Can somebody please tell me where I can find the second song in this video? (blue grass song)! I'd like to play it to my 7th grade students! We're learning about the Civil War!
there was a lot more to it than what we were taught in grammar school or high school, regardless it happened. just not in the way the history teachers are taught. Slavery was not the issue at all, just states rights, if so why then only a few southerners owned slaves while the rest did not, they were protecting their land from what they believe were traitors to begin with.
@UScalvery slavery was the biggest state right. While there were other issues, all of the others could have been settled easily. Slavery was THE issue that turned the states right argument into a civil war
My great great great great? Grandfather was a Captain in the 2nd Tennessee Infantry Division, Confederate Army. These arguments over North and South being more racist...ARE in fact still dividing North and South...let's just please bury the hatchet and be unified Americans, as the reunification of the states meant for us to be.
It never fails that these types of videos fuel the eternal debate. My great great grandfather fought with Company D 10th GA infantry, but considering it is documented that they were "hillfolk" who after the war became shiners, it is highly unlikely they owned a whole lot let alone another human being. Yes we need to remember, but we also need to remember they were ALL americans regardless of level of education.
Ironically a LOT of the acrimony from this period was caused by a southern sympathizer. If Lincoln had not been shot reconstruction would have been completely different. Lincoln wanted reunification;Congress wanted revenge. I guess I am in many eyes a traitor. I am southern born and have lived in either Florida or Alabama 49 of my 51 years, but if the war had been fought in my lifetime I would be wearing blue.
@micropickletwo And that good sir is what divide this nation, the difference of opinion seperated those who believed in states rights and those who believed in the union under a stronger federal government. While a subtle difference our ancestors felt it was different enough to succeed and fight it out. While i politely disagree if the south would have gained its independance we would not have what we have today with the trampling of states rights. I am in the north and would be wearing grey.
@TheStrazy No man has the right to own another man. As long as slavery was allowed in the south I would never side with her. And ironically enough, I am a libertarian. Not only a registered one (always seemed like an oxymoron), but i actually vote libertarian. I am no friend of our imperial federal government, but slavery is completely out of the question.
@micropickletwo First off i agree fully with you on the slavery debate, As for the states rights issue i feel strongly against the north who shredded the constitution when the war was ongoing and it harbors ill feelings to this day amongst those who know suspension of habeas corpus,race drafts,"simony payment to get out of jail, ect ect. The after effects of the war was and is a scar on our country because of the loss of these same states rights.
@TheStrazy cont. It could have been done different rather than forcing the souths hand and having them suceed from the union. When a centralized federal government has control such as it did, It was a dangerous thing. In other words the north should have worked through the system instead of trying to impose rule on soveriegn states. But once again i agree slavery in any form is wrong.
The south had always done a lot of trading with England for goods. The north, now into mfg, wanted more southern trade. Ironically there were tariffs on goods coming into US, and the tariffs the south paid helped fund US govt.! The south wanted to trade with whom it wished and the north felt the south should do more northern trading. The abolutionists were in the background trying to get attention. According to journals I've read back then, abolutionists becames strongest after Lincoln got in.
I'm going to say this much......the Civil War was not only about slavery, there were other issues broiling before the abolutionists got anyone to listen to them. For instance, look who represented the states in legislatures and congress. In the south it was mainly aristocrat land owners as reps and in the north, mainly wealthy industrialists and aristocratic families. The average guy wasn't involved in rights or war talks. Some of the issues were about who the south could trade with.
@me3tv for poor folks it probably wasn't about slavery since they were only 'bout two steps above themselves.@ 803cracker...slaves were brought to the south by such savage means whatever you mean by "under rebal flag"...do you mean rebel? and still you make no sense. The war was about the survival of a way of life for the south and SLAVES made that way of life possible. I love the south...but it is this ignorance that holds the south back.
In spite of malevolent bankers, devious jews and industrialist exploiters and all that ranting and baby-crying, the USA progressed after the Civil War acceleratedly in all respects, including standards of living and life-span. More in the North and the West but also in the South. If the South did not do better was because of its backward disposition, more prone to be resentful than to try improve itself.
@unionofonion You couldn't have just shipped blacks to Africa, they would have been enslaved by the same Africans that helped sell them in the first place. Africa was never a "together" place.
Newspapers at the time IN THE SOUTH read "great slave war", but it's not about slavery...
Neither sides were correct....They wanted violence as an excuse to portray the supperiority over the other for...guess what? Profits earned by capitalism.
Capitalism in itself is not inherently evil but the beings behind the scenes making the moves are evil because they choose to be.
No sane or humane human being would sacrifice precious life for profits....it's wrong and immoral.
Why do niggers get so bent out of shape about slavery?
At least most aren't native american and don't have to live in the country that their ancestors were brutally raped, Murdered and tortured in while this land is still filtered with the corruption.
Nihg Nohgs bitch so much about that word nigger and how terrible it is, I say if you don't like it than go back to your own fucking country. I'm native american and this country was once my peoples; negros have no right to complain by comparison.
you dirty son of a bitch. all of the slavery and jim crow era pictures took place UNDER THE AMERICAN FLAG, it would have been more accurate to put them on the song that celebrates that murderous scum and fanatic john brown.
Question for the poster of this video: Who is singing Bonnie Blue Flag in the video? It sounds like a very old recording and I was curious as to whether or not it might be Civil War veterans.
I don't know how you guys can say the war wasn't over slavery. Slavery was a huge part. By taking away slavery the south would have lost tons of income.
Money and control...It's ALWAYS about money and control.
The governmental and political figures in the south did not like having their profits cut in to even though slavery is wrong. Dont you find it funny that the government could have just shipped the blacks back to Africa to solve this whole issue?
Human beings are ugly creatures. Do not trust the government or anyone else.
@Chippie08 Oh really? and how accurate do you think those records are?
You don't KNOW when the southern forces attacked that fort, we have historical records but people are not always 100% defined when they make documents.
For all you know, the war could have officially started in 1863.
