The holy trinity is 1 God. The father, son and holy spirit are three entities part of 1 God. That is a basic believe all Christians have, not just mormons.
@Seabass307 Mormons do not believe there is one God and still three separate persons in that one God, would you like me to quote doctrines and covenants? Or the actual Mormon website?
@corneloup81 The reason it is not my opinion is because it becomes self-evident to anyone willing to actually acquire those tools and thinking skills. Then it because something you understand, just like you understand why two + two is four. And that is not an opinion just because you don't get why yet.
@MyITRcom You claimed that only atheists have critical thinking skills that sort of statement requires some evidence on your part unless it is only you mere arbitrary opinion
@MyITRcom Unfortunatly atheism is the one responsible for the mass murder of history. Atheists killed more people in a week than and religion in 1500 years...
Heck refuting Mormons, ALL religion is easily refuted for anyone with the tiniest skill in crictical thinking, reason and an objective philosophy. Religion while useful to move us out of barbarism has worn out its welcome in a technologically advanced society, Humans must out grow their childish need of any religions if humanity is to survive.
@MyITRcom >>ALL religion is easily refuted for anyone with the tiniest skill in crictical thinking, reason and an objective philosophy<<
Is that your arbitrary opinion or have you got evidence that everyone with critical thinking skills, degrees in philosophy and argue using reason are all atheists?
@MyITRcom >>Humans must out grow their childish need of any religions if humanity is to survive<<
The 20th century has the been more bloody than all the other 19 centuries put together and its amazing that in the 19th century the German philosopher Nietzsche said that since God is dead the 20th century will be the bloodiest of them all.
@MyITRcom what i want lds to tell me is where is the EVIDENCE that isreali people lived in north america in ancient times?there is NO hard evidence of that!!!!
Meh, you're trying to refute the momons by pointing out that they're non-trinitarians, there are plenty of non-trinitarian sects of christianity. Many of which precede the idea of a trinity, look up Arianism, the philosophy of Arius (not to be confused with Aryanism the nazi ideology). In fact the concept of the trinity has it's roots in celtic paganism. These philosophies were adopted at the council of trent in the 1500s to attract more pagan converts to the roman political... er Caholicism.
@whateverbroshutup "In fact the concept of the trinity has it's roots in celtic paganism"
Nope the Apostle Paul, I would also suggest you look into some credible scholars on the history of the trinity as you seem to have a fastfood education likely from youtube.
"non-trinitarian sects of christianity"
Red-herring
"look up Arianism"
I know all about Arianism, in fact it was supported by Constantine in the later years
@whateverbroshutup "These philosophies were adopted at the council of trent, Roman catholics"
Actually Constantine expelled Athanasius because he debated and argued against the main political ideas of Constantine and his Arianism. I think you have your history all mixed up. Do you even know anything about the council of trent, nicea etc. Nicea was the council that voted on the nature of God. Irenaus long before stated the trinity in the lat 100's
I don't want to address the agurment I addressed it for years. Here is how it works. You ask a question you come back with scrpture. I come back with a scripture and it goes in circles until one of the parties gets board of the debate. OR what has happened on my mission is when you answer the question and they interupt you with another one and they don't let you speak. I've done it all my life. Don't you get it we will both be on our sides fighting each other and nether of us will get anywere.
@abomb1230 Great another logical fallacy, if you cant rebut the argument presented go annoy someone else. Right now you are being arbitrary with mere opinion based on nothing...
@corneloup81 alright lets go in cirlces then... first I must say that nothing was "exposed" here everything the missionaries said is on mormon.org and is public. so i'm not sure what you're "exposing." also the nicene creed is a hybrid of greek idea mixed with what christ taught. The creed stats that God be cannot be comprehended how is that possible to pray to a God you don't know and never will?
@abomb1230 Unfortunately you have not watched the video at all with care.
