Simplest Golf Swing on the PGA Tour - The No Hinge

[emncaity]

Which "#2 player" on tour does this?

[ascii456]

you are on Tour?

[hennybogan007]

I guess everyone needs their niche to sell, but seriously? Every single decent full swing has some wrist hinge in the backswing (yes even Holmes and Stricker). As for the top 5 players in the world, freeze their swings at impact and compare to this swing LOL. Nobody on the entire PGA tour will be in this impact position unless maybe they are hitting a touch shot around the green. I challenge you to prove me wrong. This is a disservice to golfers who want to improve but don't know any better.

[scoremore05]

Don't be fooled @hennybogan007 by camera angle and thinking that my wrist unhinged because it didn't. I'm holding it rigid.

And if you think that Stricker & Holmes hinge, then you are nitpicking. If they chose to hinge, their swing would look completely different.

The wrists are only so strong, and even when you try not to hinge, there could be slight movement.

Ask yourself this: what gets a golfer closer to Stricker's move? Telling them to hinge or telling them not to.

[hennybogan007]

I am not "fooled" by your camera angle @scoremore05 (I have a great deal more experience with video). I never said YOUR wrist hinged any, just that any decent golfer will hinge and un-hinge their wrists during the swing. Stricker and Holmes have the FEELING of keeping their wrists somewhat firm during the backswing, but their wrists are still very active (they have to if they want power) Ask yourself this: what gets a golfer closer to Hogan's move? Telling them to hinge or telling them not to?

[NoGolfKarts]

loss of spine angle in the backswing, Zero compression with the ground, loss of hip and shoulder rotation into impact. you have way more serious issues than wrist hinge my friend.

you keep your feet down throught the swing which is good. but you're not maximizing the energy from pushing against the ground. the aid is nice but misdirecting swing focus away from the feet and maintaining posture position. a sturdy structure is better for alingnment than trying to 'visualize proper plane'.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @NoGolfKarts. Where do I start.

How about where you ended speaking about "misdirecting focus" onto plane.

The resulting shot is what matters and I don't recall asking golfers to visualize the plane.

It's a simple move with very few moving parts and the ball ended up right by the pin.

Pick it apart all you want, but it's a phenomenal alternative for helping golfers score.

[NoGolfKarts]

@scoremore05 Apologies for picking it apart. I totally agree with you about results are what matter most. The 4 key swing points I mentioned are lacking in the swing. Even y808z recommends a proper pivot which this swing is lacking. Improper pivot reduces balance and requires compensation at some point in the swing.[improper followthrough]. If your results are good I guess stick to it! But it could be simplified much more. Your body looks like it's fighting the swing not aiding it.

[scoremore05]

Noted @NoGolfKarts. Thanks for posting.

[nobackswing]

wrist hinge isn't needed for power as long as you create some lag in the downswing. check JB Holmes.

[scoremore05]

Ahhh, @nobackswing. You beat me to it.

Great post.

[Excaliburxxxxxx]

No hinge, no power....plain and simple.

[scoremore05]

Is that right @Excaliburxxxxxx? Better tell that to the longest driver on the PGA Tour the last two years.

No hinge, no long iron into the green....plain and simple.

[y808z]

I like the idea of no wrist, know all you need is a proper pivot.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @y808z.

[MrBashshar]

i dont see why everyone compares swings, point of golf is get it in the hole with the lowest amount of shots.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @MrBashshar.

[secretogolf]

Lynn Blake uses this device to help his students learn how to to set and keep the wedges needed for power potential and acurate shots.He is the top TGM teacher in the world.Golf becomes a game of feel when we can remember what to do right in it's simpliest form.Even PGA pro chase their swings from too much instruction Taly is keeping it simple.Ask Tiger how his swing "FEELS."

[scoremore05]

Great points @secretogolf. Thanks for posting.

