stop saying "stop comparing paramore and VE" more ppl are saying to stop comparing them then ppl actually comparing them just leave it alone and talk about how awesome they are!!! :)
Each band has their own style. Paramore's style is so different from VersaEmerge. When you hear Paramore, its got that distinct rock low rhythm guitar and a cool higher pitched lead. You'll notice that especially in their album Riot!. Plus i'm a big Paramore fan and i think VersaEmerge is amazing too. :D No need to compare them.
They were at Bamboozle and they were awesome, and THEY SOUND NOTHING LIKE PARAMORE. They remind me more of Flyleaf just a bit better (I like Flyleaf but I like VersaEmerge a lot better) Can't wait for there cd to come out. =]
@tigerlilly1894 Yea, like the way the lead singer dresses is kinda like Hailey's (I may have spelled her name wrong) but other than that theres nothing of Paramore in there. Like Versa is a bit "hardcore" I guess is the word while Paramore is kinda pop-y thou I love Paramore but they are a bit too main stream for me.
i don't really see how versaemerge and paramore are similar. they both have familiar singers, but paramore is way softer. sierra and hayley don't really even have similar voices, other than that they're both high pitched.
can everyone stop comparing VersaEmerge and Paramore? im a huge paramore fan, and ive just started to listen to VersaEmerge, and Hayley and Sierra sound nothing alike, theyre both frontwomen in amazing bands.
stop saying "stop comparing paramore and VE" more ppl are saying to stop comparing them then ppl actually comparing them just leave it alone and talk about how awesome they are!!! :)
Im surprised that ppl havent compared them to Hey Monday. They are much more like that band than Paramore! All 3 bands are VERY different when it comes to lyrics, music, style etc. I love this song!
versaemerge and paramore are NOT the same. they both have one thing in common though. they both make great music. i love them both and if you have that much of a problem click right off this video and stop comparing ;)
You all need to STOP comparing Paramore and VersaEmerge. It's so fucking annoying. They don't sound alike. The only thing they have in common is they both are amazing bands. Just stop comparing and listen to the music. Comment about how you like it. Not about who they may sound like. It's dumb. Thank you. This song is fucking great.
@kaylalovesparamore sorry girl but paramore and VersaEmerge do sound alike. it's the whole pop-punk/post hardcore trend. The thing that makes them sound alike though would be the chick singer. comparing these two bands is like comparing silverstein to broadway. They have many many similarities but are still different.
@amaze316 yes they may have a few similarities, but that doesn't mean people need to say oh these guys are just like paramore. yes they have a girl singer, yes their music is awesome. but people like who say " she sounds like hayley!" Really? They sound nothing alike. Thats just what I mean.
wtF is everyone saying sierra sounds nothing like hayley williams and their music is general just has a totally different sound! comparing them is just completelyyy uselessss.
Deaf is when you are unable to hear. Your statement is illogical, because according to you, I'm the one hearing things, which means I can't be deaf, but according to me, you aren't hearing it, which could make you deaf (:
You think you'd learn something like that in school.
um, yeah. i'm not threatening anyone, and whatever. you people apparently think that every girl who is a lead vocalist sounds like hayley williams, it's the only thing that pissed me off. stop comparamoring them.
i personally think sierra sounds like hayley. VE & paramore sound very similar. its not just the female vocalist, it's that her voice has a lot or power just like hayley's does. and the music sounds similar. there's no need to be rude about people's opinions.
Job for a cowboy don't have a female singer. whaat the fuck? And eyes set to kill are a different genre, so are flyleaf. Versaemerge are the same genre as paramore, and the singer kinda sounds the same as Hayley williams. I'm not saying they're ripping them off, I'm just saying what's wrong with you're statement.
people need to stop comparing ever female singer band to paramore. theres alot of bands out there, and that doesn't mea they ripped off paramore. i live both bands. <3
love them but i hate it wen they compare bands that hav a single female who sings to paramore jsut cus they hav a female singer dont mean they copied paramore
i went to one of the boys like girls concert and they were an opening act. ever since last saturday i have beeeen obesesssssssed! And jerry is such a cutie, got to hang with him after they performed. but shit i love this song!
