripped out on acid with some friends in a caravan near a lake in scotland we had pulled in for the night and took the trip..we came up so fast and the doors were playing on the stereo..we turned out the light and went on a journey..the song was "riders on the storm"when the song was done we turned on the light..we had entered the spirit world ..jim morrison had opened the door and was waiting for us to enter he sat with us for a while and told us that everything is one..
stevom31 2 years ago 4
although u may think im mocking i assure u i am not.i knew nothing of the doors then but since i learned that that particular song has a shamanic rythm in the back beat ..i am very lucky to have experienced the opening of the spirit door.not many people in our modern society are aware of such a journey..it has gave me a deeper understanding of the world in general and how we must reconnect with nature if we are to survive as god intends and that death is a new begining.
stevom31 2 years ago 3
Hey I believe you, thats pretty amazing.
BIRDOH23 2 years ago 2
very interesting, I am on a shamanic course and have been one way or another all my life, i feel in my own way, that shamanism is the process of relating to God. before time there was God, and after time there will be God. the shaman connects with all things at once feeling as he or she goes. this is not a religion, nor is it a cult. it is the one truth. there is no leader, no exclusions, no one is or can be left out for any reason. its the acceptance, that way are like it or not all linked.
tcbmig 2 years ago
Very very cool, i've dabbled in other religions. I don't like the idea of praying to a God or Deity. Shamanism seems very personal, i like that there is no Deity or rules. I'm definetly going to research this more.
ChristmasTreeBandit 2 years ago
It's not a religion.
lFlash4 2 years ago
I didn't say it was
KuntryKash 2 years ago
Are you the Christmas tree bandit?
lFlash4 2 years ago
Yes i am, sorry, i replied on my alternate account. I know why you were confused and i should have rephrased what i said. What i'm saying is i dabbled in a few religions, but i didn't like the idea of praying to a deity. Shamanism seems cool because it's personal, only to the practicioner. I wasn't implying that it was a religion.
KuntryKash 2 years ago
Hmm... it's pretty interesting how this played out because since that comment 6 days ago my knowledge on shamanism and perspective have changed. The more I look at it the more it seems like a religion. They do believe in many deities and "did" make more sacrifices than any other religious people I've investigated. There was a history channel special on how the high Mayan priests were shamans. Sorry for this quick change of thought but its probably something you should research before doubting.
lFlash4 2 years ago
Also I would appreciate it if you wouldn't use your 2 accounts to give me thumbs down. It's undeniably obvious so don't. Thanks. God bless.
lFlash4 2 years ago
I didn't give you thumbs down, sir. I'm not 12 years old. And what exactly was i doubting?
KuntryKash 2 years ago
Well don't really care about the thumbs down anymore it's just that since you said that you had to accounts and I had the same number of thumbs down it looks like you saw my comment on one account gave a thumb down then came back with another count did the same and then commented. But whatever I don't care anymore. I didn't accuse you of doubting anything, I meant that if it is hard to believe then you should research it for your self. God bless.
lFlash4 2 years ago
Great Cingiskhan and Amir Teymur Shaman by relign. How do you say that Shamanism not relign? Yes you right
religns are fake beliving and Shamanism is true history by SKY GOD and our leaders like Sword of SKY GOD Atilla, Great Cingiskhan, Amir Teymur and Hero of first World War ATATURK!
Azerbaycan 2 years ago
Ok your going to learn how to speak English. Other wise we can't have this conversation. Were are you even from?
lFlash4 2 years ago
i am not English. if english your mothertong keep it.
Azerbaycan 2 years ago
I wasn't insulting you, I meant that the content of your above comment doesn't make any sense. Rephrase it. Make new. Better.
lFlash4 2 years ago
Very informative video. Same for part 2.
spiralshaman 3 years ago
Evenki and Tungusian is Turkish languges. shamanism have rools,clouse,crown,cam,robay, shoes,pir and many tools,many rituals. Zodiacs is Shamanistic calendar. Shamanism is first relign of the World, which other religns come out from to Shamanism. Shamans not madicine man. They prey for hunting,for weather,for taiga, clean evil eye, shamans before pray in stonehanges which ritual name is "bori" contacting by galaxy to Tengri(scy father), Humay Ana(scy mother) Word of "cosmos" is Shamanistic word
Azerbaycan 3 years ago
Shamanism, culture-relign of Turanian peoples and first relign of World. Other religns come out from to shamanism. Chagatay and Siberia is original place of Shamanism. Native americans relign is Shamanism and Native Americans is Turanians. Big Turanian family is Turkish peoples. Askenazis was Turkish by blood, shaman by relign. Bulan khagan of Khazar kaganate was Turkish.his take judaism relign from to some safardi to try, half population of Khazar kaganate take judaism also. SHAMAN = SHAH MAN.
Azerbaycan 3 years ago
Are you drunk?
AnthonyJB88 2 years ago
Dont worry, i give you more information about Shamanism. Great Cingiskhan and Amir Teymur was by Shaman relign. From Shamanism come out Paganism which is half of Evrope to day belive, because Huns(Hungarians) original relign was Shamanism which is to day central of Evrope. .
Azerbaycan 2 years ago
I got the same impression. Check out the comment he left me below. Zero sense there.
lFlash4 2 years ago
part two is here too...
smalltalkmedia 4 years ago
its true what isit with the guy nodding constantly? Consensus? I guess.....
Ahbelina 4 years ago
And his incessant "Mmm-hmm"ing is so distracting!
ReverendDaemon 4 years ago
btw why does the guy's head nod so many times? is he going nuts?
hmongcanadian 4 years ago
This makes so much sense. Im hmong and we do this stuff.
hmongcanadian 4 years ago
Where is part 2?
M0NG0LWARRI0R 4 years ago