We turned against you because the future of the british people was at stake. We gived the french an option and they refused all the options given to them. It was war and everything that comes with war. We have gone to hundreds of war to save liberty and the british way of life. We have done some bad things and we have also done some good things. We have not turned against anyone and if we have it is for are own intrests. we have are way of life so do you.
@ajbrown100 . What a mascaraed. Did you forget the legendary brutality of British empire ? We have still memories when the british and US government killed a lot of our ancestors at WW2. What kind of allies were (are ?) the anglo-saxons ?
I am so tired of those sterile conversations on WW2 that are nothing but a "who's got the biggest" contest. Most of the commentators understanding of History is quite poor and/or biased and therefore irrelevant.
"France does not even merit a footnote compared to the history of Great Britain", open a fucking history book before reading some bullshit like that, you are ridiculous.
@CptFoupoudav Only just picked up this comment. notice you didn't address it to me. Only the French seem to think their history rivals Britain's. Noone else does. Nor does their culture or influence on the modern world. I repeat France's history is but a footnote compared to Britain's.
@66scampi So I'm guessing you're French or more likely, given your excellent English, one of those Canadians who think they're French. So you go open a fucking history book and take your "head out of the sand".
@66scampi Well, do remember that France helped the British run to Dunkirk. And yes, France has a history that rivals England's. Only, not as dirty. You see, French don't rape other country's territory. :)!
@Tyco200 Actually, the French did "rape other countries territory" or perhaps you haven't heard of the French Empire. See, the British and French were competing with each other to see who would claim the most land around the world and eventually ended up fighting over it (War of Austrian Succession, Seven Years War, American Revolutionary War, French Revolutionary War & Napoleonic Wars). That France lost does not give them the moral high ground.
@tokra4040 Why don't you take a tour of the graveyards in Northern France holding thousands upon thousands of English speaking peoples who gave their lives for your wretched country. Don't see too many French graveyards on our side of the channel.
@tokra4040 There is no shame in losing a war. Yes France only lasted a matter of weeks in WW2 and was militarily inept but it is the conduct after the surrender that is shameful. Collaboration with Nazism, masses of Jews deported with the full cooperation of the French police, the number of French military fighting against the allies on behalf of Nazi Germany in North Africa. I recommend you look at the Yale University lectures on YouTube that cover "French Collaboration and denial".
@66scampi Everything the French people did not collaborate, me knows the history of my country and the évenement of this period! Then certainly RAF and royal navy participated in your not invasion! But it's certain that your armed would never have liked in front of the Wehrmacht without the channels, quite for the red army would have liked without are winters.
@tokra4040 Also, France may have won many wars, but it will never never ever be able to compete with Britain in regard to military success nor in size of empire. France does not even merit a footnote compared to the history of Great Britain.
@66scampi Successul invasions of Britain since 1066 :
1066 : the French-Normans
1154 : The French Angevins (Henri Plantagenet)
1216 : The French Capetians (Louis VIII)
1326 : Isabella of France (A French Faction)
1688 : William of Orange (the Dutch, helped by French Huguenots).
Before 1066, Britain was invaded by the Romans, the Angles, the Saxons, the Danes, making Britain the BITCH of EUROPE. you got french DNA in your Veins.
@tokra4040 Russia only survived the Nazi invasion because of the British Atlantic Convoys where thousands perished in the North Atlantic, but kept on supplying the Russians with armaments so they could survive. The British also cracked the Enigma Code informing the Russians where the Nazis were going to attack them at any location & even what time.
@tokra4040, well done, some proper English there...Our geographical position?, a couple of miles across a channel?. That didn't stop England invading France more times than I care to mention. Besides, even if we were joined to France, Germany would have still had to get air superiority. Which they si
@tokra4040, haha, I'm stupid?, this coming from a Frenchman. Hahah. Go and suck on some frogs and get your White flags ready for the next war that france is involved in...
@MrDeano324 Rien d'étonnant venant d'un Anglais... Inculte et arrogant de son ignorance! Même pas fichu de comprendre que sa position géographique l'a seule sauvé.
Nothing surprising coming from an Englishman... Uncultivated and arrogant! The same wretched step to understand that his geographical position only saved it.
@tokra4040 I think the Royal Navy and the RAF had something to do with preventing Hitler from invading. And had Britain been invaded successfully then I doubt very much that it would have shown the same level of eager cooperation, collaboration, , and deceit that the French showed. The size of French resistance is a myth manufactured for the movies. Not forgeting the unbelievable ingratitude it has shown to USA and Britain and its Commonwealth in years since.
@tokra4040 Well lets start with constantly blocking the ports to England when your truck drivers have a moan and your government's reluctance to do anything about it; or your illegal ban on British beef products born completely out of self interest; or more seriously what about "Clouseau" De Gaulle's blocking of British entry to the EU in the 1960s. This is a man sheltered by Britain and allowed to take much credit for liberation even though he did next to nothing.
@66scampi Awww, blocking true comments, eh piggy? It's true. Without the French saving those cowardly, assholes, they would've been absolutely wiped clean of existence by the Germans! Dunkirk was a sad defeat for the French, and an unfortunate waste of lives to allow such bastards to run. France is a marvel. Britain depended on America for just about everything.
@Tyco200 How exactly can France take credit for saving British forces retreating to Dunkirk?! And Britain would have been wiped from existence without France?! Sorry but I thought that it was France that surrendered in a couple of weeks and established a Nazi collaborationist state that handed over more Jews than just about any other state and continued the war against the allies in north africa. Britain did not surrender but returned to help liberate France.
@66scampi -"The French held 7 german divisions in Lille during 3 days and thus saved at least 100,000 more troops in Dunkerk. England wouldn't have been able to carry on the war without this splendid contribution of the French 1st Army".
@66scampi - "Although Churchill had promised the French that the British would cover their escape, on the ground it was the French who held the line while the last remaining British were evacuated. Despite concentrated artillery fire and Luftwaffe strafing and bombs, the French stood their ground."
@tokra4040 Only a Frenchman could take any comfort from anything in 1939-45 period. Your country capitulated in days and collaborated with Nazism on massive scale. You have the nerve to call the British army cowards. The army that returned to liberate France that lost 400K men in the war losing 3000 men alone at the D day landings. Northern France is littered with the graves of British war dead from two wars. They died defending France. How many French war dead you think there are in Britain?
@tokra4040 History is clear. France surrendered and Britain did not.France collaborated with Nazism and Britain did not. Britain stood alone against Germany for two years before America or the Soviet Union entered the war. If Britain had thrown their hand in with Hitler, as Hitler was desperate for Britain to do, then France would be speaking German by now. I think the RAF and the might of the Royal Navy explains why Britain was not invaded rather more than "the sea".
@66scampi This is not the opinion of the historians dear friendly!! But let us pass, then to hold only in front of Hitler, the United Kingdom has the economic assistance of the United States, because these, although officially neutral, furnish it with weapons and with provisioning. Roosevelt obtains from the Congress in March, 1941, the vote of the law "Leasing", which allows him to bring an unlimited material help to the United Kingdom and to his allies.
@tokra4040 It is the opinion of historians that France capitulated and collaborated and that Britain fought on because this is fact! Your comment about borrowing from US is true but irrelevent. The S.U. also borrowed heavily from US but again fought on. Britain kept up the fight nearly bankrupting itself in the process while France cosied up to the Nazis. Without Britain Europe would have fallen to Germany long before the US entered the war. Europe is only free today because of this sacrifice.
@66scampi The Frenchman was a brave & steadfast soldier when led properly but the French leadership in the early years of the war was extremely poor - as was the British - & the Fall of France was inevitable due to the Nazi's superior preparation, training, equipment & doctrine at the time. Some Frenchmen continued to fight alongside Britain under the leadership of Charles de Gaulle & France provided around 320,000 soldiers after OVERLORD. So France should recieve praise in some quarters
@11nytram11 I agree with you completely. In any situation you can find acts of bravery by individuals that transcend nationality. However I am not going to accept a frenchman (tokra4040) calling British servicement "cowards" and "running like dogs". If I was French I wouldn't be shouting the odds too much about what happened in WW2. France as a nation has very little to be proud of not withstanding acts of individual heroism
@11nytram11 Thank you! What what I cannot accept of my to quote, it is that an Englishman (66scampi) decreases quite a nation for the errors of a generation managed by imbecile and immora politics l!
@11nytram11 Especially since this defeat results from the weakness and the illusions of England and from France, which to avoid the war to everything taken have some years earlier we left court to the lunatics adventure is overthrows of Hitler ending that by so many surrenders.
@tokra4040 Britain did not gain material from the US without giving something in return. At first Britain paid for the material, when money was no longer available the US took the British Gold reserve in exchange, then state secrets were exchanged for material, the US were given the use of British military bases around the world on a 50 year, at least, basis for Material then finally Lend Lease was brought in when Britain had nothing more to trade so Britain would owe the US for years to come.
@tokra4040 Why are you thanking 11nytram? He has basically confirmed, although done very eloquently, that you are talking out of your arse. You have called British servicemen "cowards" as "running like dogs" and "assholes" and you still cannot accept that France surrendered then collaborated with Nazism while Britain fought on. Then those same "cowards" played a significant part in liberating France. I haven't "decreased a nation" but pointed out the historical truth to a French ingrate.
