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  • What do you mean the universe can not be created in six days? God can do anything.

    On the day when apparently God created the sun after the morning and evening, it does not say that he created them on that day, but it is stating that God created them. So we dont fall into idolatry.

  • and everything zakir naik said is debatable.. pillar.. when it is from Quran he goes for signs and deep and different meaning but in bible when mentioned pillar he is talking about the normal one meaning pillar... :).. lol drji.. i think ur much better person to tell many meaning of the single word.. :).. ... but i love the way he speaks...

  • i respect dr. naik, but you missed here.... lol.. now when god created day and night and earth is it mentioned it was rotating, the plants was facing the sunglight... so it was growing.. and when he completed all he pressed the button and everthing defined started working.. obviously god was outside the earth creating it.. that means the earth is moving, so can he work when the thing is moving... lol... logic is mother of all discussion... :)...

  • lolllllllllll mashallah...william :((

    

  • hey zakir naik, if basically most scientific facts are found in the quran, is the theory of evolution in there as well?

  • @jamaicanification Repeat that: "is the THEORY" of evolution.." It's a theory brother. Just like the ancient theory about how the earth is flat or how an elephant holds up the earth.

  • @Melbourne619 just like how the big bang and gravity are just theories too? So if they were proven to be wrong then the quran would be wrong as well right? Cause the quran has all these preconceived scientific facts in it?

  • @jamaicanification did u mean human body evolve from monkey to human no its not in quran and quran dosent believe in human evolve from monkey ,what evolution did u mean exactly.

  • @3noudy the evolution that says that all living beings have a common ancestor(including humans). By the way, evolution does not say that humans evolved from monkeys. Thats a caricature of what it is. It says that apes are the closet relatives to human beings(DNA being 98% similar)

  • @jamaicanification so basicly if u are jew christian or muslim these three religion belive that mankind wasnt evolve from an ape or anythings ells .

  • @3noudy well im a christian and i accept evolution. And there are many jews that accept evolution as well

  • @ItsKnucklez Prophet Mohammed pbuh was illiterate so how could he write the Quran? Stop being DEAF, DUMB & BLIND. Dr William Campbell was destroyed in this debate seen by millions so why are you following him like some sheep?

  • @iftyshifty The prophet Muhammad not right the QUran, Quran is words from ALLAH but to remember it and tell the other to remember and believe it.. After Prophet Muhammad wafat/pass away the 3rd Khalifah USmani(Closed to Prophet) gather all Closed brothers/Sahabat to right it down created a HOly Book QUran..

  • @iftyshifty Prophet Muhammad was not blind and dumb, he just cannot read and right.. just hearing from Angle JIbrail said to him to remember/understand and believe it..

  • @ItsKnucklez prove it to me,,

    in mars also have wind dude..

  • @ItsKnucklez dont be boastful my dear,,

    how human can breath in a desert?? there not have much plant right?prove it,science.i want detail about it

  • @uncleady1 god want us to find Him..He will not give everything to us..if He do so,better u live in heaven without think everything,,if He give everything,science will not exist..god know everything,so show your god know everything dude,,,or shut up and do ur own research about religion without disturb anybody,,ok

  • Ok, the bit where he says God created light first and then again on the forth day crated another "light", because God Himself can not exist within darkness. He himself is the light of this world. On the 14th verse of Genesis that the guy was on about, There is a differentiation between the light you see during the day i.e. from the sun and the one you see at light i.e. from moon, stars etc. You can not also mix what scientist in the modern world say with things in the past. they were not ther

  • Ok, the bit where he says God created light first and then again on the forth day crated another "light", because God Himself can not exist within darkness. He himself is the light of this world. On the 14th verse of Genesis that the guy was on about, There is a differentiation between the light you see during the day i.e. from the sun and the one you see at light i.e. from moon, stars etc. 

  • No need TO FIGHT XDREMDS....I gave u even better PROVE ITZKNUCLZ...

  • @itsknuclez....IN QURAN CHAPTER 36 VERSE 38....ALLAH SAID!!!

