THE BIBLE... Genesis 1:26 ""Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
This is TOTAL BS.!!! THIS is NOT god.
this is MAN's EGO MEGALOMANIAC BS.
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A MAJOR HUMANITY PROBLEM.!!!
WE ARE ALL ALL LIVING ..B E I N G S.. ONE WITH EACH OTHER & ENVIRONMENT; EQUAL..no more no less
Until Now I have stayed away from David Icke... but this video has allowed me to see that any man standing up for the Rights of ALL LIVING BEINGS & the ENVIRONMENT has got to be somebody worth listening too...!!!
OUR Major mistake came from Genesis 1:26... Someone throughout history either F**ked up in their EGO MEGOLOMANIAC interpretation of what they thought god wanted OR they intentionally modified it & created b/c of their LOW SELF ESTEEM's need to be like god... Corrupt Deception.... etc.
By looking at world and look at food, God have created for us to eat, it is true to say all humanity could live on the fruit, vegetable and grain we produce? The amount of hardship people go through to create meat product is beyond human limit to understand? Those who eat meat the amount of trouble they go through at the same time the amount of pain animal have to go through is beyond limit? One way government saying traffic and global warming if this meat eating business stop, many problem gone
Vegans and vegetarians, I do thank you ppl for taking that step as it's a very important temporary solution to the egoistic and materialistic lives most humans are living.
Please stop the God crap. It's religious fanaticism that has been the cause to most big problems of the World. It's time to stop the God thing and take own responsibility and get back to natures wisdom.
I do NOT agree w vegans/vegetarians about going that road is the solution. We are animals and we should heed our natural instincts. We are a species that needs meat for our evolution. The solution is not to stop eating meat, the solution is to stop the uncontrolled growth of the human population and to restore the over 80% of all wildlife we have killed off the last 150 years. Eat meat, but be sure to treat the animals w respect while they live, and see to killing them as painlessly as possible.
@Raatatosk Your argument is useless and will be immediately rejected by most Animal rights advocates. You attack religion as crap but what are you offering? - Another religion based on conservation. It is not a matter of saving Animals for our own purpose in the way that we save plants for new medicines etc. Animals are sentient conscious beings that HAVE RIGHTS.
Your aurgument could be used to justify slavery - 'It's ok to have slaves but treat them with respect'. .
No worries, I've been working with nature and studying nature since I was a child, that's 40 years now. I'm also a wildlife photographer and as you prob have found out, work for Greenpeace. I don't listen to any one party, like animal rights groups, etc. I don't agree with everything they believe just because most of their work is right and fantastic. I can support them anyhow though.
Religion is and has always been the major cause for wars, extermination of ethnic groups and species.
You can't base religion on conservation. Religion is always base on a some kind of god-like creation.
It IS actually a matter of saving nature and wildlife for our own purpose. This planet will always survive. It may take a few million years to repair all we've damaged but as long as we humans are gone it will be done.
Almost everything we've invented, technological or medicinal, comes from studying the animal or plant kingdom. Living WITH nature is the only way we will survive.
@Raatatosk 2. Secondly; you say that we need meat for out evolution - were did you get that from? I have not eaten any meat for over 20 years and Im a hell of a lot healthy then a lot of meat eaters; especially the junk food eating overweight Macdonalds eating public I see in the USA. If that is your idea of the new evolved human you can keep it.
Meat eating is mainly part of western culture, the majority of the words population is vegetarian - so in your opinion we are all evolving wrong.
Common knowledge among evolutionists and most biologists.
You lack a lot of knowledge about nature and evolution, judging by your comments.
Evolution does not happen over 2 years, or 10 years, or even one or barely 10 generations. You and 10 generations after you can live your lives just fine without meat, but in time the lack of meat eating will show itself. Don't mix junk food into meat eating. You can eat even more junk that doesn't have meat in it.
I see that you just don't WANT to know t truth about how nature and evolution works. Live in a fantasy world, but you won't get correct solutions by ignoring facts. To get working solutions you need to work based on facts.
Fact is that we are animals that eat other animals, just like so many other species, especially primates like ourselves. You are wrong about t majority being vegetarian. Almost all indigenous populations eat meat and they KNOW how important it is for them to survive.
@Raatatosk 3.Thirdly; meat eating is a terrible waste of resources. You should know this as a conservationist. Factory Farm food takes a lot of plant protein to produce the equivalent meat protein - in cows I believe it is 15 to 1 pigs 10 to 1 and chickens 3 to 1. Also Factory farmed meat encourages intensive GM nitrate/pesticide farming which destroys the land and disenfranchises farmers. Also it should be rememberd that intense farming incourages disease. All the worst have come from Animals.
The amount of herbivores on our planet just 200 years ago was much large in amount of individuals than we have today all together, wild and non wild (cattle). So the problem is the amount of humans on the planet. Not restoring the wild herbivore populations results in a very unbalanced nature which in turn results in very negative consequences for us humans (and all wildlife).
But you are falling for same lie as all other vegans/vegetarians. It's not t amount of cattle we keep that is the problem, it's how we keep them and what kind of species. I never mentioned cattle or amount of meat to eat.
Also, you should know that resources are not yet t problem. There is plenty of food for everyone. Problem is us wealthy nations where every individual is throwing away around 150kg or more of food every year + state dumping of food.
@Raatatosk 4 lastly - and I could go on and on. You state that the solution is to stop the growth of human population and restore wildlife lost. That is no solution at all. The rich countries of the west use more energy than the rest of the world combined. The USA alone with a population of just 305 million people used 26.6 Twh of energy in 2008. India with 1140 million people used 7.2 Twh in the same period. Are you telling me that cutting population is going to make a difference.
Again, true what you say. But, please, if you cut world population by half, common, anyone understands that it has a positive impact (for our planet).
First we need to get the poor nations to just about western standards even though we have gone too far. When that standard is achieved there is no need for families to have 2-15 kids. Forcing all peoples of the world to adhere to only 1 kid per person would in time turn the population count to diminish.
@Raatatosk 1. I have a few problems with your reaoning
firstly you seen to think that species automatically evolve over time. If that is the case why haven't Sharks and crocodiles evolved - they have remained the same for millions of years. My understanding of Darwins theory is that mutations occur in nature naturally. However species do not evolve unless the mutation has a definite advantage over the competition. This is why antibiotics have lost there effectivness since World War 2.
