Bazz Childress Speaks To The Fayette County KY Constitution Party - 1 of 7

[RedShirtArmy]

Great material. I'm not sure how people hate liberty, but obviously many do.

[12FlyMe]

No more -- Brown was one guy - -on one day, who got his own guys killed. He was goofy, a lunatic.  If there were 500,000 such incidents you might have a point.

Every fucking minute of every fucking day for 80 years dumb fuck, the slavers were using violence to millions dumb fuck, torture rape, whipping, castrations, you name it

To compare a fucking wide spread slave culture to one lunatics one time thing is dumber than bat shit. . But that's the kind of logic sociopaths use.

[NoMoreNeoCons]

Why do you accept 89 years of slavery in the USA but froth at the mouth with cuss words for 4 years of slavery in the Confederacy?

[KentuckyBigDawg]

HL Mencken had this to say about Lincoln's interpretation of the Declaration which 12 FlyMe accepts:

"But let us not forget that [Lincoln's Gettysburg Address] is poetry, not logic. ... the Confederates ..fought for the right of their people to govern themselves. What was the practical effect of [northern victory]? .. the destruction of the old sovereignty of the States,..[now subject to a control]..so effective - they enjoyed scarcely more liberty.. than so many convicts in the penitentiary."

[FreeLunchTax]

Who the fuck cares what the racist fuck Mencken says you fucking idiot?

I would value the words of the slave children who were sold, then walked from Memphis to Atlanta in droves of 200-400 at a time dumb fuck.

How far did Menken have to walk dumb fuck -- at age 8? How many times was he whipped dumb fuck. How many times was he sold dumb fuck.

Go find out what those slave said dumb fuck. They know. Menken did not.

Dumb fuck.

[12FlyMe]

Actually the South had trampled all over the Constitution -- there was no freedom of speech in the South, even for whites, for example.

You could be -- and many were -- arrested and whipped for owning the wrong book.

Also -- there were no free elections in the South for years leading up to Civil War -- even for whites. You had to be pro-slavery just to get on the ballot.

In other words, the South was a lot like Taliban or Saddam -- no free speech, no real elections.

[NoMoreNeoCons]

@12FlyMe, "arrested and whipped for owning the wrong book."

I do know certain books are illegal in Europe and Canada today but haven't heard of this for the Confederacy. Who was arrested and what books were banned?

You had to be pro-slavery just to be on the ballot? I haven't heard this before, please provide a link to the applicable law or webpage. I know that only the Dem/Rep parties are on the ballot in all 50 states. Does that mean that we don't have real elections in today's USA today?

[FreeLunchTax]

No More -- plus -- did you know even in Congress it was illegal to talk bout slavery? The gag rule -- no one in Congress would even mention slavery. This was a huge deal - lasted from like 1832-44. Look it up. Plus there were laws in virtually every Southern state to restrict any thing that could make a slave dissatisifed. Ships were searched for pamphlets or books --

[FreeLunchTax]

No more, re Lincoln not being allowed on the ballot, this was well known. In fact, it was discused at the Lincoln douglas debates.

There is a Youtube video with a snip-it of Lincoln Douglas debate where Lincoln actor mentions it. Youtube Lincoln Douglas Debates - National or Sectional. According to a Wikipedia articl the states where Lincoln was not on the ballot were AL-AR-FL-GA-LA-MS-NC-TN-TX, plus SC

He was on in border states.

[NoMoreNeoCons]

@FreeLunchTax, "Lincoln was not on the ballot in...".

Thanks Free Lunch,

It seems that some things just don't change in American politics. In 1860 the GOP was a new party that had never won a presidential election. That's no excuse to disallow them from the ballot! Likewise, it's always bothered me that the Libertarian, Constitution, Green, Reform Party, etc... can't get their own candidates on the ballot in many states even today. All these years still no free elections in the USA!

[FreeLunchTax]

No More -- you arent getting this. Not only were they not allowed on the ballot -- they would have been killed if they went down there to protest, or campaign.

What you don't seem to grasp, is that the South for 30 years before the Civil War, was a lot like Nazi Germany in 1930's. Violent fucks.

Even the Nazi's didn't rape their slaves then sell their own children to slavery -- but the lunatics in the South did, while praising Jesus.

[NoMoreNeoCons]

@FreeLunchTax

Well, I suppose if it can be said that the South was like nazi Germany then maybe the North was like the Soviet Union. I know a lot of the Union officers were 48'ers of the failed Communist Revolution in Germany. I remember the founder of Communism wrote to Lincoln in support.

Of course, northerners were plenty violent too. For one I think abolitionist John Brown was a convicted murderer that advocated and practiced terrorism.

[RedShirtArmy]

The South was nothing like Nazi Germany and the North was little like the USSR. I would say the North was closer in its economic positions and expansionist policies to Fascist Italy. the South, with the glaring exception of Black slavery, maintained the Jeffersonian principles of limited government and thus was unlike any totalitarian regime of the 20th century founded upon varying types of aggressive collectivist thought..

[12FlyMe]

Utter nonsense. The Confederacy was based on exactly the OPPOSITE of the Declaration of Indpendence.

In fact, both Davis and Stephens said exactly that.

Stephens said it quite clearly " Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition"

[12FlyMe]

Davis said much the same thing -- Jan 5, 1863

"it ought not to be considered improper in me to vindicate the position which has been, at an early day of this Southern republic assumed by the Confederacy, namely, that slavery is the corner-stone of a Western Republic

Nor did the South give a hoot about "states rights" -- they hated anything which limited slave power and profit, including states rights.

[NoMoreNeoCons]

@12FlyMe

Well, so did Lincoln.

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it"

"I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors...hold office, nor of intermarriages...forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality...I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man."