@Kaiserbill99 Thankless???? Why France should it eternally of the gratitude? Do United States thus owe it to us? Then I re-knows our defeat and the collaboration of a part(party) of the population; but I refuse that our nation is judged on the only ones makes of the Second World War.
@tokra4040 Yes but as I said look at the language used by Tyco200. He is using very emotive language about British servicemen who at the end of the day, whether he likes it or not, died in their thousands to help liberate France. It is one thing to accept France's rather feeble performance in the war but quite another to have that kind of bile thrown about. It is Tyco200 who is the ingrate. (Kaiserbill is my other sign on)
@Tyco200 Have you not seen the thousands of graves of British war dead in Northern France you idiot! France surrendered and put up minimal resistance to Nazism until the allies were clearly going to win. Also have you not heard of French colonial atrocities in N Africa, and Vietnam? Britain accepted that colonialism was over after the war and began the process to independence voluntarily. France did the exact opposite. You accuse Britain of raping others' territory?! You are a joke.
@tokra4040 And without our intervention for your nation's survival, Britain would've been crushed like the pathetic cowards they are! So please, keep your mouth shut. It's a shame Britain, wherever they go, must kill, murder, rape, slaughter and then be glorified by their genocides! A Pity. :(!
It was a war and everything that cam with it, we have done some bad things but just because we destroyed the fench fleet because we were concerned. we gived the french a option of the feet and they refused, and we do not go killing inorcent people. It is war and maybe you should learn what war means. We did alot in world war 2 and the rest of the world took all the glory. We may have tortured but look at the rest of the world including the USA.
Yes you did bring the whole world into war. Because you cant defend your own country. Congratulations on being wimps. If Britain had the french attitude, we would all be speaking german right now. Thank god we actually carred about our country and the world and fought the hardest Britain has ever had to fight to defend this country from invasion. Thats what you should have done.
@677222 Shut up, you seem to don't have understand this story. If French generals accepted that, French Navy wouldn't longer exist. American idiot, fuck churchill
Fuck Churchill?, is that any way to say thankyou for liberating your froggy arses not once but fucking twice?. If you had put up even a fraction of a fight to defend you're shity country, the British and French fleets wouldnt have been in that mess. Do you know how many lives your pussy country cost in ww1 and ww2 because you cant defend your own fucking country. A french person insulting an American and a British icon in one comment. now we see how grateful the french are.
You knob. I was talking about the fact that you got invaded in the first place, hence bringing us into the war to bale you out, and brining us into the war meant bringing our entire empire (Canada, Australia, India, New Zealand ect) into the war And brining our empire into the war meant British vessels were a target. Subsiquently the RMS Lusitainnia was sunk. In doing so brought America into the war. Get where im going this time fuck tard? Your pussy country cost millions of lives.
@eikkkN france had backed out, they had given up which is fair enough obviously had no pride in their country. This was a sad loss of life's but a stupid loss what did they think was going to happen if they didn't agree to churchill ultimatum. Why fuck churchil? he decisions and your brave allies gave you your freedom didn't they? fuck you you rude arrogant french cunt hope you rot and burn in hell. I will never forget all who died in the war effort RIP
In history, there are many shameful acts. How many British MPs opposed bombing German arms factories because of the interests of British shareholders in the companies? How many British 'espionage' experts secretly told the Soviets our secrets?
It is better to accept that these things happened, and move on, promising to act honourably in future.
If only the French hadn't taken the cowards way out. The French Fleet could have sailed with the British Fleet. How is it that the French not only capitulated their land but their honour as well. Vichy will live in infamy along with people like Petain and Darlan. Military history shows that the French army also disgraced itself by attacking the British and Australians in the Middle East.
We realised long ago that you have never forgiven us for not being invaded! (And never will)Hardly our fault - why not blame Hitler for his poor strategy?Not convenient to think that?Who gave de Gaulle refuge?England.Who allowed him to broadcast to France?Churchill.Who gave the impression (for the sake of morale)that virtually all French were in the Resistance?Churchill.Who allowed de Gaulle to enter Paris first for the sake of morale?The Allies.Who sold their soul for US Arms?Us not you.
100,000 French were taken from Dunkirk (leaving English soldiers) to UK to form Free French forces.French Government demanded their return.This proved France cld not be trusted, so why believe it would not hand the fleet to the Germans to use in The Atlantic.Britain would have been starved (of food/armaments)& the war lost.British Admiral moved the deadline several times to allow the French to evacuate their ships.French Admiral refused.Roosevelt was impressed with Churchill's determination.
First your French is very good and only a dick would say: "Lol you made a grammar mistake there so your whole argument is moot". This being said, and to make things clear, i don't want england to be nuked or france going to war with england now. When i said we are ennemies i was just saying that comparing to the other european countries you are our "traditional" ennemies a and that Mers el kebir is unforgivable (but not unforgetable).
@solwen it still rankles me that the french navy were given a choice to fight against an occupying enemy.yet the french admiral comcerned refused, to me he was one of a few things, a nazi collaborater,a coward,or both, he could of sailed to another vichey outpost ,far out of the reach of the germans,it would still of been vichey , and that might of satisfied churchill,.the french navy was to close to vital shipping lanes going to malta and eygpt.to much a threat
isnt it the duty of a commander to fight and defend ones country , if he had sailed to gibratar and fought along side the royal navy, he would of been honoured as a national hero, mabbe he thought that britian would lose . what could the germans have done ,and if the germans had gone on to occupy vichey france , that would of been all to the good , take even more resourses from nazi germany ,and weaken other fronts
@TheMightOfTheEnglish There is one point of the Franco-German armistice the the French never mention during this argument (it has been going on for years) They never mention the little clause that "all equipment and arms surrendered to the German forces can be appropriated for use by Germany if required". Equipment includes,I should think, warships.
Same, i never said that i was a fan of the whermacht, kriegmarine or luftwaffe (BTW a thing i'm sure you are never told in english school is the fact that the French downed 2 times the amounts of luftwaffe planes shot down by the RAF during the battle of brittain)
@solwen Let me get this right. Forgetting, Aussies, Kiwis, Poles Czechs, etc , you are telling me that 13 French pilots shot down twice as many as 2,353 British pilots. I think you've been at the wine a bit.
@solwen Actually, you specified "during the Battle of Britain" And if,during the Battle for France,you Air force was so good why were you begging Churchill for more RAF fighters. Thank goodness Dowding refused your request.
@solwen that i very much doubt,, how could the french shoot down twice as many planes as the RAF , the french lasted 5 weeks after dunkirk, what french planes could match the 109 , the british and RAF were in the battle of france to you know and lost half its number
as for history, in our school when i was there , they more or less covered ,early celts briefly then from roman britain to gladstone and disraeli ,late 19th century. we didnt do any 20th century history,unless you took it for A level
@MrDeano324 , it did actually ,and it was a grammar school to boot . disgraceful i know ,had plenty of relatives in ww2 ,and 1 and palastine and cyprus and NI to know whats what though
The morane saulnier while not good as the 109, held itself well against the luftwaffe .The Dewoitine 520 was a very fine aircraft in 1940 , on par with the Me109 and better than the Hurricane (but came too late but still scored many victories).
Where did i say that germans were our friends ? They are no more our friends than Spain or Italy or any other country. But they are not our ennemies as england is.
To make myself 100% Clear to any French User's on here that attually have a Brain (& a attual understanding of Military History) i have nothing personal against you or France.
That said i will show none of the lying common mouthed Vichi scum any quarter for spreading Gutrot about my Country & our part in the War were we were prepared to risk everything & fight to our last breath while petan's collaberating Scum sold their honour & their Country to the Bucket Heads like cowardly degenerates.
So, Vichy leaders were tried for treason. That must mean they were looked on as pro-German. If that is the case, then how could we trust them with those ships. And check the trems that Vichy agreed to. Theres a little line that says any weapons or equipment(inc Ships) must be handed over to Germany if Required. You must be mad to think we could let that happen.
The only other problem with your statement is that I'm not frustrated.
4,5% of the French population died in WWI , most of them young males. Alsace lorraine was reduced to a moon like landscae. For England ? A mere 800 000 soldiers. It's easy to laugh at other country misfortune when your hiding behind a sea or ocean (away from the bombs and shells)
And as Kipling said about French soldiers: "War is their buisness and they do their buisness"
Even the best can loose when faced with overwhelming odds. It took half of the world to defeat a single country. So yes even if they eventually lost, germans were the best soldiers at that time.
Your foul language is your own undoing Vichy (that & your blatent dishonesty).
You french got royally served by a Neumeretically inferior Foe & without us you would still all be under the German Jack boot, if your too egotistical to admit that then that's your problem, just don't expect us to take you seriously.
Like it or not England was always saved by hiding either behind the channel or behind their "allies". No channel, prussians,austrians and russians: Napoleon kick england ass. No French, Germany kick England ass in WWI. No channel and french troops to cover your disastrous retreat in Dunkirk: Nazi kick your ass.
