Jacque Fresco Lecture at COP Kreativ Part 2

[silversurfers7]

...Sadly, nothing has come out of Jacque's ideas, NOBODY has helped him. He’s just a man of the future that failed to change our times. He's brilliant, and a sad story ending. If there were more "Jacque's in this dying world, we would stand a chance, but it's gone that chance now :O(

[byteusa]

I can't believe you dumb fucks want this. Throw away freedom, live in that stupid bee-hive.

[Ramiromasters]

@byteusa So being wage slave, sounds good to you? I always tough it was shitty that people would forever have to pay house taxes, car insurance, now health insurance, and 20% of their salary for the rest of their natural life. While rich people that have 1M dollars compound their money and make abut 50K a year, more if you have more money... no need for work. Its cruel to fool less gifted people tho think they are free... while chaining them with money. Think about that when you go to work.

[karakzanreal]

@byteusa The only freedom you would give up is the freedom to not think about what you are doing to the planet and your fellow human beings. I have never seen the point in having the freedom to do that and no thinking human would. Freedom has nothing to do with materialism and everything to do with free thought and freedom of expression. You have a right to say ignorant things but not to act upon them. That should be self evident and I hope it will be in the near future.

[selvmordspilot]

@byteusa : how is this throwing away freedom? No obligations to work, free services and products, no hierachy of power between people. Sounds pretty fucking free to me. Much more so that the current wage slavery you probably adore.

[AoEnigMoonxPhase]

Sign the Venus Project Petition !!!!!!!!!!!!1

[AceBryanCentral]

Wow, 5/5!!!

They were busy making the models, 3D animations, and drawings.

As for reality...

well, I will grow the cabbages!

[ragesse]

Technology put to good use!!!

[thejerseystoner]

The difference is....will you allow to have technology for convenience? or dependence.

Most of the western world depends WAY TO MUCH on certain convenient inventions but they shouldnt be required to live....its that simple.

[swtheforgotten]

Do we not depend on convenience? Would you rather hunt (and be subject to being hunted), or go to a facility to get your food?

To survive comfortable, you depend on the technology that makes your life better. One and the same.

I can use a wooden ruler for measuring, but I'd much rather use a laser. More accuracy develops better solutions, and offers answers that I cannot get with just a ruler.

So I depend on technology to give me the convenience of more accuracy.

[cortezforever]

I don't like the designs, but possibly a great idea.

[VvidEye]

wow...how to make life completely sterile and lifeless...

[lebalonrouge]

millions of people live in a world of complete misery and this is the only way everybody will have housing, clean water, nutrition, medical assistance and p e a c e. Please try to understand what the reality for a huge percentage of the WORLD population is. I am happy to explain and discuss anything that you are uncertain about.

[VvidEye]

The only way? This sounds a lot like the christianity movement.

The overall intent is good but is selfish and based on very limited knowledge of technology and our WORLD. The problems of today are a result of greed, ignorance, and lack of good education/leaders.

[lebalonrouge]

i'm finding it difficult to understand how you feel about the ideas presented by the venus project... it's muddled in some ways.. the goal is to provide for every human life using what we have availible earth must be the shared amongst all people that's the only way to avoid territorial disputes. We're all one race with one home world.. are you sure you fully understand what the venus project stands for and what their arguements are? all the best

[swtheforgotten]

No, it's all based on the Scientific Method, and every bit of technology spoken of is completely available right now, today. I think you don't know enough about current technology to make that statement, else you would not have made it at all. Greed, ignorance, lack of education and more ALL revolve around a broken Monetary Economic System that promote scarcity and division. Eradicate that, and all can prosper.

[VvidEye]

Personally I don't care to live inside a cold machine...And I'm positive there are a lot of people who would agree.

Hell, one could say technology is a result of greed and the scientific method. We don't need these things to survive. People are afraid to die and think it will somehow save them. But all is not lost, it will balance out.

[swtheforgotten]

VvidEye - Tesla developed a crap load of things, furthering technology significantly, and died broke. He's the true inventor of the radio, but was not a money grubbing profiteer. Einstein, Newton, and many other major scientists didn't become millionaires off their work. People used their work to become millionaires. Scientists and Engineers love the pursuit of knowledge and truth, natural truth, not fictionally developed 'truth'.

[swtheforgotten]

Yes, we do need technology to survive, to survive longer and live better. You don't need to be a genius to know that human life expectancy is twice as long now than just 100 yrs ago. Science made that possible. I refuse to revert back to caves.

[VvidEye]

@swtheforgotten I am willing to bet you, good sir, have never lived 1 day in a cave. You literally have no idea what it's like.