@Raatatosk 2. ie because antibiotics are fed to factory farm animals routinely the mutant stain of the desease resistant to the antibiotic flourishes - because it has no competition from the non mutated deasese which has been destroyed. You say that humans are going to evolve into some greater species. So that means that some mutation of meat eater is going to flourish over everything else - please explain how?
@Raatatosk 3. My second question involves the statement 'need to get poor nations to just about western standards. Please elaborate What do you actually mean? I don't think forcing people to have less children is the right way. That could be considered a human rights violation.
Please number your comments so I and other people can follow then clearly.
@Raatatosk 5. Of course it is't. When people talk of stopping uncontrolled population growth they really mean 'growth' in the third world. This another one of thoes myths that completely ignors the injustices in the world. If population growth in the third world was halted or reversed the destruction prevelvant in the capitolist Powers would continue unabated.
I don't know what the answer is, but I do think justice should rule our thoughts and part of that justice is Human and Animal Rights.
LOL, the complexity and depth of your comment shows your level of intelligence. You probably can't comment because you don't have any knowledge what so ever about nature and evolution.
@nightgathering I hate animals - does that mean I have the right to abuse them.
IT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT WHETHER YOU LIKE ANIMALS OR NOT - That is the whole point of Animal rights - it is not a choice as everybody seems to think. Animals have rights and therefore thoes rights should be protected by Law. Let's stop this emotional - furry fandom - Disney - soft creatures mentality. It's not a matter of how we feel - but what is right.
People are crazy and they abuse animals in the worst possible ways for AIDS research, drug research, cancer research. What Icke is saying is true, people will begin using other races for cancer research, AIDS research, if they are willing to do it on animals. they do in fact, already do this.
I think that David Icke was brilliant on what he said,he is right as well we need a animal bill of rights and they will have more laws to protect them from evil.
Too bad you can't force an epiphany on anyone, but it was a poster in the bus I saw that changed my life - I went vegan right then. It was a P.E.T.A. poster saying "you wouldn't eat a dog or cat, so why eat a chicken?" something like that.
Yes, animals need a bill of rights.
Leonardo Da Vinci said one day killing an animal will be considered the same as killing a human.
Baby steps right now - West Hollywood does not allow any kind of animal fur to be sold in that city.
the more cancer research humans do on helpless animals, the more god will curse humans with cancer. THAT is why cancer rates keep rising, it is a curse for scientific experiments on animals. All the experiments they do on animals for AIDS research is a good reason to exterminate humans with nuclear weapons.
@SimonCowellAI That's the most ridiculas comment I have ever seen. I really think you need to see a head specialist. GOD CANNOT INTERFERE WITH HUMAN ACTIONS - otherwise Free will is compromised and God therefore could not exist. Animal Rights is about Human rights. You cannot have any respect for anyone when you speak of killing them - and for what - using a treatment to save their lives or alleviate pain. If all Animal experiments stopped tommorow Cancer would still exist.
@SimonCowellAI 2 The trouble with you is that you look for the worse in people. You only have one video on You tube and its sole purpose is to make ridiculas and humiliate someones eyes. Haven't you got anything better to do with your time.
I think people would be well advised to block you.(as I have)
Parliament Square Peace Campaigner Brian Haw Passes Away
'Brian protested outside Parliament 24/7 from June 2001 until he contracted lung cancer last year against the slaughter of the innocent in Afghanistan and Iraq by the evil that is the British government. He was constantly abused and persecuted by the same system and by idiots among the public, but he continued on no matter. Good on you, mate. ... .' Read more ...
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@7PPM Powerfully said. Judging a nation and its adherence to these values, none of us truly qualify. Having said that I am all for a Bill for Animal's Rights May all these noble creatures Have a voice to keep their kin and kith . leading a life of dignity and respect, like we expect All of Creation and life to do too. Thank you. David Icke for the wonderful speech. A Great Voice and Great Thoughts !!!!
Powerfully said. Judging a nation and its adherence to these values, none of us truly qualify. Having said that I am all for a Bill for Animal's Rights May all these noble creatures Have a voice to keep their kin and kith . leading a life of dignity and respect, like we expect All of Creation and life to do too. Thank you. David Icke for the wonderful speech. A Great Voice and Great Thoughts !!!!
Well he's clearly been on the decline with his intelligence over the years (world leaders are reptiles lolwut), but he's right on the money about animal rights. Goes to show you don't have to be smart to tell right from wrong.
Great speech, David Icke! You were on the right track even then. Your care for humanity and "all sentient beings" is a core value for you that didn't just start when it became fashionable.
Good question, is he a vegetarian or not. i'd like to know, because I'm a vegan.
There is an enormous difference between vegan & vegetarian. Vegan is a cruelty free way of life - no eating any animal product (including honey from bees), wearing leather & silk, avoiding products tested on animals, and more. I'll write more later, I'm too tired now. I haven't slept in a long time.
why didn't he remain in the green party, he was much sane back then. the egghead now goes around telling the world of this pathetic theory of lizard men. what a fucking joke!
I absolutely agree with David Icke, the animals need our voice to protect them from abuse. That is why I have been a vegetarian and now a raw vegan. Thank you David!
Two clips are of interesting, and, may tie in with those thousands of dead birds. Clip #1: ted nugent doves are food....clip#2: the day ted nugent killed all the animals
"The General Lack Of Humanity...The Lack Of Knowledge, That All Sentient Life Is Akin...And That He Who Injures A Fellow Being, Is In Fact, Doing Injury To Himself......."
It's a shame now Icke has dropped any mention of animal abuse from his books and talks. My friend in the Isle of White works in a cafe and David Icke visits regularly for a full English Breakfast i.e. bacon and eggs.
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Indeed some things so obviously obscene go unchecked.
If we put an animal through a murder factory for exploitation we call it an abattoir,
If we put a human through a murder factory for exploitation we call it a concentration camp.Both are horrific creations....i am sure if most people saw what an animal went through to become the abstract meat on their plate they would reconsider.
My God I just think the world of this guy! Could just leap over the audience and tear off his sexy green tie. Why oh why aren't there more men like him in the world...and my age :(
@SpideyCat1 Your comment "I know he`s as mad as frogs" makes no sense to me...you are entitled to your opinion, like everyone else in this world, but after reading 6 of his books I would totally disagree with your statement....If you have come to the conclusion, after reading his work, this is this is the case then fair enough..but the guy has actually changed my life in the past 4 years, for the better.. I am intrigued to establish why you would surmise why he is as mad as you claim??