As the germans said on numerous occasions (especially during WWII): "English are fighting to the last of the French"
It's what i say, you're an ignorant and brainwashed fuck,rosbif fag. French losses are clearly written on WIKIPEDIA,battle of France.You should read, on the same network, Free French Forces, or 2nd Leclerc armored division. It's also written in many serious other books. But, as many Anglosaxon pigs, you're a brainwashed ignorant fuck. In many cases, German troops were respectful with French units who gave up, after hard fights. Only impotent Rosbif fags or incult US rednecks believe false craps.
Don't take anything i've said to "Camarale" or the other Bullshitters personally, i just gave the Lying Buggers what they deserve for speading made up nonsense & outright Lies about this subject & related.
Dispite everything i do not attually view France negatively & do not want a endless & pointless Dispute over a 70 year old incedent which should have been long reconciled on both sides allready.
This attack was a perfect demonstration of your perfidious race, prick. French fleet in Mers El Kebir was not in order to handle. So, it was easy to fire. It would have been an other story if the French fleet was in condition to reply. Thanks the Channel who always saved your gay asses, bunch of boasting clowns. You were overcrushed by Wehrmacht and SS divisions, in Belgium and France in 1940.
@Camarale It was the Frog army which was crushed by the Bucket heads not us (we were forced to fall back after your pathetic army was effectivly destroyed by a numeretically inferior enemy).
Your country let us down & you payed the price in return for your betrayal of your obligation you useless Surrender monkeys.
If you can't get over your own ego & that you're a nation of grandeu losers then thats your own fault frog.
And still Brittain was a former French colony (and French blood for sure improved the anglo saxon misbegotten kind) and without France, the US would still be a colony of the evil empire.
@solwen I would not use wiki if my life depended on it. And my education was in a time before computors. From elementary through university and career I have probably read more books than you have ever seen.
Look for Bir hakeim in wikipedia: a few hundreds french holding Rommel's troop for 16 day, allowing the english to regroup. This is just after Bir hakeim that hitler said that french soldier were, after the germans, the best in the world.
And yes there were a lot of "autonomous" french troops in the colonies. And they remembered the treason of Mers el kebir (look at the campaign of Syrya).
@solwen the french were a disgrace part from the resistance and the few free french troops, the best you say, germany was wide open, while the germans were in poland, and you french sat on or near the maginot line. you ventured forward a little but could of invaded germany ,that would of forced the germans out of poland, but you waited and waited, your army outdated and badly led, vichey french opened up on the americans landing in n africa, and killed british sailors boarding tthe surcouf
And what has England done when the german invaded Poland (apart from being kicked out of Norway)? And Mers el Kebir is the reason why US/english troops where shot by French in Africa (and when the brits tried to bord the surcouf at night)
@solwen you could say the channel did save us, but if we wer still attached to the continent, our whole policy would of been different, less navy and more army, and we would of rearmed much earlier to meet any german threat , the channel was 30 odd miles across, and the mighty german reich could not and did not get anywhere near invading , thanks to the RAF ,and royal navy, french police collaberated with the nazis rounding up french jews , nowt to be proud of
@solwen Attually it was you Frogs that betrayed us by letting us down, & then forcing us to fight the Bucket heads on our own in the Atlantic/Africa etc until the Japanese forced the Yank's to start attually helping out to any serious degree.
You Frog's got what you deserved & if you dont like it then Bugger off.
Besides never forget frog you owe your freedom to we Brit's + the Russians & the Yankees wether you like it or not ;)
Before to give lessons to others,look at yourself first,fag.You surrendered like schoolgirls to the Japs in Singapore.There are some videos on You Tube where you can see handsome Rosbif officers waving beautiful white flags.For Russians,i agree.It's tere that 80 % of German troops were crushed,in 4 years of ferocious fights,even if Soviets were crushed at the beginning, like all Europe was.They lost 4 million prisoners in the hands of Wehrmacht, but Anglo/US pigs never talk about.
@Camarale Show's what you know froggie (ie nothng at all)
At least we attually Fought the Japanese, you fat fopp's gave Indo china to them without lifting a finger, we Brit's had to get it back for you (just like your worthless dump of a Country in 1944).
Plus the Japanese Pilot Veterans that Fought Force Z commended the British Sailor's they had Battled against in 1941 saying "They fought well", you don't hear any such quote from the Germans on you lot do you?
I understand that the truth is harsh to read for an ignorant fuck as you, pathertic turd. The French didn't fought in 1940,prick ? They lost 100000 killed in 6 weeks of fights, and inflicted 45000 deaths and 111000 woundeds to Germans.They also shot down more than 1000 German planes.It probably helped you to not be crushed like shit, during your air battle, a few weeks after. Thanks your channel, useless boasting rosbif fag. Remember Narvik, Arnhem or Crete, too ? Boasting clowns.
BTW the "success" of the operation in Narvik owes a lot to the French and Polish troops. And speaking of language, It's funny to see that a lot all of the military terms (all military ranks for example) are French, proving again our superiority in warfare. And you can't blame Camarale or me for using "working class language. It's hard for us French to use grunts and snarls the english language is.
. I'v already told you the "The English are fighting the the last drop of French blood" german said in 40. I can also quote Hitler himself after the stiff french defense at Bir hakeim: "French are, after the german, the best soldiers in the world". I could also quote famous german officers who told in their memories that the hardest battles they faced in WWII were Monte Cassino, Stalingrad and Stonne (against French in 40).
They prefer to always bore us with DDAY, who was only 2 months. When German backbone was already down. Old French civilians above all remember entire cities destroyed under allied blind bombings,killing thousands of French civilians,asshole.And i remind you,ignorant Rosbif fag,that a new French rebuilt army fought on most of this war theaters after 1942.Free French forces were 1,3 million involved in Europe in 1945. More than British.Thanks Channel who always saved your gay asses.
If you are Japanese then you don't even have the right to talk about warfare. Your country NEVER won a single war (Even Korea kicked your ass). And French have a bad reputation to the people they humiliated like the Brits (and the people who are force fed their crappy culture like you).Do us a favor: Stay with the freedom fries morrons and continue to suck the anglos.
We would have gained our freedom alone sooner or later. And it would have been a far better thing that to allows you anglo scums to think you did anything good for Europe. My grandma always told me that they were more affraid of english bombers than of germans t: Usually rostbif bombs landed everyywhere (like schools, residential area, hospitals etc) but on their target.
(And Btw, Americans may have "liberated" us but we allowed their country to exist. So they still owe us a lot)
@solwen & we made you pay for butting into the 1776-83 War by Smashing your dreams of EVER becomeing the dominant global power (Which we were for over 140 years).
Where do you get this gutrot about British Bombers Hitting France? Utter Rubbish!!
To prove your Vichi Nonsense wrong when we Brit's Raided the German held port of ST Nazarre RAF Bombers had Strict Orders not to try to bomb the Submarine Base if it was cloudy to avoid Collaterall Damage (FACT).
7 years war won (again) by treacherous means: Aka with prussian blood and outnumbering the French in America 1 500 000 rostbif vs 70 000 French. Having a rightful disdain for the brits (and all the evil they did to the world from the opium war to Mers el Kebir) is not the same as being a Vichist.
About english bomber, just open a book. Allies bombing raid killed more citizen than german (just look at Calais).
When several of the British Commando Veterans of the ST Nazzare Raid attended a Memorial Service in the town years later a French Resistance Veteran said to them (& i quote) ....
"You were the ones that gave us hope".
You can argue with me but not with Historical Fact.
Tell that to the families of the 1280 sailors who were murdered by their "allies" while their ships were at anchor and not ready for battle. I doubt it gave them hope.
"Dear friend and ally, we're deeply sorry about the invasion - and equally sorry that our expeditionary force in Belgium were only good at retreating. Now, please be a good sport and blow up your own ships won't you? Of course, if you don't we will murder lets say about 1,200 sailors. Nice round figure don't you think? Cheerio!"
What a brilliant sea victory on the part of the british navy! 17 war-ships in battle order against 11 french war-ships at berth or at anchor. I guess the Admiral was rewarded with the Victoria Cross and had a statue erected as for Bomber Harris.
berssit , concidering your country was half occupied , and the other half collaberating with this nazis , tell me why the french did not join us to free your land,,all you had to do is sail to one of your colonies in the west indies, or join the fight , we could not take the risk of the french navy falling into german hands , hey polish free forces and the few ships that they had ,fought , i dont know what was up with the french commander ,blame him not us
the admiral, was following orders , no english sailor was proud, of what happend you sould of joined us, look what happend, and the rest of the french fleet scuttled later in the war , just think what your navy could of done joined with ours ,
We saved your butts in Dunkerk and in North Africa and you backstabbed us (again)
It's not like we had to follow your orders or something like this : You betrayed and attaked your "ally"so yes: You are murderers and the only ones to blame.
