Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc (OTCPK:CYPW)

[uawwildbob]

this is cool and all. BUT. for the average Joe blow it is not practical. He cant just hop in the car and drive away. he has to wait for the engine to reach opperating temp. and in the colder climates this could take a while as some mornings I get up to see that it is zero degrees F. and my tank is frozin like a rock. Maybe Im am wrong . Or maybe there are better solutions than this

[CoryBuckles]

@uawwildbob The Cyclone engines use a heater coil that heats a small amount of water inside very small tubing. This makes heat-up and cool-down of the operating fluid very quick. On a very cold day, you may need to let it warm for a minute or two to thaw the frozen water, but in mild weather start-up should be almost instant.

You can see the exposed heating coil at 7:00.

[keypunch30]

Fluff ends and useful information starts at approx 4:00

[Bikersupport]

Nice uses No oil to run small powerfull and cheap to build.

Now Global Manufacturing Leader Signs Letter of Understanding to Build Clean, Steam Engines for Cyclone Power Technologies

[robert66michel]

excellent system.if it works as advertised this is definitly the game changer i,ve been looking for.in order to realy change the world with this your going to have to follow the lead of henry ford and nikola tesla, bill gates by getting this into the hands of everyday people as quickly and cheaply as possible.let me know when I can buy one on a blue collar salary.

[Torpedoeight]

We need this engine badly. This thing is light years ahead of conventional motors, let alone ancient heavy steam plants. Not only that, but we as a civilization are running a dangerous game with total reliance on complex power grids and combustion motors that use complex electronic computer controls. Rational sense argues that this motor needs to be in full production right now.

It can power some of civilization when all else fails. Call me Chicken Little, but isn't that a little bit important?

[Bytefield]

Wow, a "steam engine!" What will they think of next?

[morgman77]

Its a Flux Capacitor.......Now all we need is a delorean

[PeterTenev]

one thing i can't understand - why there shouldn't be a transmission ? gearboxes have a completely different role in driving.

and other thing - what if i need more power on a road i push the throttle ? would it be responsible enough to make an ordinary overtaking ? i don't need something which may cause my health if there's no power when i needed most.

but this issue opens a new chapter - the tech spec. of that engine. when we'll be informed more accurately about it ?

[mariasman100]

@PeterTenev, there is no transmission simply because it's not needed. Pressing the "throttle" opens the steam inlet valves for a longer duration during each cycle thereby raising the mean effective pressure in the cylinders. This provides more torque for acceleration or hill climbing as required. Mean effective pressure cannot be changed much in an internal combustion engine which is why it uses a transmission to change gear ratios for increased torque... this also wastes a lot of energy.

[NeoGenXRevelations]

I like the idea of using a "twister's" power to provide a torque and a more efficient system then ICE, but the inventor is going about it wrong. The inventor is forcing it to go against forces.

the system would be more efficient if the heat source was insulated, and forces were not acting against each other. He needs to re-understand how cyclones work, and retry.

if the inventor would like tips he can contact me.

[NeoNoggie]

@NeoGenXRevelations Yes, a group of men with Ph.D's definitely need your tips.

[NeoGenXRevelations]

Um anyone one with an understanding of thermodynamics can see that a lot of the heat is being wasted into the environment instead of work being produced, unfortunately Ph.D does not mean they have common sense.

I would like to keep this conversation peaceful please.

[Torpedoeight]

@NeoGenXRevelations Yes, I agree that you do not understand this design. Far from being wasted, the motor is highly effecient and vastly superior to any existing technology as a prime mover.

[mariasman100]

@NeoGenXRevelations, are you certain that you understand how this system is configured?

[austpom333]

To mariesman type " Shai Agassi a bold plan for mass adoption of electric cars" in youtube. I don't know if you have already seen his speech. The very best of luck to you.

[mariasman100]

Thanks, I'll check it out!

[austpom333]

Reply to mariasman, in that case the new batteries invented will ensure the near future of the electric car engine, and in so doing change the mind set of the thinking and non thinking worldwide public.

[mariasman100]

I hope so.

[austpom333]

There are new battories invented that take very little time to charge, Do you know how fast electric cars are? I have a 12 volt drill that can drive 110mm screws into hard pine, if i put wheels on it and a gear box it would do close to 300 K's. with very little charge and no polution.I dont think people here are interpreting my arguments properly here.