@mairsy100 He thinks he is Jesus Christ and that people in power are reptiles. Neither of these two things he believes are meant metaphorically. He is a mad bastard. But this speech makes sense, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
@6Man666666 If you do some research you will find the "Jesus Christ" claim that you make was taken out of context completely..but that`s the tabloids for you..listen pal, if you want to read The Sun and The Daily Star be my guest...but when you make claims that are based on their farcial views of the world then I have to say your claims have no foundaton..he is a "mad batstard" is he? Well, I suggest you read The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot to wake up mate, that`s a start for you
@mairsy100 I saw the whole interview at the time, actually saying he was Jesus Christ,not incarnation, not of the Christ consciousness, no, actually jesus. From his lips. I read Stanislav Grof The Holotropic Mind from ages back- Michael Tablot is a reporter isnt he? I remember reading The self aware universe around there, similar principles. David Icke still suffered a bit of a split from reality , I do think he is earnest about these reptile stuff as well as being JesusX. Concepts aren't new
Wow, that was so well spoken. Truly, from a spiritual energy standpoint (call it quantum physics, if you will) we are subject to divine, high law in that if we as energy signatures make a concious choice to harm another energy signature, which we are all connected to and co-dependent on, we are in essence harming ourselves. What we are doing now, by being in a zomblie sleep mode, is just that on a massive global scale. So we need to wake up and let the few stop cintrolling our conciousness...
You Brits wish this guy was your PM? Does his stand on animal rights extend to reptilians? You think a guy who truly believes and publicly states that the American president was a reptile would be well suited for the job? Well, maybe he would have kept you out of Iraq, but what do you think he would have tried to do about the reptile problem?
What can I say. My country elected George W Bush, to our utter and lasting shame.
@grant2225 Yes, elected officials worldwide tend to repay the interest groups thar helped them gain their position. Should we stop electing leaders?
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I'm in favor of animal rights. I was a vegetarian for 4 years because I couldn't stomach the way our meat industry treated animals.
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But do you understand that Icke truly believes that our world is being run by shape-changing space aliens? He believes most world leaders are shape-changing "reptilians." Is that who you want setting foreign policy?
@grant2225 That leaves us with "might makes right." Eliminate elections and you guarantee millions of deaths and fascist rule. When the mighty fight for power, the peasants are always slaughtered. People know who they voted for, and when they're betrayed, they tend to rise up.
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Some politicians are crooked, but I think enough of them are decent enough to make things work relatively well. Usually. I think most do the best they can. Get to know some of them personally. They're usually decent.
For waht it's worth, ICke says that obviously not ALL reppies are bad. Just as there are malevolent and benevolent humans there are Reptilians doing good as well apart from the cunts that (allegedly) control us. :-)
USA has gone haywire, what were you thinking when electing Obama? He's an empty puppet being pulled by puppeteers (advisors, bankers, bloodline families). Just look at how he does NOTHING about the BP oil spill. He's useless.
It is about time humans woke up to the pain we cause to our fellow sentient beings living on this planet with us. All this must stop. We must all live in peace and find the way for us all to live sustainably on the earth. Meat is murder and suffering. It cannot be justified in todays society. Meat eaters are beginning to look like bullfight attendees to me. Killing animals for entertainment must end. Peace to all life, everywhere.
I completely agree with you one hundred percent but I must tell you that you have been mislead and if your a vegan or vegetarian or whatever you should find a different resource to get your information from if even you absorb the concepts david icke talks about you'll come to find a sad conclusion and that is david icke is a fucking hypocrite and completely contradicts himself where you shouldnt listen to much what he says because he discredits himself my still choosing to eat meat.
For some reason I don't think David Icke is actually a vegetarian. Was animal rights only an issue back then? No. Why doesn't he mention animal rights AT ALL nowadays?
Plants are not sentient. Sentient means having perception of the senses and consciousness. All sentient creatures have an interest in living free from pain, plants on the other hand have no interest whatsoever in their treatment.
They have different chemical reactions to different stimuli, scientists have known this for ages. I saw 'The secret life of plants' as well. They do not have a brain, nervous systems, nociceptors, benzodiazepine receptors or anything that else that we associate with sentience. Nor does it make any evolutionary sense that plants would be sentient. Why would plants be given sentience when they can't react to an act that damages them?
I think it is apparent that like all other meat eaters and non-vegans who use the 'plant argument', you do not care in the least for plant life and other non-sentient organisms, and are completely refusing of any personal sacrifice to save plant or animal lives.
Alright, so we've established it. You don't care about the rights of plants or animals. Are you opposed to 'unnecessary' suffering being inflicted upon animals? Are you against cat and dog abuse, and support humane slaughter? Do you support animal welfare? If you support any of those 3, you acknowledge that inflicting 'unnecessary' suffering on animals is wrong. Yet killing and exploiting animals for food, clothing etc, cannot be considered necessary in ANY sense.
Alright so we have established it. you dont care about the rights of plants or animals.
See I can follow the words spoken by radials on both sides.
we agree to disagree, you freely to think of me as a monster for eating meat though I do not, but you hate me for telling you not to murder plants, murder is murder, but then we both must stand before Jesus on the other side, might be interesting which he said come to me, and the other he says g I never knew you. God bless you
I am a vegan, I am doing far more to help plants than you. You on the other hand continue to ignore the fact that animal agriculture destroys mass numbers of plants, unnecessarily. If you cared about plants, you would become vegan. However, you obviously don't and continue to eat meat and animal products.
In all honesty, no one believes that the act of killing a plant and an animal is morally equal. If I stepped on a flower in your garden, you might be upset. But if I snapped your dog's neck, I find it hard to believe that you'd be only equally as upset.
Animal rights to this day has occurred nowhere in the world. Far more animals are exploited in brutal and far more callous ways than ever before in history.
Why would animal rights 'move over' when all the scientific evidence tells us plants are not sentient, yet we know 100% that animals are sentient? Suppose that plants are sentient, animal rights and veganism would still be the moral baseline. For the simple fact that to produce meat, an animal needs to consume roughly 10 times more plant matter than volume it outputs in flesh. The more we care about plants, the more we want to reduce their suffering by adopting a vegan diet.
You can ignore reality as much as you want, plants are not sentient. That is a fact. Direct me to a source if you're so convinced that they are. If you care about plants, then you would go vegan, as doing so saves far more plants.
Well there's no logical reason to believe that plants are sentient, but if you want to fight for their rights, good for you. As long as you're vegan, and realise that by eating meat and animal products you are 'condemning' enormous amounts of plants to an unnecessary death.
