Meat Eaters and Vegans Unite! - Transcending the Us vs. Them Mentality

[anyuisbjoern]

Do you still have this opinion. Thank you for this good points.

[brandishednail]

I appreciate what you have to say. I am a rancher and get alot of flac about my ethical choices in life. I have nothing against vegans or vegetarians. Nothing I can say will change the way they feel. To berate them is a useless waste of time. We can all live together. Maybe not eat together though. lol.

My biggest gripe is when I am called uncaring and violent. That could not be further from the truth.

I only ask that I am not judged when the person does not even know me.

[LloydChristmas777]

Excellent video. Good points and tips.

[LloydChristmas777]

I've seen arrogance from both sides, but let me tell you form personal experience: A lot of meat eaters take the cake on arrogance as they instigate with me. Just take a look online: a lot of meat eaters are immature, and make up facts as they scramble to hang on to their addiction, and don't forget the malice.

[natureasintended]

The Weston A Price foundation hasn't published studies up for peer review. Weston Price's findings were way different from what the foundation promotes. The longest lived, healthiest populations ever studied all ate plant based diets with very little animals (2% or less). The best example is the Okinawans pre-1950's.

[RawFoodFreedom]

Lol, you guys are out of control. If I were you, I'd stop listening to the obese folks at WAP about how to lose weight...

[ThisIsJackH]

VEGAN FOR EVER BRO!!

[82Bdog]

@hitssquad I was referring to your predictable praise of the eskimos and inuit. Yes the eskimosand inuit were shown to have atherosclerosis as was the masai who had a life-expectancy in the 50's. You didn't have to give me a link to gary taubes as I already knew you supported him by your posts. Mcdougall has debunked him more than once. As I said the longest-lived heathiest pop's ever studied ate high carb low fat starch based diets (rice,corn,potatoes,millet,etc­).

[82Bdog]

@82Bdog and the inuit,eskimos,and masai are not one of them. A whole food plant based diet (high carb,low fat) with out animals and oils is also the only diet proven to reverse heart disease in patient who were at advanced stages. Both ornish and esselstyn proved this in their studies. When will the weston a. price foundation or gary taubes publish a study doing the same. Yep it won't happen. Esselstyn's patients are still alive after 20+years coming from advanced stages of heart disease.

[BanginBrittney]

6'8"?!?! :O I wanna hug you! lol.

-You made some amazing points in this video and said a lot of things that I feel many people need to hear and think about, but I guess you gotta be open-minded to even hear that and take that into consideration. lol. Such a vicious cycle... Keep up the videos, Joshie :) <3 ~Seriously though, can I get a hug? O.o lol.

[RawFoodFreedom]

@BanginBrittney You're gonna need pretty long arms to hug me all the way from Texas! If you manage to get a little closer, my hug door is always open (to the right people).

[AeonBlue07]

Vegans > Non-Vegans

[RawFoodFreedom]

@AeonBlue07 I disagree. Veganism > Carnism, but people are people. The whole point of this video is to urge you to stop creating that false sense of separation, which is ultimately the same sense of separation that allows people to participate in the killing and torture of animals.

[natureasintended]

High fruit, low fat, raw veganism often becomes a passion due to its wonderful effects, which is why the (usually peaceful) passion is so common, lol. Love and peace with others is important to me also. I must admit it can be difficult sometimes on youtube when people want to heavily criticise a plant based diet...Love and peace for the win :-)

[natureasintended]

@natureasintended Admittedly, Freelea and Durianriders are very bold in speaking up for this diet / lifestyle. While there are comments of disapproval on their videos, more often people are questioning how they can go about the plant based lifestyle, too, so although the direct approach doesn't always appeal to me, it's definitely gaining a lot of interest and drawing people in, which is a good thing.

[natureasintended]

@natureasintended I don't understand the part about keeping an open mind about being wrong, considering the health effects and the avoidance of animal suffering and the destruction of the environment. I agree with having humility and compassion being most ideal though. Perhaps this is easier when keeping an open mind.

I really admire what a compassionate guy you are.

[RealRawResults]

Excellent video Josh! :D I don't agree with you 100% in terms of not thinking you are ever truly right. I definitely currently believe I am right in many of my beliefs. Some I'm not sure, but many I am. That doesn't mean I can't be wrong and change my beliefs though, so it's along the same lines of what you're saying. But some things are just wrong no matter how you think about them! The squinting was not bad at all either, didn't stand out the slightest. Great shot/background/everything! :D

[RawFoodFreedom]

@CdoGGx I definitely do notice that animal products affect people's consciousness. I think it's the adrenaline/stress hormones in the meat. Who knows, though? However, most people eat meat, and sometimes we do have to talk to them :). I agree that being a shining star is the way to go most of the time.

[InspiRAWtion]

Great speech and hair :-)

[RawFoodFreedom]

@InspiRAWtion thanks!

[frnknsns]

your insight is so deep...you always have a place to crash if you come to nashville !!...love, from tennessee

[RawFoodFreedom]

@frnknsns thank you!

[patryksky]

Harleys temper is gonna rise seeing this video

[RawFoodFreedom]

@patryksky lol, no way. In my opinion, Harley (mostly) speaks from a place of caring about other people, and is willing to listen to other people.

[hitssquad]

"Meat Eaters and Vegans Unite!"

What about fat eaters?: fathead-movie. com

[RawFoodFreedom]

@hitssquad Yikes!

[hitssquad]

@RawFoodFreedom "Yikes!"

That's an interesting response. How many of the myriad book that explain the health benefits of high-fat, low-carb, moderately-low-protein diets have you read? Zero?