    وَالشَّمسُ تَجرى لِمُستَقَرٍّ لَها ۚ ذٰلِكَ تَقديرُ العَزيزِ العَليمِ

    English-MuhsinKhan translation

    ______________________________

    And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All- Mighty, the All-Knowing.

  • @ItsKnucklez prove it

  • @ItsKnucklez Quran 21:33 Muhsin Khan Translation:

    And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.

  • @ItsKnucklez come find me after u've dont ur homework properly, i dont have time to educate you, so take ur time and educate yourself.

    You did not believe even when you could not answer how the Quran stated the sun had it's own orbit, but instead u were thinking about how God used space? and ur teeth that doesnt fit in ur skull? and now the sun setting in murky water creating reflection?

    u're just a disgraceful being, having zero knowledge acting smart.

  • @ItsKnucklez it was talking about the murky water creating a reflection of the sun which made it look like the sun was setting in the water.

    it's amazing when u cant answer how it was revealed to us 1400 years ago that the sun has it's own orbit. but u're asking stupid questions that u lack knowledge of.

    i would've called you a skeptic, but u just proved urself lacking of knowledge and a pure idiot.

  • @ItsKnucklez See? u can throw away ur quantum whatever, when scientific facts was revealed to us by Allah in such simple explanations before you even knew about it. And it proved some of your scientific theories wrong. Like when science said the "sun is stationary".

    Science does not define Allah, but Allah defines what is scientific or unscientific. The more you understand, the more you prove the existence of Allah.

  • @ItsKnucklez i hate to do this: creating unnecessary arguments and doubts among people. because it's what people like you do to derail people.

    Anyway, see how you're missing the point? You were wondering about how this universe didn't make sense to you, but you never wondered why u breathe in the 1st place. instead u were explaining what breathing is for.

    Allah knows best. and we can only try to know.

  • @ItsKnucklez if you could see, you wont be saying all those. here's a question for you:

    Why do you breathe?

    then wonder about how ur teeth gonna fit in ur skull. good luck.

  • @ItsKnucklez you're one of the dumbest i've seen so far, go to school

  • LONG LIVE DR. ZAKIR NAIK.

  • Omg soooooo many mistakes in the bible i can't believe how people can't understand the truth!

  • "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." Genesis chapter 1:29 The god of the bible did not know about the poisonous plants LOL

  • @FreedomFighterReturn Allhu akbar. They will never believe. My brother i must correct you. it is not the Jews entirely that fight us, but the Zionist are the enemies. There are Jews protesting in the streets and speaking for the acts commited against Islam and Palestine. more than Many Muslims are doing. wich is, when you think about it, simply shameful. Salam Alykum.

  • Anyone who wants to see all these questions answered search youtube for "james white zakir naik"

  • How can you not convert to Islam after this?

  • Cambell GOT PWNED!!!

    LOL, dumb,deaf and blind and the camera focuses on Cambell!

  • Subhanallah!!!! May Allah subhana wa ta'ala reward you for sharing this knowledge with us and keep you on the right path inshallah. Salam!

  • Subhanallah!!!! May Allah subhana was ta'ala reward you for sharing this knowledge with us and keep you on the right path inshallah. Salam!

  • its strange why i dont see alot of abusive remarks made by non muslims here compared to some other youtube channels. =)

  • does anyone knoww where i could get Dr.Zakir's books or Cd's

    I wish all muslims were like him .

  • @soosmanfookh go to w w w . p e a c e t v . c o m(if u want to watch zakir naik on your tv) or go to w w w . i r f . n e t (that is his own website of his foundation you can get videos there i think :-) )

  • @soosmanfookh Why, are you on a Muslim?

  • 0:15 william campbell ---> ooooh boy why did i agreed to debate him my carriere is over he made me look like a total christian dumbass

    hahaha thumbs up if you noticed it to :D

  • MashAllah such a great orator he is.Agree with it or not but Dr Zakir has got a lot of knowledge and proves everything logically quoting from Quran and Hadees.May Allah bless him

  • all those who still dont understand the truth:

    they're deaf, they're dumb, they're blind

    they cant hear the truth

    they cant speak the truth

    they cant see the truth

  • i love the way he yells "BUT". and mashallah he is very intelligent. I am a muslim and a muslim has to respect another person religion, you're not supposed to believe it counting that you're a muslim but you have to respect it. Allahu Akbar.

