@MemoryPines ...the traitorous pro-muslim fools, digging their own graves. Well done ;))) after the muslims have used these useful idiots, they will dispose of them ;) and of us all.....moron.
@ZionIsInMyHeart How about the traitorous pro-Israel parrots in the US? I especially love the ones who put Israels interests ahead of the our own! All for a country who attacked our USS Liberty, attacked US targets in Egypt (the Lavon Affair), sold US provided hi tech weapons to China, conducts the most extensive espionage against the US of any "friendly" nation, Mossad posing as CIA to recruit Pakistani terrorists for attacks against Iran, etc...
He (Chomsky) talks about avoiding evidence but quoted no evidence I could check on. What is up with this? I can't ever find evidence to support Chomsky's rhetoric. It's empty to me, but I remain open minded to hear or see anything that can be revealed to me. Thanks.
@constructivereconcil He often says openly that he interprets what he reads, and makes sure to point out when he is speculating. Most of the time it's just inescapable logical conclutions. I read alot of the same stuff myself, and you really have to go through alot of various relevant works on a given topic. The sources or evidences if you like is kind of difficult to list as they are found scattered all over the place. You have to pile up everything you find and then make out what you can of it
@Tyrfingr "Most of the time it's just inescapable logical conclutions"
Inescapable? You must be joking? You mean HE says its 'inescapable?'
"I read alot of the same stuff...you really have to go through alot of various relevant works"
To be honest, I find his conclusions are very often Implausible & based in some inside knowledge he seems to have of the motives of all the leaders of the United States. He seems inspired by Howard Zinn, the epitome of the politically biased historian.
@Tyrfingr "The sources or evidences if you like is kind of difficult to list as they are found scattered all over the place"
He does the same thing that Dick Chaney got busted for; refers to his own publications. Just like Chaney was quoted in a newspaper, and then gives an interview saying "X newspaper reported" without revealing that it was only reporting his claims.
If the reference has more detail, that might be fine occasionally, but the threads are untraceable.
@Tyrfingr Actually a lot of his 1960s and 1970s claims have been totally refuted. The Soviet Union was NOT benign. We have all kinds of direct evidence, the politicians once bound by Soviet law, published their own explanations & confessions. For example, the Soviets admitted straight up to have deliberately lied to Israeli enemies that Israel was massing troops on the border with Syria. He stated that they wished to provoke a war that would increase their importance in the region.
@Tyrfingr If you ask some of the ex-Soviet politicians; "Was the Soviet regime an evil empire? They might hedge on subjective labels, but they have admitted to virtually all of the accusations once denied by Chomsky & virtually every other left-wing radical from the 1960s thru the present.
Western nations lie some times too, but Lenin, Stalin & many minions were absolutely evil, believing in the need for global conversion to totalitarian socialism. Chomsky claims the US is worse!!! Come on!
@Tyrfingr But you know, don't take this as a personal attack. I actually was totally empathetic to Chomsky for a long time, because I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and I have empathy for all people who suffer. The thing is that when I realized he was wrong about cause, I realized that he is not helping them in that way. You have to find REAL causes before you help anyone fix their problems.
It started with my search for which charity needs the most help financially from me?
@constructivereconcil 2/2 I did trust Chomsky for a long time till I had a chance to follow the evidence.
I finally started my search after I found allegations against certain charities for children. I wanted to know which charity needs/deserves the most help, & gets the best results for the $, then I'd share my findings. I believe with smarter help we CAN eradicate global food shortages. In the end, I found how much is wasted in Middle East on everything because of Palestinian-Islamic lies.
@constructivereconcil its enough to reply to some people to offend them i have noticed that myself. I don't care about opposing arguments as long as it's civil. But i would ask you not to assume so much about me based on some loose comment i made. I never said what my thoughts on Chomsky are, and im not speaking for him. I just tried to say that the sources have to be looked for, that's what intellectuals do. What one person reads in the records might not be viewed the same way by someone else.
@Tyrfingr "But i would ask you not to assume so much about me based on some loose comment i made."
Did I, or is that a preemptive request?
"What one person reads in the records might not be viewed the same way by someone else"
Agreed. That is why I get so annoyed at people who try to insist everything is so simple. The biggest objection I have of Chomsky is his gushing support for N. Finkelstein. That is not rational at all. It woke me up to Chomsky, & I started to dig further.
@constructivereconcil It wouldn't have been necessary for you to state that i shouldn't take anything of what you said as any personal attack, unless you made statements that might have that effect on some people. One of the assumptions seems to be that because i said what i did about Chomsky, i must be agreeing with everything he ever said including the Soviets. That's how it sounds like when you bring up topics that have nothing to do with the original question you posted about evidence.
@Tyrfingr "It wouldn't have been necessary for you to state that i shouldn't take anything of what you said as any personal attack, unless you made statements that might have that effect on some"
Yes, it is true that people take things personally when they shouldn't. Call it preemptive politeness.
IME, virtually every Chomsky defender bases their positions on subjective emotional factors. But his communications can get very personal & subjective, so the whole personality cult is atypical.
@Tyrfingr "One of the assumptions seems to be that because i said what i did about Chomsky, i must be agreeing with everything he ever said including the Soviets."
His politics are consistent. If you want to argue on some limited scope, that's fine, but my observations convince me that everything he says is based on earlier personal, emotion-driven yet coherent political beliefs, & advocating a particular strain of socialism. It all comes together for him, whether or not you recognize that.
@Tyrfingr "i must be agreeing with everything he ever said including the Soviets. That's how it sounds like when you bring up topics that have nothing to do with the original question you posted about evidence"
I must be confused because I don't know what you are referring to here. I'll just say in explanation about what I try to convey consistently is that I once considered Chomsky a sincere and courageous person who spoke out of empathy rather than patriotism, which is fine. But...
@Tyrfingr "i must be agreeing with everything he ever said"
2/2
But once his positions were clear in my head I saw things differently. Yes, he has empathy, but also a distorted view of history & current events, & seems fueled by emotion-driven beliefs that capitalism is evil, & uses a lot of superficial 1-sided arguments about "elites" through history. In short, he takes H. Zinn history as gospel & consistently attacks every aspect of the classes he sees as the elites.
@constructivereconcil Personally i never understood why people should take the side of any intellectual in the world for that matter, and Chomsky never made that claim so there's little meaning in debating wether he his completely accurate or partially, or false and untruthful. Chances are he is all of it, flawed as any person. They present their view and oppinions like any other citizen, it's up to people to take the necessary steps after that and look at the evidence and judge for themselves.
@Tyrfingr "Personally i never understood why people should take the side of any intellectual in the world for that matter, and Chomsky never made that claim so there's little meaning in debating wether he his completely accurate or partially, or false and untruthful"
This is confusing. Do you mean "solely on the basis?" Well yeah, of course. But this is what makes them so dangerous, how people react to their media sources. The whole thing is a mess not yet fully defined IMO.
@constructivereconcil As Aristotle put it "it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." And the keyword there is obviously "educated". People are liable to say or believe anything if they don't make an effort to find things out for themselves. So one shouldn't accept things 'soley on the basis' as you put it. I agree with Chomsky on the points that are self-evident or common sensual to anyone who hears them. The rest falls into the Aristotelian view
@Tyrfingr "So one shouldn't accept things 'soley on the basis' as you put it"
Is there any other way to put it? Interesting choice to quote Aristotle in making your point.
"People are liable to say or believe anything if they don't make an effort to find things out for themselves."
Yet that doesn't stop them from voting. This is why I consistently challenge people, to provoke & inspire them to find out the truth before they vote, & before they influence others by echoing false positions.
@Tyrfingr "I agree with Chomsky on the points that are self-evident or common sensual to anyone who hears them"
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I could reword that by saying "I agree with him when I agree with him." Obviously anything you think it self-evident is something you believe! Sadly, the common sense phrase is even more ubiquitous. If only good common sense was more sensible & common. I don't even think people consider what that phrase means.
@constructivereconcil The art of trolling. But you have to find yourself a more willing victim, i tend to tire and move on as im doing right now. Have a nice summer mate.
@Tyrfingr "Chomsky never made that claim so there's little meaning in debating"
What claim? I must be totally lost, because I can't make sense out of some of this. Nobody should be "believed' just because of who they are. The problem is that everyone agrees, when they remember to. But my concern is that they "Internet age" is connecting people with tools and access unprecedented, but our education systems have not prepared them to perform at those standards we both agree one should.
@constructivereconcil He never made any claim that he himself or any other intellectual should be taken as THE truthsayer and prophet. That's how people treat them all by themselves, in fact i often heard him say not to take his words for it but read and deduce things for themselves. The danger lies in people being lazy to the point that they simply rely on the information they are given from any source, because they believe it's accurate. The only preparation i know of would be independancy.
@constructivereconcil About being lost and confused. Now you know what i mean about debating on youtube. The message system isn't designed so that one can type out the full explanations that are required to avoid confusion. I usually never engage in longer discussions on here, i stick to forums for that. Or PM if it is really interesting or important.
@Tyrfingr I believe that you have your heart in the right place, & I think Chomsky does too.
During the Cold War radical movements in the West, the huge scale of propaganda lies got so big that I think what happens is adults have formative years when they feel they're finding out how the world actually works. If you spend enough of your life convinced of these things, eventually you stop looking for new evidence. He missed the post-Cold War revelations, including the complex duplicity of Islam.
@constructivereconcil I suggest you write a PM next time you feel like typing out a whole novel to a brief comment. All of your points demands 6 pages in return worth of replies. Youtube is too much of a pain in the ass when it comes to holding long drawn out debates with character limits that leaves a string of chopped up mess of posts. Either that or restrict your comments to one point at a time, otherwise it will become impossible to handle and keep track of the varied topics.
@ThePrideOfIsrael "Palestinians" of today...[are] merely a bunch of Wannabe-Nazis"
The problem is that it's counterproductive because most of them have been taught to revere Hitler, & furthermore, their entire "worldview" is consistent with Allah requiring all of these behaviors & beliefs that we hate. You need to recognize that only a few liars have polluted their education.
