If it does't matter to you how long I've been training/competing then why did you originally question my experience in Taekwondo? I've criticised the judging of this fight and the outcome of the fight. Your responses to my criticisms are as flaky as the judging/outcome of the fight itself. Take some time to read other criticisms of this fight by other viewers - I think you will find that your analysis of this fight places you in a minority. Overall judgement of this fight supports my criticisms
The chest protector is very slack on the KOR fighter. When a kick lands the movement of the chest protector takes some of the force out of it and may even make the electronic system fail to score a kick. Some might call that cheating. I'll leave it to the viewers to make their own decision on it
In round three all the KOR fighter has to do to score a point is land a kick. If that's the case then the GBR fighter should have been awarded more points throughout the fight and especially in round one. The KOR gets 3 points in round three - for what? I did not see any more then one good kick from the KOR fighter in this round. As the two points from previous rounds were questionnable then how did the KOR fighter end the fight winning with 5 points? Sorry, I forgot - a Korean fighting in Korea
@novoscotia lol umadbro? if you didn't know, they use a electronic system, meaning that the brit. did not kick hard enough for the pressure sensors to record it as a point. and as for all the times you mentioned before, they were counted correctly, please take a second look. .. . oh and the first comment on 1:18. it wasn't even close man. open your eyes.
@m00lkimch1 If you are younger than 26 then all you need to know is I was fighting in WTF competition before you were born, son. Nothing but chest protector and groin guard. Fighters wanted to fight to win. Referees were there to seperate fighters not tell them to fight more! Nothing about fighting and training to fight that you can tell me, son. In my day fighters mostlyscored with offensive techniques - not jumping up and down for 2:30 and sneaking in a kick at the last opportinuty every round
@m00lkimch1 In my day fighters were deducted points for not actively engaging with their opponent. A match could be lost by not being offensive enough - perhaps they should emphasise that more nowadays. If I'm immature then you are equally arrogant to assume you can judge me when you know nothing about me. Your over-reaction to my criticisms says more than you responses to those criticisms. Bias towards Korean fighters has a long history in WTF competitions. Ask your seniors about this.
@novoscotia The standard of committment of fighters in WTF competitions has gone down a lot. The number of kicks thrown in this fight is very low. They're fighting for a World title - not sparring in the gym. Watch the videos of the 1988 Olympic finals - the committment of the fighters then was higher than that of today. Fighters were perhaps less technical (?) but had a better fighting spirit. Fighters today are technically better (?) but their spirit is lacking - lack of committment
@novoscotia I second your motion. Back when WTF broke on an international level, you had to first pass state. Then nationals. If you managed to make it that far then you petioned for worlds. The strategy used then was multiple combos, lead the opponent into your attack - if it started to idle, use a defensive attack to set up a counter, etc. I've seen yellows beat browns but had the decision turned because of the environment. I'd like to compare training from then and now. Whaddaya think?
@sf10th77 Sorry for my delay in replying. Ultimately sport has adversely affected martial arts. I feel sport has diluted the practise of genuine martial art. Ironically this is most apparent in sport compeition. Fighters are less then they used to be yesteryear. Technically they may be better but they have less heart. Sport philosophy has diluted martial art philosophy to produce spiritually weaker fighters. The result is fights that do not look much like fights and more like sparring sessions.
@novoscotia i am not saying that the GBR was bad. its just that none of your complaints are correct. And you really need to fix your attitude. the korean won because it took place in korea- i mean how immature can you be?
oh and please be more informed about the rules before you start commenting like you did.
Oh and by the way, I am Korean.
However, I actually respect other countries and people from different countries. unlike you.
Round two - another round where the KOR fighter was defensive and only counter-attacking. Most if not all of the exchanges were initiated by the GBR fighter. The GBR dominated round two yet scored no points - even being deducted points
Disgraceful! Initially awarded 3 points then over-ruled and deducted those points to give the KOR fighter the 2-1 lead. As I've implied before - the fight was already won by the KOR as the fight was in Korea.
KOR fighter gets a point around 3:09 - you can hear the kick landing on the GBR fighters chest protector. Was that any superior than the spin kick back from the GBR fighter in round one? No it wasn't. So why did the KOR fighter get a point when the GBR fighter did not? Obviously because it's a KOR fighter fighting in Korea
Round one ended 0-0 but it should have been 2-0 to GBR. The KOR fighter should have lost points for lack of attacking. Exactly how many times did an exchange start with an attack from the GBR fighter - many more times than it did with the KOR fighter. Not only did the GBR score twice but he dominated that round
At 1:18 the GBR fighter lands a good axe kick to the KOr fihters face - clearly knockiing him backwards. Did he get a point for that - of course not. Don't be stupid - he's a GBR fighter
@novoscotia nope. he didn't don't be stupid. look again. judging by all of these comments im guessing you aren't very experienced in taekwondo.. are you?