For anyone who thinks that the main cause of the war was not slavery is incorrect. The issue of slavery was a major point of contention for domestic politics from the day of independence and remained that way up to South Carolina's secession. You may make argument's about the motivations of individuals fighting for the Confederacy, but the war itself was fought over slavery.
Profiteering and control by governmental and political figures that feared the loss of their capitalistic money earning ways which were slaves at that point in time and is now oil.
Slaves were just a focal point for the corruption going on behind the scenes. The governmental officials have been doing this for a LONG time and it isn't going to change until this races dies out!
They use human life to fuel their capitalistic and imperialistic ways of life.
the thing I have trouble understanding is why the North had a huge problem with the South seceding... the same thing happened 100 years before with the American colonies breaking away from the British... hypocritical?
To whatever degree slavery might have brought on secession, it was secession alone that started the war and secession was-and is-Constitutional. Focusing totally on the slave issue is necessasry for those who can't face up to the fact that the north acted criminally throughout this sad ordeal
Many of the "images" depicting the South were from the relatively modern 30s-50s (lynchings, etc.) Secondly, it focuses on the issue of slavery although there were political, economic,and cultural issues involved also.
Every issue that you claim the war was fought for stems back to the fact that the United States gained independence from England with the blight of slavery still ingrained in society. As the years of the United States wore on, it simply became more ingrained in southern culture. These issues of states rights was just a facade for protecting the southern "way of life", or dominion over other men. The only way to solve this problem was to tear down and completely rebuild southern society.
@AssassinsScar Raped? im pretty sure the yankees had a higher death toll then the CSA at the end of the war not saying thats a good thing but yeah the CSA won more battles and the yankees lost more men so i don't think saying we raped the CSA and saying the CSA sucks is correct due to those facts oh and btw "we" I'm pretty sure you were no part of the war and you obviously know nothing of the war pretty sure all you know is the north won.
I am a southerner and had many ancestors in the conflict. THEY were just exhausted and happy to see the end of the war and returned to being poor farmers and timber workers. I think THEY would be pleased with the resulting single nation. If the rebellion had succeeded the USA today would be a series of balkanized European type regional states. BUT - in THEIR day - the passion was to fight for one's home - defined as ones state. To them it was not about slavery.
@TheBoberton Democracy works for the majority that live in the nation under which democracy goes. Imagine a 1000 poor workers and 1 rich factory exploiter, you don't believe that if all power were to go towards the exploiter that all would be treated equal, do you? Ofcourse democracy on its own isn't perfect but the alternative is far from perfect.
You mean a republic? Where the voters cannot change the laws on a whim? And where they have to follow the laws when voting? Where they cannot just vote to steal, kill, etc.?
@TheBoberton No, I mean a republic where the concept of voter does not exist, a system that prefers a small upperclass to judge over what is right and wrong in our society, making the fine people that actually build and keep up a nation powerless and used. We as a person should always have the power to judge over our own lives. Why would one vote for stealing and killing, if all that they are wrongly effecting, are themselfs?
@TheBoberton "...or some portion thereof retain supreme control over the government"
We all know that the latter form is mostly to be true, a small group governing what people are to be doing. We both know, and history has shown, that a system based on this form ultimately leads to corruption and demise or a revolution of the respective nation that governs this policy. So yes, the concept of voter does not exist in this state as the choice of voting is mostly not laid out to them.
@TheBoberton As I explained earlier, the initial concept of a republic deters this, yet a practiced concept of a republic as utilized during the frontier till the Civil War era of the USA, made "the elite" the ruling body of the Nation, mabye not on paper but in most definitely in practice. Atleast democracy retains the means for the people to make a choosing of their own.
Unless you are the minority. Then you are shit out of luck, right?
At the close of the Constitutional Convention, a woman asked Benjamin Franklin what type of government the Constitution was bringing into existence. Franklin replied, “A republic, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT.”
Now, I have taken the liberty to capitalize the most important part of this quote.
Care to explain the numerical differences between Athens and the United States? This is just one of the reasons democracy would be completely unworkable in this day and age. The others being the fact that if the majority can be convinced to vote away your rights, you're just S.O.L
Just because democracy 'worked'* in Athens, that doesn't mean that it will work elsewhere.
Exactly. What about the minority? Do we just say "go sit over there while your rights are taken away and violated". If that is the case, then what would the point of the minority voting be?
@TheBoberton But I implied it as such. But if thinking that the death/ruin of a man is neccesary to please the majority is thinking that the majority has no thinking capacity of their own. Although it may look like it now in current climates, it is mostly the fault of manipulation of those who benefite of these effects.
@TheBoberton That is bending my words. What I tried to bring over was that saying that the survival of multiple is more important of that of just one. This only goes for conditions which exclude any other solutions. As I already stated, thinking that the majority own no thinking capacity of their own is a wrong direction to base your govermential body of your choice. It is however these govermential body's responsibilty to provide (a) more sustainable solution(s) towards the people.
“All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.”
@TheBoberton As I retain it was a chicken. Nonetheless you provided a scenario in which the life of two animals are in the bain of ending the life of another animal. It that scenario, two lives are always valued higher then one. Because as you said, the all posesse equal rights.
As such, we would need to find some other way to end the situation. Just because one group is outnumbered in the vote, doesn't make them any less important.
@TheBoberton please, show me a realistic example of when a choice made by the majority of the public via voting will severly impair a minority. Keep in mind that they are protected by equal rights and laws and as such, any proposals that counter acts against these rights and laws are immediately deemed invalid.
@me3tv i think if the south would have won. as you call them rebels. i call the north rebels. if the south would have won america wouldn't be so bullshit as it is today. because as well all know the south was not about bankers and all that stupid shit the north was the north which won now your country is ran by the bank. Rockafellah family. if they seen america today it would be an uprising and an even worser war. but greed seems to over power whats right so we will all die because of the north.
@MrPeiceofmind666 And I suppose in the same agruement, if we would have lost the revolution, all patriots would have been killed as traitors and for inciting an armed rebellion.
