€79 a month kills any money i'd save on pertol...they should be wearing a mask and riding a horse, the robbing bar stewards. Why should we pay in case their battery is crap. i wont buy till they give up the monthly lease.
@sugelanren There is another way of looking at the monthly charge. You buy a Fluence now with a range of 130kms and two years for now the Fluence comes out with a 200kms range. Where does that leave yours with trade in values and the like?
With the monthly charge the battery will just be swapped for the better one at no extra charge.
@Smokerspack The range is advertised as 180km(ish). I live and commute in and around Dublin, there's no reason why i would want to drive more than 180km. We have two cars, with one for long distance and the fluence for the city commute a new battery would be of no use....now consider you own the car for 5 years...you would pay the guts of 5 grand for what? an extra 20km that they probably could've given us at launch?? and don't get me started on the coincidental price (diesel price +govt grant)
Hi guys, just so you EV fans know. Next week we are testing and filming the Fluence next week for a proper test, so if you have questions for the test post here and I'll answer them in the movie.
@Smokerspack A question I've pondered about for electric cars, especially now that it's starting to be very cold in the mornings and during the days. Since these electric cars have no engine powered by fiery explosions, how do they produce heat to warm up the inside of the car to make it less of a fridge? It should draw power from the batteries ... but how does that affect the number of miles you can run before yer battery is dead? I'm guessing heating air on batterypower is quite ... consuming
@filthyearthworm it knocks about 3-5 miles off, but there are various remote cabin heating systems and heated seats in some models...the first true gneration so expect better improvements
Taillights looks like the Subaru Impreza Hatchback, nearly identical infact. But what's with all the elecritc cars again? They have nowhere near the range or power of electric cars of the 90's/early 00's. I say - Don't buy into the hype, wait till they are drastically imrpoved in terms of performance and economy.
Other problems would be if you live in a narrow street and have no garage,where do you charge it?you cant have a cable running out your window across the pavement.plus there are power cut issues,imagine waking up to find your freezer defrosted and no working kettle plus your bloody car is dead.i could go on ,towing caravans etc but i won't.there will always be a great need for the good old combustion engine(and rightly so)just imagine the headlines if the electric ambulance or fire
if you think it will be cheap to run one of these just wait till the energy companies start wacking the Price of electricity up,they will be the new oil companies.then the government will tax it to the hilt to recoup lost revenue from a drop in petrol sales.they are like wind turbines,just another gimmick that doesnt really work as good as they want you to think it does.but people will buy em because they are "green".and "cheap" to run. I would wait a few years before buying into the hype as y
@dubbugs you may have a point there Dub, Renault have put one on the fleet for me to test over a week. I live 104kms from the pick up point (mostly motorway) so we'll see if it works on video. I wonder will I run out of fuel on the way home!
@dubbugs It takes a total of around 6~8KWH of electricity to make, refine and deliver your one gallon of fuel. So if everyone had an ev overnight there would need be no new power stations and the ones we have will be running more efficiently 24-7 due to charging overnight instead of running up and down times that power stations suffer.
There is also an EU law stating that electricity cannot be taxed for vehicle use.
The Gov't can default and go hang themselves on their foreign debts in my book
There is a diffrence, oil/coal/gass ect is an extremely expensive way of getting electricity compared to renewable. And economics 101 says that if supply drops, as with all non-renewables eventually does, prices rise. With wind turbine ect you konw the resource is there forever. So even if the cenario you describe plays out, the end cost for us consumers will get much much lower. But I don't think that scenario is what will happen at all. Continue....
The thing is; contrary to fossile/nuclear energy, renewables are very easy to get. In other words very hard to control. Already prices for PVs are so cheap that most families can afford it, and they are getting better and cheaper each year.
Did you know that over half of Germany's renewable energy are owned by citizens & farmers, NOT utility companies. Thats a HUGE shift in regards to empowering the people.
@oliver69cork Almost all of the car makers do an electric car now, it's only Renault that are really pushing for it as they have 4 cars. So there'll be lots more testing this year
for all the car makers..u ask yourself why ppl dount buy your electric cars???becouse u put elecrtic motors only on ugly and small cars..why u dount put electric motors on all the modles u have,the same how u chose a gazoline or a diesel motor,u need to have the possibility to chose an electric motor on the car model u want to buy,and up the autonomy on that cars.at least 400km ,u can do that..so do it
..and then ppl will buy the electric cars,..ps.sorry for my bad english ...
You could drive about twice as far with an EV1 of GM (1998) than with these "new" electric vehicles. Did battery technology go backwards in those 15 years !?!
@kwalliander GM never really pushed the car plus, they were on their own. The US at the time were very rich and wanted to show their wealth with big V8's and such. So there was no market for the EV1 and no market means no development.
Now they are all developing these cars we might see an increase in range over the coming couple of years
How about stating how long it tkes to charge up fully? Then i can work out if it is worth buying. It would need to be cheaper than my diesel turbo. I don't like the idea of leasing a battery, they must have known faults and renault are trying to make the owner insure against repairs! At least it is a true EV, unlike the Vauxhall Ampera/Chevrolet Volt that are built on a 1.4 astra body and have a direct mechanical connection from engine to gearbox like a prius. They are hybrids, this is an EV
@urbex2007 Good questions. Fast charging point = 80% in 30mins. 7-8 hours at home will get 100%.
