"Lighthouses are more helpful THAN churches" BF... I'm sure Ben Franklin said than and NOT then when he said that. :) Just a lil pet peeve I've got. Thanks. Oh and thank you for compiling these quotes! I love them!
@TOLTECAAZTECA to know implies that there is strong evidance for something which has been scrutanised and it holds up based on the facts we already know. having Faith in something is not the same as knowing it exists.
@Hopefulfilment Father bless hopefulfilment and open his eyes and ears to You. let them shrug off his chip on his shoulder for You, warm his heart with Your truth and Love and not the worlds lies and strife. fill him with your faith and remove the world's unbelief. In Yahshua's name.amen.
@MrDathon1577 You need to go pray in private as Jesus instructed you, not here on a YouTube video. And addressing Jesus by a Hebrew name doesn't make him any more real. (And, yes, I know your post was 8 months ago.)
If God exists than he cannot be righteous, perfect, omniscient, all powerful or all knowing, because if that were the case, then his nemesis, or evil wouldn't exist.
@TheReasonParty darkness exists because of light, when there is light there is no darkness and when there is no light there is darkness. the same goes for God. sin exists because lucifer turned away from God which is good and because of this you have Good and evil. if lucifer wasnt found with inquity there would only be perfection.
@MrDathon1577 Uh, the claim of knowing what is 'good' or 'evil' is the problem - it causes petty judgments to be passed on fellow humans - it is in claiming that you know whats 'good' and whats not that 'pride' takes over. What gives anyone the right to exert that kind of dominance over another human? Nothing.
@StephenWebb1980 excuse me? killing someone is guess what evil. stealing for personal gain is guess what evil. talking bad about someone is evil. helping others is guess what good. putting others before yourself is guess what good! it's not called pride to differentiate between the two it's called wisdom and understanding. dominance over another human being is evil, we have laws that govern us and those laws are based on the 10 commandments handed down to us by God. we arent animals. seek truth!
@MrDathon1577 You sir, have missed the point entirely. Let me ask you this - you saved a person, hooray you think you did a good act as per your definition of good - but then that person kills 100 people, boo - evidently, in hind site [which they say is 20/20] your action was NOT good at all - and since you could not have known this, well you weren't to blame - since nobody knows the absolute 'truth' regarding the consequences, its very difficult to say you REALLY know whats good and whats evil
@MrDathon1577 'Truth' is only evident when a systems rules allow it to be. Good and Evil are the same - two opposites that cause judgment, conflict and strife. Personally I say that breaking the agreed upon laws of society [a man made system] is NOT GOOD. Let that be stated for the record. Viewing things objectively and without bias or judgement is the best way to progress.
@MrDathon1577 The very idea that you think you know the 'truth', to me is rather offensive because you suppose yourself to be in a position greater than I who evidently doesn't 'know' the 'truth' according to you - that is judgmental. The very idea of truth itself is inextricably intertwined with the notion of absolute, and I find it rather funny how you can claim the absolute for yourself, a limited being.
@StephenWebb1980 "You sir, have missed the point entirely. Let me ask you this - you saved a person, hooray you think you did a good act as per your definition of good - but then that person kills 100 people,"
now look at the failed logic here that you are stating. i can and you can only do good and evil by our own choice, we can not make choices for others. that stated then indeed if i CHOSE to save a person I am doing GOOD by my own CHOICE. if the other person CHOOSES to do evil that is ..
@MrDathon1577 you missed the point. he was saying that the action of saving someone may turn out to have bad consequences and thus be bad. The world would have been better off if you HADN'T saved a mass murderer from death.
@SPACKlick are you deaf? in life you dont have a good decision or a bad decision and their is decisions in between lol you drink and drive its a bad decision. you decide to quit smoking its a good decision. liking britney spears isnt a mediocre decision lol its a bad decision. do i need to explain more? are you getting it yet? is it sinking in?lol
@SPACKlick dear boy if you can not see the fact that im making by giving you obviuos evidence then this conversation is done cause bottom line i could get more feed back from a wall then a blind fool as yourself lol
a square circle can not be made cause it can not consist in our reality. thats like asking can God create a stone He can not life. its a double negative that has positive outcome.
balance has appeared in chaos lol oh ok dumb ass i want to hear this lol ill be more then happy to
@MrDathon1577 wow great justification of your position "it's obvious"
Ok, I will admit that the square circle was a bad choice for something you could not think, however that does not effect the limits of your ability to eat mountains or drink molten lead.
In all random sequences small patterns emerge for small moments. The longer you leave the system the longer the moments of balanced patterning. On a scale with small random factors think of a shoal of fish. Each fish swims individually and
@SPACKlick the shoal is the result. From there look at soups of plasmid electrons. Each electron moves according only to the laws of nature but the soup can form rings of charge and mountains and valleys which last for large fractions of a second before falling back to nothing. And the final one is energy turning into particles, a regular, ordered and balanced form of energy that occurs randomly from that energy.
@SPACKlick " energy turning into particles, a regular, ordered and balanced form of energy that occurs randomly from that energy." lol WHAT speak english dear boy, and when you copy and paste please paste the whole sentance, i mean chopping it up and trying to pass it off as your own is foolish.
because the cell membrane changes shape you call that order moving to disorder & back to order? WHAT lol are you smoking crack? lol
me making my stomack do waves isnt order to disorder back to order
@SPACKlick WHAT? energy being converted into matter is not disorder lol the steady lack of enery on the other hand is the definiton of disorder lol the universe cooling down is the definition of disorder, you and i aging is the definition of disorder. moving from one state to another is not disorder lol
@MrDathon1577 Yes, entropy is the general trend of the universe from energy in useful states to energy in workless states, which is commonly understood as disorder but a universe with maximal entropy would be perfectly ordered, everything would be in the same state at the same temperature.
@SPACKlick did i ever say i could eat mountains and drink lead? first of that is a rediculous concept, second it goes back to the God analogy of making a boulder He cant lift. let me ask you can you run a mile under 4 min? can you jump over 7ft? can you throw a 10 lb ball over 30ft? no YOU can not, but others can. those GOALS are ATTAINABLE and why because they are relative to the world in which we live in.
so again i say keep you double negative bullshit about limits to yourself.
@MrDathon1577 No, you said you weren't limited. It is not the same as the boulder an omnipotent being can't lift because that particular argument holds from the logical fallacy of treating "a boulder an omnipotent being can't lift" being an object which is consistent. However there are creatures that can live in and absorb nutrition from magma and creatures that ingest stone. The fact that you cannot and never could is a limitation on your part.
@SPACKlick so if you are saying then that 5ooo years is plenty of time for natural selection to take place then why are dogs and cats the same as back in the egyptian time? there is no major differences, except breed and the breeding part is man made since it is man who makes the specified breeds.
@StephenWebb1980 his CHOICE. there is only 2 CHOICES to do good or to do bad, thats it. black and white. it is only man's failed logic and understanding that has implemented grey area.for example the judicial system, 1st and 2nd degree murder... they are both the same and get the same result..death, whether if it was thought out or in a heat of the moment. bottom line we were given free will by God to choose and there is only 2 things too choose God's path = life, or satan's = death. your choice
@MrDathon1577 That's clearly not true. I can take a little of both and also there are situations with varying degrees of goodness and badness. and there are situations where you must choose between two bad options. the black and white was the invention of man, the real world is all colours of the spectrum.
@StephenWebb1980 " funny how you can claim the absolute for yourself, a limited being." really im limited? oh by what? by you? no no, by society? no no. i can and do make my own choices freely and daily. i choose to wear the clothes i do, i choose to eat the food i do, i choose to drive the vehicle i do and i choose to live in the place i do and so on and so forth, i know im saved from death, i know ill be living for eternity with my creator, i know that my actions and behavior towards others ..