[RawFoodFreedom]

@hitssquad Hahaha. Not liking your tone. But I will respond. I've read plenty of primal/paleo/SAD diet books, and find they are almost universally similar, and use very similar arguments, which I find to be largely weak and unsupported. If high-fat worked, why are people so sick, even those rigorously following these primal/paleo diets? It just doesn't add up. Fat food = fat people.

[hitssquad]

@RawFoodFreedom "If high-fat worked, why are people so sick"

Americans have been following the popular advice to eat less fat and more carbs. If high-fat animal-based diets cause degenerative disease, why do all the hunter-gatherer groups that have been studied that follow that diet suffer virtually no degenerative disease?

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"Fat food = fat people."

Given that dietary fat doesn't stimulate insulin release, how could it make people fat? ...And why can't Type 1 diabetics get fat?

[natureasintended]

@hitssquad "I have conflicting information that includes reports that Inuits suffer from one of the highest osteoporosis rates in the world, and that the Masai do in fact suffer from cardio-vascular disease, arthritis and osteoporosis (particularly the males)". No, I Don't Eat Raw Meat.

Eskimos have a high rate of oesteoporosis.

The body isn't functioning normally with diabetes. Sergei Boutenko and Robby Barbaro healed from their diabetes with a high fruit, low fat diet.

FAQ foodnsport

[hitssquad]

@natureasintended

No: westonaprice. org/blogs/2010/02/10/does-meat­-really-leach-calcium-from-the­-bones "There are two large problems with this theory: first, many accounts of the Inuit noted remarkable skeletal health; second, eating meat does not leach calcium from bone.

Did the Inuit, on the whole, really have poor skeletal health? When Price studied the Inuit he found not only nearly complete immunity to tooth decay so long as they were eating their native diet, but also a remarkable degree

[hitssquad]

"of muscular and skeletal perfection rarely seen among other peoples. When they began eating modern refined foods, the Inuit suffered rapid development of tooth decay and general physical degeneration, but the modern diets were no more or less acid-producing than their traditional diets."

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Another problem with that theory is the fact that what makes bones strong isn't calcium but protein. The calcium merely makes the bones brittle. We need the calcium in our bones, otherwise they would flex

[hitssquad]

too much. But the calcium isn't what prevents bones from breaking. That's the job of the protein.

[RawFoodFreedom]

@hitssquad Dude, you just cited WAP and lost all credibility! Owned. High protein intake increases calcium losses. Look it up on Pubmed.

[82Bdog]

@hitssquad What studies are you looking at? Because the actual peer-reviewed ones don't say that all. All the longest-lived populations ever studied ate starch based diets with plenty of fruits and veg. The okinawans had the most centenarians of any population studied pre-1950 and meat was on 1-2% of diet. Sweet potatoes were almost 70% of total cals. All the longest-lived pop's had the majority of cals come from carbs and were the healthiest. The inuits,eskimos,and masai are not one

[82Bdog]

@82Bdog of these populations. 

[82Bdog]

@hitssquad actually most people think they can't eat more carbs cause they'll get fat. It's like I told a girl I work with that said she doesn't want to eat potatoes cause it's got too many carbs, I said is it the potato making you fat or the butter,cheese,and sourcream you put on it. The answer is very obvious.

[hitssquad]

@82Bdog "I was referring to your predictable praise of the eskimos and inuit."

Please quote me. I didn't say anything about Inuit health other than bone health. That's why I asked what you were referring to when you said "the actual peer-reviewed [studies] don't say that all".

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"eskimosand inuit were shown to have atherosclerosis"

I didn't know that. Atherosclerosis is not a form of heart disease. The Masai don't die of heart disease, yet, as you note, they exhibit atherosclerosis.

[hitssquad]

@82Bdog Were these allegedly atherosclerotic Inuit on their traditional diets, or were they on the vegan diet that was later imported into their communities and which was associated with the onset of high rates of Western-type degenerative disease in those communities?

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"You didn't have to give me a link to gary taubes"

You asked me: "What studies are you looking at?". The studies are cited in Gary Taubes latest two books -- in particular, Good Calories, Bad Calories. Have you read it?

[hitssquad]

@82Bdog "As I said the longest-lived heathiest pop's ever studied ate high carb low fat starch based diets [...] and the inuit,eskimos,and masai are not one of them."

Yes. And then I asked you: "Did they have heart disease? Did they have any Western-type degenerative diseases?"

Why are you dodging the question?

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"the longest-lived"

That would refer to freedom from death *by all causes*. Are you trying to imply that diet influences rates of death by accidents and violence?

[hitssquad]

@82Bdog "A whole food plant based diet (high carb,low fat) with out animals and oils is also the only diet proven to reverse heart disease in patient who were at advanced stages. Both ornish and esselstyn proved this in their studies."

Why didn't Ornish and Esselstyn test for LDL subtype, and how could they come to the conclusion that heart-disease had been reversed *without* testing for LDL subtype? You don't see that lack of testing for LDL subtype as a problem? Why not?

[RawFoodFreedom]

@hitssquad Meat stimulates insulin release. Look it up, dude.

[figtreeze]

<3<3<3 YAYAYAYAYAY i love this vid so mucho grande! im going to keep those tips posted on my moms face... or close to it :) thank u

[StopmeatGoveg]

ur a southpaw?! *unsubbed* :P

[Kissadilla]

Ego is so hard for some people to get over. I don't openly tell people my diet for that reason. I know, I'm a pansy.

psst...Lefty vegans unite!!

[RawFoodFreedom]

@Kissadilla Yeah, sometimes the best way to be an activist is just to shut up and be your awesome self, lol. However, sometimes people are more receptive than you think if you can find the right inroad.

[squellium]

@Kissadilla lol I'm in the same boat... lefty, vegan and never talk about my diet.

[elfe1982]

I REALLY LIKE THIS VIDEO, VERY TRUE DEAR! LOVE FROM AARHUS -DENMARK :)