@l337pwnage thats not the point. the point is that america cant just invade any random country just cuz. just cuz we have all the weapons doesnt mean we should make all the rules
regardless saddam was a brutish tyrant, and iraqis will adjust to democracy and tolerance over a several devade period, as a lot of countries in the middle east are doing at this time. war was unethical and should not have been done and will bite america in the ass, but whatever. iraqis benefit in the end after kill
@vtran31 You might have heard about this group called the "UN", they were involved in that too. The US just does 90% of the work, like pretty much most international situations.
@l337pwnage and the un were actiely opposed to the war we unilaterally launched on the poor town called iraq. they were still trying out diplomatic options when bushie boy galavanted in and fucked everything up
@neverfearchrisishere You need to stop reading left-wing blogs, lol. I never heard of nukes being found, certainly nothing in the conventional sense.
However, I think the entire middle east has reassessed their opinions about us, though. I think we crossed a line they thought we wouldn't and we aren't quite the paper tiger they thought we were. Iran is gonna have to make some hard decisions about its future also.
@l337pwnage I agree no nukes were found - they WERE however the justification for war.
George Bush repeatedly stated that in many MANY speeches that you can easily watch. It was only later that they tried to spin it to be 'regime change to help the Iraqi people'.
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Actually the Aluminium pipes were presented before the UN as evidence for WMD's By General colin Powel... and though I agree no nukes were found - they WERE however the justification for war.
@neverfearchrisishere Actually, the only WMD's that we really knew he had at one time were chemical. There was concern that Sadam was ATTEMPTING to get nukes and the push to invade was to make sure we invaded BEFORE HE HAD THEM. If we actually thought he had functional nukes, we probably would not have invaded due to the risk of him using them.
You need to read more than just democrat talking points.
You also need to take your own advice and moveondotorg, lol.
@l337pwnage My point was, that they found no signs whatsoever of a nuclear development program. Which was the sole justification (before the war began) for the invasion.
The concern was based upon what was incredibly flawed intelligence (aka, aluminium pipes, the testamony of a taxi driver) which they knew at the time (and members of the administration have stated their concerns since).. It was the equivalent of taking your friends word on something he had heard down the pub.
@neverfearchrisishere That was not the only reason we were there, first of all, or we'd already be in Iran now. There is a history of events you libtards always ignore and and you keep trotting out your one trick pony which asserts things that are flat out false.
If we HAD found significant evidence of an advanced nuke program, that would have ONLY STARTED a more serious search for those who supplied him the materials. This was the best outcome we could hope for.
@l337pwnage It was the one and only reason that the Bush administration presented to the UN. I can't help that. They gave no other justification. And the Justification they gave was flawed. If you can see another justification they gave pre war to the UN, then be my geust.
Dude, seriously you rock so hard! Ending was bit dramatic but you are right. You are absolutely right. And all free humans should be as passionate in this cause as you are. We should all fight against superstition, in every media, constantly, 24/7. Untill we end these disgusting bronze-age cults.
Answering the poster of the video's question, Yes, I can imagine someone initiating violence based on religious fanaticism !! None of us have to imagine, it is very real.
Listen it's quite simple ....STOP DRINKING THE TAP WATER, THERE POISONING IT! How else to account for the stupidity?
Wouldn't it be funny if Bush turned out to be the self-same force he was purportedly fighting? To wit evil incarnate supposedly fighting the forces of evil! Pox on George W. Bush.
Perhaps Bush does it for that reason but it would not serpise me if the congress declared war for all those logical reason you mentioned. Plus It would not surprise me if lobbyist wanted war as it is a military industrial complex. The banks want it to continue as it would hold off the collapse a little longer to do more ruling. The US Gov notice Iraq planing on changing to Euro and that would not work well with the US dollar.
iits true that these irrational beliefs are indeed very dangerous particularly when they infect the powerful. I dont think what people believe can or should ever be controlled. But relatively small groups numbers wise like the Israel lobby and the evangelicals hold a disporportionate amount of political power. What needs to be done is find a way to blunt their influence, then let them go on believing as they wish in a way that doesnt harm anyone else. The question is how do we go about it.?
There is a 666 and a 777 every hundred years. Thats like saying that 12-21-2001 is a correct end date for the world because its 12 twice a day. What does 666 refer to? Do you know? Do you know what Libellus is? You can find out when the book of revelation was written and what they are talking about when you know what libellus is. Hint: Its not a mark thats coming in some distant future it had already been used. Religious extremism is and ignorance are malignant tumors in our society.
it also says in the bible that near the end days people will turn against god and disbelieve, laugh at, and ridicule religion, and blame religion for all the things bad. truth be told that its actually CLASH of religion and FAULSE religion, and people pulling the blindfold over other peoples eyes and blaming religion on everything, these people are faulse prophets. have you heard of the new world order? this is taking place, prophecies ARE being fufilled. do some research and think about it
This is standard British rhetorical style. I had no idea what your point was going to be until 5:06. Why does it take so long to get to the point? Why was unable to have any idea where you were going with this until that far in? Your title led me to believe you were going to discuss a real reason for the war, not some bullshit excuse used to trick people into supporting it. Any observant person knows there are lies surrounding wars, but your title made me think you were going to uncover truth.
This video is ridiculous, I mean its like he has no concept of intelligence or logical train of thought.
-He should try to end the virus by walking into a church and blowing himself up. he should personally kill every known virus on earth. Then he would be righteous. RELIGION is the virus, kill, kill, kill. Kill them all!!! purge the world you fucking psycho Nazi prick.
@brentsrx7 no actually i think you are ridiculous. he is obviously intelligent. he has evidence and his argument is very logical and it backs up the point he is trying to make. just because YOU dont agree with people's opinions doesnt mean they are wrong so why cant you just accept that. if youd watch any other video's by this guy you would see that he is non-agressive so no, he doesnt want to see people killed and isnt a pycho nazi. i think you need therapy.
@chewingsisgay If he had done some real research on the subject he would have drawn a conclusion more based in reality. Iraq was invaded because of American interest in mid east oil. Saddam used a uranium bomb on the curds. so yes wmd's. He said that he wanted to hunt down and kill the virus? how is this psychopath "peaceful" again?
@chewingsisgay I have read in no more then once source about this insane supposed phone call between these world leaders. How is a supposedly logical man, base his entire argument on one unreliable source??? how. How about you give me some more sources? if you can, I could give him some credit if you could.
@brentsrx7 dude, im not an expert you are the one with the problem so you look it up mate. im just saying he is intelligent and he has freedom of speech to say what he believes so leave him alone. i dont agree completely with what he is saying either but thats not excuse to make a big deal. having different world views is just part of being a human being so get over it.
@chewingsisgay Yes he has the freedom of speech, I have the freedom to criticize as well, in no way am i stopping him. Sry, but he wants to kill the disease, He definitely has the problem. His problem has given me a problem, like being afraid that he is going to kill me.
America is the Bully at school who bashes the little kids for lunch money and thats why the rest of the world fears, hates it and wants to see its downfall. Bush was just a braindead puppet for something much larger. man, i get what you are saying about religion. it scares the shit out of me. im definitely catching what you are throwing.