  • He is brilliant. I can't disagree with anything.

    He should get a good tailor though - that suit does not fit.

  • Ohhh plz stop n praise what's true which u don't! Ok malcolm x thanks

  • Sahih bukhari: Volume 5, Book 59, Number 637:

    Narrated Buraida:

    The Prophet sent 'Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and 'Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus."

  • there is only one truth: Islam

  • We, Asians, are expert in selling vacuum cleaners to the world.

    we sold the vacuum cleaner of judaism and chrisianity to the world.

    we sold the vacuum cleaner of islam to the world

    we sold the vacuum cleaner of Hinduism, sikhism and budhism to the world.

    ever wondered why no prophet or bhagwan was ever born in England, Poland, Holland, new Zealand, Australia or brazil.

    we specialize in creating and selling the vacuum cleaners in the name of religion.

  • Did any one notice that the DR has an excellent memory

  • After reading the comment i can see that some are abusing Mohammad (S) rather then answering that how come Quran speaks about science correctly. Actually this are the people Allah has described as "the deaf,the dump,the blind, they will never return to true path " (Quran-Surah:Al Baqrah, Ch:2 V:18).......

    And these are the people we Muslim will see burning in hell fire, so do whatever you can, you brainwashed Non-Muslim, brainwashed by the Satan itself...

  • Dats a frustrated Christian speaking

  • @Kaden420able And you prayed to a kid, then molested and fucked him and killed him and dumped his body in a lake.

  • @Kaden420able if you are christian then all you are doing is swearing at your own god. islam and christianity are very similar in religion the only difference is that you believe jesus is son of god and we dont

  • ur moms a hooker

  • yeah only dumb accept, as we dont have knowledge to create things out of noting, even we read thousands of book, or even copy the creations such as small as an ant

    so we consider as dumb

    and even dumber also accept this

    and even the dumbest

    only those donkeys reject it

    make noise all day long but no point at all

  • i love this man mashallah on him

  • LOLOLOLOLOL... i love how everytime theres a christian/muslim debate... its a muslim slaughterfest... dr. zakir just bent campbell and his buddies backwords and told them to take it...I wonder why this is never played on network or cable tv... lololol

  • bring it to me yehudi ill translate it for you

  • Too many errors with the Bible, even if I want to believe what writen on it I just can't. You don't need to be too smart to figure out the truth it's clear that Quran is the one and the only book which is protected by Alah " God " not edited as the bible that's why Quran doesn't contains errors and you will know it when you die if you didn't believe now .

  • very true dude .....

  • @ClassicoVa but, if they r died(non-believers), its too late for them already. T_T, pity to them.

  • @ClassicoVa You say errors, I say things you don't understand without study!

  • @ClassicoVa

    So damn well said, it's so sad tht ppl today don't listen whn we say tht. But i feel it's moslty coz ppl think Islam=terrorism. But terrorism doesnt have a religion. I really hope more ppl convert to Islam, not for me and not coz i want Islam to be the biggest religion or anything but it's only for their own good. And as u said they will know it whn they die, but sadly tht will be to late.

  • For the last fool who emailed me.1 the Bible doesn't say whether the world is flat or not. #2 read Genesis 1:3.

  • Genesis does not refer to a 24 hour day... the word used in that passage is "Yom" it is Hebrew and it has 3 meanings... in the context in which it was used it means a period of time... not 24 hours... the morning and evening in Hebrew are to point out a beginning and and end of the period of time... notice day 7 does not have this... we are in day 7 now! God does not continue his creation miracles in this period of time. Human error is the error here not the words used

  • The 4th day does not say "created" anyone who says that is using a KJV bible which is a translation error not a prophetic error... the word used in Hebrew means "let it be shown" it does not say created but that in the 4th period of time after the "darkness above the waters" - dark cloud cover or atmospheric darkness.. was lifted the light shown up on the earth.. it does not say created... Quote the Hebrew if you intend to make this argument please

  • Dr. Zakir has misquoted Matt 13:13 and used it out of context to prove his point. Matt 13 speaks of prophecy, not science.