[secretogolf]

@scoremore05 No prb man.Golfers need to be aware that gravity plays a huge role in the golf swing.I have committed to Hogans idea that the clubhead gets a free ride going down and finds the slot if we let the club drop where it wants to.Now I have a swing that doesn't require practice just a few reminders.Most importantly dont' try and grab the handle pick it up and let it fall with what becomes a natural weight shift weight shift,the divot occurs 2-3 inches ahead of the ball.Hand postions on.

[NoGolfKarts]

@secretogolf Agreed. but the hands lose the leading position through impact and are behind the ball when the clubhead strikes it.

[gagaofishaga]

Wrist flip at 0:18 seconds. Otherwise, nice job.

[scoremore05]

Camera angle at 0:18 seconds but thanks for posting @gagaofishaga.

Wrist can't flip because I am actually holding them rigid.

[andyinthejungle]

wkkwkwkwk what a horrible way to hit the ball.. rather give up than swing like that

[scoremore05]

Wow @andyinthejungle. You must not watch golf if you think that this move with a wedge is a horrible way to hit the ball.

We do have some OTHER unorthodox moves that help simplify the swing but this is not one of them.

If you get a chance, watch each of the top 5 players in the world hit their wedge and tell me if you notice any weird coincedences. Especially with the wedge.

[andyinthejungle]

@scoremore05 ..ya some astounding similarities with top 5 in world..

the clubhead out racing the hands to impact.. brilliant

classic lower body down swing move gets stuck on right foot, supporting weight as hands are flipping that clubhead through..

those two magic moves set up that penetrating launch angle of 75 degrees combined with that extremely low spin rate & zero compression, now he's pin seeking..the old floater ball ;-)

seeing alot of that on the PGA tour these days...

[scoremore05]

It's only camera angle @andyinthejungle as the left wrist is firm and can't outrace it.

With regards to weight shift, if you notice, the ball is in the back of my stance for a reason. If I want I can move the ball up and then weight shift will be more important. This is for a simplified move.

Your guess of low spin/compression is also way off as the ball actually checks up. More spin is easily added if wanted.

Trajectory is perfect for this shot and is easily made higher if desired.

[scoremore05]

And @andyinthejungle you obviously didn't look at the wedge swings of each of the top 5 in the world because you might have noticed something. Not everyone uses the move you are referring to. That move works great but this video is discussing a simplified move for those golfers that want one.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @andyinthejungle.

[bunkerputt]

I prefer not to hit my shots high and left.

[scoremore05]

Excellent @bunkerputt. Then this move is a great option for you.

[weedobooty]

lol! It ain't geometry.

[lmd168]

quick question, if there's no hinge - does that mean we lose power/distance as well?

[scoremore05]

Typically yes @lmd168 but if you use the new alignment shown, the answer is no.

This works because there's already a slight bend in the wrist at address, and the lead forearm can also roll.

Rolling the lead forearm open on the takeaway/backswing, sets the club on plane and allows better leverage of the golf shaft. The club will even look hinged from this position.

Those who explain that not hinging won't work, don't realize that they can roll their forearm open for a similar effect.

[MrBashshar]

FLIPPED IT.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @MrBashshar.

[NowLifeStarts]

Just hit the damn ball you noobs. Either you got it or you don't. If you need to strap things to your body to hit a golf ball try another sport. lol

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @NowLifeStarts.

[mikemw13]

@NowLifeStarts amen

[HunterDT]

I don't know man... it looks like you flipped at impact. Good luck with that.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @HunterDT. That's just the camera angle.

In this move, the wrists are actually held firm so they couldn't flip if they wanted to.

[jonjm44]

yeah thats a little over kill. I like where you are going with it though. Something more like steve stricker, where your swinging the WHOLE club back and through not just the club head. sticker has one of the most simplistic swings, and thats the goal. You don't want to get caught up in where you should hinge the club. If you have a correct grip it will hinge naturally...........Keep it simple stupid

[scoremore05]

Well said @jonjm44.