@chewingsisgay The bully by proving trillions of dollars in disaster releaf money? stationing companies like UNICEF and the Red Cross all over the world. A bully by keeping the soviets from expanding further into western Europe? A bully that drastically increased the worlds standard of living by enacting a fair trade agreement. A bully that always gives back a country that has been occupied after a war.
@brentsrx7 thats cool that you have that view. whats a bet you are an american though? the red cross began in britain actually and it has set up companies all throughout the world since its inception in WW1. and why do you think there needs to be organisations such as unicef? maybe because of the gross contrast between extreme wealth and extreme poverty in this world set up by extreme capitalist nations such as,you guessed it -- America.
@chewingsisgay So it never occurred to you that the United States dramatically improved the standard of living of people all over the world? because anyone who looks at any capitalist nation like say, Japan, South Korea, or the finally developing china, would realize that an open market breeds innovation that spawns new economic growth and more universal prosperity. how about you compare nations like North and south Korea. How about you look at the opportunities in the United States.
@chewingsisgay So America is oppressing the world then right? like how Chairman Mao killed millions of starvation in his nation and in camps. Like how Stalin, Lenin, killed millions in his. like how both of their economies collapsed under this restrictive single state "communist" regimes. Like how the world has never seen such advances in medicine or economic growth as quickly as the advent of capitalist backed free international trade. you are pathetic for leaving such a backwards comment.
@brentsrx7 i accept and even agree with your view that america did help in preventing the spread of communism throughout europe after WW2 because as we all know, the actual practice of communism is somewhat dystopic compared to the ideology. the effects could have been distasterous. speaking of fair trade how about the 'fair' trade america has with Cuba. the trade embargo actually forced cuba to turn to the USSR for economic support and resulted in the missile crisis. this is only one example.
@chewingsisgay A bully that allows all of western Europe to fly under their own banners after WW2 even rebuilding it with the Marshall plan. A bully who always sets up a democracy after tearing down a cruel dictatorship. you have no fucking idea how bad things would be if say Russia was the worlds major superpower, or china. you would be in prison right now being mutilated for even criticizing and thinking freely, for sharing you opinion on you tube.
@brentsrx7 i dont know if you are aware of this but 80% of the money france was given through the marshall plan actually funded the first Indochinese war. so America was indirectly waging war on innocent people who only wished to be liberated from Imperialistic domination. i can accept that the world would be different, if not, aweful place if ruled by communism but you simply cannot make America out to be the hero in this situation because it is not. it is more often and not the aggrivator.
@brentsrx7 the 80% came from an article on Questia by an Historian named Sami Abouzahr 'the tangled web: America, France and Indochina 1947-50'. quote: 'by the time the french abandoned the effort after the cataztrophic defeat at Dien Bien Phu, the US was financing 80 per cent of the french war effort'. althought i know this statistic off by heart as i am a modern history student currently studying the Vietnam war.
@chewingsisgay I will take your word, but your initial criticism is still invalid. How can you even compare these relatively minor atrocities, to the ones committed by other world powers?
@chewingsisgay Yes I can. It is not perfect on many fronts but you really must first understand that i was arguing economic systems. you seem to be arguing a variety of subjects ranging from influence to international policy? I would try to weigh the positive and negative influences brought on by the advent of modern "Americanism". The overwhelming benefit drastically outweighs the side effect.
@brentsrx7 yeah man. i understand that but you seriously need to just calm down. im not going to have a fight with somebody over YouTube just coz i said my opinion and you disagree. you have just blaitantly attacked me for no good reason.
@chewingsisgay i cant stand the level of ignorance that plagues our world today. There is not big evil christian agenda, Christ taught only peace and mutual understanding, turning the other cheek, love your neighbor as your self. This ignorant twat is quoting the old testament which is the old covenant for all of you idiots who have no understanding of Christianity, this is not relevant to modern Judeo Christianity post Christ.
@brentsrx7 why are you directing this comment at me? i have said nothing against christianity and i dont believe i even mentioned it. all i have said that in extreme cases religion is bad. its like any ideology, in theory it is good but in practice that theory can be distorted. wars are always waged over religion, but religion is the excuse used. it is people who start the wars. peoples minds are evil.
@chewingsisgay All of what this guy says is easily discredited if anybody actually decides to do a little of their own research, but alas its you tube, the home of the ignorant.
As Karl Marx said, religion is the 'opiate of the masses'. iraq is just another case of American 'new Imperialism'. same as Cuba and the Indochinese wars. thats why they are called a Capitalist nation. all their policies are geared towards economic gain. rape and pillage. thats what they do. any anyone who says its not true is obviously victim to the censorship, propaganda or their own clouded, naive view of religion and this world.
As Karl Marx said, religion is the 'opiate of the masses'. iraq is just another case of American 'new Imperialism'. same as Cuba and the Indochinese wars. thats why they are called a Capitalist nation. all their policies are geared towards economic gain. rape and pillage. thats what they do. any anyone who says its not true is obviously victim to the censorship, propaganda or their own clouded, naive view of religion and this world.
The way I see it is that religions are used by politicians or anyone else that wants to control a people as means to justify violence for their own personal gain. In their own right religions are relatively harmless, but one can easily misguide with them and use the "followers" ignorance of theologies to cause great harm.
A hammer can be used to build a home for the homeless, but in the wrong hands it can be used to murder the homeless.
without this invasion, who knows what else the terrorists would have targeted. Another thing is about this religious talk that is in this video, wars are not fought because of what someone believes, they are fought because of what someone does, and you mentioned the death ratio at the end being 134 times the number in the Holocaust. I'm pretty sure that all of Germany and everyone else over there has put that behind them, and I believe its time for the U.S. to do the same.
it's those brainless assholes who join the army that deserve death , the military is an useless institution that shouldn't exist in the modern society
@Montagues4life Since when Iraq wants to destroy US?, on what intellect-forsaken world are you living in...invading Iraq is nothing more than a fast economic solution implemented by the gouvernment for the US's current situation....War is money, and money is everything a country wants(especially the power hungry rich assholes who control US)!
Peace can't be obtained by war....only peace brings peace.
@mihaimoldo You must not have read it, because if you would have read my comment, you would have realized that I did not say that Iraq wanted to destroy us, I said terrorists wanted to, so before you go and try to correct me or whatever you thought you were doing. I think you must have been droped when you were a baby.
The motive wasn't religion. It was oil and empire. Bush might have justified it by citing religion, but then he wouldn't be the first one in history to do so.
@bjorinn All Iraqi oil was nationalized under S Hussein so there probably aren't oil companies in the traditional sense. The oil fields are still nationalized and the democratically elected gov of Iraq has been taking bids from companies aroung the world to come in and pump it for them. Last month a winning bid from a consortium of Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas (Malaysia's state oil 'company') was to pump 1.8 million barrels a day for a fee of 1.39 per barrel. THE IRAQI GOV CONTROLS THIS OIL!
@bjorinn this I do believe, noone would fight a war because of religion, the only reason why the Nazis did, is because they had no other solution,(I mean the citizens) except for being shot or burned in a death camp.
@bjorinn If America invaded Iraq for oil and all that shit, they would've taken it over long long ago. Retard. No wait. You're worse than retarded. You're Swedish. lol
@Septimondo America is the land of arrogance. I hope you "enjoy" the collapse or your "great" nation. Or in other words... I hope you suffer. And if you ever ask for help, I will be happy do deny it.