To the victor go the spoils, and he who wins the war writes the history books friend... Southerners did not want to completely seperate, just to be goverened by their own kind, not from the very economic and geographical north. But I do agree, greed (money) overpowers all. ~Pittsburgh,up North
@MrPeiceofmind666 If the south won. This country would be filled with a bunch of uneducated vagabonds. Even though I disagree about slavery being lifted against blacks because they had their own god damn continent AND country to go back to, (I am native american.) This war was completely unnecessary.
So you say that the northerners were rebels; yet nobody asked the south to fight over keeping their slaves. They could have just shipped all of the blacks that wanted to go back to Africa, Solved.
@unionofonion only one problem with your whole theory, the war was about politics slaves were just a scape goat Abraham lincoln was one of the most racist people and general lee was against slaverly, it was about how the south wanted to do there own thing. not bullshit bankers and taxes, btw because of bankers america is so screwed up now. so you tell me you can't say everyone in the south is uneducated its like saying all natives are savages.
Canada's Civil War started in a tavern on Yonge Street in Toronto in 1837 and lasted about an hour. No one got killed and it broke up when the local militia showed up! The only one arrested was an America mercenary boarding at the Inn who slept through the whole thing and came down stairs just as the militia arrived!
No money was the main cause of the WAR.Washington D.C. Believed in commonwealth and the the southern states did not the divison is still there today.Cotton was king and uncle tried to tax it and control it as hard as possible.No there should have never been war but there were to many issues including slavery that brought anger to all americans.So we suffered for our differences ,Kind of a ridiculous thing to look back on now but nice music and good history.
@flogeon LOL idiot. You should listen to some people on here, they know what they are talking about. The main cause was not slavery for several reasons and if it was about slavery then why did Lincoln specifically only make the Emancipation Proclamation public on September 22, 1862 when the war started in April of 1861? Only then did he make "Slavery" a real war goal and that sure boosted the ranks of the Union soldiers.
@803cracker If you believe the war was not about slavery, then it is obvious you have never read the papers of the 16 southern commissioners which clearly delineate the reasons for the South's desire to secede. Moreover, the Confederacy saw that their perceived right to hold slavery was so important that when it became probable that future laws would limit the exercise of slavery, the Southern states saw fit to dissolve the Union rather than obey. Those are the facts, like them or not.
@803cracker No but they fought because they didn't wanna give up their slaves.
The war wasn't about where the blacks came from, it was about the stupid assholes in the south that didn't know that slavery was wrong due to how integrated it was in to the southern U.S. culture.
The war can be defined as this, kids are playing with their toys and other kids come over and tell them to give the toys up and leave them be, but they don't want to so they fight over it because they don't know any better.
@803cracker That is very true it is a right reserved by several states in the ratification documents of the constitution. "in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will"
Some people need to learn history. Banks and taxes had next to nothing to do with the war. The south started the war by seceding over the idea of states rights.
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To those that have been taught the incorrect version of American History by the leftist socialists.Try educating yourself first about a topic before belittling yourself on the internet.I have provided an accurate historical account of the American Civil War within my post above for your benefit.
The beginning of the end of this country was when that damned tyrant Lincoln freed the slaves, and unleashed the ruination of this society. Every since those animals were freed to roam around and act like human beings, they have poisoned America with their filthy jungle songs, dances and attitudes. Look at the crime rates! It's all Lincoln's fault, that fucking gorilla traitor.
Our heritage is rich in grievious decension, glorious unification, noble peace and bloody wars, hell we are more than one song or two songs, we are the home of every goddamned thing good on this planet, and we take it for granted more than any spoiled brat ever kicked his momma, especially today. "Freedom can breed contemptuous fools"
That war was about more than one specific thing, it was even in todays standards one of the worst wars ever. To say it was just because of slavery, or economics, or states rights is to try and say only one side in any war is righteous and the other evil. I had ancestors on both sides, the winner of every war gets to write its history. A war veteran myself, in Viet Nam, I hear all kinds of bullshit about that war.
Tell'em where Ike Eisenhower, George Patton, Bedel Smith, Craigton Abrams, William West Moreland and of course Audie Murphy WW2, and Sgt. York WW1, were all from? Then Black Jack Persing and Teddys Rough Riders were from the SOUTH, so i guess you could say we lost the civil war but won two World Wars, not to mention that the North lost over 300,000 (KIA) the south 140,000. Hmmm read history Dokosc89
Right brother, and thank you for your service. I had an uncle that I never knew. He was murdered by gooks two weeks before he was to come home, already had his papers and everything.
Sorry gobabygo90809, Check out Wikipedia. Mac Arthur: B. Ark, raised at Ft. Sam in Texas. Patton: Calif but father was confederate S.Carolina. Eisenhower: B. Denison Texas. Omar Bradley:B. Missouri (southern sympathizer). and last William Westmoreland: B. Saxon S.Carolina. Read your history
Creighton Abrams was from Mass. but graduated in Texas and lived his life there. and I was incorrect about Bedel Smith, although he lived in Virginia most of his life
Thats funny you say that, the Greatest winningest Generals/ leaders in the civil war were from the south. Had not the north been availed of unlimited man power and material it may have been different, especially leaders, lol, it took 3yrs and the loss of many good southern leaders (Jackson) for the north to finally find two decent generals. The same holds true for the second world war, especially in Europe. Patton was the grandson of a great S. Carolina General.
Interesting comment. IMO if the south would have been allowed to secede from the USA or would have won the Civil War, I do not believe it would have made it to the 20th century intact. It would have been ripe for the taking by many different nations at that time that would have invaded it readily (and won). The CSA wouldn't have made it to WWI.
How awesome of you to put things so simple and honest, with the exclusion of slavery and I totally agree with you. Slavery by the way was on it's way out, had emancipation not been an issue after Gettysburg, the south would probably have sued for peace, and the Jim Crow south would not have been as it was.