[Klistern2]

This seems simple, kind of similar to Moe Norman's swing mechanics. Nice strait ball flight, but little distance? How does this swing go trying to muscle out of thick rough where your ball is sitting right down? thx

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @Klistern2. 

That's a good point but also important to note the difference between this move and Moe Norman's.

As I recall, Moe wanted the left arm and the golf shaft on the same line. We don't encourage that for this move so now you not only have accuracy, you also have tremendous power because of the slight bend in the wrist which you can leverage.

[ZWoodward3]

there is no lag in this swing.... not much power generated either.. notice that u dont see many tour pros not hinging their wrists.. sergio garcia, nuff said

[scoremore05]

Is that right @ZWoodward3?

Who is the longest driver on the PGA Tour and does that golfer hinge his wrists?

[bucko06]

@scoremore05 JB Holmes is the longest on tour according to the driving distance statistic. This is not the same as being the longest driver. There are a whole bunch of guys that drive it miles further than him. He just uses driver more frequently than others which skews the statistic. Gary Woodland and Bubba Watson hit it miles further. So stop using that fake stat.

[scoremore05]

Come on @bucko06. Why would you say that the leader in the driving distance statistic uses the driver more than the other top 7 in that category.

Are you saying that each of these guys play the holes differently and don't use driver as much, or are you saying that one golfer plays more tournaments?

And what makes you think that the others are currently longer when the stat says otherwise? Personally, I would just group the top 5 together and say that on any given day ...

[bucko06]

@scoremore05 Of course there is a variance in the number of times each player uses driver off the tee. Some players are much more aggressive with their tee strategy, JB Holmes is one of them. Some are more sensible and realise that they have adequate length with the 3 wood. I'm sure if you found the stats, JB Holmes would have a higher proportion of drivers hit compared to others.

Furthermore, JB Holmes may not hinge his wrists on the back swing, but he still creates great hing before impact.

[scoremore05]

Well @bucko06, I just did a little check and it is the complete opposite of what you are saying. Bubba actually has more and Woodland has a lot more.

But thanks for posting. I do understand your point. We simply disagree.

[SAtruth22]

You are trying way to hard, look Golf is an Art form, people keep coming out and trying to make it as scientific and technical as possible, and you are hindering your own progress and wasting time. Stop trying to be a robot with gadgets and listen to your gut, golf is a feel game

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @SAtruth22.

Trusting a red ball called a Talynt point (i.e. trusting your Talynt) is too scientific and technical? Ok.

[bubbawatsonisbeast]

awful impact posistion

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @bubbawatsonisbeast.

[silowhore]

I don't understand the "no hinge" in the title, what exactly is the significance of it? I mean, the arms appear to do exactly what everyone's with a correct swing do. the left arm stays straight, as per usual the right DOES hinge as per usual?

[scoremore05]

Interesting point that you make @silowhore and that is sort of our point.

I am not actively hinging my wrist and I am actually holding my left wrist rigid so that it won't hinge and yet it still appears to look like a normal golf swing.

What golfers see in a golf swing is not necessarily what is being done. That's why we have posted videos showing golfers only the minimum that they need to do because plenty of other things "happen" on their own.

[silowhore]

@scoremore05 yeah i can see your left wrist rigid throughout i was referring to your right arm hinging as i thought that's what the title pertained to. didn't realize you meant the wrists

[silowhore]

@scoremore05 whatever you're doing it obviously works anyway you're hitting it well. would certainly be interesting to give it a try



[bails1080]

Aaron baddley changed back from this technique, and won again on the tour. Nuff said. People are not robots so why try to move like one, I understand the simplicity of this technique but not the way its sold. Another "lets reinvent the wheel" theory.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @bails1080.