@solwen you saved no ones butts at all , out off 300,000 taken from dunkirk, 100,000 were french, who insted of staying and fighting another day, most went home, right into captivity , , also many british units stayed behind at dunkirk, and we lost 30,000 men, captured or killed, we had ten divisions ,you had 100 divisions, a useless maginot line, the nazis destroyed you ,easy,and if those british had not retreated at dunkirk, france would of not been liberated in 1945
Still it was the french wo were holding Dunkerk to allow the brits to embark. And you forget that the french soldiers who were lucky enough to make it to England, came back shortly after in Brittany to resume the fight.
@solwen what did you want us to do , let 200,000 british troops march into captivity , we did not attack an ally as vichey french , were collaberators , with the people who occupied your own land,, the war aim was to defeat nazi germany , just a shame your admiral and officers didnt have the bottle to fight , we were left with no choice , regrettable but neccasary ps look at the british graveyards in france and belguim, we saved your arse in ww1 and liberated you in 44, and you cant stand it
@solwen haha what a plonker,, auxilliaries my arse ,, we lost 800.000 thousand protecting your soil. it was britains blocade of germany that brought germany to its knees in ww1, we were fighting for your land while ,your army went on strike after verdun, as for the normans , they wernt even french, thank god, by rights normandy and half of france sould belong to us,, the somme,ypres,mons,pacheandale,jutland and so on , germany would of trounced you without us,we funded you to
@TheMightOfTheEnglish The English have never hidden behind the French, it's ridiculous to pretend that, and you're right to say it.
However RAF did not work alone. She can thank the French air force has shot down more than 800 aircraft during the campaign in France. Kesselring wrote that after 3 weeks of fighting in France, the Luftwaffe had only 30% of its workforce still in fighting condition. The Luftwaffe did not have time to rebuild before launching the assault on England.
@DuguesclinBZH the english have never hidden behind the french, what you on about, we can thank the french for little, the french air force shot down 800 aircraft,what with, you had nothing to match any german fighter, it was your own fault for not modernising when hitler started to rearm, it was you he had a border with, the maginot line only went from the swiss border and belgium , big mistake, , the german airforce still outnumbered the RAF in the battle of britain
Normans (as you call them) from Normandy. Normandie is in France, they spoke French and were vassals to the kign of France. Sorry we kicked your ass when we invaded you and we kicked your ass when you tried to invade us.
@solwen Euh mec, de toute évidence je crois que tu as du tout comprendre de travers dans la mesure où je suis moi même français, et que je n'ai jamais dit que les Normands n'étaient pas français...
It does not say "Maréchal Petain," because that Petain was stripped of his title of Marshal. Petain was tried for high treason and pardoned by De Gaulle because of his advanced age. Since Napoleon I, the Marshal title is not used lightly.
English soldiers have been killed in the Surcouf because the crew was in self defense. Violation of neutral territory (because France had signed the armistice, and was therefore neutral) and murder of a mechanical engineer, was killed because he did not want the French codes fall into the hands of the aggressor. Despite the defeat of 40 French sailors have not lost their pride, and attacks like those of Operation Catapult are war crimes (I think especially to Mers El Kebir).
@DuguesclinBZH as for war crimes half of france were responsible ,half your nation collaberated ,,from the police, who rounded up jews, to hotels and bars who entertained the nazis, to the women who had german boyfriends,mayors ,politicians,, pride ,what pride , armistice or no armitice ,your country was occupied by the vilest regime ever , any righteous frenchman would or sould of wanted to fight back ,to eject the invader,
@DuguesclinBZH if the germans had invaded britain, and the Royal navy able, they would of sailed to canada ,to fight on,not stay neutral, to fight to regain your homeland, not to sit it out and wait for others to do it, only the free french and the resistance can hold their heads up, it would of been simple to sail to gibraltar or britian, or away even out of german hands ,,to have a powerful fleet, in the med ,while italy had one to, was a threat that couldnt be ignored
The Normans were French. Indeed, the "Vikings" were a handful to have settled in Normandy. They have entered into the kingdom of France through the generations. The people of Normandy have not evaporated, they just changed their lords.
This is proof that the British elites are traitors. We know them as treacherous as "perfidious Albion".
For hundreds of years they have continued to betray their European brothers, and they do the same with USA now ( look at Wall street ...)
anasthase100 3 months ago
@anasthase100
We turned against you because the future of the british people was at stake. We gived the french an option and they refused all the options given to them. It was war and everything that comes with war. We have gone to hundreds of war to save liberty and the british way of life. We have done some bad things and we have also done some good things. We have not turned against anyone and if we have it is for are own intrests. we have are way of life so do you.
ajbrown100 1 month ago
@ajbrown100 . What a mascaraed. Did you forget the legendary brutality of British empire ? We have still memories when the british and US government killed a lot of our ancestors at WW2. What kind of allies were (are ?) the anglo-saxons ?
anasthase100 1 month ago
IF Bertagn had her guns trained on Hood, and was outside harbor, she would've matched hood. Fire control of the French were very good.
Tyco200 4 months ago
HMS Hood - Death Trap like everything else in the English Navy besides the KGV.
Tyco200 4 months ago
I am so tired of those sterile conversations on WW2 that are nothing but a "who's got the biggest" contest. Most of the commentators understanding of History is quite poor and/or biased and therefore irrelevant.
Moderator35 5 months ago
"France does not even merit a footnote compared to the history of Great Britain", open a fucking history book before reading some bullshit like that, you are ridiculous.
CptFoupoudav 6 months ago
@CptFoupoudav Only just picked up this comment. notice you didn't address it to me. Only the French seem to think their history rivals Britain's. Noone else does. Nor does their culture or influence on the modern world. I repeat France's history is but a footnote compared to Britain's.
66scampi 5 months ago
@66scampi So I'm guessing you're French or more likely, given your excellent English, one of those Canadians who think they're French. So you go open a fucking history book and take your "head out of the sand".
66scampi 5 months ago
@66scampi Well, do remember that France helped the British run to Dunkirk. And yes, France has a history that rivals England's. Only, not as dirty. You see, French don't rape other country's territory. :)!
Tyco200 4 months ago
@Tyco200 Actually, the French did "rape other countries territory" or perhaps you haven't heard of the French Empire. See, the British and French were competing with each other to see who would claim the most land around the world and eventually ended up fighting over it (War of Austrian Succession, Seven Years War, American Revolutionary War, French Revolutionary War & Napoleonic Wars). That France lost does not give them the moral high ground.
11nytram11 4 months ago
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Planetar17 8 months ago
....still wouldn't have got because of the RAF.
MrDeano324 9 months ago
@MrDeano324yes my friends! England was saved because one islands! Russia thanks to winters!
Later it is certain that RAF showed some courage and participated in the saving of United Kingdom! I know tthis
tokra4040 9 months ago
@tokra4040 Why don't you take a tour of the graveyards in Northern France holding thousands upon thousands of English speaking peoples who gave their lives for your wretched country. Don't see too many French graveyards on our side of the channel.
66scampi 8 months ago
@66scampi France won more wars than any other country in the world in the past 1500 years since the birth of France in 476 A.D
France built five empires, more than any other country ever.
1940 was a tragedy which England escaped thanks to the channel stupid you are!
tokra4040 8 months ago
@tokra4040 There is no shame in losing a war. Yes France only lasted a matter of weeks in WW2 and was militarily inept but it is the conduct after the surrender that is shameful. Collaboration with Nazism, masses of Jews deported with the full cooperation of the French police, the number of French military fighting against the allies on behalf of Nazi Germany in North Africa. I recommend you look at the Yale University lectures on YouTube that cover "French Collaboration and denial".
66scampi 8 months ago
@66scampi Everything the French people did not collaborate, me knows the history of my country and the évenement of this period! Then certainly RAF and royal navy participated in your not invasion! But it's certain that your armed would never have liked in front of the Wehrmacht without the channels, quite for the red army would have liked without are winters.
tokra4040 8 months ago
@tokra4040 Also, France may have won many wars, but it will never never ever be able to compete with Britain in regard to military success nor in size of empire. France does not even merit a footnote compared to the history of Great Britain.
66scampi 8 months ago
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@66scampi "There have been 53 major wars in Europe
France had been a belligerent in 49 of them; UK 43.
In 185 battles that France had fought over the past 800 years, their armies had won 132 times, lost 43 times and drawn only 10.
Giving the French military the best record of any country in Europe".
BBC History
All the arrogance, the ignorance of English.
tokra4040 8 months ago
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@66scampi Successul invasions of Britain since 1066 :
1066 : the French-Normans
1154 : The French Angevins (Henri Plantagenet)
1216 : The French Capetians (Louis VIII)
1326 : Isabella of France (A French Faction)
1688 : William of Orange (the Dutch, helped by French Huguenots).
Before 1066, Britain was invaded by the Romans, the Angles, the Saxons, the Danes, making Britain the BITCH of EUROPE. you got french DNA in your Veins.
tokra4040 8 months ago
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@66scampi "The French held 7 german divisions in Dunkirk. England wouldn't have been able to carry on the war without them".
Winston Churchill
tokra4040 8 months ago
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tokra4040 8 months ago
@tokra4040 Russia only survived the Nazi invasion because of the British Atlantic Convoys where thousands perished in the North Atlantic, but kept on supplying the Russians with armaments so they could survive. The British also cracked the Enigma Code informing the Russians where the Nazis were going to attack them at any location & even what time.