@noobkiller59, thanks! but which band plays that version?
manila1909 5 months ago
The song that starts on 2:17 is awesome! What is the name of it and who sings it? Thanks!
manila1909 5 months ago in playlist manila1909's Favorited Videos
Can somebody please tell me where I can find the second song in this video? (blue grass song)! I'd like to play it to my 7th grade students! We're learning about the Civil War!
manila1909 5 months ago
@manila1909 I'd say it's Battle Hymn of the Republic, according to the info of the vid.
TheNoobkiller59 5 months ago
Finding it difficult to believe the person who made the last comment did it for any other reason than to offend people.
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JOHNNYFREEDOMdaREBEL 6 months ago
um srry it was 1861-1865, i know my great plus uncle was in the Civil War he was at Gettysburg and lots of other famous battles.
1orca2swallow1seal 7 months ago
@theBLACKTRON can you send them to me as well as I am also a civil war buff and am always looking for more to read
SlyDessertFox 7 months ago
there was a lot more to it than what we were taught in grammar school or high school, regardless it happened. just not in the way the history teachers are taught. Slavery was not the issue at all, just states rights, if so why then only a few southerners owned slaves while the rest did not, they were protecting their land from what they believe were traitors to begin with.
UScalvery 7 months ago
@UScalvery slavery was the biggest state right. While there were other issues, all of the others could have been settled easily. Slavery was THE issue that turned the states right argument into a civil war
SlyDessertFox 7 months ago
Bravo Dixci!!!(from Siberia)
Bruno47602 7 months ago
I my self am also a big Civil war buff my self
The211988Drew 7 months ago
You got the wrong year in the title.
filmnoirist 7 months ago
@theBLACKTRON I believe you dude. Can you send me the links? I'm a young civil war buff, and any information i can get, ill read :)
annier1984 8 months ago
My great great great great? Grandfather was a Captain in the 2nd Tennessee Infantry Division, Confederate Army. These arguments over North and South being more racist...ARE in fact still dividing North and South...let's just please bury the hatchet and be unified Americans, as the reunification of the states meant for us to be.
RazrBlayde 8 months ago
This video seems biased and completely one sided.Teach History not ignorance.
mtpj9654 8 months ago 2
It never fails that these types of videos fuel the eternal debate. My great great grandfather fought with Company D 10th GA infantry, but considering it is documented that they were "hillfolk" who after the war became shiners, it is highly unlikely they owned a whole lot let alone another human being. Yes we need to remember, but we also need to remember they were ALL americans regardless of level of education.
Tinyoak2 8 months ago in playlist Civil War Era Songs
Ironically a LOT of the acrimony from this period was caused by a southern sympathizer. If Lincoln had not been shot reconstruction would have been completely different. Lincoln wanted reunification;Congress wanted revenge. I guess I am in many eyes a traitor. I am southern born and have lived in either Florida or Alabama 49 of my 51 years, but if the war had been fought in my lifetime I would be wearing blue.
micropickletwo 9 months ago
@micropickletwo And that good sir is what divide this nation, the difference of opinion seperated those who believed in states rights and those who believed in the union under a stronger federal government. While a subtle difference our ancestors felt it was different enough to succeed and fight it out. While i politely disagree if the south would have gained its independance we would not have what we have today with the trampling of states rights. I am in the north and would be wearing grey.
TheStrazy 9 months ago
@TheStrazy No man has the right to own another man. As long as slavery was allowed in the south I would never side with her. And ironically enough, I am a libertarian. Not only a registered one (always seemed like an oxymoron), but i actually vote libertarian. I am no friend of our imperial federal government, but slavery is completely out of the question.
micropickletwo 9 months ago
@micropickletwo First off i agree fully with you on the slavery debate, As for the states rights issue i feel strongly against the north who shredded the constitution when the war was ongoing and it harbors ill feelings to this day amongst those who know suspension of habeas corpus,race drafts,"simony payment to get out of jail, ect ect. The after effects of the war was and is a scar on our country because of the loss of these same states rights.
TheStrazy 9 months ago
@TheStrazy cont. It could have been done different rather than forcing the souths hand and having them suceed from the union. When a centralized federal government has control such as it did, It was a dangerous thing. In other words the north should have worked through the system instead of trying to impose rule on soveriegn states. But once again i agree slavery in any form is wrong.
TheStrazy 9 months ago
@micropickletwo I agree. Lincoln would have made things very different had John Wilkes Boothe not shot him
SlyDessertFox 7 months ago
The south had always done a lot of trading with England for goods. The north, now into mfg, wanted more southern trade. Ironically there were tariffs on goods coming into US, and the tariffs the south paid helped fund US govt.! The south wanted to trade with whom it wished and the north felt the south should do more northern trading. The abolutionists were in the background trying to get attention. According to journals I've read back then, abolutionists becames strongest after Lincoln got in.
lunaursus 9 months ago
I'm going to say this much......the Civil War was not only about slavery, there were other issues broiling before the abolutionists got anyone to listen to them. For instance, look who represented the states in legislatures and congress. In the south it was mainly aristocrat land owners as reps and in the north, mainly wealthy industrialists and aristocratic families. The average guy wasn't involved in rights or war talks. Some of the issues were about who the south could trade with.
lunaursus 9 months ago
who sings the second song?
washingtonboy09 9 months ago
this song is ON FALLOUT 3 ENCLAVE RADIO!
american12391 9 months ago
@me3tv for poor folks it probably wasn't about slavery since they were only 'bout two steps above themselves.@ 803cracker...slaves were brought to the south by such savage means whatever you mean by "under rebal flag"...do you mean rebel? and still you make no sense. The war was about the survival of a way of life for the south and SLAVES made that way of life possible. I love the south...but it is this ignorance that holds the south back.
bruinally 9 months ago 2
@me3tv for poor folks it probably wasn't about slavery since they were only 'bout two steps above themselves.
bruinally 9 months ago
In spite of malevolent bankers, devious jews and industrialist exploiters and all that ranting and baby-crying, the USA progressed after the Civil War acceleratedly in all respects, including standards of living and life-span. More in the North and the West but also in the South. If the South did not do better was because of its backward disposition, more prone to be resentful than to try improve itself.
powerdriller10 10 months ago
I love this songs
MrDamiano2010 10 months ago
@unionofonion You couldn't have just shipped blacks to Africa, they would have been enslaved by the same Africans that helped sell them in the first place. Africa was never a "together" place.
