We can't just get nothing from something! None of the things in the universe gets lost. If we divide a particle infinitely then it may become so small that it loses it's characteristics and become "nothing". But there is no "nothing" if we are not looking for something specific, but as a whole. Who knows whether that "nothing" we get won't be "something" in different conditions? Different than the ones we know on the Earth?
@SunnyDays94 well as he said, it's not that you have "nothing" it is that everything dissolves under analysis. i've seen this conversation lead to talk of quarks, the mass of the gluon particle field, string theory, etc etc which is essentially pointless to debate because not enough is known.. :S
hi wanchoopark, i thought Thurman was saying the opposite...'manipulation' as a word has negative connotations of interference from above or outside... a 'system' could mean that we are too interconnected for anyone to dictate the whole show or even to try and manipulate key parts... still confused though.... who gets to arrange things? well, it seems we just need to replace the CCP with Tibetan lamas? something doesn't sound right there though...
You want proof? Take Einsteins relativity theory. The observer becomes all of the sudden part of the equation of reality. Science went leaps further in quantum theory and discovered that the act of observing actually influences the outcome of the experiment (entangled particles).
Buddhists would rather change their theory if it doesn't match scientific outcome. Thus far they didn't need to.
I'm not sure if this is relevant but here goes. If you are walking towards a door and with each step you move exactly half way to the door. Than you will never reach the door. See? because after all the half-way steps you can only continuously get halfway to the door, never completely reaching the door. This isn't something i made up I came across this thought experiment in a philosophy course.
Presupposing the infinitely divisible nature of matter, how could a substance ever disappear? Given the half-step-to-door analogy how could continuous division ever result in anything other than more and more divisible pieces. Please consider I have no formal training in physics but have I made myself clear? Does this make sense to anyone? I am interested to hear what you guys think about this.
I am not arguing for or against anything I am simply opening up a, hopefully interesting, discussion.
@TheWillIamLee87 (part 1 of 2) The element missing from the half-step thought experiment is the aspect of time. When you include time, it becomes very clear. If you keep a constant speed, then when you move from your starting spot to the halfway point toward the door, it took you x amount of time. Now, to move halfway between THAT point and the new halfway mark takes you 1/2x time...
@TheWillIamLee87 (part 2 of 3) ...So you DO keep cutting in half the distance, but also the time it takes to traverse it. As the slices of distance approach infinity (and thus become infinitely smaller), the time it takes to cross them approaches zero. So, you can move through an infinite number of slices in zero time (zero x infinity = 0) and thus arrive.
Luck is the fundamental principle of our lives. I dont want to sound arrogant, but about a year ago I proved it. SO far, nobody has beaten me. No brag, just fact.
try this,a lucky person is considered unlucky because they are are subjected to the law of gaining and losing forever so aslong the beleif is maintained.
and an unlucky person is subjected to being at fault for their own actions.
you cant be basing your life on luck. someone else can control it vs another persons reality thats aggressive, scientific, religeouse...etc I tried it lol. and it gets to the point where you have to be selfish to maintain it. luck is no skill - be skilled
Does anyone know of Good Resources on teaching me how the no-self doctrine in Buddhism and the advocation of morality and reincarnation works? If there is no self as in "I" then there is no "Buddha" or the Dali Lama. We are all interconnected and are one I would assume.
I don't think he missed the motivations of the LHC....what I gathered is that they are trying to find the elementary particles of the universe. If a group of scientists could do that, it would give arise to the concept of "owning" what was most basic about existence...."owning" the concept of un-divisibility. Yet 1 can never stand alone, and in clinging to that, one will find an infinite number of particles to cling to, continuing the cycle
The LHC project is not about ownership, it's about science, and inasmuch, about understanding the very nature of the universe. It is really no proprietary project, though CERN has been proceeding about the project, with notable authority.
Before watching this video I believed the same. No one hasn't discovered the atom yet. Apart from that, The ALL is energy and energy has infinite forms and ways of self-manifesting, cos energy is vibration in an infinite scale. Likewise we all are great clusters of supercodes decoding the codes of all what has been coded. Do all of this make the world better? The human being a new living entity? Think about it, too.
So "contemplating" the horrors and the horrible sufferings resulting from evil and criminal crimes is just a "contemplative show" ?!!! What a weak, coward, egocentric, egoist, numbrilist+uneffective thinking and attitude ! So your message is : just let crimes, massacres and crimes go on... with your submitted infantile smiles !!!
Sounds like you may have wtitten that with a smirk on your face as you imagine all the evil that goes on in the world. It sounds like you may be on the dark side, and like it that way. If it seems like it, and I get the impression.....IT is.
@wordauras Nothingness is a State of Arupa Jhana. what really valuable is Understanding and meditating on Impermanence And Not self. Maha Punnama Sutta is a great start. Accesstoinsight website's Tipitaka Suttas got wt u looking for :)) watch videos 7-13 for impermanence in my playlist. Metta to u
He knows what he is talking about. just as a frog croaks to sound the day.
A frog may not always know to say what the cow on the river bank may think of the flies which happened upon to visit.
people may know what they know, I do not think that people often work against what they believe to be reasonable.
Peoples' lives are long. mind is deep., in time. ideas, like echos in a vast cavern, past which flows a river, ripple and reverberate in the space, known even to sleeping bats in their dreams.
He knows exactly what he is talking about, Buddha even said, once you awaken and begin your voyage, you will look back to find all you have been experiencing will be gone, an illusion. Life is an illusion of the senses. Orchestrated by? This is why we, (like a blood hounds instincts with his nose)
have to probe, deeper, and deeper, Everything is relative:)
probing deep is a good thing..with knowledge we gain understanding. with understanding we gain reason..but, we cannot be obessed like a bloodhound is obsessed. in the very pursuit of the knowledge we need to eventually gain reason, we can lose all reason..the same as a bloodhound..nothing else matters except the hunt...my dad has a beagle who will sniff all over our property in the summer..he won't stop until we force him to..he will walk until he can't anymore.
he would die of heat exhaustion if we didn't force him into the house to drink..he becomes obsessed..he smells the wild cats and he won't stop until he finds what is creating the smell..it reminds me of modern science..it's a bunch of men obsessed with knowledge..who will stop at nothing to gain some knowledge. knowledge which will eventually lead to more mystery..and then to more knowledge, and then to more mystery..we're all bloodhounds sniffing down an endless tunnel..
GOD is something believe but there is no understand. What could be the reason behind GOD had to create world like this? It is a easy method believe something rather than understand. If someone difficult to understand the nature its easy to believe GOD.
What a load of crap. Ultimately where the path of elementary particles takes us is unknown, but the idea that they aren't discrete as far as we know is nonsense. I have no problem with Buddha or Buddhism , but I do have a problem with people like this guy speaking so authoritatively on the Nature of reality from a completely baseless position. Don't examine the fundamental reality of Nature on the basis of this quackery, which is the only thing that will dissolve when put to the test.
Buddha taught us that life is emptiness. Even great scientist Albert Einstein had proven that.
Everything Buddha taught is about truth It was tested again and again. It was proven to be true as there are many enlightened arahat who walked Buddha's path.
Buddhism is a religion without a god figure. How do we get protection? We get protection from devas. On the other hand, Buddha pointed out that the best protection is to keep the 5 precepts. The Power of truth is far greater than power of god!
What nonsense - How can people worship fraudulent, mythical, fictional nonsense. Science makes religion irrelevant - ALL religions, Krishna, Hindi, Buddha, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and all the other brands of "belief in so-called god". But if you believe in silly angels, miracles, afterlife, judgment day with a fictional god - such bullshit - until one day yo may WAKE UP. Religion is FRAUD, it is evil - promotes death, war, genocide, murder, slavery - it is just EVIL..
organized human perpetuated religion is as divine as my toilet seat..but, the science of quantum mechanics, makes a spiritual realm a possibility..we all possess 5 senses..those 5 sense only give us access to reality as we know it. the spiritual realm could simply be a science we cannot perceive. just as lower life forms cannot perceive the world on the same level as us.
oh, here's the video u were referring to..i smoke too much pot huh?..pot only has detramental effects when your in that high state constantly..which i am not. u have no understanding of marijuanas effects as i'm assuming u never did it..once u come down, your mind is perfectly clarified again, and you're as sober as u were before u smoked.
physics have already proven that other spacial dimensions exist. we simply cannot perceive them,just as a figure in 2D space cannot perceive our dimension.