This isn't about anyone else, this is about you. If you care so much about non-sentient lifeforms such as plants, then you would not eat meat or animal products as it is an extreme waste of plant life. To do so, clearly demonstrates that you do not care about plants at all.
Why do you feel the need to constantly ignore the subject? In order to produce meat, milk, eggs, wool, or whatever other animal products, an animal must eat vast, vast quantities of plant life. If you are opposed to the unnecessary killing of plants, then your first step should be to apply that ethic to your own lifestyle, by going vegan and minimalising the suffering you cause on animals, and the death you bring upon plants and other non-sentient life forms.
if there is such a thing as judgement day, and we the people of this planet stand before the creator, i hope and pray we will be tortured in ways you cant imagine for the suffering and down right sadistic crultey we have imposed on our fellow centient being on this planet, such as being fed through a wood chipper set on slow, you bunch of murdering fucks
If all the meat produced industrally was produced in temprate wet areas the nature would improve for human habitation there without destoying the soil like in warmer places. And you open up for leaf felling trees that make good soil instead of fur trees that make the soil more acid. The warmer places should concentrate on vegan food and crops if they have big dams in that way there would be food for meateaters, like bloodtype O, who neds meat to improve health, and without destroying the earth.
And what i said only applies to wet temperate areas not the tropics or desertlike areas, grazing animals there is not sustainable over a long time even farming without a dam is not sustainable there. If we ban meat i guess we need to deny aborignals to kill wild food too is it ethical that the animals suffer by the hand of primitive spears and bow an arrow insted of a rifle?
I AGREE with DAVID ICKE
& I will go a BIG STEP FURTHER.!
THE BIBLE... Genesis 1:26 ""Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
This is TOTAL BS.!!! THIS is NOT god.
this is MAN's EGO MEGALOMANIAC BS.
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A MAJOR HUMANITY PROBLEM.!!!
WE ARE ALL ALL LIVING ..B E I N G S.. ONE WITH EACH OTHER & ENVIRONMENT; EQUAL..no more no less
SiNaoia 1 week ago
Until Now I have stayed away from David Icke... but this video has allowed me to see that any man standing up for the Rights of ALL LIVING BEINGS & the ENVIRONMENT has got to be somebody worth listening too...!!!
OUR Major mistake came from Genesis 1:26... Someone throughout history either F**ked up in their EGO MEGOLOMANIAC interpretation of what they thought god wanted OR they intentionally modified it & created b/c of their LOW SELF ESTEEM's need to be like god... Corrupt Deception.... etc.
SiNaoia 1 week ago
By looking at world and look at food, God have created for us to eat, it is true to say all humanity could live on the fruit, vegetable and grain we produce? The amount of hardship people go through to create meat product is beyond human limit to understand? Those who eat meat the amount of trouble they go through at the same time the amount of pain animal have to go through is beyond limit? One way government saying traffic and global warming if this meat eating business stop, many problem gone
keshsor 2 weeks ago
This man is a gift from the heaven's...people like david icke should be running the world not those selfish fucking greedy bastard control freaks
kccalden 1 month ago
Vegans and vegetarians, I do thank you ppl for taking that step as it's a very important temporary solution to the egoistic and materialistic lives most humans are living.
Please stop the God crap. It's religious fanaticism that has been the cause to most big problems of the World. It's time to stop the God thing and take own responsibility and get back to natures wisdom.
Raatatosk 1 month ago
I do NOT agree w vegans/vegetarians about going that road is the solution. We are animals and we should heed our natural instincts. We are a species that needs meat for our evolution. The solution is not to stop eating meat, the solution is to stop the uncontrolled growth of the human population and to restore the over 80% of all wildlife we have killed off the last 150 years. Eat meat, but be sure to treat the animals w respect while they live, and see to killing them as painlessly as possible.
Raatatosk 1 month ago
@Raatatosk Your argument is useless and will be immediately rejected by most Animal rights advocates. You attack religion as crap but what are you offering? - Another religion based on conservation. It is not a matter of saving Animals for our own purpose in the way that we save plants for new medicines etc. Animals are sentient conscious beings that HAVE RIGHTS.
Your aurgument could be used to justify slavery - 'It's ok to have slaves but treat them with respect'. .
conn6m 1 month ago
@conn6m
No worries, I've been working with nature and studying nature since I was a child, that's 40 years now. I'm also a wildlife photographer and as you prob have found out, work for Greenpeace. I don't listen to any one party, like animal rights groups, etc. I don't agree with everything they believe just because most of their work is right and fantastic. I can support them anyhow though.
Religion is and has always been the major cause for wars, extermination of ethnic groups and species.
Raatatosk 1 month ago
@conn6m
You can't base religion on conservation. Religion is always base on a some kind of god-like creation.
It IS actually a matter of saving nature and wildlife for our own purpose. This planet will always survive. It may take a few million years to repair all we've damaged but as long as we humans are gone it will be done.
Almost everything we've invented, technological or medicinal, comes from studying the animal or plant kingdom. Living WITH nature is the only way we will survive.
Raatatosk 1 month ago
@Raatatosk 2. Secondly; you say that we need meat for out evolution - were did you get that from? I have not eaten any meat for over 20 years and Im a hell of a lot healthy then a lot of meat eaters; especially the junk food eating overweight Macdonalds eating public I see in the USA. If that is your idea of the new evolved human you can keep it.
Meat eating is mainly part of western culture, the majority of the words population is vegetarian - so in your opinion we are all evolving wrong.
conn6m 1 month ago
@conn6m
Common knowledge among evolutionists and most biologists.
You lack a lot of knowledge about nature and evolution, judging by your comments.
Evolution does not happen over 2 years, or 10 years, or even one or barely 10 generations. You and 10 generations after you can live your lives just fine without meat, but in time the lack of meat eating will show itself. Don't mix junk food into meat eating. You can eat even more junk that doesn't have meat in it.
Raatatosk 1 month ago
@conn6m
I see that you just don't WANT to know t truth about how nature and evolution works. Live in a fantasy world, but you won't get correct solutions by ignoring facts. To get working solutions you need to work based on facts.
Fact is that we are animals that eat other animals, just like so many other species, especially primates like ourselves. You are wrong about t majority being vegetarian. Almost all indigenous populations eat meat and they KNOW how important it is for them to survive.
