CCW 2.145: Last Rants Conclusion - What Comic Book Readers Take For Granted

[rzerox21xx]

I would love to see you guys do a episode dedicating on artist like Greg Horn and Greg Land. especially on the porn faces and tracing adn whatever rant you can do on them. I admit, I find Greg Land art entertaining in a comedic way on his current issues on Amazing.

[comicculturewarrior]

You mean Uncanny?

J.

[rzerox21xx]

yup that uncanny. I like dodson but I find greg land art very comical and it doesnt help me take the fraction story seriously with those faces.

Im looking forwarding to Utopia. Marc Silverestri, cant wait. even if he's doing part 1

[joemadeamovie]

i think avi is made up

[comicculturewarrior]

Nah, Avi's real. I've met him. Nice guy. Has to be since he puts up with Jose all the time.

;-)

Elliott

[misanthropicmumlover]

b royale is AWESOME! its the only manga i've ever read. i did cuz o the movie. i consumed those vol. in less then a week though, it was really addictive. but i would suggest you watch the movie 1st if you haven't.

and i have to say, it's kind of not fair that we always have to hear about fringe yet elliott can never say anything about lost. i'm not a fanatic or anything, but i know nothing about fringe so i'm kinda lost or just don't care. but either way, you guys are awesome. keep it up.

[comicculturewarrior]

Ah but Elliot DID watch the episode of Fringe I was talking about so it's fair game.

J.

[misanthropicmumlover]

glad for elliott. i'm still snoring though heh

[comicculturewarrior]

Well that's why WE talked about it. Next time I want to talk about a certain topic I guess I'll poll all of our viewers to make sure it's ok with them to do so.

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Yeah, if you guys could just not talk about things I've never heard of or have no interest in, that'd be GREAT.

[comicculturewarrior]

So it's ok then if we do like 8 segments on Cho Aniki then since I know you've heard about it?

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Sounds good!

[camnick8923]

you guy had my gf cracking up watching this episode. i recently gave her some books to read and she completely understands the not knowing how to read them feeling.

speaking of manga, ever read lone wolf and cub?

[comicculturewarrior]

I read the first few volumes a long whole ago and liked it. Just never got around to finishing it. I think there are like 26 volumes so I would still have a long way to go.

J.

[LEGOcinema15]

HAHAHAHAHA! I have the same problem! I'm reading Naruto next to my parents on a bus and I turn to a page where Naruto transforms into a naked chick and I tried to not let them see and there was a lot of dialouge on that page to... they didnt see that page btw... so far as I know

[LEGOcinema15]

Yeah I have been asked a few times how to read comic books because they saw me reading one and I would think they were dumb or something like that and then I realized that the people who asked me don't read comics every day...like me. I dont watch Fringe too strange and weird for me. Hmmm... some interesting conversation going on with the comments... very interesting! Hate the character count for comments. I wanna discuss more goddammit!

[RODNEY383]

you guys should watch the anime GANTZ

[comicculturewarrior]

I have all the dvds. The anime was good but I kind of like the manga better.

J.

[RODNEY383]

damn that was a fast reply LOL ,another thing i wanted to ask was does the black and white style in the manga bother you because it so different from comics? oh and the reading it backwards also, do you get mixed up switching between the 2 (comics and manga)

[comicculturewarrior]

Actually I have been into anime and manga almost as long as American comics. Were talking like a little over 20 years here. I grew up being a fan of all three so to me the differences don't bother me. There was actually a long period of time where I preferred manga to regular comics.

There is a Japanese mall less than 5 minutes from my where I live that has a large grocery store and book store where they sell almost nothing but imported product. (cont.)

[comicculturewarrior]

I had been buying import anime magazines and manga well before they became huge in the U.S. So by the time companies started publishing manga in it's "original, unflipped" format I was already used to it.

As for manga being in black and white, I really love it. I appreciate the uniqueness of both manga and American comics.

J.

[Nkerklaan]

But if a book is black and white how do you know what colour the Hulk is???

[comicculturewarrior]

Oh the humanity!

J.

[neuroticZero]

sci-fi and manga forever!!!!!!

the anime of gantz ruined the manga for me I'm too afraid to pick it up and read it !_!

[comicculturewarrior]

The anime differs from the manga, As I told a another commenter, I like the manga more than the anime. You should check it out neuroticZero.

J.