IF there are other realms other than the one we can percieve, how can u rely on the science and rules we know and use in this realm to define the level of abusurdity of other possible realms?..when it comes to the universe, and the origin of everything, (something our known science can never grasp) knowledge is nothing, and imagination is everything..there could be so many possibilites other than what our finite 5 senses confront us with.
Buddha said that the universe is infinite. If we keep asking how and when the world was created, we'll go crazy.
Buddha is fully enlightened. He has eradicated greed, anger and delusion. Omnisient is the appropiate word to describe BUddha. Buddha is unsurpassed in terms of morality, knowledge and supernatural powers.
To be a Buddha means be possessed with 9 supreme qualities. For us, if we enlighten, we are merely arahat. Nothings compares to Sakymuni Buddha.
buddha is finite, not infinite...he even declared the universe is...he just claimed he is enlightened.Buddha himself was created by a SUPREME being......
how the world/universe was created is found in the BIBLE at the book of GENESIS....it says there"in the beginning....."
just because it's more comforting to our sanity to conclude that the universe is infinite, doesn't mean it's actually infinite. it isn't truly knowledgable to conclude that the universe is infinite simply out of comfort to the mind.
but, what i say, and i assume u would say, is that true knowledge is realizing we don't know everything..when it comes to the origin of the universe, concluding that we don't know, is more knowledgeable than seeking knowledge we cannot obtain.
Lord Buddha knew all the knowledge in the world. That is how one can become a Buddha.
To be known as a Buddha, one has to attain 9 supreme qualities.
Buddha said that he would only teach us what would lead us to enlightenment. Not those knowledge that would not benefit in our quest of enlightenment. So there are 10 questions that Buddha would not answer and this is one of them.
You're right in saying that the knowledge we acquire is merely knowledge without realization. Realization is the goal
I am guessing you follow the Mahayana or Tibetan branch? I believe Buddha was just the first psychologist. Ridiculously genius whose philosophy I follow. The basis of the philosophy deep down is just, don't be addicted to anything. Especially your own brain drugs.
I actually have. What is desire in the 4 noble truths but an addiction to ones own emotions. What is the middle way but a balance between indulgence and abstinence. One half of buddhist training to to help you unlearn bad habits and what you think you know which leads to your own addictions. Awareness and meditation are needed in the event of overcoming addictions especially when the addictions are hard to detect like that of negative emotions.
i believe those scientists,those geniuses...but GOD created them all. GOD is behind them....their beginnings and their endings,their accomplishments,etc-----only those people refuse to believe who they are and where they come from..they ought to know HIM and give thanks!
anything thought of to be outside our realm of reality is merely an invention of the mind. it could be true, sure, but why believe anything at all outside of our own known reality?..we should just go with our 5 senses..go with what we know, and accept the things we don't know..it only makes sense..
@itzahazylife Kinda like saying why go to the moon, we have eveything we need right here? Why did Columbus sail across the sea? Why make Miracle whip:) or Margirin:) LOL Because no matter how far you go there is another realm of reality, so we have to continue to probe:) Enjoy:)
if there is no atom, and everything is infinitely divisible, then discovery is merely a circle..discovery takes us no where..if u walk along an infinite line, u may appear to be going foward, but u are gaining nothing..u are going nowhere..and anything u gain knowledge about along that infinite line, reveals more mystery..obsession with discovery always leaves us wanting to know more..everything we learn is merely a fragmane to something else..something infinite..so, why continue to probe?
@itzahazylife Well I believe we are here to "be, do, have," to experience, MEST, matter, energy, space, time, we are part of this cosmic energy in this universe what ever form it originates from, and that's the quest, find our roots. Then like the very universe implodes and the big bang starts all over again,--the cycle of life, Mest starts all over again, --birth--life--death--start--change--stop, we are all travelers in time. Enjoy the MEST.
fragment of imaginazed abstraction, what importance can have such thing.. besides that it is just a dream and when you wake up it never had importance at all if it didnt have anything to do with the very waking up?
probing deep is a good thing..with knowledge we gain understanding. with understanding we gain reason..but, we cannot be obessed like a bloodhound is obsessed. in the very pursuit of the knowledge we need to eventually gain reason, we can lose all reason..the same as a bloodhound..nothing else matters except the hunt...my dad has a beagle who will sniff all over our property in the summer..he won't stop until we force him to..he will walk until he can't anymore.
there is either an infinite material world, or there is god (a creator, an ultimate force...whatever god may mean to someone)..believing in either is pointless..either belief is based off of nothing. the thing is, as humans, we cannot help but have a belief..the trick is reminding ourselves not to take those beliefs seriously, as they are based off of absolutely nothing...just pure faith..faith is merely self-comfort..a self-assurance..it isn't truth..there is only earthly truth..
science is so behind in its understanding of reality. It will never catch up. science is a dying perspective in terms of discovering reality or truth. science can only help us build things and make general rules for how to help understand things conceptually. Reality can only be found by methods similar to Buddhism.
Sigh... Here we go again! All these religions trying to prove how scientifically advaced they are and how they got all the facts before anyone else.
Let me ask this, if buddists/muslims/christians had such advanced knowledge of quantum physics classical physics chemistry and all the other disciplines then why did they not develop nuclear power, computers, advanced weaponary or air planes? all of which could have advanced their causes a thousand fold.
If thats your thing I say fair enough, but it irritates me that the spiritual types keep trying to hook in people with this appeal to the rational ie: claiming that their religion is true because of some ancient saying that is painfully contorted to fit a scientific theory. I may be wrong but your comment reads to me like you think there can be no fulfilment in the the material world and discovering naturalistic wonders, I'd like to assure you this is not true.
your point of view of buddhism is very misunderstood. Buddhism is something people come to understand without being told how. I came to understand "buddhism" completely independent from any teachings. It is a word to describe the concept of people discovering the truth of reality, not a religion. But then again, you cannot learn that from me. You'd have to really take the time to quiet your mind and the distractions of sensations to understand. Oh, and its definitely worth it.
It's also in its organised form quite discriminitory. The dalai lama supports the caste system that condemns certain factions of buddhist socitey to servitude. Now I'm not saying that there arent lessons to be learned from buddhist culture i'm simply saying that this guy is cherry picking and distorting quotes from buddhist texts and trying to apply them to things they were almost certainly not intended. This is of late a common practice amongst theist and alternative cultures.
i apologize for my assumption. I guess I don't consider the organized form of Buddhism. I find it ridiculous that someone would organize an independent form of thought.
Thats ok, but I'm not sure what you mean by "I find it ridiculous that someone would organize an independent form of thought" First of all what do you define as independant thought and do you mean that an independent thought can only be generated by a higher power or spirt, ie: that you feel that the human physiology alone is insufficient to do this? If you reqire a spirit for independant thought what would you define it (the spirit) as?
I mean something else but I'll save that for a second. I believe that human physiology is a reflection of a "higher power", and I'd say that you and I are "part" of that "higher power". I put quotes around "part" because I do not believe that the "higher power" is actually divisible. Everything is "higher power" except its reflection, which is our perception of the real world.
Anyway, back to your question, I mean that I find it strange that people organize religions around something so pure and then make the organization the focus. In that way people lose the entire point. People "worship" ways of seeing truth without ever seeing it. They build complex systems of bullshit around the simple truth making its beauty hidden and appear shitty to the rest of the world. Its sad. Religions are a way of burying the truth in bullshit.
While I see the positive personal benefits of budhisim I still fail to see why the gentleman in the video is trying to tie up a spiritual system to a scientific one. He talks of infinate divisibility whilst not having ever been involvled in an experiment to study this. The work done in CERN is supported by decades of mathmatical study and he comes along and says they're mistaken without a single scrap of scientific evidence, i find that a little condescending myself.
they're looking for a number of things the most publicised being the higgs boson particle which would form the bridge between massive particles and massless particles. Essentially it would be the smallest thing that could be called matter.
Yeah, but matter, mass, and energy are all quickly becoming outdated words. They are only conceptually real. Mass only exist and is only measurable because of gravity, and we don't understand gravity. Matter is a state of energy, and energy is basically just everything. If the higgs boson particle in fact explains gravity i doubt that will be the end. Just like people thought the atom was the smallest particle, then the electron, then... It will go on and on.