[mariasman100]

The performance of electric cars is a function of their low end torque which is ideal for automotive use. The Cyclone engine has a torque profile that is very similar, but with a higher starting torque. The power density of the Cyclone is also much higher. Consider that the lithium-ion battery for the Chevy Volt provides a range of only 40 miles yet weighs 400 pounds. The Cyclone automotive engine weighs 330 pounds complete. The net efficiency of the Cyclone is also better than electrics.

[Rickdeckard2020]

@mariasman100

I think most of the energy of an electric car is converted to movement, where as this engine creates power but a part of energy appears to be diverted into heat exhaust. If the heat exhaust can be used to heat something in cold winters or reused another way it would be even more interesting. It might have great potential as a backup electric generator in cold or remote regions it

[mariasman100]

@Rickdeckard2020, but the entire energy conversion process involved in electric motor propulsion must be considered for a fair comparison. Take the average thermal efficiency of the power plants in the U.S. Now factor in the losses from electric power transmission, transformers, battery charger, battery charging, battery discharging, motor controller, and drive motor. The net efficiency is well under 20%.

[Rickdeckard2020]

@mariasman100

I would have to see data, your 20% estimate sounds extremely off, from what I have read theres hardly any (tiny percentage of) loss of energy between the electricity from the plug to movement. As for the power plant, that I dont know, but I get your point.

[mariasman100]

@Rickdeckard2020, check it out for yourself. The average thermal power plant is 33% efficient in converting heat to grid electricity, and losses in electricity distribution to homes is 9-10%. That's 30% to the home. Now factor in the rest: charger, controller/inverter, battery charge/discharge, drive motor... and look for real world figures and average or cycle efficiencies (not "peak" efficiency).

[Nate2203]

They could put these in vehicles and make them hydraulic hybrids, that would be optimal.

[mariasman100]

Actually, hybridizing this system would lower the net efficiency and just add weight, complexity, and cost.

[Nate2203]

probably, it would be good for large vehicles like semi trucks and busses though.

[mariasman100]

A regenerative braking system would increase fuel economy in city driving. In fact, since the Cyclone engine does not idle a large capacitor can be used to store energy during braking. But this energy should not be used to power an electric drive motor. It should be used to power auxiliary systems (blower fan, air conditioning, etc).

[Nate2203]

have you seen the hydraulic regen brake system, it's more efficient than electric for sure. And they could put one of their Waste Heat Engines off the exhaust to run an alternator to charge a battery for the auxiliary systems.

[mariasman100]

Yes, I've seen them... very impressive IMO. But these are best reserved for limited applications. My main argument is that, unlike internal combustion engines, the efficiency of the Cyclone engine varies little over its operating range. Therefore, there is little to gain in going "hybrid". Of course, any regenerative braking system can increase fuel economy in city driving... and this applies to any vehicle (continued)...

[mariasman100]

... Since the engine does not idle, there has to be a fairly large energy storage system to power auxiliaries when the vehicle is at rest or at very low speeds (i.e. stop and go traffic). It could be a battery, but I understand that the first prototype vehicle will use an ultracapacitor plus regenerative braking.

[austpom333]

Its not good enough, it uses fossel fuels, move forward from fossel fuel

[Nate2203]

it uses ANY type of fuel, including orange peels. It's not the ultimate solution, but it would easily replace the engines we use now because it CAN run on ANY fuel. Instead of using the same engines until we figure out a way to be totally green, we could use this GREEN engine in transition to efficiency. It takes many steps to walk a mile, we can't just get there in one.

[austpom333]

Man the tecnology is invented, the electric engines of the future are sitting on shelves waiting to be used.

[mariasman100]

I have to argue that electrics are not the grand solution that is often claimed. There remain many problems. Restricted to city driving they seem to be a winner. But it's hard for me to see how they can overcome the problems of low range, high battery weight and cost, low net efficiency, long charging time, and also provide a total package that people want to buy and can afford (w/o subsidies).

[Peopleunit]

If the engine produces fewer pollutants, cheaper to produce and has lower operating costs what is not to like?

Also, the heat from the cylinder(s) exits at 350 degrees "F" is recycled in a closed loop to the burner heat exchange unit which operates at 500 degrees "F" - heat loss would be towards friction, and the exhaust from combustion... which is separate and external. Today's heat exchange furnaces operate with above 90% efficiency. Not bad compared to the less than 40% of the alternatives.