At 26 seconds the GBR fighter lands a spin back kick. It hit the KOR's chest protector - the noise of it landing is so loud. The audience cheered because they knew it was a good kick that should have scored. The GBR fighter lifts his hand because he knew that kick scored. Did he get a point for it - no. The judges are blinded by their bias
Show me where the Korean scored 5 pts according to current WTF rules - you can't because he didn't. The British won that fight - he landed better quality kicks. What does a British fighter have to do to win a world title? The judges were biased towards a Korean fighting in Korea - same old, same old.
stop making those stupid comments ASSHOLES!
milchsauger 3 weeks ago
If it does't matter to you how long I've been training/competing then why did you originally question my experience in Taekwondo? I've criticised the judging of this fight and the outcome of the fight. Your responses to my criticisms are as flaky as the judging/outcome of the fight itself. Take some time to read other criticisms of this fight by other viewers - I think you will find that your analysis of this fight places you in a minority. Overall judgement of this fight supports my criticisms
novoscotia 2 months ago
The chest protector is very slack on the KOR fighter. When a kick lands the movement of the chest protector takes some of the force out of it and may even make the electronic system fail to score a kick. Some might call that cheating. I'll leave it to the viewers to make their own decision on it
novoscotia 2 months ago
In round three all the KOR fighter has to do to score a point is land a kick. If that's the case then the GBR fighter should have been awarded more points throughout the fight and especially in round one. The KOR gets 3 points in round three - for what? I did not see any more then one good kick from the KOR fighter in this round. As the two points from previous rounds were questionnable then how did the KOR fighter end the fight winning with 5 points? Sorry, I forgot - a Korean fighting in Korea
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia lol umadbro? if you didn't know, they use a electronic system, meaning that the brit. did not kick hard enough for the pressure sensors to record it as a point. and as for all the times you mentioned before, they were counted correctly, please take a second look. .. . oh and the first comment on 1:18. it wasn't even close man. open your eyes.
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
@m00lkimch1 If you are younger than 26 then all you need to know is I was fighting in WTF competition before you were born, son. Nothing but chest protector and groin guard. Fighters wanted to fight to win. Referees were there to seperate fighters not tell them to fight more! Nothing about fighting and training to fight that you can tell me, son. In my day fighters mostlyscored with offensive techniques - not jumping up and down for 2:30 and sneaking in a kick at the last opportinuty every round
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia It doesn't matter how long you've been competing or training. you've still failed to reply to all the points i have made
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
@m00lkimch1 In my day fighters were deducted points for not actively engaging with their opponent. A match could be lost by not being offensive enough - perhaps they should emphasise that more nowadays. If I'm immature then you are equally arrogant to assume you can judge me when you know nothing about me. Your over-reaction to my criticisms says more than you responses to those criticisms. Bias towards Korean fighters has a long history in WTF competitions. Ask your seniors about this.
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia The standard of committment of fighters in WTF competitions has gone down a lot. The number of kicks thrown in this fight is very low. They're fighting for a World title - not sparring in the gym. Watch the videos of the 1988 Olympic finals - the committment of the fighters then was higher than that of today. Fighters were perhaps less technical (?) but had a better fighting spirit. Fighters today are technically better (?) but their spirit is lacking - lack of committment
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia I second your motion. Back when WTF broke on an international level, you had to first pass state. Then nationals. If you managed to make it that far then you petioned for worlds. The strategy used then was multiple combos, lead the opponent into your attack - if it started to idle, use a defensive attack to set up a counter, etc. I've seen yellows beat browns but had the decision turned because of the environment. I'd like to compare training from then and now. Whaddaya think?
sf10th77 1 month ago
@sf10th77 Sorry for my delay in replying. Ultimately sport has adversely affected martial arts. I feel sport has diluted the practise of genuine martial art. Ironically this is most apparent in sport compeition. Fighters are less then they used to be yesteryear. Technically they may be better but they have less heart. Sport philosophy has diluted martial art philosophy to produce spiritually weaker fighters. The result is fights that do not look much like fights and more like sparring sessions.
novoscotia 3 weeks ago
@novoscotia i am not saying that the GBR was bad. its just that none of your complaints are correct. And you really need to fix your attitude. the korean won because it took place in korea- i mean how immature can you be?
oh and please be more informed about the rules before you start commenting like you did.