1. Well first the mormons could not decide between themselves if there was one God or three.
Futhermore the bible says there is only one God and that God knows of no other Gods
2. There was no response to the last argument concerning is God the Father spirit or flesh, Joseph Smith said he seen God the Father in the flesh, the bible clearly teachers Spirits do not have flesh and the Father is spirit
I was a missionary and I had people do what you guys did to me. All you are is anoying and you make the rest of christianity look bad. Why would I want to switch after being treated like crap. All we try to do is help so SUCK MY BALLS
That's great Christian behavior. Anyway as usual you don't address the argument but personally attack people thinking you have a comeback. You should only think you came back with an argument if you are illogical and irrational. As I thought you cannot refute the argument so instead you through out your brains and attack the person instead...
I like what those missionaries are saying, they are much softer and gentler more christianlike. I cant imagine them doing what you guys did to them. I have friens that are mormons, they are the kindest people, not perfect but loving and kind always ready to help out. Note that the guy filming is hiding.
@bajsochbajsochbajs Being nice does not mean one is a christian, how nice was Jesus when He ripped up the temple or John the Baptist when he was calling people brood of vipers? The guy filming is not hiding, we had permission to record this one.
@bajsochbajsochbajs Being nice does not mean someone is right, I reckon the guys that said the earth was flat were really nice, they write very poetically, so according to you the earth is flat.
@corneloup81 Now if you want to talk about ignorance of the law, for you to call the USA communist is proof of that. It it were not for the Constitution of the United States, and its copying in hundreds of governments around the world, there would be a lot more real communist states throughout the world! I think it is unfair to video tape people in a private setting without their knowledge and then plaster that onto youtube to make them look bad. Its just the fairness principle in me.
@mormonanswerman You can believe all you want but you are truely ignorant. If you search caleb000007 there is another video where they turn and look at the video recorder. So please stop with your playing victim it really shows the ignorance of yourself. Everyone outside of USA knows USA is turning into a police state yor consitution means nothing by the way bush torched it and obama hates it, while he creates preventative detention before people commit crimes
@mormonanswerman Furthermore, you fail to actually comment on the christians argument choosing to debate a redherring a logical fallacy. When you come to the true understanding of the scriptures come back.
secret AMBUSH! what has our world come to? secret recordings are really weird, probably because it is illegal to record people without their knowledge in a private setting. what's really weird is when so-called christians are doing this.
Would the missionaries have presented a different message, said things differently, etc., if they knew they were on camera? Yeah, things change that way.
@mormonanswerman This was not a secret recording the mormons knew of the camera recording. You knowledge of law is quite poor, any member part of a private conversation can give permission to record even the just the recorder. Next time check out the law before you start to shoot of your mouth and show your ignorance. Regards
@corneloup81 I am SURE that CONSENT is required, and the position of the camera, the angle, etc. the keeping OUT of the non-missionaries from the picture, all looks like a STEALTH operation. It comes across that way. You would be believable IF the missionaries waved hi to the camera once, then we could know you speak the truth. It just looks like secret video that would catch everything from misspeaking to scratching one's self. They don't look like they know a camera is on them!@
@mormonanswerman You can believe all you want but you are truely ignorant, the south Australian listening devices act says that only one person party to a private conversation has to give permission to record and that can be the recorder if he is party to the a private conversation, we are not in fascist USA. If you search caleb000007 there is another video where they turn and look at the video recorder. So please stop with your playing victim it really shows the ignorance of yourself
@mormonanswerman Consent is not required by all parties in every state. If you are part of the conversation, in some states, you may record without the others' knowledge. It depends on which state this took place in. But you are right it really needs a public acknowledgement by the two missionaries just to keep everything looking above board. HOWEVER you are choking on a gnat while swallowing the camel of a lie the Mormon church teaches about being saved, even partially, by one's works.
"President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene."(History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182) FLDS/LDS Prophet Joseph Smith in 1835 The fifty-six years were passed by 1891
Joseph Smith "retranslated the ENTIRE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS. Brigham Young said the "retranslation" was a fraud and the LDS Church does not use the Jospeh Smith version of the Bible to this very day. They use the King James Version, but it is subordinate to the Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants.
