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I heard that recently oppresive government of uzbikistan banned feruza from singing!... unbelievable!!!...Her crime is that she has sung in farsi tajiki too many songs!... she is a true tajik in heart... we are proud of you feruza jan...people of uzbikistan deserve better than these left over communists...
@AzeriLoveIran lol i highly doubt they banned her because she sung in farsi considering many uzbek artists sing in farsi [oybek, nigora, shahrzoda]....
@AzeriLoveIran and Iran's ethnic minorities deserve better than Persian fascists :)
funny how you supposedly care about the "poor people of uzbekistan" when you ignore the fact that millions of Turks, Kurds etc cannot use their mother tongue :)
she is not uzbek. and you all shut ur fu..ing mouth up. just listen nd do not discuss her nationality. she is from Khorezm and she is not exact uzbek for antention of you all
@SamarkanD0011 She is Uzbek, and there is no need to curse. And we have a full right to discuss her nationality. Just because she sang a couple of songs in Tajik does not give some Tajik nationalists from Afghanistan a right to state that she is Tajik. I'm not talking about Tajiks from Uzbeksitan. Samarqandi and Bukhari Tajiks are cultured people and know better. I'm talking about Afghan Tajiks who have no idea about Uzbekistan and believe that anyone from Uzb who does not look Mongol is Tajik.
@rezanazari555 So what? Do you think that anyone who sang a song in Farsi is Iranian? Feruza recently sang a song in Spanish. Does it make her Spanish or Mexican? Majority of her songs are in Uzbek. A few are in Farsi because we do have a considerable Tajik minority and she wants to appeal to them as well. Many Uzbek singers have a few Farsi songs in their repertoire.
Feruza has this thick Uzbek accent when she sings in Farsi. She is from Kharezm where people speak Oghuz dialect (close to Azeri, Tutrkmen and Turkish) of Uzbek.
she is from the khwarazm region of uznekistan, she sings in standard ubek, the khwarazm dialect as well as tajik (like many uzbek singers who are popular in tajikistan, they will sing in tajik (very close to persian))
reroha, what do u mean Tajik is very close to persian?!!! Tajik is persian and persian is tajik . as an Iranian I understand Tajiks 100% so it means we speak in the same language.
I am origionally an Azari from Iran. The way Feruza pronounces words like gul (flower) is typical of a Turkish speaker person. In fact an Iranian Fars would pronounce g like q. At least based on languistic practice in Iran, Feruza cannot be a Fars.
My friend from Uzbekistan told me she is originally an ethnic Tajik from Uzbekistan. So she's Uzbek citizen and Tajik ethnicity. but who cares? Fars pronounce gul as gol. Not 'q'. Uzbek/TAjiks have mixed, let them be in peace.
u are saying shit here, i know her in real life, she is not tajik, she is 100% uzbek, from horazm which speaks closer to turkish, why u want her to be a tajik? it gives u something if she were tajik?
i think your friend must be a tajik as you, that is why he/she said it, i know her in real life, why are you saying shits about her? she is not tajik, at the her next concert, she will tell everything, she is not tajik, she has turkic origin.
She is not ethnic Tajik. She if from Horazm. There are no Tajiks there. Tajiks live primarily in cities of Samarqand and Bukhara and some villages in the southern and eastern parts of the country. Horazm is to the very west and separated from the rest of the country by a desert. It is a Turkic speakin area. She doesn't even speak Persian or it's dialects. You can watch her speak at Afghan broadcast. They ask questions in Dari, and she responds in Uzbek via translator.
Dorod feruza jun man shomara kheyli dost daram shoma banoyea gerami taje sar hasti har zabani shoma bekhani dar dele ma mardome iran hasti ma shomara honarmande bozorg midanim feruza jun agar khoda be man zendegani bedahad omidvaram betavanam barnamehe shomara az nazdik bebinam va be shoma yek daste gol bedaham agr chand midanam shoma az har goli zibatar hasti payande bashi fariborz az landan
Gosh, I love this song... it reminds me a lot of Iranian songs my Iranian friend used to show me... do Tajikistani /Uzbekistani people speak Farsi or have a culture that's been influenced by Persia? I'd just be interested to know, that's all!
Don't know whether she is tajik or uzbek. The word tajik means iranian, tajiks where the founders of modern farsi. You can find very much information about it in the internet. Good luck!
About Feruza Jumaniyozova.Perhaps I`m too late with my explanation.Anyway..Shes tajic but was born in Uzbekistan where not a few Tajiks live too(but Usbeks..absolute majority).Like most of Tajiks from there she`s a bilingual..can speak&sing both languages..
where the hell you found this information from that she is tajik,she is from uzbekistan ,from kharezm and she is etnick uzbek.Guy in uzbekistan we don't have discrimination, stop saying someone is uzbek snd someone is tajik or kazak ,just listen music and that's it..
To avazhuja.Just cool down!!First,read my old comment once more and find a word about discrimination in Uzbekistan.Uzbekistan really has no discrimination.One guy asked me(not you) who she is.I gave truest info..Dont interfere in a talk knowing nothing about the case
She is fucking ugly, I have never seen such disproportional face in my life, all you see is make up of course that exludes Yulduz Usmonova because she a fucking old rotten jalap :) Peace
Show us how good looking you are please we will judge you with open heart and i promise you wallah i will be honest when i judge if you are good looking i will tell you that you are beautiful if not i will still tell you you are not good enough try.
No no my dear PINK i am a man you should "check yourself before you wreck yourself" as they say in the west your name has (obidjon23) and this is exactly what i have as my SIZE (23cm)i can post the pic of it to you if you like to see it.
What the fuck, you are a lad? and yet you wanted to judge me how beautiful I was? I tell you what you can do with your 23cm cock, it is long enough to bend it and put it up your arse you fucking puff! Man why are there so many fags these days
You are being silly generally speaking its not good to say to someone she is ugly or he is ugly that's why i was saying that don't say it its bad i don't want to use any bad word anymore to me you are like a brother and i am 100 percent heterosexual straight man don't say anything bad any further.
Untill now I didnt say anything bad about you and I thought you were a lady. You started the insult with your 23cm, and you never said don't insult her, you asked for a picture from me. I think I have the right to post my comments and who are you to judge anyways. By the way I am not your brother.
OK its true everyone has the right to post comment but that doesn't mean you should insult someone which you did to Feroza by saying she is UGLY i asked for the pic not to my E-mail account but on YouTube a responding to Feroza we all expect a good comment on YouTube not opening it and see someone ranting for no reason take care and bye.
Hahahaa, No disrespect to anyone it was a bad row but he is not a bad guy (obidjon23) he didn't lose his cool to insult me or say something rude its all over now my regards to everyone including OBIDJON23 as well.
No need to argue lol just look at this girl, "Feruza", For her to be a Uzbek, she needs to have tiny eyes and flat nose, and she has normal eyes and normal nose, therefore she cant be turkic, uzbek and mongolic. She is anything but a turk, mongol and uzbek. Today's turkey is 95% non turkic and non mongolic ppl, they are the descendants of east european Slavic ppl. But there are still real mongolic and turkic uzbeks in some parts of Uzbekistan with typical tiny eyes and flat nose uzbeki look.
Hah-hah-ha! I'm Uzbek & nor I neither my relatives fit your description of Uzbeks. People in Europe mistake me for Italian or Spanish. Uzbeks look no different from any mideterranean nation. Yes some of us have oriental features yet it's great having a mixture mixture of Turks, Persians, Arabs and Mongolians! You know, Uzbeks look more aryan or european than your iranians who mainly look badawi arabs or indian-pakistanis. I man they are beauifull but this is fact!