@MrDathon1577 No, by definition - you aren't eternal, or absolute - you are limited. In previous replies you seem quite hostile, quite telling really. Oh, and I'm NOT an atheist - so much for assumptions I guess. Why do you proudly lord your supposed superiority over me as if you are something better? I make no such claims about you, nor do I assume such a position. You assume quite a lot, when you apply the term 'truth' to an assumption, you make yourself look like a fool. Remember that.
@StephenWebb1980 go cry elsewhere lil boy your failed logic and idle banter is not needed here, all you are doing is rambling, here ill give you the definition of truth so that you can have an understanding of what it truely means" conformity with fact or reality; verity.a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like"the truth is dear one all you do is ramble, with no cognitive notions or ideas,like i said stop living in the box you put yourself in, open your eyes to truth!
@MrDathon1577 The truth of this conversation, by which i mean the verifiable facts are; 1) you are limited. 2) There are various combinations of properties, sometimes ascribed to god which are inconsistent and render that concept of god impossible 3)Morality is not black and white 4)MrDathon is ignorant of many facts and accuses others of rambling, while rambling.
Things which are not truth 1)MrDathon is unlimited 2)God Exists 3)StephenWebb was thoroughly pwned
@SPACKlick 4:) your ad hominem blurts are showing the fact that you really have nothing worth while to say except idle banter.
oh please where did i say i was unlimited? lol God does exist and stephen webb what ever relevance is he to this topic is whomever he is and completely not noted for this.
@MrDathon1577 Funny, that's not actually an ad hominem, you have demonstrated ignorance of several facts (for example "we aren't animals") and your accusation of rambling was in a rambling comment. I did not claim that your rambling renders your argument in valid, which would have been an ad hominem.
You claimed to be eternal (thus not limited in time), you also said "really im limited? oh by what?" in a context which clearly meant you thought you weren't.
@SPACKlick i am not limited to the ideas of thought, im not limited to the ability to go where i want to on this earth, im not limited to what i can eat and drink. im not limited to when i can sleep. im not limited to what i can watch on tv. before you make a failed argument of being limited id suggest you elaborate,since when i said it im talking about the physical nature. until Yahshua returns we are limited to the physical, after then the universe is our play ground.
@MrDathon1577 There are ideas you cannot think. You cannot conceive of an infinite square circle. You cannot eat mountains and you cannot drink molten lead. You cannot choose to stay awake indefinitely and you cannot fall asleep immediately you want to if you are well rested. You cannot watch the big bang on tv. There are limits, you are limited by the constraints of physical possibility.
Now I believe I asked for evidence for your claim...
@MrDathon1577 You are not limited? Make a planet identical to earth but on the other side of the sun, with one hand tied behind your back. If you cannot then you are limited. You are limited in knowledge, power, time, space and freedom. You cannot choose to do certain things which you are capable of doing because of the way your brain is built. You are so limited compared with your description that it hurts to think of the shock you may receive when you realise it.
@SPACKlick did i say i was unlimited? i said God is not limited. please follow along and comprehend what you are reading then jumping to failed assertions like you are doing.
1:) did i ever say i was not limited? get your eyes and ears checked pls, you failed on this one.
2:) oh really properties of God being impossible? like? ive already shown you all the ones you think He cant be as being able to be, so what other ones are you talking about?
@SPACKlick A pair of siamese twins. If you seperate them one will definitely live and the other will have a 5% chance of survival. If you don't seperate them they each have a 45% chance of survival. Is it better to seperate them or not?
What if the odds were 3% and 95%
What if the odds were 40% and 55%
There are clearly shades of grey, decisions which are best, better, good, good-ish, neutral, bad-ish, bad, worse, worst.
@SPACKlick God's evidence open eyes and look around. the mere complexity and great balance in life is not a random occurace since we can already establish that balance can not come randomly and from chaos.
siamese twins, first why would you seperate them unless there is a need to. second no there isnt all those failed decisions lol you seperate the twin and one dies and one lives its still a bad decision cause one died. if there was a life threatening reson that both would die if not seperated.
@SPACKlick if there was no reason to seperate them medically and you do and one dies and one lives thats a bad choice. if you leave them alone and they live their full life the wat God indended them to then thats a good choice. see the reasoning their, if one dies it is a bad choice either way you cut it.
you say the Bible is not an argument yet we have historians,scholars who varify it's authenticity, we have archelogists who use to find lost buildings etc for example jericho. pls spare me
@MrDathon1577 However, when you MAKE the choice you do not know whether or not they'll live, you only know the odds and only vaguely know the odds. Your black and white view is clearly inconsistent with reality.
@StephenWebb1980 are choices i make because of the gift of life my Savior who gave to me so freely. i feel sorry for you that you feel so "limited" you should trying accepting Yahshua into your life and allow Him to open yourself up to infinite possibilites, rather then living in your box you and all other atheists live in.
@MrDathon1577 FAIL, If there was light everywhere, there would be no darkness. So god cannot be omnipresent and omnibenevolent.
He also cannot be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent for then there would be no evil. If he can not he is not omnipotent, if he does not know of the evil then he is not omniscient and if he chooses not to he is not omnibenevolent.
@SPACKlick So when the Bible states and i quote" 4And God saw that the light was good (suitable, pleasant) and He approved it; and God separated the light from the darkness." so God can be omnipresent and omnibenevolent.
"He also cannot be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent for then there would be no evil." WHAT? lol sin is the absence of God. just like darkness is the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat lol
who says God didnt know of the evil? of lucifer's choice?
2) If god was all good, and everywhere, everywhere would be good. To say sin is the absence of god means god is not everywhere if sin exists.
3) If god KNOWS about evil. HAS THE POWER to stop evil and DESIRES that there be no evil. There will be no evil. If god is OMNISCIENT he knows everything. if he is OMNIPOTENT he has the power to stop everything if he is OMNIBENEVOLENT he desires no evil, therefore if there is sin god is not these 3 things.
@SPACKlick The logic is relatively simple. There are inconsistent properties and some people claim god HAS these inconsistent properties.
People also make crazy claims about objective morality being true, and about morality not being able to exist without god. These claims are just as false.
So to get back to the ROOT of this conversation.
If Light was omnipresent there would be no darkness
If God was omnipresent (and certain other basal properties) there would be no evil.
@SPACKlick with your fallacies about the Bible, much smarter more educated people then you have varified it, and since im already a believer yep God has varified it for me too. so that leaves you out to lunch on that one sorry you fail yet again.
"If god was all good, and everywhere, everywhere would be good. To say sin is the absence of god means god is not everywhere if sin exists." WHAT? lol oh brother you truely are misinformed lol yes God is everywhere, yes God is Good, but He can not make
@MrDathon1577 If god is good, and sin is not good and god is everwhere, sin is nowhere. If there is somewhere that sin is, that place is not good and is therefore not somewhere god is and therefore god is not everywhere. Simple logic.
@SPACKlick you choose Him, if you choose satan - death that is your choice. God will however right the wrong lucifer made and then adam, by cleansing His creation of sin on the return of Yahshua.
OMNISCIENT - having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things
OMNIPOTENT - having very great or unlimited authority or power
OMNIBENEVOLENT - Omnibenevolence (from Latin omni- meaning "all", and benevolent, meaning "good")
@SPACKlick He imparted in your free will. He will allow you to choose Him or death. If God would right your wrong doings at a flick of a wrist so to speak what would you learn, you then become a robot. God wants children to Love Him by choice not by being told to and made to.
"People also make crazy claims about objective morality being true, and about morality not being able to exist without god. These claims are just as false." there are morals in the animal kingdom? oh really?
@MrDathon1577 Yes there are morals in the animal kingdom. Look at all social mammals. Dolphins reciprocate and punish and have taboos. Chimpanzees the same. and also EVEN if there were no morals in the animal kingdom, that does not show that morality is objective or that it requires god to exist. please try logic again.