ALBIONTYKE 3 months ago
@tokra4040, well done, some proper English there...Our geographical position?, a couple of miles across a channel?. That didn't stop England invading France more times than I care to mention. Besides, even if we were joined to France, Germany would have still had to get air superiority. Which they si
MrDeano324 9 months ago
@tokra4040, haha, I'm stupid?, this coming from a Frenchman. Hahah. Go and suck on some frogs and get your White flags ready for the next war that france is involved in...
MrDeano324 9 months ago
@MrDeano324 Rien d'étonnant venant d'un Anglais... Inculte et arrogant de son ignorance! Même pas fichu de comprendre que sa position géographique l'a seule sauvé.
Nothing surprising coming from an Englishman... Uncultivated and arrogant! The same wretched step to understand that his geographical position only saved it.
tokra4040 9 months ago
@tokra4040 It's funny...I find exactly the same attributes here in France, tragic really.
tournon71 9 months ago
@tokra4040 I think the Royal Navy and the RAF had something to do with preventing Hitler from invading. And had Britain been invaded successfully then I doubt very much that it would have shown the same level of eager cooperation, collaboration, , and deceit that the French showed. The size of French resistance is a myth manufactured for the movies. Not forgeting the unbelievable ingratitude it has shown to USA and Britain and its Commonwealth in years since.
66scampi 8 months ago
@66scampi Of what spoken lack of gratitude you?
Without our intervention the United States would be poor of them English.
tokra4040 8 months ago
@tokra4040 Well lets start with constantly blocking the ports to England when your truck drivers have a moan and your government's reluctance to do anything about it; or your illegal ban on British beef products born completely out of self interest; or more seriously what about "Clouseau" De Gaulle's blocking of British entry to the EU in the 1960s. This is a man sheltered by Britain and allowed to take much credit for liberation even though he did next to nothing.
66scampi 8 months ago
@66scampi Awww, blocking true comments, eh piggy? It's true. Without the French saving those cowardly, assholes, they would've been absolutely wiped clean of existence by the Germans! Dunkirk was a sad defeat for the French, and an unfortunate waste of lives to allow such bastards to run. France is a marvel. Britain depended on America for just about everything.
Tyco200 4 months ago
@Tyco200 How exactly can France take credit for saving British forces retreating to Dunkirk?! And Britain would have been wiped from existence without France?! Sorry but I thought that it was France that surrendered in a couple of weeks and established a Nazi collaborationist state that handed over more Jews than just about any other state and continued the war against the allies in north africa. Britain did not surrender but returned to help liberate France.
66scampi 4 months ago
@66scampi -"The French held 7 german divisions in Lille during 3 days and thus saved at least 100,000 more troops in Dunkerk. England wouldn't have been able to carry on the war without this splendid contribution of the French 1st Army".
Winston Churchil
tokra4040 4 months ago
@66scampi - "Although Churchill had promised the French that the British would cover their escape, on the ground it was the French who held the line while the last remaining British were evacuated. Despite concentrated artillery fire and Luftwaffe strafing and bombs, the French stood their ground."
Walter Lord
tokra4040 4 months ago
@tokra4040 Only a Frenchman could take any comfort from anything in 1939-45 period. Your country capitulated in days and collaborated with Nazism on massive scale. You have the nerve to call the British army cowards. The army that returned to liberate France that lost 400K men in the war losing 3000 men alone at the D day landings. Northern France is littered with the graves of British war dead from two wars. They died defending France. How many French war dead you think there are in Britain?
66scampi 4 months ago
@66scampi Quite as the English people take the facts in their suitability!!!!!
You no never reconnaitrais the slightest merit in France... Nevertheless we have it!
Then it is necessary to take the events of time. All Europe has to collaborate.
Take a book of history and understand that 1940 was an error for France would be too difficult.
tokra4040 4 months ago
@tokra4040 The sea and the United States have has to save England!
tokra4040 4 months ago
@tokra4040 History is clear. France surrendered and Britain did not.France collaborated with Nazism and Britain did not. Britain stood alone against Germany for two years before America or the Soviet Union entered the war. If Britain had thrown their hand in with Hitler, as Hitler was desperate for Britain to do, then France would be speaking German by now. I think the RAF and the might of the Royal Navy explains why Britain was not invaded rather more than "the sea".
66scampi 4 months ago
@66scampi This is not the opinion of the historians dear friendly!! But let us pass, then to hold only in front of Hitler, the United Kingdom has the economic assistance of the United States, because these, although officially neutral, furnish it with weapons and with provisioning. Roosevelt obtains from the Congress in March, 1941, the vote of the law "Leasing", which allows him to bring an unlimited material help to the United Kingdom and to his allies.
tokra4040 4 months ago
@tokra4040 It is the opinion of historians that France capitulated and collaborated and that Britain fought on because this is fact! Your comment about borrowing from US is true but irrelevent. The S.U. also borrowed heavily from US but again fought on. Britain kept up the fight nearly bankrupting itself in the process while France cosied up to the Nazis. Without Britain Europe would have fallen to Germany long before the US entered the war. Europe is only free today because of this sacrifice.
66scampi 4 months ago
@66scampi The Frenchman was a brave & steadfast soldier when led properly but the French leadership in the early years of the war was extremely poor - as was the British - & the Fall of France was inevitable due to the Nazi's superior preparation, training, equipment & doctrine at the time. Some Frenchmen continued to fight alongside Britain under the leadership of Charles de Gaulle & France provided around 320,000 soldiers after OVERLORD. So France should recieve praise in some quarters
11nytram11 4 months ago 2
@11nytram11 I agree with you completely. In any situation you can find acts of bravery by individuals that transcend nationality. However I am not going to accept a frenchman (tokra4040) calling British servicement "cowards" and "running like dogs". If I was French I wouldn't be shouting the odds too much about what happened in WW2. France as a nation has very little to be proud of not withstanding acts of individual heroism
66scampi 4 months ago
@11nytram11 Thank you! What what I cannot accept of my to quote, it is that an Englishman (66scampi) decreases quite a nation for the errors of a generation managed by imbecile and immora politics l!
tokra4040 4 months ago
@11nytram11 Especially since this defeat results from the weakness and the illusions of England and from France, which to avoid the war to everything taken have some years earlier we left court to the lunatics adventure is overthrows of Hitler ending that by so many surrenders.
tokra4040 4 months ago
@11nytram11France of 1940 was not lucky to be to govern not Churchill.
tokra4040 4 months ago
@tokra4040 Britain did not gain material from the US without giving something in return. At first Britain paid for the material, when money was no longer available the US took the British Gold reserve in exchange, then state secrets were exchanged for material, the US were given the use of British military bases around the world on a 50 year, at least, basis for Material then finally Lend Lease was brought in when Britain had nothing more to trade so Britain would owe the US for years to come.
11nytram11 4 months ago
@tokra4040 Why are you thanking 11nytram? He has basically confirmed, although done very eloquently, that you are talking out of your arse. You have called British servicemen "cowards" as "running like dogs" and "assholes" and you still cannot accept that France surrendered then collaborated with Nazism while Britain fought on. Then those same "cowards" played a significant part in liberating France. I haven't "decreased a nation" but pointed out the historical truth to a French ingrate.
Kaiserbill99 4 months ago
@Kaiserbill99 Thankless???? Why France should it eternally of the gratitude? Do United States thus owe it to us? Then I re-knows our defeat and the collaboration of a part(party) of the population; but I refuse that our nation is judged on the only ones makes of the Second World War.
tokra4040 4 months ago
@tokra4040 Yes but as I said look at the language used by Tyco200. He is using very emotive language about British servicemen who at the end of the day, whether he likes it or not, died in their thousands to help liberate France. It is one thing to accept France's rather feeble performance in the war but quite another to have that kind of bile thrown about. It is Tyco200 who is the ingrate. (Kaiserbill is my other sign on)
66scampi 4 months ago
@tokra4040 It was not you that made the derogitory comments about English servicemen. They are attributable to Tyco200. Many apologies.
66scampi 4 months ago
@66scampi I write but myself!
tokra4040 4 months ago
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@66scampi -"There have been 53 major wars in Europe
France had been a belligerent in 49 of them; UK 43.
In 185 battles that France had fought over the past 800 years, their armies had won 132 times, lost 43 times and drawn only 10.
Giving the French military the best record of any country in Europe".
BBC History
tokra4040 4 months ago
@Tyco200 Have you not seen the thousands of graves of British war dead in Northern France you idiot! France surrendered and put up minimal resistance to Nazism until the allies were clearly going to win. Also have you not heard of French colonial atrocities in N Africa, and Vietnam? Britain accepted that colonialism was over after the war and began the process to independence voluntarily. France did the exact opposite. You accuse Britain of raping others' territory?! You are a joke.
66scampi 4 months ago
@Tyco200 I refer you to the Yale University lectures on "The Dark Years: Vichy France" and "French denial of collaboration"
66scampi 4 months ago
@tokra4040 And without our intervention for your nation's survival, Britain would've been crushed like the pathetic cowards they are! So please, keep your mouth shut. It's a shame Britain, wherever they go, must kill, murder, rape, slaughter and then be glorified by their genocides! A Pity. :(!