[swtheforgotten]

No need to bet. You are absolutely right. I have never lived in a cave, but nevertheless, logic and reason alone assures me that a mostly sealed and climate controlled environment is significantly better than anything a cave can provide. If you want your cave, have at you. I'd prefer my spacious and energy efficient dome-like structure. :)

[queenastilon]

VividEye, it is most certainly not based on very limited knowledge of technology!

I'll give you that most of our problems today come from greed, ignorance and lack of education... Jacqu Fresco thinks so too, by the way. And what exactly is selfish about wanting everyone in the world to live well, in comfort, and be well educated?

[mompitaRAFA]

ESTOY DE ACUERDO CONTIGO.

[BeyondDGrave]

@VvidEye

Much like today, your life is what you make it friend...

[swtheforgotten]

@VvidEye - Your comments are indicative of the current symptoms of the problem we have today. You've been conditioned to think that having completely unique and special places of living, even at the expense of efficiency, if the best method. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Certain methods and structures are scientifically better than others, period, regardless of how much you may like Victorian architecture, or Gothic structures. A change in thinking is required.

[VvidEye]

@swtheforgotten - Yes the scientific is method at the core as well... However the scientific method is uncovering quite a bit about ourselves and our reality that will permanently change the way we perceive. Everything is coming to a critical point and it's all inclusive.

I am not against the movement, I am against seeing people put in little compartments stacked on top of one another...the entire building is symbolic of the monetary system...There is plenty of room for everyone on floor1.

[swtheforgotten]

Jacque definitvely states many times that his models don't represent what will actually happen. People will design the city to be as "pretty and useful" as necessary. As for everyone living on the ground floor, that's retarded. You'd run out of usable land for farming and animal cultivation real fast if everyone took up a parcel of land. Hell, the whole world can't sustain that anyway. See the next post...

[swtheforgotten]

6 billion+ people even taking up just 1 acre a piece would consume 6 billion+ arces for living. 1 acre is roughly 4 square km. So now we're looking at 24 billion square km needed for this. Even if you averaged 4 people per plot of land, you're back to 6 billion square km. The entire known land area of the entire world (including Antarctica) is 148.9 million square km. And this includes coastlines, inland bodies of water, like lakes, rivers, etc.

[thejerseystoner]

so what....dont make stateents without making your own idea for a solution...would you rather everyone continue to starve/suffer/die in the sstem we currently "obey"

[kisev18]

@swtheforgotten

dude 1 acre = 0.00405 km2

u've ur figures wrong ;-)

[swtheforgotten]

You are absolutely right sir. I carried just three digits over, not six due to the square. I was going so fast I didn't even bother to check myself. Scientific sin #1. Given that, the numbers change to favor the idea, but then you have to ask: How much of that land is livable? And you must remove rivers and lakes also. A better analysis would have to be done, but I guess it would not bode well in the long run.

[swtheforgotten]

Not to mention all the land you'll need for livestock and farming.

[kisev18]

ah its cool man but humans dont need a sq arcre each to live on. I'd say this is entirely possible to house large populations in vertical cities (huge skyscrapers) with relatively small footprints. Yesterday, the burj khalifa skyscraper was opened...this is the tallest structure in the world-half a mile high. i am a structural engineer and i can tell you that the technology exists to build mile high skyscrapers.....however at that height atmostpheric conditions may affect humans comfort! :-)

[swtheforgotten]

I agree. In fact, quite a few people live in Condo's and apartment because they don't want to hassle with landscaping. Then again, we can have robots do the yard work too. Still, nice big buildings will work for a lot of people, and houses for the rest. Best thing is that since no one really owns their place, they can move to where ever they like.

[queenastilon]

swtheforgotten, you make many good points. I prefer the ground floor; living in a flat made me intensely unhappy as I often feel the need to step outside onto earth. But in this vision I'd be cured of my irrational needs? ;)

Someone (I'll have to look it up again) has calculated a unit to represent all the resources each person needs. By their reckoning only a small proportion of the world can live as we now do in USA and UK. Clearly this person should be in touch with the Venus Project.

[swtheforgotten]

I agree about ground floor. I personally prefer that too, but there are people who love the elevated view, so it's wise to cater to all, which this system nicely does. :) Stepping to the earth is not an irrational need. :) Thinking you need vast amounts of money to buy food that can be easily produced for the world for free is an irrational need. :)

I agree, and I wish I knew who this person was as well. Never heard of them, so I have no idea.

[queenastilon]

swtheforgotten, good point about old architecture. I think of the charming canals & cute houses in Amsterdam, where I lived for years, but they're not efficient or even all that pleasant to live in. Re the Netherlands, there is a futuristic house called the Schroeder House built on a town street, startlingly innovative, designed in 1924(!) by the divorced mother who owned it & a furniture maker who'd failed to get into the design college that was later renamed after him: Rietveld

[swtheforgotten]

Exactly. Technology eliminates old, inefficient ways. Caves to hut to old buildings to new designs. Evolution happens, biologically, economically, socially and more.