@SPACKlick you go live with the monkeys and apes and when they beat you for no reason you can sit there justified they do have morals lol but not morals governed by God lol dude you are sounding dumber and dumber as this conversation is going on. im at the point either say something useful or dont let the door hit your ass on the way out cause you are frankly becoming quite boring and out right foolish with your logic.
@MrDathon1577 But at least I'm using reason logic and evidence. what part of the fact that other animals have rules for social interaction that are equivalent to if less detailed than our morals offends you? and why?
Also, lets grant that ONLY humans have morals if it makes you feel better. Morals would still be the product of developing social mores within ever more stable and successful societies. It wouldn't require a god.
@SPACKlick last i checked a lion isnt being put on trial for killing the gazelle. last i checked makak monkey's are being put on trial for stealing. last i checked you dont have owls opening up physchiatry trees for the depressed sloths and the down troddenl emurs. morality is a human trait and only human and why? because that is what has been instilled into us by our creator, the knowledge and understanding of right and wrong.
@MrDathon1577 Macaques are ostracised from their society for stealing. Lemurs are driven out of communities for killing young lemurs of other males. Morality exists in nature and is a natural byproduct of intelligent society.
@SPACKlick pst morality doesnt happen or isnt created randomly. lol but about the monkeyMacaques also have a very intricate social structure and hierarchy. If a macaque that is lower level in the social chain has eaten berries and there are none left for a higher level macaque, then the one higher in status can, within this social organization, remove the berries from the other monkey's mouth"
has nothing to do with morals dumb ass its called leader of the pack lol
@MrDathon1577 Macaques are not a purely pecking order society. Macaques do have powerful alphas and not so powerful betas but they are not all ranked in order like wolves for example. They do exhibit equal social behaviour and even an alpha stealing will have retribution from the rest of the tribe.
You find a definition of morals that humans have that there aren't examples of in the animal kingdom, I'd be impressed, there is very little difference.
@SPACKlick holy fuck dude i mean the bullshit you are spewing is stupid. ALL species are social within their own species lol if they werent they wouldnt mate and procreate. ALL species have a leader and followers lol you need to give your head a shake i mean shit the bullshit that is coming out of your mouth is complete nonesense. ever heard of jane goodall lol she observed and reported this social behavior. ever heard of Steve Irwin he also observed social behavior in crocs and others.
@MrDathon1577 Not all species are social, many species are solitary or cohabitual. I am using the technical definition of social here meaning interacting with and gaining mutual benefit from one another as part of regular behaviour. Social animals display morals, invariantly, asocial creatures seem not to. Crocodiles are an interesting case where it took a long time to see the social side of them due to the large amounts of solitary behaviours..
@SPACKlick socail animals, solitude animals all DO NOT display morals lol Morality " is a sense of behavioral conduct that differentiates intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and bad (or wrong)" there has never been a chimp that has shown being wrong lol or doing a wrong action lol him throwing shit at others or pissing at others, or stealing food is all animal nature. stop humanising animals.they are called animals for a reason as much as you thing different
@SPACKlick actually you can watch the big bang theory on TV lol but for the rest of your double negatives, the improbable etc, those arent reality, they can not exist, happen in our universe. so they are illegitimate.
God created the world in six days, on the seventh he rested and on the eighth he turned himself into Chuck Norris and has watched over us ever since. FACT!!!
@ChristianMission: of course we take that our senses tell us something useful about the world as an assumption, without this assumption we can only prove that we exist: "Cogito ergo sum." (Descartes). The thing is, you also believe this, and everything else you pointed out. However, faith in a religous sense and "faith" in this kind of assumption sense are nowhere near equal: presented with something that goes against our assumptions, we change our assumptions. You just rely on an old book.
You have some of the credits wrong...edward gibbon did not sat "religion is regarded by the common people as true...." Roman Philosopher Senneca the Younger did.
What I find is the worst of all of religion is the definite Good and Evil concepts, as if no one can be in between. It's cruel, really, that since I don't believe in god, I may as well kill a few people on my way to 'hell'. -_-'
Douglas Adams (Hitchhiker's Guide) said something like this that I think is revealing:
Imagine a mud puddle gaining conciousness & looking around. He sees what a perfect fit the pothole is for him and concludes it must have been made for him.
Creationists look at the world and see how perfectly it fits life and conclude God must have done it when the opposite is true... we're a perfect fit for the Earth because we EVOLVED into it. Shows how backwards thinking can lead to bad conclusions.
Regardless of their claims, atheists don't hold a monopoly on science, rationality, reason, logic; in fact they are often quite the opposite. Just as self righteousness isn't religion, atheism isn't science. Atheism's based on materialism, which is hypothesis not fact; it is the atheist's faith. Today's atheists tend to be as dogmatic as the religious adherents they attack as they believe themselves absolutely right, and anybody which disagrees with them is any of a number of negative things.
I only attack self fulfilling prophecies that your holy book has . Im an atheist and will refuse to sit back and listen to your lies about a magical man up in the sky.
I lack the belief that a god exist, just like i lack the belief that santa exists, since i haven't been presented with evidence for the existence of either. So far i havent seen any and that makes the position i hold the most rational one. Show me the evidence for the existence of god if you have a rational belief.
Has anyone claimed atheism is science? Its simply the lack of belief in a god.
Buddhists are also atheists since their beliefs dont involve a god are buddhists materialists?
ChristianMission, was someone equating Atheists to Science? They're different of course. However, I think they go together well because Atheists refuse to believe in things on faith alone and that's the kind of mind set that embraces Science which also only accepts ideas with evidence.
Therefore "Atheist's faith" is an oxymoron.
Atheists believe what they believe because they've been proven. Something that can't be said for religion. That's why there are about 470 religions, no evidence.
@ChristianMission Atheist's Faith? That's an oxymoron. We don't --have-- faith. That's the point. Oh, and most of us only get upset when faiths cause disasters-- You know, like 9/11 or the Crusades.
@tigergirl718 , yes atheists do have faith. Your faith is materialism, it's faith in your senses, it's faith your supposed rational conclusions are correct. Atheists simplify reality, reducing all "disasters" to products of religion. Yet history proves that remove religion and you'll still have man committing acts of inhumanity to man. WW1 and WW2, for example, were not religious conflicts. Most of history's conflicts have, in fact, not been religious or have any religious dimension.
See the thing is that you're wrong. Let me tell you how this occurred-- one day, just like the day when I realized Santa wasn't real or the boogey monster, I realized that God could not logically exist. Later, I realized that if he -did- exist, he's an asshole. Furthermore we simplify nothing-- *you* reduce disasters to God-- even natural ones. "It's all His Plan". We are realistic. And oh my fucking non-existant god, WW2? REALLY? You've just become someone not worth my time.
@ChristianMission. I hear this argument from theist all the time but it is very flawed. Just because nothing can be know with absolute certainty does not mean all claims are on the same level of likelihood. We function with probabilities of things being true. Some things we are very certain of (like scientific claims) while others have no basis (like religious claims) so we can say they are very unlikely to be true.
@ ChristianMission: "Most of history's conflicts have, in fact, not been religious or have any religious dimension. "--please don't spew this garbage unless you are literally going to count every known historical conflict and classify them by either religious or secular precedents.
BTW, the fact that religion is not the cause of all conflicts does not automatically mean that it is helpful to the progression of society. You don't have to be atheist to know how to use LOGIC, but apparently....
@ChristianMission Conflicts like the current war on terror, or the Shiite's versus the Sunni? Or religious battles like the Sikhs and Hindus after operation Bluestar? Or The Crusades of your own fair and forgiving religion? The real reasons are always materialistic, the excuse is religion.
My favourite quote: If you can convince a man of absurdities, you can drive him to commit atrocities.
@ChristianMission Not only is there tons of distorted fact in here, but a logical impossibility. If one can't have faith in the senses, then judging by them in order to sense the bible would then invariably be false. If you are saying you do not have faith in senses, then how can you trust anything. You might as well give up right now, because according you your logic nothing can be taken seriously. By the way, WW1 and 2-politics, the mass killing of jews was because of their RELIGION.