If you're a high millage person EG over 10,000 miles per year then Diesel is still the best option. If you're mostly on motorways then it's Diesel again...But
If you make most of your journeys in city traffic or stop start type driving the EV's will be good for you.
@urbex2007 The Vauxhall uses electricity to drive the wheels exclusively. The petrol engine generates the electricty to charge the drive motors thus giving upto 175 miles per gallon.
too bad you have to be rich to stay enviromental friendly not only in automotion matters but also any "green poduct" you want to buy doubles the price of standar products.
@KStealed In Ireland the Renault ZE Fluence is going to the same price to buy as the Diesel version so you don't have to be rich to make these decisions
Europeans must be quite fed up with Americans in denial of AGW. What's the word on the street in Ireland regarding this problem, since Americans are the worst emitters of carbon per capita?
@hbpeinado Sorry about that, completely my fault. I had spent so much time getting all the info together and then had to do all the bit to camera in one take I completely forgot about getting interior shots. Looks just the same as a normal Fluence if that helps
€79 a month kills any money i'd save on pertol...they should be wearing a mask and riding a horse, the robbing bar stewards. Why should we pay in case their battery is crap. i wont buy till they give up the monthly lease.
sugelanren 2 weeks ago
@sugelanren There is another way of looking at the monthly charge. You buy a Fluence now with a range of 130kms and two years for now the Fluence comes out with a 200kms range. Where does that leave yours with trade in values and the like?
With the monthly charge the battery will just be swapped for the better one at no extra charge.
Smokerspack 2 weeks ago 2
@Smokerspack The range is advertised as 180km(ish). I live and commute in and around Dublin, there's no reason why i would want to drive more than 180km. We have two cars, with one for long distance and the fluence for the city commute a new battery would be of no use....now consider you own the car for 5 years...you would pay the guts of 5 grand for what? an extra 20km that they probably could've given us at launch?? and don't get me started on the coincidental price (diesel price +govt grant)
sugelanren 2 weeks ago
Hi guys, just so you EV fans know. Next week we are testing and filming the Fluence next week for a proper test, so if you have questions for the test post here and I'll answer them in the movie.
Cheers guys!
Smokerspack 1 month ago
@Smokerspack A question I've pondered about for electric cars, especially now that it's starting to be very cold in the mornings and during the days. Since these electric cars have no engine powered by fiery explosions, how do they produce heat to warm up the inside of the car to make it less of a fridge? It should draw power from the batteries ... but how does that affect the number of miles you can run before yer battery is dead? I'm guessing heating air on batterypower is quite ... consuming
filthyearthworm 1 month ago
@filthyearthworm it knocks about 3-5 miles off, but there are various remote cabin heating systems and heated seats in some models...the first true gneration so expect better improvements
eldictator1 1 month ago
More than the top speed, the range or the durability, I want to listen the manufacturers explaining how will they recycle so many batteries in 2025.
YS3Caero 1 month ago
@YS3Caero The same way they recycle nearly 95% of lead acid today, 5-10K batteries still with 60-80% charge left aren't going to be wasted
eldictator1 1 month ago
Taillights looks like the Subaru Impreza Hatchback, nearly identical infact. But what's with all the elecritc cars again? They have nowhere near the range or power of electric cars of the 90's/early 00's. I say - Don't buy into the hype, wait till they are drastically imrpoved in terms of performance and economy.
grezzer31 1 month ago
Why does youtube only put half of my comment on?
dubbugs 1 month ago
And why does youtube only puy half of my comment on?
dubbugs 1 month ago
@smokerstack
Other problems would be if you live in a narrow street and have no garage,where do you charge it?you cant have a cable running out your window across the pavement.plus there are power cut issues,imagine waking up to find your freezer defrosted and no working kettle plus your bloody car is dead.i could go on ,towing caravans etc but i won't.there will always be a great need for the good old combustion engine(and rightly so)just imagine the headlines if the electric ambulance or fire
dubbugs 1 month ago
Renault you kick arse!
FriendOregon 1 month ago
if you think it will be cheap to run one of these just wait till the energy companies start wacking the Price of electricity up,they will be the new oil companies.then the government will tax it to the hilt to recoup lost revenue from a drop in petrol sales.they are like wind turbines,just another gimmick that doesnt really work as good as they want you to think it does.but people will buy em because they are "green".and "cheap" to run. I would wait a few years before buying into the hype as y
dubbugs 1 month ago
@dubbugs you may have a point there Dub, Renault have put one on the fleet for me to test over a week. I live 104kms from the pick up point (mostly motorway) so we'll see if it works on video. I wonder will I run out of fuel on the way home!
Smokerspack 1 month ago
@dubbugs It takes a total of around 6~8KWH of electricity to make, refine and deliver your one gallon of fuel. So if everyone had an ev overnight there would need be no new power stations and the ones we have will be running more efficiently 24-7 due to charging overnight instead of running up and down times that power stations suffer.