The world hates you, and you can't even see it. I, and the rest of the world, will piss on your grave.
@bjorinn Fuck yeah we're arrogant. We have every right to be so. We're the ones with the artillery to back it up. Might makes right. Respect is garbage. Fear will keep you weaklings in your place. All hail the Great Satan!
@bjorinn Probably True. Yet consider for a moment that even using religion as an excuse 'to another head of state - in private,' rather than to the usual despised masses, suggests that Bush takes those beliefs seriously and assumed that the French head of state must also take them seriously.
Actually I do agree with you. Even though there are alot of half Christians who only believe in the good part of Christianity.
At some point it must stop. Otherwise the chances are the Christian will end up fulfilling their own prophecy if they keep try to merge Church and State.
Separate the Church and State is in the U.S Constitution, and we need to make sure it is carried out. Leave Religion out of the Government, and bibles out of schools.
OK , the us is a superpower so the goverment wants to kno whats their weakness and found out if a big war were to happen oil will be their biggest weakness therefore tey came out with a plan to try to get oil from the middle east so what happen the countries in da middle east didnt want to negotiate enough oil so what the us did try to come out with a plan to somehow invade prats of the oil rich middle east..man this thing goes back to the 60s even the 50s.
I feel that you're being intellectually dishonest posting this.
Much like the money system, those at the top know exactly what they're doing and that it's all BS they sprout to contol the ignorant masses....very effective it is too.
The main reason the US invaded Iraq was to protect the Petrodollar cycle the Saddam tried to interrupt.
Bush was just taking the piss in hoping the French Pres would swallow his BS
I'll bet they had a good laugh about it in the pentigon :o)
since you now question certain motives used to justify mass murder, you might also choose to look into other matters more closely. you might be surprised to find that most reports of history are not what they first seem.
I absolutely agree with this. I do not think people really understand how religion can completely dominate someone's thinking. My family, who are Christians, believe the war on terrorism is a spiritual battle. To them Satan is a real person responsible for the evil in this world. Rational thinking and behavior goes out the window. There is nothing more frightening then seeing other-wise sane and peaceful people accept and support violence because "it's what God wants."
NWOtalk? Part of this is to wipe religions away, so then there is nothing to stop the complete manipulation of people by the elite. Bush is religious fake just like 0bama, if anything they want to use that facade as part of the destruction to allow man to Control man. Leaving no other choice than believe what the Elite want you to. In the Christian aspect. God gives people the choice to believe or not.. In the Atheist aspect you have no choice. Cannot one see the obvious desire for control?
Is it b/c the war is unpopular and you hope to connect the two? There are plenty of reasons to reject religion, this is hardly one of them. Come on, you're above Michale Moore, aren't you? Why not stick to the lack of empirical evidence?
It's not wrong that leaders initiate wars on such pretenses as God told them to do so. And if that French politicians says Bush told him so I don't see why it's unbelievable. Come on, there are a lot of evidence out there of world leaders or their wives consulting psychics before big events to try to know the future or know which decision to take. Psychics have been to the white house many times over the last decades and Bush does go to the Bohemian Grove with the other world leaders.
Stefan-Although I agree w/ you about the horrors of gov't and religion, you're wrong about this one. The Iraq war was about Rumsfeld and Cheney trying to cover their asses for the work they did in the 80's. They sold the WMD to Saddam and even if there wasn't intelligence to prove that Saddam had the WMD, they were certain that he did and that the ends would justify the means.
Rumsfeld and Cheney had good intentions w/ poor results, which is the same old story of gov't. To suggest that this war is about religion or freedom is missing the point, no matter what BUSH said.
I agree with roccman 2003. Stephan lost me when he "implied'" THAT foreign terroists ( with those photos making me laugh ) took the World Tade Center down. IMHO you are waaaaaaay off and it kind of makes me wonder how you process evidence. Power, Oil & money = war . Those ARE the top driving forces even if wrapped in religion. The big players - Power, oil & money ..that's it Stephan and I do not care how you can/ will disagree.
People actually think that people in power aren't influenced much by religion...however as you pointed they are just as superstitious as the regular masses.
Stef, I think you're off on this point. Not about the danger of religion, but on Bush's motivation.
First off, religion is for the masses, not the leaders. You don't actually think that sociopath believes in god and religion, do you? That's a show for the voters. I know you don't care much for the Alex Jones/Bohemian Grove stuff, and I agree it's not that important, but in this case it contributes to this thesis.
Second, even if Bush was a religious nut, he has no power. He's a figurehead
Religion is a cancer of the mind, thankfully religion is in decline in America, so hopefully we see a more pragmatic and centrist America in the future...one that isn't hijacked by religious fanatics and those corrupted by the raw power of the US government.
I believe that your disgust for President Bush may have gotten the better of your judgement here. Your story sounds more like a conspiracy theory than anything else, which may explain why mainstream media ignores it.
I think Stef's wrong, too, but not because it's a "conspiracy theory". I am so fucking tired of that term, and I have nothing but contempt for people that have a knee-jerk reaction to any claim that isn't part of mainstream mythology, and label it "conspiracy theory" as if they had done right and deserved a cookie from their masters for properly mocking the unbelievers, rather than simply and consistently applying the same standards of reason and evidence across the board, regardless of claim.
Maybe, let's say it takes......5 reasons to have a good war. Once you have five reasons then there will be enough people on differant sides arguing that you can procede with the destruction under the radar.
So many people are talking about whether this or that is the reason for the war that the war mongers are laughing...secretly knowing that everyone one is right but too divided to do anything.
As much as I agree about the stupidity of religion, I can't aprove of the "war" you imply against religion: with all of it's flaws, religion is still VOLUNTARY. Guns don't kill people, people do...
Voluntary? When a robber holds a gun to your head and says pay me or die, do you VOLUNTARILY give him your wallet? Do children have a say in whether their parents teach them that an old man built a wooden boat 3 football fields in length and 3 stories high and was able to get every animal in it and float for a year with enough ventilation, food for the carnivores and Magical Feces Remover (tm)?
Religion (the big 3) is forced upon helpless children who cannot yet discern fable from reality.
Religion is just a tool; it can in fact be practiced voluntarily. Whether or not it is a voluntary choice by children to believe that nonsense depends upon the situation.
A more clear slogan might be: a war on force and intimidation of the helpless to believe X, where X is any claim.
Along these lines, every thing you say to a child can be seen as coercive, an intrusion and so on, by someone who doesn't agree. Can you actually speak at all to someone under 18? Voluntary= a situation where NO PHYSICAL ASSAULT ON PERSON OR PHYSICAL PROPERTY OCCOURS. Ergo, religion=voluntary. Statists think non-physical agression ca be coercive. Sorry Stef, can't follow you there. To slippery a road.
That's because MAN told you that.The simple fact that we have freedom of choice means god wants you to worship him/it freely.The Creator in its infinite wisdom understands coercion,and that any relationship must be built on consent.
God has never talked to humankind in the collective,noticed how it's always somebody alone on a hill,or in a cave,or in the forest.