Mormons use Biblical words that have a completely different meaning. Along with distortions, they have stolen Jewish names and Biblcial verse that is specific to the Jews.
1. Well first the mormons could not decide between themselves if there was one God or three.
Futhermore the bible says there is only one God and that God knows of no other Gods
2. There was no response to the last argument concerning is God the Father spirit or flesh, Joseph Smith said he seen God the Father in the flesh, the bible clearly teachers Spirits do not have flesh and the Father is spirit
1. Dont lie to me I have read doctrines and covenants, I even quoted the reference, go back and watch the video and look up the passages about only one God.
Poor Mormons and their works based religion.
lack76 9 months ago
Thanks, I made an uneducated assumption.
Seabass307 1 year ago
The holy trinity is 1 God. The father, son and holy spirit are three entities part of 1 God. That is a basic believe all Christians have, not just mormons.
Seabass307 1 year ago
@Seabass307 Mormons do not believe there is one God and still three separate persons in that one God, would you like me to quote doctrines and covenants? Or the actual Mormon website?
corneloup81 1 year ago
@Seabass307 mormons believe there has been infinatleyly many gods
matt517472 9 months ago
@corneloup81 The reason it is not my opinion is because it becomes self-evident to anyone willing to actually acquire those tools and thinking skills. Then it because something you understand, just like you understand why two + two is four. And that is not an opinion just because you don't get why yet.
MyITRcom 1 year ago
@MyITRcom You claimed that only atheists have critical thinking skills that sort of statement requires some evidence on your part unless it is only you mere arbitrary opinion
corneloup81 1 year ago
@MyITRcom Unfortunatly atheism is the one responsible for the mass murder of history. Atheists killed more people in a week than and religion in 1500 years...
corneloup81 1 year ago
Heck refuting Mormons, ALL religion is easily refuted for anyone with the tiniest skill in crictical thinking, reason and an objective philosophy. Religion while useful to move us out of barbarism has worn out its welcome in a technologically advanced society, Humans must out grow their childish need of any religions if humanity is to survive.
MyITRcom 1 year ago
@MyITRcom >>ALL religion is easily refuted for anyone with the tiniest skill in crictical thinking, reason and an objective philosophy<<
Is that your arbitrary opinion or have you got evidence that everyone with critical thinking skills, degrees in philosophy and argue using reason are all atheists?
corneloup81 1 year ago
@MyITRcom >>Humans must out grow their childish need of any religions if humanity is to survive<<
The 20th century has the been more bloody than all the other 19 centuries put together and its amazing that in the 19th century the German philosopher Nietzsche said that since God is dead the 20th century will be the bloodiest of them all.
corneloup81 1 year ago 2
@corneloup81 well said.
h0lystrike 8 months ago
@MyITRcom what i want lds to tell me is where is the EVIDENCE that isreali people lived in north america in ancient times?there is NO hard evidence of that!!!!
DrRocksotheClown 8 months ago
Meh, you're trying to refute the momons by pointing out that they're non-trinitarians, there are plenty of non-trinitarian sects of christianity. Many of which precede the idea of a trinity, look up Arianism, the philosophy of Arius (not to be confused with Aryanism the nazi ideology). In fact the concept of the trinity has it's roots in celtic paganism. These philosophies were adopted at the council of trent in the 1500s to attract more pagan converts to the roman political... er Caholicism.
whateverbroshutup 1 year ago
@whateverbroshutup "In fact the concept of the trinity has it's roots in celtic paganism"
Nope the Apostle Paul, I would also suggest you look into some credible scholars on the history of the trinity as you seem to have a fastfood education likely from youtube.
