Jasser Vs. Ellison (Part 6 of 9)- AIFD Congressional Briefing on the Hill- October 1, 2009

[Wouldman2]

Ahhhh,the Free-Speech issue for Islamophobia. So if people wanted to speak about bring back Slavery the people like Ellison would have to make a choice for which speech because islam would create Dhimmi's and force Christians and Jew in the West to pay the Head-Tax. What's ironic is in Canada we have a Socialist M.P. on side with the Islamists as the Anti-USA friend,but this Asian M.P. ran on promising Chinese redress for a Head-Tax under British rule over 100 year ago. Olivia Chow is on record.

[lashkaretoiba]

In the future if you really want to talk about this come over to the jihadwatch form.

[PuffDaddy786]

I don't go to extremist republican forums

I only hang around youtube to expose ring-wing idiots the ones who watch 700 club

[lashkaretoiba]

There is more atheist than whatever you consider republican there. Even ex-muslims. The invent is there if you want it.

[lashkaretoiba]

Edit out: "Yourself."

[PuffDaddy786]

money's = monkey's

[PuffDaddy786]

Give me a simple answer

If america was not a strong country as it today and you had a chinese military occupying America and you had Chinese aircraft carriers in the gulf of Mexico, do you think patriotic americans would start a violent campaign against the chinese occupation ?

Remember when george washington was trying to free america from british rule, george washington too in those days was regarded as an outlaw and a terro-rist of those days by british authorities.

[lashkaretoiba]

You're question is dumb and miss leading. We came to liberate not occupy anyone. All soldiers will be out of Iraq by 2011.

Those muslims are not freedom fighters they are pan-islamist that want to enforce sharia law on others. They want to impose on people a Caliphate. They aren't liberating they are enslaving.

The fact you can't stand against them is exactly why Muslims who follow islam can't be trusted.

[PuffDaddy786]

you invaded iraq to "liberate" them, like how USSR invaded afgha-nistan to "liberate" that country.

all invaders say they are out to liberate the invaded country. Kind of like how whites invaded africa to liberate black people from ignorance and barbarity and to civilize blacks.

Before the illegal invasion of Iraq there were no pan-islamists in Iraq out to impose a caliphate.

what about vietcong in vietnam who were fighting USA ? were they out to establish buddhist-style caliphate ?

[lashkaretoiba]

American is not the USSR. Our policy was liberation that was not the USSR policy. We really were there to liberate them. Believe it or not. Us leaving by 2011 proves it. Nothing was more barbaric and ignorant than Saddam.

Bullshit, al zawahiri's letter to al zarqawi talked all about their plan to set-up a caliphate. Then spread accross the middleast once Iraq was won.

They Communists fighters. No, they were out to establish communism.

[PuffDaddy786]

well according to the USSR, they were the good guys, and were out to "liberate" afgh-anistan.

According to the chinese government, the chinese "liberated" tibet to free tibetans from the feudal backward medevil rule of dalai lama.

According to winston churchill, british invasion of africa was actually an attempt to "liberate" africa from backwardness and darkness and for the whites to civilize blacks.

I am just a neutral observer, I don't support any side in the current wars

[lashkaretoiba]

LMAO@ neutral observer. what poppycock.

I don't see how you make the logical leap from USSR to Chinese to Britian as if America follows their policies. Especially, when America is leaving. You have to look at each event by themselves not take leaps in logic such as because A. did this that means that B. is doing this now. It's a guilt by association fallacy.

[PuffDaddy786]

saddam was supported by the US government in the 1980's. There are famous pictures of Donald Rumsfeld meeting his buddy Saddam many times.

[lashkaretoiba]

"guarantee"

[lashkaretoiba]

"Accept"

[naziabibi]

Zuhdi is more dangerous than wahabis. Atleast . Wahabis are honest and tell you right on face what real islam is , a violent cult.. Zuhdi is wishfully thinking and preaching that it is a religion of peace.

[lashkaretoiba]

Zuhdi is the best shot you got at reforming islam. So you might want to rethink your statement here.

I like Robert Spencer, but Spencer has no reformation ideas for Islam, he just teaches the truth about islam. Wahabis are much more dangerous than Zuhdi. You might want to rethink that as well.

[PuffDaddy786]

hinduism needs to be reformed cause it is a racist cult that believes in 3 million Gods. hinduism promotes caste system in which lower caste people are treated like garbage. Hinduism doesn't belong in 21 century, the days of paganism are long gone and hinduism should also be history

[lashkaretoiba]

Your religion whether you agree with this or not is about Arab muslims over other races of Muslims. This is a fact in Islamic countries. Hinduism nor Islam belongs in the 21 century, but for now it is the MUSLIMS fighting a global war not Hinduis. Muslims then Hinduism.