Oh and by the way, I am Korean.
However, I actually respect other countries and people from different countries. unlike you.
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
Round two - another round where the KOR fighter was defensive and only counter-attacking. Most if not all of the exchanges were initiated by the GBR fighter. The GBR dominated round two yet scored no points - even being deducted points
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia lol. again. im guessing you don't have much experience in taekwondo .. not even going to bother responding to this one.
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
Disgraceful! Initially awarded 3 points then over-ruled and deducted those points to give the KOR fighter the 2-1 lead. As I've implied before - the fight was already won by the KOR as the fight was in Korea.
novoscotia 2 months ago
Another axe kick attack landing on the KOR at 4:22. Did that score? No
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia i'm going to give you this one. this one was questionable. but by the looks of it im guessing not enough force/power/contact
but the KOR coach did appeal for a video review. if you don't understand this look it up on the "WTF competition rules and interpretations"
pg 36
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
Between 3:09 and 3:56 the KOR fighter gets a second point - for what?
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia look at the round house and the push kick
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
KOR fighter gets a point around 3:09 - you can hear the kick landing on the GBR fighters chest protector. Was that any superior than the spin kick back from the GBR fighter in round one? No it wasn't. So why did the KOR fighter get a point when the GBR fighter did not? Obviously because it's a KOR fighter fighting in Korea
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia lol.. what are you talking about? 3:09 was a solid kick by the korean. and also landed much harder than the kick from 0:26
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
Round one ended 0-0 but it should have been 2-0 to GBR. The KOR fighter should have lost points for lack of attacking. Exactly how many times did an exchange start with an attack from the GBR fighter - many more times than it did with the KOR fighter. Not only did the GBR score twice but he dominated that round
novoscotia 2 months ago
At 1:18 the GBR fighter lands a good axe kick to the KOr fihters face - clearly knockiing him backwards. Did he get a point for that - of course not. Don't be stupid - he's a GBR fighter
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia nope. he didn't don't be stupid. look again. judging by all of these comments im guessing you aren't very experienced in taekwondo.. are you?
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
At 26 seconds the GBR fighter lands a spin back kick. It hit the KOR's chest protector - the noise of it landing is so loud. The audience cheered because they knew it was a good kick that should have scored. The GBR fighter lifts his hand because he knew that kick scored. Did he get a point for it - no. The judges are blinded by their bias
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia look again. it didn't connect with the center of his chest guard... lol if anything it scraped his shoulder
m00lkimch1 2 months ago
Show me where the Korean scored 5 pts according to current WTF rules - you can't because he didn't. The British won that fight - he landed better quality kicks. What does a British fighter have to do to win a world title? The judges were biased towards a Korean fighting in Korea - same old, same old.
novoscotia 2 months ago
@novoscotia 당신은 문제가 있습니까? 극복.
lalaaero 2 months ago
WTF Taekwondo has become worse and worse.
Those rules just suck.
People should watch the 1980 up to 1990
Taekwondo was cool. Hard kickers, powerful kicks, no show shit.
shevegen 2 months ago
حرامات وميض لعب على المركز الثالث ضلموه الحكام
azazaz0099able 3 months ago
ما يحلى هذا الوزن بدون مشاركة وميض من العراق ديالى
مو من مستوانا وميض تايكواندو
azazaz0099able 3 months ago
ما يحلى هذا الوزن بدون مشاركة وميض من العراق ديالى
azazaz0099able 3 months ago
@azazaz0099able اي والله
ولا رياضة حلوة بدون ما العراق يشارك بيها
Dragonvoice1 3 months ago
the stupidest korean taekwondo player!
weedthatisgreen 5 months ago
where did those first two points came from?
jeromec92 6 months ago
this is better that the -58kgs. haha
backleg45 6 months ago
@backleg45 wow...that will be so sexy~~
y8yap 6 months ago
So back kicks dont count anymore ?
idutcher 6 months ago
@idutcher they do count for 2 points, just really hard to score... LaJust Hogus are horrible, they need to use Truescore or go back to manual scoring
TheHenrytaekwondo 5 months ago
@idutcher IKR! they are so fun to do when you're fighting someone who is aggressive and chases you around the ring.
SuperBeny1 5 months ago
Harvey missed the slamming kicks to Lee's head? =(
woochunonn 9 months ago
lee is not so strong.
KYUNGILNAM 10 months ago