The Seduction of Christianity Part 2 - Self

[paisleyyama]

Good video.

[MrMerkOfficialPage]

When people speak about the Self they do not know what they are refering to. When the enlightened one speaks about the Self he speaks about the subtle essense that exists in all things. This is the Spirit of God. When you crack open a see of a plant. that which you do not see and that which you see is the spirit of God. That is the Self. This is why we must love our brothers as we love ourselves. I am not a specialist on Christianity or any other religion but I know what we mean when we say Self

[zatoichiable]

I dont know how the Jews managed to convince the Christian to hate Muslims while they themselves didnt believed in Christ and not only that, persuade the Romans to crucified him and lay the guilt on the gentiles while they were the ones who really wanted it. That is so clever and cunning of them. They also managed to put guilty complex on all mankind throught continous holocaust stories.

[quemacha]

@zatoichiable

Israel is surrounded by 50+ Muslim nations which produce nothing of necessity to mankind except for oil, and they still haven't been able to destroy her in 64 years. Either the Israelis are massively superior, or God is protecting them. Either way, anti-semites are losers.

[zatoichiable]

@quemacha Definitely they are superior because the control the world. I mean no disrespect to Jews i am talking about secular Zionism who are not biblically Jew. Anti semites includes Arabs. Why is it when we talk about anti-semites we only refer to Jews? Or the holocaust when many died in it. Zionism capitalise on tragic events, race and religiosity. If you are an american try to talk against them and you will see what will happen to you. So you are right you are also amog the losers.

[RudeAwakning]

suicide is selfishness too! so how do we ultimately deny self?

[MsRld123]

Beautiful expose. All of these self teachings from psychology and scientific are being taught now by TV evangelists. Same old lies, new day. Tactics to lead us away from God and onto ourselves.

[secondbible]

christianity is a slave-master system like the gorean slave-master system, it's about 'daughters of men' bowing down for the 'sons of god', the nephilim, which are fallen angels incarnating as 'men of power' - genesis 6. the bible is a fallen book, exposing itself.for example the 666 satan thing can be traced back to the throne of solomon in the old testament and his yearly goldharvest, this number was already in the OT, and solomon's wealth is what tele-evangelists use as excuse to rob the poor

[netelsg]

"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High - Psalm 82:6

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?

[netelsg]

Matt 6:33 "But seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

Have anyone found your K.O.G. yet?

Where is it ?

[netelsg]

Philippians 2-12

Therefore, my dear friends, ...continue to work out your salvation ...



Everyone must work out his own salvation.

[netelsg]

Therefore, Jesus your Lord say in James 2:17-26. Faith without work is dead and useless.

[NeoOneOrg]

People get the physics of perception misconstrued due to the inability to understand the relationship, many people use words they dont understand

[atessmann]

The point is to know where is God now. We are temples of God. Christ in us. So what the self is and what ego is. Maybe what are you talking is about the ego and not self.

[Mekelsior]

God is in the Most Holy in the heavenly temple, but at the same time His presence is near us if we are near to Him. If Christ is in us it is as the Bible states, impossible for us to sin.Our sinful nature must die by our faith in Christ that He is victorious over sin. If He lives in us then our lives will reflect this. Our nature on the other hand is against God and thus God must change us, we can only agree to this by accepting Christ every day as both Lord and Savior.

[atessmann]

Exactly, that's why if you tell that the truth is in you but you hate your brother - including atheists and pagans - it means the truth is not in you and you are a liar. I see too much hate in the christian world today and not love.

[Mekelsior]

You are correct, given our natures however it is easy to hate. This is why we must die to self all the time and to be humble. The world today refuse to follow Christ, but is not our task to bring judgment over them. God said "If you love Me, keep my commandments". The question is about love and about nothing else. If I love you with the right form of love I would not do anything to hurt you if I can avoid it, but I would correct you if I see you are walking the wrong path.

[tadomega]

Dave Hunt is one of the best authorities in apologetics and occult discernment. I loved watching his programs especially dealing with Yoga which is very coherent and accurate.

[Mekelsior]

Dave Hunt does have a lot of knowledge, but we must as Christians always pursue the Truth wherever it may lead us. Babylon has fallen the Bible declares, it is time for the Christians that were captive to depart from every doctrine that were embraced by their captives. The two major doctrines that are prevailing is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul and Sunday observance. Neither are taught in Scripture.

[kigawman]

To all sincere Christians. May we please pray for God's Mercy into this dark and sobering times.