[SawyaT13]

looks like to me at impact his hips haven't moved at all you lose so much power when hips aren't used to full potential he would gain distance if he fired his hips and they flowed with his swing. and yes i like the no wrist hinge J.B. Holmes doesn't hinge his wrists and he hits it further than a lot of guys on tour that do and turn until their shaft is parallel its really all about using your big muscles to generate power

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @SawyaT13.

[93MrJustin]

dont do this if you're a shorty. you'll probably hit the bug stick 160 yds.....? or less

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @93MrJustin. Care to help us understand why that would be the case?

[93MrJustin]

@scoremore05 Srry for the late reply. It was an exaggeration by my part... Your wrist is one of the key components to leverage in the swing. Therefore, it is essential for a golfer to have a wrist cock to achieve optimum velocity on the way down... The player in the video may have good distance control after hours of rehearsing with the aid however it is a huge giveaway considering he can gain a lot more distance through wrist hinge. But ppl like steve stricker have a similar technique

[paddyjk19]

The ball will also start nearer to the clubface direction than the swing path direction.

[paddyjk19]

Sharper911, you could shape the ball with straight arms and no wrist cock, the curvature of the ball comes from a clubface angle at impact that is different to the swing path (if the clubface is square to the swing path the ball will travel on the line of the swing path)

[scoremore05]

Well said @paddyjk19. I think many golfers out there (similar to Sharper911) believe that hinging is how golfers work the ball left and right.

[rhillstr]

Sorry dude but compare 12 seconds (horizontal on backswing) to 17seconds (horizontal on downswing). You hinge, plain and simple. However, you are allowing inertia to hinge the club instead of intentionally cocking your wrists consciously (Harvey Penick said the easiest way to screw up his students swings was to tell them to cock their wrists). I love the idea of removing as many moving parts from the swing as it increases the ability to get back to the ball and make contact center of face.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @rhillstr.

You're incorrect. How can it get more obvious that I am not hinging.

What you are noticing is that by restricting any hinge, my CLUBSHAFT NOW BOWS BACKWARDS and that's what is increases the angle slightly. That's very powerful.

If I loosen my wrists at 17 seconds, the club will hinge all the way backwards like 99% of golfers and then suddenly cast outward from recoiling.

[tmajik86]

Tried this style swing out, amazing how much straighter i hit the ball, baby draw. I dont know if ive really added any power or not, but i know for sure im making better use of the power i have, and routinely hit it about 270-280 with this swing, it has potential !

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @tmajik86.

[sharper911]

Let me know if i'm wrong, but regardless of the power the swing generates, the club is delofted, and the face is hooded at address and impact. So the ball will come out at a lower trajectory. Thats like turning a 9 iron into a 8 iron.

Also without wrist hinge, how are you able to work the ball?

[scoremore05]

Not really @sharper911.

My ball flight is lower because the ball is way back in my stance and I want that for distance control.

There are plenty of ways to add loft. The easiest would be to move the ball foward and that will yield a regular ball flight with a higher trajectory

The downside of moving your ball forward is that it is more difficult to get your clubhead on the golf ball before your wrists release and our engineering goal was to provide a Simple Repeatable and Powerful move

[sandersuperfollador]

man . . . seriously take off golf , this swing has no power , no cock wrist and 0 leverage , this guy must hit the 9 iron 80 yards

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @sandersuperfollador.

You're correct that I'm not hinging but incorrect on the others.

This moves actually leverages a golf shaft tremendously and more importantly, at the proper time.

You don't need to swing with "fast hands through impact" to leverage a golf shaft.

It's like hitting your buddy with a plastic ruler. You can swing fast and hit him on the shoulder or you can walk up to him, bend the ruler back and sting him.

That's tremendous leverage and power.

[sandersuperfollador]

@scoremore05 which players are using the taly swing on the pga tour?

[Wizzitini]

I agree, watching this swing, you have taken away all the fundamentals of the swing, rotation, hip turn, a wrist cock and most of all club head speed......on every shot u need to be accelerating, you are starting and swinging the club to 8 o clock from a static postion, the only way you are generating power is with that ugly shirt.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @Wizzitini.