Well,she has never been to the USA. Yes there are 2 mln tajiks in uzbekistan. Uzbek-Tajik are brotherly nations. Just one thing- Feruza is uzbek. Her father khorezmian uzbek and mother is Tatar (muslim turkic nation in Russia)She is showing great respect to our brotherly Tajiks and their great culture by singing in farsi.I speak fluent Russian yet i would not like to be called Russian simply because I speak Russian as fluent as my native Uzbek or I look Russian. Though it's not a big deal.
Look I;m quarter Tajik myself yet wouldn#t call her tajik. Co she is not. You Know there is no tajik community in Khrazm region. They have been turkised at least by 11 century lon before turkic-mongolian inavsion due to trade and turkic influx. Anyway, damn it- who is who. tajik uzbek che farq dorad? hamahoie yak insom astem.
Quarter Tajik? Alpbukhari, you are just a shame to your own culture! You call yourself a quarter Tajik? No one even accept a simple 1%. Go some other place kid and try to sell you BS>
alp and panjsher. Feruza is no pure Uzbek neither Tajik. Her father is Khorezmian Uzbek and mother Tatar.Peace and respect to all of us, all neigbours,brotherly nations in region - tajiks, uzbeks, tatars, turks, iranians, afghans, kazakhs, turkmens, kyrgyz, kazakh, uigurs, hazara, azeri or arabs. No insult, please! Can't we simply forget old feuds and be friends? We are related in so many ways... To me iranians or kazakhs are me dear brotehrs and I can say - they r my people,too.
@uzbekcactus in Khorezm official language is turkmen, not uzbek, so now is located in Uzbekistan, thats why everyone speaks an uzbek language. Now lets go back to past what was happened with Khorezm, Khorezm used to be part of Old Persia, only Persians used to live up there, just by osmanian turks and mongolians became Turkicized. They dont look like uzbeks, they looks like more Persians - tall and not that's mongolian face as the uzbeks, that means they're still keeping persian's ethnicity.
@camomilleable11 Language spoken in Khorezm is not Turkmen. They speak a Khorezmi dialect of Uzbek language. Their language is indeed closer to Turkmen or Azeri than say Ferghani or Tashkent dialects of Uzbek. But it's still not Turkmen. People of Khorezm are Uzbeks. Khorezmi Uzbeks to be specific.
@camomilleable11 Khorezm was a part of Persia for a brief time under Achaemenid monarchy. Most of the time it was independent. People of Khorezm in ancient times were Iranic people. Related to Persians but not Persians per se. Later they did mix with Turkic tribes that arrived there. Iranic language of Khorezm was still in use up to XIV century. As opposed to Bukhara it wasn't Farsi, it was Khorezmian language. So today Khorezmians are a Turko-Iranic mixture, like most Uzbeks.
@camomilleable11 Your claim that Khorezm was Turkicized by Osmanian Turks and Mongols are absurd. First of all Osmanian or Ottoman Turks descended from a small group of Khorezmians who fled from Genghis Khan to what is now Turkey. There a few generations later a man named Osman was born and founded the Ottoman dynasty. So Ottomans could've not Turkified Khorezm. To opposite original Ottomans descended from Khorezm. Secondly, Mongols could not Turkify it because Mongols are not Turkic.
@camomilleable11 At the time of Mongol invasion Khorezm was already a primarily Turkic speaking state. Khorezmshahs were a Turkic dynasty. How could non-Turkic Mongols Turkify a state that was already Turkic? And in general drop this whole ethnicity thing. It is Central Asia. We are a hybrid of Turkic and Iranian civilizations. But we identify ourselves as Turkic. No Khorezmian thinks of himself as Persian. And most Uzbeks don't look Mongolian. We look more like Tajiks than Mongols.
@Kyan66 First of all Tajik = Soghdian+Persian. Secondly, it does not change a fact that there are no Tajiks in Khorezm. They just don't live there and never did. There are plenty of Tajiks in Samarqand and Bukhara but not in Khorezm.
@Kyan66 Soghdian language still exists in Yagnobi dialect in Tajikistan. Majority of Soghdians however lost their language, mixed with Persians and speak Farsi today. Of course there is a cultural Persian-Tajik unity, meaning they share the same literature because they both use the same language. But it does not mean that their ethnic heritage is the same.
@Kyan66 And as I said earlier, it does not change the fact that there is virtually no Tajik population in Khorezm where this singer is from. Ancient Iranic (but not Persian) population of Khorezm got Turkified, mixed with Turkic settlers and formed Khorezmian Uzbeks of today. Farsi was never a language spoken by Khorezmi people.
ah yes so you don't know nothing about the khorasm shahs they were kings from khoresmian tribe but they got assimilated
Russia indeed supported anti iran politics :
they wanted totally wipe out persian language and culture from central asian and azerbaycan
read the history it was Mohamad Shah Khorazm who cutted djinghis khan's diplomats head of and send it back to mongolia... biggest mistake ever in iranian history
@Kyan66 Lol Khorazm Shah Muhammad was Turkic. The founder of the dynasty was a Anush Tegin, a Turkic slave of Seljuk Turk rulers who was appointed a governor of Khorezm and later his descendants ruled the region independently. The names of some prominents shahs from the dynasty: Anush Tegin, Atsiz, Il-Arslan, all Turkic names. Its a Turkic dynasty that took over Iran later.
@Kyan66 Lol Khorazm Shah Muhammad was Turkic. The founder of the dynasty was a Anush Tegin, a Turkic slave of Seljuk Turk rulers who was appointed a governor of Khorezm and later his descendants ruled the region independently. The names of some prominents shahs from the dynasty: Anush Tegin, Atsiz, Il-Arslan all Turkic names. Its a Turkic dynasty that took over Iran later.
@Kyan66 Lol Khorazm Shah Muhammad was Turkic. The founder of the dynasty was a Anush Tegin, a Turkic slave of Seljuk Turk rulers who was appointed a governor of Khorezm and later his descendants ruled the region independently. The names of some prominents shahs from the dynasty: Anush Tegin, Atsiz, Il-Arslan all Turkic names. Its a Turkic dynasty that took over Iran later.
@Kyan66 Khorazm Shah Muhammad was Turkic. The founder of the dynasty was Anush Tegin, a Turkic slave of Seljuk Turk rulers who was appointed a governor of Khorezm and later his descendants ruled the region independetly. The names of some prominent shahs from the dynasty are: Anush Tegin, Atsiz, Il-Arslan, Tekesh all Turkic names. Muhammad Shahs mother was Turkan-Hatun a Qipchaq Turk. His nephews name was Inalchuk, his best general Temur Melik. All Turks. Its a Turkic dynasty that took over Iran.
@Kyan66 I've read Biruni, and the fact that Biruni wrote in Persian does not make him a Persian. Ibn Sina wrote his greatest works on medicine in Arabic, does it make him an Arab? Biruni was an Iranic native of Khorezm, a Choresmian. He even mentioned that roots of Khorezm are related to Persians. But they were not Persian. Biruni knew Farsi but he knew Khorezmian language too.
@Kyan66 The language of my Iranic ancestors from Khorezm was Khorezmian, an Iranian language belonging to Eastern-Iranian group of languages. Just like modern Pashto. Modern Farsi and old Pehlevi belong to Western-Iranain group of languages. I don't think I should explain to you that Pashto and Farsi are very much different though related.
@Kyan66 So Khorazm shahs should not be viewed as a dynasty that became shahs of Iran. It was more like this: The state of Khorezm conquered Iran and made Iran a province of Khorezm. The shahs stayed in Khorezm, their capital was there. If we view them as shahs of Iran might as well view Genghis Khan as shah of Iran. Both Khorezmians and Mongols were foreigners in Persia.