    "This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this peoples heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear..."

  • masha'Allah tabarakallah!

  • wats wronge with Bible .. filled with errors

  • he is the gem

  • may allah reward him for all his effects - i love his humble and logical approach

  • all praise is to allah evry1 has to return to there true religion every child born on the face of earth is a muslim and on the final day has to return to it

  • please visit islam Talks on facebook.... Lets talk Islam.

  • Yes, let us talk Islam..

  • wrong done by people doesn mean we have 2 blame the religion..which teaches us the opposite thing.take bout religion not ppl, ppl do alot of crazy things in life. dun judge the religion by the doings of ppl, if sum ppl r bad sum r great too.

  • so u blame a number of ppl who r doin wrong, thats much more common in the non muslim countries.ova here we tokin bout Islam and otha religions. 1st we need 2 talk bout that. n we kno its the only true religion.

  • but the bible has scientific errors, that proves ur religion is wrong =S and u sayin that Islam causes voilence. dear brother or sister.if u do unjustice 2 muslim ppl..eg Iraq and Palestine. enterin in their county n killin people , they have 2 fight 2 defend themselves! ur media portrays Muslim ppl wrong. if ISLAM was really wrong.20000ppl ppl in ameria wont convert 2 Islam every year! u judge a religion by the doings of ppl? wat will u say about Hitler then? plz understand!

  • Then you should change your nick killjack123 people, my brother, I am a Muslim but i shall say that Muslim tends to be violent other than the battlefield and i am not saying that it is in the Quran but emotions has overtaken their intellect.

  • This video cracks me up, as Dr Zakir Naik refers to the deaf, the dumb and the blind the camera closes in on William Campbells face at 0:05 seconds. The camera man was clearly having a laugh.

  • with respect to all who believe Dr. Naik, he say Islam is from root word Salaam, meaning peace, where is peace in beheadings? Jihad murders?Honor killings? from the looks of it Islam teaches perfection. pls ppl, no one on earth who is human will ever never be perfect, we all make mistakes,2 things the Holy bible teaches that the Holy Qu'ran doesnt teach is FORGIVENESS nd LOVE.

  • well with all respect to you, I ask where is the love and forgiveness in this quote from the bibleNumbers 31: 17-18

    17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

    18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

    I am genuinely asking. This is the same God of the new testament ordaining such acts and it doesn't sound very loving to me.

  • God wants Christians to do. i dont want to offed u. its just what i see on tv, mags, and here on youtube about muslims. which is not always true i know. ok,

  • yeah exactly. theres a lot of anti-muslim propaganda out there just as theres anti christian propaganda. keep an open mind and don't alway listen to what people say. listen to islamic scholars and hear for yourself. dr zakir naik is one of our major scholars and he does not advocate beheadings or honour killings. i would not associate hitler or the kkk with christians because i don't believe everything i hear. i wouldn't think all priests are pedophiles either. i suggest you do the same,

  • secondly Islam does not allow honour killings and the only place where beheading is allowed in Islam is capital punishment for a murderer. The only other place you will see violence in Islam is when muslims are attacked. otherwise we are told in Quran 60:8 to love all people are treat them with respect. Islam is all about love and forgiveness. Why don't you acknowedge how your fellow christian was destroyed by truth and logic in this debate rather than making things up about Islam.

  • the beheadings. hw come muslims behead that white american? he was just a truck driver being nosy though, but he wasnt attacking muslim. and yes i cannot speak for Christians around the world nd here in the U.S. b/c belive me we are not perfect, nd will never be, we suppose to forgive eachother and love, looking from the outside in i dont see that with murder from Islam.

  • i don't know why muslims behead the truck driver. it doesn't sound in line with islamic teachings at all, murder is murder. i can't speak for all muslims around the world either. islam has plenty of forgiveness. our prophet (pbuh) had a spear stuck in his face and a rock smashed his tooth and he still asked God to forgive those who did it, for they were in ignorance. he (pbuh) is our example, not osama bin laden or truck killers.