Tyco200 4 months ago
@Tyco200
It was a war and everything that cam with it, we have done some bad things but just because we destroyed the fench fleet because we were concerned. we gived the french a option of the feet and they refused, and we do not go killing inorcent people. It is war and maybe you should learn what war means. We did alot in world war 2 and the rest of the world took all the glory. We may have tortured but look at the rest of the world including the USA.
ajbrown100 1 month ago
Yes you did bring the whole world into war. Because you cant defend your own country. Congratulations on being wimps. If Britain had the french attitude, we would all be speaking german right now. Thank god we actually carred about our country and the world and fought the hardest Britain has ever had to fight to defend this country from invasion. Thats what you should have done.
MrDeano324 10 months ago
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@MrDeano324 "There have been 53 major wars in Europe
France had been a belligerent in 49 of them; UK 43.
In 185 battles that France had fought over the past 800 years, their armies had won 132 times, lost 43 times and drawn only 10.
Giving the French military the best record of any country in Europe".
BBC History
tokra4040 9 months ago
Répondre à cette vidéo...England has was safe that thanks to her geographical position of island, very expensive!
tokra4040 9 months ago
@tokra4040
Your comment makes no sense at all. Did you use google translate or something?
MrDeano324 9 months ago
@MrDeano324 France was not lucky to be one islands!
tokra4040 9 months ago
@tokra4040
It still dosent make sense. France is not an island for one...
MrDeano324 9 months ago
@MrDeano324 France was not lucky, as England, to be one islands!
tokra4040 9 months ago
@MrDeano324 You are stupid my poor man
tokra4040 9 months ago
Go Hood!!!
RobbieTyler1 10 months ago
The british offered the french safe passage to america and they still refused. the idiots deserved to die
677222 11 months ago
@677222 Shut up, you seem to don't have understand this story. If French generals accepted that, French Navy wouldn't longer exist. American idiot, fuck churchill
eikkkN 10 months ago
@eikkkN
Fuck Churchill?, is that any way to say thankyou for liberating your froggy arses not once but fucking twice?. If you had put up even a fraction of a fight to defend you're shity country, the British and French fleets wouldnt have been in that mess. Do you know how many lives your pussy country cost in ww1 and ww2 because you cant defend your own fucking country. A french person insulting an American and a British icon in one comment. now we see how grateful the french are.
MrDeano324 10 months ago
@MrDeano324 hahaha you still don't understand anything in history.
In ww1 45% of the allies troops were french, stfu.
eikkkN 10 months ago
@eikkkN
You knob. I was talking about the fact that you got invaded in the first place, hence bringing us into the war to bale you out, and brining us into the war meant bringing our entire empire (Canada, Australia, India, New Zealand ect) into the war And brining our empire into the war meant British vessels were a target. Subsiquently the RMS Lusitainnia was sunk. In doing so brought America into the war. Get where im going this time fuck tard? Your pussy country cost millions of lives.
MrDeano324 10 months ago
@MrDeano324 Oh yes, we bring the whole world into war! stupid reflection that shows your ignorrance on French history.
eikkkN 10 months ago
@eikkkN france had backed out, they had given up which is fair enough obviously had no pride in their country. This was a sad loss of life's but a stupid loss what did they think was going to happen if they didn't agree to churchill ultimatum. Why fuck churchil? he decisions and your brave allies gave you your freedom didn't they? fuck you you rude arrogant french cunt hope you rot and burn in hell. I will never forget all who died in the war effort RIP
andymorl 9 months ago
@andymorl This operation was just for capture french ships and for "britishized" them.
eikkkN 9 months ago
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andymorl 9 months ago
In history, there are many shameful acts. How many British MPs opposed bombing German arms factories because of the interests of British shareholders in the companies? How many British 'espionage' experts secretly told the Soviets our secrets?
It is better to accept that these things happened, and move on, promising to act honourably in future.
harryfaber 11 months ago
If only the French hadn't taken the cowards way out. The French Fleet could have sailed with the British Fleet. How is it that the French not only capitulated their land but their honour as well. Vichy will live in infamy along with people like Petain and Darlan. Military history shows that the French army also disgraced itself by attacking the British and Australians in the Middle East.
OnePractice 1 year ago
We realised long ago that you have never forgiven us for not being invaded! (And never will)Hardly our fault - why not blame Hitler for his poor strategy?Not convenient to think that?Who gave de Gaulle refuge?England.Who allowed him to broadcast to France?Churchill.Who gave the impression (for the sake of morale)that virtually all French were in the Resistance?Churchill.Who allowed de Gaulle to enter Paris first for the sake of morale?The Allies.Who sold their soul for US Arms?Us not you.
Insperato62 1 year ago
100,000 French were taken from Dunkirk (leaving English soldiers) to UK to form Free French forces.French Government demanded their return.This proved France cld not be trusted, so why believe it would not hand the fleet to the Germans to use in The Atlantic.Britain would have been starved (of food/armaments)& the war lost.British Admiral moved the deadline several times to allow the French to evacuate their ships.French Admiral refused.Roosevelt was impressed with Churchill's determination.
Insperato62 1 year ago
@Aenglaland
First your French is very good and only a dick would say: "Lol you made a grammar mistake there so your whole argument is moot". This being said, and to make things clear, i don't want england to be nuked or france going to war with england now. When i said we are ennemies i was just saying that comparing to the other european countries you are our "traditional" ennemies a and that Mers el kebir is unforgivable (but not unforgetable).
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen it still rankles me that the french navy were given a choice to fight against an occupying enemy.yet the french admiral comcerned refused, to me he was one of a few things, a nazi collaborater,a coward,or both, he could of sailed to another vichey outpost ,far out of the reach of the germans,it would still of been vichey , and that might of satisfied churchill,.the french navy was to close to vital shipping lanes going to malta and eygpt.to much a threat
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
isnt it the duty of a commander to fight and defend ones country , if he had sailed to gibratar and fought along side the royal navy, he would of been honoured as a national hero, mabbe he thought that britian would lose . what could the germans have done ,and if the germans had gone on to occupy vichey france , that would of been all to the good , take even more resourses from nazi germany ,and weaken other fronts
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish There is one point of the Franco-German armistice the the French never mention during this argument (it has been going on for years) They never mention the little clause that "all equipment and arms surrendered to the German forces can be appropriated for use by Germany if required". Equipment includes,I should think, warships.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@Aenglaland
Same, i never said that i was a fan of the whermacht, kriegmarine or luftwaffe (BTW a thing i'm sure you are never told in english school is the fact that the French downed 2 times the amounts of luftwaffe planes shot down by the RAF during the battle of brittain)
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen Let me get this right. Forgetting, Aussies, Kiwis, Poles Czechs, etc , you are telling me that 13 French pilots shot down twice as many as 2,353 British pilots. I think you've been at the wine a bit.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@SuperAncientmariner
Actually in the french airforce (before the fall of France) there was more than 13 french pilots...
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen Actually, you specified "during the Battle of Britain" And if,during the Battle for France,you Air force was so good why were you begging Churchill for more RAF fighters. Thank goodness Dowding refused your request.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@solwen that i very much doubt,, how could the french shoot down twice as many planes as the RAF , the french lasted 5 weeks after dunkirk, what french planes could match the 109 , the british and RAF were in the battle of france to you know and lost half its number
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
as for history, in our school when i was there , they more or less covered ,early celts briefly then from roman britain to gladstone and disraeli ,late 19th century. we didnt do any 20th century history,unless you took it for A level
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
So your school skipped one of the most decisive centuries in the history of the human race. Wtf?
MrDeano324 10 months ago
@MrDeano324 , it did actually ,and it was a grammar school to boot . disgraceful i know ,had plenty of relatives in ww2 ,and 1 and palastine and cyprus and NI to know whats what though
TheMightOfTheEnglish 10 months ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
The morane saulnier while not good as the 109, held itself well against the luftwaffe .The Dewoitine 520 was a very fine aircraft in 1940 , on par with the Me109 and better than the Hurricane (but came too late but still scored many victories).
solwen 1 year ago
@Aenglaland
Where did i say that germans were our friends ? They are no more our friends than Spain or Italy or any other country. But they are not our ennemies as england is.
solwen 1 year ago
A rather messy (& regretable) incident thats for sure, although it did show the US & USSR that Britain wasn't going to give up to the Nazi Desease.
As for the Nazi loving Garbage on here that speak ill of the RN?
the Vichy slime should do our Country & La France a favour & Gillotine themselves!
It would be good riddance to bad rubbish
(not to mention reduce the need for such generous Europian Farming Subsidys to feed the lying denegrate hitler worshipping pigs).
michaelfergusonuk 1 year ago
To make myself 100% Clear to any French User's on here that attually have a Brain (& a attual understanding of Military History) i have nothing personal against you or France.
That said i will show none of the lying common mouthed Vichi scum any quarter for spreading Gutrot about my Country & our part in the War were we were prepared to risk everything & fight to our last breath while petan's collaberating Scum sold their honour & their Country to the Bucket Heads like cowardly degenerates.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
in the battle of britain there were only 13 french pilots .
