I disagree about what he last said about people believing those that they know over studies they hear about on the Internet. That's how a lot of people get conned by things in general. They would rather believe anyone backing up their claims with slightly scary, dramatic and seemingly educated information rather than the intuition and common sense of themselves or others around them. It's not about facts, it's about who you "trust".
Vaccines have not irradicated ONE SINGLE DISEASE . It was conclusively proven that the Polio vaccine caused most of the Polio cases in America in the 1950s . "Polio" was shown to actually be DDT poisoning and ended when DDT was phased out . In Wisconsin those who had Polio vaccines were 5 times as likely to get Polio and in New York it was 3 times . The government was so embarassed they changed the criteria from symptoms of 24 hours to 30 days to drope the rates of Polio.
I bet if you guys told them that the world was flat they would believe you. Why dont you tell them why there is so many vaccines now. Because pharma is loosing patent on their drugs.
Hmmm.. It is rational and right to vaccinate against serious illness, however I think there is a responsibility to try to find ways to screen for people that are at risk of serious side effects when these effects are discovered, so that people in these groups can be excluded from vaccination in the future, as for them the risk of living in a generally immunized population may very well be much less than the risk of getting the side-effects from the vaccine.
@tr41 Yes. Such screenings are done, but their reliability is still limited. The choice is this: administer a vaccine and possibly kill around 1 a million people because of the limited reliability of screenings, or not administer a vaccine and allow tens of thousands to die, and hundreds of thousands to have permanent brain damage. Think of it. Is the choice really that hard?
No, they contain dead samples of current viruses so our immune systems can adjust and adapt to the proteins found within the viruses. Sometimes live virus is contained inside certain vaccines, but those are generally the same risk factor, which is present but remarkably low. Vaccines are helpful and necessary to protect public health.
They contain the virus that causes the disease in a weakened form in order for your organism to adapt to it instead of die by it and protect you from getting harmed in the future.
You mean by unnamed studies I sent you a direct link to that were published in JAMA and theNew England Journal of Medicine , testified to in front of the United States Congress ? You lie and say there are no studies , then lie and say the studies are not peer reviewed , then lie and say I didn't name the studies . I sent you links to over 50 peer reviewed papers backing me up . You sent me I know you are but what am I ? You are not intelligent or informed enough for debate on this topic .
kabloozie, give it up, I'm done kiddo, why waste your time here? Go sway Gary Null. Spend your time on bigger fish. Prove him wrong and topple his empire. Then your "honest & ethical" pharmaceutical companies can enslave us all. Don't get so worked up over comments on YouTube. They are just oppinions...
Don't get too worked up MindofaJedi, some are hired by companies to argue in forums like this. Some are just kids trying to sound grown-up and like to argue. Some are students still clinging to the professors every word. Who knows. Do you find it interesting that some feel the need to defend large corporate interests? Are they typical sheeple in the trance of consumerism? or more? Give opinions freely to raise awareness. Sheep hate awareness. Leave debates at a higher level.
2 phenoxyethanol . It isn't about the name , but the molecular composition . Ethylene glycol phenol ether is what chemical distributers call it . It's use is restricted even in cosmetics in Japan because of its known toxicity . I did not say it was the same . Anyway I agree that all toxins are dependant on dose . I do think its odd that "cleaner " versions of single batch vaccines are available and most people don't know it . They are only slightly more expensive .
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Children are dying as a direct result of vaccination . Measles has a 1 in 4,000 chance in killing you , every single vaccine causes damage to every person who takes it 100% of the time . Aluminum , phenol , formaldehyde , MSG , benzethonium ,phenoxyethanol ,are never supposed to be injected into your bloodstream . The new Swine Flu vaccine does contain Mercury . The German version of the Swine Flu vaccine does not . Neither has been tested for safety .
Actually, MindofaJedi is correct but the effects come late in life for mostly in the form of dementia but other side effects too. However, do the long term effects out-weigh the benefits of the vaccine? Well, I would say No! However, getting a vaccine is a PERSONAL decision thus far.
Yes, that makes tremendous sense. Despite billions of years of evolutionary history, no germ or virus has ever developed the ability to overcome a proper juice regimen. Good thinking!
@MindofaJedi You could also stand on your head and meditate while chewing curcumin. Look at all the good it's done in India. They at least don't have these ridiculously long lifespans of eighty years and over.
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The human body can fight off any illness if it is healthy . 90% of Americans are very unhealthy . They eat trash , comsume too much alchohol and drugs , and take prescription meds and tylenol regularly . Vaccines are unatural and damaging . I would never take one , I refused in Ghana and again in Peru . I never got even slightly ill . I drink the water when I go to Mexico and it nevers hurts me . All because of my diet , nutrition keeps my immunity strong .
You mean 100% factual statements . Everything I said was well established fact . Phenol , formaldehyde and thimerosal are in the H1N1 vaccine .Fact . The German version does not have thimerosal or Aluminum . Fact . Thimerosal and other heavy metals damage the human body . Fact . 2 Phenoxyethanol is in 7 common vaccines and is nearly identical to antifreeze . Fact . Unvaccinated children have 20 times less auto immune disease . Fact . Which part was crazy ?
Every chemist knows that "solely the dose determines that thing is not a poison." Salt is toxic in large enough doses. Sucrose is toxic in large enough doses. Water is toxic in large enough doses. Btw, Phenoxyethanol is an organic compound in face creams and sunscreen. I think you mean polyethylene glycol, used in vaccines and sexual lubricants. The stuff in antifreeze is ethylene glycol which is toxic, but not used in vaccines. Just because the name is similar, doesn't make it the same.
In your opinion , are these "cleaner" or preservative free vaccines safer ? Why are they used more in Germany ? Would you recommend these to parents ? I am asking you your opinion earnestly , not to be a smartass . I am very curious as to why the MMR vaccine for example can be purchased without the Aluminum in it , at least this is what I am told .
(you know the germans, they make great stuff.....)
MMR vaccines, as well as polio, influenza, varicella, MCV4 don't contain aluminum salts as an adjuvant because it's not needed. The DTP, DTaP,HiB, Hepatitis A, B, Human Papillomavirus, Anthrax and Rabies contain aluminum salts as an adjuvant. BTW, breast milk contains approximately 40 micrograms of aluminum per liter. Your body has about 1/5 of a teaspoon of aluminum in it at any one time. It's a very abundant metal in the environment.
@MindofaJedi Fact: not disinfecting your food will kill you. Fact: disinfecting your food will kill you. Which part was crazy? None: the affirmations are simply so incomplete and general that they are meaningless. As are yours.
lipo, again you make very little sense. To rehash your comments is really a waste of time for me and I'm tired of your offensive manner. Frankly this conversation with you is wasting my time. You have a good evening.
I make little sense to you because you have liitle sense that has not been programmed into you and you did not bother to research what I directed you to.Don't forget your booster shots =D
No, you make little sense at all. It is that simple. Your comments indicate a very poor science education and a real commitment to the hysterical and supernatural mentality. Direct all you want; such references typically lead to the unfounded and nonscientific rants of the illogical such as yourself. Live in your make-believe world if you must, but don't anticipate respect from logical and educated people. Your talk of "programming" is really quite childish.
The only thing here that is simple here are your thought patterns and trust in ''government institutions'' controlled bt organizations you have not researched. =D
''Typically''.Meaning you lump contrary data into preformed catergories and will stick to your programming reinforced by ''experts'' you dare not challange for lack of intellectual capacity =/
Rather a simplistic retort. I have looked at many of the "references" people like you suggest. They are invariably anecdotal and devoid of scientific foundation and a waste of my time. Again with the programming. Are you not capable of learning in a logical setting? Why would you want to continue to be intellectually bankrupt?
Well this has often come up but again: Variolation was a practice of the far east wherein a child was intentionally infected with smallpox. If the child lived, it was immune to smallpox for the rest of its life. If it died, one simply had more children. Jenner is credited with the first medical vaccine, also smallpox. You can learn these things in school. If you work hard like the rest of us on your education, you can be proud of it instead of just displaying paranoia on YT.
You know kid, I worked very hard for years on an education and degree of scientific understanding. To bandy facts with such a poor thinker as you is really offensive. You just continue to believe that the boogerman is out there gunning for you and continue to show your ignorance all you want. Please stop wasting my time. It is more valuable than yours is apparently.