ugh i hat ewhen people compare bands like paramore, VE,Hey monday, ... maybe hey monday copy a little aramore, but they're not the same. the three are similar just in that the'res only 1 girl in the band and she is the vocalist. but their sound os no the same! please dont compare!
yeah i know but i dont think they are alike this is the way i see it paramore are so energetic and stuff, hey monday are somewhat pop-ish and VE have kind of a dark sound and stuff they only compare them because of the girl singing, its like harry potter and twilight they have nothing to do with each other and people compare them just because they are books made movies that is just so...stupid :)
I love this song! :) My friend sent me this song and at first i thought This song is gheyyy but then i kept listening to it and i was like... ITS AWESOME... ;) I♥Music, Music♥Me, and MusicAlso♥YOU! ;) and You♥MusicToo! :D
great! glad u liked it lol i know i was searching 4 this in all youtube but there wasnt one so i made this! and u are lucky!! m from mexico so it may take time for me to meet them haha
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SandSeaOcean 1 year ago
this is their best song
SandSeaOcean 1 year ago
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stop saying "stop comparing paramore and VE" more ppl are saying to stop comparing them then ppl actually comparing them just leave it alone and talk about how awesome they are!!! :)
purplexvampire 1 year ago
Can you put the lyrics in the description, perhaps?
LitFromTheWest 1 year ago
Each band has their own style. Paramore's style is so different from VersaEmerge. When you hear Paramore, its got that distinct rock low rhythm guitar and a cool higher pitched lead. You'll notice that especially in their album Riot!. Plus i'm a big Paramore fan and i think VersaEmerge is amazing too. :D No need to compare them.
Manx2manir 1 year ago 3
They were at Bamboozle and they were awesome, and THEY SOUND NOTHING LIKE PARAMORE. They remind me more of Flyleaf just a bit better (I like Flyleaf but I like VersaEmerge a lot better) Can't wait for there cd to come out. =]
YoneVonPage 1 year ago
@YoneVonPage yes! more like flyleaf! exactly i mean they are a bit paramore ish but when i hear them i think flyleaf right away.
tigerlilly1894 1 year ago
@tigerlilly1894 Yea, like the way the lead singer dresses is kinda like Hailey's (I may have spelled her name wrong) but other than that theres nothing of Paramore in there. Like Versa is a bit "hardcore" I guess is the word while Paramore is kinda pop-y thou I love Paramore but they are a bit too main stream for me.
YoneVonPage 1 year ago
i don't really see how versaemerge and paramore are similar. they both have familiar singers, but paramore is way softer. sierra and hayley don't really even have similar voices, other than that they're both high pitched.
hayley's also a more trained, skilled singer.
although sierra is amazing, too :)
xGerardxLindsayxWayx 1 year ago
can everyone stop comparing VersaEmerge and Paramore? im a huge paramore fan, and ive just started to listen to VersaEmerge, and Hayley and Sierra sound nothing alike, theyre both frontwomen in amazing bands.
ItssAlisonProudlock 1 year ago
actually to me in the song "past praying for" she sounds alot like hayley but seriously paramore hey monday and versaemerge sound NOTHING alike.
theemakeupmonsterr 1 year ago
they're nothing like paramore..
but, paramore is definately better! paramore can beat them any day! lol
AvrilRawkz12 1 year ago
@AvrilRawkz12
Hayley live is like listening to a cat die.
Afireinside912 1 year ago
@Afireinside912 well i obviously disagree :P
but your opinion is your opinion, so whatever
these guys are pretty cool, but i still like Paramore most
AvrilRawkz12 1 year ago
Wow theyre so much like paramore!
jakacspear 1 year ago
stop saying "stop comparing paramore and VE" more ppl are saying to stop comparing them then ppl actually comparing them just leave it alone and talk about how awesome they are!!! :)
purplexvampire 1 year ago
thats a cool picture
mattchuck91 1 year ago
Im surprised that ppl havent compared them to Hey Monday. They are much more like that band than Paramore! All 3 bands are VERY different when it comes to lyrics, music, style etc. I love this song!
ItalianSunset14 1 year ago 3
They're gonna be huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge.
seoHEARTseo 1 year ago
they do not sound like paramore if anything and its thier not even that much alike is flyleaf
em04l1fe 1 year ago
just because there's one girl in a band who sings doesn't mean it's like paramore.
SiennaDenali 1 year ago
this is a very good song
SandSeaOcean 1 year ago
versaemerge and paramore are NOT the same. they both have one thing in common though. they both make great music. i love them both and if you have that much of a problem click right off this video and stop comparing ;)
MissDaiisy123 1 year ago 3
@MissDaiisy123 so true. Their music styles are quite different. This has more musical depth, with violin and other sound effects.
I can see why they compare cos they have similar sounding singing voices but with quite different depth.
Meize10 1 year ago
They're different from paramore.....much more different...
xxStryDerBuRnxx 1 year ago
not all alternative rock bands with female fronts are the same. jsyk
xphebes 1 year ago
This is my fave song of them! :) And past praying for! Ü
They're just so awesome! :D
polalalab 1 year ago
Psh, Im not a softy but I have to admit this band is pretty awesome. I'll give it a thumbs up. :D
Darkness3765 1 year ago
sick ass song. i love versaemerge<3
hulaxhoops 1 year ago
They are wicked good. also listen to past praying for if you like this song.
fratrainmwf 1 year ago 4
WOW. Are they new? I just stumble upon this. They're actually good! :)
orignamura 1 year ago
i luv versaemerge
paow10 1 year ago 4
awesome!
MeBeHannah100 1 year ago
the guy on the right looks like a badass video game character
Musician0at0Work 1 year ago 23
@Musician0at0Work yea he looks like in he belongs in final fantasy
m3t1t1 1 year ago 5
that was the type of game I was thinking of
Musician0at0Work 1 year ago 2
@Musician0at0Work
LOL, he does.
josefiSnch 1 year ago 2
@Musician0at0Work To be honest give Sierra a utility belt, feathers and some great outfit, she could probably be a character too. :)
goldfishinaglass 1 year ago 2
@Musician0at0Work
He does doesn't he? haha it's pretty badass!
FatevsDestiny777 1 year ago
You all need to STOP comparing Paramore and VersaEmerge. It's so fucking annoying. They don't sound alike. The only thing they have in common is they both are amazing bands. Just stop comparing and listen to the music. Comment about how you like it. Not about who they may sound like. It's dumb. Thank you. This song is fucking great.
kaylalovesparamore 1 year ago 95
@kaylalovesparamore sorry girl but paramore and VersaEmerge do sound alike. it's the whole pop-punk/post hardcore trend. The thing that makes them sound alike though would be the chick singer. comparing these two bands is like comparing silverstein to broadway. They have many many similarities but are still different.
amaze316 1 year ago
@amaze316 yes they may have a few similarities, but that doesn't mean people need to say oh these guys are just like paramore. yes they have a girl singer, yes their music is awesome. but people like who say " she sounds like hayley!" Really? They sound nothing alike. Thats just what I mean.
kaylalovesparamore 1 year ago
I love the picture of VersaEmerge in this video!
natashabluey 1 year ago 4
this song is really interesting, i love this.
CarlyMarino 1 year ago
interesting....
Whats with the comparison?
o.o
LetsFollowTheDeadEnd 1 year ago
haha. that's what i thought
Killerlady118 1 year ago
I don't understand why, but her voice reminds me of britany spears....
kbaptiste28 2 years ago 2
lmao, the irony is that she did a cover of Toxic by Britney Spears too! >X3
lovehatehero32932 2 years ago 4
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wow..... that's pretty gay.
kbaptiste28 2 years ago
the cover is actually really good. you should look it up. ^^
lovehatehero32932 2 years ago
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your mother is pretty gay
Evanescencec 2 years ago
nice burn, i might have to get some ice...
kbaptiste28 2 years ago 3
my fave VE song so far
simpsonsfan2k9 2 years ago
AGREED!
kitycatt13 2 years ago
All of this just makes me smile, because on Halloween when they came to do a concert in Dallas, they dressed up like Paramore. xD
StepIntoTheSky 2 years ago 4
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yeah i saw that they looked like retards.
chemaeraa 2 years ago
LOL really xD awesome
bLuEyEzAtTiTuDe 1 year ago
Oh my god Please just stop comparing, the first time was ok, but now is annoying.
PmoreJoss17 2 years ago
I commented my own video in my other account how stupid is this? lol
PmoreJoss17 2 years ago
wow....somebody please disable comments so all this comparing will stop....just listen to the damn music.
famousgirl9x9 2 years ago
wtF is everyone saying sierra sounds nothing like hayley williams and their music is general just has a totally different sound! comparing them is just completelyyy uselessss.
chelseaohtotty 2 years ago 3
i really dont think they sound alike very much... they sing in different octaves..
and hayley has a slightly "squeaky"-er voice.
CheesyCake143 2 years ago
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i wrestled a bear once* hey monday, eyes set to kill, flyleaf, Tat, female singers.
..so i guess they all sound like paramore right?
nsblove2 2 years ago
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nsblove2 2 years ago
they were in kerang mag!!
alfiexz 2 years ago
zomg awesome! lol i love this song :)
mayamayagirl 2 years ago
Jesus one thing /i love about youtube is how stressed some people get :') threating people cos they think she sounds a little bit like paramore :D
ilbicmtbws 2 years ago
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luckasequi 2 years ago
i heart this song
eatgluesticks 2 years ago 4
Infairness, the singer does sound a lot like hayley williams, and they are in the same music genre as paramore, unlike JFAC, ESTK and flyleaf :S
ghghghhh123 2 years ago
are you a DUNCE? she sounds NOTHING like hayley williams. shall i punch your face in? you need to learn her name, too, sierra kusterbeck.
tasialoserface 2 years ago
Actually, she does sound like Hayley williams in some songs :S
One song in particular she sounds the exact same.
are you DEAF?! no need to you language sweetheart (:
ghghghhh123 2 years ago 2
i'm not deaf. i think you are.
tasialoserface 2 years ago
Deaf is when you are unable to hear. Your statement is illogical, because according to you, I'm the one hearing things, which means I can't be deaf, but according to me, you aren't hearing it, which could make you deaf (:
You think you'd learn something like that in school.
ghghghhh123 2 years ago 4
@tasialoserface god calm down, I also think her voice is kinda a little like hayleys, but unique too.
i found versamerge through paramore, and love them.
get a life.
ilbicmtbws 2 years ago
@tasialoserface stop threatening people, you immature little brat.
ilbicmtbws 2 years ago
um, yeah. i'm not threatening anyone, and whatever. you people apparently think that every girl who is a lead vocalist sounds like hayley williams, it's the only thing that pissed me off. stop comparamoring them.
tasialoserface 2 years ago 6
i personally think sierra sounds like hayley. VE & paramore sound very similar. its not just the female vocalist, it's that her voice has a lot or power just like hayley's does. and the music sounds similar. there's no need to be rude about people's opinions.
bellaswan89642 2 years ago
i agree, and on top of that, they are both very attractive.
iskateyay 2 years ago
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nsblove2 2 years ago 3
Job for a cowboy don't have a female singer. whaat the fuck? And eyes set to kill are a different genre, so are flyleaf. Versaemerge are the same genre as paramore, and the singer kinda sounds the same as Hayley williams. I'm not saying they're ripping them off, I'm just saying what's wrong with you're statement.
ghghghhh123 2 years ago
she sounds NOTHING like hayley williams, idiot. she sounds like SIERRA KUSTERBECK. so shut the fuck up and learn some manners.
tasialoserface 2 years ago
@tasialoserface you learn some fucking manners you boob [:
ilbicmtbws 2 years ago
well, i a a girl.
tasialoserface 2 years ago
Why paramore? why cant they compare this to flyleaf? :x im joking.
muffinxx13 2 years ago
dont joke about that!
flyleaf was before paramore so it would be fair to do that right? lol
chaosbankai 2 years ago
favourite song by VE (: <3
Calicate 2 years ago 2
people need to stop comparing ever female singer band to paramore. theres alot of bands out there, and that doesn't mea they ripped off paramore. i live both bands. <3
shadowofthedayy172 2 years ago 7
i love you. you're so fucking smart.
tasialoserface 2 years ago
@tasialoserface haha, thanks. i ust hate how people do that.