The Oslo Accords were intended to deal with this, & the tragic mistake was not requiring absolute compliance.
@Pride therefore we need to rally around the injustice of the Oslo Accords, their original intentions & the blatant actions of using Oslo as a guide to increase terror. They actually used Oslo requirements to validate the weaknesses of the Israeli psyche. In short, the West needs to start with Oslo, & consistently require that all Islamic states must comply if they want diplomatic relations with the West. I am not joking!!
100% compliance. Imagine a politician advertising suicide for children!?
WHY CANT WE HAVE AN OPEN & HONEST CRITICAL DISCUSSION OF ISRAEL !?!?! "academic courage to speak the truth when no one else is out there to support him... I would say that his place in the whole history of writing history is assured, and that those who in the end are proven right triumph, and he will be among those who will have triumphed, albeit, it so seems, at great cost."
@Dannyboy855 "WHY CANT WE HAVE AN OPEN & HONEST CRITICAL DISCUSSION OF ISRAEL !?!?"
I don't understand this. Are you really serious? I never take this claim seriously, because all I ever hear is criticism, repeating lies, and then this claim that any criticism of Israel is not tolerated. Sounds entirely like BS.
But what would you like to talk about? Remember that it must be true. If you (even unintentionally) use false accusations, what would you expect given the history of decades of lies?
@constructivereconcil HUh??? Was there a POINT in your comment??? NO ONE needs another biased pro-isreal propagandist like YOU spewing your utter bullshit then hiding behind the ever faithful ploy of accusing everyone of "antisemitism" ..... Let me inform you that NOBODY respects people who HIDE behind the institution of VICTIM-HOOD and guilt mongering
@Dannyboy "Let me inform you that NOBODY respects people who HIDE behind the institution of VICTIM-HOOD and guilt mongering"
Whoa, what planet are you from? Nice rant, but what is YOUR point?
You and MOST others simply were not taught to process evidence logically. You "FEEL" correct because like Oprah, you "follow your heart" or your "gut."
Did you know that most biased people are totally blind to their own biases? It's totally true.
You are biased. You use emotional shortcuts to "learn"
@Dannyboy "Let me inform you that NOBODY respects people who HIDE behind the institution of VICTIM-HOOD and guilt mongering"
I would tend to agree. How is it that we can apparently agree on values but totally opposed in details that involve objective facts?
This question has primed my sense of mission for years. I'm convinced that in the West, the extreme views are entrenched by preaching to the respective choirs, as in this place. You can't even articulate my point but I can articulate yours.
@Dannyboy855 If we actually had a conversation, you might learn something. All up and down this page, I have tried to have conversations, but you all shout past me using rhetoric gleaned from your co-coreligionists. This is totally natural to mankind. Cleave to your friends. Don't actually do any dangerous thinking.
All of you have made laughable assumptions about me. I don't even know any Jews. My involvement is purely from theoretical & real world evidence driving my positions about justice.
@Dannyboy855 Look at my channel, and I have close to 100 hours of documentary evidence. I can articulate very precisely what this "clash of civilizations" is. I can tell you the salient points in history that should be considered in Middle Eastern politics. None of you realize you contradict your own values by arguing for an anarchist and against liberal democracy. Oh well. You all know where to find me, but you will hide forever behind your ignorance, knowing you have friends to comfort you.
@constructivereconcil Hey WEIRDO, you can have allllll your "data" and your fruity little channel BUT when it boils down to it its still just your OPINION and you are still influenced by your own little bias, agenda, life experience and loyalty etc etc etc.
I offer no opion, I just ask for an OPEN & HONEST discussion of israel and jews with out the ever-faithful "everybody is an anti semite" escape hatch...
No kidding Sherlock. It's my biases, opinion, & supported by my evidence. Whatever you consider fruity is meaningless to me or anyone else who votes, so you don't worry me in the slightest.
"I offer no opion, I just ask for an OPEN & HONEST discussion of israel and jews with out the ever-faithful "everybody is an anti semite" escape hatch"
How does that apply here? Who is stopping you? No one. You make no sense. It's called a straw man argument.
@constructivereconcil Straw man? Get your "logical fallacies" right you pseudo intellectual douche bag!!! Where did I incorrectly restate your point in order to make it easier to defeat? Nobody is interested in debating you or your agenda.My point is that we NEED an open & honest debate in the PUBLIC MEDIA, on college campuses, in newspapers, on TV etc. We dont need groups like C.A.M.E.R.A & Aipac stifling free speech and only furthering israel, and their agent's ,self serving agenda
@Dannyboy855 A straw man is any false argument used so that you easily "knock it over" Elements are "false" and "weak" usually deliberately so.
See, think about straw. It's easy to manipulate. Build a straw man, this is a synthetic structure used to bluff. The object is often to strike it down, if that was the intention. I'm perfectly happy with my usage. Talk about pedantic assholes, not so nice to meet you, jackass. You read an article and think you have the definitive answer. Poor kid.
@Dannyboy "we NEED an open & honest debate in the PUBLIC MEDIA, on college campuses, in newspapers, on TV"
I can't see anywhere that you or anyone has been unable to make their arguments. You just can't stand it when it turns out the complaint is invalid. You see, YOU failed in the "honest & open" aspect. If you don't have your facts straight, we will climb down your throat just as you try to climb down the throats of your targets. It never occurred to you that you're repeating lies? Pathetic.
@Dannyboy "open & honest debate in the PUBLIC MEDIA, on college campuses, in newspapers, on TV"
It's stunning to me just how stupid your statements are. I have to ask, is he that stupid, or that much in love with totalitarian religions that hate Judeo Christianity? Because you claiming that universities as 1 example, which are virtually shut down to any pro-democracy speaker by Muslim unions like organized crime families or street gangs. Don't then have 'apartheid week" all based on lies? Yes.
@Dannyboy "We dont need groups like C.A.M.E.R.A & Aipac stifling free speech"
A rebuttal is stifling free speech? Ex-presidents are payed millions each year to pursue the interests of the House of Saud, & you are convinced that grass roots organizations, formed by US citizens who believe in morality, & that they have taken the high moral road so to speak, but you object because your brain does not operate well enough to understand your own beliefs. I hope you haven't been to college yet.
@Dannyboy So danny boy, in all of your spasmodic attacks, I think you forgot to explain where these unrighteous acts are taking place? Do you mean to say, that your entire case is based on:
"groups like C.A.M.E.R.A & Aipac stifling free speech and only furthering israel, and their agent's, self serving agenda"
You're worried about the House of Saud et al. getting even more influence in the US? You don't sound like an Islamic imperialist, then you must be a dupe, based on *your* agenda.
@Dannyboy "YOU spewing your utter bullshit then hiding behind the ever faithful ploy of accusing everyone of "antisemitism"
I'm going to help you with one more thing & then I need to move on. What happens is that people genuinely believe in certain canards, & when the advocate these positions, they are some times attacked as antisemites because some people forget that no matter how many liars there are, some will believe those lies. That is not antisemitism, but it serves the Jew-hater agenda.
@Dannyboy855 So the bottom line is that you are creating your own victim-hood, but must not be able to see it. It's funny when I laugh at people like you, the irony of (you) claiming victim-hood from the alleged actions of others who you assert claim victim-hood.
"Let me inform you that NOBODY respects people who HIDE behind the institution of VICTIM-HOOD and guilt mongering"
@constructivereconcil WOW, I must have really hurt your delicate little feelings.Why else would you feel the need to write 7 paragraphs in response to my 1. Clearly you are an obsessive nutjob, and like ALL crackpots ,you just need to be given enough rope to hang yourself with.
As for your meritless , self serving "points" I shall defer to the book "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" .You blow smoke and hope that you fool people...but your tactics are lost on the educated & informed.
@Dannyboy855 "As for your meritless , self serving "points""
[Rolls eyes] Actually, you have no clue what serves my interests. My interests have never been discussed here. Whatever emotions you read in to any of this are really all about you. You must be so narcissistic you don't understand when others make decisions based on morality rather than self-interest.
@constructivereconcil I guess you can add "amateur psychologist" to your impressive resume :)
As for "refuting" The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy ...ahhhh yes , the obligatory "anti semitism" dismissals by the rank & file accusers: Dershowitz, a handful of jewish professors, the ADL, and the rest of the pro-israel propagandists who refute none of the facts but are once again reduced to playing the "anti semite" card.
May I ask if you or your parents or grandparents were/are jews?
@Dannyboy855 , "the obligatory "anti semitism" dismissals by the rank & file accusers"
I see you making canned responses. You're really quite typical.
"if you or your parents or grandparents were/are jews?"
I don't even know any. I have no personal connection at all. It is the single most costly problem, taking resources away from i.e. Africa, where simple things like clean water problems should have been eradicated from human history. Billions on precision weapons rather than clean water.
When I think of all the narcissistic assholes clouding the discourse with knee-jerk responses, acting like they know all there is, echoing bullshit like you, not even realizing YOU are contributing to global poverty & disease by helping divide Western political leaders & helping Islamic imperialists to continue Jihad - Just like the Soviets assumed Vietnam created opportunities, the discord in the West inspires Islamic imperialism & their global caliphate aspirations - it makes me puke.
@Dannyboy For crying out loud, haven't you even heard of OPEC? House of Saud? Petro-dollars - just a fantasy eh? The religion of peace? Ever notice the billions of Muslims? If every Jew on the planet lobbied Congress, then what? Ever hear of the "Elders of Zion?" Sitting right next to your other favorite books. Not all criticism is anti-Semitic, simply because 1 of the consequences of spending billions on lies is that many will believe it. So rather than a bigot, you are probably just stupid.
@constructivereconcil It is a weak tactic to try and align The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy with the "Elders of Zion" .... Please justify why the USA gives more foreign aid to Israel than ANY other country.....And the foreign aid given is spent, unchecked , by israel for ANYTHING it wants...weapons, building settlements, or buying US treasury bills and actually EARNING interest on its free US handout at the cost of American taxpayers...israels interests are for itself and itself only
@Dannyboy855 "It is a weak tactic to try and align The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy with the "Elders of Zion"
Well your declarations are so powerful, what can I do now? You've tried every "tactic" while I simple answer your hysterical accusations against both me personally (as if I care) and against what you keep trying out as supposed "embarrassments." I'm only analyzing what you say. You make blanket statements, like simply referring to a single book title.