Then if you are able research who founded and financed the UN and what thier philosophy is.But that is too diffifult for your simple mind to go into.Go back to chewing your grass little sheep =D
Retard-I was a pre-medical student and was accepted to Mt.Sinai but declined when I learned that physcians work for HMOs where they are called ''venders'' =D
It is quite obvious why you couldn't make it in medicine or any other science. Keep showing your ass; you have convinced me you are a pathetic idiot. Find another use for your time.
To help you along with your education in where the idea originate try ''Modern Developments in Medicine'' and then follow ''the money and philosophy trail'' =D
Well again more paranoid bull. Follow the money and philosophy trail. What utter childish crap. Imagine an educational failure "helping" me with education! You just don't realize how foolish you sound. If your goal was to be offensive, you have achieved it. If you wanted to appear foolish and childish, you have. Now find a more mature and constructive use of your time. Give your education another try and don't screw it up this time. Is this the best use of your time?
Well again you display your ignorance.Surely your little mind realizes that he who holds the purse dictates policy and can bend scientific results to that agenda. No? =D
Sad. Sad but common. Shouldn't you be worried that the "Illuminati" or some other boogymen are going to get you? Being insulted by a child like mind such as yours poses no worries for me. Now really buzz off and get a life. What you say wasn't interesting even at the begining.
I think you have quoted the wrong person.For one thing I know how to spell.Secondly- it looks like it might be taken from the [non-fictional] work of H.G. Wells called ''The Open Conspiracy'' =/
It was not a direct quotation, it was simply a paraphrase. It was meant to mock your idea that real life is in fact, and action movie. But I am sorry to say that Dr. No is not a real person, and he is not running a giant conspiracy with the drug companies to give everyone autism. Just because the computer nerd college dropout fighting against the evil corporations is always right in the movies, does not mean they are correct in real life.
''It was not a direct quotation, it was simply a paraphrase.'' I was aware of this retard.You know in scientific studies the ability to recognize sarcasm has been directly correlated to intelligence =D
My dear retard I have two degrees and work for the Federal Government. I take it this drop out you are referring to is yourself.Now when you are done f*cking your mother tonight go have a read at a history book and educate your dumb white ass =D
"My dear retard" OW, my feelings!!!!! "I have two degrees", so does Kent Hovind. "and work for the Federal Government.", so do the janitors at the Pentagon. "I take it this drop out you are referring to is yourself", your attempt at spinning that joke fell on its face, hard. "... f*cking your mother tonight", your mom jokes, reserved for only the most mature of people. "read at a history book", no comment needed.
"Oh no, he pointed out that my beliefs are stupid and absurd, but since I am unable to defeat his claim by backing up my position with verifiable scientific data, I will point out the one single spelling mistake he made. I should also randomly name off a book title to make me look smart, yea. It's perfect!" - Lipoicacid
Then go read the Japanese study showing direct correlation of vaccines containing mercury to autism and articles showing pharmaceutical companies publishing front medical journals...then go f*ck your mother again =D
I looked up the paper you suggested, I guess the reason I could not find a single copy in a trusted peer reviewed journal is because the corporations are trying to suppress the truth. Although if you Google "vsd autism pdf" you will find a great list of peer reviewed scientific studies showing no correlation to vaccines and autism (they were probably funded by the corporations!).
Is it really true that certain vaccinations can cause Autism? please someone give me some evindence to support or deny this information?? I hope it's false info because many childrens' lives could be saved because of them.
No No No No. vaccines do not cause autism. Gluten doesn't cause autism. Cheese doesn't cause autism. it's very likely genetic, but most certainly, your childhood vaccines do not cause it. However, listening to Jenny McCarthy does cause a significant drop in IQ.
Let's see... Autism shot up as vaccines did. The CDC records indicate that Flu vaccines are useless. Pharmaceutical companies are ROUTINELY fined by the FDA and get exposed for misleading the public on a daily basis. Sure, I'll use their products when the government has executed me for not giving in
Ziggy, the CDC records indicate that Flu vaccines are useless??? Really? Which CDC are you talking about? Please show a link or citation so I can see this.
Please educate yourself on the difference between causation and correlation. During the summer, crime goes up, but that doesn't mean summer causes crime.
I am quite aware of the difference between causation and correlation . Vaccines are definately a causation of Autism . There is no science that can back up claims to the contrary . Unvaccinated children have a Autism rate of 1 in 30,000 . Were you being sarcastic about the Germans ? It is notable that their vaccines have shown higher efficacy according to every world renowned health organisation .What about the study showing 70% of SIDS deaths occur within 3 weks after DPT vaccines ?
You're against vaccines for irrational reasons. You point to vague, unnamed 'studies', you throw out numbers you probably glommed off some homeopathy site. I don't know (nor do I care) where you get your 'studies', but I would suggest they are either outdated, biased, inaccurate or incorrect. If you don't want to be vaccinated, feel free. Just keep your ignorance, paranoia and bad spelling to yourself.
In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.
In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)
The fact that you would cite a single study which is 20 years old and believe that that single study outweighs the hundreds of studies which fly in its face shows that you have learned nothing from James Randi and leaves me wondering why you are watching his videos.
If you can't weigh all the evidence against itself/each other and are going to cling to a single 20 year old study done while ignoring all the more recent contradicting data, no critical thinker is interested in your inane banter.
@zutroy1 This is not a matter of "clinging" to a single study which is 20 years old. It is a matter of accepting the inescapable consequence of a study which was so overwhelming that it makes no sense repeating it. This is not a narrowminded, crazy vaccine-nut fallacy. Think of it, how many randomized double-blind studies do you know of parachutes? None. Why? Because parachutes are so overwhelmingly life-saving, that we don't need the studies.
In real science, there is never a study that is not worth repeating. Real science uses multiple rounds of a test to come to a conclusion. Doing something once does not assure you've found the real results. Even parachutes designs go through multiple test to make sure they aren't likely to fail mid air.
@stbays Your principle is valid. However, I challenge you to find volunteers to jump out of a plane at 10,000 feet without parachute. I think we can relatively safely assume you won't find very many. Such a study is not worh repeating. Now, from this to comparing different parachute designs is a big difference. Obviously, such studies would be more than worth the trouble, at least a priori.
@stbays Valid argument. Unfortunately, crash test dummies are very unreliable for predicting many injuries. You need real people. For car safety, corpses are sometimes used. I haven't heard of them being used for parachutes. Maybe they are. Nevertheless, I think that we can agree that comparing a parachute to a no-parachute is probably not a very useful test at this stage, but that comparing one type of parachute to another, is.
Yeah, the comparison is probably not the best we could probably come up with. And I'm glad if nothing else, that my thoughts are basically valid. I try hard to make sure my thoughts are relevant.
Well I honestly don't have anything else to add. Hopefully you'll continue to find relevant information from the others who show up. Take care.
@stbays I agree. My point is not that tests are useless, it is mainly that tests have to be seen in a context and that this context renders them more or less useful. I like the parachute example because it illustrates very well the absurdity of anti-vax thinking by using a metaphor even the least uneducated among us can understand without giving it a second thought.
@stbays I just -sort of- retracted the comment you were reacting to. While my comment was valid, it is simply not a valid reply to the comment preceding it. I am puzzled about what happened here.
A thought hit me. One reason these test are being done on a product that's considered safe is the entire "anti-vax" movement has been demanding further tests. If that hadn't happened, the test would most likely be over and done with.
@stbays I completely agree. On the one hand, it is good to do supplementary testing. After all, we never know enough. However, given the way we register adverse effects and effectiveness, we can also say that tests simply continue after approval, which is precisely the only way to find out about very rare adverse effects. People are somewhat unrealistic to expect the prediction of a 1/100,000 adverse effect in a test on 2,000 patients ^_^
Some people can be a bit weird. Though I think it's not that just some people are weird. I think all people have their subject that makes them seem weird.
Hopefully one day we can put the whole vax thing down once and for all.
@stbays I hope so too. But I doubt it very much. Some people simply can't accept reality. And maybe, just maybe, we need them. By bringing forth their crackpot ideas, they force us to make really, really, really sure that the science is right. In a way, these crackpots are voluntarily laying down their lives (and, unfortunately, the lives of their children) so that we (and our children) may live.