shadowofthedayy172 2 years ago
love them but i hate it wen they compare bands that hav a single female who sings to paramore jsut cus they hav a female singer dont mean they copied paramore
indigo0indie0boy 2 years ago 7
what are those noises during the song? it's annoying haha.
but i love VersaEmerge
yuhhhashley 2 years ago 5
lol...
i thouht theyre post hardcore band...
personally, they r better than paramore..
more havier and talented...
ad060047 2 years ago 2
different genres pal, dont compare :D
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
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ad060047 2 years ago
really?
lol~~
ad060047 2 years ago
You can't compare Paramore and VE, they aren't the same kind of music. Both are great and both heaps talented.
life4blade 2 years ago 12
VersaEmerge with Spencer Pearson was a post-hardcore band
VersaEmerge with Sierra Kusterbeck is now branching into alternative, experimental, and avant-garde
KeybladeSephi 2 years ago 2
agreee.....
ad060047 2 years ago
whoa. how the hell did i get 2 thumbs down? i just said VE had amazing instrumentals
aniferret 2 years ago 7
idk maybe cause u said somet5hing bout paramore. idk haha people are strange
Sims2loverxyz 2 years ago
haha its just that people are ignorant and cant even see the difference in genres that paramore and VE have they are my fave bands respectively :D
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
Paramore is my Fav band, and now checking these guys out, and they seem pretty cool. :) Thanks for the upload Kai.
life4blade 2 years ago
I dont get how they can be compared to Paramore. You dont get instrumentals like this in Paramore
aniferret 2 years ago 3
I love VE :) I've known about them for a while now. Seen them live twice and they're amazing.
:)
paramorexfanx14 2 years ago
saw them live two days ago and met them, theyr soo nice♥
NeverShoutChelkie 2 years ago
same! did u see them saturday??
bolddetermination 2 years ago
no it was friday night but it was soo cooool
NeverShoutChelkie 2 years ago
Saw them yesterday at a Boys Like Girls concert, they were rather good. Love her voice!
justanotherdreamer90 2 years ago 2
i went to one of the boys like girls concert and they were an opening act. ever since last saturday i have beeeen obesesssssssed! And jerry is such a cutie, got to hang with him after they performed. but shit i love this song!
caughtinthespotlight 2 years ago
my absolute favorite VE song.
they are the shitt!
cierralovesyoumore 2 years ago
My friend is inlove with sierra lol!
xoUntilYourMineJoexo 2 years ago
omfg i absolutely love the tune they have in this song.. shes soo hot and has a good voice.. i like the keyboard in this song
kevNchris445 2 years ago
THEY PLAYED THIS AT THE KOOL HAUS ON 15/11/09 :D
They are amazing live! ♥
RandomAirlines 2 years ago
I KNOW I WAS THERE TOOO! :)
FuronLord 2 years ago
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theyre like hey monday
does anybody hav a myspace?
tobybobby5 2 years ago
They are so much better than Hey Monday. VersaEmerge has actual talent.
waysrabidfangirl 2 years ago 5
Hey Monday has talent, as does VersaEmerge.
They aren't anything alike, however, so you can't really compare them.
makeXmusicXnotXwar 2 years ago 3
yea i think they r they hav better music
tobybobby5 2 years ago
They actually have music, period :P
herducklesness 2 years ago
@tobybobby5
wtf!!! they're nothing like hey monday!
are you crazy?
and im sure more than half these people have myspaces. very creeperish question. in my opinion.
caughtinthespotlight 2 years ago
@caughtinthespotlight
yea they're different :)
sairries25 2 years ago
psshh ok than
im guessin ur mean lol jk
tobybobby5 2 years ago
lol. love the sound effects :)
AngelaLuvsPatd22 2 years ago 5
They more remind me a bit of Lacuna Coil. Like less rock but with the dark sound and her voice seems a bit like cristina scabbia but not as good.
azul360 2 years ago
ugh i hat ewhen people compare bands like paramore, VE,Hey monday, ... maybe hey monday copy a little aramore, but they're not the same. the three are similar just in that the'res only 1 girl in the band and she is the vocalist. but their sound os no the same! please dont compare!