Is your mind closed about Santa Claus? I've heard tons of arguments for god and none of them convince me in the least. All the while, there is a lot of evidence against a god. I tend to go with the preponderance of evidence.
Religion isn´t voluntary when you´re raised by fanatics in a fanatic-based surrounding..This goes for -every- religion, philosophy or ideal that you can think of.
War against religion isn´t the solution, not as in "armed combat" atleast. Logic hasn´t worked either..Ridicule works, but is frowned upon.. so what´s left? A deaf ear?
Indeed, atheists need to wake up to the fact that religious fanatics are the most dangerous ppl in the world...and unfortunately religious fanatics can only be stopped with violence since they agree to the use of violence to push their doctrines and ideologies on the 'non-believers'.
I do not believe that violence amounts to anything useful and of course violence only brings about more violence....however that being said the reality is that countless fanatics are more than willing to use violence against anyone to force their beliefs and ideals on others...religion is still fuelling wars all over the world...I choose not to fight but if someone comes knocking home one day and says I have to pray to his God or die I see no other choice but to defend myself and my family.
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Religious people are sick in the head
glennirish 2 months ago
the burning bush,i prefer a shaved bush myself
glennirish 2 months ago
i have 0 respect for all religions
glennirish 2 months ago
Ya, it is too bad we disturbed the peaceful paradise that Iraq was, lol.
l337pwnage 2 months ago
@l337pwnage thats not the point. the point is that america cant just invade any random country just cuz. just cuz we have all the weapons doesnt mean we should make all the rules
regardless saddam was a brutish tyrant, and iraqis will adjust to democracy and tolerance over a several devade period, as a lot of countries in the middle east are doing at this time. war was unethical and should not have been done and will bite america in the ass, but whatever. iraqis benefit in the end after kill
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31 You might have heard about this group called the "UN", they were involved in that too. The US just does 90% of the work, like pretty much most international situations.
You know nothing of even recent world history.
l337pwnage 2 months ago
@l337pwnage and the un were actiely opposed to the war we unilaterally launched on the poor town called iraq. they were still trying out diplomatic options when bushie boy galavanted in and fucked everything up
learn som facts, dipshit
vtran31 2 months ago
@vtran31 ug, I see no point in spoon feeding you the history.
l337pwnage 2 months ago
@l337pwnage Weren't they the ones you tried to make believe that 40mm aluminium pipes are definate proof of Nukes?
neverfearchrisishere 2 months ago
@neverfearchrisishere You need to stop reading left-wing blogs, lol. I never heard of nukes being found, certainly nothing in the conventional sense.
However, I think the entire middle east has reassessed their opinions about us, though. I think we crossed a line they thought we wouldn't and we aren't quite the paper tiger they thought we were. Iran is gonna have to make some hard decisions about its future also.
l337pwnage 2 months ago
@l337pwnage I agree no nukes were found - they WERE however the justification for war.
George Bush repeatedly stated that in many MANY speeches that you can easily watch. It was only later that they tried to spin it to be 'regime change to help the Iraqi people'.
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Actually the Aluminium pipes were presented before the UN as evidence for WMD's By General colin Powel... and though I agree no nukes were found - they WERE however the justification for war.
George Bush repeatedly stated that.
neverfearchrisishere 2 months ago
@neverfearchrisishere Actually, the only WMD's that we really knew he had at one time were chemical. There was concern that Sadam was ATTEMPTING to get nukes and the push to invade was to make sure we invaded BEFORE HE HAD THEM. If we actually thought he had functional nukes, we probably would not have invaded due to the risk of him using them.
You need to read more than just democrat talking points.
You also need to take your own advice and moveondotorg, lol.
l337pwnage 2 months ago
@l337pwnage My point was, that they found no signs whatsoever of a nuclear development program. Which was the sole justification (before the war began) for the invasion.
The concern was based upon what was incredibly flawed intelligence (aka, aluminium pipes, the testamony of a taxi driver) which they knew at the time (and members of the administration have stated their concerns since).. It was the equivalent of taking your friends word on something he had heard down the pub.
neverfearchrisishere 2 months ago
@neverfearchrisishere That was not the only reason we were there, first of all, or we'd already be in Iran now. There is a history of events you libtards always ignore and and you keep trotting out your one trick pony which asserts things that are flat out false.
If we HAD found significant evidence of an advanced nuke program, that would have ONLY STARTED a more serious search for those who supplied him the materials. This was the best outcome we could hope for.
l337pwnage 2 months ago
@l337pwnage It was the one and only reason that the Bush administration presented to the UN. I can't help that. They gave no other justification. And the Justification they gave was flawed. If you can see another justification they gave pre war to the UN, then be my geust.
neverfearchrisishere 2 months ago
@l337pwnage It was a classic Casus belli
We want to invade, but know we can't for doplomatic reasons.
So we create a justification.
neverfearchrisishere 2 months ago
I don't know how much of this I'm actually buying. However, if it is true, it doesn't surprise me at all.
miss0interpret 3 months ago
Dude, seriously you rock so hard! Ending was bit dramatic but you are right. You are absolutely right. And all free humans should be as passionate in this cause as you are. We should all fight against superstition, in every media, constantly, 24/7. Untill we end these disgusting bronze-age cults.
bary1234 3 months ago
Answering the poster of the video's question, Yes, I can imagine someone initiating violence based on religious fanaticism !! None of us have to imagine, it is very real.
heyjenknee 4 months ago
It is NOT AMERICA , we are the United States of America, get it straight please.
heyjenknee 4 months ago
Listen it's quite simple ....STOP DRINKING THE TAP WATER, THERE POISONING IT! How else to account for the stupidity?
Wouldn't it be funny if Bush turned out to be the self-same force he was purportedly fighting? To wit evil incarnate supposedly fighting the forces of evil! Pox on George W. Bush.
wisdomtrek 5 months ago
Perhaps Bush does it for that reason but it would not serpise me if the congress declared war for all those logical reason you mentioned. Plus It would not surprise me if lobbyist wanted war as it is a military industrial complex. The banks want it to continue as it would hold off the collapse a little longer to do more ruling. The US Gov notice Iraq planing on changing to Euro and that would not work well with the US dollar.
WEH1123 7 months ago
You are a fucking nut and an idiot, and thats the real truth.
miket1m 7 months ago
I thought it was because Saddam Hussein wanted to sell oil in something other than $US, maybe like the Euro. This would've collapsed the $US sooner.
JohnnyHorton 7 months ago
@stefbot If you had to choose between an anti-statist theist, or a statist atheist, who would you choose?
To me one's opposition to the state is far more important than their lack of theism.
cincofone 8 months ago
iits true that these irrational beliefs are indeed very dangerous particularly when they infect the powerful. I dont think what people believe can or should ever be controlled. But relatively small groups numbers wise like the Israel lobby and the evangelicals hold a disporportionate amount of political power. What needs to be done is find a way to blunt their influence, then let them go on believing as they wish in a way that doesnt harm anyone else. The question is how do we go about it.?
lerch25 8 months ago
"perhaps one trillion dollars"?? No Stefan, perhaps THREE trillion dollars. Check out Three Trillion Dollar War by Joseph Stiglitz
themensoguidetowar 9 months ago
Bush's stupidity makes this story certainly plausible.
rubberbaby00 10 months ago
Obama is Muslim.