@QoziKalon LOL they made IRAN a province of khorezm it's like you woud say germany conquered whole europe and made it it's province you are so wrong
the problem is these people you talk about were savagers ,babarians with no culture or religion so they adopted the persian culture and gave their sons persian names(or arabic)
it's the same phenomen like the fall of rome when the barbarian defeated tome but adopted their culture
@Kyan66 I'm not denying the fact that Persian culture had great influence on Khorezm and the rest of Central Asia. But it does not make them Persian. And speaking of Turks being savage. Just because an ethnic group adapted a nomadic lifestyle which was optimal for geographical conditions of the region they originated from does not make them savage. A nomad does not build a house or a palace because he doesn't need one, its not practical when you move with herds.
@Kyan66 Turkic nomads had their own runic alphabet, their own art, their own poetry, crafts. Not that much was preserved. Achaemenid ruins are there because they were built of stone. A nomad would not leave such a monument. Sure there are no math, astronomy, geometry etc in nomadic society. They were useles to nomads. The only tool of production a nomad uses is a whip, and a whip does not need improvement. It doesn't mean a nomad is a dumb savage, he just doesn't develop what he doesn't need.
@Kyan66 It's easy to boast rich history and culture when you have ruins of cities, and examples of art, weapons, pottery, jewelry burried in ruins. But when you live in a tent, when wood, silk and expensive furs decay, golden jewelry is melted by your enemies there is not much left to show. Thus for many centuries European historians had a view that nomads did not produce any culture. XX century archaeologists proved that nomads had culture, but old views are still prevalent among many.
@QoziKalon i accept the fact that nomads had their own culture too
but it's impossible to say that choresm shahs Are Non iranian because they supported the culture
if you think they weren't iranian because of their origin you r wrong because ever since ghaznavid turcs ruled in iran there were jsut turks to rule iran(even today)
but they did never consider themselves as turks ?.
@Kyan66 Yes they did consider themselves Turks. It did not stop them from admiring Iranian culture. Just because a Turk changes his clothing and lifestyle it does not stop him from being a Turk. Look at Timurids. Timur was Turkic, stated that he was a Turk on numerous occasions yet he was a great admirer of Iranian culture and so where his descendants. Look at Turks of Turkey, direct descendants of Seljuk Turks. They look nothing like their nomad ancestors but they remember that they are Turk.
@Kyan66 Ottoman sultans new Farsi well and wrote poems in it. They also knew Turkic well and wrote in Turkic too. Just because they adapted parts of Persian culture does not stop them from being Turkic. In fact that's why I mentioned them in the first place. Their lifestyle, culture, religion, architecture all comes from Persians and Arabs. But they are still Turks and remember it.
@Kyan66 Nadir Shah was Turkic but his dynasty can be considered indeed a Persian dynasty. They ruled from Iran and conquered neighbors for the glory of Iran. Safavids are a good example too. Timurids for instance were different. They ruled in Central Asia, conquered and ravaged Iran and her cities and took the loot back to Central Asia to develop cities there.
@Kyan66 Khorezmians did conquer all Iranian provinces but stayed in Khorezm. That makes Iran a bunch of conquered provinces of Khorezm. When Mongols conquered China it did not make them Chinese emperors. Mongol descendants of Tuluy son of Genghis Khan turned into a Chinese dynasty much much later.
@Kyan66 Khorezm was a land populated by an Iranian population. Iranian not in a sense that they were from Iran,but in a sense that they spoke a language belonging to Iranian subfamily of languages. They were not Persian. It was a province of Achaeminds for a very short time and was pretty much independent from Persia throughout it's history. Turks arrived there later and mixed with locals forming a modern Khorezmian population.
@Kyan66 I never said that Khorezm was part of Iran. I said that the population in ancient times was Iranic. Just because Tatars living in Russia are Turkic does not make their country part of Turkey. Bukhara and Samarqand were built by Sogdians, not Persians.
@Kyan66 Well if we speak about founders of the cities than we are speaking Soghdian. As far as buildings that are there today, absolute majority of them were build under Turkic rule. Timurids, and subsequent Uzbek dynasties. I'm sure many Persians worked on construction sites because Timur brough many slaves from Iran and Azerbayjan.
@Kyan66 No Bukhara raised to power under Samanid rule. Bukhara was a Samanid capital. Samarqand was a major city but Bukhara was superior. Now Samanids did a lot for the cities but most they built was destroyed by Mongols. What we see there today is mainly Timurid and subsequent dynasties architecture. Samarqand rose to power under Timurids. And please let me know where and how I insulted you, because I didn't mean to.
@Kyan66 Timurids were not Mongols. Timuris were from a Turkic tribe of Barlas. Barlas tribe did indeed arrive with Mongols and had Mongol blood. Timur however was an enemy of Mongols all his life. His campaings broke the back bone of the Golden Horde. Timur represented interests of the settled population of Central Asia not the nomads. The very sight of unploughed land enraged him. He was a champion of Islam and settled population and enemy of nomads and Genghis Khans heritage.
@Kyan66 Now Timurid support of setlled population of Central Asia, both Tajik and Turkic did not make him a friend of settled population of Iran. He ravaged Iran but he elevated Samarqand and Bukhara. Wether we like Timurids or not most of Samarqandi and Bukhari architecture that is intact today was built by him, his descendants and subsequent Turkic dynasties. I'm sure Samanids did a lot too, but unfortunately not much survived from their work after the Mongol conquest.
@Kyan66 And Samanid Bukhara and Samarqand were not cities were Turkish slaves were brought to west to fight the Crusaders because when the First Crusade began the Samanids were long gone. Replaced by Ghaznavids who were replaced by Seljuks. Crusades began during Seljuk rule.
@Kyan66 Please don't get me wrong. I'm aware what a nightmare Timur was for Iran, how much evil he did to Persians and Persian cities. Towers of heads, sacked and pillaged cities, people burried alive. I am very sorry for what he did. But from Central Asian perspective he did a lot of good for settled Turks and Tajiks of Central Asia because he ended the rule of nomads. He rebuilt what the Mongols destroyed there.
@Kyan66 I agree with you on that. Except for Khorezm being a part of Khorasan. Greater Khorasan did strech from Mashad to Samarqand. Persia and Soghdiana might have been separate countries with different though related culture, but Arab conquest merged Khorasan and Soghdiana into one political and cultural entity. Cultural results were amazing, Dari was formed and it replaced old Soghdian language and gave birth to great literature.
@Kyan66 The reason I don't include Khorezm is because Khorezm was not a part of Khorasan. Even under Caliphate it stayed a separate region. If Dari (Farsi) replaced Soghdian language in Greater Khorasan, old Khorezmian language was not replaced by Dari. Instead it was gradually replaced by Oghuz Turkic, though old Khorezmian Iranic language could still be heard as late as 14th century.
@Kyan66 Mongols were a disaster but I wouldn't say that they led our lands into unimportance. We recovered completely under Timurids. The reason for Central Asia falling into obscurity were the great geographical discoveries of the Renaissance period. New sea trade routes were discovered and the old Great Silk Road have lost it's importance. If before Central Asia was in the middle of the money flow of the world economy, when the routes changed so did our fortunes.
@QoziKalon when the mongol invasion started most of the tajiks flew to the wets
these people were the backbone of your cultur
and the places they've went to elevated in influence
for example Konya in modern turkey
were rumi went to
or isfahan in iran etc...
while samarqand and the east lost more and more influence iran gain more and more Savafid ... Asfharid and the last golden age of iran was in the time and after the new roots were founded ...