[ptairco]

I quote from their website:"Assume JP-8 @ 6.819 lbs per gal fuel burn at .06 gal per hp per hr"

This works out to a Specific Fuel Consumption of 0.409 lbs/hp/hr. SFC is the standard measure of efficiency in ALL engines. 0.409 is not a great achievement, most good diesels will get about 0.38 lbs/hp/hr. So where is the great leap forward in efficiency?? It it simply another way to make piston go up and down from a burning fuel and there are endless different ways of doing that.

[Nate2203]

it depends on the fuel

[austpom333]

It depends on no fuel, it depends on a quick charge electric engine, then people can hear them selves think and live again next to major roads, ( we can still use petrol stations to recharge ) its not the money, it is what the polution and noise does to peoples health and planet.

[Nate2203]

yeah, the pollution from coal burning power plants that produces the electrcity isn't bad for us at all.  Mercury in the water is good! You do know that if everyone started using electric cars today that would be MUCH worse on the environment. EVENTUALLY when we are using mostly nuclear, wind, and other natural sources of energy, electric cars would be feasable.

[austpom333]

No i don't buy your story not for one second. The time to act is now. Very soon it will take very little electricity to recharge an engine. coal is a fossel fuel, move on from fossel fuels. NO coal is not good. mercury in the water is not good. There is no eventually about it. It is thinking like this that has got humans and the planet in the mess it is in.

[Nate2203]

"Very soon it will take very little electricity to recharge an engine"

And you will get very little HP or very short battery life. W(power)=V(volts)A(amps), since you cannot create energy, you cannot possibly use "very little energy" to charge a battery without getting very little power, it's impossible.

[Nate2203]

And yes, the time to ACT is now, as it always is, but there are too many problems going from now to fully electric transportation. For one, electricity prices would skyrocket and they would end up building MORE coal burning powerplants because they are cheap and can be built relatively fast. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

[austpom333]

NO i don't buy your argument. Electrisity prices skyrocket? you need to back this up with real proof, People will spend more money on electricity, and they WILL spend NO money on OLD fossel fuels that DON"T EXIST any more. As i stated before Coal is FOSSEL fuel MOVE ON FROM FOSSEL FUEL, for the love of god change your mind set before you are left in the dirt. I don't know if you read my last email properly, i stated that these future engines MAGNET or electric are already invented. keep writing

[mariasman100]

It's your business if you want to harbor hopes for the Cycclone magnet motor, or similar claims, but using it as a basis for an argument here is probably not going to be fruitful. You should be very skeptical of these claims IMO.

[austpom333]

NO i am not sceptical of any claim of a progression toward and eventual adoption of magnet or electric engines.

[mariasman100]

No skepticism? One can be both hopeful and skeptical. I hope they are developed, but have serious doubts. BTW, please differentiate between the two: "magnet engine" vs "electric engine".

[Nate2203]

"NO i am not sceptical of any claim of a progression toward and eventual adoption of magnet or electric engines."

That right there is why you are a moron. Question: How much crap do you buy from late night infomercials?

[Nate2203]

You CLEARLY don't understand the fact that energy CANNOT be created.

[31chevyae]

you will never replace gasoline engines all you made is a fancy steam engine that was made many years ago any way if your supposed engine is so good why is it not in production what your doing is wasting time and money it is only a matter of time BEFORE THE BIG 3 SHUT YOU DOWN THEY THRIVE ON GAS ENGINES!!!!!!

[trevor17683]

1931 Chevy?? Actually GM is the one being shutdown.. Think outside the box, and change with the times.. They have contracts with Raytheon and small engine manufacturers.. check out their website (there is a lot on there).. and now Congress is starting to recognize them.. They've only been public for a year

[31chevyae]

WHAT YOU WORK FOR THE COMPANY.

[trevor17683]

No, I don't work for them.. I just really believe in the technology... aren't you tired of paying such high gas prices?? And hearing about how we are destroying our Earth??

[tiklore]

Robotnik there is a covered combustion chamber. by external combustion just means the fire is on the outside of the drive mech. when you see the engines the big red top is the cover of the fire. it is pretty safe as there is no explosion to contain. but I wouldn't mind trying to hook on of these up to a car or truck.

[matthewpeter]

Its very similar to flash steam boilers then.

[robotnik77]

What keeps those flames shooting out from combusting your car & you? It doesn't look

safe!

[fredswain]

It goes through a heat exchanger before being exhausted at around 350*.