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
So, Vichy leaders were tried for treason. That must mean they were looked on as pro-German. If that is the case, then how could we trust them with those ships. And check the trems that Vichy agreed to. Theres a little line that says any weapons or equipment(inc Ships) must be handed over to Germany if Required. You must be mad to think we could let that happen.
The only other problem with your statement is that I'm not frustrated.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@Aenglaland
4,5% of the French population died in WWI , most of them young males. Alsace lorraine was reduced to a moon like landscae. For England ? A mere 800 000 soldiers. It's easy to laugh at other country misfortune when your hiding behind a sea or ocean (away from the bombs and shells)
And as Kipling said about French soldiers: "War is their buisness and they do their buisness"
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen So , the French soldier was second best to the German soldier who lost!!!! Ha ha, sounds about right.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@SuperAncientmariner
Even the best can loose when faced with overwhelming odds. It took half of the world to defeat a single country. So yes even if they eventually lost, germans were the best soldiers at that time.
solwen 1 year ago
Your foul language is your own undoing Vichy (that & your blatent dishonesty).
You french got royally served by a Neumeretically inferior Foe & without us you would still all be under the German Jack boot, if your too egotistical to admit that then that's your problem, just don't expect us to take you seriously.
Now do everyone a favour and Put a sock in it.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
French population in 1939 : 41 millions German population in 1939: 70 millions
"You french got royally served by a Neumeretically inferior Foe"
Yeah right ... Lol
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen Foole.
The German Army that Crushed the Frog Forces & rubbed it in by Entering Paris in Triumph was massivley Smaller & with less
Tanks & eqipment as well.
Additionally the Frecnh got served by a Enemy that had Ex-Chechoslovakian Tanks as a sizable part of its fighting strength!
Now do the decent thing & Bugger off you Intellectually inferior loser from a completely Inferior country of losers.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@Aenglaland
Like it or not England was always saved by hiding either behind the channel or behind their "allies". No channel, prussians,austrians and russians: Napoleon kick england ass. No French, Germany kick England ass in WWI. No channel and french troops to cover your disastrous retreat in Dunkirk: Nazi kick your ass.
As the germans said on numerous occasions (especially during WWII): "English are fighting to the last of the French"
solwen 1 year ago
It's what i say, you're an ignorant and brainwashed fuck,rosbif fag. French losses are clearly written on WIKIPEDIA,battle of France.You should read, on the same network, Free French Forces, or 2nd Leclerc armored division. It's also written in many serious other books. But, as many Anglosaxon pigs, you're a brainwashed ignorant fuck. In many cases, German troops were respectful with French units who gave up, after hard fights. Only impotent Rosbif fags or incult US rednecks believe false craps.
Camarale 1 year ago
To any visiting French Users:
Don't take anything i've said to "Camarale" or the other Bullshitters personally, i just gave the Lying Buggers what they deserve for speading made up nonsense & outright Lies about this subject & related.
Dispite everything i do not attually view France negatively & do not want a endless & pointless Dispute over a 70 year old incedent which should have been long reconciled on both sides allready.
Thank you.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
This has to be the best example of a North American Documentary i've seen yet
(even the narrator's accent is reasonable).
Although the footage is by in large of French ships on manuvers.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
The treaty of the 2 november 2010 is a mistake. Mers el Kebir showed that the british are traitors and we can't trust them.
glup2glup 1 year ago
@glup2glup Just like the French can't be trusted not to make a separate peace with the Nazis. Which they did.
elanxx 1 year ago 2
@elanxx
We had to choose the lesser evil and it was the germans.
solwen 1 year ago
@glup2glup Sorry dear chap but you've got that backwards.
It's you brie munching Surrender Monkey's which forced our hand & you got what you deserved for your Betrayal of us to the
Bucket Heads, Not the other way round.
We couldn't reley on France to flush a toilet, much less anything else.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
This attack was a perfect demonstration of your perfidious race, prick. French fleet in Mers El Kebir was not in order to handle. So, it was easy to fire. It would have been an other story if the French fleet was in condition to reply. Thanks the Channel who always saved your gay asses, bunch of boasting clowns. You were overcrushed by Wehrmacht and SS divisions, in Belgium and France in 1940.
Camarale 1 year ago
@Camarale It was the Frog army which was crushed by the Bucket heads not us (we were forced to fall back after your pathetic army was effectivly destroyed by a numeretically inferior enemy).
Your country let us down & you payed the price in return for your betrayal of your obligation you useless Surrender monkeys.
If you can't get over your own ego & that you're a nation of grandeu losers then thats your own fault frog.
Later La Foole.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
And still Brittain was a former French colony (and French blood for sure improved the anglo saxon misbegotten kind) and without France, the US would still be a colony of the evil empire.
solwen 1 year ago
This is what happens when you capitulate to the Hun....
29Gixxer 1 year ago
@29Gixxer very true.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
Gentlemen, the fact that Solwen says "look it up on Wikipedia" explains everything.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@SuperAncientmariner
I said "look it up on wikipedia" because most modern brit/us don't know that a book is not only made to look good on a shelf.
solwen 1 year ago
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SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
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@solwen I would not use wiki if my life depended on it. And my education was in a time before computors. From elementary through university and career I have probably read more books than you have ever seen.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@Aenglaland
Look for Bir hakeim in wikipedia: a few hundreds french holding Rommel's troop for 16 day, allowing the english to regroup. This is just after Bir hakeim that hitler said that french soldier were, after the germans, the best in the world.
And yes there were a lot of "autonomous" french troops in the colonies. And they remembered the treason of Mers el kebir (look at the campaign of Syrya).
The only thing that saved you was the channel.
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen the french were a disgrace part from the resistance and the few free french troops, the best you say, germany was wide open, while the germans were in poland, and you french sat on or near the maginot line. you ventured forward a little but could of invaded germany ,that would of forced the germans out of poland, but you waited and waited, your army outdated and badly led, vichey french opened up on the americans landing in n africa, and killed british sailors boarding tthe surcouf
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
And what has England done when the german invaded Poland (apart from being kicked out of Norway)? And Mers el Kebir is the reason why US/english troops where shot by French in Africa (and when the brits tried to bord the surcouf at night)
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen you could say the channel did save us, but if we wer still attached to the continent, our whole policy would of been different, less navy and more army, and we would of rearmed much earlier to meet any german threat , the channel was 30 odd miles across, and the mighty german reich could not and did not get anywhere near invading , thanks to the RAF ,and royal navy, french police collaberated with the nazis rounding up french jews , nowt to be proud of
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
That's why you should never trust the backstabing brits.
At least french got their revenge in Syria and Algeria when they shot hundreds of brits landing on the beachs.
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen Attually it was you Frogs that betrayed us by letting us down, & then forcing us to fight the Bucket heads on our own in the Atlantic/Africa etc until the Japanese forced the Yank's to start attually helping out to any serious degree.
You Frog's got what you deserved & if you dont like it then Bugger off.
Besides never forget frog you owe your freedom to we Brit's + the Russians & the Yankees wether you like it or not ;)
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
Before to give lessons to others,look at yourself first,fag.You surrendered like schoolgirls to the Japs in Singapore.There are some videos on You Tube where you can see handsome Rosbif officers waving beautiful white flags.For Russians,i agree.It's tere that 80 % of German troops were crushed,in 4 years of ferocious fights,even if Soviets were crushed at the beginning, like all Europe was.They lost 4 million prisoners in the hands of Wehrmacht, but Anglo/US pigs never talk about.
Camarale 1 year ago
@Camarale Show's what you know froggie (ie nothng at all)
At least we attually Fought the Japanese, you fat fopp's gave Indo china to them without lifting a finger, we Brit's had to get it back for you (just like your worthless dump of a Country in 1944).
Plus the Japanese Pilot Veterans that Fought Force Z commended the British Sailor's they had Battled against in 1941 saying "They fought well", you don't hear any such quote from the Germans on you lot do you?
Learn your place serf.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
I understand that the truth is harsh to read for an ignorant fuck as you, pathertic turd. The French didn't fought in 1940,prick ? They lost 100000 killed in 6 weeks of fights, and inflicted 45000 deaths and 111000 woundeds to Germans.They also shot down more than 1000 German planes.It probably helped you to not be crushed like shit, during your air battle, a few weeks after. Thanks your channel, useless boasting rosbif fag. Remember Narvik, Arnhem or Crete, too ? Boasting clowns.
Camarale 1 year ago
@Camarale Navik was a Victory attually you ignorant frog.
Plus your statistic's are at least twelve times what they are in reality, so at least we've assatained your a pathological liar.
Plus we don't need to boast, because it's a simple Fact that you Frog's owe us Brit's for not Kowtowing to the Nazi's like you Vichy Traitor's did.
Anyway: you don't see me using such common working class base Language as yours do you?
(which proves your Linguistically inferior as well as in warfare).