[bagiee1]

pishdad...if u think your ideas are workable GO to the "Venus Project", and give them your plan..they always looking for new workable ideas to expand... no need to fill our out here all the page with your busy minds blah-blah!!!

[pishdad]

The time it takes to get into space is totally dependent on how quickly we can get out of our current demise as a planet of nations each fighting for their own existence. This can take the next millenium or it can take 60 years!! Depends on just how soon the 'big break' will occur. When will the system fail so bad that the people revolt and completey overthrow the whole rotten system!

[pishdad]

My God. My vision would eliminate the need of all this bridge stuff!! We don't have the need for any of it! It's all much too cumbersome and awkward!! My vision would bring a much greater 1-1 level of life with nature than all the stuff in this video!! Although much better than what we have the version advocated herein the video is still way too archane and unecessary!! Too wasteful too!! We can have all the benefits of the above w/o all the byzantine structures and monoliths!

[dyenamic1]

That's great pishdad. You're just the type of forward thinker the Venus Project needs to succeed. Jacque's designs aren't necessarily what the future WILL look like. He's just trying to inform people what the future COULD look like. He's more than happy to step aside if someone has better ideas. The VP does not present a final solution. It represents a system of arriving at any solution that can improve our lives.

[pishdad]

Well, what is needed is some of both things. But I see mankind really 'going back to the woods' as it were!! Albeit in a more technologically equiped manner. In a sense we will have come around full circle- so far beyond, technologically, from the cave days that we can at some point enjoy the benefits of both worlds because cave days and modern days both have their advantages,etc. So we need to look at both worlds- eliminate the byzantine monoliths of today and bring back simplicity of cave days

[pishdad]

We have to think about mass extinction issues. If we're to survive into the next 5 or 10 millenia, with the great wondrous works of art- Michelangelo, Da Vince, etc. we need to have a plan for mass extinction problems which will definiltely hit us down the pike. Yellowstone is coming up soon, between now and next 30,000 years!! Most probabal next 1000 years!! The earth is rising there now- it's the biggest destructive form on earth since the event that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 mil years ago!!

[pishdad]

Anyway, cloting will play a huge role in mans survival over the course of the future! We need to have forms of energy to withstand 1000's of years of very little sun!!! Once we harness that energy. And once we are able to have protective clothing to whether the elements we have a fighting chance to survive well on earth and later the broader universe. We must be able to eliminate the earthly threats first, then space. Space will take a lot longer- 10,000 years or so....

[queenastilon]

pishdad, Yellowstone could blow any second but it's one of those things, like a plane dropping on your home (one did in Amsterdam), you can't do much about

You could build bunkers with good air filtration (volcanic ash forms cement in the lungs & kills you), to house people, hydroponics installations for growing food, waste processing & recycling plants, an Arc like area to preserve species, etc. Would have to be huge, & FAR distant from Yellowstone. And you better have it ready. Start now?

[pishdad]

Everyone will be able to live and shift into various 'recreation camps.' Everyone will live in recreation camps! We will have some buildings for purposes of technology, music, science, and such but that's it!! The rest of life will be just having fun and learning!! Period!

[pishdad]

The idea of buildings and structures like that are simply byzantine!! We don't need it!! It will be the 'Clothing Age.' Every man woman and child will be able to live anywhere out in nature comfortably just like other creatures! We will live just like bush tribes in Africa except have no starvation, or dangers. We will have plenty of technologies to keep us safe and progressive,etc! We will have the ability to see any point on earth at any time and we will have tons of recreation- Clothing!

[pishdad]

I wouldn't be focused on buildings in the future! By the time stuff gets to look like this we should be well beyond the need for buildings and such! We will have the ability to tele-transport. The revolution will be in clothing. We will have clothing which will allow us to sleep comfortably out under the stars even in the arctic!! We will have clothing which will also clean our bodies like showers!! We will be able to live in camps out in camp areas without buildings- just a nice big camp site!!

[omfganime1]

oh yeah also about the monorail fro inter city travel when the mag lev bullet train is much faster and can still be run completely by free reneweble power

[omfganime1]

for the canals what about cities in the central areas of large countries or in areas where not enough water is available for canals

[gavbag1234]

Ah shit, the first one was HD! What happened!?

[DavidPositiveThinky]

Hello Gavbag1234,

I am the video camera man who video recorded and edited this presentation. I used two video camera one up front which has HD quality and the other one far back which is not HD. I edited the video has quickly as possible trying to get the best sound and picture. The camera far back ended to have such a better angle than the HD one that I decided to mainly use it editing this quick version. However you can get the HD raw files if you want no problem just let me know :)

[FactualSolutions]

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