Dowry demands 'killing' Bengali women - 12 Dec 08

[fukkalukka]

not hindu only - but in muslim culture as well. The assholes who throws acid should be given death penalty

[johnmoreland]

Is there anything positive about this fucked up aspect of Hindu culture?

Really fucked up. Interesting that most animals are magnitudes more civilized than the type of human garbage that support this kind of behavior.

Some people were just not gifted with brains hey!

The death penalty is 100% appropriate for this.

The families of the dowry criminals should also be put to trial and guilty accomplices be eligible for the death penalty too.

[mishbahni]

Dowries are stupid!

Marriage should be one of loce not greed

[sumiifucan]

i dont understand why Muslims are involved in this, the dowry is given to the bride in Islam, if anything the acid should be poured onto men for not providing the money

[kyubitatsu]

@celestial1933 You're calling them backwards and barbaric yet you didn't realize that this video is talking about Bengali women, who aren't located in the Middle East.

[shaolin00]

This is a hindu wedding, you can tell by the bellowing. Such a beutiful at her wedding. Very sad.

[barnzy2302]

And in Islam, the dowry from husband in islam should not go to the girls family either. It should go to the bride alone. So its not families selling daughters. If they do that its not because of islam.

[orangestoneface]

in india mostly its herbacide poision in two areas in punjab

[nourenemies]

This is hindu custom and tradition n muslim if ne1 is wondering

[DJRick313rd]

I don't agree with arranged marriages either...

[loverboy4cutegir]

indian is worse then this.

[goliathlup1]

Total eradication of Islam seems more and more humane.

[CaligirlSofia]

y? this isnt even Islam..but hinduism..in Islam the women dont pay a dowry..get ur info right before saying something bais u moron

[goliathlup1]

My bad. It seemed disgusting enough.

[CaligirlSofia]

have u ever set foot in a mosque?

u dont anything about Islam..yet ur talking bad?

[goliathlup1]

I've seen enough.

[CaligirlSofia]

seen enough from who and where? getting bias info from bias people doesnt make it true..pls go inside a mosque get REAL info on Islam..coz obviously u dont know much..

[goliathlup1]

OK i know everything has to be watered down but there never is smoke without a fire.

[CaligirlSofia]

wat r u tryna say? and did u go to a mosque coz until u do u dont have enough correct info to talk about it

[ur1234562001]

All women death in India and Bangladesh is considered as Dowry death. But in truth those deaths are accident,sucide,natural death. It is the wrong probaganda using very isolated cases. Isolated cases are in USA,UK too. Women are raped and murdered in USA and UK too, does it mean dowry exist in usa,uk?.

[bluetube01]

Lying, hypocritical Hindu bastard. Spread your filth elsewhere. If you Hindus think you are fooling anyone with your bullshit, think again. Anyone who knows anything about Indian and Hinduism knows exactly how corrupt, perverse, and primitive you people are. Wife burning, temple prostitution, incest, child abuse, and the list goes on. Even in Vancouver, Canada (where I live) it is very common for Indians to murder their wives. "Accident" my ass.

[DJRick313rd]

I'm an Indian, and I don't believe in violence against women, period. I've had cases where a few women would throw insults to try to get reaction out of me, but I either ignored it, or walked away.

I'm pro for women :)

[ur1234562001]

Dowry death is false probaganda for political campaign. In reality dowry is used by the bride to buy a working,able husband, it is a bribe. All women in subcontinent wants a man who earns good money and almost these women want to stay home and do not prefer to work. So father of the women buy a working man to his daughter.

[ur1234562001]

DOWRY = Daddy Owning Working Reliable Youngster

[winter32842]

Dowry (both women paying or the man paying are bad)

Women paying = abuse by husbands for more money

Men paying = family selling their daughters for money (see Afghanistan)

[wiseweat]

this has nothing to do with islam, its an old indian system, nothing to do with islam at all. islam forbids this

[LotharioCasanova]

Islam is disgusting and barbarian. Where women who are raped can be lashed or stoned to death under shariah law. What a disgusting vile cult Pisslam is.