@BartBVanBockstaele On the other hand, the anti-vaxers make us waste scarce resources that are now not available for more urgent tests. That is not good. Also, with anti-vaxers, you can't win. If you don't test anymore they accuse you of suppressing a horrifying reality, if you do test at their urging, they use that as "proof" that there is a hidden horrible truth after all..
BTW, in case you're wondering, I am pro-vax. I think they've done a lot of good and saved millions of lives. I also think you get more mercury from a can of tuna then you get from all the vaccinations combined. I also do not believe they cause Autism.
@stbays I am of the same opinion. Which makes me wonder about the nature of "opinion": is believing a fact really an opinion? Vaccines work. Some of them work incredibly well. As for the mercury, this is essentially a non-issue. We are talking about such ridiculously small amounts that they are meaningless. Second, there is no mercury in vaccines. There is thimerosal/thiomersal. This is not mercury, in much the same way that hemoglobin is not iron, and that table salt is not chlorine.
@BartBVanBockstaele Reading my comment to zutroy1's comment, I must admit that my comment makes no sense at all in this context. Obviously, I was reacting to something else, or, at least I thought I did. The fact of the matter is that, although my comment is perfectly valid, it is in no way a valid response to zutroy1's comment. Therefore:
Please do not read the preceding comment as a reaction to zutroy1's comment. My comment must stand alone.
- In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)
- In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)
- In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)
- In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)
- In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )
- In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)
- In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)
In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)
- In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)
The vested interests decide what history is going to be, and then they feed it to us. Here are some hard facts.
- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)
This is so relieving to see. Whenever I type the word vaccine into google or youtube I am faced with a barrage of anti vac pseudo scientific nonsense, people who think methyl and ethyl mercury are the same as each other. People who think the 1918 pandemic "was just aspirin poisoning". Favourited and 5 starred. I can only hope it gets to the top of the search rankings soon before the idiots do some real damage during the coming flu season.
It would be funny, in an ironic sort of way, to see someone like sarge1775usmc using the expression closed minded (sic) or sheeple but for the sad fact that so many mentally lazy people believe that CAPITALIZED COMMENTS and multiple! exclamation! points! elevate opinion to the level of fact.
Has 'sarge' bothered to consider the effect that ammunition made with depleted uranium may have on troops, or the effects of many of the chemicals they come into contact with? Do facts confuse him?
Sarge1775USMC, you really need to go take a high school chemistry class. You are obviously misinformed on the basic science behind this issue. Please educate yourself.
Well, once again it's obvious that people with no discernible intelligence, let alone education, are beating their chests and trumpeting their ignorance. There are facts and there are opinions. Do not confuse the two. Too many are easily duped into mistaking coincidence for causality, and are too lazy to do any further research from credible sources. It's easy to tell who these people are, usually by the exclamation point count in their posts and the capitalizations in their sign-offs.
"The west is a lot cleaner place than back in the day when these diseases were killing people - so the risk of catching these diseases regardless of vaccine is low anyway, IMO."
Certainly it can be said for diseases like polio and such where we know we can prevent sickness and death through a simple vaccination.
It's important for people, who believe similar to the one you quoted above, to understand that influenza (flu) infection is transmitted through respiratory channels. Unlike a gastrointestinal infection that's transmitted through contact with fecal matter.
Keep it clean but still take your vaccine! See you all at the clinic.
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Does this video prove that the swine flu vaccination, or all vaccinations are safe? no - there has already been an instance back in the 70s when the vaccination killed more than the flu itself.
You don't have to be 'pro vaccine' or 'pro anti vaccine'. Some vaccines are fine some are bad. simple as that.
The west is a lot cleaner place than back in the day when these diseases were killing people - so the risk of catching these diseases regardless of vaccine is low anyway, IMO.
More people killed by a vaccine than by the disease it prevented? I'd like to see that particular data. Do you have a link?
Secondly, yeah, diseases aren't spreading the way they did before vaccines, because of, you know, vaccines. If one person in an immune herd stops vaccinating, disease still won't spread and that person will be fine. But if the immunization percentage drops below a certain number, diseases can spread and anyone not vaccinated is going down.
In fact this is what's been happening in several places in America and Australia.
The great downfall of people not getting sick is that everyone forgets that these bygone diseases are still lurking out there, and the only reason we don't have leper colonies anymore is that we vaccinate our kids.
Leandro, learn today: This post is run by JEWS. The Pharma criminals are JEWS. Some time back, israhell dumped on the net a horde of parasite israelis to disinform, confuse, argue stupidly, and divert attention from their natural criminality in Palestine. Today, these same JEWS are trying to innoculate 90% of the world pop, so they can own the planet. Dumb retard idiots. Their destiny was sealed 2000 years ago. Beast to the Abyss. So Be It!
Oh FFS, crack a high school chemistry book, you conspiracy theorists. While you're at it, crack a history book and look up the diseases vaccines have saved millions from.
The differences in forms of mercury are spelled out for you below by other posters. Use your heads and think for a minute instead of screaming IN ALL CAPS!!!!!!!! about your fictional plots to poison OUR CHILDREN!!!!
Sob, stupid jew, you game is over, idiot. Only you asses believe you can fool the goy anymore. Start looking for a sewer hole to hide. Your criminal plot is firing back on you all idiots.
Seek professional mental help! I'm not kidding, you bear the markers of a deranged lunatic mind commit yourself to an institution before you harm yourself or others.
sarge, don't mind these stupid jew idiots. This is their post, and they swarm like maggots on a dead body. Their time is up. They lie uncovered by the internet, worldwide. Every scam they try is only one more nail in their stupid coffins. Death to the Jew World Odor.
The anti-vaxer arguments ultimately boil down to this: ignorance of chemistry or outright fabrication. I've heard many say manufacturers put anti-freeze and aluminum in vaccines. Fabrication, obviously. On the other end you have those who can't realize that different molecules behave differently in the complex biochemical systems of the human body. Ethylmercury is not equivalent to other substances that contain mercury atoms in their molecular structure!
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Here's where an Infectious Disease Expert says, "The vaccine is MORE dangerous than the actual swine flu and that THERE IS SQUALENE & THIMEROSAL IN IT."
Sgt, Google 'Are jews intelligent'. 'Blood Passover'. 'The Talmud unmasked'. 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'. 'Kill the Best Gentiles'. 'The Synagogue of Satan'. 'Henry Kissinger Population Control Document'. 'The Hidden Hand'. 'Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution'. 'Who brought the slaves to America'. 'The Plot against Christianity'. 'Agenda 21 of the United Nations'. 'Adolf Hitler, founder of israel'. 'Debunking genocide myth'. 'Jane Burgermeister lawsuit'. 'Swine Flu Hoax'.
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Hey, thanks for all the wonderful comments but I'm going to listen to Russel Blaylock, a board certified neurosurgeon... and not a 3 year pediatrician who may be getting a payoff from big pharma.
Sgt: I've had all the childhood vaccines more years ago than I'd like to count and I'm just fine, thanks! The worst thing I got was a mild case of measles. Grew up drinking water with fluoride too.
Rentamobi-Polio vaccine caused AIDS? How come myself and all the hundreds of thousands that were vaccinated along with me don't have it?
You have absolutely no idea what AIDS is or where it came from.
You're arguing with the wrong person... I never brought up AIDS. And how can you tell the vaccines haven't had an adverse reaction? Can't go back in time and do a split test, can you? Maybe you'd be a lot smarter.
SissyCissy homosexual jew, you are full of shit. jews don't vaccinate cos they know the poisons their vaccines have for goys. You can talk your mouth out, it's no use. The world knows of your criminal intent, and proof is this joint full of sewer rats, lying their asses and mouths together. The Abyss is wating, for 2000 thousand years. Your time is up... or down.
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Hooya, Calcium fluoride is good for you in small doses when applied topically to the teeth... it does your teeth no good when taken internally and can cause fluorosis. Now, what they put in the water is Sodium Fluoride which is a catch-all term for a bunch of waste products (metals & chemicals) that get added in. Sodium Fluoride eats holes in your brain. Did The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment really happen? What about the Ringworm Children?