@Kyan66 Most of Tajiks stayed and still live in Central Asia. It was a new period after Mongols but we still have great examples of culture such as Jami, Nawai, Ulughbek, Babur, and many others from post-Mongol period. And Irans golden Age under Safavids and Afshars is really a decline too. It was a period of Iranian superiority as a power in the region, but scientific progress shifted to Europe and in the end both Iran and Central Asia had to be modernized by the West.
@Kyan66 Shahrukh did a lot but his rule did not stretch much to Central Asia. He ruled Horasan from Herat. Central Asia was divided between other Timurid princes. I don't have much respect for them either. They destroyed the empire with their fighting each other. I do respect Ulughbek and Babur among Timurids. And of course Shahruh.
@QoziKalon hmm i really don't know i was born and raised in germany
i think you need a visum to go there , or look it up in the web if you r really intrested
but if you was you i wouldn't go their you can see how a nations potencial is beeing supressed by a fanatic regime you can see how yound beautiful smart people suffer under theocratism it's really frustrating
@Kyan66 I totally agree. I'm a devout Muslim but Mullahs in power is a disaster. Bad for the people and for religion too I think, they give it a bad name.
Thank you
Very beautiful song
laiko333 1 year ago
ну прям красотка
yulya428 1 year ago
anybody knows lyrics to this song?
azam1346 1 year ago
Kto nibud' znayet kak mojno ee proglasit na svadbu v turkmenistan, u menya svadba v fevrale i nado ee priglasit i kak eto mojno daite mne znat pojalusta outoflow@mail.ru
caramell2003 1 year ago
Hi Guys anyone knows how to invite her to the wedding to Turkmenistan???? Please help me if anyone knows as we have wedding in february
caramell2003 1 year ago
nice song
kalausha 1 year ago
When somebody is nice everyone claims them but whae they are no good then nobody wants to know them. So good on Feruza that Nations wanting her !?
jezadeh1 1 year ago
eto to pesnya da da da da da dad ad adaaad ad ad adddda da dadd da
aidanu 1 year ago
kakaya ona krasiviya :)
arnaba21 1 year ago
I heard that recently oppresive government of uzbikistan banned feruza from singing!... unbelievable!!!...Her crime is that she has sung in farsi tajiki too many songs!... she is a true tajik in heart... we are proud of you feruza jan...people of uzbikistan deserve better than these left over communists...
AzeriLoveIran 1 year ago
@AzeriLoveIran lol i highly doubt they banned her because she sung in farsi considering many uzbek artists sing in farsi [oybek, nigora, shahrzoda]....
alborzka 1 year ago
@AzeriLoveIran and Iran's ethnic minorities deserve better than Persian fascists :)
funny how you supposedly care about the "poor people of uzbekistan" when you ignore the fact that millions of Turks, Kurds etc cannot use their mother tongue :)
alborzka 1 year ago
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AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited loooool your comment speaks for itself,
i feel sorry for your people :)))))
alborzka 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited
all of them live in afghanistan
kalausha 1 year ago
@alborzka
where did you get this?
did you ever went to tabriz
they don't know a word farsi over there ...
and iran was and is the only land in the middle east that accepts kurdish culture and language
who's now fascist iran? OR turkey where kurds get jailed for speaking their language
the problem in iran is not facsism it's shia fanatism if kurds or other minorities get punished it beacuse their sunni not because of their ehtnicity
did you know that the iranian head of state ist turkic
Kyan66 1 year ago
Mon cher Feruza, où puis-je vous trouver??? vous êtes tout simplement splendide !!!!!!
My dear Feruza, where can I find you? you are just gorgeuos!!!
Mi querida Feruza, donde te encuentro??? Simplemente Maravillosa!!!!
oki3a 1 year ago
she is not uzbek. and you all shut ur fu..ing mouth up. just listen nd do not discuss her nationality. she is from Khorezm and she is not exact uzbek for antention of you all
SamarkanD0011 1 year ago
@SamarkanD0011 She is Uzbek, and there is no need to curse. And we have a full right to discuss her nationality. Just because she sang a couple of songs in Tajik does not give some Tajik nationalists from Afghanistan a right to state that she is Tajik. I'm not talking about Tajiks from Uzbeksitan. Samarqandi and Bukhari Tajiks are cultured people and know better. I'm talking about Afghan Tajiks who have no idea about Uzbekistan and believe that anyone from Uzb who does not look Mongol is Tajik.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon hahaha
AlZekrino 1 year ago
آفرین، زنده باد هنرمند
zangir2007 1 year ago
"Mashallah."
"Sellam-mallikum."
Yashaniz,Tatar,Turk,Nagay,Kazak,
Azerbaijan,Karakalpak,Uzbek,Altay,
Yakutia,Tuvan,Uyghur,Kyrgyz.
Dunyada,Mussullman Kardeshlerim.
"Saullikman-kallinniz."
eden1D2edwin 1 year ago
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soltani85 1 year ago
lets write down the lyrics. I understand most of it but a few words that i am not certain. anybody can help?
eid noruz mubarak
IranZaminAzadi 1 year ago
I like her voice. It makes me feel happy.
Shevaron 2 years ago
@lola17ish
You should be kidding! What is your definition of Uzbek? Wake up kid!
Shirio77 2 years ago
drood mojadad be hame azizan va be omid bazgashte Uzbakestan Tajikestan Azerbayejan Turemanestan va Afghanestane aziz be mihane aslie khod IRAN
rezanazari555 2 years ago
feruza yedune deste gul.
batux100 2 years ago
drood bar har farsi zaban dar har jay donya
rezanazari555 2 years ago
@rezanazari555 But uzbak language is turki not farsi okkkkk
hossnasaba 2 years ago 2
@hossnasaba so why she sing farsi
yek rozi tamame in keshvarhay atrafe Iran be mihan aslie khod IRAN baz khahad gasht
rezanazari555 2 years ago
@rezanazari555 So what? Do you think that anyone who sang a song in Farsi is Iranian? Feruza recently sang a song in Spanish. Does it make her Spanish or Mexican? Majority of her songs are in Uzbek. A few are in Farsi because we do have a considerable Tajik minority and she wants to appeal to them as well. Many Uzbek singers have a few Farsi songs in their repertoire.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@hossnasaba
you should be kidding if you understand the common rule of language!
Uzbek is the only language completely adapted Persian Vowels!
Shirio77 1 year ago
@hossnasaba It's not uzbak, it's Uzbek.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
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@: QoziKalan: "It's not uzbak, it's Uzbek".
what's de difference? Haywan haywan ast! ... lol sorry just a little joke! i learnt from iranians.
AzeriLoveIran 1 year ago
Merci pour l'envoi de cette chanson. I love Ferruza. Salutations from Algéria
Thameur1000 2 years ago
ppl, plz stop talking about to which nationality she belongs, just listen music.
goldenpark2009 2 years ago 14
very very nise doxtari iruni xeyli xashange
bravo azizam from Dubai HArut
tesarche 2 years ago
travel the world... i have... there's no language as beautiful as farsi/parsi/persian/tajiki/dari... whatever you want to call it
calmafterthestorm100 2 years ago
لهجه خیلی شیرین و قشنگی داره.
آدم همش دلش میخواهد آهنگ رو گوش کنه.
مرسی از آهنگ.