The world is drastically changing and I do believe (If Youtube plans to shut me down, let it be so!) we are now at the last of the last days. Let us take heart of what Our Lord has said "8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8)

[Mekelsior]

We are closer now Kigawman than we were when you posted your post, yet the world is moving more and more away from God, yet believing they are following His commandments. The EU constitution that was signed in Rome under the statue of the Pope contain Sunday Blue Laws begging the people to obey the Law of their "god" yet Jesus called for Sabbath observance the 7th day. It is not an issue over a day, true but about our love for Jesus over the love for a man wearing a miter.

[PEDROCLASSIC]

when was this recorded anyone know. i assumed maybe around the mid 80s. both tom and dave still look healthy here. i pray that they may still continue to CONTEND FOR THE FAITH and expose the truth

[Mekelsior]

If only they would come to all truth, and accept it. We must never harden our hearts and stick with traditions we hold dear just out of convenience.

[dayofwrath1]

The message of the cross is nonsense to those who are being destroyed,but it is God power to us who are being saved.The "power of now" is not from Oprah and Eckhart Tolle,but from God.The power is the cross and "now" is the word that the church emphasizes on it:The Holy past is present "now" with power.Let Oprah and Eckhart Tolle if they dare,to speak on TV about the real "power of now" of the cross in the book the coin of the temple.

dayofwrath1

[PEDROCLASSIC]

Same here. i love to watch these two brothers preach the gospel, the word of GOD. they really have a good discernment upon the scripture specially dave. Thank you my LORD JESUS for forgiving me. you have revealed your word in my heart....GOD BLESS DAVE AND TOM

[kigawman]

After more than a year of watching this 30 minute video, going back from it still convicts me and reminds me that I am a sinner in darkness. And the very root cause of sin is pride. And pride equates to one word, "SELF". I thank God for the discernment of Dave and T.A.. After 20 plus years of this documentary, the issue discussed here is now the centre stage of defining History. The New Age, Atheism, Philosophy, post-modernism all stem from one lie and that is through man's autonomy!!

[kigawman]

it is interesting for me that the issue of SELF was brought up by Del Tackett from the video series The Truth Project. He discussed this issue of SELF in Anthropology, What is Man? and Del spoke of the 'Pernicious Lie' foisted upon man. It's so sad that we have adopted this "Me" generation from the perversion of the likes of Maslow, Jung, Rogers, Nietzsche, Blavatsky, and other cast of characters from the last 200+ years.

[kigawman]

How Ironic for all of us humans that we have adopted so much lies from these people, thinking we have the infinite human potential and the capability to become as Satan says "gods, knowing good and evil". And look at what the crowning achievement of Man from 19th century till today: The perversion of God's Truth by bringing false religions; Political Disagreements and Dictatorships that costed wars and millions of lives; discrimination from all forms by race, class and gender;

[kigawman]

the media, art, science, law, labor, education and other man made achievements became the absolute standard of morality and ethics. This in turn gave rise to such exemplary lies like evolution, pop-culture, gossip, etc... these are the things that Man looked upon 'himself' proclaiming "glory to man in the highest" and "God is dead". Our own self deification has led to our downfall and demise. No wonder God will destroy this earth and make a new one;

[kigawman]

Our society of Me generation has harbored more crime, more division among families, more sexual infinidelity and more torned lives.

WOE UNTO MAN AND ALL IT'S ERRORS!!

And despite of it all, God is so rich in love and so merciful, saw the desperation and fall of man, gave the greatest rescue effort that man has neglected to take. God solution to the problem is through His Son, to be born from this earth, live without sin and to die and pay for the crimes of humanity.

[1zaka]

Jeremiah 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

[Mekelsior]

It is interesting that you mention Blavatsky, she was the origin of the theosophy society and the mystery cults. She coined the beginning of luciferianism in its modern shade, later she was followed by ladies such as Alice A Bailies. I believe many of the front figures of the woman movement were also deep into the occult. To follow this hidden story is sure to put a white face on many sceptics. Luciferianism is the worship of self, being filled with the spirit of lucifer aka the devil.

[kigawman]

It is also interesting to find that all of the secular and humanistic movements stemming from the New Age to the New Atheists come from the root foundations of earlier eras. I find that some of the pre-feminists in the 18th and 19th century had some inspiration from romanticists who perverted scripture to produce such damnable heresies! Sadly, these people also came from the roots of the Enlightenment and going back deeper to the garden of Eden!