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
BTW the "success" of the operation in Narvik owes a lot to the French and Polish troops. And speaking of language, It's funny to see that a lot all of the military terms (all military ranks for example) are French, proving again our superiority in warfare. And you can't blame Camarale or me for using "working class language. It's hard for us French to use grunts and snarls the english language is.
solwen 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
. I'v already told you the "The English are fighting the the last drop of French blood" german said in 40. I can also quote Hitler himself after the stiff french defense at Bir hakeim: "French are, after the german, the best soldiers in the world". I could also quote famous german officers who told in their memories that the hardest battles they faced in WWII were Monte Cassino, Stalingrad and Stonne (against French in 40).
Compare it with your sucky "they fought well".
solwen 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
They prefer to always bore us with DDAY, who was only 2 months. When German backbone was already down. Old French civilians above all remember entire cities destroyed under allied blind bombings,killing thousands of French civilians,asshole.And i remind you,ignorant Rosbif fag,that a new French rebuilt army fought on most of this war theaters after 1942.Free French forces were 1,3 million involved in Europe in 1945. More than British.Thanks Channel who always saved your gay asses.
Camarale 1 year ago
@Camarale Where do get this gutrot?
Then again youre not the first i've met who just makes up rubbish to make himself sound vaugely credible.
Do what you do best & run away (its all you worthless frog's are good for anyway).
Besides since i'm attually Anti-American it shows how low you cowardly frog's are reguarded doesn't it?
Later GESU-BAKA!
(oh i forgot, you capitulated to the Japanese too ;)
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
Dear gonk friend.
If you are Japanese then you don't even have the right to talk about warfare. Your country NEVER won a single war (Even Korea kicked your ass). And French have a bad reputation to the people they humiliated like the Brits (and the people who are force fed their crappy culture like you).Do us a favor: Stay with the freedom fries morrons and continue to suck the anglos.
Regards
solwen 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
We would have gained our freedom alone sooner or later. And it would have been a far better thing that to allows you anglo scums to think you did anything good for Europe. My grandma always told me that they were more affraid of english bombers than of germans t: Usually rostbif bombs landed everyywhere (like schools, residential area, hospitals etc) but on their target.
(And Btw, Americans may have "liberated" us but we allowed their country to exist. So they still owe us a lot)
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen & we made you pay for butting into the 1776-83 War by Smashing your dreams of EVER becomeing the dominant global power (Which we were for over 140 years).
Where do you get this gutrot about British Bombers Hitting France? Utter Rubbish!!
To prove your Vichi Nonsense wrong when we Brit's Raided the German held port of ST Nazarre RAF Bombers had Strict Orders not to try to bomb the Submarine Base if it was cloudy to avoid Collaterall Damage (FACT).
TBC.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
7 years war won (again) by treacherous means: Aka with prussian blood and outnumbering the French in America 1 500 000 rostbif vs 70 000 French. Having a rightful disdain for the brits (and all the evil they did to the world from the opium war to Mers el Kebir) is not the same as being a Vichist.
About english bomber, just open a book. Allies bombing raid killed more citizen than german (just look at Calais).
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen Additionally.....
When several of the British Commando Veterans of the ST Nazzare Raid attended a Memorial Service in the town years later a French Resistance Veteran said to them (& i quote) ....
"You were the ones that gave us hope".
You can argue with me but not with Historical Fact.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
Tell that to the families of the 1280 sailors who were murdered by their "allies" while their ships were at anchor and not ready for battle. I doubt it gave them hope.
solwen 1 year ago
"Dear friend and ally, we're deeply sorry about the invasion - and equally sorry that our expeditionary force in Belgium were only good at retreating. Now, please be a good sport and blow up your own ships won't you? Of course, if you don't we will murder lets say about 1,200 sailors. Nice round figure don't you think? Cheerio!"
michaellee123123 1 year ago 3
What a brilliant sea victory on the part of the british navy! 17 war-ships in battle order against 11 french war-ships at berth or at anchor. I guess the Admiral was rewarded with the Victoria Cross and had a statue erected as for Bomber Harris.
BERSSIT 2 years ago 3
berssit , concidering your country was half occupied , and the other half collaberating with this nazis , tell me why the french did not join us to free your land,,all you had to do is sail to one of your colonies in the west indies, or join the fight , we could not take the risk of the french navy falling into german hands , hey polish free forces and the few ships that they had ,fought , i dont know what was up with the french commander ,blame him not us
TheMightOfTheEnglish 2 years ago
the admiral, was following orders , no english sailor was proud, of what happend you sould of joined us, look what happend, and the rest of the french fleet scuttled later in the war , just think what your navy could of done joined with ours ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 2 years ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
We saved your butts in Dunkerk and in North Africa and you backstabbed us (again)
It's not like we had to follow your orders or something like this : You betrayed and attaked your "ally"so yes: You are murderers and the only ones to blame.
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen you saved no ones butts at all , out off 300,000 taken from dunkirk, 100,000 were french, who insted of staying and fighting another day, most went home, right into captivity , , also many british units stayed behind at dunkirk, and we lost 30,000 men, captured or killed, we had ten divisions ,you had 100 divisions, a useless maginot line, the nazis destroyed you ,easy,and if those british had not retreated at dunkirk, france would of not been liberated in 1945
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Still it was the french wo were holding Dunkerk to allow the brits to embark. And you forget that the french soldiers who were lucky enough to make it to England, came back shortly after in Brittany to resume the fight.
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen what did you want us to do , let 200,000 british troops march into captivity , we did not attack an ally as vichey french , were collaberators , with the people who occupied your own land,, the war aim was to defeat nazi germany , just a shame your admiral and officers didnt have the bottle to fight , we were left with no choice , regrettable but neccasary ps look at the british graveyards in france and belguim, we saved your arse in ww1 and liberated you in 44, and you cant stand it
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Sorry but we won WWI while you were hiding behind us. In the first wold war you were only auxilliaries like the italians (after they changed sides).
Don't forget that England is just an old French colony that turned bad. We owe you nothing
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen haha what a plonker,, auxilliaries my arse ,, we lost 800.000 thousand protecting your soil. it was britains blocade of germany that brought germany to its knees in ww1, we were fighting for your land while ,your army went on strike after verdun, as for the normans , they wernt even french, thank god, by rights normandy and half of france sould belong to us,, the somme,ypres,mons,pacheandale,jutland and so on , germany would of trounced you without us,we funded you to
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish The English have never hidden behind the French, it's ridiculous to pretend that, and you're right to say it.
However RAF did not work alone. She can thank the French air force has shot down more than 800 aircraft during the campaign in France. Kesselring wrote that after 3 weeks of fighting in France, the Luftwaffe had only 30% of its workforce still in fighting condition. The Luftwaffe did not have time to rebuild before launching the assault on England.
DuguesclinBZH 1 year ago
@DuguesclinBZH the english have never hidden behind the french, what you on about, we can thank the french for little, the french air force shot down 800 aircraft,what with, you had nothing to match any german fighter, it was your own fault for not modernising when hitler started to rearm, it was you he had a border with, the maginot line only went from the swiss border and belgium , big mistake, , the german airforce still outnumbered the RAF in the battle of britain
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@DuguesclinBZH
Normans (as you call them) from Normandy. Normandie is in France, they spoke French and were vassals to the kign of France. Sorry we kicked your ass when we invaded you and we kicked your ass when you tried to invade us.
solwen 1 year ago
@solwen Euh mec, de toute évidence je crois que tu as du tout comprendre de travers dans la mesure où je suis moi même français, et que je n'ai jamais dit que les Normands n'étaient pas français...
DuguesclinBZH 1 year ago
@DuguesclinBZH
j'ai fait un reply sur un mauvais message on dirait ... :S
solwen 1 year ago
It does not say "Maréchal Petain," because that Petain was stripped of his title of Marshal. Petain was tried for high treason and pardoned by De Gaulle because of his advanced age. Since Napoleon I, the Marshal title is not used lightly.
DuguesclinBZH 1 year ago
English soldiers have been killed in the Surcouf because the crew was in self defense. Violation of neutral territory (because France had signed the armistice, and was therefore neutral) and murder of a mechanical engineer, was killed because he did not want the French codes fall into the hands of the aggressor. Despite the defeat of 40 French sailors have not lost their pride, and attacks like those of Operation Catapult are war crimes (I think especially to Mers El Kebir).
DuguesclinBZH 1 year ago
@DuguesclinBZH as for war crimes half of france were responsible ,half your nation collaberated ,,from the police, who rounded up jews, to hotels and bars who entertained the nazis, to the women who had german boyfriends,mayors ,politicians,, pride ,what pride , armistice or no armitice ,your country was occupied by the vilest regime ever , any righteous frenchman would or sould of wanted to fight back ,to eject the invader,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@DuguesclinBZH if the germans had invaded britain, and the Royal navy able, they would of sailed to canada ,to fight on,not stay neutral, to fight to regain your homeland, not to sit it out and wait for others to do it, only the free french and the resistance can hold their heads up, it would of been simple to sail to gibraltar or britian, or away even out of german hands ,,to have a powerful fleet, in the med ,while italy had one to, was a threat that couldnt be ignored
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
The Normans were French. Indeed, the "Vikings" were a handful to have settled in Normandy. They have entered into the kingdom of France through the generations. The people of Normandy have not evaporated, they just changed their lords.
DuguesclinBZH 1 year ago