[apusadia]

Mr. LotharioCasanova, You express yourself against Islam again..!! It's seems you are very aggressive type of person. I told you that you should read first about Islam before your comment. Some country still follow the shariah law but that doesn't mean that shariah law is bad. You can look Saudi Arabia Justice system...!!! Where the first implement shariah law,which is introduce many many years ago.....!!! Now the modern world justice system also can't give you assurance 100% fare judgement.

[technotazx3]

@LotharioCasanova Islam isnt, the obstruction that people bring upon it is.

[Mayacreep]

How can people get so greedy and vicious, to actually hurt and kill their own wife over money! These people gotta get their priorities straight. Any Husband who cud actually do that to his wife probably wuda been an abusive wife beater anyway, dowry or not

[theoneandonlyolya]

these marriages are arranged, they don't love their spouses

[almutairi2007]

fuck you. ISLAM BIGGER THAN THIS

[marissanewcomb]

Islam doesnt do this! do some research buddy. Islam doesn't make the womens family pay dowry, the man is too pay the wife dowry which she keeps if they divorce.

[KISTOVI]

im so sory for these women..

[tubegirlno1]

my husband threatned me that if i left he would throw acid on my face. I lodged a police complain and had him arrested. He was careful there after

[IFORGOTMYLEGS]

@tubegirlno1 How horrible! You did the right thing.

[skillcentre]

you LotharioCasanova ( motherfucker aethist , this is exactly what Islam taught was not to do..Islam made it fard for the husband to pay rather than the girls party..Since you think Islam is ruining us you should know the fact that ISLAM has been logically proven as the most perfect and peaceful way to life you illiterate atheist..ISLAM is the fastest growing religion in the world.. I am a Bangladeshi.. say anything legitamate , even about bangladesh.. But not ISLAM...

[realnews316]

The Police should Arrest these men and throw Acid on there Cocks .

[shadhin2007]

Dowry problem is worst in Middleast than poor Bangladesh, over there father of daughter recieve the dowry money and sell their 16Y daughter's to 80 year's old man

and those young man who do not have the money can not afford to get married.

Before pionting to bangladesh aljazzera should look first their parent country.

[ItsTruth2]

These men who commit these crimes should have their dicks cut off and be forced to eat it raw...then their balls should be shoved down their throat and then catch their asses on fire....

[ImmortalGrandPriX]

o and by the way, South Asia and the Middle East are two different places.. As a south asian (Bangladeshi), our culture is entirely different from a lot of that in the middle east.. i'm just pointing out differences.. but i am a proud Muslim woman.. and this dowry business is based on culture not Islam, btw. In Islam, it's the man that has to give the dowry.

[LotharioCasanova]

Fuck Islam its killing Bangladesh, if you guyts got rid of Islam then dealt with these archaic ancient laws you could well be on the road to progress but if you don't your country will fall into the abyss. yu think the saudis give a shit about you. Islam is their greatest export to control. atheism and secular democracy is the only way.

[dayspook]

Islam has nothing to do with dowry and dowry killings. Hindus do it as well. It is a cultural not a religious practice. Ignorance and ignorant comments will perpetuate hate and violence. EDUCATE yourself before you speak.

[ImmortalGrandPriX]

what this world does for money.. wars, tortures, killings.. i'm soo sick of all this... i hope day all the people of the earth will be able to live in some sort of peace.

[arapum]

i feel really sad after watching this video... and i feel bad for those women... government should make very strict law for this type of criminal acts..

[dragonrasp]

I think brideprice and dowery are both pretty old customs. It's the wrong reason to get married. I am English Canadian, but my first friend and oldest friend is East-Indian Canadian and even lived in India for a few years. His parents had to flee India because she was of a higher social/religious caste than he was. Their marriage also suffered because she acted like she was from a higher caste. In Canada we are 50/50. Equal. =

You should perhaps try it out in your country.

[dragonrasp]

Rediculous. In Canada 2 people get married because they love one another. They build a life and money together. In most cases the man and woman work until they have children at which point most women decide to stay home and raise the children, cook and clean. The man works to make the money and helps out a bit with housework.

In other cases the mother works as well but only while the children are in school. We all go to school. It's the law.

[emadkay1]

Islam has clear law on marriage and dowry. It is the bridegroom responsibility to pay the dowry. The woman has the right to demand what ever she wants. This is a barbaric culture that has nothing to do with Islam. How will a brother or a father allow his daughter or sister to go through this? Indeed, Jahilliya (ignorance) makes you blind or deaf. Make God protect us from this evil act.