@ChristianMission lol no atheist says all disasters are religions fault and of coarse without religion youl have crimes yet we know by the numbers in studies they would DRASTICLY lower
@ChristianMission Atheist's Faith? That's an oxymoron. We don't --have-- faith. That's the point. Oh, and most of us only get upset when faiths cause disasters-- You know, like 9/11 or the Crusades.
Some people regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does not help at all cure your delusions!
What time has been wasted during man's destiny in the struggle to decide what man's next world will be like! The keener the effort to find out, the less he knew about the present one he lived in.
I can't tell that to jesus. Because he was a regular human being if now he however existed back in time and is now dead, will never get conscienceness and therefor unable to exchange words with.
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THE "GOD" ...in .ALL WAYS EXISTS ..was ALWAYS ALIVE and PRESENT .....If GOD ever had a DEATH moment ..then the universe and LIFE HERE would have NEVER Started ! ! ! ! THE process is a CONTINUUM and was/is like a burning torch that was always LIT ....PASSING the flame of LIFE ..to Us ....
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I found a long time ago that nothing ( except the PHILOSOPHY and SACRIFICE ..that a MAN (JESHUA/JESUS) ...SUFFERED and died for me and LIVES ON n my HEART and SOUL forever ....ON ...I can NEVER THANK ..HIm enough !!!! THis world is can be a better PLACE by FAITH and ACTING upon Good works..
The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful, and has nobody to thank.--Dante Gabriel Rossetti
I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.--Abraham Lincoln
I hope for the day when everyone can speak again of God without embarrassment. --Paul Tillich
"Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors."
- Isaac Newton 1850
"The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who - in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses' - cannot hear the music of the spheres."
I think stephen hawkings quote has to do with albert einstein quote "God doesn't play dices" in the sense that everything is 100% predicteble if we know all the laws of universe... modern physics show us the opposite... everything have a certain probability of happening.
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hahaha...well, for one it would depend on what your god looks like. And there's a theory that nothing exists until you look at it, so maybe everyone is invisible until someone else realizes they exist.
if you were asking me, yes obviusly since thats clearly stated in my comments who has the devil ever killed? God goes on a godlike killing spree killing the entire earth, killing all newborns, killing people just for the sin of complaining, killing people just to make a point, the list goes on so the devil has no chance to even compete with god.
If you are are talking about God's punishments in the bible, then you have a problem . If you think that punishing evil people is cruel then the you have a problem not us believers. What would you think of a God you Leaves murder injustice , spouse infidelity and rape without punishment. I wouldn't worship such a God.
It says very clearly in the bible as long as you repent and forgive your sins you will go to heaven. A murderer could easy do that, a rapist aswell. Since jesus payed for all of our sins , and no im not a beliver, just heard that from other believers. So you do belivie in a god who does that. Also god kills millions of innocent people aswell, an example would be he killed every first born son in the entire egypt according to the bible. Guess power really drives you crazy eh.
so , now you are blaming God for being merciful to those who repent.
No man is innocent , we all sinned and deserve punishment.
Also, God punishes people like idol worshipers only after they prove they are hopeless cases . there were 9 milder punishments before that & Moses warned them to stop enslaving Israel and Egyptians didn't repent . Do you ask God not to punish enslavers.
if you believe in magic talking snakes, people being made from dirt, women being made from ribs, and the earth being 6000 years old. then it is you with the severe problem.
that's the point. you didn't refute anything. you oversimplify the theory and try to make it seem like your made for dumb fucks theory is slightly possible.
lol get your facts right before you say that stuff, you're making me laugh at your stupid comment.....people didn't evolve from dirt without a maker, noone said that ROFL...what a retard.....but then again ,we're talking to a christain
"Lighthouses are more helpful THAN churches" BF... I'm sure Ben Franklin said than and NOT then when he said that. :) Just a lil pet peeve I've got. Thanks. Oh and thank you for compiling these quotes! I love them!
lilrvrgrl69 5 months ago
Love the Lighting Rod, Lack of confidence :D
AxeHomeless 6 months ago
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MagicTellaVision 7 months ago
Don't believe God exist....know that he does.
TOLTECAAZTECA 7 months ago
@TOLTECAAZTECA to know implies that there is strong evidance for something which has been scrutanised and it holds up based on the facts we already know. having Faith in something is not the same as knowing it exists.
vampiresbane 7 months ago in playlist Atheism: Presentations
@vampiresbane You are way....way....way...To much of an '''intellectual''' for me.Have a nice life.
TOLTECAAZTECA 7 months ago
@TOLTECAAZTECA proof?
AKwheeler907 6 months ago
What’s the difference between a bowling ball and professor richard dawkins?
At most, you can only get three fingers in a bowling ball.
malithe00 8 months ago
Blaise Pascal was a Religious Philosopher. I wonder why he criticized religion.
KEEETARO 9 months ago
@psychicpriest then i will pray to God for you then if you are unwilling to do so yourself.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 O please! Do me next!! Pray for me and I will update you on any significant changes in my life!
Hopefulfilment 10 months ago
@Hopefulfilment Father bless hopefulfilment and open his eyes and ears to You. let them shrug off his chip on his shoulder for You, warm his heart with Your truth and Love and not the worlds lies and strife. fill him with your faith and remove the world's unbelief. In Yahshua's name.amen.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 You need to go pray in private as Jesus instructed you, not here on a YouTube video. And addressing Jesus by a Hebrew name doesn't make him any more real. (And, yes, I know your post was 8 months ago.)
politicoochie09 2 months ago
i'm pretty sure Voltaire wasn't an atheist. he was a reformer but not an atheist, & he was a little on the raciest side. goods stuff though
CIEGE1000 11 months ago
ironic that the music is from a christian
tyroy57 1 year ago
@tyroy57 that's not irony!
SPACKlick 10 months ago
I did'nt really get, "now, for my all time favourite atheist quote", the rest are good..
nekken87 1 year ago
If God exists than he cannot be righteous, perfect, omniscient, all powerful or all knowing, because if that were the case, then his nemesis, or evil wouldn't exist.
TheReasonParty 1 year ago
@TheReasonParty darkness exists because of light, when there is light there is no darkness and when there is no light there is darkness. the same goes for God. sin exists because lucifer turned away from God which is good and because of this you have Good and evil. if lucifer wasnt found with inquity there would only be perfection.
MrDathon1577 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 Uh, the claim of knowing what is 'good' or 'evil' is the problem - it causes petty judgments to be passed on fellow humans - it is in claiming that you know whats 'good' and whats not that 'pride' takes over. What gives anyone the right to exert that kind of dominance over another human? Nothing.
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
@StephenWebb1980 excuse me? killing someone is guess what evil. stealing for personal gain is guess what evil. talking bad about someone is evil. helping others is guess what good. putting others before yourself is guess what good! it's not called pride to differentiate between the two it's called wisdom and understanding. dominance over another human being is evil, we have laws that govern us and those laws are based on the 10 commandments handed down to us by God. we arent animals. seek truth!
MrDathon1577 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 You sir, have missed the point entirely. Let me ask you this - you saved a person, hooray you think you did a good act as per your definition of good - but then that person kills 100 people, boo - evidently, in hind site [which they say is 20/20] your action was NOT good at all - and since you could not have known this, well you weren't to blame - since nobody knows the absolute 'truth' regarding the consequences, its very difficult to say you REALLY know whats good and whats evil
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 'Truth' is only evident when a systems rules allow it to be. Good and Evil are the same - two opposites that cause judgment, conflict and strife. Personally I say that breaking the agreed upon laws of society [a man made system] is NOT GOOD. Let that be stated for the record. Viewing things objectively and without bias or judgement is the best way to progress.
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 The very idea that you think you know the 'truth', to me is rather offensive because you suppose yourself to be in a position greater than I who evidently doesn't 'know' the 'truth' according to you - that is judgmental. The very idea of truth itself is inextricably intertwined with the notion of absolute, and I find it rather funny how you can claim the absolute for yourself, a limited being.