[agmaster]

Holy shit you guys are getting loads of comments now. I think the new 'set' is having secret bonuses to your cha/int checks. Or would this just be performance.

Ok, I'll stop breaking your podcast into a gaming system.

[comicculturewarrior]

He he. That was pretty good agmaster. :)

J.

[PILKK90]

guys have you heard the horrible news, the people who own the rights to buffy the vamp want to make a new film and reboot the series, and whedon wont be involved!

[jrochoa7]

The last set of episodes are great. Maybe it was the change of scenery or the time of day but you both seemed more relaxed. Jose's anecdotes lead to a nice conversation in this episode. I enjoy when you two discuss topics that are on the periphery of the meat and potatoes of comics. The corn if I may. Or you can forget the dinner plate analogy and call it the comic "culture". But I gotta say the word culture is kind of cardboardy. Wouldn't you rather eat some corn?

[locusmortis]

relaxed? who wants relaxed? We want Jose ranting like Stalin on crack ;)

[comicculturewarrior]

Then you should be happy with the Battle for the Cowl #3 review we taped yesterday locus. I think I may have gone a bit overboard with it though.

J.

[locusmortis]

I tried reading botc 3 online at work this afternoon and had to give up about 10 pages in so I look forward to your review ;)

[comicculturewarrior]

Haha locus. You got a thumbs down again for giving your valid opinion. Classic.

J.

[locusmortis]

Haha yeah coz I suck :p

Locus

[comicculturewarrior]

Hehe, you do locus. You so do! lolz

J.

[comicculturewarrior]

And the great thing about corn is that it shows up in your stool DAYS after you've eaten it!  WOW!

So you're staying we show up in your stool days later?

That would be lazer awesome!

Elliott

[farcher3]

Elliot is right! can't read this stuff on the subway! In japan graphic stuff is common and can be discussed almost anywhere. I've gotten rude comments from ladies who have seen me read magazines such as Maxim in store newstand and I was five feet away from them. The cover ticked them off from afar. This reminds me of the bruhaha over the Heidi Klum Guitar Hero commercial. The Censored US version had her wearing a loose shirt but the European version had her wearing just a bra.

[comicculturewarrior]

You should see the looks I get when I'm "reading" Glutes Magazine in the bookstore, farcher.

J.

[smallmaniac]

I got into comics in 2007 and reading the wording was a little difficult and still is in regards to the train of thought. One reason why I cant get into manga is because it's read so different. I was watching the last Fringe episode and noticed how they mentioned the multiverse as if it were this new concept and realized I never would have known of it had I not read comics. After comic books you kind of expect people to already know about these sci-fi elements which aren't that common.

[pmknight12]

l'll take what is mostly off topic for 500 Alex?

k...O...

[saar1707]

Jose did U read any Clamp Manga? they are my favorite Manga team.

A by the way Elliott, if you want to know how manga being writing there is an amazing manga called Bakuman, it is drawing and writing by the team that did DEATH NOTE! and it is about to kids that starting to write Manga together. it tell exactly what are the steps in writing a Manga and the steps in which manga is being chosen to by an ongoing series.

and if you thing in Gantz there are alot of boobs read Air Gear.

[saar1707]

Manga is much more easy to read be my opinion because in most manga series there isn't the thing with word balloon on under another and in most manga that translate to English, in the last page (the last page on the left) there is a STOP sign and a page that tell you, with a picture, how to read it. For my is easier because the way the magna writing is the same way the I write in Hebrew.

By the way, Jose, please do more manga reviews.

[locusmortis]

the english language is meant to be read left to right so manga now is a pain in the arse, I used to read quite a bit of manga when companies bothered to flop the comics.

[Truth4Power]

Gatz is Disneyworld compared to Battle Royale!

I was ready to jump off a ledge after they brutelly killed my favorite character!

[Pinkhamsterino]

I just listened to the beginning of this episode again. How come you never mentioned you're friends with Avi Arad? No wonder you're biased against DC.

[comicculturewarrior]

How come I've never mentioned it? Ummm...maybe because he's a drunk prick who likes Lolita manga. Can you blame me?

J.

[comicculturewarrior]

Man, people are going to come on to this board tomorrow and wonder " What the fuck is going on?"

J.

[Nkerklaan]

I think it'll be more like "Who is this Nkerklaan fellow? He seems like a most intriguing and handsome character!"

If they're women, I mean.

[comicculturewarrior]

Ah, you're right. That's what I meant to say.