"non-trinitarian sects of christianity"
Red-herring
"look up Arianism"
I know all about Arianism, in fact it was supported by Constantine in the later years
corneloup81 1 year ago
@whateverbroshutup "These philosophies were adopted at the council of trent, Roman catholics"
Actually Constantine expelled Athanasius because he debated and argued against the main political ideas of Constantine and his Arianism. I think you have your history all mixed up. Do you even know anything about the council of trent, nicea etc. Nicea was the council that voted on the nature of God. Irenaus long before stated the trinity in the lat 100's
corneloup81 1 year ago
I don't want to address the agurment I addressed it for years. Here is how it works. You ask a question you come back with scrpture. I come back with a scripture and it goes in circles until one of the parties gets board of the debate. OR what has happened on my mission is when you answer the question and they interupt you with another one and they don't let you speak. I've done it all my life. Don't you get it we will both be on our sides fighting each other and nether of us will get anywere.
abomb1230 1 year ago
@abomb1230 Great another logical fallacy, if you cant rebut the argument presented go annoy someone else. Right now you are being arbitrary with mere opinion based on nothing...
corneloup81 1 year ago
@corneloup81 alright lets go in cirlces then... first I must say that nothing was "exposed" here everything the missionaries said is on mormon.org and is public. so i'm not sure what you're "exposing." also the nicene creed is a hybrid of greek idea mixed with what christ taught. The creed stats that God be cannot be comprehended how is that possible to pray to a God you don't know and never will?
abomb1230 1 year ago
@abomb1230 Unfortunately you have not watched the video at all with care.
1. Well first the mormons could not decide between themselves if there was one God or three.
Futhermore the bible says there is only one God and that God knows of no other Gods
2. There was no response to the last argument concerning is God the Father spirit or flesh, Joseph Smith said he seen God the Father in the flesh, the bible clearly teachers Spirits do not have flesh and the Father is spirit
corneloup81 1 year ago
I was a missionary and I had people do what you guys did to me. All you are is anoying and you make the rest of christianity look bad. Why would I want to switch after being treated like crap. All we try to do is help so SUCK MY BALLS
abomb1230 1 year ago
@abomb1230 abomb says "SUCK MY BALLS"
That's great Christian behavior. Anyway as usual you don't address the argument but personally attack people thinking you have a comeback. You should only think you came back with an argument if you are illogical and irrational. As I thought you cannot refute the argument so instead you through out your brains and attack the person instead...
corneloup81 1 year ago
@corneloup81 great Christian behavior. WHAT??? You can't call me a Christian when you don't think i'm one or are you changing the rules now.
abomb1230 1 year ago
@abomb1230 Strawman, I am saying that is not Christian behavior learn some English dude or logical arguments...
corneloup81 1 year ago
@corneloup81 I was possing an argument you don't think i'm Christian so don't call me a christain... typical chaning the subject.
abomb1230 1 year ago
I like what those missionaries are saying, they are much softer and gentler more christianlike. I cant imagine them doing what you guys did to them. I have friens that are mormons, they are the kindest people, not perfect but loving and kind always ready to help out. Note that the guy filming is hiding.
bajsochbajsochbajs 1 year ago
@bajsochbajsochbajs Being nice does not mean one is a christian, how nice was Jesus when He ripped up the temple or John the Baptist when he was calling people brood of vipers? The guy filming is not hiding, we had permission to record this one.
corneloup81 1 year ago
@bajsochbajsochbajs Being nice does not mean someone is right, I reckon the guys that said the earth was flat were really nice, they write very poetically, so according to you the earth is flat.
corneloup81 1 year ago
When it comes to religion, I've decided that the real world is so much more interesting than mythology.
windigo77 1 year ago
what a bunch of bozos
13b1cdw8g 1 year ago
@corneloup81 Now if you want to talk about ignorance of the law, for you to call the USA communist is proof of that. It it were not for the Constitution of the United States, and its copying in hundreds of governments around the world, there would be a lot more real communist states throughout the world! I think it is unfair to video tape people in a private setting without their knowledge and then plaster that onto youtube to make them look bad. Its just the fairness principle in me.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman You can believe all you want but you are truely ignorant. If you search caleb000007 there is another video where they turn and look at the video recorder. So please stop with your playing victim it really shows the ignorance of yourself. Everyone outside of USA knows USA is turning into a police state yor consitution means nothing by the way bush torched it and obama hates it, while he creates preventative detention before people commit crimes
corneloup81 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Furthermore, you fail to actually comment on the christians argument choosing to debate a redherring a logical fallacy. When you come to the true understanding of the scriptures come back.
corneloup81 1 year ago
secret AMBUSH! what has our world come to? secret recordings are really weird, probably because it is illegal to record people without their knowledge in a private setting. what's really weird is when so-called christians are doing this.