Newspapers at the time IN THE SOUTH read "great slave war", but it's not about slavery...
MrTaikutsu 10 months ago
@MrTaikutsu souces please
DrKorn5 9 months ago
Neither sides were correct....They wanted violence as an excuse to portray the supperiority over the other for...guess what? Profits earned by capitalism.
Capitalism in itself is not inherently evil but the beings behind the scenes making the moves are evil because they choose to be.
No sane or humane human being would sacrifice precious life for profits....it's wrong and immoral.
unionofonion 11 months ago
Why do niggers get so bent out of shape about slavery?
At least most aren't native american and don't have to live in the country that their ancestors were brutally raped, Murdered and tortured in while this land is still filtered with the corruption.
Nihg Nohgs bitch so much about that word nigger and how terrible it is, I say if you don't like it than go back to your own fucking country. I'm native american and this country was once my peoples; negros have no right to complain by comparison.
unionofonion 11 months ago
you dirty son of a bitch. all of the slavery and jim crow era pictures took place UNDER THE AMERICAN FLAG, it would have been more accurate to put them on the song that celebrates that murderous scum and fanatic john brown.
TheCitdog 11 months ago
funny to think 1 country wanted to have 2 rulers that would have been very interesting
gravedigr12 11 months ago
Question for the poster of this video: Who is singing Bonnie Blue Flag in the video? It sounds like a very old recording and I was curious as to whether or not it might be Civil War veterans.
ambrosius 11 months ago
Many people died, suffered, lived behind shadows, under slavery man thought he could take control of others' fate, lives, thus using them as tools.
I'm glad this is all over!
gayguy666999 11 months ago
@gayguy666999 It's not over, fool.
Native Americans still live with the fact that we are slaves to the forced changes.
It will never be over as long as banks and the United States government are allowed to exist.
unionofonion 11 months ago
@unionofonion Oh an anarchist, please get over it, all of us need a state rule.
gayguy666999 11 months ago
Google "Arthur Reed" and "Miles Reed" and see about black confederates!
Bestmanme08 11 months ago
I don't know how you guys can say the war wasn't over slavery. Slavery was a huge part. By taking away slavery the south would have lost tons of income.
MrTaikutsu 1 year ago
@MrTaikutsu It's about two things.
Money and control...It's ALWAYS about money and control.
The governmental and political figures in the south did not like having their profits cut in to even though slavery is wrong. Dont you find it funny that the government could have just shipped the blacks back to Africa to solve this whole issue?
Human beings are ugly creatures. Do not trust the government or anyone else.
unionofonion 11 months ago
@unionofonion yeah because no government is always a good idea (sarcasm)
SlyDessertFox 7 months ago
Hey why 1860-1865 ?!?!?!?!
The Civil War erupted the 12th April 1861 when rebels attacked Fort Sumter !!!!!!!
Chippie08 1 year ago
@Chippie08 Oh really? and how accurate do you think those records are?
You don't KNOW when the southern forces attacked that fort, we have historical records but people are not always 100% defined when they make documents.
For all you know, the war could have officially started in 1863.
unionofonion 11 months ago
@unionofonion yes and I was there and saw it all ! c'mon be realistic
Chippie08 10 months ago
For anyone who thinks that the main cause of the war was not slavery is incorrect. The issue of slavery was a major point of contention for domestic politics from the day of independence and remained that way up to South Carolina's secession. You may make argument's about the motivations of individuals fighting for the Confederacy, but the war itself was fought over slavery.
JeepCherokeeV8 1 year ago
@JeepCherokeeV8 Not Slavery...Profits.
Profiteering and control by governmental and political figures that feared the loss of their capitalistic money earning ways which were slaves at that point in time and is now oil.
Slaves were just a focal point for the corruption going on behind the scenes. The governmental officials have been doing this for a LONG time and it isn't going to change until this races dies out!
They use human life to fuel their capitalistic and imperialistic ways of life.
unionofonion 11 months ago
@unionofonion dude get over the "government is evil" argument
SlyDessertFox 7 months ago
the thing I have trouble understanding is why the North had a huge problem with the South seceding... the same thing happened 100 years before with the American colonies breaking away from the British... hypocritical?
Kdawg195 1 year ago
To whatever degree slavery might have brought on secession, it was secession alone that started the war and secession was-and is-Constitutional. Focusing totally on the slave issue is necessasry for those who can't face up to the fact that the north acted criminally throughout this sad ordeal
panthercreek60 1 year ago
Just lettin ya know, the war was from 1861-1865 lol, not 1860-1865. But the video was awesome!
ambrosius 1 year ago
Many of the "images" depicting the South were from the relatively modern 30s-50s (lynchings, etc.) Secondly, it focuses on the issue of slavery although there were political, economic,and cultural issues involved also.
generalripper1964 1 year ago
Ahh, Dixie brings back memories...It was my school's fight song :)
surfergirl480 1 year ago
Fallout 3 :P
scaryeric123 1 year ago 2
Every issue that you claim the war was fought for stems back to the fact that the United States gained independence from England with the blight of slavery still ingrained in society. As the years of the United States wore on, it simply became more ingrained in southern culture. These issues of states rights was just a facade for protecting the southern "way of life", or dominion over other men. The only way to solve this problem was to tear down and completely rebuild southern society.
flogeon 1 year ago
IT'S 1861 DUMMY
Nanipark50 1 year ago
why do you guys keep saying "succeeded"? it's ceded.
PWINNxXx20 1 year ago
@PWINNxXx20
Actually, it's "secede."
TomKaren1994 1 year ago
@TomKaren1994 hahah yep, you're right. way to make me feel like a jackass :)
PWINNxXx20 1 year ago
LONG LIVE THE CSA!!!