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
@StephenWebb1980 "You sir, have missed the point entirely. Let me ask you this - you saved a person, hooray you think you did a good act as per your definition of good - but then that person kills 100 people,"
now look at the failed logic here that you are stating. i can and you can only do good and evil by our own choice, we can not make choices for others. that stated then indeed if i CHOSE to save a person I am doing GOOD by my own CHOICE. if the other person CHOOSES to do evil that is ..
MrDathon1577 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 you missed the point. he was saying that the action of saving someone may turn out to have bad consequences and thus be bad. The world would have been better off if you HADN'T saved a mass murderer from death.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick there is only good or bad. God or satan, there is no gray.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Wow, great argument, restating your position with no justification. Just fantastic.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick are you deaf? in life you dont have a good decision or a bad decision and their is decisions in between lol you drink and drive its a bad decision. you decide to quit smoking its a good decision. liking britney spears isnt a mediocre decision lol its a bad decision. do i need to explain more? are you getting it yet? is it sinking in?lol
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Starting to defend your position would be good, rather than just constantly restating it.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick dear boy if you can not see the fact that im making by giving you obviuos evidence then this conversation is done cause bottom line i could get more feed back from a wall then a blind fool as yourself lol
a square circle can not be made cause it can not consist in our reality. thats like asking can God create a stone He can not life. its a double negative that has positive outcome.
balance has appeared in chaos lol oh ok dumb ass i want to hear this lol ill be more then happy to
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 wow great justification of your position "it's obvious"
Ok, I will admit that the square circle was a bad choice for something you could not think, however that does not effect the limits of your ability to eat mountains or drink molten lead.
In all random sequences small patterns emerge for small moments. The longer you leave the system the longer the moments of balanced patterning. On a scale with small random factors think of a shoal of fish. Each fish swims individually and
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick the shoal is the result. From there look at soups of plasmid electrons. Each electron moves according only to the laws of nature but the soup can form rings of charge and mountains and valleys which last for large fractions of a second before falling back to nothing. And the final one is energy turning into particles, a regular, ordered and balanced form of energy that occurs randomly from that energy.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick " energy turning into particles, a regular, ordered and balanced form of energy that occurs randomly from that energy." lol WHAT speak english dear boy, and when you copy and paste please paste the whole sentance, i mean chopping it up and trying to pass it off as your own is foolish.
because the cell membrane changes shape you call that order moving to disorder & back to order? WHAT lol are you smoking crack? lol
me making my stomack do waves isnt order to disorder back to order
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 1) i never mentioned cells or copy pasted.
2) Energy, turns into matter. This is a form of order coming from disorder.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick WHAT? energy being converted into matter is not disorder lol the steady lack of enery on the other hand is the definiton of disorder lol the universe cooling down is the definition of disorder, you and i aging is the definition of disorder. moving from one state to another is not disorder lol
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@SPACKlick id suggest you read up on what entropy is. cause your understanding is very very very very very very very very wrong
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Yes, entropy is the general trend of the universe from energy in useful states to energy in workless states, which is commonly understood as disorder but a universe with maximal entropy would be perfectly ordered, everything would be in the same state at the same temperature.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick did i ever say i could eat mountains and drink lead? first of that is a rediculous concept, second it goes back to the God analogy of making a boulder He cant lift. let me ask you can you run a mile under 4 min? can you jump over 7ft? can you throw a 10 lb ball over 30ft? no YOU can not, but others can. those GOALS are ATTAINABLE and why because they are relative to the world in which we live in.
so again i say keep you double negative bullshit about limits to yourself.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 No, you said you weren't limited. It is not the same as the boulder an omnipotent being can't lift because that particular argument holds from the logical fallacy of treating "a boulder an omnipotent being can't lift" being an object which is consistent. However there are creatures that can live in and absorb nutrition from magma and creatures that ingest stone. The fact that you cannot and never could is a limitation on your part.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick is 5000 years long enough to see natural selection working?
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Yes, in 150 years we have seen plenty of it.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick so if you are saying then that 5ooo years is plenty of time for natural selection to take place then why are dogs and cats the same as back in the egyptian time? there is no major differences, except breed and the breeding part is man made since it is man who makes the specified breeds.
cont
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@StephenWebb1980 his CHOICE. there is only 2 CHOICES to do good or to do bad, thats it. black and white. it is only man's failed logic and understanding that has implemented grey area.for example the judicial system, 1st and 2nd degree murder... they are both the same and get the same result..death, whether if it was thought out or in a heat of the moment. bottom line we were given free will by God to choose and there is only 2 things too choose God's path = life, or satan's = death. your choice
MrDathon1577 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 That's clearly not true. I can take a little of both and also there are situations with varying degrees of goodness and badness. and there are situations where you must choose between two bad options. the black and white was the invention of man, the real world is all colours of the spectrum.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@StephenWebb1980 " funny how you can claim the absolute for yourself, a limited being." really im limited? oh by what? by you? no no, by society? no no. i can and do make my own choices freely and daily. i choose to wear the clothes i do, i choose to eat the food i do, i choose to drive the vehicle i do and i choose to live in the place i do and so on and so forth, i know im saved from death, i know ill be living for eternity with my creator, i know that my actions and behavior towards others ..
MrDathon1577 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 No, by definition - you aren't eternal, or absolute - you are limited. In previous replies you seem quite hostile, quite telling really. Oh, and I'm NOT an atheist - so much for assumptions I guess. Why do you proudly lord your supposed superiority over me as if you are something better? I make no such claims about you, nor do I assume such a position. You assume quite a lot, when you apply the term 'truth' to an assumption, you make yourself look like a fool. Remember that.
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago 8
@StephenWebb1980 go cry elsewhere lil boy your failed logic and idle banter is not needed here, all you are doing is rambling, here ill give you the definition of truth so that you can have an understanding of what it truely means" conformity with fact or reality; verity.a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like"the truth is dear one all you do is ramble, with no cognitive notions or ideas,like i said stop living in the box you put yourself in, open your eyes to truth!
MrDathon1577 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 The truth of this conversation, by which i mean the verifiable facts are; 1) you are limited. 2) There are various combinations of properties, sometimes ascribed to god which are inconsistent and render that concept of god impossible 3)Morality is not black and white 4)MrDathon is ignorant of many facts and accuses others of rambling, while rambling.
Things which are not truth 1)MrDathon is unlimited 2)God Exists 3)StephenWebb was thoroughly pwned
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick 4:) your ad hominem blurts are showing the fact that you really have nothing worth while to say except idle banter.
oh please where did i say i was unlimited? lol God does exist and stephen webb what ever relevance is he to this topic is whomever he is and completely not noted for this.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Funny, that's not actually an ad hominem, you have demonstrated ignorance of several facts (for example "we aren't animals") and your accusation of rambling was in a rambling comment. I did not claim that your rambling renders your argument in valid, which would have been an ad hominem.
You claimed to be eternal (thus not limited in time), you also said "really im limited? oh by what?" in a context which clearly meant you thought you weren't.
God does exist? Evidence for this?
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick i am not limited to the ideas of thought, im not limited to the ability to go where i want to on this earth, im not limited to what i can eat and drink. im not limited to when i can sleep. im not limited to what i can watch on tv. before you make a failed argument of being limited id suggest you elaborate,since when i said it im talking about the physical nature. until Yahshua returns we are limited to the physical, after then the universe is our play ground.
cont
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 There are ideas you cannot think. You cannot conceive of an infinite square circle. You cannot eat mountains and you cannot drink molten lead. You cannot choose to stay awake indefinitely and you cannot fall asleep immediately you want to if you are well rested. You cannot watch the big bang on tv. There are limits, you are limited by the constraints of physical possibility.
Now I believe I asked for evidence for your claim...