  • if thats the case, it also teaches you to believe the creation of the entire universe was done in 6 days, that the earth was flat, that crops grow without the sun...you want me to go on, or do you wanna carry on watching the video?

  • Your Power of Observations is Keen but I hope the camera man didnt intend to do that. We Muslim respect Other Deen (way of life or Religion)

  • At 0:14, Dr Campbell is feeling shamed after realising the truth and is considering becoming a muslim now he he

  • Dr Zakir Naik, May Allah shower all blessings upon you & us as well(Ameen)

  • William Cambell,Why are you humiliating you christanity?For God sake! Trust in Allah only.Its for sure,hell is ur home

  • Surah Baqarah Ch. 2, Verse 18 The deaf, the dumb, the blind, they will not return to the true path. The Bible says the same thing in Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 13, Verse No. 13 Seeing they see not, hearing they hear not, neither will they understand. SOME OF THEM ARE LIVING TESTIMONEY FOR THIS VERSES.MAY ALLAH BLESS ALL HUMEN BEINGS.

  • Allah akbar

  • Wahabies have a major ignorance in likening Allah to the creations.

    Wahabies claim that Allah is a body.

    Wahabies claim that Allah has a form and organs.

    Wahabies claim that Allah is a large body and and sits on the throne.

    They claim that Prophet Muhammad is a dead body, and does not benefit.

    They claim that traveling to visit his grave is a bad sin!!

    Nuthubillah, we seek refuge by Allah from such blasphemous beliefs.

    Allahu Min Wara' al-Qasd.

    Our intention is to obey Allah.

  • To me Its like you are worst of muslim, who with out any prove make acusation agianst his fellow muslim. you hate cause they bring the Truth with prove. and you worship grave,pakistan full of worshiping graves and astrology palm reader. Go have leacture on Islam by Dr bilal philips on googles video.Insha Allah all your false acusation will destroyed. GOD is not in any space or time, space & time came to exsist with creation.

  • i simple explain to nonmuslims if u have p1 computer and u update in p4 same like bible p1 and Quran unlimited update no one change even single word. i hope nonmuslims understand.

  • ALLAH-HU-AKBARRRRRRR

  • allaho akbar allaho akbar allah akbar allaho akbar  allaho akbar allah akbar

  • always go to the earliest source, as close in time and space to the original eyewitness account as possible.

    Then work your way forward in time to find any mistakes.

    Then compare that to what is in the present.

    Hasan, to debate futher is to continue to go in circles. And besides, you are getting frustrated and saying things I think was inappropriate. If you want to debate sometime, choose a fair moderator and we can. I've made the same offer to Mormons.

  • So you always go to the earliest source, as close in time and space to the original eyewitness account as possible.

    I am not going to study the Quran to find out what Moses or Jesus or Abraham were doing when I have earlier preserved documents that give more insight.

    Now, as far as corruption goes, we can analyze ALL of the variants you want. You are not going to find a Bible with a polytheistic religious slant in any of them.

  • 1 - continued - Your best post out of all of them. Now you can see how Christians feel when Muslims go about accusing us of "corrupt" scriptures with NO basis, NO justification. And how Muslim and Quran goes on and on describing intimate details of JEWISH prophets yet there is NO respect for the Jewish language.

    And you ask me to learn Arabic to analyze the Quran further. I may as well learn to throw a rock far enough so that it flies around the world and hits me on the back of my head.

  • 10

    please just answer my question, and regarding the answers I gave to your questions, just bring a friend whom u trust, well knowledgeable specially in debates and general sciences, and take his opinion for ur self, don't tell me what he will tell you, just for you so you know ur self.

  • 10 - I been there done that. There is no way you can just explain away all of Muhammad's errors with "arabic language". Even Muslim women don't go to the gynecologist for a pregancy exam and get told the Mohammedean version of a pregancy. It doesn't happen. Heck, that was in this debate.