@Dannyboy855 ."And the foreign aid given is spent, unchecked , by israel for ANYTHING it wants...weapons, building settlements,"
"Settlements" and "Elders of Zion." If you don't even understand your own trap you fell in, it just makes me laugh even harder. Nice job on character assassination. It really appeals to all the other bigots, who already hate Jews. So what have you accomplished? You unmasked the weakness of your allegations. What evidence? A book title. Whoa.
@Dannyboy "buying US treasury bills and actually EARNING interest on its free US handout at the cost of American taxpayers"
Now you're an economist? Dang, you know, since my life is all about me and my "self interest," let's forget the Jews and the bigots, and you can tell me how to get rich, knowing so much about, well, everything.
The most foreign aid? By what measure? Hmm? Surely, you know what currency perhaps? Or is this something other than cash? How did you calculate this? You didn't.
@Dannyboy855 "..israels interests are for itself and itself only"
Well yeah, I mean they're fucking Jews, what do you expect?
By the way, what have you been up to lately? Those Jews are pretending to care with aid programs & they try to mimic Christians, talking about peace and all that, but we know, they'll still be Jews! As soon as they got sovereignty, they got arrogant!
You're in so far over your head, you may not be smart enough to ever understand, but these statements will last forever.
@Dannyboy855 " ...And the foreign aid given is spent, unchecked , by israel for ANYTHING it wants...weapons"
What a fucking dumbass. Ok, so first you complain because of "war crimes" by evidence of collateral damage, but when Congress funds precision weapons in order to accomplish many admirable things *under the circumstances,* you blame the victims for caring so much about collateral damage, because it never occurred to you to understand the facts underneath your slurs.
@Dan I mean, you totally hung yourself. You used all of the cliches, not realizing the trap you fell in.
Let's see, tons of money, fighting terrorism, weapons spending - I say; kill them all with the cheapest methods possible, so no survivors can allege war crimes, & *we* will have saved a lot of money, to give instead to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, & any others we need to appease, but we can still blame Israel, because it is so clearly beyond the need for evidence. I know, I have the book.
@Dannyboy855 But wait, I seem to forget where you came up with this evidence, you know, that 12 million Jews have overcome the slight obstacle of 1.5 billion Muslims, many of whom sit on oil reserves that gives them some measure of influence, not to mention the Saudi tithing, whereby 10% of revenues goes to madras, or some Islamic beneficiary.
What happened? You said " I shall defer to the book "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" and I asked what you used to authenticate or confirm that
What happened? You said " I shall defer to the book "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" and I asked what you used to authenticate or confirm that after listing some of the Israeli influences, I mean who opposes this? Nobody? Ever wonder if some people might stand up for Israel after, the OPEC debacles? That alone trivializes the entire global population of Jews.
Math is NOT your strong point, obviously, neither economics or even social studies. What is your expertise anyway?
Who said this; "To accept or not to accept, tell them to go to Hell!"?
I need to go through all of this crap, and perhaps I will cleanly summarize your accusations, & the evidence provided so far. I know there's a book title..where is the rest of it?
@Dannyboy855 "It is a weak tactic to try and align The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy with the "Elders of Zion"
Totally appropriate. The title alone is a canard, implying that all those who lobby for Israel do so out of self-interest (& those are your words), coordinated as a coherent entity. Guess what? You couldn't be more wrong. I can name over a dozen grass roots organizations populated by Americans with a conscience, most of whom believe in liberal democracy. I suppose you don't?
It's getting ridiculous here. At least come back to your allegations you already made, so that we can summarize your pitiful narrative. Please summarize your arguments. If not, let's make an agreement when you will be done with new accusations. Once I know you are done, I can more clearly consolidate my rebuttal.
But you know, it's not like there are any secrets I keep, I wonder if you bothered to look at the documentary collection I have, using leftist sources to show Israel's case?
@constructivereconcil ". The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times"
Respected by you. You posted this in at least 5 places, so I will reiterate what I said in the other locations; Avi is a "house nigger." His history is blatantly revisionist, in fact him and a few others are proud of this accomplishment, others call it more accurate, counter-culture history. Even Howard Zinn admits they are political rather than historical positions. But as the tall dark & handsome, educated & informed boy, you knew that.
@constructivereconcil Hey COWARD, shouldnt you be off blocking people from commenting on your pro-israel propaganda videos & channel? You are a scared little wimp hoping that you can fool people with your LIES and blind nonsense...But NOBODY is fooled....keep spreading your lies and you and your fellow cowards will just make people hate and lose even more respect for israel. You actually do jews and israel disservice with your clandestine cowardice...SO keep up the good work you WIMP !!! :)
@Dannyboy855 "spent...by israel for ANYTHING it wants"
Your delusional rhetoric is pointless, just preaching to your own choir. If you cared about any of those issues, you'd have facts rather than a collection of reverberating slurs. You know they poison water too, right? Last year they trained sharks to attack Egyptian tourists. Worst of all, they created the fraudulent Manhattan Project, & forensic sciences that are used to claim Islam didn't exist before Mohammed, to destroy Islam.
@constructivereconcil Having to prove that israel receives more US foreign aid than any other country is like having to prove that the sky is blue..Its an accepted fact. Its also a FACT that israel is allowed to spend its free money as it so chooses, without any direction from the US . ANd its a FACT that israel buys T-bills with its extra free money to essentially collect interest on US debt,,,,at the cost of the American taxpayer, Your pathetic response is to align me with "shark attacks"??
I'll say it slowly. Your claims out of "common sense" as in the sky is blue, are exactly like the Arab Muslims who blame Israel and the West because it is self evident to them. The claim about sharks was actually released to the press, and it's the most exaggerated example. Some times rhetoric uses exaggeration to illustrate a point.
Your blanket "common sense" claims are echos of the same class of canards as "sharks trained by Mossad."
@constructivereconcil "This is serious and frightening, and only in America—not in Israel—is this a problem. These are Jewish organizations that believe they should keep people who disagree with them on the Middle East away from anyone who might listen."
israeli fighter jet and israeli Navy torpedo boats ATTACKED the US Navel ship the USS LIBERTY and KILLED 34 US SERVICEMEN and wounded 170 more !!! L@@K IT UP YOURSELF !!
WHY have we NEVER heard of this???? Same as EVERYTHING ELSE !!!! We are FORBIDDEN of being critical or HONESTLY discussing the HORRENDOUS actions of israel
This is the 5th copy, following me around. I don't date men or dupes. Spammers are also not my thing. Sorry, you're going to have to accept a life without me in it.
"We are FORBIDDEN of being critical or HONESTLY discussing the HORRENDOUS actions of israel"
Let's see if anyone removes it or kills you for doing the forbidden act. How did you get away with it?
@constructivereconcil I truly LOVE exposing FRAUDS like you....Why are you sooo ASHAMED of being a jew that you wont even admit that you are jewish ???? You try SOOOO hard to try and make people think that you are a "non jew" who is pro-israel .....But you are a jew and your youtube channel is nothing more than a pro-israel propaganda machine.....and you HATE the fact that I exposed you.....you hate it so much that you threatened my life....you sad, pathetic, coward.
@boy "I truly LOVE exposing FRAUDS like you....Why are you sooo ASHAMED of being a jew that you wont even admit that you are jewish ????"
I don't think you're back on your meds yet. I don't see how anyone can expect to have a constructive conversation with someone who takes extreme collectivist hate positions while also presenting himself as an oppressed black boy. You said at the outset of the conversation 2 things:
1) That people can't talk critically about legitimate issues with Israel
@boy "You try SOOOO hard to try and make people think that you are a "non jew" who is pro-israel"
It just comes naturally.
"But you are a jew and your youtube channel is nothing more than a pro-israel propaganda machine"
Selfish people can't understand those who aren't. The greater your narcissism, the more difficulty you & many others have. I love that you provide such clear evidence of your hypocritical bigotry. You really think these are legitimate issues to raise about any nation?
@boy "you hate it so much that you threatened my life"
What I said was, if you were inciting people like in front of me, you would deserve to be killed, and I would do it myself rather than compelling a court-ordered executioner. My point was that in the Internet culture, a lot of immature people go way overboard, and your manic rants week after week hurt the cause of peace. I know you are so very dim that it may take creative means to get through to you.
@boy "you hate it so much that you threatened my life"
You contacted me by email to escalate your rants, & your statements clearly identified you as an asshole who didn't even so much as look at what I had uploaded, because I specifically used liberal sources; BBC4 & PBS. You claiming it was 'right wing' proved to me beyond doubt that the only thing that limits your malice are technical & physical, inspired me to think of you inciting people the same way, & then I would have to kill you.
BEWARE OF ( constructivereconcil ) !!!!! He is a pro-israeli jew who is attempting to pass himself off as a non-jew in hopes of fooling people into believe his self-serving propaganda !!
Ive exposed this lie spreading COWARD for what he is and this scraed weirdo blocked me from posting comments on his videos and then he THREATENED MY LIFE for exposing his frauldent pro-isarellies...
WATCH OUT FOR (constructivereconcil) !! HIS PROFILE IS FAKE AND HE IS A COMPLETE FRAUD !!!
@constructivereconcil "It reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about. Many South Africans are beginning to recognize the parallels to what we went through."
@boy "It reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa"
Right. The myths, the canards, the lies, those narratives remind a lot of people of Apartheid in SA. That's what makes lies so harmful. It incites people, makes them irrational, cycles of inciting & killing all because of people like you who have no evidence whatsoever. Even public figures are seduced by the lies. The Nazis were elected by huge majorities, including "intellectuals." Lies kill. They might kill you.
@constructivereconcil I gave you plenty of chances to disengage from your rants. Now add up all of your baseless accusations. You made accusations against me based on what? You assumed everyone else is as selfish as you are. "Oops, your not Jewish? Well, a..those other guys are still Jews, like that Jew lawyer!"