Would the missionaries have presented a different message, said things differently, etc., if they knew they were on camera? Yeah, things change that way.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman This was not a secret recording the mormons knew of the camera recording. You knowledge of law is quite poor, any member part of a private conversation can give permission to record even the just the recorder. Next time check out the law before you start to shoot of your mouth and show your ignorance. Regards
corneloup81 1 year ago
@corneloup81 I am SURE that CONSENT is required, and the position of the camera, the angle, etc. the keeping OUT of the non-missionaries from the picture, all looks like a STEALTH operation. It comes across that way. You would be believable IF the missionaries waved hi to the camera once, then we could know you speak the truth. It just looks like secret video that would catch everything from misspeaking to scratching one's self. They don't look like they know a camera is on them!@
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman You can believe all you want but you are truely ignorant, the south Australian listening devices act says that only one person party to a private conversation has to give permission to record and that can be the recorder if he is party to the a private conversation, we are not in fascist USA. If you search caleb000007 there is another video where they turn and look at the video recorder. So please stop with your playing victim it really shows the ignorance of yourself
corneloup81 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Consent is not required by all parties in every state. If you are part of the conversation, in some states, you may record without the others' knowledge. It depends on which state this took place in. But you are right it really needs a public acknowledgement by the two missionaries just to keep everything looking above board. HOWEVER you are choking on a gnat while swallowing the camel of a lie the Mormon church teaches about being saved, even partially, by one's works.
terriergal 1 year ago
"President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene."(History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182) FLDS/LDS Prophet Joseph Smith in 1835 The fifty-six years were passed by 1891
AKEVELFAN 2 years ago
Do Mormons use the bible aswell as the book of mormon?
bibleeana 2 years ago
Yes they use the bible as well as several other books including the pearl of great price and doctrines and covenants
corneloup81 2 years ago
Joseph Smith "retranslated the ENTIRE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS. Brigham Young said the "retranslation" was a fraud and the LDS Church does not use the Jospeh Smith version of the Bible to this very day. They use the King James Version, but it is subordinate to the Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants.
AKEVELFAN 2 years ago
"And Thomas answered and said unto him [JESUS], My Lord and MY GOD."
--John 20:28
Matthew 28-9 And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them, and they came up and took hold of his feet and WORSHIPED HIM.
Jesus is not Satans spirit brother as the Mormons would have everyone believe.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
Mormons use Biblical words that have a completely different meaning. Along with distortions, they have stolen Jewish names and Biblcial verse that is specific to the Jews.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
OK? Where is the refuting?
JohnRhysMusician 2 years ago
1. Well first the mormons could not decide between themselves if there was one God or three.
Futhermore the bible says there is only one God and that God knows of no other Gods
2. There was no response to the last argument concerning is God the Father spirit or flesh, Joseph Smith said he seen God the Father in the flesh, the bible clearly teachers Spirits do not have flesh and the Father is spirit
corneloup81 2 years ago
The trinity and the godhead are the same thing basically. The trinity is new testament and the godhead is old testament.
Mormons believe we hold allegiance to one God, but that men can become Gods, and that God was once a man.
2. The bible does not describe Gods body.
JohnRhysMusician 2 years ago
1. Dont lie to me I have read doctrines and covenants, I even quoted the reference, go back and watch the video and look up the passages about only one God.
2. Joh 4:24 GOD is a SPIRIT.....
Luk 24:39.... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
corneloup81 2 years ago
Do you get the mormon error now?
You did not respond so I guess you do??
corneloup81 2 years ago