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 You are not limited? Make a planet identical to earth but on the other side of the sun, with one hand tied behind your back. If you cannot then you are limited. You are limited in knowledge, power, time, space and freedom. You cannot choose to do certain things which you are capable of doing because of the way your brain is built. You are so limited compared with your description that it hurts to think of the shock you may receive when you realise it.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick did i say i was unlimited? i said God is not limited. please follow along and comprehend what you are reading then jumping to failed assertions like you are doing.
1:) did i ever say i was not limited? get your eyes and ears checked pls, you failed on this one.
2:) oh really properties of God being impossible? like? ive already shown you all the ones you think He cant be as being able to be, so what other ones are you talking about?
3:)morality is black and white, good or bad cont
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 1) Yes you claimed incredulity at your limitations and claimed to be eternal. You claimed not to be limited.
2) You have not demonstrated that. But I will deal with that below where you think you have,
3) Again, you claim this but I disagree. There are times when an action may have both good and bad consequences and therefore be shades of grey.
See example below
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick A pair of siamese twins. If you seperate them one will definitely live and the other will have a 5% chance of survival. If you don't seperate them they each have a 45% chance of survival. Is it better to seperate them or not?
What if the odds were 3% and 95%
What if the odds were 40% and 55%
There are clearly shades of grey, decisions which are best, better, good, good-ish, neutral, bad-ish, bad, worse, worst.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick God's evidence open eyes and look around. the mere complexity and great balance in life is not a random occurace since we can already establish that balance can not come randomly and from chaos.
siamese twins, first why would you seperate them unless there is a need to. second no there isnt all those failed decisions lol you seperate the twin and one dies and one lives its still a bad decision cause one died. if there was a life threatening reson that both would die if not seperated.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 1) Balance does appear in chaos, that has been demonstrated hundreds of times.
2) life is merely a form of physical matter.
3) I gave you the odds of survival in both cases, those odds are clearly an important part of this decision.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick refute you once again.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@SPACKlick if there was no reason to seperate them medically and you do and one dies and one lives thats a bad choice. if you leave them alone and they live their full life the wat God indended them to then thats a good choice. see the reasoning their, if one dies it is a bad choice either way you cut it.
you say the Bible is not an argument yet we have historians,scholars who varify it's authenticity, we have archelogists who use to find lost buildings etc for example jericho. pls spare me
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 However, when you MAKE the choice you do not know whether or not they'll live, you only know the odds and only vaguely know the odds. Your black and white view is clearly inconsistent with reality.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@StephenWebb1980 are choices i make because of the gift of life my Savior who gave to me so freely. i feel sorry for you that you feel so "limited" you should trying accepting Yahshua into your life and allow Him to open yourself up to infinite possibilites, rather then living in your box you and all other atheists live in.
MrDathon1577 1 year ago
@MrDathon1577 FAIL, If there was light everywhere, there would be no darkness. So god cannot be omnipresent and omnibenevolent.
He also cannot be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent for then there would be no evil. If he can not he is not omnipotent, if he does not know of the evil then he is not omniscient and if he chooses not to he is not omnibenevolent.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick So when the Bible states and i quote" 4And God saw that the light was good (suitable, pleasant) and He approved it; and God separated the light from the darkness." so God can be omnipresent and omnibenevolent.
"He also cannot be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent for then there would be no evil." WHAT? lol sin is the absence of God. just like darkness is the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat lol
who says God didnt know of the evil? of lucifer's choice?
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 1) The bible is not an argument
2) If god was all good, and everywhere, everywhere would be good. To say sin is the absence of god means god is not everywhere if sin exists.
3) If god KNOWS about evil. HAS THE POWER to stop evil and DESIRES that there be no evil. There will be no evil. If god is OMNISCIENT he knows everything. if he is OMNIPOTENT he has the power to stop everything if he is OMNIBENEVOLENT he desires no evil, therefore if there is sin god is not these 3 things.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick The logic is relatively simple. There are inconsistent properties and some people claim god HAS these inconsistent properties.
People also make crazy claims about objective morality being true, and about morality not being able to exist without god. These claims are just as false.
So to get back to the ROOT of this conversation.
If Light was omnipresent there would be no darkness
If God was omnipresent (and certain other basal properties) there would be no evil.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick with your fallacies about the Bible, much smarter more educated people then you have varified it, and since im already a believer yep God has varified it for me too. so that leaves you out to lunch on that one sorry you fail yet again.
"If god was all good, and everywhere, everywhere would be good. To say sin is the absence of god means god is not everywhere if sin exists." WHAT? lol oh brother you truely are misinformed lol yes God is everywhere, yes God is Good, but He can not make
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 If god is good, and sin is not good and god is everwhere, sin is nowhere. If there is somewhere that sin is, that place is not good and is therefore not somewhere god is and therefore god is not everywhere. Simple logic.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick you choose Him, if you choose satan - death that is your choice. God will however right the wrong lucifer made and then adam, by cleansing His creation of sin on the return of Yahshua.
OMNISCIENT - having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things
OMNIPOTENT - having very great or unlimited authority or power
OMNIBENEVOLENT - Omnibenevolence (from Latin omni- meaning "all", and benevolent, meaning "good")
God can not change your choices...
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Then he is not omnipotent.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick He imparted in your free will. He will allow you to choose Him or death. If God would right your wrong doings at a flick of a wrist so to speak what would you learn, you then become a robot. God wants children to Love Him by choice not by being told to and made to.
"People also make crazy claims about objective morality being true, and about morality not being able to exist without god. These claims are just as false." there are morals in the animal kingdom? oh really?
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Yes there are morals in the animal kingdom. Look at all social mammals. Dolphins reciprocate and punish and have taboos. Chimpanzees the same. and also EVEN if there were no morals in the animal kingdom, that does not show that morality is objective or that it requires god to exist. please try logic again.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick you go live with the monkeys and apes and when they beat you for no reason you can sit there justified they do have morals lol but not morals governed by God lol dude you are sounding dumber and dumber as this conversation is going on. im at the point either say something useful or dont let the door hit your ass on the way out cause you are frankly becoming quite boring and out right foolish with your logic.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 But at least I'm using reason logic and evidence. what part of the fact that other animals have rules for social interaction that are equivalent to if less detailed than our morals offends you? and why?
Also, lets grant that ONLY humans have morals if it makes you feel better. Morals would still be the product of developing social mores within ever more stable and successful societies. It wouldn't require a god.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick last i checked a lion isnt being put on trial for killing the gazelle. last i checked makak monkey's are being put on trial for stealing. last i checked you dont have owls opening up physchiatry trees for the depressed sloths and the down troddenl emurs. morality is a human trait and only human and why? because that is what has been instilled into us by our creator, the knowledge and understanding of right and wrong.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Macaques are ostracised from their society for stealing. Lemurs are driven out of communities for killing young lemurs of other males. Morality exists in nature and is a natural byproduct of intelligent society.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick pst morality doesnt happen or isnt created randomly. lol but about the monkeyMacaques also have a very intricate social structure and hierarchy. If a macaque that is lower level in the social chain has eaten berries and there are none left for a higher level macaque, then the one higher in status can, within this social organization, remove the berries from the other monkey's mouth"
has nothing to do with morals dumb ass its called leader of the pack lol
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Macaques are not a purely pecking order society. Macaques do have powerful alphas and not so powerful betas but they are not all ranked in order like wolves for example. They do exhibit equal social behaviour and even an alpha stealing will have retribution from the rest of the tribe.
You find a definition of morals that humans have that there aren't examples of in the animal kingdom, I'd be impressed, there is very little difference.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick holy fuck dude i mean the bullshit you are spewing is stupid. ALL species are social within their own species lol if they werent they wouldnt mate and procreate. ALL species have a leader and followers lol you need to give your head a shake i mean shit the bullshit that is coming out of your mouth is complete nonesense. ever heard of jane goodall lol she observed and reported this social behavior. ever heard of Steve Irwin he also observed social behavior in crocs and others.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Not all species are social, many species are solitary or cohabitual. I am using the technical definition of social here meaning interacting with and gaining mutual benefit from one another as part of regular behaviour. Social animals display morals, invariantly, asocial creatures seem not to. Crocodiles are an interesting case where it took a long time to see the social side of them due to the large amounts of solitary behaviours..