JavidIraneman 2 years ago
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queenofhiphop5000 2 years ago
Hey hippo are you sure? I understand it 100% and I don't speak uzbeki! Dare me I may be in a mood to write down the lyrics in persian!!!
azam1346 2 years ago
Shu qiz qachon erga tegarkan biz qutularkanmiz ja uzini kup reklama qibdi.
alisuyunov 2 years ago
"uzbekcactus" lol :)
FreedomOfSpeech555 2 years ago
Feruza has this thick Uzbek accent when she sings in Farsi. She is from Kharezm where people speak Oghuz dialect (close to Azeri, Tutrkmen and Turkish) of Uzbek.
uzbekcactus 2 years ago
she is from the khwarazm region of uznekistan, she sings in standard ubek, the khwarazm dialect as well as tajik (like many uzbek singers who are popular in tajikistan, they will sing in tajik (very close to persian))
reroha 2 years ago
reroha, what do u mean Tajik is very close to persian?!!! Tajik is persian and persian is tajik . as an Iranian I understand Tajiks 100% so it means we speak in the same language.
mreza1979 2 years ago
horazm dialect is not close to tajik, it is close to turkish, i am from horazm, u are saying shit here, horazm dialect is not close to tajik
steakrider 2 years ago
u didn't read my comment very well.... i said tajik is close to persian... no need for foul language
reroha 2 years ago 2
horazm language is almost the same as uzbek
777CHARMING 2 years ago
sizdanham bitta yaxshi fikr chiqat ekan. all turkic nations language same to each others. long live to turkic nations
steakrider 2 years ago
heyy dude i know you ..
777CHARMING 2 years ago
of course you do after we had a great argue;) i think u will never forget me!
steakrider 2 years ago
ahaha a great argue lol it wasn't great :).Yeah,i told you to get education lolz i think you won't forget me either lol
777CHARMING 2 years ago
ترانه زیبا صدا زیبا خواننده زیبا! دستت درد نکنه
JavidIraneman 2 years ago
I am origionally an Azari from Iran. The way Feruza pronounces words like gul (flower) is typical of a Turkish speaker person. In fact an Iranian Fars would pronounce g like q. At least based on languistic practice in Iran, Feruza cannot be a Fars.
samad1904 2 years ago
she sing farsi not turki, my samad agha. you are wrong. she prononces gul not qul. lol. qul yani devil. gul yani blossom. two different things.
u need to work on your farsi more! lol!
i learnt farsi well but i not know what accent is this. do yu know?
AzeriLoveIran 2 years ago
My friend from Uzbekistan told me she is originally an ethnic Tajik from Uzbekistan. So she's Uzbek citizen and Tajik ethnicity. but who cares? Fars pronounce gul as gol. Not 'q'. Uzbek/TAjiks have mixed, let them be in peace.
iguard23 2 years ago
u are saying shit here, i know her in real life, she is not tajik, she is 100% uzbek, from horazm which speaks closer to turkish, why u want her to be a tajik? it gives u something if she were tajik?
steakrider 2 years ago
i think your friend must be a tajik as you, that is why he/she said it, i know her in real life, why are you saying shits about her? she is not tajik, at the her next concert, she will tell everything, she is not tajik, she has turkic origin.
steakrider 2 years ago
She is not ethnic Tajik. She if from Horazm. There are no Tajiks there. Tajiks live primarily in cities of Samarqand and Bukhara and some villages in the southern and eastern parts of the country. Horazm is to the very west and separated from the rest of the country by a desert. It is a Turkic speakin area. She doesn't even speak Persian or it's dialects. You can watch her speak at Afghan broadcast. They ask questions in Dari, and she responds in Uzbek via translator.
QoziKalon 2 years ago
firuza fars mars nist alaki deletoon o khosh nakonin dar ozbakestan aslan ye doone ham fars mars nist okey????
hala yeki ye taraneye tajiki khoonde fars hesab nakoonin oon ozbak e va ye tarane yajiki khoonde na farsi
yurduqan 2 years ago
درود بر فیروزه خانوم گرامی و درود بر تک تکه فارسی زبونا در هر جای این کره خاکی که هستن البته بویژه در ایران ، تاجیکستان ، افغانستان و ازبکستان .
Irandoost1 2 years ago
Dorod feruza jun man shomara kheyli dost daram shoma banoyea gerami taje sar hasti har zabani shoma bekhani dar dele ma mardome iran hasti ma shomara honarmande bozorg midanim feruza jun agar khoda be man zendegani bedahad omidvaram betavanam barnamehe shomara az nazdik bebinam va be shoma yek daste gol bedaham agr chand midanam shoma az har goli zibatar hasti payande bashi fariborz az landan
aryamaneshfariborz 2 years ago
She is Uzbek
aleyda86 2 years ago
really Kid? Did you get a DNA before posting so or just even look at her face?
Shirio77 2 years ago
ma Uzbak ah am farsi zaban asti
we uzbak people also persain
paktonSigainAST 2 years ago 2
some are, but uzbek ethnicity is turc and language too
nyccarini 2 years ago
Фируза,Вы эталон женской красоты!!Спасибо Вам огромное за прекрасные песни.Крым любит Вас!
balgurt 2 years ago
man yejuraee asheghesh shodam.
seda ziba surat ziba kheili alli
dastet dard nakone
JavidIraneman 2 years ago
dont know what hell she saying the only thing i understood was "ARUS MUBARAK" but soundz good tho..:)
brownq12 2 years ago
haha she talkin bout a wedding
nyccarini 2 years ago
feruza jaan very nice song we love u a lot.
a lot of love from afghnistan kabul.
TAJIK420 2 years ago
super
florymayo 2 years ago
Feruza, nice one. I like most of your songs! Most of all - Yalla - Habibi!!!
Baqtriana 3 years ago
I don't get it.... is she Uzbek or Tajik?
Gosh, I love this song... it reminds me a lot of Iranian songs my Iranian friend used to show me... do Tajikistani /Uzbekistani people speak Farsi or have a culture that's been influenced by Persia? I'd just be interested to know, that's all!
Gr8 song!
Jayahind 3 years ago
Don't know whether she is tajik or uzbek. The word tajik means iranian, tajiks where the founders of modern farsi. You can find very much information about it in the internet. Good luck!
Maqduni 3 years ago
About Feruza Jumaniyozova.Perhaps I`m too late with my explanation.Anyway..Shes tajic but was born in Uzbekistan where not a few Tajiks live too(but Usbeks..absolute majority).Like most of Tajiks from there she`s a bilingual..can speak&sing both languages..
Momentegeniesser6 2 years ago
where the hell you found this information from that she is tajik,she is from uzbekistan ,from kharezm and she is etnick uzbek.Guy in uzbekistan we don't have discrimination, stop saying someone is uzbek snd someone is tajik or kazak ,just listen music and that's it..
avazhuja 2 years ago
To avazhuja.Just cool down!!First,read my old comment once more and find a word about discrimination in Uzbekistan.Uzbekistan really has no discrimination.One guy asked me(not you) who she is.I gave truest info..Dont interfere in a talk knowing nothing about the case
Sagiscan9999 2 years ago
LOL . What the hell are you talking about ?! She is from Khorezm.Uzbekistan and she is UZBEK for your reference... Thanks.
bakhtier88 2 years ago
She is so beautiful and sweet, and her voice is good
laleh8 3 years ago 2
nice Tajik song!Good Job& Long live Firuza!
SARAZAMIN 3 years ago 2
ara bane 602-653-8369
fatimaasl 3 years ago
It's Tajik song and glorious music!
kazmen72 3 years ago
She is fucking ugly, I have never seen such disproportional face in my life, all you see is make up of course that exludes Yulduz Usmonova because she a fucking old rotten jalap :) Peace
obidjon23 3 years ago
Show us how good looking you are please we will judge you with open heart and i promise you wallah i will be honest when i judge if you are good looking i will tell you that you are beautiful if not i will still tell you you are not good enough try.
