Bro. Eli Soriano vs. Mr. Mitch Vickers - Part 1

[voulgier]

Mr. Vickers is my history teacher :)

[jaliam]

Pertgen, the law written in the hearts of men, specifically the Christians, are the teachings of the Apostles and not the ten commandments, which were written in tablets of stone.

KING JAMES VERSION

II CORINTHIANS 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Watch the whole debate and see who conceded, even at least once.

[reyremi]

yes how can jesus broke the sabbath when the sabbath dont allow you to work but jesus and his apostles go around on a sabbath and do something against it, (explain it then pertgen) isn't it to show that he is the lord of the sabbath, and since he is above it isn't it time to follow his laws instead

[j2rbkk]

Can you please re-post this debate where both parties can be heard clearly?

Or probably add captions to the words Mr. Vickers had said so that the viewers can benefit more.

Looking at the background, etc. it appears that this debate was made possible using your resources. So i guess you have the original audio, video, etc.

Otherwise this posting will be too one-sided..desperately done to appear Mr Vickers lost this debate.

I hope it's not like that. Thanks and I'll wait for that. :)

[xxcandiedapples]

mr. vickers is my history teacher

[lbetweenthebars]

he was mine too.

what is this?

[deepbluekurenai]

must watch!!! 5 stars,two thumbs up!!!

this american guy is about to get pissed.

[pertgen]

One big inconsistency of Mr. Soriano I noticed that if Catholics asked him especially about Graven Images and saints, he is SMARTLY READING DEUTR. 5 and READ the 10 commandments... but if a Seventh day Adventist will ask about the 10 commandments, he will smartly answer IT WAS AMMENDED OR ABOLISHED... Thats how inconsistent he is.

How I know? Because I was there... before.

[pertgen]

If Mr. Soriano is insisting that Jesus is not subject of the law (1 Tim.1:9) then why he insisted that Jesus broke the Sabbath even if Bro. Vickers answered that it was the accusations of the religious leaders and the Jews.

Mr. Soriano challenged Bro. Vickers where to read that Jesus Christ "deliberately put Himself under the law." Bro. Vickers gave Hebrews 9:22... may I add Galatians 4:4.

[smzslider]

Hebrews 10:9 read it....and galatians 4:4 Yes he was made under the law, to save those that were subjected to this law, and he brought forth His own Law in the new testament...

[pertgen]

On the Sabbath issue, during the 2nd cross examination, Bro. Vickers asked him if "What law/s did Jesus break?" Mr. Soriano answered that our Lord Jesus Christ did not break any law HOWEVER during the cross examination, he insisted that Jesus boke the Sabbath as written in John 5:18. How could Jesus broke the Sabbath since He is the LORD of the Sabbath?

[pertgen]

When Bro. Vickers asked him if "WHAT LAWS in the 10 Commandments were NOT WRITTEN in the hearts of men, he did not answered specifically. Bro. Vickers repeated the question for the second time but he got no logical answer from Mr. Soriano.

[pertgen]

I agree on the way Bro. Mitch Vickers deliver his statements...

Mr. Soriano however was inconsistent on his statements... He said that " the law was not written in the hearts of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel." But during the 3rd cross examination, he admitted that the law was written IN THE HEARTS OF HUMANS BUT NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS.