the story has many mistakes. Piquet didn't qualify in Detroit 1982 due to the turbo lag, but due to an electrical failures in friday's qualifying session with both his race car and his spare car, and after both cars had been fixed for saturday's qualifying session, rain came up.
that engine designer at BMW was given the order that this M10 block should have the ability to be enlarged & tuned to a race engine in future. what a good foresight of those bosses in charge at the BMW factory in the early 60's :)
All a little like a marketing line,like the 4" stripe on the minor bonnet.....but faster. How much meat to you cast out of an F1 block over a road block, which does not have to have customer faith in it or carry a guarantee.
What a crazy story. To use old blocks with 100k on them and then leave them out side to be weathered then piss on them. Then Turbo charge them for F1 use. Great story. It proves that money is not everything. The thought that went in to this set up was unreal. 1350hp with a stock block with 100k that has sat out side in the weather for god knows how long. Makes you want to buy a BMW.
@gabbermaikel These engines are surrounded by myths. The use of old blocks beying the most profound one. The output figures (very impressive nevertheless) being the other. I've seen these engines in real life. They are based on iron m10 / m12 blocks that they machined until they where usable for motorsport applicatiobs. These engines had been in f2 and touringcars by bmw
@JSPRFRDKS, read The Turbo Years by respected motor racing Journalist Allan Henry. Those WERE used engine blocks by all means for the EXACT reason the presenter stated. Unthinkable today, but VERY true then!
@emceeslo It's impressive none the less, a standard cast iron block that was designed in the '60's making those power figures and winning f1 championships. However the myth of old block usage keeps popping up. I've read the turbo years, as wel as many more books and magazines. Paul Rosche became curious so they tried it. The engine blew up on the testbench before it even got warm according to Ulrich Baretzky of Audi Motorsport (who worked on bmw f1 engines back in those days)
@JSPRFRDKS This passage is from a book by Alan Henrey " Formula One: The Turbo Era" printed 1998 ", according to Paul Rosche. Quote, "It did not take long for the BMW Motorsport engineers to discover that the standard production blocks performed at therir optimum when aged. Two- or three-year -old blocks from cars which had covered as much as 100,000 kilometers on the road had less inherent strees in their structure than newer examples." (cont)
@JSPRFRDKS (cont from above) "However, aside from machining away around 5kg of superfluous metal such as stiffening ribbs and water channels on the inlet side, the blocks remained fundamentally UNMODIFIED (emphasis added by me) from the basic production examples"
@emceeslo I never said the blocks where modified in any particular way. Just that they machined more than a bit of of them. They also used special cylinder sleeves and liners to change the diplasement to the regulation 1500cc. I just think the old blocks story is just a little marketing they brought to life. F1 is surounded by myths and nothing better then throwing sand in everyones eyes right? But that's just my opinion. Everybody is entitled to have one, I guess we will never know what's what
It's true back when I worked for BMW I pissed on them for years, I'd like to think I helped Nelson to his championship.
ZekeMoffat1 3 months ago 4
the story has many mistakes. Piquet didn't qualify in Detroit 1982 due to the turbo lag, but due to an electrical failures in friday's qualifying session with both his race car and his spare car, and after both cars had been fixed for saturday's qualifying session, rain came up.
TheColinChapman 6 months ago
that engine designer at BMW was given the order that this M10 block should have the ability to be enlarged & tuned to a race engine in future. what a good foresight of those bosses in charge at the BMW factory in the early 60's :)
thenicedudejay 7 months ago
All a little like a marketing line,like the 4" stripe on the minor bonnet.....but faster. How much meat to you cast out of an F1 block over a road block, which does not have to have customer faith in it or carry a guarantee.
magna59 7 months ago
What a crazy story. To use old blocks with 100k on them and then leave them out side to be weathered then piss on them. Then Turbo charge them for F1 use. Great story. It proves that money is not everything. The thought that went in to this set up was unreal. 1350hp with a stock block with 100k that has sat out side in the weather for god knows how long. Makes you want to buy a BMW.
dreadnok320 8 months ago
Its RIMMER!!! From Red Dwarf!!!
miatasteve1 1 year ago 21
the part about the usage of old blocks is not true. They used brand new blocks, which they machined beyond recognition
JSPRFRDKS 1 year ago
@JSPRFRDKS where you there when bmw where building the f1 engines?
they did use engineblocks that where used in a road car, they just bought back the car and used the engine
and if you listen to what he says then you would know that they talked with people who worked on those engine's
gabbermaikel 1 year ago 6
@gabbermaikel These engines are surrounded by myths. The use of old blocks beying the most profound one. The output figures (very impressive nevertheless) being the other. I've seen these engines in real life. They are based on iron m10 / m12 blocks that they machined until they where usable for motorsport applicatiobs. These engines had been in f2 and touringcars by bmw
JSPRFRDKS 1 year ago
@JSPRFRDKS, read The Turbo Years by respected motor racing Journalist Allan Henry. Those WERE used engine blocks by all means for the EXACT reason the presenter stated. Unthinkable today, but VERY true then!
emceeslo 9 months ago
@emceeslo It's impressive none the less, a standard cast iron block that was designed in the '60's making those power figures and winning f1 championships. However the myth of old block usage keeps popping up. I've read the turbo years, as wel as many more books and magazines. Paul Rosche became curious so they tried it. The engine blew up on the testbench before it even got warm according to Ulrich Baretzky of Audi Motorsport (who worked on bmw f1 engines back in those days)
JSPRFRDKS 9 months ago
@JSPRFRDKS This passage is from a book by Alan Henrey " Formula One: The Turbo Era" printed 1998 ", according to Paul Rosche. Quote, "It did not take long for the BMW Motorsport engineers to discover that the standard production blocks performed at therir optimum when aged. Two- or three-year -old blocks from cars which had covered as much as 100,000 kilometers on the road had less inherent strees in their structure than newer examples." (cont)
emceeslo 9 months ago
@JSPRFRDKS (cont from above) "However, aside from machining away around 5kg of superfluous metal such as stiffening ribbs and water channels on the inlet side, the blocks remained fundamentally UNMODIFIED (emphasis added by me) from the basic production examples"
emceeslo 9 months ago
@emceeslo I never said the blocks where modified in any particular way. Just that they machined more than a bit of of them. They also used special cylinder sleeves and liners to change the diplasement to the regulation 1500cc. I just think the old blocks story is just a little marketing they brought to life. F1 is surounded by myths and nothing better then throwing sand in everyones eyes right? But that's just my opinion. Everybody is entitled to have one, I guess we will never know what's what
JSPRFRDKS 9 months ago
@JSPRFRDKS I agree with that. We can read as much as we want. But in the end, if none of us were there, how would we know? Peace!
emceeslo 8 months ago
@JSPRFRDKS Not so, check out my comment above.
emceeslo 9 months ago