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Sodium fluoride is a TOXIC INDUSTRIAL WASTE! It is POISON! If anyone ever saw a bag of sodium fluoride that gets put in your water, it has a SKULL and CROSS BONES on it and says POISON! Only an idiot, absolute fool, would drink something that has a freakin skull and cross bones saying POISON. HELLO, why the neg's??? Wake up America!
sarge, these idiots are JEWS. They are behind the fluoridation of water, since the times of their Bolshevik counterparts in massacred Russia. Then continued in Nazi (ashkeNAZI ) Germany, to apease the prisioners from revolting. Them bastards are doing it now in the US and other countries. AS THEY SOW SO SHALL THEY REAP. Beast to the Abyss for a thousand years, aka, eternity.
Squalene in vaccines has been strongly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome. On August 1991, Anthony Principi, Secretary of Veterans Affairs admitted that soldiers vaccinated with the anthrax vaccine from 1990 to 1991 had an increased risk of 200 percent in developing the deadly disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also called Lou Gehrig's disease. The soldiers also suffered from a number of debilitating and life-shortening diseases.
small pox was not in north america until the white man came here and what about the polio vaccine num nuts it caused aids ! think not look up the origins of aids and what happen in stanllyvill oh yes this happend don't take my word for it just look it up .
Anti-Vaccination thinking is yet another ridiculous step backwards. The countless lives and needless suffering that has been averted since the introduction of vaccines is proof enough of their safety and effectiveness.
Of course some people will always be allergic etc., but it is a risk well taking, giving the illnesses that can be prevented.
Why must people see a conspiracy in everything? Maybe we should just go back to potions, chanting and rattles.
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That's a strawman argument. People are not "Anti-Vaccine"... they are "Anti-Adjuvant"
People don't want all the poisons that get added in as a soft-kill weapon. The natural mercury that's in Thimerosal, a vaccine adjuvant, stays in your brain forever. If you want that, go crack open a thermometer and drink its contents. And have a nice day =)
"If you want that, go crack open a thermometer and drink its contents. "
The stuff in a thermometer is not the same as thimerosal. Your ignorance shows. Besides, it's been taken out of most vaccines, so you have nothing to complain about, right? Oh, but wait, autism rates are still going up! hmm...
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Yeah, right. FYI, natural mercury is MORE dangerous than the stuff in a thermometer. Nice little ad hominem attack ,sweetie. Do they teach you that at MERCK or Pfizer? And no, it hasn't been taken out... look at the inserts.
You mean methyl mercury? Sure. It's soluble. But ethyl mercury is what vaccines carried. But now that they've reduced that to trace amounts, the rate of autism is still going up.
"you must have stock in the vaccine company or something. "
I know vaccines don't cause autism. Everyone who disagrees with you doesn't work for a pharmacy. It's not a Dan Brown novel. This is reality, and the reality is that people will die from not getting their vaccines, and people like you are to blame.
Elemental mercury and the common form of environmental mercury ("Methylmercury") are known to be toxic. The named mercury in Thimerosal is called "Ethylmercury" - an organic molecule that incorporates a mercury atom. The anti-vax people say "mercury" and prey upon people's ignorance of the exact substance. "Mercury" to most means the kind in thermostats or fish.
The presence of an atom of mercury does not make the substance toxic. Think of the difference between H2O and H2O2 - only one atom.
Sgt, they may not have stock, or they may, they are JEWS. They lie to kill the goy, natural born murderers, crucifiers of the Christ. Damned they are. This post is by them, and is infested by them. Buy MMS by Jim Humble, and Thieves Oil (by the jew!) and beat these animals in their scam. Death to the Jew World Pestilence.
I agree, with so many getting a vaccine, it is also inevitable that a few will have an adverse reaction to it, but that number is less that the number of the people getting an adverse reaction to the real bug.
Totally debunked by 30 years of Medical Research. Don't google it, search Pubmed and see actual medical research that shows no link between "your" mercury and problems such as autism and other neurological conditions. This really is an old piece of BS.
I read pubmed at least 30 times per day for a least a decade since pre-med.Simply reading results from abstracts is not sufficient.You must also study the methodology [and] who sponsored it.
lipo, I'm happy to hear you do. However most people commenting don't have subscriptions to the journals contributing to Pubmed. It is unrealistic to suggest that they examine the methodology of each paper. These papers are peer reviewed if you remember. Most abstracts provide people with the results/conclusions in an understandable manner. It is very hard for me to reconcile your statement "30 times per day" with your other comments.
I recommend you go to ''childhealthsafety.wordpress'' for links to a mountain of research studies and articles which contradict the data you refer to...
You see when you know the agenda you are not suprised to learn later on that researchers and medical journals were paid to alter and manufacture data...
Then- if you know where to look [I doubt it] you can read the words of the people who fund vaccine reasearch and distribution and try to ''reconcile'' that with the propaganda that you have lapped up =/
nice video....
gadionson1 1 month ago
I disagree about what he last said about people believing those that they know over studies they hear about on the Internet. That's how a lot of people get conned by things in general. They would rather believe anyone backing up their claims with slightly scary, dramatic and seemingly educated information rather than the intuition and common sense of themselves or others around them. It's not about facts, it's about who you "trust".
FeralRat 10 months ago
Vaccines have not irradicated ONE SINGLE DISEASE . It was conclusively proven that the Polio vaccine caused most of the Polio cases in America in the 1950s . "Polio" was shown to actually be DDT poisoning and ended when DDT was phased out . In Wisconsin those who had Polio vaccines were 5 times as likely to get Polio and in New York it was 3 times . The government was so embarassed they changed the criteria from symptoms of 24 hours to 30 days to drope the rates of Polio.
MindofaJedi 1 year ago
Big pharma pays well it seems.
myastroflight 1 year ago
@myastroflight It does. Sometimes. Not nearly as well as Big Placebo, however.
BartBVanBockstaele 1 year ago
38 people are Jenny McCarthy.
havvyweponsman 1 year ago
I bet if you guys told them that the world was flat they would believe you. Why dont you tell them why there is so many vaccines now. Because pharma is loosing patent on their drugs.
epsilonposix 1 year ago
Hmmm.. It is rational and right to vaccinate against serious illness, however I think there is a responsibility to try to find ways to screen for people that are at risk of serious side effects when these effects are discovered, so that people in these groups can be excluded from vaccination in the future, as for them the risk of living in a generally immunized population may very well be much less than the risk of getting the side-effects from the vaccine.
tr41 1 year ago
@tr41 Yes. Such screenings are done, but their reliability is still limited. The choice is this: administer a vaccine and possibly kill around 1 a million people because of the limited reliability of screenings, or not administer a vaccine and allow tens of thousands to die, and hundreds of thousands to have permanent brain damage. Think of it. Is the choice really that hard?
BartBVanBockstaele 1 year ago
@AntiVaccine:
Drama queen!
Robtehman 1 year ago
Oh yeah. That's exactly what we take them for. Good point, but hey; Where did you get that information from? Your head?
justforflag2 1 year ago
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Stop lying to people that these recent vaccines are good. Vaccines nowadays contain virus' that cause horrible diseases.
MrDaisOne 2 years ago
No, they contain dead samples of current viruses so our immune systems can adjust and adapt to the proteins found within the viruses. Sometimes live virus is contained inside certain vaccines, but those are generally the same risk factor, which is present but remarkably low. Vaccines are helpful and necessary to protect public health.
MetroidStar890 2 years ago 11
They contain the virus that causes the disease in a weakened form in order for your organism to adapt to it instead of die by it and protect you from getting harmed in the future.
That's all there is inside.
justforflag2 1 year ago
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Ignorance and offensiveness is all I see here perpertrated by the lofty intellect of the "medical expert". Enjoy your propaganda peeps.
misterwolf29 2 years ago
obvious troll is obvious.
exugoareo 2 years ago
There you go you said it better than I could.
misterwolf29 2 years ago
You mean by unnamed studies I sent you a direct link to that were published in JAMA and theNew England Journal of Medicine , testified to in front of the United States Congress ? You lie and say there are no studies , then lie and say the studies are not peer reviewed , then lie and say I didn't name the studies . I sent you links to over 50 peer reviewed papers backing me up . You sent me I know you are but what am I ? You are not intelligent or informed enough for debate on this topic .
MindofaJedi 2 years ago
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ZiggyTrek 2 years ago
kabloozie, give it up, I'm done kiddo, why waste your time here? Go sway Gary Null. Spend your time on bigger fish. Prove him wrong and topple his empire. Then your "honest & ethical" pharmaceutical companies can enslave us all. Don't get so worked up over comments on YouTube. They are just oppinions...