[mieroth]

... Do you realise how idiotic you sound? Who cares what it's like in Islam. This is a hindu tradition. And it's exactly the same thing. In one practise the wife gets the money and in the other the husband. You can't be that hypocritical to support one but not the other. Surely?

[prisha91755]

These men are completely worthless human beings. Is there anything lower than a man who must torture a woman for money? Bangladesh... shame on you!

[wabdinur]

I know that marriage and materialism goes hand in hand in practically every society but this practice goes too far.

[GodKillerAtheist]

I'd still bone the acid face chick it just looks like her skin is slightly discolored and like the song goes were all just shades of brown

[ftc68]

Atrocious cultural practice. Not religious. The reporter didn't mention Islam once- people who introduce that to the debate are biased and ignorant in the first place.

And, for the record, the first wedding is Hindu

[FortoneND]

This isn't true Islam, but a twisted version of "their" belief. These guys would be thrown in prison or put to death if they we're in the Middle East.

[GodKillerAtheist]

you dont even want to know how many times I have heard that same sad excuse. you should be ashamed.

[SolomanKane2k8]

FortoneND, you are a serious fool. Islam or any other religion has nothing to do with it. This is just a fucked up backward ass practice

in the region. It's basically male dominated big pimping, why the hell does the man not provide the dowry? The husbands and there families are just straight up ghetto pimps.

[afortaleza]

I don't get it, what kind of marriage is this, where the husband kills the wife for money ? How a man turns into a murderer of the woman he has to love ? And how come does that happen in thousands every year ?

[TaskiyahEmaani]

thats just sick, if the dowry is given to the man isnt it obvious that he's going to abuse that system and only marry for the money?

such a heart breaking story, the muslims in bangladesh should leave this backward hindu tradition and follow the islamic teaching.

[mieroth]

And why wouldn't women "abuse the system?" Don't be a hypocrite. Double standards have no place here. Either you're for both (the Islamic and Hindu) or for neither. Choose your pick. :)

[TaskiyahEmaani]

because unlike hindusm a man dosnt go off in search for cash, in the islamic tradition the male asks the permission of the girl for her hand in marriage and then consults the parents, its not the women who go off looking for men to marry so that they can get their hands on the cash. there's a difference.

in the islamic tradition the mehr (or dowry) dosnt have to be money and the women can chose wether to except the gift or not.

so if you use ur logic there is a wide gap between the two.

[mieroth]

Why do you assume that in the Hindu tradition men go off "in search of cash?" Since women traditionally do not work in Hindu cultures the money/items given to the husbands is a gift since they'll be taking care of the woman financially in the future. And you calling the dowry a "gift" doesn't change what it is. It's exactly the same situation. You are an ignorant close-minded fool.

[TaskiyahEmaani]

no you're mistaken the real fool is the one who's too thick to educate her self :)

[xIIxGustavoxIIx]

Islam is a very sick religion

[LMartella]

There is no dowry paid to the husband in Islam. I challenge you to find one Islamic source that promotes this practice.

Stop speaking out of ignorance.

[mieroth]

There is to the woman though in many cultures. Which is just as bad.

[SolomanKane2k8]

xIIxGustavoxIIx, educate yourself asshole.

This is not Islam, I know in the west you have been taught by mainstream media to have a lustful hatred toward Muslims. Free your empty mind for a moment. This is a fucked up backward ass practice period, and from what I have seen it is a predominately Hindu practice. Your religion is sick too just like the rest of them.

[TomMarAlem1987]

In Islam there is a Dowry, and then there is the Mahr. The Mahr is the gift that the male has to give the female. The male gets to request something from the female and the female also gets to request something from the male.

[regulate112]

That is a crock of shit.

The mahr and dowry is exactly the same thing. Women in Islam do not have to give a dollar in marriage.

[TomMarAlem1987]

Mahr= Male to female.

Dowry= Female to male.

[regulate112]

Bullsht. The mahr is the dowry in Islam. Women do not have to pay a dollar in marriage. Stop lying.

What Indians/Pakistanis do in their culture is their problem.