I'm certain it won't be the end. But it still doesn't make the statements in the video scientific, the musings of a person in a state of meditation do not constitute evidence nor should they be considered such. Budhisim also includes reincarnation and karmic justice as part of its tennets, is there any evidence of that? The use of a vaugary contained within the doctrine that can be somehow construed in a way that is possibly true really doesn't count for much without supporting evidence.
It's certainly true that there are different levels of evidence (Circumstantial or empirical for instance). By evidence I am referring to something that has come from reliable unbiased sources that can be measured, tested and recorded. As for proof, well we'll never be 100% certain about anything but we can be certain enough to accept some stuff. Quantum physics has at its heart an acceptance of the fact that it will not know everything, but the theory is proven so far beyond reasonable doubt.
I'd say native americans were much more advanced than we are, and they have almost no technology comparitively. technology doesn't make someone advanced, an understanding of life does.
I think that really depends on what you mean by advanced. The native americans were terrific at managing their land but then they had thousands of years of local experiance. I'd point out though that they were very quick also to utilise modern advances from the settlers (ie guns) to make their lives easier, plus the modern world has major advances in food production that would appear frankly miraculous to them.
I believe that many native american's would have found our methods of food production to completely devalue life and disgrace our planet. Also, it's difficult to sum up so many groups into one category . i guess it's kind of difficult to have a discussion about the feelings of many groups of people as one group.
Some of them probably (I'm thinking in the meat farming area) but we can grow crops in places that would have been impossible before and make them resistant to frost and pests that would have decimated their crops. "i guess it's kind of difficult to have a discussion about the feelings of many groups of people as one group. " You aren't wrong mate :)
but then again I think being advanced would be the ability and implementation of practices that allow one to live alongside the rest of nature with very limited disruption of its natural processes. My point of view is that the manipulation of genetic material by splicing genes is a very bad idea. We do not know what the impact will be on the global ecosystem. It is very probable that we are dooming future generations.
Nature balances itself quite well, but such drastic changes to the system will more than likely be catastrophic to its natural regulation. Science doesn't take into account intuition. Using science, which probably has unlimited potential, combined with lack of foresight is very foolish. Albert Einstein has commented on his lack of foresight when discovering nuclear power.
I'm sure he could have discovered much more if he hadn't made that realization, and I'm also sure his discoveries would have been motivated by good intentions, but such power is not intended for those without a spiritual understanding of reality. Not that I'm suggesting Albert Einstein was without spiritual understanding. I mean that his discoveries will be used by those who don't understand. It was Einstein's spiritual understanding that detered him from potentially harmful future discoveries.
If you look at it like that then any invention is a bad thing. For example dynamite was invented not as a weapon but as a safer alternative to black powder (for use in mining, dynamite reduced accidental explosions dramatically and saved many lives). Your computer technology that provides you the ability to communicate across the world is also used in bombs, nuclear power has the potential to get us out of a major enviromental crissis or least mitigate it by reducing our carbon output.
yes, i see the problem i am almost crossing. I was thinking earlier about the chinese and their use of fireworks and how that eventually led to explosive projectiles. I agree that I'm walking a very thin line when i look at things that way. I guess i probably presented my perspective sort of incorrectly. Einstein wasn't doing something bad when he and others were discovering nuclear power. Personally I don't believe in such things as clear good and bad, but it is like pandora's box regardless.
The same is true with direct genetic manipulation. Its intentions are of course to make a good technology but the effects of its use will be enormously destructive to global ecosystems. These "super" plants will eventually destroy "non-super" plants, or at least take their place. Such a drastic change to our planet should not be done so lightly. These plants are already passing their genetic code throughout the world by their pollen.
The issue of if a spiritual person is better suited to decide on how and what technology comes into being is highly questionable, Muslims and christians believe themselves very spiritual but I don't personally believe that qualifies them to do jack. George Bush Jr also is a (self proclaimed, he even claims a 1on1 relationship with god) highly spirtual person and yet he's made extraordinarily dubious decisions that he's justified by his faith.
I feel stupid saying this (as if my perspective is better than everyone elses), but I don't think religious people are ever very spiritual. I think religiosity and spirituality are possibly direct opposites. George Bush is a moron.
I wouldn't describe you as stupid at all, I am actually rather enjoying this conversation. The problem I see with spirituality is that is a deeply personal thing, one mans yin is another mans yang if you will. For instance the experience of communing with god is for religious people the height of spirituality, this would lead ME to think that spirtuality is subjective while a christian would say that I am just wrong (and possibly a hellbound heretic lol).
yeah, it's an interesting discussion. I watched "The Golden Compass" last night and I was BLOWN AWAY. I have never seen anything like it in mainstream society or anything with its attitude that is so beautiful. If you haven't seen it I recommend it, and if you have seen it, what are your thoughts. It's point of view on authority and religion are right on, and its open mindedness mixed with intense creativity is breathtaking.
I had heard it is good, yeah i think i might rent it out this week thanks for the recommendation. I heard it caused a bit of a stir over the states too.
i didn't even know about the the "stir" until after I saw it. I told my mom about it and she said, "she hadn't planned on watching it because the catholic church told everyone to boycott it." my mom is catholic. Where are you from?
ha. you spelled a few words slightly different than American English so I assumed there was a English English influence in your spelling. I believe that some of my ancestors were from Lincolnshire. They had the last name Dixon. I'm from Ames, Iowa, US. What are the main views on America over there? What are your views?
"the manipulation of genetic material by splicing genes is a very bad idea." Its been done for centuries in the form of cross breeding (cows sheep crops dogs cats and the list goes on), the only difference now is its done in a lab in order to achieve the results intended more efficently.
Yes, the two methods are have similar results, but they are two very different methods. The power of direct manipulation of genes has unlimited potential. I'd say even more potential than nuclear power. I don't feel that such power should be used before we, as a planet, openly discuss the dangers associated with it. A lethal bacteria could EASILY be synthesized purposefully or even as a side effect of another GMO. We are playing with something much more powerful than we understand.
Also, I'm sure that as settlers moved onto their land and started changing everything and killing natives, the natives were trying anything to preserve their beautiful cultures. Without guns they stood no chance against the settlers. It's similar to nuclear weapons.
I'm an American and I think it's ridiculous that America has nuclear weapons but ridicules other countries for trying to make them. of course anyone would want an equal force to defend themselves with. Being the first to make a weapon shows a lack of understanding, using the same weapon to defend does not show great understanding, but at least it shows a greater understanding than those who created the weapon.
I'm sure they were (I would like to point out at this point I am in no way advocating what happened to them) but my point is that guns were also used for hunting because it was more efficient than their own meathods. Their culture was fascinating and yes beautiful in a way but advanced? Thats very debatable. As for nukes. There are many reasons for America to want to stop the middle east attaining them, not least because of the unstable nature of their governments.
I'd have to watch the video again. I guess I wasn't thinking that he was tying a spiritual system to a scientific system as much as he was saying that scientific systems are limited to what we can directly observe and record but spiritual systems are not limited so spiritual systems, consequently, have the potential to be ahead of scientific systems.
This is similar to philosophy and psychology. Philosophy is always ahead of psychology. Philosophy/Spirituality discover truth and Psychology/Science/Religion find ways to implement "truths" to the world.
it's dangerous how he thinks he can predict scientific results from buddhist quotes.
many buddhist sayings (esp. in zen buddism) meant to be ambiguous. which means you can always find an interpretation of the text that suits the situation.
this makes it a decent mind frame for the acceptance and understanding of empirical results, but you can't replace empirical work with it.
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"Decay is inherent in all component things! Work out your salvation with diligence." (Last words of the Buddha) The second law of thermodynamics states that in any isolated system, the degree of disorder can only increase. Our universe is an isolated system, so the degree of disorder is always increasing. How is this possible? Human mortality is related to the amount of entropy in our body. How could the Budda have had such deep insight into the nature of the universe, so long ago ???
"The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the universal law of increasing entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium."
Jeez, he's not against science. Just listen. He says Buddha reached enlightenment by understanding the world around him (read: science). He's just talking about our culture's obsession with control and domination. While science is great, it's important for us to realize we're not the center of the universe.