J.

[comicculturewarrior]

Someone's compensating again.

GAY!

;-)

Elliott (on a caffeine buzz right now)

[Nkerklaan]

Stupid Cho Aniki. >:(

[itsmeMorph]

i started reading manga and then moved onto comics but since the nearest comic shop is an hour away ive been reading more manga than comics since i can read them online for free.

battle royale was a good read i really enjoyed that manga, the first thing that comes to mind is the kid who ended up with the fork i felt sorry for him and yet i couldnt help but laugh, lol.

[comicculturewarrior]

But if you have ever watched "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" you would know how brutal a fork stab can be. :)

J.

[itsmeMorph]

lol, id say the mcpoyle's used it better then that kid did.

[comicculturewarrior]

Damn straight! He he...

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Funny - I'm having the same experience as your friend - I *finally* managed to convince a friend of mine at work who's a fan of everything from Russian lit to Chuck Palahniuk to sci-fi and fantasy to at least TRY reading a comic, which he claims just "aren't really his thing" which we all know is code for "that kiddy bullshit is beneath me". So I leant him Sandman vol. 1, and in the time it's taken him to read a bunch nof novels, he still hasn't finished it because he just finds it hard to read.

[BlackPhoenix06]

Wow. Thats really pretty hard to believe. But then again the comic fans such us have been xposed to this a lot longer than those who new to it.

[Nkerklaan]

It's really not hard to believe at all, it's just -like the boys are saying - something we all take for granted. It's not an inherently easy or natural way to read, and it is something you have to learn. We've just been doing it for so long that it seems like we've always known it, and like E (or was it J?) said, if we grew up reading comics as a kid, it's something we learned as we were developing, which is a hell of a lot easier than trying to read a comic for the first time at 28.

[comicculturewarrior]

That would be J. who said that.

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Thanks, J!

[comicculturewarrior]

Anytime N.

J.

[BlackPhoenix06]

I guess you're right. But even so, if there anything I'd think first timers'd have difficulty with, its understanding which dialogue box(is that what they're called?) comes before the next and which is which characters voice. Other than that, which shouldn't be too hard to comprehend after a while, I can't imagine someone who's used to novels and such having trouble with comics, especially if their opened up to something like Rulk, a comic one could finish a stop light.

[Nkerklaan]

But it's just that it parses differently from reading a novel or watching a movie. It's just not a thought process non comics readers are used to.

[BlackPhoenix06]

I still can't wrap my head around it. Like you said, perhaps because I'm so used to it. But then again comics are so simple and staightforward its a wonderment to think one would give up one them for sheer inability to process it. Very strange.

[Nkerklaan]

Trust me, it's because you're used to it. Anything can seem daunting or complicated to someone who's not used to it. It's like trying to get your grandma to play video games.

[BlackPhoenix06]

My grandmother playing videogames. Haha Theres a sight I'll never see.

[comicculturewarrior]

Me neither.  My grandmother is so hooked on black tar heroin she really doesn't have the time for video games anymore...or me. Sniff...

J.

[BlackPhoenix06]

O_O WTF?

[comicculturewarrior]

Ya man. It's a hard knock life all around.

J.

[Pinkhamsterino]

my grandmother is just hooked on black tar... she walked onto the street right after they paved it before it cooled down. now she's hooked on it and can't walk away. i have to bring her food and clean her bedpan right out there in the fuckin street. fuuuuck

[comicculturewarrior]

Now that is some fucked up shit. By the way, where's that street? I think your grandma and my grandma should get together and go bowling.

J.

[Pinkhamsterino]

Actually I had the experience once of showing the Dr. Strange: Shamballa graphic novel to someone in high school and she literally could not read the first page, because it required the reader to interpret separate, silent panels without words as if the panels were frames of a movie.

[comicculturewarrior]

Ah, but you should have known that grrls can't read comics. Adoy!

J.

[Pinkhamsterino]

For some reason she never went out with me... Maybe I should have put away the fucking "graphic novel."

[comicculturewarrior]

Or maybe you should just have shown her your Mighty Eye of Agamotto and sealed the deal.

J.

[Pinkhamsterino]

In my case it's more showing her my Pym Particle

[comicculturewarrior]

Ahso...

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Ha!

But yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about, Hammy (can I call you Hammy?) We all do that kind of shit instinctively now, but it's just not that way for the normies.

[locusmortis]

I'm gonna make my other half call it that from now on :D

[comicculturewarrior]

You lucky bastard.

J.

[comicculturewarrior]

Well in order to comprehend Rulk all you need is to have graduated from the first grade. Anybody should be able to understand it.

J.

[Nkerklaan]

I dunno, would a first grader get the sublime subtlety of the "Oh the humanity!" Hindenburg reference? I think not.

[comicculturewarrior]

ROFL!!!

You are so right about that. He he...

J.

[Nkerklaan]

I really don't think Rulk is that bad. I have read WAY worse than that, and it kept me entertained for the all of ten minutes it took me to read the first three issues.

[pobra17]

in order to comprehend Rulk, you have to beat yourself in the head with a hammer until your retarded enough to think that it's enjoyable.

[pobra17]

sorry Nkerklaan, that was not directed at you. I didn't see your comment. Shit.

[Nkerklaan]

It's okay. I actually do beat myself with a hammer regularly, it's the only way I can enjoy daytime television.

[mastulogan]

Really interesting insights into something that we may be taking for granted: the ability to interpret comic books correctly. I have to agree that it seems some artists and writers are trying to get too clever and its hard to figure out the order on spreads.

PS, glad you are enjoying Gantz. I think Gantz and Battle Royale illustrate just how far Japanese comic books are beyond American ones.

[comicculturewarrior]

Hopefully we will be doing a Battle Royale review in the near future. Ya, I know the series has been out for like 4 years in the U.S. but Elliott's never read them. Better late than never, right?

J.

[Nkerklaan]

I've only recently starting getting into manga after reading Death Note, which I loved. There's a used bookstore right near work that has an awesome selection of manga, but there's so much of it and it's a medium I know so little about that apart from a couple big names I don't know what's shit and what's good, or even necesarily all the different kinds of titles I'd like.

I guess that's what the internet's for. I'll keep an eye out for Gantz.

[BlackPhoenix06]

I love Death Note! The novel, "The Los Angerlos BB Murders" is highoy recommended, too, if you haven't gotten your hands on it yet. Its prequel that stars L and the untimely departed and gorgeous Noami as they investigate a case of unusual murders in LA. There aren't any Death Notes or Shinigamis or anything of that ilk, but its an extremely engrossing book regardless. As a fan of the series theres no doubt you'll greatly enjoy it. Recommened to those of you just looking for a good book, too.

[comicculturewarrior]

Jose's nagging about my not reading his manga is getting as bad as my mother nagging about my not visiting her enough. Jeezus crackers...

Elliott

[Nkerklaan]

Oh SNAP!

[comicculturewarrior]

O_o

Jimminy Christmas...

J.

[DVGamer7]

i just finished reading X-Men Forever Alpha #1, and at the end they had a preview for the beggining of the new series.god talk about shitty art -artists might like to show less muscle deffinition now but it sure has suffered their knowledge of posture and movement.

also in the old and (new preview one) i also noticed the flow of pictures and how it seems to be more like camera positioning - than more intricate portraits.

most people dont know how to conceptualise the artwork - to"read" it

[BlackPhoenix06]

Someone wake me up when things get interesting again. -_-

[comicculturewarrior]

Sorry you're too damn cool for school BP.

J.

[BlackPhoenix06]

o_O?

[comicculturewarrior]

>:I

J.

[Nkerklaan]

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS HATE GEOFF JOHNS.

Discuss.

[comicculturewarrior]

I h8 Geoff Johnz cause heez stoopid and his Flash is like sooooo boring, snoozers, and hiz Green Lantern is also boooring and stuff. Also I heer he wetz the bed.

J.

[comicculturewarrior]

JRJR PWNS STEVE MCNIVEN!

Discuss.

Elliott

[Nkerklaan]

Yeah well you fags need to lighten up a little. Bring on the big tits and hourglass bodies.

[comicculturewarrior]

But if we have the gay then we wouldn't like the big boobs and the hourglass bodies so then we wouldn't want to bring it on. Instead we will be reviewing the video game Cho Aniki. Hope you boyz like that instead.

J.

[Nkerklaan]

I just looked up Cho Aniki and as it appears to bring on neither the big boobs nor the hourglass bodies I have to conclude that it sucks.

[comicculturewarrior]

But in the best possible way. Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

J.

[comicculturewarrior]

Just knowing what Cho Aniki is makes you gay, ya gaylord. You're so gay, go make a bread bowl with spinach dip already.