Ball speed is more important than clubhead speed as golfers have plenty of it. They just lose it on the downswing and have poor ball contact so very little gets transferred.

You don't need to swing with "fast hands through impact" to leverage a golf shaft.

It's like hitting your buddy with a plastic ruler. You can swing fast and hit him on the shoulder or you can walk up to him, bend the ruler back and sting him. One is easier and very powerful.

[cordes4444]

@sandersuperfollador i concure

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting.

[moehogan1]

Flippin' biscuits.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @moehogan1.

Flipping is not possible because I have immobilized my left wrist.

What you are commenting on is mainly a function of camera angle.

[theRAMowns]

That is an impressive swing no doubt. I completely agree it takes out so many variables of your golf swing when you don't hinge your wrists, which could make it easier to be consistent.

I did notice there is no forward shaft lean at impact, which is something that generates spin and better ball compression. To each his own though.

[scoremore05]

Excellent points @theRAMowns.

The only thing I will add is that I adjust how much forward shaft lean I have dependent upon the shot and trajectory required. And I also firm up my left wrist so that it can't flip. Especially on these short half shots where the movement is very slow  and the ball is only traveling 40-50 yards.

The key for golfers to avoid will be any backward shaft lean.

[crussi]

could you explain why the ball is so far back in the stance?

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting @crussi.

For golfers who don't play alot, putting their golf ball in the back of their stance will help a ton.

1. It eliminates weight shift errors,

2. It ensures a descending blow and improves power and contact, and

3. It reduces casting and flipping because golfers make contact with their golf ball earlier.

I play all my clubs back there except driver.

I get a slightly lower ball flight and just move it up if I need a higher ball flight for a shot.

[TheBusiness55]

Pfft - the wrists are hinged fully at 0.17

[scoremore05]

Incorrect. The wrists haven't hinged at all.

What you are looking at is the club shaft flexing and moving away from the red ball on the TALY MIND Set. But that's not my wrist hinging.

I am holding the left wrist joint rigid and not allowing it to hinge.

If I hinge my wrists, at 0:17 secs my golf shaft would move to behind my head.

Thanks for posting and try it out on the range sometime if you get a chance.

[TheBusiness55]

@scoremore05

Ok - when I say fully, I mean as fully as they are going to be.

Your wrist hinges, mate, they don't have to hinge behind your head.

What you are suggesting is totally incompatible with human kinesiology.

Try and scratch the back of your right ear with your right thumbnail and you will see the direction your hand takes. The shaft is flexing because you are loading it up as you get to the top by pronating. This has nothing to do with your swing aid.

[scoremore05]

I disagree.

1) I can easily tough my ear without hinging, I simply allow my left elbow to bend.

2) And more correctly, what you are referring to still does not require hinging because we are referring to an illusion.

The left wrist can appear behind the right ear simply due to camera angle and moving your left arm around you. All without hinging.

3) The red ball has a ton do with it as my only focus is to move the red ball on an arc and secondly, it allows you to see the angle.

[sandersuperfollador]

useless video , if you want to hit the ball farther and more solidly you MUST CREATE LAG , EXTENSION , AND STRONG LEGS TO HAVE A GOOD BASE

simply as that

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting sandersuperfollador.

Care to explain why you feel it's useless?

It appears to show a simple move which has lag, extension, and a great base with the legs.

[dettigs]

i've been working on my swing quite a bit and recently took my hands out of the golf swing with huge success. what can be more important in a golf swing than a square face at impact? hinging, wrist movement, over active hands, how ever you want to describe it is a killer. i've been spending hours and hours trying to make adjustments to my swing ( i have a strong grip - used to have very active hands ) when i just needed to eliminate hands. now more dependable ball flight, very few mis-hits

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting dettigs. Excellent information.