Sorry sparky, but you've got it wrong.....again. Atheists do NOT think they know everything. Some of them think that through science much can be known, some believe that much will be known and some believe that eventually through science all can be known. But they lack the ignorance and arrogance to claim they know the bottom most truths of the universe. You, on the other hand, do. And you think that anyone that disagrees or doesn't participate in your communal delusion is damned for *cont*
all of eternity. This is the absolute height of arrogance. As the bible said, don't worry about the speck of saw dust in your neighbors eye, look first to deal with the red wood in your own eye.
Sorry sparky but you have me wrong, all I am saying is people who bash all religions as hogwash and take nothing from its teaching miss the point of it. I don't believe in God either but I cannot prove he does not exist either.
I don't say this too often, but I apologize. Your comment closely tracked the usual script of fundamentalists when they attack Atheism and science. I too believe in the existence of Gods, but it is a different view than the main stream shares. In the massive potentiality of the multiverse the existence of Gods or God like beings is not only probable, it is damn near unavoidable. But I 'think' that we really wouldn't want to have any dealings with them. Think Cthulhlu.
Wow, an apology on YouTube...that's gotta be a first. And I guess that's the cause--YouTube, not atheism. I guess it's also the whole revenge mentality: atheists are pissed about thousands of years of religious persecution (which they weren't alive for) and are now getting their kicks out of persecuting religion.
So, yeah, I agree that most atheists are respectful, intelligent, etc (though, again, not so much on YouTube). As for God(s), I also agree that it's a concept that we can't really know.
I don't know why it is so uncommon? It didn't cost my a thing and I was wrong. I do not back down no matter how hard some one tries to bully me when I am certain I am right. I think that basic courtesy is the greatest loss when one looks at what the pros and cons of internet interactions are.
BTW, I to am not an Atheist. But I do share some commonalities with them such as their distrust and distaste of most mainstream Religions. Faith and spirituality are not team sports.
it would be hard to determine whether or not your analysis is correct w/o attempting to gain an understanding. i would call that a closed mind, an argument from incredulity. your atheism is overlapping and attacking philosophical codes which do not require 'blind faith' - not sure if you are aware of this.
so if you don't rely on logic, and you reject faith, do you just choose what is valid by whim?
What the Buddha said seems to make a lot of sense, and as a way of life its pretty cool... What I don't get is why all these so call rinpoches and monks ask for so much money in order to give you teachings, when the Buddha never did so... also neither him nor any Mahasiddha had luxurious cars, centres all over the world or proclaim being the leader of anything. As a former translator I never read such things in any Tibetan texts. Buddhism has become a religion (in a pejorative sense)
This is great. Check out Nassim Haramein's new discoveries in physics. He explains this in a more scientific way. Infinite and finite systems are complementary.
what the fuck? it's disgusting that religious people try to latch onto modern science and pretend to posse more knowledge than humanity have gathered over centuries of discovery.
YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ATTAIN NOTHING . BUT IT COULD STILL BE ALL YOU HAVE .
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9493760 6 months ago
Bob... you're a very wise compassionate person :D
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happytenzin 7 months ago
We can't just get nothing from something! None of the things in the universe gets lost. If we divide a particle infinitely then it may become so small that it loses it's characteristics and become "nothing". But there is no "nothing" if we are not looking for something specific, but as a whole. Who knows whether that "nothing" we get won't be "something" in different conditions? Different than the ones we know on the Earth?
SunnyDays94 10 months ago
@SunnyDays94 i agree, I think he was slightly mistaken to say that the way he did
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SunnyDays94 well as he said, it's not that you have "nothing" it is that everything dissolves under analysis. i've seen this conversation lead to talk of quarks, the mass of the gluon particle field, string theory, etc etc which is essentially pointless to debate because not enough is known.. :S
SuperSymmetricS 3 weeks ago
hi wanchoopark, i thought Thurman was saying the opposite...'manipulation' as a word has negative connotations of interference from above or outside... a 'system' could mean that we are too interconnected for anyone to dictate the whole show or even to try and manipulate key parts... still confused though.... who gets to arrange things? well, it seems we just need to replace the CCP with Tibetan lamas? something doesn't sound right there though...
kingofaikido 11 months ago
what is the difference between 'manipulating' and 'arranging'?
kingofaikido 11 months ago
@kingofaikido we can manipulate a system and we can arrange things which are independent of each other. in a system things are related
wanchoopark 11 months ago
People who have no understanding of quantum physis should not talk about it.
DonnyDeutschisBigBro 1 year ago
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@DonnyDeutschisBigBro People who have no understanding of how to spell quantum "physis" should not comment on it.
Composer19691 1 year ago
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro what do you understand about quantum physics?
lookatmepleasesir 1 year ago
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro People who think they understand quantum physics also know nothing about quantum physics.
egodrive 6 months ago
If you really think deep and hard about this you realize the only way anything can phenomenally exist is if nothing truly exists.
hubbabubbamax000 1 year ago
@hubbabubbamax000 I should add on that by 'truly exist' I mean independently. All phenomena are interdependent.
hubbabubbamax000 1 year ago
@hubbabubbamax000 dude stop being retarded and stop thinking you have the answer when you dont
bjapan96 1 year ago
@bjapan96 Please show me something that can exist independently and I'll admit I'm retarded.
hubbabubbamax000 1 year ago
Nothing is the something you can have !
imahtuag 1 year ago
thank you for continuing the message.
marissasun77 1 year ago
You want proof? Take Einsteins relativity theory. The observer becomes all of the sudden part of the equation of reality. Science went leaps further in quantum theory and discovered that the act of observing actually influences the outcome of the experiment (entangled particles).
Buddhists would rather change their theory if it doesn't match scientific outcome. Thus far they didn't need to.
alaarman 1 year ago
I'm not sure if this is relevant but here goes. If you are walking towards a door and with each step you move exactly half way to the door. Than you will never reach the door. See? because after all the half-way steps you can only continuously get halfway to the door, never completely reaching the door. This isn't something i made up I came across this thought experiment in a philosophy course.
TheWillIamLee87 1 year ago
Presupposing the infinitely divisible nature of matter, how could a substance ever disappear? Given the half-step-to-door analogy how could continuous division ever result in anything other than more and more divisible pieces. Please consider I have no formal training in physics but have I made myself clear? Does this make sense to anyone? I am interested to hear what you guys think about this.
I am not arguing for or against anything I am simply opening up a, hopefully interesting, discussion.
TheWillIamLee87 1 year ago 2
@TheWillIamLee87 (part 1 of 2) The element missing from the half-step thought experiment is the aspect of time. When you include time, it becomes very clear. If you keep a constant speed, then when you move from your starting spot to the halfway point toward the door, it took you x amount of time. Now, to move halfway between THAT point and the new halfway mark takes you 1/2x time...
dtstrain 1 year ago
@TheWillIamLee87 (part 2 of 3) ...So you DO keep cutting in half the distance, but also the time it takes to traverse it. As the slices of distance approach infinity (and thus become infinitely smaller), the time it takes to cross them approaches zero. So, you can move through an infinite number of slices in zero time (zero x infinity = 0) and thus arrive.
dtstrain 1 year ago
@TheWillIamLee87 Sorry, that last comment was supposed to read "(part 2 of 2)"
dtstrain 1 year ago
@dtstrain Or was THIS comment supposed to read "(part 3 of 3)?" Hmm...
BTW that was an awesome comment, almost sort of "proves" the paradoxical nature of things.
Leusifer 1 year ago
Really interesting talk, but close your eyes and tell me that doesn't sound like kermit the frog
guitaral4 1 year ago 2
The ancient greeks figured out that matter couldn't be infinitely divisible because a structure couldn't exist.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
@EclecticSceptic Which Greek and/or Greeks were that?
jabiv25 1 year ago
@jabiv25 Democritus
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
Watch this , "BBC: Science and Islam - Part 1 " on Youtube
inder19852000 1 year ago
check out youtube vid:
Burke Lecture: Buddhism in a Global Age of Technology
watch google video:
Thomas McEvilley on 'The Shape of Ancient Thought'
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
Luck is the fundamental principle of our lives. I dont want to sound arrogant, but about a year ago I proved it. SO far, nobody has beaten me. No brag, just fact.