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick socail animals, solitude animals all DO NOT display morals lol Morality " is a sense of behavioral conduct that differentiates intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and bad (or wrong)" there has never been a chimp that has shown being wrong lol or doing a wrong action lol him throwing shit at others or pissing at others, or stealing food is all animal nature. stop humanising animals.they are called animals for a reason as much as you thing different
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Humans are animals, and I am done with your bullshit you fucking creotard.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick only Yahshua can save you. God bless I pray you find Him. goodbye
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@SPACKlick actually you can watch the big bang theory on TV lol but for the rest of your double negatives, the improbable etc, those arent reality, they can not exist, happen in our universe. so they are illegitimate.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
Here is mine, original:
If god exists, he/she/it is unworthy.
betalover1 1 year ago
i received a reply to a comment i posted last time i was here, which prompted me to watch this brilliant video all over again.
daemonowner 1 year ago
God created the world in six days, on the seventh he rested and on the eighth he turned himself into Chuck Norris and has watched over us ever since. FACT!!!
Norkindar 1 year ago 2
i love that fish one!
daemonowner 1 year ago 8
@daemonowner
me too..^_^
felcgee 1 year ago
@ChristianMission: of course we take that our senses tell us something useful about the world as an assumption, without this assumption we can only prove that we exist: "Cogito ergo sum." (Descartes). The thing is, you also believe this, and everything else you pointed out. However, faith in a religous sense and "faith" in this kind of assumption sense are nowhere near equal: presented with something that goes against our assumptions, we change our assumptions. You just rely on an old book.
compwhiz797 1 year ago
You have some of the credits wrong...edward gibbon did not sat "religion is regarded by the common people as true...." Roman Philosopher Senneca the Younger did.
darthherky 2 years ago
@0.28 Mohandas K Gandhi was not an atheist ...
KermieCorleonie 2 years ago
@KermieCorleonie We know this. The point is he was anti-religion.
UncomfortableSilence 2 years ago
@ 0:59 Stephen Hawking does not have an 's' at the end of it...c'mon!!!!
oshmunnies 2 years ago
You've got a misspelling ("then" should be "than.")
kfw444 2 years ago
Santa lol.
Who invented the red santa,It was coca cola.WAKE UP
Linking coca cola with christianity!!?.If you believe that you will believe that your car turns you not you turn the car.
When you die SHIT APPENS ;D
ColdCurrySauce 2 years ago
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ChristianMission 2 years ago
What I find is the worst of all of religion is the definite Good and Evil concepts, as if no one can be in between. It's cruel, really, that since I don't believe in god, I may as well kill a few people on my way to 'hell'. -_-'
tigergirl718 2 years ago 2
That sounds like an atheist quote.
TheRedRadical1 2 years ago
:D Quote me then! XD I feel smart at the moment...
tigergirl718 2 years ago
might as well, i'll believe in christ so i can kill millions and still get into heaven.
InKa4484 1 year ago
Douglas Adams (Hitchhiker's Guide) said something like this that I think is revealing:
Imagine a mud puddle gaining conciousness & looking around. He sees what a perfect fit the pothole is for him and concludes it must have been made for him.
Creationists look at the world and see how perfectly it fits life and conclude God must have done it when the opposite is true... we're a perfect fit for the Earth because we EVOLVED into it. Shows how backwards thinking can lead to bad conclusions.
warren52nz 2 years ago 4
@warren52nz I know the mud puddle in question, I dug the pot hole for him. Tell Him I said Hi.
novemberwh1skey 2 years ago
1:18 is my favourite.
HollyCaHa 2 years ago
Beautiful Quotes, can I add one by Mark Twain -
'Faith is believing in what you know aint so'
mussusbutley 2 years ago
Awesome video, thank you very much!
Funny and thought inspiring.
zanchito 2 years ago
the only thing different between a cult and a religion, is size
yet if your in a cult, it's frowned apon
HairyGamer 2 years ago
Regardless of their claims, atheists don't hold a monopoly on science, rationality, reason, logic; in fact they are often quite the opposite. Just as self righteousness isn't religion, atheism isn't science. Atheism's based on materialism, which is hypothesis not fact; it is the atheist's faith. Today's atheists tend to be as dogmatic as the religious adherents they attack as they believe themselves absolutely right, and anybody which disagrees with them is any of a number of negative things.
ChristianMission 2 years ago
I only attack self fulfilling prophecies that your holy book has . Im an atheist and will refuse to sit back and listen to your lies about a magical man up in the sky.
rickpunisher 2 years ago 3
@rickpunisher , I'm Christian and Christians don't believe in a magical man in the sky.
ChristianMission 2 years ago
Whatever you want to call it, its still ridiculous.
rickpunisher 2 years ago 3
You're like the bible.
Allot of crap talk but nothing said.
JesseTb2u1x6h 2 years ago
I lack the belief that a god exist, just like i lack the belief that santa exists, since i haven't been presented with evidence for the existence of either. So far i havent seen any and that makes the position i hold the most rational one. Show me the evidence for the existence of god if you have a rational belief.
Has anyone claimed atheism is science? Its simply the lack of belief in a god.
Buddhists are also atheists since their beliefs dont involve a god are buddhists materialists?
paroniniropa 2 years ago
@paroniniropa st.Nickolas did at one time but like all humans he died.
PS.just adding something not trying to be a smartass
darkash900 1 year ago
ChristianMission, was someone equating Atheists to Science? They're different of course. However, I think they go together well because Atheists refuse to believe in things on faith alone and that's the kind of mind set that embraces Science which also only accepts ideas with evidence.
Therefore "Atheist's faith" is an oxymoron.
Atheists believe what they believe because they've been proven. Something that can't be said for religion. That's why there are about 470 religions, no evidence.
warren52nz 2 years ago
@ChristianMission Atheist's Faith? That's an oxymoron. We don't --have-- faith. That's the point. Oh, and most of us only get upset when faiths cause disasters-- You know, like 9/11 or the Crusades.
tigergirl718 2 years ago
@tigergirl718 , yes atheists do have faith. Your faith is materialism, it's faith in your senses, it's faith your supposed rational conclusions are correct. Atheists simplify reality, reducing all "disasters" to products of religion. Yet history proves that remove religion and you'll still have man committing acts of inhumanity to man. WW1 and WW2, for example, were not religious conflicts. Most of history's conflicts have, in fact, not been religious or have any religious dimension.
ChristianMission 2 years ago
See the thing is that you're wrong. Let me tell you how this occurred-- one day, just like the day when I realized Santa wasn't real or the boogey monster, I realized that God could not logically exist. Later, I realized that if he -did- exist, he's an asshole. Furthermore we simplify nothing-- *you* reduce disasters to God-- even natural ones. "It's all His Plan". We are realistic. And oh my fucking non-existant god, WW2? REALLY? You've just become someone not worth my time.
tigergirl718 2 years ago 19
@ChristianMission. I hear this argument from theist all the time but it is very flawed. Just because nothing can be know with absolute certainty does not mean all claims are on the same level of likelihood. We function with probabilities of things being true. Some things we are very certain of (like scientific claims) while others have no basis (like religious claims) so we can say they are very unlikely to be true.
brockunc 2 years ago
@ ChristianMission: "Most of history's conflicts have, in fact, not been religious or have any religious dimension. "--please don't spew this garbage unless you are literally going to count every known historical conflict and classify them by either religious or secular precedents.