[tigerswede3]

After studying the Taly swing, the physics of it are sound. I am currently using the Taly swing, and have actually GAINED distance. I used to play a huge sweeping draw that was unreliable at best. I used to hinge and unhinge my wrists, but not anymore. I just keep the same angle I had at address, which is a no brainer. In slow motion, my new Taly swing is violently flexing my S shaft, which is where most power is stored. I'm also a single digit handicap, and studied the swing all my life.

[scoremore05]

Great post tigerswede3.

I believe that others will benefit from you having put it into your own words.

[tkdkev05]

That is a very nice chipping and pitching aid.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting tkdkev05.

What's that building in your video that you are driving past?

[michaeljames92]

thats great if you dont want to hit the ball anywhere. there is no lag whatsoever. people say steve stricker doesn't have wrist hinge when look at his lag before impact. all of your released products are such crap. people who have no idea trying to make a buck

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting michaeljames92.

I am not sure if I should address your "lag" comment first or your thoughts on our products being "crap".

Firstly, the tool is a reference point that allows golfers to see what is really going on in their swing and what angles are being maintained.

It's because of this tool that you are able to make your comment that "I have no lag".

Secondly, does "having lag" and "wrist hinge" mean the same thing to you or are they different?

[michaeljames92]

They are different. yet similar. lag is angle between forearm and shaft into impact whereas the wrist hinging is obviously the wrist sort of cocking. players like bubba watson have a very late wrist hinge in the backswing which provides him with more lag on the downswing. perhaps crap wasn't fair, but i think people saying that they should not try to hinge their wrist is a bad thing for their swing

[scoremore05]

You make good points and if we use your definition of lag then I understand.

I am going to add that I think there is a more important type of lag: clubhead lag or shaft flex.

i.e. how much has your shaft deflected due to your movement. Are you stressing your shaft and making it bend from it's original position.

That to me is the lag that counts and ensures power. Not hinging.

Please remember that our engineering co. goal was to produce a powerful swing with the fewest moving parts.

[scoremore05]

99.9% of golfers add a wrist hinge/unhinge to their swing and it's not only unnecessary, but a huge power drain UNLESS YOU HAVE MAINTAINED THE UNDERLYING SHAFT FLEX i.e. LAG.

Golfers need to "maintain shaft flex" into impact first before they worry about hinging.

Unhinging can add power but it brings in so many other errors that it usually does not. And at 80-100 mph, it's unrepeatable.

J.B. Holmes, one of the longest on Tour, doesn't hinge but he generates tremendous lag and power.

[scoremore05]

With the no-hinge swing shown above, what really matters is the clubshaft relative to the red ball on the TALY Tool.

Notice that on the downswing, the shaft bends slightly away from the red ball. That's power and lag!

It's like stinging someone with a plastic ruler by bending it backwards.

I can add a hinge to this move but why. At the end of the day, the goal of me hinging would be to simply get my shaft to lag or bend even more.

I can do that by simply moving firmer into impact.

[secretogolf]

@scoremore05 Also keeping the lead arm connected to the upper torso is a large factor in making a shorter swing work for distance and accuracy

[scoremore05]

Thanks for sharing secretogolf.

[youthbus]

@scoremore05 very nice demonstration. But this is not necessarily called a powerful swing. Yes, you can create lag but by hinging you can create lag to a greater extent much more than unhinge golf swing. But by hinging there would be more difficulties on impact which can create loss of distance and inaccuracy. But this is not necessarily a power but with enough strength I could see people who less skilled using this swing. But like I said not power swing, look at Jamie Sadlowski.

[scoremore05]

Good points youthbus.

As you know, the goal of this move was to provide a simplified move with the fewest moving parts as possible.

I agree that there are many other ways to add additional power but that can also complicate a swing. Either way, this is a great base move for golfers to either play with or build from.