NBTY4ever 1 year ago
@NBTY4ever
try this,a lucky person is considered unlucky because they are are subjected to the law of gaining and losing forever so aslong the beleif is maintained.
and an unlucky person is subjected to being at fault for their own actions.
you cant be basing your life on luck. someone else can control it vs another persons reality thats aggressive, scientific, religeouse...etc I tried it lol. and it gets to the point where you have to be selfish to maintain it. luck is no skill - be skilled
MoGotMilk 1 year ago
@NBTY4ever I wanna hear about your proof! Sounds interesting.
Leusifer 1 year ago
Does anyone know of Good Resources on teaching me how the no-self doctrine in Buddhism and the advocation of morality and reincarnation works? If there is no self as in "I" then there is no "Buddha" or the Dali Lama. We are all interconnected and are one I would assume.
VegetaFedor 1 year ago
If something exist, than it can be divided. Just because we humans don't have the technology to divide something doesn't mean it can't be divided.
MrFuckyoubitch69 1 year ago
@self == i concur
LampoonedHerd 1 year ago
I don't think he missed the motivations of the LHC....what I gathered is that they are trying to find the elementary particles of the universe. If a group of scientists could do that, it would give arise to the concept of "owning" what was most basic about existence...."owning" the concept of un-divisibility. Yet 1 can never stand alone, and in clinging to that, one will find an infinite number of particles to cling to, continuing the cycle
sublyme33 1 year ago
The LHC project is not about ownership, it's about science, and inasmuch, about understanding the very nature of the universe. It is really no proprietary project, though CERN has been proceeding about the project, with notable authority.
Gimmal1492 1 year ago 2
@Gimmal1492 ya I was with everything said in this video until he got the motivations behind the LHC wrong but maybe he knows more about that now. ^_^
jaksajak 1 year ago
Before watching this video I believed the same. No one hasn't discovered the atom yet. Apart from that, The ALL is energy and energy has infinite forms and ways of self-manifesting, cos energy is vibration in an infinite scale. Likewise we all are great clusters of supercodes decoding the codes of all what has been coded. Do all of this make the world better? The human being a new living entity? Think about it, too.
Multiversalismo 1 year ago
very interesting and educational video.
Tartersauce101 2 years ago
So "contemplating" the horrors and the horrible sufferings resulting from evil and criminal crimes is just a "contemplative show" ?!!! What a weak, coward, egocentric, egoist, numbrilist+uneffective thinking and attitude ! So your message is : just let crimes, massacres and crimes go on... with your submitted infantile smiles !!!
marcosacha 2 years ago
Sounds like you may have wtitten that with a smirk on your face as you imagine all the evil that goes on in the world. It sounds like you may be on the dark side, and like it that way. If it seems like it, and I get the impression.....IT is.
televisionsux 1 year ago
NOTHINGNESS is perfect truth.
It is only when the observer begins to examine SOMETHING, that the possibilities of error become probable.
And in the midst of thinking about EVERYTHING, he will have already become confused. E.J.Z.
wordauras 2 years ago
@wordauras Nothingness is a State of Arupa Jhana. what really valuable is Understanding and meditating on Impermanence And Not self. Maha Punnama Sutta is a great start. Accesstoinsight website's Tipitaka Suttas got wt u looking for :)) watch videos 7-13 for impermanence in my playlist. Metta to u
AryaSravaka 1 year ago
Can such heretical atom exist in the nature ? Atom : Electron & Proton Pauli wrote in 1924 : Each quantum state in the atom is not limited
of two electrons, but only of one electron
It means in the atom can be only one single electron
The electron manages the atom
If the atom contains more than one electron
(for example two) this atom represents Siamese twins Save us God of having many electrons in the atoms and cells
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
socratus1 2 years ago
their is five high supreme budda do you know that ?
sonlove21 2 years ago
Zeno's paradox is a defence of Parmenides,
it is an attempt at proof of the infinite divisibility of space.
the space within is as infinite as without.
Time also has this property of infinite divisibility.
There is a difference, Parmenides intuited that eventually once would come to an infinite unmoving point.
Indeed, we require infinite energy in physics to onserve. but it is always there.
infinity is what it is made of, uncaused, uncausing.
all the same infinite stuff,
marsCubed 2 years ago
this person do he knoiw what he talkiong about
sonlove21 2 years ago
He knows what he is talking about. just as a frog croaks to sound the day.
A frog may not always know to say what the cow on the river bank may think of the flies which happened upon to visit.
people may know what they know, I do not think that people often work against what they believe to be reasonable.
Peoples' lives are long. mind is deep., in time. ideas, like echos in a vast cavern, past which flows a river, ripple and reverberate in the space, known even to sleeping bats in their dreams.
marsCubed 2 years ago
you,do you know what your typing.
phififopham 2 years ago
@sonlove21
He knows exactly what he is talking about, Buddha even said, once you awaken and begin your voyage, you will look back to find all you have been experiencing will be gone, an illusion. Life is an illusion of the senses. Orchestrated by? This is why we, (like a blood hounds instincts with his nose)
have to probe, deeper, and deeper, Everything is relative:)
chakrachaser 2 years ago
probing deep is a good thing..with knowledge we gain understanding. with understanding we gain reason..but, we cannot be obessed like a bloodhound is obsessed. in the very pursuit of the knowledge we need to eventually gain reason, we can lose all reason..the same as a bloodhound..nothing else matters except the hunt...my dad has a beagle who will sniff all over our property in the summer..he won't stop until we force him to..he will walk until he can't anymore.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
he would die of heat exhaustion if we didn't force him into the house to drink..he becomes obsessed..he smells the wild cats and he won't stop until he finds what is creating the smell..it reminds me of modern science..it's a bunch of men obsessed with knowledge..who will stop at nothing to gain some knowledge. knowledge which will eventually lead to more mystery..and then to more knowledge, and then to more mystery..we're all bloodhounds sniffing down an endless tunnel..
itzahazylife 2 years ago
GOD is something believe but there is no understand. What could be the reason behind GOD had to create world like this? It is a easy method believe something rather than understand. If someone difficult to understand the nature its easy to believe GOD.
slbuwalanka 2 years ago
What a load of crap. Ultimately where the path of elementary particles takes us is unknown, but the idea that they aren't discrete as far as we know is nonsense. I have no problem with Buddha or Buddhism , but I do have a problem with people like this guy speaking so authoritatively on the Nature of reality from a completely baseless position. Don't examine the fundamental reality of Nature on the basis of this quackery, which is the only thing that will dissolve when put to the test.
LupineL00pine 2 years ago
see the truth,still can't let go of it...
jojoinhere 2 years ago
Buddha taught us that life is emptiness. Even great scientist Albert Einstein had proven that.
Everything Buddha taught is about truth It was tested again and again. It was proven to be true as there are many enlightened arahat who walked Buddha's path.
Buddhism is a religion without a god figure. How do we get protection? We get protection from devas. On the other hand, Buddha pointed out that the best protection is to keep the 5 precepts. The Power of truth is far greater than power of god!
impermanentoo 2 years ago 2
What nonsense - How can people worship fraudulent, mythical, fictional nonsense. Science makes religion irrelevant - ALL religions, Krishna, Hindi, Buddha, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and all the other brands of "belief in so-called god". But if you believe in silly angels, miracles, afterlife, judgment day with a fictional god - such bullshit - until one day yo may WAKE UP. Religion is FRAUD, it is evil - promotes death, war, genocide, murder, slavery - it is just EVIL..
goldstead 2 years ago
organized human perpetuated religion is as divine as my toilet seat..but, the science of quantum mechanics, makes a spiritual realm a possibility..we all possess 5 senses..those 5 sense only give us access to reality as we know it. the spiritual realm could simply be a science we cannot perceive. just as lower life forms cannot perceive the world on the same level as us.
as einstein said:
imagination is more important than knowledge.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
oh, here's the video u were referring to..i smoke too much pot huh?..pot only has detramental effects when your in that high state constantly..which i am not. u have no understanding of marijuanas effects as i'm assuming u never did it..once u come down, your mind is perfectly clarified again, and you're as sober as u were before u smoked.
physics have already proven that other spacial dimensions exist. we simply cannot perceive them,just as a figure in 2D space cannot perceive our dimension.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
IF there are other realms other than the one we can percieve, how can u rely on the science and rules we know and use in this realm to define the level of abusurdity of other possible realms?..when it comes to the universe, and the origin of everything, (something our known science can never grasp) knowledge is nothing, and imagination is everything..there could be so many possibilites other than what our finite 5 senses confront us with.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
Ask the scientist if ther's such thing calls god created Buddha. :)
impermanentoo 2 years ago
Buddha said that the universe is infinite. If we keep asking how and when the world was created, we'll go crazy.