Xanatos1000 1 year ago
@Xanatos1000 CSA sucks we raped you
AssassinsScar 1 year ago
@AssassinsScar either way, CSA won more battles than the yankees
Xanatos1000 1 year ago
@Xanatos1000 Yah but we won the war
AssassinsScar 1 year ago
@AssassinsScar Raped? im pretty sure the yankees had a higher death toll then the CSA at the end of the war not saying thats a good thing but yeah the CSA won more battles and the yankees lost more men so i don't think saying we raped the CSA and saying the CSA sucks is correct due to those facts oh and btw "we" I'm pretty sure you were no part of the war and you obviously know nothing of the war pretty sure all you know is the north won.
Baitfish0233 1 year ago
@Baitfish0233 in the end though, we won the war and that is all that matters
SlyDessertFox 7 months ago
I got to tell you there is alot of pictures that are acurate and there is some that is off by almost 70 years just letting you know
fprtclvs 1 year ago
I am a southerner and had many ancestors in the conflict. THEY were just exhausted and happy to see the end of the war and returned to being poor farmers and timber workers. I think THEY would be pleased with the resulting single nation. If the rebellion had succeeded the USA today would be a series of balkanized European type regional states. BUT - in THEIR day - the passion was to fight for one's home - defined as ones state. To them it was not about slavery.
me3tv 1 year ago 23
@me3tv
"I think THEY would be pleased with the resulting single nation."
The men on both sides would be sick with the nation we have today. In their day this nation was a republic. Now it is a democracy.
What is democracy?
2 criminals and a police officer voting on a verdict.
2 foxes and a chicken voting on dinner.
Mob rule.
That is democracy.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Democracy works for the majority that live in the nation under which democracy goes. Imagine a 1000 poor workers and 1 rich factory exploiter, you don't believe that if all power were to go towards the exploiter that all would be treated equal, do you? Ofcourse democracy on its own isn't perfect but the alternative is far from perfect.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
"but the alternative is far from perfect."
You mean a republic? Where the voters cannot change the laws on a whim? And where they have to follow the laws when voting? Where they cannot just vote to steal, kill, etc.?
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton No, I mean a republic where the concept of voter does not exist, a system that prefers a small upperclass to judge over what is right and wrong in our society, making the fine people that actually build and keep up a nation powerless and used. We as a person should always have the power to judge over our own lives. Why would one vote for stealing and killing, if all that they are wrongly effecting, are themselfs?
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
"A republic is a form of government in which the people or some portion thereof retain supreme control over the government"
You know what the origin of the word is?
Res publica, or public matter.
And where do you get this "concept of voter does not exist" crap? The US was originally a republic, and should still be (But it's not).
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton "...or some portion thereof retain supreme control over the government"
We all know that the latter form is mostly to be true, a small group governing what people are to be doing. We both know, and history has shown, that a system based on this form ultimately leads to corruption and demise or a revolution of the respective nation that governs this policy. So yes, the concept of voter does not exist in this state as the choice of voting is mostly not laid out to them.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
Thomas Jefferson.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Because the top 1 percent of the people taking away the rights of the other ninety-nine percent is a better alternative
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
You do realize that a republic is not ruled by "the elite", don't you?
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton As I explained earlier, the initial concept of a republic deters this, yet a practiced concept of a republic as utilized during the frontier till the Civil War era of the USA, made "the elite" the ruling body of the Nation, mabye not on paper but in most definitely in practice. Atleast democracy retains the means for the people to make a choosing of their own.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
"make a choosing of their own"
Unless you are the minority. Then you are shit out of luck, right?
At the close of the Constitutional Convention, a woman asked Benjamin Franklin what type of government the Constitution was bringing into existence. Franklin replied, “A republic, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT.”
Now, I have taken the liberty to capitalize the most important part of this quote.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton care to explain why this worked perfectly in Athens then?
SlyDessertFox 7 months ago
@SlyDessertFox
Care to explain the numerical differences between Athens and the United States? This is just one of the reasons democracy would be completely unworkable in this day and age. The others being the fact that if the majority can be convinced to vote away your rights, you're just S.O.L
Just because democracy 'worked'* in Athens, that doesn't mean that it will work elsewhere.
(Continued)
TheBoberton 7 months ago
(Continued)
And by 'worked', I mean 'Didn't implode into a series of civil wars, revolutions, and economic or political collapses.'
TheBoberton 7 months ago
@wesside0yes
"Democracy works for the majority that live"
Exactly. What about the minority? Do we just say "go sit over there while your rights are taken away and violated". If that is the case, then what would the point of the minority voting be?
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton The good of many surpass the good of a few, thinking we can please any and all is delusional and is unobtainable.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
"The good of many surpass the good of a few"
In other words:
Two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Does the death of two wolves justify the life of one sheep?
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
Does the death of one man justify the life of two?
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton No, but the survival of 2 lives at the cost of one, is a price worth justifying. The way of Democracy.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
I was actually never implying that the "dinner" was necessary to survival. I merely put it down as thus:
Is the death/ruin of a man worth making the majority happy?
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton But I implied it as such. But if thinking that the death/ruin of a man is neccesary to please the majority is thinking that the majority has no thinking capacity of their own. Although it may look like it now in current climates, it is mostly the fault of manipulation of those who benefite of these effects.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
"at the cost of one"
Yep, the way of Democracy, using mob rule to kill or steal.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton That is bending my words. What I tried to bring over was that saying that the survival of multiple is more important of that of just one. This only goes for conditions which exclude any other solutions. As I already stated, thinking that the majority own no thinking capacity of their own is a wrong direction to base your govermential body of your choice. It is however these govermential body's responsibilty to provide (a) more sustainable solution(s) towards the people.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
“All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.”
Thomas Jefferson.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton And democracy is to- and is able to respect these equal rights and laws.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
And that's why you would kill the sheep in the scenario (Sarcasm).
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton As I retain it was a chicken. Nonetheless you provided a scenario in which the life of two animals are in the bain of ending the life of another animal. It that scenario, two lives are always valued higher then one. Because as you said, the all posesse equal rights.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
"the all posesse equal rights."