[secretogolf]

@scoremore05 Well said this is the basis from where people should learn to swing,chip and putt.If you keep the wrist in proper positon and firm the distance doesn't change from when you add30 degrees of wrist cock.I have tried thid out as a 5 handicap and can hit any iron the same once both arm are at 90 degrees.

[duncanmckibbin]

Discovered these videos recently, and tried the push/pull swing at my club's practice fairway. Seemed a success and maybe my answer! What though is the difference between push/pull and no arms swing please?

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting.

In both moves, we eliminate wrist hinging, and squaring into impact with wrists/forearms, but the main difference is how we power the TALY Triangle (visit the Taly site for info on triangle).

Please note that in this video, we are doing the vertical arm drop move and not the two you mentioned.

Anyway, in the PullPush move, we keep a rigid left wrist and just pull and push with the right hand.

In the no arm swing move we hold both arms rigid, and then only turn.

[duncanmckibbin]

Thank you. You have covered this on the pull/push video. There I explained having had a stroke and if swing speed is not the be all and end all of distance, then I might be on the right track.

[bigeddielad]

looks really good lol

[agbeck121]

who's this number two golfer in the world you're mentioning and if anything shouldnt you be trying to be the best, not second best?

[mattisagolfer]

ahh, o.k, now i understand

[scoremore05]

Thanks for the critique.  You make very good points.

[mattisagolfer]

......we could sit here all night and split hairs scoremore05, i'm just unsure what you're promoting here, clarify if you would please! I've read some of your other post on youtube in an attempt to see what you are promoting, is this device tailored for high handicappers or something?

[scoremore05]

It's used by all levels.

From the high handicappers to the pros on the PGA Tour.

[mattisagolfer]

.......and i haven't even said anything about your casting of the club, virtually no hip turn and little if any spine tilt, you wanna promote your product than by all means knock yourself out and go get em, i can appreciate any entrepreneur, but from a golfing background stand point of view, i don't know what you're trying to promote here!

[scoremore05]

The TALY MIND Set golf tool with the red ball is simply a reference point to allow golfers to see the geometry in their swing.

It's also very useful here as I'm not swinging my clubhead. I'm moving the red ball back and through and it is pulling my golf swing through to impact.

That also helps golfers not flip.

I understand that you may not agree with my mechanics but lag and flexing my golf shaft are how I generate power. After that, I only care about forearm position for this move.

[scoremore05]

This is a simplified move that golfers can actually transfer to the course and improve their scoring, and does not focus on all the other moving parts or positions.

However our bodies wish to accomplish this move will be fine and it will be different for everyone.

[secrettogolf]

@scoremore05 Love the options your putting out there.Regarding the "No Hinge," how are you getting to impact?Are you pushing the right arm to the ball like a Hitter in TGM?Also is the lateral move/hip turn,happening a result of the arm pushing or happenng before?

Thanks

[scoremore05]

@secrettogolf Thanks for posting.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the 3 simplified moves we recommend, but I would say that our PullPush move has more of a TGM "hitting" approach.

However, we pull way inside to start so it won't fully match TGM.

I really like TGM and as I learn more about it, the main difference is that our goals were different.

Our engineering co. looked to simplify the swing to the fewest moving parts.

So we don't try to change natural movements much.

[scoremore05]

@scoremore05 Back to your question.

In this move I don't feel anything "right handed".  Both hands move very FIRMLY and TOGETHER and all I am doing is moving them on a circular arc and not allowing my forearm or wrists to turn over to square the clubface.

The lateral move/hip turn is whatever a golfer does naturally.

In this move, called the Vertical Arm Drop approach, all we are doing is tracking the red ball back along our toe line, and then back down to our toe line into impact.

[mattisagolfer]

scoremore05, you start your swing with an extreme forward press but upon return to the ball your hands should be slightly ahead of your clubhead, your hands are right on top of the clubhead and then the clubhead outraces your hands post impact, your hands should be on top or close to your left leg at impact, your hands are next to your right leg indicating an early release and lose of power source, im confused what your trying to promote here?