  • 9

    When there is a core question about some religion, the answer should be clear and logical, when u asked me about the moon question, I gave you logical and lingual answers, but your majesty still didn't accept it and you assumed your self a language expert, while you know only one language, a simple one. A 500 old one and arguing about a language that you don't know and at least 1500 old.

  • 9 - You did not give me a logical answer, you did what you always do: You claim that Arabic lingusitic nuances can make a word mean something else. Just like a female cow is a male bull all of a sudden. And you know what? It doesn't matter, because as you try to "correct" me, you show yourself to be inconsistent. How often do "female cows" get called "male bulls" in Arabic?

    how often do prophets get called "father" in Arabic? "Father Muhammad"? no. "Father Omran". Omran wasn't even a prophet!

  • 8

    FOR THE NINTH TIME: YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT JESUS PAIN AND DEATH, WHILE HE IS A GOD AND CAN DISABLE THEM SO HIS TOURTURE AND DEATH MEANS NOTHING, THIS IS THE ONLY QUESTION AM ASKING YOU WHILE YOUR ARE SENDING ME TONES OF SILLY ACCUSATIONS TO COVER IT, u said it's simply his wish, well, this is what pagans answers when they are asked similar questions about their religions, but does it make them right?

  • I answered it and I answer again: Death is a physical death, pain is relating to the sin. God is not "a" God. You cannot compare his experiences to "other" gods. God is a unique being and his interaction with pain and phyiscal death is not something you can quantify.

    And as far as "his wish" goes. Gee, notice how God switched the bodies of Jesus with "someone else". Notice how God cretaed Jesus in the womb of mary but somehow someway is "not" Jesus father. You're the one being silly.

  • 7

    About the women issue, I think you watch allot of 700club, women in Islam are equal (but not matched), punishment for adultery is same for both genders, it's just the stupid traditions that dominates religion and even laws, again we are debating religion not the practices of it's followers, YOU KEEP GOING TO THAT DIRECTION, WHY???

    IF I WANT TO DO THE SAME I HAVE A BIG PACKAGE FOR YOU, YOU KNOW IT.

  • No i watch THESE debates. Naik was in another debate and the women were IN the balcony asking "will women be treated as equals in heaven". Naik goes "they will be treated better than equals in heaven".

    So why can't they be treated as equals NOW?

    The fact is in the Quran women are placed in a 2nd class status.

    And as far as your package goes, why don't you just go ahead and open it yourself.

  • 6

    This guy was answering a black guy's question in the video:

    [[ leopluridean (1 month ago) "Why is it that the white folks always have to save the Africans"?

    Because Africans are historically stu*** ]]

    How would you answer that guy?? If it was me I would give him the answer I gave you earlier and u didn't like

  • I am not white. Nor do I care about their point of view.

    The question I have is: Why has there not been a single Arab anyone in history that stood up for the equality and the abolition of slavery? How is that possible when you insist that Islam is a religion of peace, equality, and is more about freeing slaves than Christianity?

    Thats because it's not.

  • 5

    Again Islam made freeing slaves as a high virtue, and if you do a major sin, best way to do to ask God's forgiveness is to free slaves, not just pray.

    You talk about evolution and that crap, and saying civilizations enslaved black people because of "racism" is a naive thing to say, I have read once a comment under the movie "10000 BC" video number qoxOUHtJN6Q, page 8 of the comment for someone called: leopluridean

  • Islam made capturing slaves a virtue as well. That's MY point. You have to GAIN slaves before you can FREE them.

    The fact is Islam sanctioned slavery when all of this Islamic power they could have ended it. They exasperated it.

    I see more comments in the Quran about TAKING slaves and having sex with slaves than freeing them.

  • I don't think that is true. 1400 years ago slavery was so widespread, you couldn't not find a slave wherever you went. I don't think anybody had to go look for a slave to free it.Why even a little over 200 years ago, George Washington had slaves. My point is that slavery was a widespread phenomenon.