Raatatosk 1 month ago
@Raatatosk 3.Thirdly; meat eating is a terrible waste of resources. You should know this as a conservationist. Factory Farm food takes a lot of plant protein to produce the equivalent meat protein - in cows I believe it is 15 to 1 pigs 10 to 1 and chickens 3 to 1. Also Factory farmed meat encourages intensive GM nitrate/pesticide farming which destroys the land and disenfranchises farmers. Also it should be rememberd that intense farming incourages disease. All the worst have come from Animals.
conn6m 1 month ago
@conn6m
The amount of herbivores on our planet just 200 years ago was much large in amount of individuals than we have today all together, wild and non wild (cattle). So the problem is the amount of humans on the planet. Not restoring the wild herbivore populations results in a very unbalanced nature which in turn results in very negative consequences for us humans (and all wildlife).
Raatatosk 1 month ago
@conn6m
Finally saying something very true.
But you are falling for same lie as all other vegans/vegetarians. It's not t amount of cattle we keep that is the problem, it's how we keep them and what kind of species. I never mentioned cattle or amount of meat to eat.
Also, you should know that resources are not yet t problem. There is plenty of food for everyone. Problem is us wealthy nations where every individual is throwing away around 150kg or more of food every year + state dumping of food.
Raatatosk 1 month ago
@Raatatosk 4 lastly - and I could go on and on. You state that the solution is to stop the growth of human population and restore wildlife lost. That is no solution at all. The rich countries of the west use more energy than the rest of the world combined. The USA alone with a population of just 305 million people used 26.6 Twh of energy in 2008. India with 1140 million people used 7.2 Twh in the same period. Are you telling me that cutting population is going to make a difference.
conn6m 1 month ago
@conn6m
Again, true what you say. But, please, if you cut world population by half, common, anyone understands that it has a positive impact (for our planet).
First we need to get the poor nations to just about western standards even though we have gone too far. When that standard is achieved there is no need for families to have 2-15 kids. Forcing all peoples of the world to adhere to only 1 kid per person would in time turn the population count to diminish.
Raatatosk 1 month ago
@Raatatosk 1. I have a few problems with your reaoning
firstly you seen to think that species automatically evolve over time. If that is the case why haven't Sharks and crocodiles evolved - they have remained the same for millions of years. My understanding of Darwins theory is that mutations occur in nature naturally. However species do not evolve unless the mutation has a definite advantage over the competition. This is why antibiotics have lost there effectivness since World War 2.
conn6m 1 month ago
@Raatatosk 2. ie because antibiotics are fed to factory farm animals routinely the mutant stain of the desease resistant to the antibiotic flourishes - because it has no competition from the non mutated deasese which has been destroyed. You say that humans are going to evolve into some greater species. So that means that some mutation of meat eater is going to flourish over everything else - please explain how?
conn6m 1 month ago
@Raatatosk 3. My second question involves the statement 'need to get poor nations to just about western standards. Please elaborate What do you actually mean? I don't think forcing people to have less children is the right way. That could be considered a human rights violation.
Please number your comments so I and other people can follow then clearly.
conn6m 1 month ago
@Raatatosk 5. Of course it is't. When people talk of stopping uncontrolled population growth they really mean 'growth' in the third world. This another one of thoes myths that completely ignors the injustices in the world. If population growth in the third world was halted or reversed the destruction prevelvant in the capitolist Powers would continue unabated.
I don't know what the answer is, but I do think justice should rule our thoughts and part of that justice is Human and Animal Rights.
conn6m 1 month ago
@Raatatosk
Evolution? lmao! What an idiot you are.
parasitesarefunny 2 weeks ago
@parasitesarefunny
LOL, the complexity and depth of your comment shows your level of intelligence. You probably can't comment because you don't have any knowledge what so ever about nature and evolution.
Raatatosk 2 weeks ago
@Raatatosk
I used to be brainwashed by the Macro Evolution delusion, unlike you I woke up to the lies put forth by this UnScientific brainwashing propaganda.
parasitesarefunny 2 weeks ago
I Adore David Icke!
Kajsy88 2 months ago
If you really love animals, go vegan. Compassion over killing and FREEDOM for every sentient being.
nightgathering 2 months ago
@nightgathering I hate animals - does that mean I have the right to abuse them.
IT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT WHETHER YOU LIKE ANIMALS OR NOT - That is the whole point of Animal rights - it is not a choice as everybody seems to think. Animals have rights and therefore thoes rights should be protected by Law. Let's stop this emotional - furry fandom - Disney - soft creatures mentality. It's not a matter of how we feel - but what is right.
conn6m 2 months ago
@conn6m World is too hard, man..
TheCosmicDaddy 1 month ago
It seems that Icke was researching the truth vibrations before he knew he was
Bensims777 3 months ago
This guy should of been the leader of the monster raving looney party.
daveewrg4 3 months ago
I love david icke
aki001red 3 months ago
I agree with Simoncowell
People are crazy and they abuse animals in the worst possible ways for AIDS research, drug research, cancer research. What Icke is saying is true, people will begin using other races for cancer research, AIDS research, if they are willing to do it on animals. they do in fact, already do this.
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NewAgeDirector 3 months ago
Yes, A Bill of Rights of Animals would be perfect. Thank you.
protecthorses 3 months ago
I think that David Icke was brilliant on what he said,he is right as well we need a animal bill of rights and they will have more laws to protect them from evil.
54marguerite 4 months ago
I agree! Well said.
Too bad you can't force an epiphany on anyone, but it was a poster in the bus I saw that changed my life - I went vegan right then. It was a P.E.T.A. poster saying "you wouldn't eat a dog or cat, so why eat a chicken?" something like that.
Yes, animals need a bill of rights.
Leonardo Da Vinci said one day killing an animal will be considered the same as killing a human.
Baby steps right now - West Hollywood does not allow any kind of animal fur to be sold in that city.
cherrybomb2600 4 months ago
This before Icke delved into conspiracy.
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albjon100 4 months ago
the more cancer research humans do on helpless animals, the more god will curse humans with cancer. THAT is why cancer rates keep rising, it is a curse for scientific experiments on animals. All the experiments they do on animals for AIDS research is a good reason to exterminate humans with nuclear weapons.