BTW, the fact that religion is not the cause of all conflicts does not automatically mean that it is helpful to the progression of society. You don't have to be atheist to know how to use LOGIC, but apparently....
oshmunnies 2 years ago
...it helps.
oshmunnies 2 years ago
the death of 6 million JEWS?
Lindyhops17 2 years ago
@ChristianMission Conflicts like the current war on terror, or the Shiite's versus the Sunni? Or religious battles like the Sikhs and Hindus after operation Bluestar? Or The Crusades of your own fair and forgiving religion? The real reasons are always materialistic, the excuse is religion.
My favourite quote: If you can convince a man of absurdities, you can drive him to commit atrocities.
harryfmk 2 years ago
@ChristianMission Not only is there tons of distorted fact in here, but a logical impossibility. If one can't have faith in the senses, then judging by them in order to sense the bible would then invariably be false. If you are saying you do not have faith in senses, then how can you trust anything. You might as well give up right now, because according you your logic nothing can be taken seriously. By the way, WW1 and 2-politics, the mass killing of jews was because of their RELIGION.
UncomfortableSilence 2 years ago
@ChristianMission lol no atheist says all disasters are religions fault and of coarse without religion youl have crimes yet we know by the numbers in studies they would DRASTICLY lower
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@ChristianMission Atheist's Faith? That's an oxymoron. We don't --have-- faith. That's the point. Oh, and most of us only get upset when faiths cause disasters-- You know, like 9/11 or the Crusades.
tigergirl718 2 years ago
last one WAS great using thats as my headline
rottedflesh 2 years ago
Matter or God?
Take your choice!
Some people regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does not help at all cure your delusions!
1tabligh 2 years ago
Good selection
mstk1 2 years ago
last one was great ;)
CrazyWoWGamer 2 years ago
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nurf555 2 years ago
What time has been wasted during man's destiny in the struggle to decide what man's next world will be like! The keener the effort to find out, the less he knew about the present one he lived in.
-- Sean O'Casey
onlineinfo101 2 years ago 2
One thing doesn't gain truth as it gains followers.
TheFightingEgg 2 years ago
tell that to jesus
DRExredsox23 2 years ago
I can't tell that to jesus. Because he was a regular human being if now he however existed back in time and is now dead, will never get conscienceness and therefor unable to exchange words with.
TheFightingEgg 2 years ago 3
I meant to tell that to someone else. Im all with you bro
DRExredsox23 2 years ago
Ok, my bad.
TheFightingEgg 2 years ago
no, he's too busy microwaving burritos he cant eat
sith00 2 years ago
If we are all made on image of the god then we should be all carbon based beings
kaillena16 2 years ago
Why god created the vegetables first and then the sun???.
and why there's two creations in the bible???.
MtBridege 2 years ago
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THE "GOD" ...in .ALL WAYS EXISTS ..was ALWAYS ALIVE and PRESENT .....If GOD ever had a DEATH moment ..then the universe and LIFE HERE would have NEVER Started ! ! ! ! THE process is a CONTINUUM and was/is like a burning torch that was always LIT ....PASSING the flame of LIFE ..to Us ....
mandolinjoe 2 years ago
Are you crazy?
soccerfreak1213 2 years ago
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I found a long time ago that nothing ( except the PHILOSOPHY and SACRIFICE ..that a MAN (JESHUA/JESUS) ...SUFFERED and died for me and LIVES ON n my HEART and SOUL forever ....ON ...I can NEVER THANK ..HIm enough !!!! THis world is can be a better PLACE by FAITH and ACTING upon Good works..
mandolinjoe 2 years ago
who created god?
MtBridege 2 years ago 3
I didn't.
TheLTTEbuster 2 years ago
But i DID!
soccerfreak1213 2 years ago
The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful, and has nobody to thank.--Dante Gabriel Rossetti
I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.--Abraham Lincoln
I hope for the day when everyone can speak again of God without embarrassment. --Paul Tillich
Dhalsim06 2 years ago
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Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. -- Heywood Broun
It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights against something which he does not at all believe exists. --Mohandas Gandhi
Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God. -- Tom Stoppard
You think you are too intelligent to believe in God. I am not like you. --Napoleon Bonaparte
Dhalsim06 2 years ago
Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. -- Heywood Broun
It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights against something which he does not at all believe exists. --Mohandas Gandhi
Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God. -- Tom Stoppard
You think you are too intelligent to believe in God. I am not like you. --Napoleon Bonaparte
Dhalsim06 2 years ago
A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion. - Sir Francis Bacon 1614
Atheism is a disease of the soul, before it becomes an error of the understanding - Plato 356 BC
Selfishness is the only real atheism; aspiration, unselfishness, the only real religion.
Franklin D. Roosevelt 1935
Dhalsim06 2 years ago
"Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors."
- Isaac Newton 1850
"The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who - in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses' - cannot hear the music of the spheres."
- Albert Einstein 1941
Dhalsim06 2 years ago
I think stephen hawkings quote has to do with albert einstein quote "God doesn't play dices" in the sense that everything is 100% predicteble if we know all the laws of universe... modern physics show us the opposite... everything have a certain probability of happening.
romerojromero 2 years ago
No, that's quantum physics, even then, that isn't necessarily true.
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rdnxl 2 years ago
If we are all made in god's image then why aren't you invisible?
hpufo 2 years ago
hahaha...well, for one it would depend on what your god looks like. And there's a theory that nothing exists until you look at it, so maybe everyone is invisible until someone else realizes they exist.
kaltes69 2 years ago
ok so what bad has satan ever done? HES not even near the cruelty of "god" in the bible. And i mean GOD is way beyond satan in being cruel and evil.
tuoljg 3 years ago
Did you know that GOD scored more kills than satan in the bible?
hpufo 2 years ago 4
if you were asking me, yes obviusly since thats clearly stated in my comments who has the devil ever killed? God goes on a godlike killing spree killing the entire earth, killing all newborns, killing people just for the sin of complaining, killing people just to make a point, the list goes on so the devil has no chance to even compete with god.
tuoljg 2 years ago
If you are are talking about God's punishments in the bible, then you have a problem . If you think that punishing evil people is cruel then the you have a problem not us believers. What would you think of a God you Leaves murder injustice , spouse infidelity and rape without punishment. I wouldn't worship such a God.
rafikgl 2 years ago
It says very clearly in the bible as long as you repent and forgive your sins you will go to heaven. A murderer could easy do that, a rapist aswell. Since jesus payed for all of our sins , and no im not a beliver, just heard that from other believers. So you do belivie in a god who does that. Also god kills millions of innocent people aswell, an example would be he killed every first born son in the entire egypt according to the bible. Guess power really drives you crazy eh.
tuoljg 2 years ago
so , now you are blaming God for being merciful to those who repent.
No man is innocent , we all sinned and deserve punishment.
Also, God punishes people like idol worshipers only after they prove they are hopeless cases . there were 9 milder punishments before that & Moses warned them to stop enslaving Israel and Egyptians didn't repent . Do you ask God not to punish enslavers.
Anti-theism never make sense, Does it !
rafikgl 2 years ago
if you believe in magic talking snakes, people being made from dirt, women being made from ribs, and the earth being 6000 years old. then it is you with the severe problem.
ikyll 2 years ago 27
This makes much more sense than men and women evolving from dirt without a maker.
rafikgl 2 years ago
only idiots refute fact like how you just did. just give up, you're embarrassing the hell out of yourself.
ikyll 2 years ago
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what fact did I refute . Men evolved from amoeba that evolved from dirt is not a fact . It is a ridiculous hypothesis.
rafikgl 2 years ago
that's the point. you didn't refute anything. you oversimplify the theory and try to make it seem like your made for dumb fucks theory is slightly possible.
ikyll 2 years ago
It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Carl Sagan
htomsirveaux42 2 years ago
lol get your facts right before you say that stuff, you're making me laugh at your stupid comment.....people didn't evolve from dirt without a maker, noone said that ROFL...what a retard.....but then again ,we're talking to a christain
pkidro 2 years ago