Nice unmasking job.
In the end, they are still Jews, right? And they build settlements for God's sake! How can we tolerate settlements! Next thing you know, they'll outlaw terrorism!
@Dannyboy855 "I shall defer to the book "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy""
Wow, a book? A single book? For kite flying I suppose that sort of project might be more your speed. In the adult world, we are not satisfied by a single source, any single source but especially those already successfully refuted.
But then again, you're harmless since you're not eligible to vote. I just don't want third party readers to imagine that your BS has not been refuted.
@Dannyboy855 "WHY CANT WE HAVE AN OPEN & HONEST CRITICAL DISCUSSION OF ISRAEL !?!?! "academic courage to speak the truth when no one else is out there to support him"
I must be lost. I still can't find what the hell you are talking about. Who squelched criticism? The only thing I ever hear is the whining aligned with your statement, in other words, cry wolf much?
I get so angry with Jews sometimes, but then I remember that there are outstanding Jews, PEOPLE like Chomsky and Finkelstein and beauties like Amy Goodman.
Collectivism is never acceptable. Don't you get it? At least you are honest. I respect that, and you've given an example where you understand where you are coming from, but please consider what this nation was founded on, and how long it took to get justice for all people, not because they didn't deserve the same freedoms, but because collectivism comes naturally to mankind I guess and is hard to fight. It still leaks out...
interesting about the tactic chomsky talks about here of resorting to ad hominem attacks when you can't argue the substance, is that ad hominem has classically been a logical fallacy & now people who want to be able to resort to it (zionists mostly) are trying to make it an acceptable way of debate; check out wikipedia's entry on ad hominem. it defies logic. btw, re: harvard, our latest supreme (kagan) determined doucheowitz did nothing unethical in interfering w/ fink's tenure. zio-cunt.
Norman didn't go far enough, he should of tried to assemble a group of financiers to promote his discoveries and cause all around the world and then create a movement to boycott any institution and people that attempts to vilify him and his cause because that is all they can do in the end like chomsky said.
I think that the administration at DePaul denied Finkelstein tenure out of fear of the Zionist lobby, but what truly motivated Dershowitz was a personal desire for revenge. Finkelstein had exposed and humiliated him. I am not sure that Dershowitz really cares that much about Israel at all.
@gulshabbo It is so true the guy is decent and he could not give a lying bomb!!! Jews are spiteful because they treat their peolpe with so much disrecpect.
DERSHOWITZ IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DON'T TRUST LAWYERS. HE IS INDEED A SHAME TO HIS INSTITUTION. HE IS A TELLING EXAMPLE OF THE DETERIORATION OF HARVARD EDUCATION.
@skradek roams the earth... that made me laugh. But still, Noam and Finkelstein are Jewish so perhaps the source should change from Anti-Semitism to Anti-Zionism. Stay on the side of reason, otherwise you are no better then scum like Dershowitz.
Hamas want Israel to go back to 67 borders then create 1 state to all Arabs and Jews, let all the refugees back into democratic state create majority to the Arabs, then they will take control and create fascistic sharia law state in Israel... and he think Israelis will say yes ? Israel was born to be home to the Jews it have to be Jewish state! Israel already gave 100% of Gaza and 97% of the wesbank and they say no, wile creating fascist land in Gaza.
The Finkelstein / Dershowitz debate was fun to watch -- Norman absolutely pulverized that lying weasel! Everyone should watch the documentary "American Radical: the trials of Norman Finkelstein" and read "The Fate of an Honest Intellectual" by Noam Chomsky. 7 seconds ago
The most incredible part of that debate in my mind was when Norman Finkelstein brought up the quote directly from an Israeli source that they had engaged in some torture-esque techniques (or something to that effect). Dershowitz attempted to deflect that by saying that many of the "torture" techniques were also techniques used in Guantanamo. He even went so far as to euphemise it by calling it "rough interrogation".
@BloggerMusicMan Its a common tactic for people like this, who are clearly in the wrong , to become defensive and deflect responsibility by saying things like "well you torture people too" ....as if there is anything that excuses the wrongs committed by israel.....
Honestly Id have more respect for dershowitz if he just came out and said "Yes I am a zionist, like my parents before me , and I put israel and jews ahead of every one and every thing else on this earth"
@RoadTweeker Inturstin. I just saw American Radical. Although its overall sads, Finkelstein is always, funny. Even when he's angry, you're interested in what he's going to say because he's very articulate.
@RoadTweeker Finkelstein so OWNED this pathological liar Dershowitz during the said encounter on DemocracyNow!
Thanks for the hint, I read Chomsky's article, it's very interesting and revealing. Dershowitz believes that Chomsky choses the "target" and then sends his "dog" Finkelstein to attack...LOL.
I really like Finkelstein but believe he goes to far in his solidarity with orgs like Hezbollah although I can see where he's coming from. And Dershowitz is your classic zionist traitor!
@MyOroInvictus Well, now again, remember that Goldstone himself (Goldstone Report) is a self-proclaimed zionist, and he documents Israel's crimes in his report. I know reaction to criticism of Israel is often one-sided, but it takes time to see through propaganda, and for the distractions (from the likes of Dershowitz and his ilk) to be ignored in favor of facing facts re: international law, etc. But it can happen!
@MyOroInvictus: no, not really; because I see this as an issue of right/ wrong and justice v injustice, based on historical facts and a solid documentary record and international law. These are the important things to keep in mind. Privately, personally, yes it always makes me sad that ignorance and propaganda allow crimes supported by my country to continue. The best thing to do is stick with facts, present them, etc. and try to keep the focus where it belongs. Thanks!
This is a statement by Chomsky on Cambodia after 1975
If a serious study is someday undertaken, it may well be discovered that the Khmer Rouge programmes elicited a positive response because they dealt with fundamental problems rooted in the feudal past and exacerbated by the imperial system. Such a study, however, has yet to be undertaken.
alan douchewitz is a joke. when u talk about elites pulling the strings, he right up there and he talks about peace and for the ppl and all that happily ever after crap. HE DOESNT CARE ABOUT ANYONE THAT IS NOT JEWISH. get it??
To come against the Holocaust Industry is to be destroyed by Jews in the most coordinated and systematic way, e.g., career, reputation, wealth, safety, friendships, academic credentials, government clearance and security, and, most important of all, freedom of speech, freedom to travel, freedom to live like free men.
Many American Jews admire Dershowitz.
OrodesIII 2 months ago
@OrodesIII That's because they are sheep and don't know who he really is!...A lying sack of shit!
TheBiotchify 2 weeks ago
Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Norman Finkelstein, Amy Goodman: The Ace Team .
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@MemoryPines ...the traitorous pro-muslim fools, digging their own graves. Well done ;))) after the muslims have used these useful idiots, they will dispose of them ;) and of us all.....moron.
ZionIsInMyHeart 3 weeks ago
@ZionIsInMyHeart Quit barking retard.
MemoryPines 2 weeks ago
@MemoryPines
lol :))) muslim donkey sperm sample
ZionIsInMyHeart 2 weeks ago
@ZionIsInMyHeart How about the traitorous pro-Israel parrots in the US? I especially love the ones who put Israels interests ahead of the our own! All for a country who attacked our USS Liberty, attacked US targets in Egypt (the Lavon Affair), sold US provided hi tech weapons to China, conducts the most extensive espionage against the US of any "friendly" nation, Mossad posing as CIA to recruit Pakistani terrorists for attacks against Iran, etc...
TheBiotchify 2 weeks ago
Dershowitz is a mad dog
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Norman FINKELSTEIN is a brilliant human being, history will tell.
A charismatic leader for the freedom of thought. His ability to reveal Dershowitz's devious, vicious and UNholy spirit is a blessing to us all.
Dershowitz never expected to find such a fearless beast. In fact, it is clear that
he fears all the truth coming out of Norman FINKELSTEIN's mouth.
Mr. Finkelstein deserves the NOBEL price, not OBAMA...
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HerenuiKAHA 5 months ago
jews were the underdogs and now they're goliath. americans are turning into the new underdogs through mismanagement and naivety.
ShitWrangler 5 months ago
israel is a terrorist state worse than nazi germany
RealityCheckMaster 6 months ago
@constructivereconcil Read some of his books he extensively supports his claims
PaulDew22 9 months ago
Is this similar to what happened to professor Churchill at C.U. in Boulder Colorado?
Seraph909 9 months ago
He (Chomsky) talks about avoiding evidence but quoted no evidence I could check on. What is up with this? I can't ever find evidence to support Chomsky's rhetoric. It's empty to me, but I remain open minded to hear or see anything that can be revealed to me. Thanks.
constructivereconcil 9 months ago
@constructivereconcil He often says openly that he interprets what he reads, and makes sure to point out when he is speculating. Most of the time it's just inescapable logical conclutions. I read alot of the same stuff myself, and you really have to go through alot of various relevant works on a given topic. The sources or evidences if you like is kind of difficult to list as they are found scattered all over the place. You have to pile up everything you find and then make out what you can of it
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "Most of the time it's just inescapable logical conclutions"
Inescapable? You must be joking? You mean HE says its 'inescapable?'
"I read alot of the same stuff...you really have to go through alot of various relevant works"
To be honest, I find his conclusions are very often Implausible & based in some inside knowledge he seems to have of the motives of all the leaders of the United States. He seems inspired by Howard Zinn, the epitome of the politically biased historian.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "The sources or evidences if you like is kind of difficult to list as they are found scattered all over the place"
He does the same thing that Dick Chaney got busted for; refers to his own publications. Just like Chaney was quoted in a newspaper, and then gives an interview saying "X newspaper reported" without revealing that it was only reporting his claims.