SimonCowellAI 4 months ago
@SimonCowellAI That's the most ridiculas comment I have ever seen. I really think you need to see a head specialist. GOD CANNOT INTERFERE WITH HUMAN ACTIONS - otherwise Free will is compromised and God therefore could not exist. Animal Rights is about Human rights. You cannot have any respect for anyone when you speak of killing them - and for what - using a treatment to save their lives or alleviate pain. If all Animal experiments stopped tommorow Cancer would still exist.
conn6m 4 months ago
@SimonCowellAI 2 The trouble with you is that you look for the worse in people. You only have one video on You tube and its sole purpose is to make ridiculas and humiliate someones eyes. Haven't you got anything better to do with your time.
I think people would be well advised to block you.(as I have)
conn6m 4 months ago
@SimonCowellAI What u say absolutly doesn't make any sense at all.
David Icke makes damn good and sensible points and u come back with some non-sensible gibberish.
Its way past the time we treat our fellow earthling like we would want to be treated.
You can't argue with reason!
case closed!
chainamarie03 3 months ago
@SimonCowellAI all valid points except there is no god
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I hatch! Crawl! And swim!
Oh how I love my sweet life,
Please don’t hunt me.
—A Green Sea Turtle
StephanieLisaTara 5 months ago
He was born a leader
Hikmat503 5 months ago
Great speach by David Icke, brilliant and thanks for posting.
awaken2infinite 5 months ago 6
Pure Genius.
manicpsych290 6 months ago
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Bouser 7 months ago
Peace and Love David Icke...
Jdabomb93 7 months ago
I never knew David Icke was a Green party member. Huh...? He is still a really interesting man to me.
bradMi80 7 months ago
I never knew David Icke was a Green party member. Huh...?
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@7PPM Powerfully said. Judging a nation and its adherence to these values, none of us truly qualify. Having said that I am all for a Bill for Animal's Rights May all these noble creatures Have a voice to keep their kin and kith . leading a life of dignity and respect, like we expect All of Creation and life to do too. Thank you. David Icke for the wonderful speech. A Great Voice and Great Thoughts !!!!
nayanika23 8 months ago
Powerfully said. Judging a nation and its adherence to these values, none of us truly qualify. Having said that I am all for a Bill for Animal's Rights May all these noble creatures Have a voice to keep their kin and kith . leading a life of dignity and respect, like we expect All of Creation and life to do too. Thank you. David Icke for the wonderful speech. A Great Voice and Great Thoughts !!!!
nayanika23 8 months ago
Well he's clearly been on the decline with his intelligence over the years (world leaders are reptiles lolwut), but he's right on the money about animal rights. Goes to show you don't have to be smart to tell right from wrong.
hedonism13 9 months ago
Great speech, David Icke! You were on the right track even then. Your care for humanity and "all sentient beings" is a core value for you that didn't just start when it became fashionable.
juliemyr1 9 months ago
Go Veg & fight the Arcons !
magicLakeComo 9 months ago
is david a vegeterian?
vmet 10 months ago
@vmet
Good question, is he a vegetarian or not. i'd like to know, because I'm a vegan.
There is an enormous difference between vegan & vegetarian. Vegan is a cruelty free way of life - no eating any animal product (including honey from bees), wearing leather & silk, avoiding products tested on animals, and more. I'll write more later, I'm too tired now. I haven't slept in a long time.
cherrybomb2600 4 months ago
oh lolz, protect the lizard people davie, all sentient life is akin?
so whose the socialist Shepard of this sheep?
i heard he hates sheep as much as ignorant people.
heh
Swordofgnosis 10 months ago
A man destined to change the conciousness of many, a light in the darkness.
permaveg 11 months ago
why didn't he remain in the green party, he was much sane back then. the egghead now goes around telling the world of this pathetic theory of lizard men. what a fucking joke!
halflifeproductionz 11 months ago
Amen
PhoBosZA 11 months ago
look at the color of his tie..HES A REPTILE
msa1985 1 year ago
@msa1985
So clever<3 :)
SlipAllCityToy 1 year ago
What an awesome speech! :)
DarrylC84 1 year ago 4
I absolutely agree with David Icke, the animals need our voice to protect them from abuse. That is why I have been a vegetarian and now a raw vegan. Thank you David!
rawcarmen 1 year ago 10
@rawcarmen Likewise my friend.
MultiLock13 1 month ago
I agree absolutely!!
Poldark3 1 year ago
Always Fantastic. Genius!
panicolino 1 year ago
Two clips are of interesting, and, may tie in with those thousands of dead birds. Clip #1: ted nugent doves are food....clip#2: the day ted nugent killed all the animals
dunbarGirl007 1 year ago
His Words Makes Absolute sense...
"They Are The Same Value..."
"The General Lack Of Humanity...The Lack Of Knowledge, That All Sentient Life Is Akin...And That He Who Injures A Fellow Being, Is In Fact, Doing Injury To Himself......."
"Love, Respect And Dignity"
nathanharryfarquhar 1 year ago
It's a shame now Icke has dropped any mention of animal abuse from his books and talks. My friend in the Isle of White works in a cafe and David Icke visits regularly for a full English Breakfast i.e. bacon and eggs.
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kanarvin 1 year ago
If we''re going to treat animals as humans then I want to know if anyone has asked the animals where they stand on the issue.
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hungarylnnjsd 1 year ago
Beautifully spoken !
WeaselCrow 1 year ago
Deep Ecology is the shit. Thanks to Icke and Naess
Guitarscreech06 1 year ago
Indeed some things so obviously obscene go unchecked.
If we put an animal through a murder factory for exploitation we call it an abattoir,
If we put a human through a murder factory for exploitation we call it a concentration camp.Both are horrific creations....i am sure if most people saw what an animal went through to become the abstract meat on their plate they would reconsider.
TheMonochord 1 year ago 2
@TheMonochord Exactly, but most people look for stupid excuses to continue with their crimes. Go vegan people!
nightgathering 2 months ago
My God I just think the world of this guy! Could just leap over the audience and tear off his sexy green tie. Why oh why aren't there more men like him in the world...and my age :(
blinquay 1 year ago 8
I love you, David Icke. You are awesome.
fifthavenuegirl 1 year ago 2
Williemccoy1-
You can eat and even wear animals and still treat them with dignity you ignorant fuck. Look at native Americans.
fucutrendyfuc 1 year ago
Sypdavis-
He states in his book The Big Secret that not
All of the reptillian race is malevolent and concerned with control, so read up my friend
fucutrendyfuc 1 year ago
the tide is turning, eyes are opening!
ijl1hss 1 year ago
Being a politician is a job as anything else, albeit a job of high status - it is easy to always hate on them when you havenät walked in their shoes.