Elliott

[Nkerklaan]

If just knowing what Cho Aniki is makes you gay, does that mean I'm gay now that I've looked it up?

[comicculturewarrior]

Yes. You should have known that "It's a trap!"

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Damn you, J! Now I won't be able to continue enjoying CBBAHBW*TV!

[comicculturewarrior]

That depends...are you in the mood to visit a YMCA or join the Navy? If the answer to either of those questions is 'yes', then yes, you have just been 'gayed.'

Elliott

[Nkerklaan]

Wait, since when are Village People songs gay?

[comicculturewarrior]

Oh wow...oh well, guess you were already 'gayed' before you got here. ;-)

Elliott

[Nkerklaan]

Touche!

[comicculturewarrior]

Since 1977.

J.

[comicculturewarrior]

Hey, Jose's the one talking about bleeding anuses, not me! Leave me out of this. I'm in for the big boobs, though.

Mmmmmm...booooobs...

Elliott

[comicculturewarrior]

Ya , I deem that this is the weirdest fucking thread we have ever had. What say you?

J.

[Nkerklaan]

I say as long as Elliott's on board with the big boobs that he should change the name of this channel to the Comic Big Boobs And Hourglass Bodies Warrior YouTube channel.

[comicculturewarrior]

I don't know if I can get the watermark to fit if it's gonna be CBBAHBW*TV. Hmmm...

Maybe if I changed the font...

Elliott

[locusmortis]

get greg land to draw them, he does the best pron tracings evr! i love greg land!!!!

[pobra17]

ya, greg land is the best!!!

[comicculturewarrior]

No! Greg Horn is the best!!!

J.

[pobra17]

no way man, it's all about tracings of big tits and hourglass bodies.

[comicculturewarrior]

But why waste time tracing said big tits and hourglass bodies when you can just scan in the picture and retouch it with Photoshop? That's how a real artist like Greg Horn creates dammit!

J.

[johnnyhorror92182]

What about Clayton Crain?

[comicculturewarrior]

I am not a big fans of his either though I will say he's a lot better than Greg Horn at what he does.

J.

[johnnyhorror92182]

Mike McKone' (of Teen Titans & Amazing Spider-Man) pisses me off.

All the people he draws have the complections of mannequins and have expressions like fucking Sex Dolls!

[comicculturewarrior]

I agree. His art is just plain boring. They need to get him off Amazing Spider-Man.

J.

[johnnyhorror92182]

Waid's story's are not impressing me either. You say BFTC is predictible, I coulda told you how his 24/7 story was gonna end!

Spider-Man is just "DERP" now! It's really just going nowhere. Under JMS, it was going places and felt mature. Now, its just recycled premises and really bad jokes.

[comicculturewarrior]

Well, I think you would have to admit that's all BFTC was at the end of the day.

J.

[rzerox21xx]

mike mckone draw people having sex dolls expression, no wonder, marvel picked the perfect artist to draw impled old people sex ont he last page of the first Amazing Spider-man 24/7

[rzerox21xx]

by the way, I hope you guys checked out the linkara link I sent you. he did this week review on DC's new guardians.

[comicculturewarrior]

Ya, I finally checked it out the other day. Good stuff.

J.

[rzerox21xx]

awesome, glad you like it. he post a comic review weekly.

[rzerox21xx]

then what do you consider Greg Land.

[BlackPhoenix06]

Never that! You know better.

[Pinkhamsterino]

Coincidental to Elliot's worry about being seen on public transport with racy manga: on the latest Fanboy Radio there was an interview with a dude from the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund talking about a manga collector in the US who had his house raided by the FBI and is going to prison for several years because out of the huge shipment of manga he was importing from Japan (sight unseen, I believe) a tiny portion of it had some "lolita" imagery in it, which is legal there but not here. Ouch.

[Pinkhamsterino]

Sorry from missing the second "t" from "Elliott" there!

[comicculturewarrior]

Holy shit! I just noticed that . And here I've been using only one "t" all this time. Elliot( I did it again!) must have been crying himself to sleep every time I've done that. Hahahahah...just thinking about that is funny.

J.

[comicculturewarrior]

"Ouch" is exactly what he will be saying many times a day while in prison. That and "Dear lord, my anus won't stop bleeding!"

Oh...was that too much?

J.

[Pinkhamsterino]

Yer probably right, once they find out what he's in for. "Oh... was that too much?" is what his first jail boyfriend will ask sarcastically.