[PuffDaddy786]

Jasser is a joker and he has no credibility amoung most American Muslims. His only real friends are at fox news channel and other right-wing republican groups.

Jasser is no different then blacks who support the kkk.

[redcollargedeon]

Zuhdi Jasser is one of my many Muslim heros.

We will stand against you on any battlefield.

And we are free.

[PuffDaddy786]

Zuhdi Jasser is your favorite Muslim hero because YOU are not a Muslim. Nazis also had their favorite Jewish Heros who sided with Nazis

I am on the other hand a Muslim and being part of Muslim community I can tell you that Zuhdi has very very few supporters amoung Muslims.

Most of Zuhdi's supporters are right-wing white christians, the same people who accuse Obama of being a secret Black Muslim Socialist and claim he was born in Kenya.

Zhudi is an uncle Tom, whites love uncle toms

[redcollargedeon]

And I'm a Catholic zionist.

What's your point?

[lashkaretoiba]

He's trying to call you a racist who agrees with an uncle tom. This way he can shut the argument down or any praise down before it begins. It's how dumb people argue.

[lashkaretoiba]

Can't dissect his argument so you have to make him into a uncle-tom.

Fact is, compared to Ellison, Jasser is a decent human being who cares about America, Muslims, and everyones human rights.

He is acknowledging instead of denying the truth about Islam. Islam has a problem and need to be reformed.

Open your eyes.

[redcollargedeon]

lashkaretoiba: I'm right there with you.

Irshad Manji is a canadian author who wants reform in Islam.

...and she gets no support from any canadian women's groups.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is in mortal danger from leaving Islam and speaking out against Islam.

...and she gets no support from women's groups.

Reform is necessary but it's hard to do. And it has to be done my Muslims.

[lashkaretoiba]

You have to watch out for Dalia Mogahed. She is a shill who supports sharia law oppression on Muslism women. She works for Obama.

[PuffDaddy786]

Irshad manji is a lesbian and automatically an outcaste and average muslim will laught at a canadian lesbian talking about "reform" in Islam.

Hirsi Ali is an athiest, whose own father doesn't talk to her.

Imagine gays and athiests out to "reform" catholic religion and see how many people will take them seriously.

So the best the neocon white imperialists can come up with to corrupt Islam are sodomities and athiests.

[redcollargedeon]

PuffDaddy, you just hate everybody, don't you?

You're ridiculous. Who cares who Irshad Manji sleeps with. She's right.

Who cares if Hirsi Ali is an atheist, she's seen the abuse against women firsthand. Here sister died, man.

Being a Neocon is not a bad thing, contrary to what you may think.

Either we're all free, or nobody is free. That's the detail you fail to understand.

Or you just don't want to be free. Then I pity you.

[PuffDaddy786]

I don't hate anybody. My friends are white, black, latin, asians etc.

I don't care what Irshad Manji does in her personal life, but when she tells me I must change my religion, I laugh and tell manji to take a hike.

I want to be free. I want my muslim people to be free from white christian occupation and bullying.

In palestine they had FREE DEMOCRATIC elections in which ha-mas won, but western countries up sanctions and blockade.

free doesn't mean pro-western

[redcollargedeon]

YOU DON'T HATE ANYBODY? Bullshit. Prove it.

I dare you to prove it. I DOUBLE DARE YOU, you liar.

What's wrong with lesbians? What's wrong with atheists?

You're a joke. Get some sleep, take your pills.

You're not fooling anyone.

[PuffDaddy786]

sure I don't think lesbian or gay behavior is normal, I think its immoral, and I have the right to believe what ever I believe.

but I don't illtreat people who are gay and I don't bother them as long as they don't bother me. But when they try to "reform" my religion or culture, then I tell them to take a hike. a gay "reforming" religion, is like a prostitute preaching morality.

as far as athiests, I don't hate them, I don't illtreat them. I think they are wrong, but I don't bother them

[redcollargedeon]

NO. You failed. We already know you hate them. You said so earlier.

Stop fronting. We know who you are, we know what you're saying.

Stop typing. It's all lies.

Just stop. The light is on you now.  We know who you are.

You hate lesbians and atheists. We know this already. Stop lying.

[PuffDaddy786]

"I don't hate anybody. My friends are white, black, latin, asians etc"

I was NOT talking about gays or athiests when I said that statement. I was talking about racial groups. I was sayng I don't hate whites or blacks, latins, asians, blah blah blah.

as I said I think athiests are wrong but I dont "hate" them or ill treat them.

[peterpedant]

Some excellent comments here. in particular lashkaretoiba's. Jasser is truly an inspiration and a decent human being with good intentions but he has the unenviable task of trying to convince 1.5 Billion Muslims worldwide that the Immutable words of Allah can be changed/interfered with or ignored altogether.