    Islam was sent to all times, so it had to take slavery into account. However, it also set a system in place that encourages freeing slaves. The expatiation of many sins require you to free a slave

  • Throughout Europe before the Catholic corruption of the 15th century, there was no slavery. Slavery was banned. It was only after the white supremacy racism of Europe that became so strong did slavery return. George Washington is not a saint, not an apostle, not a writer of the Bible. Slavery being widespread is one thing, but the pillars of chattel slavery, of ancestral bondage is wrong, period. And in Islam it is widespread. Slaves for no crime, no debt, no injustice. That's Islamic slavery

  • 4

    In Islamic history slaves where majorly not a kidnapped people like what you see in movies, slaves were mainly solders and their families whom they bring with so they fight to the most, those enslaved solders could be Persians, Romans, and even Arabs, those who didn't fight Moslems solders were safe, so slavery was a tax for fighting, by this am not saying there was no regular trade of slaves, am just talking about the most common thing.

  • NO, no no no... The Mamelukes, the Caucasians, the Ethiopians, the Algerian slave trade, all of this has nothing to do with a tax for fighting. Islam initiated the battles. Slave raides on villages were well known and common. Sexual slavery was widespread and not challenged by any Islamic QUranic position. That is my point. No where is the idea of chattel slavery made repugnant based on Islamic values.

  • 3

    Slavery: Islam (as a system not individuals) never been racist. Again it's the first religion in the world that equalizes all mankind; verse 49:13 is a very clear evidence of that. Actually read the hall Sora 49, it's good. Saying Islam targeted black salves is not just naive; it's very stupid, read history.

  • Islam is not the first religion that equalizes mankind. Judaism certainly did that. And Christianity.

    It is a well known fact that the Middle East Slave trade thrived on slaves off of the "Zanzibar" coast. Oh there: what a "coiencidence" Zanz-i-bar" and "Zanj rebellion".

  • 2

    The word "zenj=ziing" is Arabic not Persian, after Arabs conquered Persians they adopted Arabic language and toke majority of words but mixed it with their accent, that's why u have it Zang, 40% of words in English language are Arabic too. Arabic in Iraq is same as in Egypt, don't keep making false accusations. You r mixing between street language (accent) and official-casual language which is 100% same everywhere in Arabic world

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    I never had a debate like this, someone who pretend accusations and believes them, and then he imposes others to answer such false accusations.. Oh my God!!!!!!

    Look, regarding the Arabic language, if what u r saying is true, then I think you can learn Arabic in a very short time if its like English, I learned English little through the school but mainly through the radio, learn it and then come back to me, do it IF YOU CAN.. Then read the Quran, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE?

  • 1 - You said " someone who pretend accusations and believes them, and then he imposes others to answer such false accusations.. Oh my God!"

    Yes I know EXACTLY how you feel. Everytime Muslims do this VERY SAME THING TO CHRISTIANS, I understand exactly how you feel.

    How about you learn Hebrew and Greek and go BACK to the ORIGINAL writings and see if you can find all of that CORRUPTION. This whole thing is about CORRUPTION of EARLIER documents. So do YOU accept the challenge?

  • Find me one Muslim cleric, one Muslim leader that stood against slavery, and used the Quran to promote the emancipation of all slaves.

    I can name you many Christian leaders. John Brown, Harriet Tubman are two who stand out. They were Christians, they were intensly Christian and intensly opposed to slavery.

    this is my litmus test of "what religion is true".

  • Unlike Western societies which in their opposition to slavery spawned anti-slavery movements whose numbers and enthusiasm often grew out of church groups, no such grass-roots organizations ever developed in Muslim societies. In Muslim politics the state unquestioningly accepted the teachings of Islam and applied them as law. Islam, by sanctioning slavery - however mild a form it generally took - also extended legitimacy to the nefarious traffic in slaves.

  • And you know what/ When i see these debates, I see the women sitting in the balcony, just like black people did in white churches 100 years ago?

    They should sit just like the men, on the first level, given the same respect. If they will be treated equally in heaven, then treat them equally NOW.

  • Remind me, where does Jesus or Paul instruct us on handling our "slave girls" or "concubines"? Why are women punished after being raped in Islamic countries? Why are men let off so easily? Why do women sit in the balcony in these recorded religious debates?