Buddha is fully enlightened. He has eradicated greed, anger and delusion. Omnisient is the appropiate word to describe BUddha. Buddha is unsurpassed in terms of morality, knowledge and supernatural powers.
To be a Buddha means be possessed with 9 supreme qualities. For us, if we enlighten, we are merely arahat. Nothings compares to Sakymuni Buddha.
God is unenlightened being
impermanentoo 2 years ago
all beings can achieve the same enlightenment as The Glarious Buddha Shakyamuni
hearer87 2 years ago
buddha is finite, not infinite...he even declared the universe is...he just claimed he is enlightened.Buddha himself was created by a SUPREME being......
how the world/universe was created is found in the BIBLE at the book of GENESIS....it says there"in the beginning....."
daveebella09 2 years ago
many will say:
just because it's more comforting to our sanity to conclude that the universe is infinite, doesn't mean it's actually infinite. it isn't truly knowledgable to conclude that the universe is infinite simply out of comfort to the mind.
but, what i say, and i assume u would say, is that true knowledge is realizing we don't know everything..when it comes to the origin of the universe, concluding that we don't know, is more knowledgeable than seeking knowledge we cannot obtain.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
Lord Buddha knew all the knowledge in the world. That is how one can become a Buddha.
To be known as a Buddha, one has to attain 9 supreme qualities.
Buddha said that he would only teach us what would lead us to enlightenment. Not those knowledge that would not benefit in our quest of enlightenment. So there are 10 questions that Buddha would not answer and this is one of them.
You're right in saying that the knowledge we acquire is merely knowledge without realization. Realization is the goal
impermanentoo 2 years ago
I am guessing you follow the Mahayana or Tibetan branch? I believe Buddha was just the first psychologist. Ridiculously genius whose philosophy I follow. The basis of the philosophy deep down is just, don't be addicted to anything. Especially your own brain drugs.
anubis2814 2 years ago
You follow Buddhism and your conclusion is that deep down it's saying "don't be addicted to anything"?
Seems like you put a lot of time in it.
Absurdeling 2 years ago
I actually have. What is desire in the 4 noble truths but an addiction to ones own emotions. What is the middle way but a balance between indulgence and abstinence. One half of buddhist training to to help you unlearn bad habits and what you think you know which leads to your own addictions. Awareness and meditation are needed in the event of overcoming addictions especially when the addictions are hard to detect like that of negative emotions.
anubis2814 2 years ago
i believe those scientists,those geniuses...but GOD created them all. GOD is behind them....their beginnings and their endings,their accomplishments,etc-----only those people refuse to believe who they are and where they come from..they ought to know HIM and give thanks!
daveebella09 2 years ago
God created everything, but who created God?
What came B4 the beginning?
Every beginning is an end and every end is a beginning.
2 sides of 1 coin.
falbycourt 2 years ago
simple question....
daveebella09 2 years ago
anything thought of to be outside our realm of reality is merely an invention of the mind. it could be true, sure, but why believe anything at all outside of our own known reality?..we should just go with our 5 senses..go with what we know, and accept the things we don't know..it only makes sense..
itzahazylife 2 years ago
@itzahazylife Kinda like saying why go to the moon, we have eveything we need right here? Why did Columbus sail across the sea? Why make Miracle whip:) or Margirin:) LOL Because no matter how far you go there is another realm of reality, so we have to continue to probe:) Enjoy:)
chakrachaser 2 years ago
if there is no atom, and everything is infinitely divisible, then discovery is merely a circle..discovery takes us no where..if u walk along an infinite line, u may appear to be going foward, but u are gaining nothing..u are going nowhere..and anything u gain knowledge about along that infinite line, reveals more mystery..obsession with discovery always leaves us wanting to know more..everything we learn is merely a fragmane to something else..something infinite..so, why continue to probe?
itzahazylife 2 years ago
@itzahazylife Well I believe we are here to "be, do, have," to experience, MEST, matter, energy, space, time, we are part of this cosmic energy in this universe what ever form it originates from, and that's the quest, find our roots. Then like the very universe implodes and the big bang starts all over again,--the cycle of life, Mest starts all over again, --birth--life--death--start--change--stop, we are all travelers in time. Enjoy the MEST.
stcrzyaatyrs 2 years ago
"...everything we learn is merely a fragment*...."
itzahazylife 2 years ago
fragment of imaginazed abstraction, what importance can have such thing.. besides that it is just a dream and when you wake up it never had importance at all if it didnt have anything to do with the very waking up?
p0litician0nLSD 2 years ago
probing deep is a good thing..with knowledge we gain understanding. with understanding we gain reason..but, we cannot be obessed like a bloodhound is obsessed. in the very pursuit of the knowledge we need to eventually gain reason, we can lose all reason..the same as a bloodhound..nothing else matters except the hunt...my dad has a beagle who will sniff all over our property in the summer..he won't stop until we force him to..he will walk until he can't anymore.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
GOD is the beginning and the ending....HE said" I am the alpha and the omega".....I AM the great I AM.
daveebella09 2 years ago
there is either an infinite material world, or there is god (a creator, an ultimate force...whatever god may mean to someone)..believing in either is pointless..either belief is based off of nothing. the thing is, as humans, we cannot help but have a belief..the trick is reminding ourselves not to take those beliefs seriously, as they are based off of absolutely nothing...just pure faith..faith is merely self-comfort..a self-assurance..it isn't truth..there is only earthly truth..
itzahazylife 2 years ago
everything we see is created, so we think everything should be created. what if god always is and always was. then no need for a creator for god.
Slimarus 2 years ago
i have respect with THURMAN but the BIBLE plainly says"the wisdom of this world is foolishness with GOD"......
daveebella09 2 years ago
The Bible speaks foolishness. Didn't you go to school?!
Arnack221 2 years ago
what do you say is a more important question to ask yourself.
the fooish judge others, the wise check themselves
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EndOfTimesApocalypse 2 years ago
science is so behind in its understanding of reality. It will never catch up. science is a dying perspective in terms of discovering reality or truth. science can only help us build things and make general rules for how to help understand things conceptually. Reality can only be found by methods similar to Buddhism.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Robert author very well said and very true!!
gakultamang 2 years ago
Sigh... Here we go again! All these religions trying to prove how scientifically advaced they are and how they got all the facts before anyone else.
Let me ask this, if buddists/muslims/christians had such advanced knowledge of quantum physics classical physics chemistry and all the other disciplines then why did they not develop nuclear power, computers, advanced weaponary or air planes? all of which could have advanced their causes a thousand fold.
anothergazman 2 years ago
Yo anothergazman, Spiritualism, not materialism.
gohan4585 2 years ago
If thats your thing I say fair enough, but it irritates me that the spiritual types keep trying to hook in people with this appeal to the rational ie: claiming that their religion is true because of some ancient saying that is painfully contorted to fit a scientific theory. I may be wrong but your comment reads to me like you think there can be no fulfilment in the the material world and discovering naturalistic wonders, I'd like to assure you this is not true.
anothergazman 2 years ago
your point of view of buddhism is very misunderstood. Buddhism is something people come to understand without being told how. I came to understand "buddhism" completely independent from any teachings. It is a word to describe the concept of people discovering the truth of reality, not a religion. But then again, you cannot learn that from me. You'd have to really take the time to quiet your mind and the distractions of sensations to understand. Oh, and its definitely worth it.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
It's also in its organised form quite discriminitory. The dalai lama supports the caste system that condemns certain factions of buddhist socitey to servitude. Now I'm not saying that there arent lessons to be learned from buddhist culture i'm simply saying that this guy is cherry picking and distorting quotes from buddhist texts and trying to apply them to things they were almost certainly not intended. This is of late a common practice amongst theist and alternative cultures.
anothergazman 2 years ago
i apologize for my assumption. I guess I don't consider the organized form of Buddhism. I find it ridiculous that someone would organize an independent form of thought.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Thats ok, but I'm not sure what you mean by "I find it ridiculous that someone would organize an independent form of thought" First of all what do you define as independant thought and do you mean that an independent thought can only be generated by a higher power or spirt, ie: that you feel that the human physiology alone is insufficient to do this? If you reqire a spirit for independant thought what would you define it (the spirit) as?
anothergazman 2 years ago
I mean something else but I'll save that for a second. I believe that human physiology is a reflection of a "higher power", and I'd say that you and I are "part" of that "higher power". I put quotes around "part" because I do not believe that the "higher power" is actually divisible. Everything is "higher power" except its reflection, which is our perception of the real world.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Anyway, back to your question, I mean that I find it strange that people organize religions around something so pure and then make the organization the focus. In that way people lose the entire point. People "worship" ways of seeing truth without ever seeing it. They build complex systems of bullshit around the simple truth making its beauty hidden and appear shitty to the rest of the world. Its sad. Religions are a way of burying the truth in bullshit.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Isn't it always the same.