If the reference has more detail, that might be fine occasionally, but the threads are untraceable.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr Actually a lot of his 1960s and 1970s claims have been totally refuted. The Soviet Union was NOT benign. We have all kinds of direct evidence, the politicians once bound by Soviet law, published their own explanations & confessions. For example, the Soviets admitted straight up to have deliberately lied to Israeli enemies that Israel was massing troops on the border with Syria. He stated that they wished to provoke a war that would increase their importance in the region.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr If you ask some of the ex-Soviet politicians; "Was the Soviet regime an evil empire? They might hedge on subjective labels, but they have admitted to virtually all of the accusations once denied by Chomsky & virtually every other left-wing radical from the 1960s thru the present.
Western nations lie some times too, but Lenin, Stalin & many minions were absolutely evil, believing in the need for global conversion to totalitarian socialism. Chomsky claims the US is worse!!! Come on!
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr But you know, don't take this as a personal attack. I actually was totally empathetic to Chomsky for a long time, because I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and I have empathy for all people who suffer. The thing is that when I realized he was wrong about cause, I realized that he is not helping them in that way. You have to find REAL causes before you help anyone fix their problems.
It started with my search for which charity needs the most help financially from me?
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constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil 2/2 I did trust Chomsky for a long time till I had a chance to follow the evidence.
I finally started my search after I found allegations against certain charities for children. I wanted to know which charity needs/deserves the most help, & gets the best results for the $, then I'd share my findings. I believe with smarter help we CAN eradicate global food shortages. In the end, I found how much is wasted in Middle East on everything because of Palestinian-Islamic lies.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil its enough to reply to some people to offend them i have noticed that myself. I don't care about opposing arguments as long as it's civil. But i would ask you not to assume so much about me based on some loose comment i made. I never said what my thoughts on Chomsky are, and im not speaking for him. I just tried to say that the sources have to be looked for, that's what intellectuals do. What one person reads in the records might not be viewed the same way by someone else.
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "But i would ask you not to assume so much about me based on some loose comment i made."
Did I, or is that a preemptive request?
"What one person reads in the records might not be viewed the same way by someone else"
Agreed. That is why I get so annoyed at people who try to insist everything is so simple. The biggest objection I have of Chomsky is his gushing support for N. Finkelstein. That is not rational at all. It woke me up to Chomsky, & I started to dig further.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil It wouldn't have been necessary for you to state that i shouldn't take anything of what you said as any personal attack, unless you made statements that might have that effect on some people. One of the assumptions seems to be that because i said what i did about Chomsky, i must be agreeing with everything he ever said including the Soviets. That's how it sounds like when you bring up topics that have nothing to do with the original question you posted about evidence.
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "It wouldn't have been necessary for you to state that i shouldn't take anything of what you said as any personal attack, unless you made statements that might have that effect on some"
Yes, it is true that people take things personally when they shouldn't. Call it preemptive politeness.
IME, virtually every Chomsky defender bases their positions on subjective emotional factors. But his communications can get very personal & subjective, so the whole personality cult is atypical.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "One of the assumptions seems to be that because i said what i did about Chomsky, i must be agreeing with everything he ever said including the Soviets."
His politics are consistent. If you want to argue on some limited scope, that's fine, but my observations convince me that everything he says is based on earlier personal, emotion-driven yet coherent political beliefs, & advocating a particular strain of socialism. It all comes together for him, whether or not you recognize that.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "i must be agreeing with everything he ever said including the Soviets. That's how it sounds like when you bring up topics that have nothing to do with the original question you posted about evidence"
I must be confused because I don't know what you are referring to here. I'll just say in explanation about what I try to convey consistently is that I once considered Chomsky a sincere and courageous person who spoke out of empathy rather than patriotism, which is fine. But...
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constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "i must be agreeing with everything he ever said"
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But once his positions were clear in my head I saw things differently. Yes, he has empathy, but also a distorted view of history & current events, & seems fueled by emotion-driven beliefs that capitalism is evil, & uses a lot of superficial 1-sided arguments about "elites" through history. In short, he takes H. Zinn history as gospel & consistently attacks every aspect of the classes he sees as the elites.
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constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil Personally i never understood why people should take the side of any intellectual in the world for that matter, and Chomsky never made that claim so there's little meaning in debating wether he his completely accurate or partially, or false and untruthful. Chances are he is all of it, flawed as any person. They present their view and oppinions like any other citizen, it's up to people to take the necessary steps after that and look at the evidence and judge for themselves.
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "Personally i never understood why people should take the side of any intellectual in the world for that matter, and Chomsky never made that claim so there's little meaning in debating wether he his completely accurate or partially, or false and untruthful"
This is confusing. Do you mean "solely on the basis?" Well yeah, of course. But this is what makes them so dangerous, how people react to their media sources. The whole thing is a mess not yet fully defined IMO.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil As Aristotle put it "it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." And the keyword there is obviously "educated". People are liable to say or believe anything if they don't make an effort to find things out for themselves. So one shouldn't accept things 'soley on the basis' as you put it. I agree with Chomsky on the points that are self-evident or common sensual to anyone who hears them. The rest falls into the Aristotelian view
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "So one shouldn't accept things 'soley on the basis' as you put it"
Is there any other way to put it? Interesting choice to quote Aristotle in making your point.
"People are liable to say or believe anything if they don't make an effort to find things out for themselves."
Yet that doesn't stop them from voting. This is why I consistently challenge people, to provoke & inspire them to find out the truth before they vote, & before they influence others by echoing false positions.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "I agree with Chomsky on the points that are self-evident or common sensual to anyone who hears them"
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I could reword that by saying "I agree with him when I agree with him." Obviously anything you think it self-evident is something you believe! Sadly, the common sense phrase is even more ubiquitous. If only good common sense was more sensible & common. I don't even think people consider what that phrase means.
:>)
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil The art of trolling. But you have to find yourself a more willing victim, i tend to tire and move on as im doing right now. Have a nice summer mate.
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr
I think you trolled yourself.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr "Chomsky never made that claim so there's little meaning in debating"
What claim? I must be totally lost, because I can't make sense out of some of this. Nobody should be "believed' just because of who they are. The problem is that everyone agrees, when they remember to. But my concern is that they "Internet age" is connecting people with tools and access unprecedented, but our education systems have not prepared them to perform at those standards we both agree one should.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil He never made any claim that he himself or any other intellectual should be taken as THE truthsayer and prophet. That's how people treat them all by themselves, in fact i often heard him say not to take his words for it but read and deduce things for themselves. The danger lies in people being lazy to the point that they simply rely on the information they are given from any source, because they believe it's accurate. The only preparation i know of would be independancy.
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil About being lost and confused. Now you know what i mean about debating on youtube. The message system isn't designed so that one can type out the full explanations that are required to avoid confusion. I usually never engage in longer discussions on here, i stick to forums for that. Or PM if it is really interesting or important.
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
@Tyrfingr I believe that you have your heart in the right place, & I think Chomsky does too.
During the Cold War radical movements in the West, the huge scale of propaganda lies got so big that I think what happens is adults have formative years when they feel they're finding out how the world actually works. If you spend enough of your life convinced of these things, eventually you stop looking for new evidence. He missed the post-Cold War revelations, including the complex duplicity of Islam.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil I suggest you write a PM next time you feel like typing out a whole novel to a brief comment. All of your points demands 6 pages in return worth of replies. Youtube is too much of a pain in the ass when it comes to holding long drawn out debates with character limits that leaves a string of chopped up mess of posts. Either that or restrict your comments to one point at a time, otherwise it will become impossible to handle and keep track of the varied topics.
Tyrfingr 8 months ago
Was Alan Dershowitz the professor of Obama? : )
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The so called "Palestinians" of today
do not represent a nation or people,
merely a bunch of Wannabe-Nazis.
Their ideology despises both,
the Land of Israel and the People of Israel.
ThePrideOfIsrael 9 months ago
@ThePrideOfIsrael "Palestinians" of today...[are] merely a bunch of Wannabe-Nazis"
The problem is that it's counterproductive because most of them have been taught to revere Hitler, & furthermore, their entire "worldview" is consistent with Allah requiring all of these behaviors & beliefs that we hate. You need to recognize that only a few liars have polluted their education.
The Oslo Accords were intended to deal with this, & the tragic mistake was not requiring absolute compliance.
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@Pride therefore we need to rally around the injustice of the Oslo Accords, their original intentions & the blatant actions of using Oslo as a guide to increase terror. They actually used Oslo requirements to validate the weaknesses of the Israeli psyche. In short, the West needs to start with Oslo, & consistently require that all Islamic states must comply if they want diplomatic relations with the West. I am not joking!!
100% compliance. Imagine a politician advertising suicide for children!?
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
WHY CANT WE HAVE AN OPEN & HONEST CRITICAL DISCUSSION OF ISRAEL !?!?! "academic courage to speak the truth when no one else is out there to support him... I would say that his place in the whole history of writing history is assured, and that those who in the end are proven right triumph, and he will be among those who will have triumphed, albeit, it so seems, at great cost."
~ Raul Hilberg, Jewish Holocaust historian
Dannyboy855 10 months ago 6
@Dannyboy855 "WHY CANT WE HAVE AN OPEN & HONEST CRITICAL DISCUSSION OF ISRAEL !?!?"
I don't understand this. Are you really serious? I never take this claim seriously, because all I ever hear is criticism, repeating lies, and then this claim that any criticism of Israel is not tolerated. Sounds entirely like BS.
But what would you like to talk about? Remember that it must be true. If you (even unintentionally) use false accusations, what would you expect given the history of decades of lies?
constructivereconcil 8 months ago
@constructivereconcil HUh??? Was there a POINT in your comment??? NO ONE needs another biased pro-isreal propagandist like YOU spewing your utter bullshit then hiding behind the ever faithful ploy of accusing everyone of "antisemitism" ..... Let me inform you that NOBODY respects people who HIDE behind the institution of VICTIM-HOOD and guilt mongering
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy "Let me inform you that NOBODY respects people who HIDE behind the institution of VICTIM-HOOD and guilt mongering"
Whoa, what planet are you from? Nice rant, but what is YOUR point?
You and MOST others simply were not taught to process evidence logically. You "FEEL" correct because like Oprah, you "follow your heart" or your "gut."
Did you know that most biased people are totally blind to their own biases? It's totally true.