CynosuralTheory 10 months ago
pretty naive to think that iraq war had anything to do with religion...
huge oil and gas deposits are again just a "small" coincidence...
Darusdei 11 months ago
whats ur nationality
chelseafc529 11 months ago
The political leaders of the world are far from godly Christians.There God is Lucifer .
deadreck024 1 year ago
Religion is for the weak!
kobeodom24 1 year ago
666 refers to the 6th sign, 6th seal and 6th trumpet (a date in time).
Jesus will return at 7-7-7.
That's the hidden meaning behind prophecy in Revelation, Daniel, Ezekial, etc.
Is it true?
I will let you be the judge.
AcePilot101 1 year ago
@AcePilot
There is a 666 and a 777 every hundred years. Thats like saying that 12-21-2001 is a correct end date for the world because its 12 twice a day. What does 666 refer to? Do you know? Do you know what Libellus is? You can find out when the book of revelation was written and what they are talking about when you know what libellus is. Hint: Its not a mark thats coming in some distant future it had already been used. Religious extremism is and ignorance are malignant tumors in our society.
Symbolc0729 1 year ago
Magog (Russia) and Gog (Iran) are allies.
They want to destroy the (Zionist) state of Israel.
The New World Order is controlled by the banks (London Financial District) and rules the USA through the Federal Reserve System.
A nuclear war against Israel will result in the genocide of millions of people.
God? The only "god" is truth - and believe me friends, the truth is out there!
The Book of Revelation declares that 6-6-6 is the "number" of a man (Antichrist) who will rule Jerusalem.
AcePilot101 1 year ago
it also says in the bible that near the end days people will turn against god and disbelieve, laugh at, and ridicule religion, and blame religion for all the things bad. truth be told that its actually CLASH of religion and FAULSE religion, and people pulling the blindfold over other peoples eyes and blaming religion on everything, these people are faulse prophets. have you heard of the new world order? this is taking place, prophecies ARE being fufilled. do some research and think about it
aussie1990jaime 1 year ago
This is standard British rhetorical style. I had no idea what your point was going to be until 5:06. Why does it take so long to get to the point? Why was unable to have any idea where you were going with this until that far in? Your title led me to believe you were going to discuss a real reason for the war, not some bullshit excuse used to trick people into supporting it. Any observant person knows there are lies surrounding wars, but your title made me think you were going to uncover truth.
DerangedRanger1 1 year ago
This video is ridiculous, I mean its like he has no concept of intelligence or logical train of thought.
-He should try to end the virus by walking into a church and blowing himself up. he should personally kill every known virus on earth. Then he would be righteous. RELIGION is the virus, kill, kill, kill. Kill them all!!! purge the world you fucking psycho Nazi prick.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 no actually i think you are ridiculous. he is obviously intelligent. he has evidence and his argument is very logical and it backs up the point he is trying to make. just because YOU dont agree with people's opinions doesnt mean they are wrong so why cant you just accept that. if youd watch any other video's by this guy you would see that he is non-agressive so no, he doesnt want to see people killed and isnt a pycho nazi. i think you need therapy.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay psycho *
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay If he had done some real research on the subject he would have drawn a conclusion more based in reality. Iraq was invaded because of American interest in mid east oil. Saddam used a uranium bomb on the curds. so yes wmd's. He said that he wanted to hunt down and kill the virus? how is this psychopath "peaceful" again?
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay I have read in no more then once source about this insane supposed phone call between these world leaders. How is a supposedly logical man, base his entire argument on one unreliable source??? how. How about you give me some more sources? if you can, I could give him some credit if you could.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 dude, im not an expert you are the one with the problem so you look it up mate. im just saying he is intelligent and he has freedom of speech to say what he believes so leave him alone. i dont agree completely with what he is saying either but thats not excuse to make a big deal. having different world views is just part of being a human being so get over it.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay Yes he has the freedom of speech, I have the freedom to criticize as well, in no way am i stopping him. Sry, but he wants to kill the disease, He definitely has the problem. His problem has given me a problem, like being afraid that he is going to kill me.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
Or maybe its about oil you twat.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
Religion is a meme disease, a disorder of the human mind.
tubetib 1 year ago
America is the Bully at school who bashes the little kids for lunch money and thats why the rest of the world fears, hates it and wants to see its downfall. Bush was just a braindead puppet for something much larger. man, i get what you are saying about religion. it scares the shit out of me. im definitely catching what you are throwing.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay The bully by proving trillions of dollars in disaster releaf money? stationing companies like UNICEF and the Red Cross all over the world. A bully by keeping the soviets from expanding further into western Europe? A bully that drastically increased the worlds standard of living by enacting a fair trade agreement. A bully that always gives back a country that has been occupied after a war.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 thats cool that you have that view. whats a bet you are an american though? the red cross began in britain actually and it has set up companies all throughout the world since its inception in WW1. and why do you think there needs to be organisations such as unicef? maybe because of the gross contrast between extreme wealth and extreme poverty in this world set up by extreme capitalist nations such as,you guessed it -- America.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay So it never occurred to you that the United States dramatically improved the standard of living of people all over the world? because anyone who looks at any capitalist nation like say, Japan, South Korea, or the finally developing china, would realize that an open market breeds innovation that spawns new economic growth and more universal prosperity. how about you compare nations like North and south Korea. How about you look at the opportunities in the United States.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay So America is oppressing the world then right? like how Chairman Mao killed millions of starvation in his nation and in camps. Like how Stalin, Lenin, killed millions in his. like how both of their economies collapsed under this restrictive single state "communist" regimes. Like how the world has never seen such advances in medicine or economic growth as quickly as the advent of capitalist backed free international trade. you are pathetic for leaving such a backwards comment.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay Sry yr right about red cross though.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 i accept and even agree with your view that america did help in preventing the spread of communism throughout europe after WW2 because as we all know, the actual practice of communism is somewhat dystopic compared to the ideology. the effects could have been distasterous. speaking of fair trade how about the 'fair' trade america has with Cuba. the trade embargo actually forced cuba to turn to the USSR for economic support and resulted in the missile crisis. this is only one example.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay A bully that allows all of western Europe to fly under their own banners after WW2 even rebuilding it with the Marshall plan. A bully who always sets up a democracy after tearing down a cruel dictatorship. you have no fucking idea how bad things would be if say Russia was the worlds major superpower, or china. you would be in prison right now being mutilated for even criticizing and thinking freely, for sharing you opinion on you tube.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 i dont know if you are aware of this but 80% of the money france was given through the marshall plan actually funded the first Indochinese war. so America was indirectly waging war on innocent people who only wished to be liberated from Imperialistic domination. i can accept that the world would be different, if not, aweful place if ruled by communism but you simply cannot make America out to be the hero in this situation because it is not. it is more often and not the aggrivator.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay My reading would Sharply disagree with 80% plz site that info plz.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 the 80% came from an article on Questia by an Historian named Sami Abouzahr 'the tangled web: America, France and Indochina 1947-50'. quote: 'by the time the french abandoned the effort after the cataztrophic defeat at Dien Bien Phu, the US was financing 80 per cent of the french war effort'. althought i know this statistic off by heart as i am a modern history student currently studying the Vietnam war.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay I will take your word, but your initial criticism is still invalid. How can you even compare these relatively minor atrocities, to the ones committed by other world powers?
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 Omg ! SHUT UP ! i said i dont want to argue with you so stop posting comments to me !
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay Yes I can. It is not perfect on many fronts but you really must first understand that i was arguing economic systems. you seem to be arguing a variety of subjects ranging from influence to international policy? I would try to weigh the positive and negative influences brought on by the advent of modern "Americanism". The overwhelming benefit drastically outweighs the side effect.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 yeah man. i understand that but you seriously need to just calm down. im not going to have a fight with somebody over YouTube just coz i said my opinion and you disagree. you have just blaitantly attacked me for no good reason.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay i cant stand the level of ignorance that plagues our world today. There is not big evil christian agenda, Christ taught only peace and mutual understanding, turning the other cheek, love your neighbor as your self. This ignorant twat is quoting the old testament which is the old covenant for all of you idiots who have no understanding of Christianity, this is not relevant to modern Judeo Christianity post Christ.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
@brentsrx7 why are you directing this comment at me? i have said nothing against christianity and i dont believe i even mentioned it. all i have said that in extreme cases religion is bad. its like any ideology, in theory it is good but in practice that theory can be distorted. wars are always waged over religion, but religion is the excuse used. it is people who start the wars. peoples minds are evil.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
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brentsrx7 1 year ago
@chewingsisgay All of what this guy says is easily discredited if anybody actually decides to do a little of their own research, but alas its you tube, the home of the ignorant.
brentsrx7 1 year ago
As Karl Marx said, religion is the 'opiate of the masses'. iraq is just another case of American 'new Imperialism'. same as Cuba and the Indochinese wars. thats why they are called a Capitalist nation. all their policies are geared towards economic gain. rape and pillage. thats what they do. any anyone who says its not true is obviously victim to the censorship, propaganda or their own clouded, naive view of religion and this world.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
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As Karl Marx said, religion is the 'opiate of the masses'. iraq is just another case of American 'new Imperialism'. same as Cuba and the Indochinese wars. thats why they are called a Capitalist nation. all their policies are geared towards economic gain. rape and pillage. thats what they do. any anyone who says its not true is obviously victim to the censorship, propaganda or their own clouded, naive view of religion and this world.
chewingsisgay 1 year ago
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chewingsisgay 1 year ago
simple , oil and power..
if ur not ignorant, u will know that..
haikallp 1 year ago
GREAT CLAIMS REQUIRE GREAT EVIDENCE. YOU PROVIDED ONE SOURCE, STEF.
rahulk552008 1 year ago
The way I see it is that religions are used by politicians or anyone else that wants to control a people as means to justify violence for their own personal gain. In their own right religions are relatively harmless, but one can easily misguide with them and use the "followers" ignorance of theologies to cause great harm.
A hammer can be used to build a home for the homeless, but in the wrong hands it can be used to murder the homeless.
OldSmellyCrotch 1 year ago
Weird! It was on 5,666 views when I watched this. So, Bush might've been right? Nah.
BabyHominid 1 year ago
without this invasion, who knows what else the terrorists would have targeted. Another thing is about this religious talk that is in this video, wars are not fought because of what someone believes, they are fought because of what someone does, and you mentioned the death ratio at the end being 134 times the number in the Holocaust. I'm pretty sure that all of Germany and everyone else over there has put that behind them, and I believe its time for the U.S. to do the same.
Montagues4life 1 year ago
Religious stories are pretty asinine.
rockstarofredondo 1 year ago
it's those brainless assholes who join the army that deserve death , the military is an useless institution that shouldn't exist in the modern society
mihaimoldo 1 year ago
@mihaimoldo having an army is what provides protection from those who want to destroy us, and at times, do what must be done, like invading Iraq.
Montagues4life 1 year ago
@Montagues4life Since when Iraq wants to destroy US?, on what intellect-forsaken world are you living in...invading Iraq is nothing more than a fast economic solution implemented by the gouvernment for the US's current situation....War is money, and money is everything a country wants(especially the power hungry rich assholes who control US)!
Peace can't be obtained by war....only peace brings peace.
mihaimoldo 1 year ago
@mihaimoldo You must not have read it, because if you would have read my comment, you would have realized that I did not say that Iraq wanted to destroy us, I said terrorists wanted to, so before you go and try to correct me or whatever you thought you were doing. I think you must have been droped when you were a baby.
Montagues4life 1 year ago
06:45 How do these figures compare to democides of the same time period?
mrsevans1000 1 year ago
BRAVO!!!!!!!! Religion is hypocritical garbage.
kimdaviscali 2 years ago
So THIS is why the wars stopped and ceased to expand after Obama became the President.
Oh, wait...
Obaaaama 2 years ago 15
The motive wasn't religion. It was oil and empire. Bush might have justified it by citing religion, but then he wouldn't be the first one in history to do so.
bjorinn 2 years ago 22
@bjorinn Oil and empire? Well I guess they failed at that too cause the Iraqis have control of their own oil.
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
Really? Do you mean that the Iraqis have their own oil companies and that the profits from selling that oil goes to Iraq and the Iraqi people?
And what is your source for that statement?
bjorinn 2 years ago
@bjorinn All Iraqi oil was nationalized under S Hussein so there probably aren't oil companies in the traditional sense. The oil fields are still nationalized and the democratically elected gov of Iraq has been taking bids from companies aroung the world to come in and pump it for them. Last month a winning bid from a consortium of Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas (Malaysia's state oil 'company') was to pump 1.8 million barrels a day for a fee of 1.39 per barrel. THE IRAQI GOV CONTROLS THIS OIL!
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
@bjorinn Search this: Petronas Royal Dutch Shell Oil Iraq. And you can find a whole bunch of sources.
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
@bjorinn this I do believe, noone would fight a war because of religion, the only reason why the Nazis did, is because they had no other solution,(I mean the citizens) except for being shot or burned in a death camp.
Montagues4life 1 year ago
@bjorinn If America invaded Iraq for oil and all that shit, they would've taken it over long long ago. Retard. No wait. You're worse than retarded. You're Swedish. lol
Septimondo 1 year ago
@Septimondo America is the land of arrogance. I hope you "enjoy" the collapse or your "great" nation. Or in other words... I hope you suffer. And if you ever ask for help, I will be happy do deny it.
The world hates you, and you can't even see it. I, and the rest of the world, will piss on your grave.
bjorinn 1 year ago
@bjorinn Fuck yeah we're arrogant. We have every right to be so. We're the ones with the artillery to back it up. Might makes right. Respect is garbage. Fear will keep you weaklings in your place. All hail the Great Satan!
Septimondo 1 year ago
@bjorinn Probably True. Yet consider for a moment that even using religion as an excuse 'to another head of state - in private,' rather than to the usual despised masses, suggests that Bush takes those beliefs seriously and assumed that the French head of state must also take them seriously.
brindlebriar 1 year ago
@bjorinn
Actually if it was oil and empire, it would be a Christian empire.
Neosaigo 9 months ago
Actually I do agree with you. Even though there are alot of half Christians who only believe in the good part of Christianity.
At some point it must stop. Otherwise the chances are the Christian will end up fulfilling their own prophecy if they keep try to merge Church and State.
Separate the Church and State is in the U.S Constitution, and we need to make sure it is carried out. Leave Religion out of the Government, and bibles out of schools.
Neosaigo 9 months ago
Stef. You told it like it is. Have you ever read Rudolf Dreikurs: Social Equality?
w1ck3dz0d1ac 2 years ago
your full of it and you kno it
your full of fantasy and religion paranoia
most christians and catholic are fucking hypocrites and yes i do believe in god
but i dont go bragging about it all my life
millph90 2 years ago
dude they want you to think it is for oil.
3thought 2 years ago
it is for oil
OK , the us is a superpower so the goverment wants to kno whats their weakness and found out if a big war were to happen oil will be their biggest weakness therefore tey came out with a plan to try to get oil from the middle east so what happen the countries in da middle east didnt want to negotiate enough oil so what the us did try to come out with a plan to somehow invade prats of the oil rich middle east..man this thing goes back to the 60s even the 50s.
millph90 2 years ago
It was not just for oil and that was my point.
3thought 2 years ago
hey cool people get flagged for criticizing religion. i often wonder why stefan's account hasn't been suspended yet like so many others.
1schwererziehbar1 2 years ago
"people believe this shit"
i wouldnt have put it better myself. because religion IS shit
Blazikenrjcf 2 years ago 2
Yu speak the truth thnx
iClassicPkerx7 2 years ago
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ctvwr 2 years ago
I on the other hand think that you may just be the must intellectually honest person to post on the web! great work!
wilbertbenjamin 2 years ago 3
Thank you so much for your very kind words, I hope that I will continue to earn your trust! :)
stefbot 2 years ago
I don't think Stef is the only intellectually honest person on Youtube but he is one of that minority
Mr.Cropper, Paul Mckeever are very intelligent also. Confederalsocialist is mostly honest, ShaneDK is great, Mister Busta, and a few others
Sam26100 2 years ago
do you have a podcast?
rettilajoie 1 year ago
I feel that you're being intellectually dishonest posting this.
Much like the money system, those at the top know exactly what they're doing and that it's all BS they sprout to contol the ignorant masses....very effective it is too.
The main reason the US invaded Iraq was to protect the Petrodollar cycle the Saddam tried to interrupt.
Bush was just taking the piss in hoping the French Pres would swallow his BS
I'll bet they had a good laugh about it in the pentigon :o)
IronmanUK2 2 years ago
Watch Youtube video: The Health Care Bill: What they DON'T want you to know!
wethepeopleUSA2012 2 years ago
Undead Jewish Zombie...LOL!!! I know this was a gravely serious topic, but I spit out my coffee upon hearing that.
ahallock 2 years ago
since you now question certain motives used to justify mass murder, you might also choose to look into other matters more closely. you might be surprised to find that most reports of history are not what they first seem.
cmoleon 2 years ago
/watch?v=e3n3bWLEvJk
Same story with less emotionality
Koba82 2 years ago
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razorsharpwit 2 years ago
I absolutely agree with this. I do not think people really understand how religion can completely dominate someone's thinking. My family, who are Christians, believe the war on terrorism is a spiritual battle. To them Satan is a real person responsible for the evil in this world. Rational thinking and behavior goes out the window. There is nothing more frightening then seeing other-wise sane and peaceful people accept and support violence because "it's what God wants."
reason285 2 years ago 2
9/11 "Truth" is a religion. We should end that one too.
machwon 2 years ago
I kinda feel like you completely lost the point of what he was saying. . .
TrueEmergence 2 years ago
I got it, i just saw some people commenting about 9/11 truth bullshit.
machwon 2 years ago
Is there any other source of this information other than from the Council of Human Secularism? I couldn't find their source.
frateradrastus 2 years ago
truthout also has it
stefbot 2 years ago
NWOtalk? Part of this is to wipe religions away, so then there is nothing to stop the complete manipulation of people by the elite. Bush is religious fake just like 0bama, if anything they want to use that facade as part of the destruction to allow man to Control man. Leaving no other choice than believe what the Elite want you to. In the Christian aspect. God gives people the choice to believe or not.. In the Atheist aspect you have no choice. Cannot one see the obvious desire for control?
ProsperiaFan 2 years ago
America has to do the job none will do - protect the world from ghosts!
qhc23 2 years ago
Too bad we're not nearly as cool as the Ghost Busters
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
sweet name, pink floyd fan
razorsharpwit 2 years ago
George Bush Senior's initiated name into Skull and Bones is MAGOG.
So he's saying his Dad is working the Middle-East?
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
Stefan
-Why pretend the Iraq war is about religion?
Is it b/c the war is unpopular and you hope to connect the two? There are plenty of reasons to reject religion, this is hardly one of them. Come on, you're above Michale Moore, aren't you? Why not stick to the lack of empirical evidence?
razorsharpwit 2 years ago 4
you spelled Michael wrong, you dim WIT
fuxplenty 2 years ago
Cheney and Rumsfeld are incompetent.
Why let them off the hook?
fuxplenty 2 years ago
I'm on Stefan's side. I agree w/ him most of the time . If I am wrong, I'll admit it- I don't mind being wrong, that means I'm learning.
razorsharpwit 2 years ago
Razor's argument makes the most sense- I mean Freedom and Religion are used to recruit allies.
fuxplenty 2 years ago
It's not wrong that leaders initiate wars on such pretenses as God told them to do so. And if that French politicians says Bush told him so I don't see why it's unbelievable. Come on, there are a lot of evidence out there of world leaders or their wives consulting psychics before big events to try to know the future or know which decision to take. Psychics have been to the white house many times over the last decades and Bush does go to the Bohemian Grove with the other world leaders.
Nebbyker 2 years ago
I agree with razorsharpwit
Why are his comments marked as spam?
rhythymelodica 2 years ago 2
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Stefan-Although I agree w/ you about the horrors of gov't and religion, you're wrong about this one. The Iraq war was about Rumsfeld and Cheney trying to cover their asses for the work they did in the 80's. They sold the WMD to Saddam and even if there wasn't intelligence to prove that Saddam had the WMD, they were certain that he did and that the ends would justify the means.
razorsharpwit 2 years ago 4
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rhythymelodica 2 years ago 4
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Rumsfeld and Cheney had good intentions w/ poor results, which is the same old story of gov't. To suggest that this war is about religion or freedom is missing the point, no matter what BUSH said.
razorsharpwit 2 years ago 4
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rhythymelodica 2 years ago 5
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razorsharpwit 2 years ago
I agree with roccman 2003. Stephan lost me when he "implied'" THAT foreign terroists ( with those photos making me laugh ) took the World Tade Center down. IMHO you are waaaaaaay off and it kind of makes me wonder how you process evidence. Power, Oil & money = war . Those ARE the top driving forces even if wrapped in religion. The big players - Power, oil & money ..that's it Stephan and I do not care how you can/ will disagree.
We part ways here ..for sure !
RenegadeTimes 2 years ago
"i dont care how you can disagree" ==translate=>
"I don't care about facts, reality, or truth, I just want my balls rubbed :D"
clemonsx90 2 years ago
this makes sense....to who exactly ? Let me guess educated in the states...community college perhaps.