VE rules :D
onyxdarky 2 years ago 7
yeah i know but i dont think they are alike this is the way i see it paramore are so energetic and stuff, hey monday are somewhat pop-ish and VE have kind of a dark sound and stuff they only compare them because of the girl singing, its like harry potter and twilight they have nothing to do with each other and people compare them just because they are books made movies that is just so...stupid :)
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
yess!!!!!!!! omgosh you're so right!
i agree 100%!
that's what i meant ot say, they're similar in.. jusr that they have from women :)
their sound is completetly different :)
xx
(ps: thanks for understanding! finally someone!)
onyxdarky 2 years ago
haha no! thank you! i thought i was the only freak that supports this fact! )haha just kidding about the freak thing) :)
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
hahah now you know you're not alone! :D
(i know you're jk) :]
onyxdarky 2 years ago
haha youre so cool! ill add you as a friend! ;D
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
kk i'll add you :D ♥
onyxdarky 2 years ago
Agree.
Like, just like the band.
Bah. : P
grgmna 2 years ago
yess! thank you!♥
onyxdarky 2 years ago
don't talk bad about Paramore please
Hiedster321 2 years ago
Its way better then paramore!!! X (
Chubby12694 2 years ago
nothing liiike paramore
klrbrwneyes 2 years ago
please! haha dont say anything about Paramore and VE tehy are my fave bands respectively :)
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
Sorry, dood. They're both amazing in their own way.. I was just commenting on Chubby12694 that said they were way better then paramore.
klrbrwneyes 2 years ago
haha ok i undestand i just dont want this to become a "youtube comment argue" like every video does :)
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
They remind me of Hey Monday..
i like it.
They were kickass at the Boys Like Girls/Cobra Starship/The Main/A Rocket To The Moon tour on 10/17/09.
xxtwilightlurberxx 2 years ago
doesn't the guy on the right look kinda like a vampire? No, seriously!?
maddythegrrr8 2 years ago
AHAHA! YEA!
SUPERxADDICTED2LENKA 2 years ago
lol, looks a little more like a werewolf to me
Hiedster321 2 years ago
I love this song! :) My friend sent me this song and at first i thought This song is gheyyy but then i kept listening to it and i was like... ITS AWESOME... ;) I♥Music, Music♥Me, and MusicAlso♥YOU! ;) and You♥MusicToo! :D
LiesOfTheNight 2 years ago
lol haha thank you
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
LOVE!
laughalways64 2 years ago
I covered this song on drums,it'd be nice if all of you could comment and subscribe :]
OhhhAbel 2 years ago
seeing them october 23! cant wait
3dayzgracefanatic11 2 years ago
guy in blck v-neck t= HOTT
3dayzgracefanatic11 2 years ago
Thank you for uploading this. <3
You are amazing.
I cannot wait to see them October 18th.
br00kewasalllike 2 years ago
loVEloVEloVEloVEloVEloVE
storrmynights 2 years ago 2
me gusta la kncion!!! suena BN!!
bbmg79 2 years ago
AMAZING!!
Quite unique =]
ejcottier 2 years ago
They're okay.
ansemthehunter 2 years ago
i love them!!!!! would someone please upload their whole cd cause i havent heard it lol
actlikewereonspeed1 2 years ago
if you wish ill upload all songs
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
Please do. We would all kiss your feet.
jUliaLuVsYoUu 2 years ago
ive posted 2 more songs from their cd chek em out if u want ^^
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago
Please do!! :D
LegendxofxReality 2 years ago
thanks for posting this..i love this song...
louisagurl13 2 years ago
i love this song!
xoxnomusicnolifexox 2 years ago 2
Thanks :)I was searching for it me too XD
Thank you very much :) I really love this song,it's so awesome *-*
giusylastar 2 years ago
hey glad u liked it!
PmoreJoss17 2 years ago
oh sorry i answered in my other channel but oh whatever lol
PmoreJoss17 2 years ago
oh i and i met them yesterday!!!
JalilCantarero 2 years ago
thank u so much for actually posting a vid that isnt of them LIVE.
JalilCantarero 2 years ago 5
great! glad u liked it lol i know i was searching 4 this in all youtube but there wasnt one so i made this! and u are lucky!! m from mexico so it may take time for me to meet them haha
kaikazeparamorefan 2 years ago