You are biased. You use emotional shortcuts to "learn"
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy "Let me inform you that NOBODY respects people who HIDE behind the institution of VICTIM-HOOD and guilt mongering"
I would tend to agree. How is it that we can apparently agree on values but totally opposed in details that involve objective facts?
This question has primed my sense of mission for years. I'm convinced that in the West, the extreme views are entrenched by preaching to the respective choirs, as in this place. You can't even articulate my point but I can articulate yours.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 If we actually had a conversation, you might learn something. All up and down this page, I have tried to have conversations, but you all shout past me using rhetoric gleaned from your co-coreligionists. This is totally natural to mankind. Cleave to your friends. Don't actually do any dangerous thinking.
All of you have made laughable assumptions about me. I don't even know any Jews. My involvement is purely from theoretical & real world evidence driving my positions about justice.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 Look at my channel, and I have close to 100 hours of documentary evidence. I can articulate very precisely what this "clash of civilizations" is. I can tell you the salient points in history that should be considered in Middle Eastern politics. None of you realize you contradict your own values by arguing for an anarchist and against liberal democracy. Oh well. You all know where to find me, but you will hide forever behind your ignorance, knowing you have friends to comfort you.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil Hey WEIRDO, you can have allllll your "data" and your fruity little channel BUT when it boils down to it its still just your OPINION and you are still influenced by your own little bias, agenda, life experience and loyalty etc etc etc.
I offer no opion, I just ask for an OPEN & HONEST discussion of israel and jews with out the ever-faithful "everybody is an anti semite" escape hatch...
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "still just your OPINION"
No kidding Sherlock. It's my biases, opinion, & supported by my evidence. Whatever you consider fruity is meaningless to me or anyone else who votes, so you don't worry me in the slightest.
"I offer no opion, I just ask for an OPEN & HONEST discussion of israel and jews with out the ever-faithful "everybody is an anti semite" escape hatch"
How does that apply here? Who is stopping you? No one. You make no sense. It's called a straw man argument.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil Straw man? Get your "logical fallacies" right you pseudo intellectual douche bag!!! Where did I incorrectly restate your point in order to make it easier to defeat? Nobody is interested in debating you or your agenda.My point is that we NEED an open & honest debate in the PUBLIC MEDIA, on college campuses, in newspapers, on TV etc. We dont need groups like C.A.M.E.R.A & Aipac stifling free speech and only furthering israel, and their agent's ,self serving agenda
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "incorrectly restate your point in order to make it easier to defeat?"
LOL. Priceless. So that's a straw man argument? You read the article too fast and missed somethings.
"Nobody is interested in debating you or your agenda."
That is so blatantly false that I just have to laugh again at you.
"My point is that we NEED an open & honest debate in the PUBLIC MEDIA"
Oh THAT is your point, eh Danny boy? You're the most amusing asshole I've seen for days. Pseudo-intellectual? Ahem.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 A straw man is any false argument used so that you easily "knock it over" Elements are "false" and "weak" usually deliberately so.
See, think about straw. It's easy to manipulate. Build a straw man, this is a synthetic structure used to bluff. The object is often to strike it down, if that was the intention. I'm perfectly happy with my usage. Talk about pedantic assholes, not so nice to meet you, jackass. You read an article and think you have the definitive answer. Poor kid.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy "we NEED an open & honest debate in the PUBLIC MEDIA, on college campuses, in newspapers, on TV"
I can't see anywhere that you or anyone has been unable to make their arguments. You just can't stand it when it turns out the complaint is invalid. You see, YOU failed in the "honest & open" aspect. If you don't have your facts straight, we will climb down your throat just as you try to climb down the throats of your targets. It never occurred to you that you're repeating lies? Pathetic.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy "open & honest debate in the PUBLIC MEDIA, on college campuses, in newspapers, on TV"
It's stunning to me just how stupid your statements are. I have to ask, is he that stupid, or that much in love with totalitarian religions that hate Judeo Christianity? Because you claiming that universities as 1 example, which are virtually shut down to any pro-democracy speaker by Muslim unions like organized crime families or street gangs. Don't then have 'apartheid week" all based on lies? Yes.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy "We dont need groups like C.A.M.E.R.A & Aipac stifling free speech"
A rebuttal is stifling free speech? Ex-presidents are payed millions each year to pursue the interests of the House of Saud, & you are convinced that grass roots organizations, formed by US citizens who believe in morality, & that they have taken the high moral road so to speak, but you object because your brain does not operate well enough to understand your own beliefs. I hope you haven't been to college yet.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy So danny boy, in all of your spasmodic attacks, I think you forgot to explain where these unrighteous acts are taking place? Do you mean to say, that your entire case is based on:
"groups like C.A.M.E.R.A & Aipac stifling free speech and only furthering israel, and their agent's, self serving agenda"
You're worried about the House of Saud et al. getting even more influence in the US? You don't sound like an Islamic imperialist, then you must be a dupe, based on *your* agenda.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy "YOU spewing your utter bullshit then hiding behind the ever faithful ploy of accusing everyone of "antisemitism"
I'm going to help you with one more thing & then I need to move on. What happens is that people genuinely believe in certain canards, & when the advocate these positions, they are some times attacked as antisemites because some people forget that no matter how many liars there are, some will believe those lies. That is not antisemitism, but it serves the Jew-hater agenda.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 So the bottom line is that you are creating your own victim-hood, but must not be able to see it. It's funny when I laugh at people like you, the irony of (you) claiming victim-hood from the alleged actions of others who you assert claim victim-hood.
"Let me inform you that NOBODY respects people who HIDE behind the institution of VICTIM-HOOD and guilt mongering"
Who could you be talking to but yourself?
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil WOW, I must have really hurt your delicate little feelings.Why else would you feel the need to write 7 paragraphs in response to my 1. Clearly you are an obsessive nutjob, and like ALL crackpots ,you just need to be given enough rope to hang yourself with.
As for your meritless , self serving "points" I shall defer to the book "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" .You blow smoke and hope that you fool people...but your tactics are lost on the educated & informed.
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "As for your meritless , self serving "points""
[Rolls eyes] Actually, you have no clue what serves my interests. My interests have never been discussed here. Whatever emotions you read in to any of this are really all about you. You must be so narcissistic you don't understand when others make decisions based on morality rather than self-interest.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil I guess you can add "amateur psychologist" to your impressive resume :)
As for "refuting" The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy ...ahhhh yes , the obligatory "anti semitism" dismissals by the rank & file accusers: Dershowitz, a handful of jewish professors, the ADL, and the rest of the pro-israel propagandists who refute none of the facts but are once again reduced to playing the "anti semite" card.
May I ask if you or your parents or grandparents were/are jews?
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 , "the obligatory "anti semitism" dismissals by the rank & file accusers"
I see you making canned responses. You're really quite typical.
"if you or your parents or grandparents were/are jews?"
I don't even know any. I have no personal connection at all. It is the single most costly problem, taking resources away from i.e. Africa, where simple things like clean water problems should have been eradicated from human history. Billions on precision weapons rather than clean water.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dan
When I think of all the narcissistic assholes clouding the discourse with knee-jerk responses, acting like they know all there is, echoing bullshit like you, not even realizing YOU are contributing to global poverty & disease by helping divide Western political leaders & helping Islamic imperialists to continue Jihad - Just like the Soviets assumed Vietnam created opportunities, the discord in the West inspires Islamic imperialism & their global caliphate aspirations - it makes me puke.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy For crying out loud, haven't you even heard of OPEC? House of Saud? Petro-dollars - just a fantasy eh? The religion of peace? Ever notice the billions of Muslims? If every Jew on the planet lobbied Congress, then what? Ever hear of the "Elders of Zion?" Sitting right next to your other favorite books. Not all criticism is anti-Semitic, simply because 1 of the consequences of spending billions on lies is that many will believe it. So rather than a bigot, you are probably just stupid.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil It is a weak tactic to try and align The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy with the "Elders of Zion" .... Please justify why the USA gives more foreign aid to Israel than ANY other country.....And the foreign aid given is spent, unchecked , by israel for ANYTHING it wants...weapons, building settlements, or buying US treasury bills and actually EARNING interest on its free US handout at the cost of American taxpayers...israels interests are for itself and itself only
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "It is a weak tactic to try and align The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy with the "Elders of Zion"
Well your declarations are so powerful, what can I do now? You've tried every "tactic" while I simple answer your hysterical accusations against both me personally (as if I care) and against what you keep trying out as supposed "embarrassments." I'm only analyzing what you say. You make blanket statements, like simply referring to a single book title.
Who are you? Nobody.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 . "Please justify why the USA gives more foreign aid to Israel than ANY other country"
LOL! Typical! You are repeating myths. Idiot.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 ."And the foreign aid given is spent, unchecked , by israel for ANYTHING it wants...weapons, building settlements,"
"Settlements" and "Elders of Zion." If you don't even understand your own trap you fell in, it just makes me laugh even harder. Nice job on character assassination. It really appeals to all the other bigots, who already hate Jews. So what have you accomplished? You unmasked the weakness of your allegations. What evidence? A book title. Whoa.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy "buying US treasury bills and actually EARNING interest on its free US handout at the cost of American taxpayers"
Now you're an economist? Dang, you know, since my life is all about me and my "self interest," let's forget the Jews and the bigots, and you can tell me how to get rich, knowing so much about, well, everything.
The most foreign aid? By what measure? Hmm? Surely, you know what currency perhaps? Or is this something other than cash? How did you calculate this? You didn't.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "..israels interests are for itself and itself only"
Well yeah, I mean they're fucking Jews, what do you expect?
By the way, what have you been up to lately? Those Jews are pretending to care with aid programs & they try to mimic Christians, talking about peace and all that, but we know, they'll still be Jews! As soon as they got sovereignty, they got arrogant!
You're in so far over your head, you may not be smart enough to ever understand, but these statements will last forever.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 " ...And the foreign aid given is spent, unchecked , by israel for ANYTHING it wants...weapons"
What a fucking dumbass. Ok, so first you complain because of "war crimes" by evidence of collateral damage, but when Congress funds precision weapons in order to accomplish many admirable things *under the circumstances,* you blame the victims for caring so much about collateral damage, because it never occurred to you to understand the facts underneath your slurs.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dan I mean, you totally hung yourself. You used all of the cliches, not realizing the trap you fell in.
Let's see, tons of money, fighting terrorism, weapons spending - I say; kill them all with the cheapest methods possible, so no survivors can allege war crimes, & *we* will have saved a lot of money, to give instead to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, & any others we need to appease, but we can still blame Israel, because it is so clearly beyond the need for evidence. I know, I have the book.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 But wait, I seem to forget where you came up with this evidence, you know, that 12 million Jews have overcome the slight obstacle of 1.5 billion Muslims, many of whom sit on oil reserves that gives them some measure of influence, not to mention the Saudi tithing, whereby 10% of revenues goes to madras, or some Islamic beneficiary.
What happened? You said " I shall defer to the book "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" and I asked what you used to authenticate or confirm that
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constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy 2/2
What happened? You said " I shall defer to the book "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" and I asked what you used to authenticate or confirm that after listing some of the Israeli influences, I mean who opposes this? Nobody? Ever wonder if some people might stand up for Israel after, the OPEC debacles? That alone trivializes the entire global population of Jews.
Math is NOT your strong point, obviously, neither economics or even social studies. What is your expertise anyway?
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 Here's a bonus questions for you?
Who said this; "To accept or not to accept, tell them to go to Hell!"?
I need to go through all of this crap, and perhaps I will cleanly summarize your accusations, & the evidence provided so far. I know there's a book title..where is the rest of it?
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "It is a weak tactic to try and align The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy with the "Elders of Zion"
Totally appropriate. The title alone is a canard, implying that all those who lobby for Israel do so out of self-interest (& those are your words), coordinated as a coherent entity. Guess what? You couldn't be more wrong. I can name over a dozen grass roots organizations populated by Americans with a conscience, most of whom believe in liberal democracy. I suppose you don't?
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy
It's getting ridiculous here. At least come back to your allegations you already made, so that we can summarize your pitiful narrative. Please summarize your arguments. If not, let's make an agreement when you will be done with new accusations. Once I know you are done, I can more clearly consolidate my rebuttal.
But you know, it's not like there are any secrets I keep, I wonder if you bothered to look at the documentary collection I have, using leftist sources to show Israel's case?
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil ". The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times"
-Avi Shlaim ( respected israeli & jewish reporter)
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@boy "Avi Shlaim ( respected israeli & jewish reporter)"
Respected by you. You posted this in at least 5 places, so I will reiterate what I said in the other locations; Avi is a "house nigger." His history is blatantly revisionist, in fact him and a few others are proud of this accomplishment, others call it more accurate, counter-culture history. Even Howard Zinn admits they are political rather than historical positions. But as the tall dark & handsome, educated & informed boy, you knew that.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil Hey COWARD, shouldnt you be off blocking people from commenting on your pro-israel propaganda videos & channel? You are a scared little wimp hoping that you can fool people with your LIES and blind nonsense...But NOBODY is fooled....keep spreading your lies and you and your fellow cowards will just make people hate and lose even more respect for israel. You actually do jews and israel disservice with your clandestine cowardice...SO keep up the good work you WIMP !!! :)
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "spent...by israel for ANYTHING it wants"
Your delusional rhetoric is pointless, just preaching to your own choir. If you cared about any of those issues, you'd have facts rather than a collection of reverberating slurs. You know they poison water too, right? Last year they trained sharks to attack Egyptian tourists. Worst of all, they created the fraudulent Manhattan Project, & forensic sciences that are used to claim Islam didn't exist before Mohammed, to destroy Islam.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil Having to prove that israel receives more US foreign aid than any other country is like having to prove that the sky is blue..Its an accepted fact. Its also a FACT that israel is allowed to spend its free money as it so chooses, without any direction from the US . ANd its a FACT that israel buys T-bills with its extra free money to essentially collect interest on US debt,,,,at the cost of the American taxpayer, Your pathetic response is to align me with "shark attacks"??
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@boy align me with "shark attacks"??
I'll say it slowly. Your claims out of "common sense" as in the sky is blue, are exactly like the Arab Muslims who blame Israel and the West because it is self evident to them. The claim about sharks was actually released to the press, and it's the most exaggerated example. Some times rhetoric uses exaggeration to illustrate a point.
Your blanket "common sense" claims are echos of the same class of canards as "sharks trained by Mossad."
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil "This is serious and frightening, and only in America—not in Israel—is this a problem. These are Jewish organizations that believe they should keep people who disagree with them on the Middle East away from anyone who might listen."
-TONY JUDT (noted jewish scholar )
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@boy
The Nazis were elected democratically.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil @constructivereconcil USS LIBERTY
israeli fighter jet and israeli Navy torpedo boats ATTACKED the US Navel ship the USS LIBERTY and KILLED 34 US SERVICEMEN and wounded 170 more !!! L@@K IT UP YOURSELF !!
WHY have we NEVER heard of this???? Same as EVERYTHING ELSE !!!! We are FORBIDDEN of being critical or HONESTLY discussing the HORRENDOUS actions of israel
WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!! ISRAEL IS NOT OUR FRIEND !!!
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy
Psyco spammer,
This is the 5th copy, following me around. I don't date men or dupes. Spammers are also not my thing. Sorry, you're going to have to accept a life without me in it.
"We are FORBIDDEN of being critical or HONESTLY discussing the HORRENDOUS actions of israel"
Let's see if anyone removes it or kills you for doing the forbidden act. How did you get away with it?
Idiot child.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Danny boy
Did you finally start taking your neuroleptic meds again? You're going to get locked up again if you're not a good boy.
constructivereconcil 6 months ago
@constructivereconcil I truly LOVE exposing FRAUDS like you....Why are you sooo ASHAMED of being a jew that you wont even admit that you are jewish ???? You try SOOOO hard to try and make people think that you are a "non jew" who is pro-israel .....But you are a jew and your youtube channel is nothing more than a pro-israel propaganda machine.....and you HATE the fact that I exposed you.....you hate it so much that you threatened my life....you sad, pathetic, coward.
Dannyboy855 6 months ago
@boy "I truly LOVE exposing FRAUDS like you....Why are you sooo ASHAMED of being a jew that you wont even admit that you are jewish ????"
I don't think you're back on your meds yet. I don't see how anyone can expect to have a constructive conversation with someone who takes extreme collectivist hate positions while also presenting himself as an oppressed black boy. You said at the outset of the conversation 2 things:
1) That people can't talk critically about legitimate issues with Israel
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constructivereconcil 6 months ago
@boy "I truly LOVE exposing FRAUDS like you....Why are you sooo ASHAMED of being a jew that you wont even admit that you are jewish ????"
The 2 things you said were;
1) One can't talk about legitimate policy issues with Israel (paraphrasing you) without being stifled
2) You said again paraphrasing as if you grew up, that people don't respond well to those who present themselves as victims.
#1) Falsified by reading your inane 4 weeks scribbled output
#2) You should know. I'll take your word.
constructivereconcil 6 months ago
@boy "You try SOOOO hard to try and make people think that you are a "non jew" who is pro-israel"
It just comes naturally.
"But you are a jew and your youtube channel is nothing more than a pro-israel propaganda machine"
Selfish people can't understand those who aren't. The greater your narcissism, the more difficulty you & many others have. I love that you provide such clear evidence of your hypocritical bigotry. You really think these are legitimate issues to raise about any nation?
Fool.
constructivereconcil 6 months ago
@boy "But you are a jew"
Not
"your youtube channel is nothing more than a pro-israel propaganda machine"
In the sense that I propagate facts about why those who care about morality will have no choice but to support Israel as if a 51st state.
"you HATE the fact that I exposed you"
If that is what you see, it matters little to me.
"you hate it so much that you threatened my life"
You misunderstood. I'll explain:
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constructivereconcil 6 months ago
@boy "you hate it so much that you threatened my life"
What I said was, if you were inciting people like in front of me, you would deserve to be killed, and I would do it myself rather than compelling a court-ordered executioner. My point was that in the Internet culture, a lot of immature people go way overboard, and your manic rants week after week hurt the cause of peace. I know you are so very dim that it may take creative means to get through to you.
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constructivereconcil 6 months ago
@boy "you hate it so much that you threatened my life"
You contacted me by email to escalate your rants, & your statements clearly identified you as an asshole who didn't even so much as look at what I had uploaded, because I specifically used liberal sources; BBC4 & PBS. You claiming it was 'right wing' proved to me beyond doubt that the only thing that limits your malice are technical & physical, inspired me to think of you inciting people the same way, & then I would have to kill you.
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constructivereconcil 6 months ago
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BEWARE OF ( constructivereconcil ) !!!!! He is a pro-israeli jew who is attempting to pass himself off as a non-jew in hopes of fooling people into believe his self-serving propaganda !!
Ive exposed this lie spreading COWARD for what he is and this scraed weirdo blocked me from posting comments on his videos and then he THREATENED MY LIFE for exposing his frauldent pro-isarellies...
WATCH OUT FOR (constructivereconcil) !! HIS PROFILE IS FAKE AND HE IS A COMPLETE FRAUD !!!
Dannyboy855 6 months ago
@constructivereconcil "It reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about. Many South Africans are beginning to recognize the parallels to what we went through."
— Bishop Desmond Tutu
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@boy "It reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa"
Right. The myths, the canards, the lies, those narratives remind a lot of people of Apartheid in SA. That's what makes lies so harmful. It incites people, makes them irrational, cycles of inciting & killing all because of people like you who have no evidence whatsoever. Even public figures are seduced by the lies. The Nazis were elected by huge majorities, including "intellectuals." Lies kill. They might kill you.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil I gave you plenty of chances to disengage from your rants. Now add up all of your baseless accusations. You made accusations against me based on what? You assumed everyone else is as selfish as you are. "Oops, your not Jewish? Well, a..those other guys are still Jews, like that Jew lawyer!"
Nice unmasking job.