(of course, the Illuminati NWO-crap is prevalent everywhere today, so it's hard to find any decent ones now)
Guitarscreech06 1 year ago
Icke is our Jesus of our time.
essy111 1 year ago
he dont like reptiles.
sypdavis 1 year ago 2
@sypdavis Reptiles=zionist jews
xxdiogenescynicxx 1 year ago
awesome!
MrSigCarnage 1 year ago
Brilliant!!!!!!1..and i totally agree with ExposeSeduction!1..
stevewestwood2007 1 year ago
he's amazing!! I wish every politician thought like him, this world would be a better place..
monlamthai 1 year ago 2
Martin Luther King ate meat, lots of it. He wore leather and liked it. He hunted for food, too.
The greatness of a country cannot be gauged by whether it's people eat and wear animals. That is just erroneous.
williemccoy1 1 year ago
I know he's as mad a box of frogs, but he's totally right on this! :-) bles him
SpideyCat1 1 year ago
@SpideyCat1 Your comment "I know he`s as mad as frogs" makes no sense to me...you are entitled to your opinion, like everyone else in this world, but after reading 6 of his books I would totally disagree with your statement....If you have come to the conclusion, after reading his work, this is this is the case then fair enough..but the guy has actually changed my life in the past 4 years, for the better.. I am intrigued to establish why you would surmise why he is as mad as you claim??
mairsy100 1 year ago 18
@mairsy100 He thinks he is Jesus Christ and that people in power are reptiles. Neither of these two things he believes are meant metaphorically. He is a mad bastard. But this speech makes sense, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
6Man666666 8 months ago
@6Man666666 If you do some research you will find the "Jesus Christ" claim that you make was taken out of context completely..but that`s the tabloids for you..listen pal, if you want to read The Sun and The Daily Star be my guest...but when you make claims that are based on their farcial views of the world then I have to say your claims have no foundaton..he is a "mad batstard" is he? Well, I suggest you read The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot to wake up mate, that`s a start for you
mairsy100 8 months ago
@mairsy100 I saw the whole interview at the time, actually saying he was Jesus Christ,not incarnation, not of the Christ consciousness, no, actually jesus. From his lips. I read Stanislav Grof The Holotropic Mind from ages back- Michael Tablot is a reporter isnt he? I remember reading The self aware universe around there, similar principles. David Icke still suffered a bit of a split from reality , I do think he is earnest about these reptile stuff as well as being JesusX. Concepts aren't new
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cherrybomb2600 4 months ago
@mairsy100 yeah I totally agree with the idea that you should examine someone's ideas fully before arguing against them
SpaceHog2099 7 months ago
@SpideyCat1
Why would he be mad?
Frogs are not mad either.
And if you think frogs and David are mad, than maybe you should check if you are slightly demented.
VeggiePower303 1 year ago 3
Wow, that was so well spoken. Truly, from a spiritual energy standpoint (call it quantum physics, if you will) we are subject to divine, high law in that if we as energy signatures make a concious choice to harm another energy signature, which we are all connected to and co-dependent on, we are in essence harming ourselves. What we are doing now, by being in a zomblie sleep mode, is just that on a massive global scale. So we need to wake up and let the few stop cintrolling our conciousness...
WhoIsBrianNussbaum 1 year ago
Agreed! He's an amazing man.
JaneSilver1 1 year ago 3
So be it.
Dehzee 1 year ago
surely you need to date it
europarl 1 year ago
You Brits wish this guy was your PM? Does his stand on animal rights extend to reptilians? You think a guy who truly believes and publicly states that the American president was a reptile would be well suited for the job? Well, maybe he would have kept you out of Iraq, but what do you think he would have tried to do about the reptile problem?
What can I say. My country elected George W Bush, to our utter and lasting shame.
dcs002 1 year ago
@dcs002 and you elected obama,clinton, reagan,carter,nixon and many more puppets who play their roles well for the interests that got them in there
grant2225 1 year ago
@grant2225 Yes, elected officials worldwide tend to repay the interest groups thar helped them gain their position. Should we stop electing leaders?
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I'm in favor of animal rights. I was a vegetarian for 4 years because I couldn't stomach the way our meat industry treated animals.
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But do you understand that Icke truly believes that our world is being run by shape-changing space aliens? He believes most world leaders are shape-changing "reptilians." Is that who you want setting foreign policy?
dcs002 1 year ago
@dcs002 yes i think boycott the farce that are elections. I dont believe anything i cant prove but i dont neglect the fact it could be right
grant2225 1 year ago
@grant2225 That leaves us with "might makes right." Eliminate elections and you guarantee millions of deaths and fascist rule. When the mighty fight for power, the peasants are always slaughtered. People know who they voted for, and when they're betrayed, they tend to rise up.
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Some politicians are crooked, but I think enough of them are decent enough to make things work relatively well. Usually. I think most do the best they can. Get to know some of them personally. They're usually decent.
dcs002 1 year ago
@dcs002
For waht it's worth, ICke says that obviously not ALL reppies are bad. Just as there are malevolent and benevolent humans there are Reptilians doing good as well apart from the cunts that (allegedly) control us. :-)
USA has gone haywire, what were you thinking when electing Obama? He's an empty puppet being pulled by puppeteers (advisors, bankers, bloodline families). Just look at how he does NOTHING about the BP oil spill. He's useless.
Guitarscreech06 1 year ago
@Guitarscreech06
He's also from Kenya. LOL
Guitarscreech06 1 year ago
fashions change values don't (:-D) marathon.
vastell 1 year ago
i love david ickeee soo
much to the point where i cant leave the house
without watching him or reading a chapter
but his moon matrix theory
could bee the one to turn me off i'm afraid ;(
ORALORALSEX 1 year ago
I wish people like him were the norm, not the exceptional.
alvrosda 1 year ago
David Icke should have run for Prime Minister. He is a truly amazing man.
SandraLondon63 1 year ago 2
It is about time humans woke up to the pain we cause to our fellow sentient beings living on this planet with us. All this must stop. We must all live in peace and find the way for us all to live sustainably on the earth. Meat is murder and suffering. It cannot be justified in todays society. Meat eaters are beginning to look like bullfight attendees to me. Killing animals for entertainment must end. Peace to all life, everywhere.
peterpaulparker 1 year ago
I completely agree with you one hundred percent but I must tell you that you have been mislead and if your a vegan or vegetarian or whatever you should find a different resource to get your information from if even you absorb the concepts david icke talks about you'll come to find a sad conclusion and that is david icke is a fucking hypocrite and completely contradicts himself where you shouldnt listen to much what he says because he discredits himself my still choosing to eat meat.