ZiggyTrek 2 years ago
Don't get too worked up MindofaJedi, some are hired by companies to argue in forums like this. Some are just kids trying to sound grown-up and like to argue. Some are students still clinging to the professors every word. Who knows. Do you find it interesting that some feel the need to defend large corporate interests? Are they typical sheeple in the trance of consumerism? or more? Give opinions freely to raise awareness. Sheep hate awareness. Leave debates at a higher level.
ZiggyTrek 2 years ago
I think Mullets cause autism. Autism rates started going up AT THE SAME TIME mullets became popular - coincident?
I think not.
kabloozie 2 years ago 2
2 phenoxyethanol . It isn't about the name , but the molecular composition . Ethylene glycol phenol ether is what chemical distributers call it . It's use is restricted even in cosmetics in Japan because of its known toxicity . I did not say it was the same . Anyway I agree that all toxins are dependant on dose . I do think its odd that "cleaner " versions of single batch vaccines are available and most people don't know it . They are only slightly more expensive .
MindofaJedi 2 years ago
Bullshit... plain BS.
yount79 2 years ago
Joseph Albietz is hot.
oraclecrank 2 years ago
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Children are dying as a direct result of vaccination . Measles has a 1 in 4,000 chance in killing you , every single vaccine causes damage to every person who takes it 100% of the time . Aluminum , phenol , formaldehyde , MSG , benzethonium ,phenoxyethanol ,are never supposed to be injected into your bloodstream . The new Swine Flu vaccine does contain Mercury . The German version of the Swine Flu vaccine does not . Neither has been tested for safety .
MindofaJedi 2 years ago
Bullshit.
oraclecrank 2 years ago
Actually, MindofaJedi is correct but the effects come late in life for mostly in the form of dementia but other side effects too. However, do the long term effects out-weigh the benefits of the vaccine? Well, I would say No! However, getting a vaccine is a PERSONAL decision thus far.
99minerkc 2 years ago
Are you a doctor? Then forgive me if I disregard your medical opinion.
oraclecrank 2 years ago
Any peer reviewed evidence to back up your claim? I'll take silence to mean you don't and that you are talking out of your ass.
dante13xy 2 years ago 2
Buying a juicer and juicing organic produce daily will prevent disease better than any vaccine or antibiotic known to man .
MindofaJedi 2 years ago
Yes, that makes tremendous sense. Despite billions of years of evolutionary history, no germ or virus has ever developed the ability to overcome a proper juice regimen. Good thinking!
BKThorp 2 years ago 9
@MindofaJedi You could also stand on your head and meditate while chewing curcumin. Look at all the good it's done in India. They at least don't have these ridiculously long lifespans of eighty years and over.
BartBVanBockstaele 1 year ago
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The human body can fight off any illness if it is healthy . 90% of Americans are very unhealthy . They eat trash , comsume too much alchohol and drugs , and take prescription meds and tylenol regularly . Vaccines are unatural and damaging . I would never take one , I refused in Ghana and again in Peru . I never got even slightly ill . I drink the water when I go to Mexico and it nevers hurts me . All because of my diet , nutrition keeps my immunity strong .
MindofaJedi 2 years ago
90% of delusional people make claims like yours.
kabloozie 2 years ago 3
You mean 100% factual statements . Everything I said was well established fact . Phenol , formaldehyde and thimerosal are in the H1N1 vaccine .Fact . The German version does not have thimerosal or Aluminum . Fact . Thimerosal and other heavy metals damage the human body . Fact . 2 Phenoxyethanol is in 7 common vaccines and is nearly identical to antifreeze . Fact . Unvaccinated children have 20 times less auto immune disease . Fact . Which part was crazy ?
MindofaJedi 2 years ago
Every chemist knows that "solely the dose determines that thing is not a poison." Salt is toxic in large enough doses. Sucrose is toxic in large enough doses. Water is toxic in large enough doses. Btw, Phenoxyethanol is an organic compound in face creams and sunscreen. I think you mean polyethylene glycol, used in vaccines and sexual lubricants. The stuff in antifreeze is ethylene glycol which is toxic, but not used in vaccines. Just because the name is similar, doesn't make it the same.
kabloozie 2 years ago 3
In your opinion , are these "cleaner" or preservative free vaccines safer ? Why are they used more in Germany ? Would you recommend these to parents ? I am asking you your opinion earnestly , not to be a smartass . I am very curious as to why the MMR vaccine for example can be purchased without the Aluminum in it , at least this is what I am told .
MindofaJedi 2 years ago
(you know the germans, they make great stuff.....)
MMR vaccines, as well as polio, influenza, varicella, MCV4 don't contain aluminum salts as an adjuvant because it's not needed. The DTP, DTaP,HiB, Hepatitis A, B, Human Papillomavirus, Anthrax and Rabies contain aluminum salts as an adjuvant. BTW, breast milk contains approximately 40 micrograms of aluminum per liter. Your body has about 1/5 of a teaspoon of aluminum in it at any one time. It's a very abundant metal in the environment.
kabloozie 2 years ago
oh, and I would want any vaccine injected into my kid to have a preservative to ensure it's safety and efficacy.
kabloozie 2 years ago
@MindofaJedi Fact: not disinfecting your food will kill you. Fact: disinfecting your food will kill you. Which part was crazy? None: the affirmations are simply so incomplete and general that they are meaningless. As are yours.
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
lipo, again you make very little sense. To rehash your comments is really a waste of time for me and I'm tired of your offensive manner. Frankly this conversation with you is wasting my time. You have a good evening.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
I make little sense to you because you have liitle sense that has not been programmed into you and you did not bother to research what I directed you to.Don't forget your booster shots =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
No, you make little sense at all. It is that simple. Your comments indicate a very poor science education and a real commitment to the hysterical and supernatural mentality. Direct all you want; such references typically lead to the unfounded and nonscientific rants of the illogical such as yourself. Live in your make-believe world if you must, but don't anticipate respect from logical and educated people. Your talk of "programming" is really quite childish.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
The only thing here that is simple here are your thought patterns and trust in ''government institutions'' controlled bt organizations you have not researched. =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
''Typically''.Meaning you lump contrary data into preformed catergories and will stick to your programming reinforced by ''experts'' you dare not challange for lack of intellectual capacity =/
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Rather a simplistic retort. I have looked at many of the "references" people like you suggest. They are invariably anecdotal and devoid of scientific foundation and a waste of my time. Again with the programming. Are you not capable of learning in a logical setting? Why would you want to continue to be intellectually bankrupt?
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
I have no spiritual beliefs nor do I care what injections you accept or what you ''respect'' =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Since you are so very perhaps you would like to tell us who first introduced the idea of vaccines =/
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Well this has often come up but again: Variolation was a practice of the far east wherein a child was intentionally infected with smallpox. If the child lived, it was immune to smallpox for the rest of its life. If it died, one simply had more children. Jenner is credited with the first medical vaccine, also smallpox. You can learn these things in school. If you work hard like the rest of us on your education, you can be proud of it instead of just displaying paranoia on YT.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago 3
Wrong this is not where the idea began.Get to schooling yourself instead of being another ''unit'' =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
You know kid, I worked very hard for years on an education and degree of scientific understanding. To bandy facts with such a poor thinker as you is really offensive. You just continue to believe that the boogerman is out there gunning for you and continue to show your ignorance all you want. Please stop wasting my time. It is more valuable than yours is apparently.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
Then if you are able research who founded and financed the UN and what thier philosophy is.But that is too diffifult for your simple mind to go into.Go back to chewing your grass little sheep =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Retard-I was a pre-medical student and was accepted to Mt.Sinai but declined when I learned that physcians work for HMOs where they are called ''venders'' =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
It is quite obvious why you couldn't make it in medicine or any other science. Keep showing your ass; you have convinced me you are a pathetic idiot. Find another use for your time.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago 2
Interesting.I thought the same of you long ago.Now go do more research retard =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
So ''imagine'' dear retard an educational success educating you on where the idea of vaccines originated from since you were clearly wrong =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
To help you along with your education in where the idea originate try ''Modern Developments in Medicine'' and then follow ''the money and philosophy trail'' =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Well again more paranoid bull. Follow the money and philosophy trail. What utter childish crap. Imagine an educational failure "helping" me with education! You just don't realize how foolish you sound. If your goal was to be offensive, you have achieved it. If you wanted to appear foolish and childish, you have. Now find a more mature and constructive use of your time. Give your education another try and don't screw it up this time. Is this the best use of your time?