[PuffDaddy786]

only white americans have a problem and they need to reform themselves. they need to end their slave owner mentality and the racial superiority mentality.

white people need to understand they can not play 'cowboy and indian" games with Muslims, because Muslims will fight back.

we Muslims were bullied by white british colonial thugs and if america acts like the british then it will also be treated like the british.

we muslims will not tolerate american military bases in middle east!!!

[redcollargedeon]

In that case, you're racist.

Skin tone is irrelevant. Religion, basically, is irrelevant.

Your goals are relevant. You hate us all? Fine. I hate you back.

But generalisations are pointless.

[lashkaretoiba]

1.) Actually it is Muslims that have the slave owner mentality and racial superiority mentality. You think all arabs are above all other races, and that all other religions are below Islam.

2.) Muslims have been colonializing people for 1400 years long before the English colonialized anyone. You even worked with hitler in ww2.

3.) We will not tolerate your intolerance or your religious law on our lands.

[PuffDaddy786]

1) Muslims don't have racial superiority mentality, Muslims is NOT a racial group. One of the first muslims in world was a Black man named bilal. Muslims don't think arabs are suprior, I am not even an arab. but yes we do think our religion is the truth, but don't all religions say that ?

2) Muslims haven't colonized any land, they are the natives who converted to Islam. I am a Pakistani, we didn't colonize pakistan, we are the natives

3) we won't tolerate western armies on our land

[lashkaretoiba]

1.) If you don't think that then you are not following islam. Arab Muslims still enslave blacks to this very day. The difference is you are told to conquer the other religions, slaughter them, or subdue them and make dhimmis out of them. That is what your religion thinks about the people of the book.

[lashkaretoiba]

2.) Lie. Muslims colonized Africa, Asia, and parts of Eroupe. Actually the indian Buddhists and hindus were the natives until Islam came. The Ottoman empire was called a empire for a reason.

3.) I'll say it again, We will not tolerate your intolerance or your religious law on our lands.

[PuffDaddy786]

2) ONLY 20% muslims are arab. Most muslims are natives who converted to Islam.

3) more then 95% of Muslims do NOT want to impose any muslim religious law on non-muslims in non-muslim lands. It would be idiotic for us to to tell non-muslims to follow muslim religious laws, just as much as it was idiotic for extremist christians to force keith ellision to use the bible to take his outh of office. we respect the local laws of western countries. we don't want to impose our religion on you

[lashkaretoiba]

2,) That still doesn't change what islam actually is. I don't believe all muslims are literalist or that they all follow their book to the tee. The problem is if they do, Bin laden is what you get.

3.) I don't no where you got that figure, I don't trust it, and it's irrelevent. Because the fact of the matter is their are millions of muslims that do want to impose their religious law on us. The problem is as the muslim population grows in other countries so does the cry for Sharia law.

[lashkaretoiba]

In the UK muslims are crying for sharia law. I won't take that chance. thus, why I said we will not tolerate your intolerance or your religious law on our lands.

[PuffDaddy786]

UK muslims in general do not want sharia in all of UK. the idiots you see on TV wanting to impose sharia on all of UK, are an extreme fringe element and most muslims don't share their views.

But we will fight for our civil rights and freedom to practice our religion in western countries freely. and we will use the ACLU or CAIR to make sure right-wing republican nuts don't stop our religious freedoms and at the same time we respect the local laws of western countries

[lashkaretoiba]

1.) but they have imposed it.

2.) I will fight to stop any muslim that trys to imposing sharia law here. CAIR is crooked. You may want to read the new book Muslim Mafia.

[PuffDaddy786]

1) there is no sharia in UK, unless you believe in the 700 club.

2) sure go ahead try to stop any body that tries to impose sharia on you. I also don't want to impose sharia on non-muslims. but if I want to live my life according to sharia in my personal life, then I should have the freedom to do so. just like if a jew wants to live his life according to jewish law should have the right to do so.

[PuffDaddy786]

2) laden is a product of war.  I am sure if there was a chinese army occupying alabama, then the NRA right-wing nuts would start a violent campaign against chinese

3) yes there is demand to have sharia in muslim countries by some muslims.

However, There are almost NO mainstream muslim groups that want to impose sharia in western countries. Some right-wing republican hate mongers are scaring people about some imaginary secret "muslim campaign to take over america and impose sharia".

[lashkaretoiba]

Laden is a product of islam. Look you even agree with bin laden's propaganda. people who follow Islam are not to be trusted.

Sharia law is the law of the land is muslim countries. You name call

but that is all you can do. The muslim groups in this country are not to be trusted due to the Muslim-brotherhood document. Which advised mainstream muslim groups to do it by stealth.