In the end, they are still Jews, right? And they build settlements for God's sake! How can we tolerate settlements! Next thing you know, they'll outlaw terrorism!
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "I shall defer to the book "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy""
Wow, a book? A single book? For kite flying I suppose that sort of project might be more your speed. In the adult world, we are not satisfied by a single source, any single source but especially those already successfully refuted.
But then again, you're harmless since you're not eligible to vote. I just don't want third party readers to imagine that your BS has not been refuted.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 "You blow smoke and hope that you fool people...but your tactics are lost on the educated & informed"
Gosh, not if they can find "the book."
Educated and informed? Wow. Don't forget to make sure everyone hears you. Are you tall dark and handsome too?
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
@constructivereconcil Actually I am....but I hope that doesn't take any credibility away from what I'm saying :)
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@Dannyboy855 I just knew you'd love a chance to say so.
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
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@Dannyboy855 "WHY CANT WE HAVE AN OPEN & HONEST CRITICAL DISCUSSION OF ISRAEL !?!?! "academic courage to speak the truth when no one else is out there to support him"
I must be lost. I still can't find what the hell you are talking about. Who squelched criticism? The only thing I ever hear is the whining aligned with your statement, in other words, cry wolf much?
"help, help, I'm being oppressed!"
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
I get so angry with Jews sometimes, but then I remember that there are outstanding Jews, PEOPLE like Chomsky and Finkelstein and beauties like Amy Goodman.
happydelicious 11 months ago
@happydelicious That is so true. These people are light burning lights in a eerily darkened world.
ikhlasrocker 10 months ago
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@happydelicious "I get so angry with Jews sometimes"
Collectivism is never acceptable. Don't you get it? At least you are honest. I respect that, and you've given an example where you understand where you are coming from, but please consider what this nation was founded on, and how long it took to get justice for all people, not because they didn't deserve the same freedoms, but because collectivism comes naturally to mankind I guess and is hard to fight. It still leaks out...
constructivereconcil 7 months ago
F. A. D.
Stoner075 1 year ago
interesting about the tactic chomsky talks about here of resorting to ad hominem attacks when you can't argue the substance, is that ad hominem has classically been a logical fallacy & now people who want to be able to resort to it (zionists mostly) are trying to make it an acceptable way of debate; check out wikipedia's entry on ad hominem. it defies logic. btw, re: harvard, our latest supreme (kagan) determined doucheowitz did nothing unethical in interfering w/ fink's tenure. zio-cunt.
WikeddTung 1 year ago
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Norman Finkelstein at the University of Pennsylvania = /watch?v=6kouhKT_--8
FinkelVideo 1 year ago
Norman didn't go far enough, he should of tried to assemble a group of financiers to promote his discoveries and cause all around the world and then create a movement to boycott any institution and people that attempts to vilify him and his cause because that is all they can do in the end like chomsky said.
abe0101 1 year ago
Dershowitz should be killed. Fuck Israel, and their revisionist history.
alexanderchesneyable 1 year ago
@alexanderchesneyable Calm yourself....
pukpuk77 1 year ago
Is it me or does the shadow hitting Chomsky looks like a hitler mustache.
Jimbo898 1 year ago 5
@Jimbo898
hehehehe.
You're RIGHT!
that's awesome
suite508 1 year ago
I think that the administration at DePaul denied Finkelstein tenure out of fear of the Zionist lobby, but what truly motivated Dershowitz was a personal desire for revenge. Finkelstein had exposed and humiliated him. I am not sure that Dershowitz really cares that much about Israel at all.
gulshabbo 1 year ago
@gulshabbo It is so true the guy is decent and he could not give a lying bomb!!! Jews are spiteful because they treat their peolpe with so much disrecpect.
koolkol009 1 year ago
DERSHOWITZ IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DON'T TRUST LAWYERS. HE IS INDEED A SHAME TO HIS INSTITUTION. HE IS A TELLING EXAMPLE OF THE DETERIORATION OF HARVARD EDUCATION.
xpressivist 1 year ago
Has Chomsky given himself a Hitler mostasche? lol, go noam.
dortyhoor 1 year ago
Finkelstein has evolved beyond the ilk of what we call humanity and has reached enlightenment.
SOLISDEUS 1 year ago
Alan Dershowitz roams the earth and yet people still ponder the sources of anti-Semitism.
skradek 1 year ago 3
@skradek roams the earth... that made me laugh. But still, Noam and Finkelstein are Jewish so perhaps the source should change from Anti-Semitism to Anti-Zionism. Stay on the side of reason, otherwise you are no better then scum like Dershowitz.
baihbalm 1 year ago
Dershowitz can go to hell.
darkillity 1 year ago 3
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Hamas want Israel to go back to 67 borders then create 1 state to all Arabs and Jews, let all the refugees back into democratic state create majority to the Arabs, then they will take control and create fascistic sharia law state in Israel... and he think Israelis will say yes ? Israel was born to be home to the Jews it have to be Jewish state! Israel already gave 100% of Gaza and 97% of the wesbank and they say no, wile creating fascist land in Gaza.
Hamas: youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg
creatingfl 1 year ago
Hey Chomsky! Get a new sweater :)
aadityasaple 1 year ago
@aadityasaple
More brains in his bell-end your head kid. YSF
ysfaljanabi 1 year ago
alan dershowitz is a piece pf poop of my dog
SASHA1536 1 year ago 2
@SASHA1536 dont' bring your dog down dude!
jawadad802 1 year ago
shame on harvard for having dershowitz as professor. and harvard is the best university of the world? lol.
catalinaguerrero 1 year ago 45
The Finkelstein / Dershowitz debate was fun to watch -- Norman absolutely pulverized that lying weasel! Everyone should watch the documentary "American Radical: the trials of Norman Finkelstein" and read "The Fate of an Honest Intellectual" by Noam Chomsky. 7 seconds ago
RoadTweeker 1 year ago 5
@RoadTweeker
The most incredible part of that debate in my mind was when Norman Finkelstein brought up the quote directly from an Israeli source that they had engaged in some torture-esque techniques (or something to that effect). Dershowitz attempted to deflect that by saying that many of the "torture" techniques were also techniques used in Guantanamo. He even went so far as to euphemise it by calling it "rough interrogation".
I honestly could not believe what I was hearing.
BloggerMusicMan 1 year ago 6
@BloggerMusicMan Its a common tactic for people like this, who are clearly in the wrong , to become defensive and deflect responsibility by saying things like "well you torture people too" ....as if there is anything that excuses the wrongs committed by israel.....
Honestly Id have more respect for dershowitz if he just came out and said "Yes I am a zionist, like my parents before me , and I put israel and jews ahead of every one and every thing else on this earth"
Dannyboy855 7 months ago
@RoadTweeker Inturstin. I just saw American Radical. Although its overall sads, Finkelstein is always, funny. Even when he's angry, you're interested in what he's going to say because he's very articulate.
hiverhythm 1 year ago 2
@RoadTweeker Finkelstein so OWNED this pathological liar Dershowitz during the said encounter on DemocracyNow!
Thanks for the hint, I read Chomsky's article, it's very interesting and revealing. Dershowitz believes that Chomsky choses the "target" and then sends his "dog" Finkelstein to attack...LOL.
I really like Finkelstein but believe he goes to far in his solidarity with orgs like Hezbollah although I can see where he's coming from. And Dershowitz is your classic zionist traitor!
derunausstehlichekid 1 year ago 4
@RoadTweeker I have read the article you mentioned. It's fascinating. Cheers. I haven't seen the documentary, but I'd like to.
stoprainingonme 1 year ago
@MyOroInvictus Well, now again, remember that Goldstone himself (Goldstone Report) is a self-proclaimed zionist, and he documents Israel's crimes in his report. I know reaction to criticism of Israel is often one-sided, but it takes time to see through propaganda, and for the distractions (from the likes of Dershowitz and his ilk) to be ignored in favor of facing facts re: international law, etc. But it can happen!
SweetDissident 1 year ago
@MyOroInvictus: no, not really; because I see this as an issue of right/ wrong and justice v injustice, based on historical facts and a solid documentary record and international law. These are the important things to keep in mind. Privately, personally, yes it always makes me sad that ignorance and propaganda allow crimes supported by my country to continue. The best thing to do is stick with facts, present them, etc. and try to keep the focus where it belongs. Thanks!
SweetDissident 1 year ago
This is a statement by Chomsky on Cambodia after 1975
If a serious study is someday undertaken, it may well be discovered that the Khmer Rouge programmes elicited a positive response because they dealt with fundamental problems rooted in the feudal past and exacerbated by the imperial system. Such a study, however, has yet to be undertaken.
He is pretty naive, no?
CharlesDickens99 1 year ago
There is no God but Marx, and Chomsky is his messenger!!!
rachelgolem 2 years ago
watch?v=CLsi0Ialvxk
CosmicCannonBall 2 years ago
chomsky has a hitler mustache! lol! anyone else notice this?
WorldCapitalBeats 2 years ago
alan douchewitz is a joke. when u talk about elites pulling the strings, he right up there and he talks about peace and for the ppl and all that happily ever after crap. HE DOESNT CARE ABOUT ANYONE THAT IS NOT JEWISH. get it??
jumpjet88 2 years ago 88
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@jumpjet88
shut up moron
ugha323a 1 year ago
@jumpjet88
And, do you care for anyone that is not of your people??
NOT.
ugha323a 1 year ago
@jumpjet88 Israelite here, glad to see you focusing your energies on specific entities and not making outlandish statements against all Israelites.
smartpeasant 1 year ago
To come against the Holocaust Industry is to be destroyed by Jews in the most coordinated and systematic way, e.g., career, reputation, wealth, safety, friendships, academic credentials, government clearance and security, and, most important of all, freedom of speech, freedom to travel, freedom to live like free men.
1962SatanTookOver2 2 years ago 2
Is that Howard Zinn .. the 3rd person.. is it?
Packitlikesardines 2 years ago 8
@Packitlikesardines
Yes, it's him.
Narwal88 1 year ago
Dershowitz is a scumbag!
NYCHustler03 2 years ago 3