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
Well again you display your ignorance.Surely your little mind realizes that he who holds the purse dictates policy and can bend scientific results to that agenda. No? =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Sad. Sad but common. Shouldn't you be worried that the "Illuminati" or some other boogymen are going to get you? Being insulted by a child like mind such as yours poses no worries for me. Now really buzz off and get a life. What you say wasn't interesting even at the begining.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago 5
"Remember kids, everything is a conspiracy. Even the conspiracies them selfs!." -Lipoicacid
exugoareo 2 years ago
GBS is on the rise, I think you need a taste in your life, maybe your newborn baby perhaps.
misterwolf29 2 years ago
with just a 1 in a million chance why not!
misterwolf29 2 years ago
I think you have quoted the wrong person.For one thing I know how to spell.Secondly- it looks like it might be taken from the [non-fictional] work of H.G. Wells called ''The Open Conspiracy'' =/
lipoicacid 2 years ago
It was not a direct quotation, it was simply a paraphrase. It was meant to mock your idea that real life is in fact, and action movie. But I am sorry to say that Dr. No is not a real person, and he is not running a giant conspiracy with the drug companies to give everyone autism. Just because the computer nerd college dropout fighting against the evil corporations is always right in the movies, does not mean they are correct in real life.
exugoareo 2 years ago
''It was not a direct quotation, it was simply a paraphrase.'' I was aware of this retard.You know in scientific studies the ability to recognize sarcasm has been directly correlated to intelligence =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
I'm quite sure you were. ;)
(Thats a winking smiley face, to imply what I was saying was sarcastic in nature.)
exugoareo 2 years ago
My dear retard I have two degrees and work for the Federal Government. I take it this drop out you are referring to is yourself.Now when you are done f*cking your mother tonight go have a read at a history book and educate your dumb white ass =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
"My dear retard" OW, my feelings!!!!! "I have two degrees", so does Kent Hovind. "and work for the Federal Government.", so do the janitors at the Pentagon. "I take it this drop out you are referring to is yourself", your attempt at spinning that joke fell on its face, hard. "... f*cking your mother tonight", your mom jokes, reserved for only the most mature of people. "read at a history book", no comment needed.
exugoareo 2 years ago
Also, for satire,
"Oh no, he pointed out that my beliefs are stupid and absurd, but since I am unable to defeat his claim by backing up my position with verifiable scientific data, I will point out the one single spelling mistake he made. I should also randomly name off a book title to make me look smart, yea. It's perfect!" - Lipoicacid
exugoareo 2 years ago
Then go read the Japanese study showing direct correlation of vaccines containing mercury to autism and articles showing pharmaceutical companies publishing front medical journals...then go f*ck your mother again =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
I looked up the paper you suggested, I guess the reason I could not find a single copy in a trusted peer reviewed journal is because the corporations are trying to suppress the truth. Although if you Google "vsd autism pdf" you will find a great list of peer reviewed scientific studies showing no correlation to vaccines and autism (they were probably funded by the corporations!).
exugoareo 2 years ago
Is it really true that certain vaccinations can cause Autism? please someone give me some evindence to support or deny this information?? I hope it's false info because many childrens' lives could be saved because of them.
JohnnyX1239 2 years ago
No No No No. vaccines do not cause autism. Gluten doesn't cause autism. Cheese doesn't cause autism. it's very likely genetic, but most certainly, your childhood vaccines do not cause it. However, listening to Jenny McCarthy does cause a significant drop in IQ.
kabloozie 2 years ago 3
Let's see... Autism shot up as vaccines did. The CDC records indicate that Flu vaccines are useless. Pharmaceutical companies are ROUTINELY fined by the FDA and get exposed for misleading the public on a daily basis. Sure, I'll use their products when the government has executed me for not giving in
ZiggyTrek 2 years ago
Ziggy, the CDC records indicate that Flu vaccines are useless??? Really? Which CDC are you talking about? Please show a link or citation so I can see this.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
Please educate yourself on the difference between causation and correlation. During the summer, crime goes up, but that doesn't mean summer causes crime.
kabloozie 2 years ago
I am quite aware of the difference between causation and correlation . Vaccines are definately a causation of Autism . There is no science that can back up claims to the contrary . Unvaccinated children have a Autism rate of 1 in 30,000 . Were you being sarcastic about the Germans ? It is notable that their vaccines have shown higher efficacy according to every world renowned health organisation .What about the study showing 70% of SIDS deaths occur within 3 weks after DPT vaccines ?
MindofaJedi 2 years ago
You're against vaccines for irrational reasons. You point to vague, unnamed 'studies', you throw out numbers you probably glommed off some homeopathy site. I don't know (nor do I care) where you get your 'studies', but I would suggest they are either outdated, biased, inaccurate or incorrect. If you don't want to be vaccinated, feel free. Just keep your ignorance, paranoia and bad spelling to yourself.
kabloozie 2 years ago 2
In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
The fact that you would cite a single study which is 20 years old and believe that that single study outweighs the hundreds of studies which fly in its face shows that you have learned nothing from James Randi and leaves me wondering why you are watching his videos.
If you can't weigh all the evidence against itself/each other and are going to cling to a single 20 year old study done while ignoring all the more recent contradicting data, no critical thinker is interested in your inane banter.
zutroy1 2 years ago 9
@zutroy1 This is not a matter of "clinging" to a single study which is 20 years old. It is a matter of accepting the inescapable consequence of a study which was so overwhelming that it makes no sense repeating it. This is not a narrowminded, crazy vaccine-nut fallacy. Think of it, how many randomized double-blind studies do you know of parachutes? None. Why? Because parachutes are so overwhelmingly life-saving, that we don't need the studies.
BartBVanBockstaele 1 year ago
@BartBVanBockstaele
In real science, there is never a study that is not worth repeating. Real science uses multiple rounds of a test to come to a conclusion. Doing something once does not assure you've found the real results. Even parachutes designs go through multiple test to make sure they aren't likely to fail mid air.
stbays 1 year ago
@stbays Your principle is valid. However, I challenge you to find volunteers to jump out of a plane at 10,000 feet without parachute. I think we can relatively safely assume you won't find very many. Such a study is not worh repeating. Now, from this to comparing different parachute designs is a big difference. Obviously, such studies would be more than worth the trouble, at least a priori.
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
@BartBVanBockstaele
Good thing you can use crash test dummies instead of people for the uncertain phases of the test.
stbays 9 months ago
@stbays Valid argument. Unfortunately, crash test dummies are very unreliable for predicting many injuries. You need real people. For car safety, corpses are sometimes used. I haven't heard of them being used for parachutes. Maybe they are. Nevertheless, I think that we can agree that comparing a parachute to a no-parachute is probably not a very useful test at this stage, but that comparing one type of parachute to another, is.
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
@BartBVanBockstaele
Yeah, the comparison is probably not the best we could probably come up with. And I'm glad if nothing else, that my thoughts are basically valid. I try hard to make sure my thoughts are relevant.
Well I honestly don't have anything else to add. Hopefully you'll continue to find relevant information from the others who show up. Take care.
stbays 9 months ago
@stbays I agree. My point is not that tests are useless, it is mainly that tests have to be seen in a context and that this context renders them more or less useful. I like the parachute example because it illustrates very well the absurdity of anti-vax thinking by using a metaphor even the least uneducated among us can understand without giving it a second thought.
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
@stbays I just -sort of- retracted the comment you were reacting to. While my comment was valid, it is simply not a valid reply to the comment preceding it. I am puzzled about what happened here.
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
@BartBVanBockstaele
A thought hit me. One reason these test are being done on a product that's considered safe is the entire "anti-vax" movement has been demanding further tests. If that hadn't happened, the test would most likely be over and done with.
stbays 9 months ago
@stbays I completely agree. On the one hand, it is good to do supplementary testing. After all, we never know enough. However, given the way we register adverse effects and effectiveness, we can also say that tests simply continue after approval, which is precisely the only way to find out about very rare adverse effects. People are somewhat unrealistic to expect the prediction of a 1/100,000 adverse effect in a test on 2,000 patients ^_^
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
@BartBVanBockstaele
Some people can be a bit weird. Though I think it's not that just some people are weird. I think all people have their subject that makes them seem weird.