As such, we would need to find some other way to end the situation. Just because one group is outnumbered in the vote, doesn't make them any less important.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton please, show me a realistic example of when a choice made by the majority of the public via voting will severly impair a minority. Keep in mind that they are protected by equal rights and laws and as such, any proposals that counter acts against these rights and laws are immediately deemed invalid.
wesside0yes 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
Let me correct my post:
And that's why Democracy would kill the sheep in the scenario.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@wesside0yes
watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@me3tv i think if the south would have won. as you call them rebels. i call the north rebels. if the south would have won america wouldn't be so bullshit as it is today. because as well all know the south was not about bankers and all that stupid shit the north was the north which won now your country is ran by the bank. Rockafellah family. if they seen america today it would be an uprising and an even worser war. but greed seems to over power whats right so we will all die because of the north.
MrPeiceofmind666 11 months ago
@MrPeiceofmind666 And I suppose in the same agruement, if we would have lost the revolution, all patriots would have been killed as traitors and for inciting an armed rebellion.
To the victor go the spoils, and he who wins the war writes the history books friend... Southerners did not want to completely seperate, just to be goverened by their own kind, not from the very economic and geographical north. But I do agree, greed (money) overpowers all. ~Pittsburgh,up North
jediknightaj 11 months ago
@MrPeiceofmind666 If the south won. This country would be filled with a bunch of uneducated vagabonds. Even though I disagree about slavery being lifted against blacks because they had their own god damn continent AND country to go back to, (I am native american.) This war was completely unnecessary.
So you say that the northerners were rebels; yet nobody asked the south to fight over keeping their slaves. They could have just shipped all of the blacks that wanted to go back to Africa, Solved.
unionofonion 11 months ago
@unionofonion only one problem with your whole theory, the war was about politics slaves were just a scape goat Abraham lincoln was one of the most racist people and general lee was against slaverly, it was about how the south wanted to do there own thing. not bullshit bankers and taxes, btw because of bankers america is so screwed up now. so you tell me you can't say everyone in the south is uneducated its like saying all natives are savages.
MrPeiceofmind666 11 months ago
@unionofonion and they did try to ship most of them back have you heard of haiti??
MrPeiceofmind666 11 months ago
This is very well-done! Great choice of music and pics, and a nice evocation of the spirit of each side.
nicodagger 1 year ago
Canada's Civil War started in a tavern on Yonge Street in Toronto in 1837 and lasted about an hour. No one got killed and it broke up when the local militia showed up! The only one arrested was an America mercenary boarding at the Inn who slept through the whole thing and came down stairs just as the militia arrived!
mike32779 1 year ago
Civil Wars are always bad thing. We had ''Civil War'' in Finland in 1918. Good songs & pictures, by the way.
PupFighter 1 year ago
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PupFighter 1 year ago
The civil War actually started in 1861, but no big deal.
wumblewoo421half 1 year ago
No money was the main cause of the WAR.Washington D.C. Believed in commonwealth and the the southern states did not the divison is still there today.Cotton was king and uncle tried to tax it and control it as hard as possible.No there should have never been war but there were to many issues including slavery that brought anger to all americans.So we suffered for our differences ,Kind of a ridiculous thing to look back on now but nice music and good history.
worseto 1 year ago
Ah the good ole days back
MegaInvisible1 1 year ago
FUCK IT ALL SLAVERRYYYY!!!
Kizuishaskittle 1 year ago
What a Craploa videeo thsi is. ! GEAAA
georgepickett 1 year ago
we had ever right to succed from the north slavery wasnt the mane cause of the war not one slave was ever brought here under rebal flag
803cracker 1 year ago 8
@803cracker Clearly you're from the South. Learn to spell. Asshole.
FrieRie 1 year ago
@803cracker you can't spell for shit. And slavery was the main cause of the war, you redneck fuck.
flogeon 1 year ago
@flogeon LOL idiot. You should listen to some people on here, they know what they are talking about. The main cause was not slavery for several reasons and if it was about slavery then why did Lincoln specifically only make the Emancipation Proclamation public on September 22, 1862 when the war started in April of 1861? Only then did he make "Slavery" a real war goal and that sure boosted the ranks of the Union soldiers.
Diolord89 1 year ago
@Diolord89 - To keep Britain and France out of the war thus ensuring the effectiveness of the blockade and eventual smothering of the rebellion.
timoteo2 1 year ago
@803cracker If you believe the war was not about slavery, then it is obvious you have never read the papers of the 16 southern commissioners which clearly delineate the reasons for the South's desire to secede. Moreover, the Confederacy saw that their perceived right to hold slavery was so important that when it became probable that future laws would limit the exercise of slavery, the Southern states saw fit to dissolve the Union rather than obey. Those are the facts, like them or not.
sockettuem 1 year ago
@803cracker No but they fought because they didn't wanna give up their slaves.
The war wasn't about where the blacks came from, it was about the stupid assholes in the south that didn't know that slavery was wrong due to how integrated it was in to the southern U.S. culture.
The war can be defined as this, kids are playing with their toys and other kids come over and tell them to give the toys up and leave them be, but they don't want to so they fight over it because they don't know any better.
unionofonion 11 months ago
@803cracker That is very true it is a right reserved by several states in the ratification documents of the constitution. "in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will"
DrKorn5 9 months ago
Some people need to learn history. Banks and taxes had next to nothing to do with the war. The south started the war by seceding over the idea of states rights.
TMBurdick 1 year ago
it was all about banks and money..not slavery only!!
mightybeeb 1 year ago
poor White people both Northerner and Southerner dying for the profit of an elite of industrial roving barons and slaveholders. what a shame!
whitemaleandproud 1 year ago 2
why the fuck can nobody put NORTHERN songs up i mean seriously
washingtonboy09 1 year ago
@washingtonboy09 : Well,from 2:18 onwards there are several renditions of the battle hymn of the republic,which was a northern song.
fredofasgarnia 1 year ago
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the southern will rise again!!!!!!!!!!!
Robloxadmaster 1 year ago
Everyone should see Ken Burns Civil War documentary, it's amazing.