While I see the positive personal benefits of budhisim I still fail to see why the gentleman in the video is trying to tie up a spiritual system to a scientific one. He talks of infinate divisibility whilst not having ever been involvled in an experiment to study this. The work done in CERN is supported by decades of mathmatical study and he comes along and says they're mistaken without a single scrap of scientific evidence, i find that a little condescending myself.
anothergazman 2 years ago
I may be wrong but I feel as though scientist with CERN are expecting to find that everything is infinitely divisible (or completely indivisible).
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
they're looking for a number of things the most publicised being the higgs boson particle which would form the bridge between massive particles and massless particles. Essentially it would be the smallest thing that could be called matter.
anothergazman 2 years ago
Yeah, but matter, mass, and energy are all quickly becoming outdated words. They are only conceptually real. Mass only exist and is only measurable because of gravity, and we don't understand gravity. Matter is a state of energy, and energy is basically just everything. If the higgs boson particle in fact explains gravity i doubt that will be the end. Just like people thought the atom was the smallest particle, then the electron, then... It will go on and on.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
I'm certain it won't be the end. But it still doesn't make the statements in the video scientific, the musings of a person in a state of meditation do not constitute evidence nor should they be considered such. Budhisim also includes reincarnation and karmic justice as part of its tennets, is there any evidence of that? The use of a vaugary contained within the doctrine that can be somehow construed in a way that is possibly true really doesn't count for much without supporting evidence.
anothergazman 2 years ago
Anything can constitute as evidence if given enough consideration. I agree it's not proof though.
KayeMaz 2 years ago
It's certainly true that there are different levels of evidence (Circumstantial or empirical for instance). By evidence I am referring to something that has come from reliable unbiased sources that can be measured, tested and recorded. As for proof, well we'll never be 100% certain about anything but we can be certain enough to accept some stuff. Quantum physics has at its heart an acceptance of the fact that it will not know everything, but the theory is proven so far beyond reasonable doubt.
anothergazman 2 years ago
I'd say native americans were much more advanced than we are, and they have almost no technology comparitively. technology doesn't make someone advanced, an understanding of life does.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
I think that really depends on what you mean by advanced. The native americans were terrific at managing their land but then they had thousands of years of local experiance. I'd point out though that they were very quick also to utilise modern advances from the settlers (ie guns) to make their lives easier, plus the modern world has major advances in food production that would appear frankly miraculous to them.
anothergazman 2 years ago
I believe that many native american's would have found our methods of food production to completely devalue life and disgrace our planet. Also, it's difficult to sum up so many groups into one category . i guess it's kind of difficult to have a discussion about the feelings of many groups of people as one group.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Some of them probably (I'm thinking in the meat farming area) but we can grow crops in places that would have been impossible before and make them resistant to frost and pests that would have decimated their crops. "i guess it's kind of difficult to have a discussion about the feelings of many groups of people as one group. " You aren't wrong mate :)
anothergazman 2 years ago
but then again I think being advanced would be the ability and implementation of practices that allow one to live alongside the rest of nature with very limited disruption of its natural processes. My point of view is that the manipulation of genetic material by splicing genes is a very bad idea. We do not know what the impact will be on the global ecosystem. It is very probable that we are dooming future generations.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Nature balances itself quite well, but such drastic changes to the system will more than likely be catastrophic to its natural regulation. Science doesn't take into account intuition. Using science, which probably has unlimited potential, combined with lack of foresight is very foolish. Albert Einstein has commented on his lack of foresight when discovering nuclear power.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
I'm sure he could have discovered much more if he hadn't made that realization, and I'm also sure his discoveries would have been motivated by good intentions, but such power is not intended for those without a spiritual understanding of reality. Not that I'm suggesting Albert Einstein was without spiritual understanding. I mean that his discoveries will be used by those who don't understand. It was Einstein's spiritual understanding that detered him from potentially harmful future discoveries.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
If you look at it like that then any invention is a bad thing. For example dynamite was invented not as a weapon but as a safer alternative to black powder (for use in mining, dynamite reduced accidental explosions dramatically and saved many lives). Your computer technology that provides you the ability to communicate across the world is also used in bombs, nuclear power has the potential to get us out of a major enviromental crissis or least mitigate it by reducing our carbon output.
anothergazman 2 years ago
yes, i see the problem i am almost crossing. I was thinking earlier about the chinese and their use of fireworks and how that eventually led to explosive projectiles. I agree that I'm walking a very thin line when i look at things that way. I guess i probably presented my perspective sort of incorrectly. Einstein wasn't doing something bad when he and others were discovering nuclear power. Personally I don't believe in such things as clear good and bad, but it is like pandora's box regardless.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
The same is true with direct genetic manipulation. Its intentions are of course to make a good technology but the effects of its use will be enormously destructive to global ecosystems. These "super" plants will eventually destroy "non-super" plants, or at least take their place. Such a drastic change to our planet should not be done so lightly. These plants are already passing their genetic code throughout the world by their pollen.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
The issue of if a spiritual person is better suited to decide on how and what technology comes into being is highly questionable, Muslims and christians believe themselves very spiritual but I don't personally believe that qualifies them to do jack. George Bush Jr also is a (self proclaimed, he even claims a 1on1 relationship with god) highly spirtual person and yet he's made extraordinarily dubious decisions that he's justified by his faith.
anothergazman 2 years ago
I feel stupid saying this (as if my perspective is better than everyone elses), but I don't think religious people are ever very spiritual. I think religiosity and spirituality are possibly direct opposites. George Bush is a moron.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
I wouldn't describe you as stupid at all, I am actually rather enjoying this conversation. The problem I see with spirituality is that is a deeply personal thing, one mans yin is another mans yang if you will. For instance the experience of communing with god is for religious people the height of spirituality, this would lead ME to think that spirtuality is subjective while a christian would say that I am just wrong (and possibly a hellbound heretic lol).
anothergazman 2 years ago 2
yeah, it's an interesting discussion. I watched "The Golden Compass" last night and I was BLOWN AWAY. I have never seen anything like it in mainstream society or anything with its attitude that is so beautiful. If you haven't seen it I recommend it, and if you have seen it, what are your thoughts. It's point of view on authority and religion are right on, and its open mindedness mixed with intense creativity is breathtaking.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
I had heard it is good, yeah i think i might rent it out this week thanks for the recommendation. I heard it caused a bit of a stir over the states too.
anothergazman 2 years ago
i didn't even know about the the "stir" until after I saw it. I told my mom about it and she said, "she hadn't planned on watching it because the catholic church told everyone to boycott it." my mom is catholic. Where are you from?
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
England the east midlands to be a bit more precise. Am I typing with an accent? lol
anothergazman 2 years ago
ha. you spelled a few words slightly different than American English so I assumed there was a English English influence in your spelling. I believe that some of my ancestors were from Lincolnshire. They had the last name Dixon. I'm from Ames, Iowa, US. What are the main views on America over there? What are your views?