[atessmann]

I would say is the worship of the perceived-self and not the real-self. I would say that the real-self is the image of God in us. Jesus was the image of God and His spirit live in us now, so it is not wrong to look inside. When I look inside of me I see Christ. If our reflection to the external world are not the fruits of the spirit, then you can say that your self is still yours and not transformed by the spirit of Christ. What we need is the transformation of the self, not worship.

[Mekelsior]

The biggest lie is that we can do anything on our own salvation. The core doctrine in new age, pagan religions and luciferianism is the doctrine of the immortal soul. There could be no more idolatry of the self to believe that we can become gods or that we are gods, this is the lie the devil told Eve in the garden. History dictates likewise, that many good men and women were murdered by the church for believing in Salvation trough Grace alone. And then there is the issue of the Law of God....

[atessmann]

Yes the soul is not immortal, but I think it can became immortal when we are born again in the spirit. Upon which foundation our celestial body will be constructed? Our memories, and the people we know. Where all these things are recorded?

[Mekelsior]

We don't know everything that is going to happen with us, the faithful, just that God will impart on us immortality. How God does this is a mystery. To be born again is not some magical moment that you can look back at, it is an ongoing process that happens when you give your life to Christ day by day, step by step and moment by moment. God Is, so He knows everything, He gave us the basic instructions before leaving earth, the Bible. Study it prayerfully. :)

[atessmann]

He gave us the spirit of truth, to guide us into all truth. Some words spoken by the spirit of truth are in the bible, but not the whole truth about everything. With the testimony of the bible, we are able to know the way. So the truth is a spirit and should be know as experience with God, and not with knowledge of this world. What we know as this world is just sensorial perceptions and science is the analisys of the illusion of our perception. So only God, alone, is truth. :-)

[Mekelsior]

It is true that the Bible does not speak about everything, it is but a book that contain some of all knowledge. Yet what it speaks is true for it speaks about Truth, Jesus. The way, the Life and the Truth. If we have Jesus in our lives we will be guided by Truth and the Truth shall set us free. Free from what? From the deceptions that are in this world, the fear of the afterlife, the immortality of the soul the belief that God is evil.

I think you have thought this trough, I like that. :)

[atessmann]

What is nice about Jesus is that He is the personification of the Truth. The Truth does not exists in this world that we see. Truth is not a thing you can prove, it is something you can experience and live. So a true life is a life lived in the true way, which is the way of grace, love and mercy preached by the Nazarene. Also death is not real for the ones which are born again, because spirit can never die. That's why you can know everything about science, but still miss the Truth.

[amlach1]

Can you but love this man, dave hunt? A good christian, god bless him. And may the Lord fill us with his holy spirit that we might please him in a manner we should. Amen, in Jesus name

[followhimorlose]

i know eh . he has a couple real cool quotes. i liked it when he said faith is not something that you get ahold and and run around talking to mountains or something like that that was great. and his talk about if you hated yourself you would be glad you were ugly. that is the most rational thing i have ever heard .

[LambyToe]

Why is the concept of god required for a selfless compassion & love for all of mankind? What if the guy who discovered the polio vaccine, for example, had been busy worrying about religion instead of medicine? I know that what I just said is a moot point. But wouldn't it be much more selfless to help creatures in the world now rather than selfishly ponder how we can score points with god? Isn't it more selfless to not care about our own afterlife/soul and help the sick, poor & hungry?

[SoonVerySoon]

LambyToe, Of course many people who aren't Christians can be kind, genrous, and compassionate. But this discussion is not about that, nor is it about how to "score points with God". Mr. Hunt is speaking to Christians about false doctrines and philosophies that have crept into the Church, and "Seduced Christianity" away from it's center...Christ. The doctrine of "Self Esteem" is one such teaching that is anti-biblical and seperates believers from focusing on what they should be focused on.

[littleredbirdy]

Curing polio does not cure ALL suffering, just one form.

Jesus is the only cure for all aliments.

[followhimorlose]

it really depends if that is whats motivating you most people arent thinking up cures to cure but for fame. if u were truely selfless about it medication would be far cheaper

[eqwel]

Brother. The most important thing is to believe in Christ. Life and death in this world is of no consequence to the doctrine of life in Jesus. If all would die of polio and are righteous in the Lord, then the above are not dead. Yet on the other hand if all are saved from all diseases and live their life unrighteous then that defeats the whole purpose of living. Life and death are in God's hands. Selflessness must be in Jesus regardless what one does in his life.

[5000sg]

I have a kinda question? Befor I knew Christ did I need to love myself enough to see that God loved me and I was in need of a savior. Even though we come as we are and he helps us to learn real love and ecceptances of not just our self but others also ???? or somthing like this ???