VeganBred 1 year ago
hahaha, that was awesome..
rdicko86 1 year ago
i wish guy was the prime minister,
Vespertine2626 1 year ago 4
@Vespertine2626 so do many..
JonnyInfinite 1 year ago
Humans are animals.Yet people seem to deny this.
SgtThom 1 year ago
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donze52 1 year ago
Don't step on the grass or mow it then.
liberalwankers 1 year ago
For some reason I don't think David Icke is actually a vegetarian. Was animal rights only an issue back then? No. Why doesn't he mention animal rights AT ALL nowadays?
dismalite 1 year ago
just because you eat an animal doesn't mean you have abuse all animals while they are alive.
JonnyInfinite 1 year ago
He mentioned animals in his latest interview with Conscious Media Network.
BTNH24 1 year ago
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donze52 2 years ago
Plants are not sentient. Sentient means having perception of the senses and consciousness. All sentient creatures have an interest in living free from pain, plants on the other hand have no interest whatsoever in their treatment.
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 2 years ago
They have different chemical reactions to different stimuli, scientists have known this for ages. I saw 'The secret life of plants' as well. They do not have a brain, nervous systems, nociceptors, benzodiazepine receptors or anything that else that we associate with sentience. Nor does it make any evolutionary sense that plants would be sentient. Why would plants be given sentience when they can't react to an act that damages them?
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 2 years ago
If you care about plants, you'd go vegan, as I have.
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 1 year ago
I think it is apparent that like all other meat eaters and non-vegans who use the 'plant argument', you do not care in the least for plant life and other non-sentient organisms, and are completely refusing of any personal sacrifice to save plant or animal lives.
TheCite 1 year ago
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donze52 1 year ago
Alright, so we've established it. You don't care about the rights of plants or animals. Are you opposed to 'unnecessary' suffering being inflicted upon animals? Are you against cat and dog abuse, and support humane slaughter? Do you support animal welfare? If you support any of those 3, you acknowledge that inflicting 'unnecessary' suffering on animals is wrong. Yet killing and exploiting animals for food, clothing etc, cannot be considered necessary in ANY sense.
TheCite 1 year ago
Alright so we have established it. you dont care about the rights of plants or animals.
See I can follow the words spoken by radials on both sides.
we agree to disagree, you freely to think of me as a monster for eating meat though I do not, but you hate me for telling you not to murder plants, murder is murder, but then we both must stand before Jesus on the other side, might be interesting which he said come to me, and the other he says g I never knew you. God bless you
donze52 1 year ago
I am a vegan, I am doing far more to help plants than you. You on the other hand continue to ignore the fact that animal agriculture destroys mass numbers of plants, unnecessarily. If you cared about plants, you would become vegan. However, you obviously don't and continue to eat meat and animal products.
TheCite 1 year ago
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donze52 1 year ago
@donze52
donze52 1 year ago
@donze52 you're a fucking moron
TheDailyInformant 1 year ago
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donze52 1 year ago
In all honesty, no one believes that the act of killing a plant and an animal is morally equal. If I stepped on a flower in your garden, you might be upset. But if I snapped your dog's neck, I find it hard to believe that you'd be only equally as upset.
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 2 years ago
Animal rights to this day has occurred nowhere in the world. Far more animals are exploited in brutal and far more callous ways than ever before in history.
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 2 years ago
Why would animal rights 'move over' when all the scientific evidence tells us plants are not sentient, yet we know 100% that animals are sentient? Suppose that plants are sentient, animal rights and veganism would still be the moral baseline. For the simple fact that to produce meat, an animal needs to consume roughly 10 times more plant matter than volume it outputs in flesh. The more we care about plants, the more we want to reduce their suffering by adopting a vegan diet.
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 2 years ago
You can ignore reality as much as you want, plants are not sentient. That is a fact. Direct me to a source if you're so convinced that they are. If you care about plants, then you would go vegan, as doing so saves far more plants.
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 2 years ago
Well there's no logical reason to believe that plants are sentient, but if you want to fight for their rights, good for you. As long as you're vegan, and realise that by eating meat and animal products you are 'condemning' enormous amounts of plants to an unnecessary death.
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 2 years ago
This isn't about anyone else, this is about you. If you care so much about non-sentient lifeforms such as plants, then you would not eat meat or animal products as it is an extreme waste of plant life. To do so, clearly demonstrates that you do not care about plants at all.
TheCite 2 years ago
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donze52 2 years ago
Why do you feel the need to constantly ignore the subject? In order to produce meat, milk, eggs, wool, or whatever other animal products, an animal must eat vast, vast quantities of plant life. If you are opposed to the unnecessary killing of plants, then your first step should be to apply that ethic to your own lifestyle, by going vegan and minimalising the suffering you cause on animals, and the death you bring upon plants and other non-sentient life forms.
TheCite 2 years ago
Beautifully & persuasively spoken. What a vision! One can only hope, work and act.
michellemcalister73 2 years ago 7
I just watched flim flam 101!
sjdss 2 years ago
David Icke is truly amazing
ExposeSeduction 2 years ago 45
if there is such a thing as judgement day, and we the people of this planet stand before the creator, i hope and pray we will be tortured in ways you cant imagine for the suffering and down right sadistic crultey we have imposed on our fellow centient being on this planet, such as being fed through a wood chipper set on slow, you bunch of murdering fucks
dirkwang1 2 years ago
@dirkwang1 I hear ya
AaronJMarch 1 year ago
Wow, powerful as ever Mr Icke. I just Love this guy
1madaboutguitar 2 years ago
If all the meat produced industrally was produced in temprate wet areas the nature would improve for human habitation there without destoying the soil like in warmer places. And you open up for leaf felling trees that make good soil instead of fur trees that make the soil more acid. The warmer places should concentrate on vegan food and crops if they have big dams in that way there would be food for meateaters, like bloodtype O, who neds meat to improve health, and without destroying the earth.
BJHBNE 2 years ago
And what i said only applies to wet temperate areas not the tropics or desertlike areas, grazing animals there is not sustainable over a long time even farming without a dam is not sustainable there. If we ban meat i guess we need to deny aborignals to kill wild food too is it ethical that the animals suffer by the hand of primitive spears and bow an arrow insted of a rifle?
BJHBNE 2 years ago