    Where does Paul or Jesus or John instruct us on how to have sex with slaves or how many we can capture?

    Oh that's right, That not IN the "corrupt"Gospels and letters of Paul? What were those taken out by the bad old Catholic scribes too?

  • Islam did not correct the Bible, and Islam ended up taking the New Testament morals and sending them backwards to an older time of Old Testament harsh codes of war. Slavery, domination, demogogery. These concepts were and are not upheld in the Gospels nor in the letters of Paul.

    I don't care how many Popes later on, or how many corrupt bishops, cardinals, King Jameses, Baptists... all of them are false teachers as well if they taught those kind of falsehoods.

  • And you see Hasan, that's where I wanted you: All your talk about Islam correcting Christianity and you end up talking about Islamic slavery of black people in terms that are no different than white racists: You talk about it relating to animals and natural laws.

    Sorry to break it to you but it was wrong then, it was wrong in the USA, it was morally wrong in the sight of God and it was disgusting.

    No, God did not say that it's "ok" to "marry" a slave woman who was already married. ADULTRY

  • Arabic, for whatever the complexities of it is, does not make it beyond analysis. Arabic nuances certainly does not allow you to bypass admitting glaring errors in a literary text. A light is a light. A "muddy spring" is a muddy spring.

    The same excuse can be said for Hebrew and greek then. Feel free to fairly re-interpret all the "mistakes" in the Bible with the same kind of endless careful nuance. Hebrew IS a Semitic language also. Greek DOES use complex nuances also.

  • Hasan... you want more... and I'll provide.

    Until you read for yourself, you don't know what you are talking about. None of the legitimately translated bibles in history... NONE of them differ in such a way that you have "this religion" over here and "that religion over there". The only differening "religions" come from groups that are like Islam, offshots of Christianity, that came centuries after the fact. The testaments match and are reliable in their essence. And archaeology backs them up

  • (((I dont know how your posts disapeared, i wa answering them one by one and now i only find just one of them))))

    do u have any idea?

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    4th: multiple layers of translation (no direct translation from source), 5th: if testaments were inspired they would match ..and many others

  • 4th: Multiple layers of translation do not generate variances that dispute the events in question. You find minor minor details pertaining to the points of view of the writers. I find that evidence that 1. they told the truth. 2. That they really existed and told what happened. If all 4 matched perfectly you would say they were doctored up. heck that's what is used against Matthew Mark and Luke now. They say that those three came from the 'same source' BECAUSE they match so well. Game over!

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    About the old testament and dead sea scrolls, I was just telling you what that priest said, for me I didn't read them neither read (as a study) the old testament, and again we (Moslems) don't consider the hall bible as corrupt, there is a word of God in it, its just allot of its parts were reformed due to allot of factors: 1st. Jesus wasn't his writer, second, the earliest testament was written after 40 years of Jesus "death", third: no strong documentation method at that time,

  • See thats another game: We call "what we don't like" corrupt. Corruption means that there is evidence that there was change of a meaningful way... not "Muhammad didn't agree with it and said so in the Quran".

    You have an ALLEGATION of corruption in the Quran. You dont have CORRUPTION in the bible.

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    the sentence is very ambiguous, you could know its meaning either by the flow of speech or if it's marked by those light voiles,

    second sentence(DAHABo ALI) means Ali's gold, third sentence (DAHABA ALIi) means Ali went away, 4th sentence (DAHABA ALIia) means HE "not Ali" went on me, by those marks a noun becomes a verb, and name becomes a noun, that's why that moon verse is confusing you, only if u r fluent Arabic you would know what it means exactly.

  • And with 7 - here you go, see... you have your allegations of corruption and you then come back to me with ambiguities in the Quranic language.

    If only Muslims did not insist 1. that the Quran was precisely now as it was when Muhammad had it. 2. If they did not insist that every word is perfectly true. Then maybe you wouldn't be in your connundrum where you accuse the bible of corruption despite the fact the "corrupted" areas are archaeologically consistent with reality.