There is also an EU law stating that electricity cannot be taxed for vehicle use.
The Gov't can default and go hang themselves on their foreign debts in my book
m1aws 1 month ago
@dubbugs 1/2
There is a diffrence, oil/coal/gass ect is an extremely expensive way of getting electricity compared to renewable. And economics 101 says that if supply drops, as with all non-renewables eventually does, prices rise. With wind turbine ect you konw the resource is there forever. So even if the cenario you describe plays out, the end cost for us consumers will get much much lower. But I don't think that scenario is what will happen at all. Continue....
TheSaltyAdmiral 1 month ago
@dubbugs 2/2
The thing is; contrary to fossile/nuclear energy, renewables are very easy to get. In other words very hard to control. Already prices for PVs are so cheap that most families can afford it, and they are getting better and cheaper each year.
Did you know that over half of Germany's renewable energy are owned by citizens & farmers, NOT utility companies. Thats a HUGE shift in regards to empowering the people.
TheSaltyAdmiral 1 month ago
@dubbugs But if you want to make your own power and become your own energy supplier you can...no one has a petrol pump in their house
eldictator1 1 month ago
Very exciting and hopefully other manufacturers will start lauching and end our dependance on polluting disgusting oil
oliver69cork 1 month ago
@oliver69cork Almost all of the car makers do an electric car now, it's only Renault that are really pushing for it as they have 4 cars. So there'll be lots more testing this year
Smokerspack 1 month ago
for all the car makers..u ask yourself why ppl dount buy your electric cars???becouse u put elecrtic motors only on ugly and small cars..why u dount put electric motors on all the modles u have,the same how u chose a gazoline or a diesel motor,u need to have the possibility to chose an electric motor on the car model u want to buy,and up the autonomy on that cars.at least 400km ,u can do that..so do it
..and then ppl will buy the electric cars,..ps.sorry for my bad english ...
johnnynakamurajohnny 2 months ago
You could drive about twice as far with an EV1 of GM (1998) than with these "new" electric vehicles. Did battery technology go backwards in those 15 years !?!
kwalliander 2 months ago
@kwalliander GM never really pushed the car plus, they were on their own. The US at the time were very rich and wanted to show their wealth with big V8's and such. So there was no market for the EV1 and no market means no development.
Now they are all developing these cars we might see an increase in range over the coming couple of years
Smokerspack 1 month ago
How about stating how long it tkes to charge up fully? Then i can work out if it is worth buying. It would need to be cheaper than my diesel turbo. I don't like the idea of leasing a battery, they must have known faults and renault are trying to make the owner insure against repairs! At least it is a true EV, unlike the Vauxhall Ampera/Chevrolet Volt that are built on a 1.4 astra body and have a direct mechanical connection from engine to gearbox like a prius. They are hybrids, this is an EV
urbex2007 2 months ago
@urbex2007 Good questions. Fast charging point = 80% in 30mins. 7-8 hours at home will get 100%.
If you're a high millage person EG over 10,000 miles per year then Diesel is still the best option. If you're mostly on motorways then it's Diesel again...But
If you make most of your journeys in city traffic or stop start type driving the EV's will be good for you.
Smokerspack 2 months ago 5
@urbex2007 The Vauxhall uses electricity to drive the wheels exclusively. The petrol engine generates the electricty to charge the drive motors thus giving upto 175 miles per gallon.
vubear 2 months ago
UGLY AS SHIT!
marcvie9 2 months ago
me want one
lengotin 3 months ago
@Smokerspack Marketing cheat. Count on the battery leasing and you'll see its not the same price
KStealed 4 months ago
@KStealed don't you fill your car up with fuel?
MrBeechyboy123 2 months ago
too bad you have to be rich to stay enviromental friendly not only in automotion matters but also any "green poduct" you want to buy doubles the price of standar products.
KStealed 4 months ago
@KStealed In Ireland the Renault ZE Fluence is going to the same price to buy as the Diesel version so you don't have to be rich to make these decisions
Smokerspack 4 months ago 2
nice. I like electric vehicles. i think i'll buy this renault model. It's very nice
AnubisTheGod100 4 months ago
Renault forwarded the LAUNCH of ZE series in Italy ! Shame on you Renault !
mptrax 5 months ago
Europeans must be quite fed up with Americans in denial of AGW. What's the word on the street in Ireland regarding this problem, since Americans are the worst emitters of carbon per capita?
saxmanchiro 5 months ago
Good looking car too. Compared to many of the EVs out there, this one is nice to look at.
saxmanchiro 5 months ago
How about showing us the dash? Who is the dooshbag cameraman?
heaty007 5 months ago
I LOVE that jet-engine sound ! :D
eagle003 6 months ago 11
@eagle003 sounds even better when you're in the car
Smokerspack 6 months ago
Bob, nice video, but I was expecting to have some internal views... You said there is no gearbox, I would like to see it.. :-)
Cheers
hbpeinado 8 months ago
@hbpeinado Sorry about that, completely my fault. I had spent so much time getting all the info together and then had to do all the bit to camera in one take I completely forgot about getting interior shots. Looks just the same as a normal Fluence if that helps
Smokerspack 8 months ago