[scoremore05]

I understand what you are saying but I don't believe this video angle is showing what you are saying.

1) My left wrist is rigid. It can't flip.

2) I don't have "an extreme forward press". I have the ball in the back of my stance and my left forearm is turned to the right which opens up my clubface.

3) Into impact, there is no flipping. What you are seeing is my left forearm slightly turning back to the left which gives the appearance that a flip almost occurred.

Hope this helps

[mattisagolfer]

nice de-loft and flip at impact, exactly where you dont want to be at impact, U want proof, just youtube any tour player using bizhub slow motion and see if any of them do this, you wont find a one!

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting mattisagolfer but don't believe everything you see on camera.

Camera angles can be very misleading and in this video there is no flip at impact because my left wrist is being held rigid through impact.

Almost detecting flipping, is not flipping and if I had a loose wrist, maybe you would detect more.

But I don't that is one of the main reasons that I would recommend firming up the left wrist and continuing to move through impact.

[ej0002]

I don't think this is what Stricker does at all. He does avoid the hinge on the way back, but he does create some lag on the way down. I think this might be a recipe for the chili dips.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting ej0002.

My demonstration won't be perfect as I'm not a professional and my main point here is to show that you can hit great golf shots without hinging.

With regards to lag, we may have a differing opinion because I do not call lagging your clubhead using hinging, the same as creating lag.

You may agree that when you hinge your wrists you are just changing your clubhead position relative to your hands, and not necessarily bending or lagging your shaft.

[scoremore05]

IMO, lag is created once the shaft starts to bend backwards or flex due to our motion.

[Prov1989]

Wow, Terrible

[scoremore05]

Now in this move, I won't disagree with you. I am swinging my arms albeit very slow and controlled.

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting.

[secrettogolf]

Also could you finish The Johnny Miller Quote?

TY

[scoremore05]

Just click "more info" and it will finish the quote.

[secrettogolf]

Sorry to bug you but I have one more question.Would you adjust the angle of the downswing to get more height?I am trouble visualizing getting good height with a long iron from this ball position.One more,is this the way golfers use to hit the ball back pre-WW1.Sorry 3rd question,have you used this swing with an open club face at impact?

Thanks Again Great Posts

[secrettogolf]

Does moving the ball back make the need for a hip turn unnesessary ?Will you get the same distance.If not, about what percent is lost ?

Thanks

G

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting secrettogolf.

No, hip turn is still necessary, however, you will definitely get more power and distance by putting the ball in the back of your stance (see earlier post below).

I don't have a percentage for you but it's the difference between flinging weakly into the golf ball or coming into it firmly and improving your smash factor.

Most golfers cannot get back down to a golf ball which is in the front of their stance without releasing way too early.

[JLTRAIN233]

Even without the mind-set, is your swing still the same?

[scoremore05]

Great point JLTRAIN233.

I should post one without the TALY MIND Set on.

The important thing to note is that the MIND Set lets you see what I am thinking during my swing.

In my thoughts I am moving the red ball on a specific path, and I am making sure that the angle between the red ball and my golf shaft does not change.

This is called "maintaining your TALY Triangle".

[wngjapyng]

so does the ball have to be in the back foot of the stance?

[scoremore05]

Thanks for posting wngjapyng.

Yes. I believe that any golfer who does not shoot in the low 70s should KEEP THE BALL IN THE BACK OF THEIR STANCE FOR ALL CLUBS except their driver.

The further forward the ball is in your stance:

1) the more power you are going to lose before you make contact.

2) the more over-the-top as well as closed your clubface will be, and

3) the more weight shift you will require to get back to the golf ball.

[Tulsagolfomatic]

reminds me of Steve Stricker as you point out, and does seem to simplify the swing.