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Tell you what lets continue in the pm's is that ok?
anothergazman 2 years ago
what does that mean? (in the pm's)? night? If so...I don't really know what you mean concidering the pm's would be different for you and i. hmmm
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
sorry, i guess it wasn't too clear. I meant private messages.
anothergazman 2 years ago
"the manipulation of genetic material by splicing genes is a very bad idea." Its been done for centuries in the form of cross breeding (cows sheep crops dogs cats and the list goes on), the only difference now is its done in a lab in order to achieve the results intended more efficently.
anothergazman 2 years ago
Yes, the two methods are have similar results, but they are two very different methods. The power of direct manipulation of genes has unlimited potential. I'd say even more potential than nuclear power. I don't feel that such power should be used before we, as a planet, openly discuss the dangers associated with it. A lethal bacteria could EASILY be synthesized purposefully or even as a side effect of another GMO. We are playing with something much more powerful than we understand.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Also, I'm sure that as settlers moved onto their land and started changing everything and killing natives, the natives were trying anything to preserve their beautiful cultures. Without guns they stood no chance against the settlers. It's similar to nuclear weapons.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
I'm an American and I think it's ridiculous that America has nuclear weapons but ridicules other countries for trying to make them. of course anyone would want an equal force to defend themselves with. Being the first to make a weapon shows a lack of understanding, using the same weapon to defend does not show great understanding, but at least it shows a greater understanding than those who created the weapon.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
I'm sure they were (I would like to point out at this point I am in no way advocating what happened to them) but my point is that guns were also used for hunting because it was more efficient than their own meathods. Their culture was fascinating and yes beautiful in a way but advanced? Thats very debatable. As for nukes. There are many reasons for America to want to stop the middle east attaining them, not least because of the unstable nature of their governments.
anothergazman 2 years ago
I'd have to watch the video again. I guess I wasn't thinking that he was tying a spiritual system to a scientific system as much as he was saying that scientific systems are limited to what we can directly observe and record but spiritual systems are not limited so spiritual systems, consequently, have the potential to be ahead of scientific systems.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
This is similar to philosophy and psychology. Philosophy is always ahead of psychology. Philosophy/Spirituality discover truth and Psychology/Science/Religion find ways to implement "truths" to the world.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
it's dangerous how he thinks he can predict scientific results from buddhist quotes.
many buddhist sayings (esp. in zen buddism) meant to be ambiguous. which means you can always find an interpretation of the text that suits the situation.
this makes it a decent mind frame for the acceptance and understanding of empirical results, but you can't replace empirical work with it.
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gandar54 2 years ago
Lets see.
Everything is alive. Even nothing is alive.
Life arises out of nothing.
Nothing is infinite.
Everything is infinite.
You will have forever to find happiness.
"Remove the dust from your eyes and you will see forever" Blake
sealharvey 2 years ago
If only Buddhist believed in what the Buddha really said. No gods, no afterlife, no true answer, only what was here and how to deal with it.
Keeban3 2 years ago 4
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donttasemebro92 2 years ago
you don't sound like a buddhist, man
davetoporek 2 years ago
"Decay is inherent in all component things! Work out your salvation with diligence." (Last words of the Buddha) The second law of thermodynamics states that in any isolated system, the degree of disorder can only increase. Our universe is an isolated system, so the degree of disorder is always increasing. How is this possible? Human mortality is related to the amount of entropy in our body. How could the Budda have had such deep insight into the nature of the universe, so long ago ???
CosmicFork 2 years ago
have you passed your high school chemistry or you got your definition from some creationist?
lianghaochen 2 years ago
Bzzt. That is indeed the second law of thermodynamics. All systems trend toward disorder.
m0nkeybl1tz 2 years ago
ya? i'm an engineering student. you wanna buy my used chemistry text book so you can read it?
lianghaochen 2 years ago
"The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the universal law of increasing entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium."
m0nkeybl1tz 2 years ago
now you wanna back the comment you supported with some math?
lianghaochen 2 years ago
Jeez, he's not against science. Just listen. He says Buddha reached enlightenment by understanding the world around him (read: science). He's just talking about our culture's obsession with control and domination. While science is great, it's important for us to realize we're not the center of the universe.
m0nkeybl1tz 2 years ago 2
This is my problem with atheists, they believe they know everything!
gwilli24 2 years ago
Sorry sparky, but you've got it wrong.....again. Atheists do NOT think they know everything. Some of them think that through science much can be known, some believe that much will be known and some believe that eventually through science all can be known. But they lack the ignorance and arrogance to claim they know the bottom most truths of the universe. You, on the other hand, do. And you think that anyone that disagrees or doesn't participate in your communal delusion is damned for *cont*
Plutonwolf 2 years ago
all of eternity. This is the absolute height of arrogance. As the bible said, don't worry about the speck of saw dust in your neighbors eye, look first to deal with the red wood in your own eye.
Plutonwolf 2 years ago
"shame on you fuck wad!"
"This man is an idiot."
"The most moronic endeviour ever"
"Complete idiot. Total bullshit."
Sounds pretty arrogant to me.
m0nkeybl1tz 2 years ago
Sorry sparky but you have me wrong, all I am saying is people who bash all religions as hogwash and take nothing from its teaching miss the point of it. I don't believe in God either but I cannot prove he does not exist either.
gwilli24 2 years ago 3
I don't say this too often, but I apologize. Your comment closely tracked the usual script of fundamentalists when they attack Atheism and science. I too believe in the existence of Gods, but it is a different view than the main stream shares. In the massive potentiality of the multiverse the existence of Gods or God like beings is not only probable, it is damn near unavoidable. But I 'think' that we really wouldn't want to have any dealings with them. Think Cthulhlu.
Plutonwolf 2 years ago
Wow, an apology on YouTube...that's gotta be a first. And I guess that's the cause--YouTube, not atheism. I guess it's also the whole revenge mentality: atheists are pissed about thousands of years of religious persecution (which they weren't alive for) and are now getting their kicks out of persecuting religion.
So, yeah, I agree that most atheists are respectful, intelligent, etc (though, again, not so much on YouTube). As for God(s), I also agree that it's a concept that we can't really know.
m0nkeybl1tz 2 years ago
I don't know why it is so uncommon? It didn't cost my a thing and I was wrong. I do not back down no matter how hard some one tries to bully me when I am certain I am right. I think that basic courtesy is the greatest loss when one looks at what the pros and cons of internet interactions are.
BTW, I to am not an Atheist. But I do share some commonalities with them such as their distrust and distaste of most mainstream Religions. Faith and spirituality are not team sports.
Plutonwolf 2 years ago
I love that last sentence. I completely agree. You should sell it as a bumper sticker. Ha.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
Hey man no worries, I just wish there were more people like you on youtube. And to be fair I could have been more in depth in my first comment.
gwilli24 2 years ago
@m0nkeybl1tz Lol! "While science is great, it's important for us to realize we're not the center of the universe". How do you think we know that?
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago 2
Complete idiot. Total bullshit. Why does anyone listen to this?
fatmanprime 2 years ago
ya, it's total bs, this guy should go roll a joint and jump in mud naked.........
lianghaochen 2 years ago
it would be hard to determine whether or not your analysis is correct w/o attempting to gain an understanding. i would call that a closed mind, an argument from incredulity. your atheism is overlapping and attacking philosophical codes which do not require 'blind faith' - not sure if you are aware of this.
so if you don't rely on logic, and you reject faith, do you just choose what is valid by whim?
auamoti 2 years ago
What are you talking about?
I'm saying this guy is talking total bullshit. He has no idea what he is talking about, and he's pretending to know things he doesn't.
Fundamental particles are indivisible; quarks, leptons, and gauge bosons.
And as to my atheism - what are you talking about? I am an atheist because I have no reason to believe otherwise.
fatmanprime 2 years ago
there is no scientific proof that there are any indivisible particles.
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
What the Buddha said seems to make a lot of sense, and as a way of life its pretty cool... What I don't get is why all these so call rinpoches and monks ask for so much money in order to give you teachings, when the Buddha never did so... also neither him nor any Mahasiddha had luxurious cars, centres all over the world or proclaim being the leader of anything. As a former translator I never read such things in any Tibetan texts. Buddhism has become a religion (in a pejorative sense)
sustainedtrouble 2 years ago
Anyone asking for money to teach you what the Buddha taught is a fraud.
lxvlx 2 years ago
For sure!
tonyjohnbradley 2 years ago
This is great. Check out Nassim Haramein's new discoveries in physics. He explains this in a more scientific way. Infinite and finite systems are complementary.
Loveseekingmissile 2 years ago
"The most moronic endeviour ever, is to seek to marry religion with science." - Me
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago 2
This man is an idiot. He can speak elegantly, but that doesn't change the fact.
Szkeptik 2 years ago
what the fuck? it's disgusting that religious people try to latch onto modern science and pretend to posse more knowledge than humanity have gathered over centuries of discovery.
this is a mockery of modern science!
shame on you fuck wad!
lianghaochen 2 years ago