[PuffDaddy786]

Muhammad Yunus the noble peace prize winner for 2006 for helping poor people is also a product of islam

sharia law is NOT followed in most muslim countries, and even in countries it is followed it differs depending on the country and local culture.

Turkey, indonesia, syria, lebanon, dubai and so on don't have sharia law.

I am an educated person, I know history and I know about different cultures. I make my own opinions and my opinions are not influenced by any propaganda.

[lashkaretoiba]

1.) Like I said: Some muslims follow islam to the tee other Muslims don't. However, The nobel prize is a joke. They gave it to Yasser arafat.

2.) Turkey is protesting for Sharia law. indonesia is in favor of sharia law. Dubai is a mixture of sharia law, civil and criminal law. In lebanon Sharia law exists over personal status matters. Syria is ruled Baathism. Sharia law is like the camel's nose under the tent once implamented.

[PuffDaddy786]

they also gave nobel prize to israeli war criminals like rabin

[lashkaretoiba]

I wasn't aware protecting yourself country from medievil muslims was a war-crime.

[PuffDaddy786]

1) you are one of those right-wing idiots who think obama was born in Kenya. you don't know what you are talking about. slavery doesn't exist almost anywhere in the world.

Islam doesn't advocate conquering any religion by violence. Islam believes it is the truth and we advocate its spread only through peaceful means. that is how many blacks in america are becoming muslim to free themselves from christianity, which was forced on them by the slave owners

[lashkaretoiba]

No I don't think that about obama.

1.) Slavery exists in muslims countries today. Yes, Islam does advocate conquering other religions by violence and subjugation. Islam was never spread peacefully. They threatened others to except islam or else. Christianity is not suppose to be forced on anyone so if it was then they weren't following it. Quite different from islam.

[PuffDaddy786]

1) give me a credible news source about slavery today in muslim countries. coming up with nonsense is very easy for you. Slavery is almost non-existent in the world today.

The biggest Muslim country in the world is Indonesia which is 5000 miles away from arabia. There were no arab or any other muslim armies in indonesia. Most indonesians became muslims by missionary work.

Christianity was forced on blacks by slave owners and on native americans by the white settlers.

[lashkaretoiba]

1.) Muslim Countries lead in Trafficking and Slavery - Atlas Shrugs. Google it. Your point about indonesia is not a point at all. There was a different religious and non-religious people ruling there before muslims came long. Like I said Islam is all about arab superiority, it's also about religious superiority. Doesn't matter if the muslims there were arab or not.

Christianity is not suppose to be forced on anyone so if it was then they weren't following it. Quite different from islam.

[PuffDaddy786]

atlas shrugs is not a credible news source. I told you to give me a credible news source like BBC CNN, New york times.

Pat robertson's 700 club, atlas shrugs and other right-wing activist websites are not credible news sources

[lashkaretoiba]

That's just the blog the credible news sources is on.

LMAO@ BBC, CNN, NEW YORK TIMES.

Ad hom attack to escape the evidence.

[lashkaretoiba]

1.) Actually it was imposed on the UK.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Article: The U. K. government has officially recognized sharia law and civil tribunals in Britain.(United Kingdom)

2.) The problem is if you follow sharia law in your personal life their is no garantee. Like I said the other religions are different from Islam.

[PuffDaddy786]

1) there is NO sharia law in all of UK. Sharia law is allowed in UK only for Muslims who want to follow it, just like jewish rabbanic law is allowed for orthdox jews.  Sharia law is not imposed on general population in UK, unless you believe in the 700 club

[lashkaretoiba]

It shouldn't be imposed at all. Jewish law is different from islamic law. I didn't say it was imposed on the general poplution. But it has been imposed which you denied. which makes you dishonest. Sharia law is like the camel's nose under the tent once implamented.

[PuffDaddy786]

sharia law is allowed in UK for muslims who chose to follow it. it isn't imposed/forced on anyone.

sharia law is like camel's nose under the tent or money's ass in the forest, it doesn't matter. we are not forcing it on you or any other non-muslim

[lashkaretoiba]

You did enforce on the UK, other wise it wouldn't exist. There are others who want to take it even further in the UK. In general terms. You haven't accomplished it yet, but like I said the camel's nose is under the tent.

[redcollargedeon]

Search for: CIA Factbook Saudi Arabia (trafficing in persons)

I'm sure you'll find that interesting.

[PuffDaddy786]

human trafficking doesnt equal to slavery. There are many foreigners in america that are brought there against their will to work in the sex industry.

Saudi arabian laws are against slavery and human trafficking just like american laws are, but if a person is kidnapped secretly and forced to work as a prostitute then that is another story and you can not blame the whole country for it.

Slavery is illegal in all countries, including saudi arabia