I understand , truly. A shining example of how American's are easily enslaved.
RenegadeTimes 2 years ago
Good video... i think that roccman2003 watches to much main stream media.
religion must die, and same with the pope.
CropDuster33 2 years ago
Huh Stephan?
Look bro - we are there for oil and in afghanistan for heroin.
Really bro.
I an a cat's whisper from unsubscribing.
Stick with what you are good at...defining life in simple terms...that I enjoy.
You are misguided re: 911 and oil supply.
Really.
roccman2003 2 years ago
People actually think that people in power aren't influenced much by religion...however as you pointed they are just as superstitious as the regular masses.
ewops 2 years ago
Stef, I think you're off on this point. Not about the danger of religion, but on Bush's motivation.
First off, religion is for the masses, not the leaders. You don't actually think that sociopath believes in god and religion, do you? That's a show for the voters. I know you don't care much for the Alex Jones/Bohemian Grove stuff, and I agree it's not that important, but in this case it contributes to this thesis.
Second, even if Bush was a religious nut, he has no power. He's a figurehead
odigity 2 years ago
odigity: I agree
L4ch74n 2 years ago
Religion is a cancer of the mind, thankfully religion is in decline in America, so hopefully we see a more pragmatic and centrist America in the future...one that isn't hijacked by religious fanatics and those corrupted by the raw power of the US government.
Love your videos by the way, keep it up!
NetrunnerKillian 2 years ago
I believe that your disgust for President Bush may have gotten the better of your judgement here. Your story sounds more like a conspiracy theory than anything else, which may explain why mainstream media ignores it.
rhbjorn 2 years ago
I think Stef's wrong, too, but not because it's a "conspiracy theory". I am so fucking tired of that term, and I have nothing but contempt for people that have a knee-jerk reaction to any claim that isn't part of mainstream mythology, and label it "conspiracy theory" as if they had done right and deserved a cookie from their masters for properly mocking the unbelievers, rather than simply and consistently applying the same standards of reason and evidence across the board, regardless of claim.
odigity 2 years ago 5
I fully agree. The term is from time to time misused remember Echelon. I am still pretty sure of this one though.
rhbjorn 2 years ago
I'm sure the Iraq War was orchestrated under some religious zealotry, but the primary reasons were social political and resource acquisition.
There is one thing that the $3 Tril Iraq War did secure - and that was the global recession we are now living in.
I will say that to think the Iraq War was legitimate in itself is Anti-American.
There is nothing to fear, however. The Age of Reason shall prevail.
technologic21 2 years ago
Either that, or a new Stone Age. Oh wait, we already have that, at least when it comes to human mentality...
PeterTheEvilBastard 2 years ago 2
Maybe, let's say it takes......5 reasons to have a good war. Once you have five reasons then there will be enough people on differant sides arguing that you can procede with the destruction under the radar.
So many people are talking about whether this or that is the reason for the war that the war mongers are laughing...secretly knowing that everyone one is right but too divided to do anything.
buddcinder 2 years ago
So long as our weapon in reason and not force - I agree...
VeritasEtLibertas82 2 years ago
As much as I agree about the stupidity of religion, I can't aprove of the "war" you imply against religion: with all of it's flaws, religion is still VOLUNTARY. Guns don't kill people, people do...
dheune 2 years ago
Voluntary? When a robber holds a gun to your head and says pay me or die, do you VOLUNTARILY give him your wallet? Do children have a say in whether their parents teach them that an old man built a wooden boat 3 football fields in length and 3 stories high and was able to get every animal in it and float for a year with enough ventilation, food for the carnivores and Magical Feces Remover (tm)?
Religion (the big 3) is forced upon helpless children who cannot yet discern fable from reality.
TruthSurge 2 years ago 3
Religion is just a tool; it can in fact be practiced voluntarily. Whether or not it is a voluntary choice by children to believe that nonsense depends upon the situation.
A more clear slogan might be: a war on force and intimidation of the helpless to believe X, where X is any claim.
Balden2 2 years ago
Along these lines, every thing you say to a child can be seen as coercive, an intrusion and so on, by someone who doesn't agree. Can you actually speak at all to someone under 18? Voluntary= a situation where NO PHYSICAL ASSAULT ON PERSON OR PHYSICAL PROPERTY OCCOURS. Ergo, religion=voluntary. Statists think non-physical agression ca be coercive. Sorry Stef, can't follow you there. To slippery a road.
dheune 2 years ago
Is it voluntary for god to offer 2 choices: 1) worship him and go to heaven or 2) do not worship him and be tortured in hell forever?
Not very voluntary, is it?
TruthSurge 2 years ago
That's because MAN told you that.The simple fact that we have freedom of choice means god wants you to worship him/it freely.The Creator in its infinite wisdom understands coercion,and that any relationship must be built on consent.
God has never talked to humankind in the collective,noticed how it's always somebody alone on a hill,or in a cave,or in the forest.
THAWK3 2 years ago
Yep. Just like one man telling me now. Until a god talks to ME personally, there IS no god.
TruthSurge 2 years ago
I understand what your saying,but keeping a closed mind stunts growth in thinking-since your already closed to the Idea.
I tend to listen to everything and then use logic and reason to distinguish reality.
Check out a book called "Freedom Of Choice" by Thomas Chalko
Pretty good.
THAWK3 2 years ago
Is your mind closed about Santa Claus? I've heard tons of arguments for god and none of them convince me in the least. All the while, there is a lot of evidence against a god. I tend to go with the preponderance of evidence.
TruthSurge 2 years ago
Religion isn´t voluntary when you´re raised by fanatics in a fanatic-based surrounding..This goes for -every- religion, philosophy or ideal that you can think of.
War against religion isn´t the solution, not as in "armed combat" atleast. Logic hasn´t worked either..Ridicule works, but is frowned upon.. so what´s left? A deaf ear?
Jentzi1 2 years ago 3
im a bit skeptical...but i dont disagree with the evils of religion.
sexdrugsRnR 2 years ago
Atheism + Libertarianism (Voluntarism) = FREEDOM
landofthefreemyass 2 years ago
Atheistm + No State = FREEDOM
appleguy77 2 years ago 6
amen, brother!
stefbot 2 years ago
this is one of your more "hard hitting" videos.have you debated many religious people?
throwntomato 2 years ago
Sure, try show 1427...
stefbot 2 years ago
thank-you, Stef!
throwntomato 2 years ago
Indeed, atheists need to wake up to the fact that religious fanatics are the most dangerous ppl in the world...and unfortunately religious fanatics can only be stopped with violence since they agree to the use of violence to push their doctrines and ideologies on the 'non-believers'.
Nebbyker 2 years ago
If you think they need to be stopped with violence what makes you different than a statist?
timthednov5 2 years ago
I do not believe that violence amounts to anything useful and of course violence only brings about more violence....however that being said the reality is that countless fanatics are more than willing to use violence against anyone to force their beliefs and ideals on others...religion is still fuelling wars all over the world...I choose not to fight but if someone comes knocking home one day and says I have to pray to his God or die I see no other choice but to defend myself and my family.
Nebbyker 2 years ago
Just like the non issue of health care that is constantly pushed to the front as the big issue..
The injuries and tortured wounds are the real issue