Hopefully one day we can put the whole vax thing down once and for all.
stbays 9 months ago
@stbays I hope so too. But I doubt it very much. Some people simply can't accept reality. And maybe, just maybe, we need them. By bringing forth their crackpot ideas, they force us to make really, really, really sure that the science is right. In a way, these crackpots are voluntarily laying down their lives (and, unfortunately, the lives of their children) so that we (and our children) may live.
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
@BartBVanBockstaele On the other hand, the anti-vaxers make us waste scarce resources that are now not available for more urgent tests. That is not good. Also, with anti-vaxers, you can't win. If you don't test anymore they accuse you of suppressing a horrifying reality, if you do test at their urging, they use that as "proof" that there is a hidden horrible truth after all..
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
@BartBVanBockstaele
BTW, in case you're wondering, I am pro-vax. I think they've done a lot of good and saved millions of lives. I also think you get more mercury from a can of tuna then you get from all the vaccinations combined. I also do not believe they cause Autism.
stbays 9 months ago
@stbays I am of the same opinion. Which makes me wonder about the nature of "opinion": is believing a fact really an opinion? Vaccines work. Some of them work incredibly well. As for the mercury, this is essentially a non-issue. We are talking about such ridiculously small amounts that they are meaningless. Second, there is no mercury in vaccines. There is thimerosal/thiomersal. This is not mercury, in much the same way that hemoglobin is not iron, and that table salt is not chlorine.
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
@BartBVanBockstaele Reading my comment to zutroy1's comment, I must admit that my comment makes no sense at all in this context. Obviously, I was reacting to something else, or, at least I thought I did. The fact of the matter is that, although my comment is perfectly valid, it is in no way a valid response to zutroy1's comment. Therefore:
Please do not read the preceding comment as a reaction to zutroy1's comment. My comment must stand alone.
BartBVanBockstaele 9 months ago
- In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
- In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
- In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
- In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
- In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
- In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)
- In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
- In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
The vested interests decide what history is going to be, and then they feed it to us. Here are some hard facts.
- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)
ThoughtCriminal696 2 years ago
This is so relieving to see. Whenever I type the word vaccine into google or youtube I am faced with a barrage of anti vac pseudo scientific nonsense, people who think methyl and ethyl mercury are the same as each other. People who think the 1918 pandemic "was just aspirin poisoning". Favourited and 5 starred. I can only hope it gets to the top of the search rankings soon before the idiots do some real damage during the coming flu season.
5upercrab 2 years ago
It would be funny, in an ironic sort of way, to see someone like sarge1775usmc using the expression closed minded (sic) or sheeple but for the sad fact that so many mentally lazy people believe that CAPITALIZED COMMENTS and multiple! exclamation! points! elevate opinion to the level of fact.
Has 'sarge' bothered to consider the effect that ammunition made with depleted uranium may have on troops, or the effects of many of the chemicals they come into contact with? Do facts confuse him?
Cinnamombunz 2 years ago
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sarge1775usmc 2 years ago
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SexyMelon 2 years ago 2
Sarge1775USMC, you really need to go take a high school chemistry class. You are obviously misinformed on the basic science behind this issue. Please educate yourself.
Revyloution 2 years ago
Well, once again it's obvious that people with no discernible intelligence, let alone education, are beating their chests and trumpeting their ignorance. There are facts and there are opinions. Do not confuse the two. Too many are easily duped into mistaking coincidence for causality, and are too lazy to do any further research from credible sources. It's easy to tell who these people are, usually by the exclamation point count in their posts and the capitalizations in their sign-offs.
Cinnamombunz 2 years ago
"The west is a lot cleaner place than back in the day when these diseases were killing people - so the risk of catching these diseases regardless of vaccine is low anyway, IMO."
This is because we have vaccination!
TheHeroAppeared 2 years ago
Certainly it can be said for diseases like polio and such where we know we can prevent sickness and death through a simple vaccination.
It's important for people, who believe similar to the one you quoted above, to understand that influenza (flu) infection is transmitted through respiratory channels. Unlike a gastrointestinal infection that's transmitted through contact with fecal matter.
Keep it clean but still take your vaccine! See you all at the clinic.
frededison 2 years ago
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Does this video prove that the swine flu vaccination, or all vaccinations are safe? no - there has already been an instance back in the 70s when the vaccination killed more than the flu itself.
You don't have to be 'pro vaccine' or 'pro anti vaccine'. Some vaccines are fine some are bad. simple as that.
The west is a lot cleaner place than back in the day when these diseases were killing people - so the risk of catching these diseases regardless of vaccine is low anyway, IMO.
LeandroCenturion 2 years ago
More people killed by a vaccine than by the disease it prevented? I'd like to see that particular data. Do you have a link?
Secondly, yeah, diseases aren't spreading the way they did before vaccines, because of, you know, vaccines. If one person in an immune herd stops vaccinating, disease still won't spread and that person will be fine. But if the immunization percentage drops below a certain number, diseases can spread and anyone not vaccinated is going down.
robh00fd 2 years ago 2
In fact this is what's been happening in several places in America and Australia.
The great downfall of people not getting sick is that everyone forgets that these bygone diseases are still lurking out there, and the only reason we don't have leper colonies anymore is that we vaccinate our kids.
robh00fd 2 years ago
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Leandro, learn today: This post is run by JEWS. The Pharma criminals are JEWS. Some time back, israhell dumped on the net a horde of parasite israelis to disinform, confuse, argue stupidly, and divert attention from their natural criminality in Palestine. Today, these same JEWS are trying to innoculate 90% of the world pop, so they can own the planet. Dumb retard idiots. Their destiny was sealed 2000 years ago. Beast to the Abyss. So Be It!
debalazo 2 years ago
This sarge guy sounds like General Jack D. Ripper from Dr Strangelove.
Eisnel 2 years ago
Oh FFS, crack a high school chemistry book, you conspiracy theorists. While you're at it, crack a history book and look up the diseases vaccines have saved millions from.
The differences in forms of mercury are spelled out for you below by other posters. Use your heads and think for a minute instead of screaming IN ALL CAPS!!!!!!!! about your fictional plots to poison OUR CHILDREN!!!!
MrMarkham1012x 2 years ago 7
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sarge1775usmc 2 years ago
You should go looking for your marbles, you seem to have totally lost them.
Sybsop 2 years ago 3
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Sob, stupid jew, you game is over, idiot. Only you asses believe you can fool the goy anymore. Start looking for a sewer hole to hide. Your criminal plot is firing back on you all idiots.
debalazo 2 years ago
Seek professional mental help! I'm not kidding, you bear the markers of a deranged lunatic mind commit yourself to an institution before you harm yourself or others.
Sybsop 2 years ago 2
You sound like a cross between Borat and Hitler!
5upercrab 2 years ago
Neglect to vaccinate your children, and you're a poor father, and a hazard to society. Shame on you.
tdisen 2 years ago 5
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sarge1775usmc 2 years ago
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sarge, don't mind these stupid jew idiots. This is their post, and they swarm like maggots on a dead body. Their time is up. They lie uncovered by the internet, worldwide. Every scam they try is only one more nail in their stupid coffins. Death to the Jew World Odor.
debalazo 2 years ago
The anti-vaxer arguments ultimately boil down to this: ignorance of chemistry or outright fabrication. I've heard many say manufacturers put anti-freeze and aluminum in vaccines. Fabrication, obviously. On the other end you have those who can't realize that different molecules behave differently in the complex biochemical systems of the human body. Ethylmercury is not equivalent to other substances that contain mercury atoms in their molecular structure!
Ruxias 2 years ago 14
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Here's where an Infectious Disease Expert says, "The vaccine is MORE dangerous than the actual swine flu and that THERE IS SQUALENE & THIMEROSAL IN IT."