Mastana7 3 years ago
Fair enough, but as they say "Ladies First" so I shall upload a picture of myself right after you my ladie.
obidjon23 3 years ago
No no my dear PINK i am a man you should "check yourself before you wreck yourself" as they say in the west your name has (obidjon23) and this is exactly what i have as my SIZE (23cm)i can post the pic of it to you if you like to see it.
Mastana7 3 years ago
What the fuck, you are a lad? and yet you wanted to judge me how beautiful I was? I tell you what you can do with your 23cm cock, it is long enough to bend it and put it up your arse you fucking puff! Man why are there so many fags these days
obidjon23 3 years ago
You are being silly generally speaking its not good to say to someone she is ugly or he is ugly that's why i was saying that don't say it its bad i don't want to use any bad word anymore to me you are like a brother and i am 100 percent heterosexual straight man don't say anything bad any further.
Mastana7 3 years ago
Untill now I didnt say anything bad about you and I thought you were a lady. You started the insult with your 23cm, and you never said don't insult her, you asked for a picture from me. I think I have the right to post my comments and who are you to judge anyways. By the way I am not your brother.
obidjon23 3 years ago
OK its true everyone has the right to post comment but that doesn't mean you should insult someone which you did to Feroza by saying she is UGLY i asked for the pic not to my E-mail account but on YouTube a responding to Feroza we all expect a good comment on YouTube not opening it and see someone ranting for no reason take care and bye.
Mastana7 3 years ago
that's enough mastana. dont't dig any deeper! your comment is now part of history.
BTW are you serious about 23. it's almost 2 feet! How do you manage it? lol. and imagine obidjon was flirting with you. lol. disgusting!
azam1346 3 years ago
Hahahaa, No disrespect to anyone it was a bad row but he is not a bad guy (obidjon23) he didn't lose his cool to insult me or say something rude its all over now my regards to everyone including OBIDJON23 as well.
Mastana7 3 years ago
No need to argue lol just look at this girl, "Feruza", For her to be a Uzbek, she needs to have tiny eyes and flat nose, and she has normal eyes and normal nose, therefore she cant be turkic, uzbek and mongolic. She is anything but a turk, mongol and uzbek. Today's turkey is 95% non turkic and non mongolic ppl, they are the descendants of east european Slavic ppl. But there are still real mongolic and turkic uzbeks in some parts of Uzbekistan with typical tiny eyes and flat nose uzbeki look.
Balkh77 3 years ago
Hah-hah-ha! I'm Uzbek & nor I neither my relatives fit your description of Uzbeks. People in Europe mistake me for Italian or Spanish. Uzbeks look no different from any mideterranean nation. Yes some of us have oriental features yet it's great having a mixture mixture of Turks, Persians, Arabs and Mongolians! You know, Uzbeks look more aryan or european than your iranians who mainly look badawi arabs or indian-pakistanis. I man they are beauifull but this is fact!
alpbukhari 3 years ago
"... this is fact". I hope you were not that loose with facts in your previous posts. I relied on them to be accurate.
azam1346 3 years ago
Keep your yap shut!Uzbeks never look more aryan or european and persians!Uzbek is Mongol race as Kazakh!
kazmen72 3 years ago 2
i met her too in VA usa she said shez tajik.
jkhan2146 3 years ago
Well,she has never been to the USA. Yes there are 2 mln tajiks in uzbekistan. Uzbek-Tajik are brotherly nations. Just one thing- Feruza is uzbek. Her father khorezmian uzbek and mother is Tatar (muslim turkic nation in Russia)She is showing great respect to our brotherly Tajiks and their great culture by singing in farsi.I speak fluent Russian yet i would not like to be called Russian simply because I speak Russian as fluent as my native Uzbek or I look Russian. Though it's not a big deal.
alpbukhari 3 years ago
Shirio77: please no insult!
The facts fall probably somewhere between what gulshan va alp are saying.
as alp said: "Mo dostoni aziz va hamsoyaye nazdik astem".
azam1346 3 years ago 5
alpbukhari, my brother.
she is a real tajik.
PanjsheriAFG010 3 years ago
Look I;m quarter Tajik myself yet wouldn#t call her tajik. Co she is not. You Know there is no tajik community in Khrazm region. They have been turkised at least by 11 century lon before turkic-mongolian inavsion due to trade and turkic influx. Anyway, damn it- who is who. tajik uzbek che farq dorad? hamahoie yak insom astem.
alpbukhari 3 years ago 2
Quarter Tajik? Alpbukhari, you are just a shame to your own culture! You call yourself a quarter Tajik? No one even accept a simple 1%. Go some other place kid and try to sell you BS>
Shirio77 3 years ago
alp and panjsher. Feruza is no pure Uzbek neither Tajik. Her father is Khorezmian Uzbek and mother Tatar.Peace and respect to all of us, all neigbours,brotherly nations in region - tajiks, uzbeks, tatars, turks, iranians, afghans, kazakhs, turkmens, kyrgyz, kazakh, uigurs, hazara, azeri or arabs. No insult, please! Can't we simply forget old feuds and be friends? We are related in so many ways... To me iranians or kazakhs are me dear brotehrs and I can say - they r my people,too.
uzbekcactus 3 years ago 13
@uzbekcactus you are a great person indeed, my greetings from Egypt
khalidy9999 1 year ago
@uzbekcactus in Khorezm official language is turkmen, not uzbek, so now is located in Uzbekistan, thats why everyone speaks an uzbek language. Now lets go back to past what was happened with Khorezm, Khorezm used to be part of Old Persia, only Persians used to live up there, just by osmanian turks and mongolians became Turkicized. They dont look like uzbeks, they looks like more Persians - tall and not that's mongolian face as the uzbeks, that means they're still keeping persian's ethnicity.
camomilleable11 1 year ago
@camomilleable11 Language spoken in Khorezm is not Turkmen. They speak a Khorezmi dialect of Uzbek language. Their language is indeed closer to Turkmen or Azeri than say Ferghani or Tashkent dialects of Uzbek. But it's still not Turkmen. People of Khorezm are Uzbeks. Khorezmi Uzbeks to be specific.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@camomilleable11 Khorezm was a part of Persia for a brief time under Achaemenid monarchy. Most of the time it was independent. People of Khorezm in ancient times were Iranic people. Related to Persians but not Persians per se. Later they did mix with Turkic tribes that arrived there. Iranic language of Khorezm was still in use up to XIV century. As opposed to Bukhara it wasn't Farsi, it was Khorezmian language. So today Khorezmians are a Turko-Iranic mixture, like most Uzbeks.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@camomilleable11 Your claim that Khorezm was Turkicized by Osmanian Turks and Mongols are absurd. First of all Osmanian or Ottoman Turks descended from a small group of Khorezmians who fled from Genghis Khan to what is now Turkey. There a few generations later a man named Osman was born and founded the Ottoman dynasty. So Ottomans could've not Turkified Khorezm. To opposite original Ottomans descended from Khorezm. Secondly, Mongols could not Turkify it because Mongols are not Turkic.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@camomilleable11 At the time of Mongol invasion Khorezm was already a primarily Turkic speaking state. Khorezmshahs were a Turkic dynasty. How could non-Turkic Mongols Turkify a state that was already Turkic? And in general drop this whole ethnicity thing. It is Central Asia. We are a hybrid of Turkic and Iranian civilizations. But we identify ourselves as Turkic. No Khorezmian thinks of himself as Persian. And most Uzbeks don't look Mongolian. We look more like Tajiks than Mongols.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon
tajik = persian
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 First of all Tajik = Soghdian+Persian. Secondly, it does not change a fact that there are no Tajiks in Khorezm. They just don't live there and never did. There are plenty of Tajiks in Samarqand and Bukhara but not in Khorezm.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon
you mixing things up dude,
soghdian language and heritage don't exists anymore
it went away like other iranian minorities they've got absorbed by persian(parthians, medians etc.)