[SoonVerySoon]

We are naturally already totally aware of our own selves right from the get go. We quickly learn what we like, what we want, what makes us happy, or sad, etc. Humans are proficient at self. The concept of "love myself" is a 20th century term that has worked it's way up out of the hedonism of the 50's and 60's and polutes this world like a cancer. We have NO problem loving ourselves, inspite of what psychology and Dr. Phil and Oprah claim. It is the Holy Spirit Who convicts of sin, when...

[SoonVerySoon]

part 2

...we recognize our sinful state, and need of a savior, that is when our view can change. A Christian is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and as we walk out our salvation in this world, and grow in Christ (mature) our SELF should diminish and be replaced by more of Christ, and His love for people.

[mayombe2001]

What about the verse about loving your neighbor as your Self? We are apparently being told to love our Self...

[kigawman]

Haven't you've understood what Jesus is saying? What does he mean "love thy neighbour as thyself"? Well, it means that if already love your neighbour, you already love yourself. That's why Jesus says "as thyself" meaning "like yourself." It's not the other way around, which is before you love your neighbour, you MUST love yourself first. Think about what Joy it is will bring you to help other rather than thinking of Yourself. God Bless.

[mayombe2001]

or it could mean that there is only one all inclusive Self...so that when we love our neighbor we are loving our Self as there is no difference essentially between subject and object.

[SoonVerySoon]

Did you actually listen to this man? He is saying essentially that humans don't need lessons on loving themselves. I comes naturally. And such self love has spawned a couple of generations of folks totally dedicated to self improvement, self esteem, self promotion. SELF is everywhere in today's society. Hedonism rules the world scene. ~ Jesus said, "Love your neighbor, as you love yourself." Love the neighbor, like you love yourself ALREADY.

[eqwel]

Love your neighbor as yourself in the confine of giving yourself into the hands of the Lord.One is given to love himself as a gift from the Lord. But if you love yourself for the sake of yourself then one is in opposition to the Lord. Can one love oneself and in the same time give this self into the hands of the Lord? Indeed. If one loves himself and one is righteous then one will die to save another for the sake of the Lord. There is much more to say in this subject. God Bless

[mayreal13]

wow, i have really fallen for this "self" stuff. thank jesus for you berean and this man these men that are speaking. I am getting back to jesus and faith in him. and i am going to deny myself that is the will of god so i know he can do this work in me.

[dazeycutr]

Dave hunt is the greatest speaker of our time

[NumberoneAries]

Interesting. It definetly gives me food for thought. It allows me the opprotunity to afford myself the time to take a good look at myself and how I view God, Faith, The Bible and the current trend of Mega Churches. Yes if it is God's will I belive many christians will be changed by this video.

[wewillflysomeday]

Dave Hunt - One of the most brilliant minds in the world ! God Bless You !

[alex9nanc]

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[alex9nanc]

Dave is the most balanced, grounded ,Wise,intelligent, informed, spirit-led, interesting, solid, mentally quick accurate, detailed, well-schooled, fearless, faithful, sensiable, Biblical Truth, evangelistic, Christians left in this mud sliden world. He is heavily being used for his God given gifts to serve in these last days as it was PLANNED for him to do. We are very short on these last generation of the great ones. in my estimation., God saved the best for Last! (days).

[evanderchaq]

thank god spirit filled Christians like Dave hunt are hear, every christian that sees seduction of Christianity must tell every other believer they know, the bible has been twisted in to a pretzel by false ministers and we need messages like this to reach every person possible ,please let every believer do his or her work time is running out, understand what Dave hunt is describing is happening now in our churches all over the world, i am from Australia and its hear

[SoonVerySoon]

Part 3

Reading the Seduction of Christianity changed my life. It opened my eyes to subtle false teachings that had crept into Evangelical churches, which had left me perplexed and confused about my faith.

These two videos are discussions of major topics in the book, which I highly recommend for every true believer in Christ.

[SoonVerySoon]

Part 2

Instead, it will come as the latest "fashionable philosophies" offering to make us happier, healthier, better educated, even more spiritual. A compelling look at the times we live in. A clear call to every believer to choose between the Original and the counterfeit. Only then can we hope to escape the seduction of Christianity.

[SoonVerySoon]

Part 1

The Bible clearly states that a great Apostasy must occur before Christ's Second Coming. Today Christians are being deceived by a new world view more subtle and more seductive than anything the world has ever experienced. THE SEDUCTION OF CHRISTIANITY will not appear as a frontal assault or oppression of our religious beliefs.