/watch?v=cuhzrrp-WFQ
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
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I give you truth, you thumb it down. That just shows your mentality. Fuck James Randi LOL
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
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sarge1775usmc 2 years ago
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Sgt, Google 'Are jews intelligent'. 'Blood Passover'. 'The Talmud unmasked'. 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'. 'Kill the Best Gentiles'. 'The Synagogue of Satan'. 'Henry Kissinger Population Control Document'. 'The Hidden Hand'. 'Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution'. 'Who brought the slaves to America'. 'The Plot against Christianity'. 'Agenda 21 of the United Nations'. 'Adolf Hitler, founder of israel'. 'Debunking genocide myth'. 'Jane Burgermeister lawsuit'. 'Swine Flu Hoax'.
debalazo 2 years ago
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Hey, thanks for all the wonderful comments but I'm going to listen to Russel Blaylock, a board certified neurosurgeon... and not a 3 year pediatrician who may be getting a payoff from big pharma.
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
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sarge1775usmc 2 years ago
Sgt: I've had all the childhood vaccines more years ago than I'd like to count and I'm just fine, thanks! The worst thing I got was a mild case of measles. Grew up drinking water with fluoride too.
Rentamobi-Polio vaccine caused AIDS? How come myself and all the hundreds of thousands that were vaccinated along with me don't have it?
You have absolutely no idea what AIDS is or where it came from.
Cissy2cute 2 years ago 2
You're arguing with the wrong person... I never brought up AIDS. And how can you tell the vaccines haven't had an adverse reaction? Can't go back in time and do a split test, can you? Maybe you'd be a lot smarter.
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
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SissyCissy homosexual jew, you are full of shit. jews don't vaccinate cos they know the poisons their vaccines have for goys. You can talk your mouth out, it's no use. The world knows of your criminal intent, and proof is this joint full of sewer rats, lying their asses and mouths together. The Abyss is wating, for 2000 thousand years. Your time is up... or down.
debalazo 2 years ago
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Hooya, Calcium fluoride is good for you in small doses when applied topically to the teeth... it does your teeth no good when taken internally and can cause fluorosis. Now, what they put in the water is Sodium Fluoride which is a catch-all term for a bunch of waste products (metals & chemicals) that get added in. Sodium Fluoride eats holes in your brain. Did The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment really happen? What about the Ringworm Children?
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
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Sodium fluoride is a TOXIC INDUSTRIAL WASTE! It is POISON! If anyone ever saw a bag of sodium fluoride that gets put in your water, it has a SKULL and CROSS BONES on it and says POISON! Only an idiot, absolute fool, would drink something that has a freakin skull and cross bones saying POISON. HELLO, why the neg's??? Wake up America!
sarge1775usmc 2 years ago
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sarge, these idiots are JEWS. They are behind the fluoridation of water, since the times of their Bolshevik counterparts in massacred Russia. Then continued in Nazi (ashkeNAZI ) Germany, to apease the prisioners from revolting. Them bastards are doing it now in the US and other countries. AS THEY SOW SO SHALL THEY REAP. Beast to the Abyss for a thousand years, aka, eternity.
debalazo 2 years ago
Squalene in vaccines has been strongly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome. On August 1991, Anthony Principi, Secretary of Veterans Affairs admitted that soldiers vaccinated with the anthrax vaccine from 1990 to 1991 had an increased risk of 200 percent in developing the deadly disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also called Lou Gehrig's disease. The soldiers also suffered from a number of debilitating and life-shortening diseases.
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
sgt, you do know your body makes squalene right? That you would die pretty quickly if it didn't?
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
The route of administration of squalene is paramount.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
yeah, so? It's a natural organic compound - your own liver produces it.
kabloozie 2 years ago
small pox was not in north america until the white man came here and what about the polio vaccine num nuts it caused aids ! think not look up the origins of aids and what happen in stanllyvill oh yes this happend don't take my word for it just look it up .
RENTAMOB1 2 years ago
Anti-Vaccination thinking is yet another ridiculous step backwards. The countless lives and needless suffering that has been averted since the introduction of vaccines is proof enough of their safety and effectiveness.
Of course some people will always be allergic etc., but it is a risk well taking, giving the illnesses that can be prevented.
Why must people see a conspiracy in everything? Maybe we should just go back to potions, chanting and rattles.
Cissy2cute 2 years ago 5
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That's a strawman argument. People are not "Anti-Vaccine"... they are "Anti-Adjuvant"
People don't want all the poisons that get added in as a soft-kill weapon. The natural mercury that's in Thimerosal, a vaccine adjuvant, stays in your brain forever. If you want that, go crack open a thermometer and drink its contents. And have a nice day =)
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
"If you want that, go crack open a thermometer and drink its contents. "
The stuff in a thermometer is not the same as thimerosal. Your ignorance shows. Besides, it's been taken out of most vaccines, so you have nothing to complain about, right? Oh, but wait, autism rates are still going up! hmm...
ManicEightBall 2 years ago 2
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Yeah, right. FYI, natural mercury is MORE dangerous than the stuff in a thermometer. Nice little ad hominem attack ,sweetie. Do they teach you that at MERCK or Pfizer? And no, it hasn't been taken out... look at the inserts.
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
"natural mercury is MORE dangerous"
You mean methyl mercury? Sure. It's soluble. But ethyl mercury is what vaccines carried. But now that they've reduced that to trace amounts, the rate of autism is still going up.
Hmm...
ManicEightBall 2 years ago 3
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Why must you lie? What's with all the strawmen? Anyone who wants to check can find out there's tons of thimerosal in the swine flu vaccine.
Very simple: Mercury causes brain damage. You know this, but you must have stock in the vaccine company or something.
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
"you must have stock in the vaccine company or something. "
I know vaccines don't cause autism. Everyone who disagrees with you doesn't work for a pharmacy. It's not a Dan Brown novel. This is reality, and the reality is that people will die from not getting their vaccines, and people like you are to blame.
ManicEightBall 2 years ago 8
Elemental mercury and the common form of environmental mercury ("Methylmercury") are known to be toxic. The named mercury in Thimerosal is called "Ethylmercury" - an organic molecule that incorporates a mercury atom. The anti-vax people say "mercury" and prey upon people's ignorance of the exact substance. "Mercury" to most means the kind in thermostats or fish.
The presence of an atom of mercury does not make the substance toxic. Think of the difference between H2O and H2O2 - only one atom.
Ruxias 2 years ago 8
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Sgt, they may not have stock, or they may, they are JEWS. They lie to kill the goy, natural born murderers, crucifiers of the Christ. Damned they are. This post is by them, and is infested by them. Buy MMS by Jim Humble, and Thieves Oil (by the jew!) and beat these animals in their scam. Death to the Jew World Pestilence.
debalazo 2 years ago
subtitulos al español por favor ,Gracias por enviar el vídeo ...Gracias
meydel123 2 years ago
I agree, with so many getting a vaccine, it is also inevitable that a few will have an adverse reaction to it, but that number is less that the number of the people getting an adverse reaction to the real bug.
AGrandt 2 years ago
Go to google video ans search:vaccines + mercury by Dr.Ayoub and Dr.Montieth...
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Totally debunked by 30 years of Medical Research. Don't google it, search Pubmed and see actual medical research that shows no link between "your" mercury and problems such as autism and other neurological conditions. This really is an old piece of BS.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
I read pubmed at least 30 times per day for a least a decade since pre-med.Simply reading results from abstracts is not sufficient.You must also study the methodology [and] who sponsored it.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
lipo, I'm happy to hear you do. However most people commenting don't have subscriptions to the journals contributing to Pubmed. It is unrealistic to suggest that they examine the methodology of each paper. These papers are peer reviewed if you remember. Most abstracts provide people with the results/conclusions in an understandable manner. It is very hard for me to reconcile your statement "30 times per day" with your other comments.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
[I] myself did [not] say mercury or [only] mercury is [the] cause of autism...
lipoicacid 2 years ago
I know the ''agenda'' and so am not fooled by myopic studies...
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Don not hurt yourself trying to ''reconcile''.I like to ''mix it up'' so as to draw ignorant retards into making certain comments.Cheerio! =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Right! You have a nice day.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
I recommend you go to ''childhealthsafety.wordpress'' for links to a mountain of research studies and articles which contradict the data you refer to...
lipoicacid 2 years ago
You see when you know the agenda you are not suprised to learn later on that researchers and medical journals were paid to alter and manufacture data...
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Then- if you know where to look [I doubt it] you can read the words of the people who fund vaccine reasearch and distribution and try to ''reconcile'' that with the propaganda that you have lapped up =/
lipoicacid 2 years ago