[comicculturewarrior]

I heart sarcasm.

J.

[generaldark]

hey great vid as usual guys. i have a question for you two. i read a post someone wrote saying that they think batman doesnt belong in the DC U but more with vertigo. what do you say to that?

[comicculturewarrior]

He doesn't belong in either the DCU or the Vertigo-verse, but in the Marvel U.

Elliott

[Pinkhamsterino]

he belongs in the Baleverse, where everyone talks with a gruff voice

[comicculturewarrior]

You're kidding right Elliot? Everyone knows that Bats belongs in the Ultraverse. Yeesh.

On a serious note though I wouldn't mind seeing a Bats book put out in the current Vertigo fashion. There are definitely older Batman stories that sure did feel like something Vertigo would put out.

J.

[Nkerklaan]

But what would a Batman book in "the current Vertigo fashion" be? Even MORE dark and gritty than usual? More swearing and violence? I dunno... I think part of what makes Batman work is the way the stories have to toe the line between grim and gritty street level crime/detective stories and action-packed spandex superhero stories. Making Batman a Vertigo book just seems like an excuse to go all Garth Ennis Punisher with it.

[comicculturewarrior]

It would be Batman living on an Indian rez. But that would way be too dark and gritty for you. :)

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Maybe it can be Batman living in a hidden community of fairy tale characters in the middle of a big city. Then I can read one trade and give up because it takes four volumes to get going.

[comicculturewarrior]

But once it gets going it's soooo good.

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Wait, are you talking about Cho Aniki again?

[comicculturewarrior]

No but I think I should. Or we can talk about Ai Cho Aniki, which was the sequel. Or how about the 3rd game: Cho Aniki Bakuretsu Ranto Hen?

J.

[Nkerklaan]

Which reminds me, have you heard of Billy Harrington? He's this gay porn star that Japanese internet geeks are obsessed with for some reason and they make hundreds of weird mashup music videos with the same one or two porn movies featuring him... they celebrate his birthday and call it the "Aniki Sex Festival". He's apparently gotten so popular there he actually came to Japan for this year's Aniki Sex Festival to do a personal appearance at some event or something they set up.

Just FYI.

[comicculturewarrior]

Hmmmmm...I think that is way to much information. Yes, way too much.

J.

[Pinkhamsterino]

Have I heard of Billy Harrington? LOL. That bitch owes me forty bucks and a handjob.

[comicculturewarrior]

Sounds like the premise for an awesome sitcom.

J.

[pobra17]

or they could do a story where Batman is the last living man on Earth and instead of Robin as a sidekick, he could have a pet monkey. Now that's comic book gold.

[comicculturewarrior]

Well, since Batman is now living in a cave after Final Crisis your awesome story idea may become a reality.

J.

[pobra17]

they could call it B: The last caveman

[Pinkhamsterino]

Yikes, from what I gather that would be rough. Or maybe Batman working for the banks evicting people from their foreclosed houses.

[comicculturewarrior]

I would like to see Vertigo put out a Batman salary man comic. I think I could die happy after reading that.

J.

[Nkerklaan]

So, what, Batman works in an office and fights white collar crime?

[comicculturewarrior]

Exactly! Man that would be the fucking shit!

And after he's done fighting white collar crime he has to go home to his wife who no longer finds him atractive and has been sleeping with his young assistant, Dick Grayson. Think of the possibilities man!

J.

[Nkerklaan]

I would totally pay $3.99 for that!

[LEGOcinema15]

That's something I'd pay for every month or week! lol

[locusmortis]

People like comic-craft are good at what they do but sometimes I think they get too obsessed by the technology rather than the reading experience.

My favourite letterers are still people like the late Tom Frame in the uk, Tom Orzechowski, ken bruzenak, todd klein and the best in my opinion of them all is John Workman who works with Walt Simonson so much.

[Pinkhamsterino]

You read any of John Workman's comics (he writes and draws too)?

Some cartoonists with nice lettering styles that probably wouldn't look right over other people's art: Dave Sim, Charles Schulz, Daniel Clowes, Robert Crumb.

[locusmortis]

never read any of workmans own stuff, I'd like to get some back issues of star*reach sometime for sure.

Dave Sim is pretty under-rated when it comes to art, page design, cover design and lettering, I think his controversial comments a few years ago made him persona non grata in some peoples eyes.