[Kamal767]

"And give women (on marriage) their dower (Mahr) as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, take it and enjoy it with right good cheer." (Al-Qur'an : Al-Nisa' :4)

Now stop spreading this ignorance.

[TomMarAlem1987]

It is a dower given to the wife by the husband. This report is talking about the dower given to the husband by the wife.

[Kamal767]

Can you show me a Qur'anic passage or Hadith where a wife is encouraged to give money to the husband (or their respective families)?

[TomMarAlem1987]

Brother Baba Ali will tell you: /watch?v=1kee_CCJUbg&feature=c­hannel_page

[tamarindusindica]

Tomasz, your page says you have ties to India. That could explain your misunderstanting of dowry in Islam. In the rest of the Islamic world such confusion does not exist and women do not pay a dime in dowry.

[TomMarAlem1987]

When you have internet access you are living in a state of jahiliyya. Google "What is Mahr" and discover.

[tamarindusindica]

Why don't you explain to me why I live in a state of jahiliya? Don't tell me to google or watch a youtube video. Provide a Quranic verse or hadith that supports your dowry theory.

[TomMarAlem1987]

{And give the women their dowries with a good heart...} An-Nisaa:4 The dowry given to women can be money, but it can be objects as well. I believe it can even be recitations of Qur'an.

[Kamal767]

That video uses the terms dowry and mahr interchangeably, both meaning a gift that the man gives to the wife. He doesn't mention anything about the wife giving anything to the husband.

And that is because it is not mentioned anywhere in any primary source of Islam.

[TomMarAlem1987]

You speak truth. Point to the statements I have made in error and out of not understanding.

[mieroth]

But what's the difference? So, the money is given to the woman instead... It's still buying the wife/husband. o.o

[TaskiyahEmaani]

sometimes its better to use your head and research instead of just relying on peoples personal opinion.

i advice you to read into the quran and you'll see the massive difference between a greedy want for money and pleasing gift to a wife.

[anticryptojoo]

muslims in south east asia were hindus b4, we converted to islam overtime...

but we still carry some practises ..

[bluecafe22]

This is just fucking sick!! The way they treat women in these fucking countries is absolutely shocking! Women are not even considered people it seems, but property. As though men are doing somebody favor by being with them.

I am sure these women would do fine on their own, they don't need demanted sickos inflicting evil onto them.

[pathanzamir]

This is very seviour crime against women and human right violation. Islam does not permit dowary and it is the very hectic blow to the parents of girl who is marrying. But in Hindu religion in Bengal and Bangladesh this is a seviour problem.

[tamilponnu85]

this is really, really sad.

[qatari92]

sad very sad, the penalty for committing this crime should be harsher and there should be a special police force that hunts these men down

[romanali1]

The report is not accurate in explaining the situation. I am a Bengali Muslim, so I'll explain.

In Bengali Muslim marriages the groom agrees to pay the bride a dowry, as per Islamic shariah. Often, it is just committed and not actually paid unless there is a divorce. In some cases it is not paid even then because not everyone is a good Muslim, or they realise they can no longer afford it, but then there are some who pay it upfront. So the there is variation. So this is from groom to bride.

[romanali1]

However, on top of this, there is "gifting". A wedding is celebration and the bride goes off to live with the groom (and his family). So as a send-off gift the bride's family may choose to voluntarily give her and her husband some gifts. This is not demanded by Islam, but if it is truely voluntary then being giving/charitable (in general) is considered a good thing in Islam like in all religions.

[romanali1]

The problem is, sometimes the groom's side make demands like "i want several lakh taka (1 lakh=100,000 :Bangladeshi money), or a motorcycle, new kitchen and other furniture". It's all about greed and status.

Since women don't traditionally work, the groom's side considers they are doing a favour to the bride's family by taking her. These demands are totally unIslamic, and the bride's family feel obliged to agree because they fear they cannot get their daughter wed otherwise.

[romanali1]

It is understandable that a beneficiary may wish to express a request for a specific gift if someone else is going to gift them something anyway, especially in a poor country, but when it becomes a burden on the giver then of course the situation gets political.

The gifting (by bride's side) and the actual dowry (by groom's side) are seen as quid pro quo, but as I said, Islamically there is no obligation for bride's side to gift.

Poverty and ignorance is the cause of this.