tajik means they who wear the crown in persian
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Soghdian language still exists in Yagnobi dialect in Tajikistan. Majority of Soghdians however lost their language, mixed with Persians and speak Farsi today. Of course there is a cultural Persian-Tajik unity, meaning they share the same literature because they both use the same language. But it does not mean that their ethnic heritage is the same.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon who says that all iranians are the same
in east iran (khorasan) the people sepak a dialect that is very similiar to tajik
and they even look like tajiks
it's is True that part of afghanistan and tajikistan was connected to iran
called great khorasan until the europeans(brithis and russian) came and splitted it up
like they did in caucasus with modern day azerbaycan
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 And as I said earlier, it does not change the fact that there is virtually no Tajik population in Khorezm where this singer is from. Ancient Iranic (but not Persian) population of Khorezm got Turkified, mixed with Turkic settlers and formed Khorezmian Uzbeks of today. Farsi was never a language spoken by Khorezmi people.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon
ah yes so you don't know nothing about the khorasm shahs they were kings from khoresmian tribe but they got assimilated
Russia indeed supported anti iran politics :
they wanted totally wipe out persian language and culture from central asian and azerbaycan
read the history it was Mohamad Shah Khorazm who cutted djinghis khan's diplomats head of and send it back to mongolia... biggest mistake ever in iranian history
Kyan66 1 year ago
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QoziKalon 1 year ago
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@Kyan66 Lol Khorazm Shah Muhammad was Turkic. The founder of the dynasty was a Anush Tegin, a Turkic slave of Seljuk Turk rulers who was appointed a governor of Khorezm and later his descendants ruled the region independently. The names of some prominents shahs from the dynasty: Anush Tegin, Atsiz, Il-Arslan, all Turkic names. Its a Turkic dynasty that took over Iran later.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
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@Kyan66 Lol Khorazm Shah Muhammad was Turkic. The founder of the dynasty was a Anush Tegin, a Turkic slave of Seljuk Turk rulers who was appointed a governor of Khorezm and later his descendants ruled the region independently. The names of some prominents shahs from the dynasty: Anush Tegin, Atsiz, Il-Arslan all Turkic names. Its a Turkic dynasty that took over Iran later.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
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@Kyan66 Lol Khorazm Shah Muhammad was Turkic. The founder of the dynasty was a Anush Tegin, a Turkic slave of Seljuk Turk rulers who was appointed a governor of Khorezm and later his descendants ruled the region independently. The names of some prominents shahs from the dynasty: Anush Tegin, Atsiz, Il-Arslan all Turkic names. Its a Turkic dynasty that took over Iran later.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Khorazm Shah Muhammad was Turkic. The founder of the dynasty was Anush Tegin, a Turkic slave of Seljuk Turk rulers who was appointed a governor of Khorezm and later his descendants ruled the region independetly. The names of some prominent shahs from the dynasty are: Anush Tegin, Atsiz, Il-Arslan, Tekesh all Turkic names. Muhammad Shahs mother was Turkan-Hatun a Qipchaq Turk. His nephews name was Inalchuk, his best general Temur Melik. All Turks. Its a Turkic dynasty that took over Iran.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon you just should read Biruni
WHo was a native choresmian himself
one of the greatest iranian peots good bless him
oh yes all his works are in PERSIAn so you have to learn your ancestors language first you russian...
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 I've read Biruni, and the fact that Biruni wrote in Persian does not make him a Persian. Ibn Sina wrote his greatest works on medicine in Arabic, does it make him an Arab? Biruni was an Iranic native of Khorezm, a Choresmian. He even mentioned that roots of Khorezm are related to Persians. But they were not Persian. Biruni knew Farsi but he knew Khorezmian language too.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 The language of my Iranic ancestors from Khorezm was Khorezmian, an Iranian language belonging to Eastern-Iranian group of languages. Just like modern Pashto. Modern Farsi and old Pehlevi belong to Western-Iranain group of languages. I don't think I should explain to you that Pashto and Farsi are very much different though related.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 So Khorazm shahs should not be viewed as a dynasty that became shahs of Iran. It was more like this: The state of Khorezm conquered Iran and made Iran a province of Khorezm. The shahs stayed in Khorezm, their capital was there. If we view them as shahs of Iran might as well view Genghis Khan as shah of Iran. Both Khorezmians and Mongols were foreigners in Persia.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon LOL they made IRAN a province of khorezm it's like you woud say germany conquered whole europe and made it it's province you are so wrong
the problem is these people you talk about were savagers ,babarians with no culture or religion so they adopted the persian culture and gave their sons persian names(or arabic)
it's the same phenomen like the fall of rome when the barbarian defeated tome but adopted their culture
THAT'S THE ONLY TRUTH
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 I'm not denying the fact that Persian culture had great influence on Khorezm and the rest of Central Asia. But it does not make them Persian. And speaking of Turks being savage. Just because an ethnic group adapted a nomadic lifestyle which was optimal for geographical conditions of the region they originated from does not make them savage. A nomad does not build a house or a palace because he doesn't need one, its not practical when you move with herds.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Turkic nomads had their own runic alphabet, their own art, their own poetry, crafts. Not that much was preserved. Achaemenid ruins are there because they were built of stone. A nomad would not leave such a monument. Sure there are no math, astronomy, geometry etc in nomadic society. They were useles to nomads. The only tool of production a nomad uses is a whip, and a whip does not need improvement. It doesn't mean a nomad is a dumb savage, he just doesn't develop what he doesn't need.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 It's easy to boast rich history and culture when you have ruins of cities, and examples of art, weapons, pottery, jewelry burried in ruins. But when you live in a tent, when wood, silk and expensive furs decay, golden jewelry is melted by your enemies there is not much left to show. Thus for many centuries European historians had a view that nomads did not produce any culture. XX century archaeologists proved that nomads had culture, but old views are still prevalent among many.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon i accept the fact that nomads had their own culture too
but it's impossible to say that choresm shahs Are Non iranian because they supported the culture
if you think they weren't iranian because of their origin you r wrong because ever since ghaznavid turcs ruled in iran there were jsut turks to rule iran(even today)
but they did never consider themselves as turks ?.
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Yes they did consider themselves Turks. It did not stop them from admiring Iranian culture. Just because a Turk changes his clothing and lifestyle it does not stop him from being a Turk. Look at Timurids. Timur was Turkic, stated that he was a Turk on numerous occasions yet he was a great admirer of Iranian culture and so where his descendants. Look at Turks of Turkey, direct descendants of Seljuk Turks. They look nothing like their nomad ancestors but they remember that they are Turk.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon ah yes and which fact leads you tot his ???