RockinFifiLaFume 1 year ago
11 thumbs up on diminishing slavery?? Are you kidding me? Guys owning another human and abusing them is tragic...tragic.
henrynash 1 year ago
Whats up with the lynching of blacks in your video? That ain't right. Plus the photo was from 1930's. Poor taste.
Whats up with the Battle hymn of the republic at the end? are you a yankee?
shillcw 1 year ago 2
soo wish I lived in this era! Would have LOVED to have been a southern belle!!
KarenRosieRay 1 year ago
The "Bonnie blue flag" is actually being sung by a civil war vet.
wasp9 1 year ago
deo vindice
ps90tacguy 1 year ago
h ttp://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/southernside.htm
To those that have been taught the incorrect version of American History by the leftist socialists.Try educating yourself first about a topic before belittling yourself on the internet.I have provided an accurate historical account of the American Civil War within my post above for your benefit.
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
DEO VINDICE!
chembane 1 year ago
The beginning of the end of this country was when that damned tyrant Lincoln freed the slaves, and unleashed the ruination of this society. Every since those animals were freed to roam around and act like human beings, they have poisoned America with their filthy jungle songs, dances and attitudes. Look at the crime rates! It's all Lincoln's fault, that fucking gorilla traitor.
nicodagger 1 year ago
Can anyone tell me what album the songs from 2:18 to 3:40 is from?
MrPatriot1911 1 year ago
wer the south racist? just asking. thnks
Xanatos1000 1 year ago
@Xanatos1000
well, DUH.. American History class much?
KarenRosieRay 1 year ago
i like the to arms to arms in dixie
Xanatos1000 1 year ago
i might be a northerner but i have to say the south had good songs
opanaz 1 year ago
The South Was Right! Still is.
SinandSatan 1 year ago
Thank God for the preservation of the Union!
footbagal 1 year ago
calm down...
BABvengence 1 year ago
Dates are a little off. Civil War started in 1861, not 1860. Dec. 1860 is simply when South Carolina seceded.
FreiherrvonTersch 2 years ago
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Anyone seen my lost nigger? I also have a couple that ain't mine, just in case you lost one.
MrSmokestoomuch 2 years ago
Our heritage is rich in grievious decension, glorious unification, noble peace and bloody wars, hell we are more than one song or two songs, we are the home of every goddamned thing good on this planet, and we take it for granted more than any spoiled brat ever kicked his momma, especially today. "Freedom can breed contemptuous fools"
travlnhank 2 years ago
That war was about more than one specific thing, it was even in todays standards one of the worst wars ever. To say it was just because of slavery, or economics, or states rights is to try and say only one side in any war is righteous and the other evil. I had ancestors on both sides, the winner of every war gets to write its history. A war veteran myself, in Viet Nam, I hear all kinds of bullshit about that war.
travlnhank 2 years ago
we better be thankful the south didnt win, what would we have done in the two world wars? we would have probably been taken over by germany
dokosc89 2 years ago
@dokosc89 Or asked the C.S.A. (allies) to assist the U.S.A.
proudrebel69 2 years ago 3
Tell'em where Ike Eisenhower, George Patton, Bedel Smith, Craigton Abrams, William West Moreland and of course Audie Murphy WW2, and Sgt. York WW1, were all from? Then Black Jack Persing and Teddys Rough Riders were from the SOUTH, so i guess you could say we lost the civil war but won two World Wars, not to mention that the North lost over 300,000 (KIA) the south 140,000. Hmmm read history Dokosc89
travlnhank 2 years ago
Right brother, and thank you for your service. I had an uncle that I never knew. He was murdered by gooks two weeks before he was to come home, already had his papers and everything.
proudrebel69 2 years ago
eisenhower was from pennsylvania, macarthur from illinois, william donovan from new york, and westmoreland wasnt from the south but from california
gobabygo90809 2 years ago
Sorry gobabygo90809, Check out Wikipedia. Mac Arthur: B. Ark, raised at Ft. Sam in Texas. Patton: Calif but father was confederate S.Carolina. Eisenhower: B. Denison Texas. Omar Bradley:B. Missouri (southern sympathizer). and last William Westmoreland: B. Saxon S.Carolina. Read your history
travlnhank 2 years ago
Creighton Abrams was from Mass. but graduated in Texas and lived his life there. and I was incorrect about Bedel Smith, although he lived in Virginia most of his life
travlnhank 2 years ago
It is odd to think about. If it were still two seperate countries, there would be some more issues down the road.
OohcoolProductions 2 years ago
Thats funny you say that, the Greatest winningest Generals/ leaders in the civil war were from the south. Had not the north been availed of unlimited man power and material it may have been different, especially leaders, lol, it took 3yrs and the loss of many good southern leaders (Jackson) for the north to finally find two decent generals. The same holds true for the second world war, especially in Europe. Patton was the grandson of a great S. Carolina General.
travlnhank 2 years ago
Interesting comment. IMO if the south would have been allowed to secede from the USA or would have won the Civil War, I do not believe it would have made it to the 20th century intact. It would have been ripe for the taking by many different nations at that time that would have invaded it readily (and won). The CSA wouldn't have made it to WWI.
7tnorris 2 years ago
Never underestimate the ability of people fighting to preserve their homes and way of life.
SWVRoma 1 year ago
@SWVRoma Good point. I have made this statement a few times in forums but you have given the best reply so far.
;-)
7tnorris 1 year ago
Im actually a northerner. But i think that the south should have won their independance if they wanted it.
nightterrors100 2 years ago 11
@nightterrors100 wow you dont see many people say that thank you.
REfanboys1 2 years ago
@nightterrors100 Thank you neighbor.
proudrebel69 2 years ago
How awesome of you to put things so simple and honest, with the exclusion of slavery and I totally agree with you. Slavery by the way was on it's way out, had emancipation not been an issue after Gettysburg, the south would probably have sued for peace, and the Jim Crow south would not have been as it was.
travlnhank 2 years ago
@nightterrors100 that may happen if things don't change
odog65 1 year ago