[romanali1]

My previous comments are true for Muslims (which is over 80% of Bangladeshi population).

In the Hinduism (the largest minority in Bangladesh), it is the bride's side that give the dowry because she is seen as a burden to the groom's side.

[tamarindusindica]

By your comments one would conclude there is NO difference between the hindus and the muslims who are taking money and making demands on the brides family. And on both sides the families see their daughters as a burden they must get rid off at any price.

There is no differnce at all.

[romanali1]

As I said, there is much ignorance. It would be good if the religious leaders made more of an effort to clarify that making demands and seeing a daughter as a burden is not acceptable. However, when you have poverty and a girl doesn't usually work, it is to be expected that there will be ignorance.

Let us hope the education continues. Bangladesh is slowly becoming progressive and women are getting more rights, but my view is that it is not Islam that's causing the issue. It is cultural practice

[tamarindusindica]

No its a hindu practice. And apparently these bengali "muslims" have not let go of their ancestors religion and culture. Renamimg the practice from dowry to "gift" doesn't change the reality.

[tamarindusindica]

I agree with you though that educating people is the only lasting solution.

[johntabbot]

Christian community in India also practices this crappy hindu custom of bride paying dowry. Crazy backwards system

[romanali1]

The situation get's exacerbated because Bengali marriages are often arranged, in "respectable" families at least (in both Islam and Hinduism), because soliciting/dating are considered a sin in Islam (meeting in a public place is ok), and just unrespectable in both religions.

Arranged does not equal forced marriage, and compulsion is forbidden in Islam, but that's a different discussion.

The family play a greater role in arranging marriage and the "terms", therefore there are more stakeholders.

[Spade0007]

The things that happen on planet Earth --

[Killa8]

People that think like that are Animals no other explanation.Oh I forgot humans are animals.

[boxant]

A sickening practice that has no place in this world.

[tatsukogarasu]

this shocked me, i should not be surprise because some people are horrible, do they marry these girls for just the money? I'm Muslim and we do dowry as well, but its the husband pays the wife, not the wife pays the husband, why should wife pay husband i don't understand maybe its a Hindu thing or a cultural thing in South Asia perhaps, I'm interested, anyone know?

[FarangBalls]

Hi, I am going to marry a Thai woman soon and I must pay a dowry TO her parents, not the the other way around. They are buddhist. It makes sense this way to me because the husband is effectivly removing the daughter from their family. I dont understand the bangladeshi dowry either..

[tatsukogarasu]

yea that makes since to me too, i know the Muslim way the husband pays wife to show he can provide for her, and if marriage not work she keeps it all but i not pay to my wife's mom and dad just to her herself

[xgotfiveonitx]

if it were me, in this modern age, i would stick it in a bank in a trust fund, not to be opened unless a divorce is final. 1,400 years ago these things were not available, which is why the money was given to her father to hold onto instead.

[xgotfiveonitx]

yes its a hindu practice not a muslim one. thats the problem with desi south asian muslims, they continue to adapt old hindu cultural practices such as dowery payments by the wife sides. the husband is supposed to pay the dowery, money set aside in case of divorce, a sort of pre nup. bangladeshi's were converted from hinduism centuries ago, im not surprised many of thse backward cultural practices continue to exist.

[tatsukogarasu]

i guess its more of a culture practice.. i know many Bengali Muslim, and there good Sunni Muslim so we have to be careful not to label all Bengali and South Asian Muslim with a "broad brush" but i know in parts of the world that cultural practices seem to dominate the religious practices, its sad, because people will see this type of report and think its a religious practice and the norm :( thanks for your reply ^_^

[xgotfiveonitx]

well i dont mean to say just bangladeshis, im an indian muslim myself, and muslims from bangla, india and pakistan continue to practice backward hindu customs that goes against the very grain of Islam and for me thats the problem. because this dowery issue also affects muslims in india and pakistan as well, where muslims in these countriesa re practicing a hindu custom.

[laylod4]

The woman's family pays because she is supposed to be taken care of for the rest of her life by the husband, so it will ease the burden of the man by starting with some money.

[johntabbot]

backwards culture

[ArtypNk]

Man, I never thought about it in such a deep retails as now, but god dammit, thank you mommy and daddy for fucking in Europe.