IN FACT EVEN ottomans spoke farsi in their palaces
this whole turkic pride discussion startet with attaturks assimilation policts
he wanted to ban Persian and Arab culture
in my opinion these are jsut a bunch of lies
if you go to a ottoman graveyard
you can read a Persian poem
and It's a fact that Nowruz was celebratet in whole central asia and in the ottoman empire until this discussion started up
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Ottoman sultans new Farsi well and wrote poems in it. They also knew Turkic well and wrote in Turkic too. Just because they adapted parts of Persian culture does not stop them from being Turkic. In fact that's why I mentioned them in the first place. Their lifestyle, culture, religion, architecture all comes from Persians and Arabs. But they are still Turks and remember it.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon ok how about nader shah WHO WAS turkic too
or sooo many great shahs with turkic origin
they're all more persian than turkic
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Nadir Shah was Turkic but his dynasty can be considered indeed a Persian dynasty. They ruled from Iran and conquered neighbors for the glory of Iran. Safavids are a good example too. Timurids for instance were different. They ruled in Central Asia, conquered and ravaged Iran and her cities and took the loot back to Central Asia to develop cities there.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Nowruz is still celebrated in Central Asia. We Uzbeks have both Turkic and Iranic blood and admire the culture of both our ancestors.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Khorezmians did conquer all Iranian provinces but stayed in Khorezm. That makes Iran a bunch of conquered provinces of Khorezm. When Mongols conquered China it did not make them Chinese emperors. Mongol descendants of Tuluy son of Genghis Khan turned into a Chinese dynasty much much later.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon unlucky you've said before that khoresm was an iranian are and part of iran so the turks ahd to conquer it too...
it's unlogicall to say that khoresm ruled over iran when khoresm was a part from iran
Like saying ah yes wahington defatet the other states so yes they rule ...
You r proud of buchara and samarqand both of these cities were built by persians
and had they golden time under persian rule ..
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Khorezm was a land populated by an Iranian population. Iranian not in a sense that they were from Iran,but in a sense that they spoke a language belonging to Iranian subfamily of languages. They were not Persian. It was a province of Achaeminds for a very short time and was pretty much independent from Persia throughout it's history. Turks arrived there later and mixed with locals forming a modern Khorezmian population.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 I never said that Khorezm was part of Iran. I said that the population in ancient times was Iranic. Just because Tatars living in Russia are Turkic does not make their country part of Turkey. Bukhara and Samarqand were built by Sogdians, not Persians.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon lol Sogdians
AH sure so you really want to say that all of the buldings in these cities are pre islamic
ok ... hahahah
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Well if we speak about founders of the cities than we are speaking Soghdian. As far as buildings that are there today, absolute majority of them were build under Turkic rule. Timurids, and subsequent Uzbek dynasties. I'm sure many Persians worked on construction sites because Timur brough many slaves from Iran and Azerbayjan.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon samarqand raised to power under SAMANID rule
it was the cities were the turkish military slaves were brought to west to fight for islam agianst the crusades get you information right
samarqand and the samanids gain a fortune by selling turkic slaves
i did not want the discussion to get to this level bbut you started insulting me
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 No Bukhara raised to power under Samanid rule. Bukhara was a Samanid capital. Samarqand was a major city but Bukhara was superior. Now Samanids did a lot for the cities but most they built was destroyed by Mongols. What we see there today is mainly Timurid and subsequent dynasties architecture. Samarqand rose to power under Timurids. And please let me know where and how I insulted you, because I didn't mean to.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon omg timurids were mongols too so don't praise the because iT WAS them who destroyed your lands and raped you women
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Timurids were not Mongols. Timuris were from a Turkic tribe of Barlas. Barlas tribe did indeed arrive with Mongols and had Mongol blood. Timur however was an enemy of Mongols all his life. His campaings broke the back bone of the Golden Horde. Timur represented interests of the settled population of Central Asia not the nomads. The very sight of unploughed land enraged him. He was a champion of Islam and settled population and enemy of nomads and Genghis Khans heritage.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
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QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Now Timurid support of setlled population of Central Asia, both Tajik and Turkic did not make him a friend of settled population of Iran. He ravaged Iran but he elevated Samarqand and Bukhara. Wether we like Timurids or not most of Samarqandi and Bukhari architecture that is intact today was built by him, his descendants and subsequent Turkic dynasties. I'm sure Samanids did a lot too, but unfortunately not much survived from their work after the Mongol conquest.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 And Samanid Bukhara and Samarqand were not cities were Turkish slaves were brought to west to fight the Crusaders because when the First Crusade began the Samanids were long gone. Replaced by Ghaznavids who were replaced by Seljuks. Crusades began during Seljuk rule.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon ok maybe not for war against the crusaders then but they slaved them and selled them to arabs
ever heares something about mamelucks;)
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Oh I agree with you totally on Turkic slaves sold on Samani markets. We have no argument here I agree with it.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon ok i'm sorry for that one
the only thing i wanted to say to you is that you're praising the wrong side
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Please don't get me wrong. I'm aware what a nightmare Timur was for Iran, how much evil he did to Persians and Persian cities. Towers of heads, sacked and pillaged cities, people burried alive. I am very sorry for what he did. But from Central Asian perspective he did a lot of good for settled Turks and Tajiks of Central Asia because he ended the rule of nomads. He rebuilt what the Mongols destroyed there.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon look it's a fact THAT most of the scientists and poets came from these area
calles Greater Khorasan from Mashad to samarqand
for example (rumi,avicenna,kawarizmi,khayam, our beloved ferdowsi and even haci bektas veli)
this area was the pearl of iranian science and culture
all these took place before Mongol invasian so they changed everything blame them because they leaded your lands into unimportance
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 I agree with you on that. Except for Khorezm being a part of Khorasan. Greater Khorasan did strech from Mashad to Samarqand. Persia and Soghdiana might have been separate countries with different though related culture, but Arab conquest merged Khorasan and Soghdiana into one political and cultural entity. Cultural results were amazing, Dari was formed and it replaced old Soghdian language and gave birth to great literature.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 The reason I don't include Khorezm is because Khorezm was not a part of Khorasan. Even under Caliphate it stayed a separate region. If Dari (Farsi) replaced Soghdian language in Greater Khorasan, old Khorezmian language was not replaced by Dari. Instead it was gradually replaced by Oghuz Turkic, though old Khorezmian Iranic language could still be heard as late as 14th century.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Mongols were a disaster but I wouldn't say that they led our lands into unimportance. We recovered completely under Timurids. The reason for Central Asia falling into obscurity were the great geographical discoveries of the Renaissance period. New sea trade routes were discovered and the old Great Silk Road have lost it's importance. If before Central Asia was in the middle of the money flow of the world economy, when the routes changed so did our fortunes.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon when the mongol invasion started most of the tajiks flew to the wets
these people were the backbone of your cultur
and the places they've went to elevated in influence
for example Konya in modern turkey
were rumi went to
or isfahan in iran etc...
while samarqand and the east lost more and more influence iran gain more and more Savafid ... Asfharid and the last golden age of iran was in the time and after the new roots were founded ...
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Most of Tajiks stayed and still live in Central Asia. It was a new period after Mongols but we still have great examples of culture such as Jami, Nawai, Ulughbek, Babur, and many others from post-Mongol period. And Irans golden Age under Safavids and Afshars is really a decline too. It was a period of Iranian superiority as a power in the region, but scientific progress shifted to Europe and in the end both Iran and Central Asia had to be modernized by the West.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon jami is an exception under an timurid who was an axception too
shahrukh, the only timurid who i respect
by the way he made farsi the 1. language all over central asia
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 Shahrukh did a lot but his rule did not stretch much to Central Asia. He ruled Horasan from Herat. Central Asia was divided between other Timurid princes. I don't have much respect for them either. They destroyed the empire with their fighting each other. I do respect Ulughbek and Babur among Timurids. And of course Shahruh.
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@Kyan66 I really want to visit Iran. How is the situation there now if one was to travel there?
QoziKalon 1 year ago
@QoziKalon hmm i really don't know i was born and raised in germany
i think you need a visum to go there , or look it up in the web if you r really intrested
but if you was you i wouldn't go their you can see how a nations potencial is beeing supressed by a fanatic regime you can see how yound beautiful smart people suffer under theocratism it's really frustrating
Kyan66 1 year ago
@Kyan66 I totally agree. I'm a devout Muslim but Mullahs in power is a disaster. Bad for the people and for religion too I think, they give it a bad name.
QoziKalon 1 year ago