Oh we're on the subject of Wright AGAIN!!!! why are we having this discussion in regards to this clip??? cos Clinton supporters have nothing else to say! have you done any research into Hillary's former pastor??? he's been given 3 years for molesting a 7 year old girl yet Obama and his former pastor is the ones getting bad press this just makes me sick.
Or maybe it's the nostalgia factor, as most with high school education work in blue collar jobs and see the Clinton times as an era with which they had a job and a full stomach and many buy into the naviety that to vote for Hillary would bring those "good times" back.
This poll shows that as education for some increases their common sense is lost. Maybe its the liberal professors that warp the minds of students. It's obvious Obama's questionable voting record in the Senate was not investigated. They have instead made a decision based on his speeches. Obama's biased view of America, his associations and belief in Black Liberation Theology, and his voting record shows he should not be President. The students needed to do their homework.
Clinton and Obama have extremely simmilar voting records, they are mainstream Democrats. There is no evidence to say Obama believes in black liberation theology either, he has never endorsed it. Haveing a friend who agrees with something does not mean you do too.
If you sit and listen to Wright for 23 years I would say you believe in what he says. If someone attends KKK meetings for 23 years I would say they believe what is being said too. Obama's actions tell the story. Sorry if you can't see it.
I understand you point but Wright would not have only preached the same thing every service. He could have been preaching mainstream Christianity 99% of the time. I would have been uncomfortable in that church and from what I see, I am not sure I would stay there but you need to understand the context and full story. I reccomend we both look into this some more, like his book.
Obama's book says he hates his white blood. He also says he doesn't like white people. As far as Wright's preaching, if you watched the news they showed a dozen clips of Wright's racist speeches. He also says he hates whites and jews in his Trumphet News Magazine of which his daughter is the editor. If thats not concrete enough for you then I'm sorry.
First you say it is about not knowing the voting record, but then cite his bias and association with BLT...as humder mentioned, record are similar...so you next post shows your REAL reason...you see him as a black advocacy extremist. BUT going beyond sound clips: saying "Goddam America" in context isn't biased or anti-American. "Damning" was a way to point out unrighteousness so one can change their ways. This isn't like wishing someone to hell, which out of context it appears to be...
And again, what's wrong with BLT, anyway? Do you think owning slaves is Christian? What about violently segregating and oppressing? As a white Christian, I don't find most of BLT a problem (and I don't think I need to agree with all of it for it to be a valid perspective...I'm not God, so recognize my limits on these issues). Jesus did come for the oppressed, not the oppressors. And I don't think pointing out corruption and immoral events in US past and present is unpatriotic...silence is
So exactly what is it about Obama's relation with Wright that is so bad? Obama doesn't need to hate whites to recognize and want to be a part of Wright's church and Wright doesn't need to hate whites as a result of these few statements taken out of context. Humans are complex...we maintain relationships for lots of contradictory reasons and in spite of others we also hold dearly. I wonder what we'd be able to find out about you and take out of context? Does that make you bad or incompetent?
Yeah, right. Calling Whites the devil is normal church teaching? Saying Whites lynched a black Jesus is church teaching? Italians have garlic noses. Wright has preached hate for over 30 years. Thats what he is about. He agrees with Louis Farrakhan and said he was the greatest. Farrakhan hates Whites and Jews. None of this is out of context.
um...yes it is. So, Obama is responsible for all of what Wright says/thinks and Wright is responsible for all that Farrakhan says/thinks. We endorse people all the time without endorsing everything about those people. Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. And AS OBAMA SAID, Wright (and Farrakhan, for that matter) came from different experience which explain (but may not excuse) they way of thinking. Note the difference between his forgiving tolerance, and your guilt by association.
have you actualy seen the entire sermon of pastor Wright. I have and it didn't look anything at all like hate speech. He actualy called out some small history sbnipets to remind the christians listening that Jesus doesn't advocate violence. He used the snippets to remind the listeners that violence, hate and all other nasty stuff was to be left behind. The black community is a black community because some members have felt the oppression yet Wright did no support segregation anytime.
This just goes to show that if your a stupid white hick from the south you'll vote for the Borg Queen, but if your an educated person then you'll vote for Obama. Hillary supporters are idiot's and its funny watching them get so angry the more she falls behind in the polls.
Bye bye Hillary. Taking out the trash may be womens work but Obamas more than happy to do it when your stupid racist but is in the bag.
what a joke!!!! The reason college graduates like Obama is because the profressors are soooo liberal... And, Huissen is THE most liberal senator... 1+1=2, Huissen+liberal supporters=college graduates... I graduated college and I would never vote for either... Why? Because I think for myself... Don't tell me people without a college education don't pay attention to the news... That's asinine...
I agree, that is asinine. But so is thinking most college students don't think for themselves. You may not've agreed with your college professors, but that doesn't mean those who did were unthinking followers. When we cast our opposition as being stupid, no progress is made. They might just turn and say you were too "brainwashed" by your upbringing, while they were "open-minded" at college. Let's all grow up and accept that some don't have good reasons and others do on any side of an issue.
One small benefit to the fact there are fewer college educated people in the US than not.
morganmghee 3 years ago
Oh we're on the subject of Wright AGAIN!!!! why are we having this discussion in regards to this clip??? cos Clinton supporters have nothing else to say! have you done any research into Hillary's former pastor??? he's been given 3 years for molesting a 7 year old girl yet Obama and his former pastor is the ones getting bad press this just makes me sick.
Duchyp 3 years ago
Or maybe it's the nostalgia factor, as most with high school education work in blue collar jobs and see the Clinton times as an era with which they had a job and a full stomach and many buy into the naviety that to vote for Hillary would bring those "good times" back.
abarzilai664 3 years ago
This is a reflection of class more than education.
humder 3 years ago
This poll shows that as education for some increases their common sense is lost. Maybe its the liberal professors that warp the minds of students. It's obvious Obama's questionable voting record in the Senate was not investigated. They have instead made a decision based on his speeches. Obama's biased view of America, his associations and belief in Black Liberation Theology, and his voting record shows he should not be President. The students needed to do their homework.
in22525 3 years ago
Clinton and Obama have extremely simmilar voting records, they are mainstream Democrats. There is no evidence to say Obama believes in black liberation theology either, he has never endorsed it. Haveing a friend who agrees with something does not mean you do too.
humder 3 years ago
If you sit and listen to Wright for 23 years I would say you believe in what he says. If someone attends KKK meetings for 23 years I would say they believe what is being said too. Obama's actions tell the story. Sorry if you can't see it.
in22525 3 years ago
I understand you point but Wright would not have only preached the same thing every service. He could have been preaching mainstream Christianity 99% of the time. I would have been uncomfortable in that church and from what I see, I am not sure I would stay there but you need to understand the context and full story. I reccomend we both look into this some more, like his book.
humder 3 years ago
Obama's book says he hates his white blood. He also says he doesn't like white people. As far as Wright's preaching, if you watched the news they showed a dozen clips of Wright's racist speeches. He also says he hates whites and jews in his Trumphet News Magazine of which his daughter is the editor. If thats not concrete enough for you then I'm sorry.
in22525 3 years ago
First you say it is about not knowing the voting record, but then cite his bias and association with BLT...as humder mentioned, record are similar...so you next post shows your REAL reason...you see him as a black advocacy extremist. BUT going beyond sound clips: saying "Goddam America" in context isn't biased or anti-American. "Damning" was a way to point out unrighteousness so one can change their ways. This isn't like wishing someone to hell, which out of context it appears to be...
mattpier 3 years ago
And again, what's wrong with BLT, anyway? Do you think owning slaves is Christian? What about violently segregating and oppressing? As a white Christian, I don't find most of BLT a problem (and I don't think I need to agree with all of it for it to be a valid perspective...I'm not God, so recognize my limits on these issues). Jesus did come for the oppressed, not the oppressors. And I don't think pointing out corruption and immoral events in US past and present is unpatriotic...silence is
mattpier 3 years ago
So exactly what is it about Obama's relation with Wright that is so bad? Obama doesn't need to hate whites to recognize and want to be a part of Wright's church and Wright doesn't need to hate whites as a result of these few statements taken out of context. Humans are complex...we maintain relationships for lots of contradictory reasons and in spite of others we also hold dearly. I wonder what we'd be able to find out about you and take out of context? Does that make you bad or incompetent?
mattpier 3 years ago
Yeah, right. Calling Whites the devil is normal church teaching? Saying Whites lynched a black Jesus is church teaching? Italians have garlic noses. Wright has preached hate for over 30 years. Thats what he is about. He agrees with Louis Farrakhan and said he was the greatest. Farrakhan hates Whites and Jews. None of this is out of context.
in22525 3 years ago
um...yes it is. So, Obama is responsible for all of what Wright says/thinks and Wright is responsible for all that Farrakhan says/thinks. We endorse people all the time without endorsing everything about those people. Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. And AS OBAMA SAID, Wright (and Farrakhan, for that matter) came from different experience which explain (but may not excuse) they way of thinking. Note the difference between his forgiving tolerance, and your guilt by association.
mattpier 3 years ago
have you actualy seen the entire sermon of pastor Wright. I have and it didn't look anything at all like hate speech. He actualy called out some small history sbnipets to remind the christians listening that Jesus doesn't advocate violence. He used the snippets to remind the listeners that violence, hate and all other nasty stuff was to be left behind. The black community is a black community because some members have felt the oppression yet Wright did no support segregation anytime.
hanzo2001 3 years ago
This just goes to show that if your a stupid white hick from the south you'll vote for the Borg Queen, but if your an educated person then you'll vote for Obama. Hillary supporters are idiot's and its funny watching them get so angry the more she falls behind in the polls.
Bye bye Hillary. Taking out the trash may be womens work but Obamas more than happy to do it when your stupid racist but is in the bag.
ScubaSteve1974 3 years ago
what a joke!!!! The reason college graduates like Obama is because the profressors are soooo liberal... And, Huissen is THE most liberal senator... 1+1=2, Huissen+liberal supporters=college graduates... I graduated college and I would never vote for either... Why? Because I think for myself... Don't tell me people without a college education don't pay attention to the news... That's asinine...
jacobhall25 3 years ago
I agree, that is asinine. But so is thinking most college students don't think for themselves. You may not've agreed with your college professors, but that doesn't mean those who did were unthinking followers. When we cast our opposition as being stupid, no progress is made. They might just turn and say you were too "brainwashed" by your upbringing, while they were "open-minded" at college. Let's all grow up and accept that some don't have good reasons and others do on any side of an issue.
mattpier 3 years ago