Never have I read such rubbish. I believe in Feminism, I believe all people are equal but different, male and female alike. Feminism hasn't failed. The future will only be fully successful when women have an equal say, role, and respect.
Equal say...you say? Then I am glad you are against women having a "greater say" than men in abortion rights! Equal respect? Excellent! I'm doubly glad to hear you advocate against affirmative action, which encourages us to think women never earned their jobs in the first place! Tell me: how many more Feminist policies do you oppose? For being all about "equal treatment," you DO oppose these discriminatory Feminist policies, don't you, Feminist?
@morevaseret Women are not equal. Men have been and always will be superior. The only reason you are allowed to bitch is because men allowed it. Stupid men. Now the government holds your hand throughout life. If you want to see how much women need men and men don't need women watch this season of survivor. Watch the women try to leech off the men. Because they can't do anything on their own.
@TheMenstruator They are only rapists when the woman wakes up the next morning and changes her mind. If men and women were separated in society you'll see women crash and burn while men advance.
Actually, I solicited you for your signature by email, and you gladly asked me to include your name, which I did. Thanks for signing in person though. And congrats on joining the editorial staff of A Voice for Men!
Shocking facts about how the US treated Domestic Violence before the reforms of the 1970s. -- GOOGLE: "Society's Acceptance of Domestic Violence?" -- You won't believe your eyes.
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Don't bash the elder scrolls music man, I love the elder scrolls series and filled with excitment when Skyrim (The latest game in the series) comes out in less then a month from now.
"While attacking the notion and existence of male-only clubs as sexist" (7:10)
The men who actually rule the world (Bilderberg etc...) and who finance vicious destructive feminism with their dollars do have male-only clubs !!!!!!!!!
And Baron of Rotschild ,one of the minority of very rich bankers who pull the strings ,once declared that his motto for prosperous business was " No woman ,no stranger "!!!!!!!!
@Gogonostop Women crave for freedom without responsability. Hence they'll vote for socialism. Abolish the FED and women will vote it back in. Abolish the 19th amandment and Ron Paul will be president, as having the cutest butt or smile will no longer matter.
@EvilsOfFeminism LOL yea, true, but couldn't you turn it around and say that feminists and other movements such as the Suffragettes fought and won their right to vote FROM the men who denied it to them in the first place?
"Men" never denied it to women any more than women forced only men to sign the military draft. The culture did. Traditional sex roles privileged and disadvantaged both sexes, each in different ways. That culture which was created by both sexes, not just men. Look through history and you will find numerous examples of women who fought against Feminism, believing that a woman's place was in the home. All you are preaching is the same Feminist hatred of men we have heard for 40 years.
@wesmatron No. "Men" just barely got the vote. Seriously, do you have some kind of a problem with men in general? Right after men get the vote, they give it to women. Women then drastically upvote the State, Divorce, Abortion, and every other godless evil. If you think I'm going to take an undeserved crack at men (like everyone else!) for bending over backwards to please women who voted the White-Founded Nations into the Pit of Hell, you are seriously barking up the wrong tree!
@EvilsOfFeminism I count myself qualified to criticise men...I think being one gives me all the authority I need, thanks...and barking up the tree of history and fact is rarely 'the wrong tree'.
I signed with all my heart and soul. This is one woman feminism has not managed to grip in its deathly clutches. As the original signers of the Declaration of Independence said, I would give "our lives, our fortune, and our sacred honor" to repeal the last few decades. Onward!
@Gogonostop I've been along for the ride for some time mate in that regard, but only became aware of your vid this morning. I've been trying to push it those I know to come along, and sign it too. More the merrier hey :)
Please explain the section "The Vote In Conjunction With the Draft" -- are you saying that women should be required to register with Selective Service and be drafted if they re-instate the draft?
I agree with everything else you have said 100%, but I think that women should have less of a presence in the military, not more -- much like the WWII WACS and WAVES --
To anyone who doesn't know. The concept of one ups men-ship: Is that i can do it better. ex. Before civilization came about the population was based on male to female ratio. If a tribe had more males then females, there is limited number of female partners if monogamy was possible. So this leads to who gets a mate, sure there would be violence, but if a male is strong enough to fend of attackers, then how does he attract a possible mate, he can forcefully take one and risk her family. Conu
coming after him, or if he is smart enough. He can show a potential mate what he has like land, live stock, etc. His odds improve, but another could have the same things he has, and this male is also trying to attract a mate. What can they do, they can fight and possibly scary off a potential mate or they can show off their land how good it is for crops, or their animals how well they have raised them. But humans just like other animals if their brains are developed enough can come up with. conu
new ideas. So a male can paint things on his home or on his to make it more appealing, or with stone a male can come up with a lager detailing from his understanding of what he has.
So to summarize all I've said. One ups men-ship is a primary way to attract a mate( in today's world it would be money and values of said women or female.) But there is something else here and it is that one ups men-ship by reading what I've written below is that one ups men-ship is most likely how technology, art, and some other things got started.
in USA and other Western countries men and wimyn live in the same geographical position and time but men are treated dangerous aliens a hazard to the integrity of wimyn
men live under vastly differnt interprettion of laws and rules of personal conduct subsuming him to to her
this odious system extant now for the last forty years and slowly degenerating agin men as the feminit hegemony roles on after each misandrist statute is enacted in Congress and ratified by the President :(
But fair play to men working in groups to discuss challenging notions of male identity. I am all for that. Men are generally in an identity crises nowadays.
Now that they can no longer rely on merely defining themselves on the success or failure of violent domination of the other half of the human race.
Hmm...gonna have to disagree; I understand it is not meant toward me personally, but I have to check Feminist propaganda where I see it.
Previous forms of "patriarchy" dominated men with violence first and foremost (women were virtually never involved in war). In addition, wifebeating has always been illegal in the U.S.; the Rule of Thumb was an aberration used in only about 5 cases by a few rogue judges.
The traditional male role is to protect. Wifebeating is an aberration.
Furthermore, the word "patriarchy" itself is a little flawed, for it implies male *class* power. Women had a few class privileges (immunity from debt/prosection - they were above the law, essentially - as well as some others), just as men had a few. They were each comparatively advantaged in their own ways.
I hold that if "a system of male power" systematically renders men powerless, it's not a system of male power to begin with.
Thus, "patriarchy" to me is rather a misguided belief at best, a Feminist lie at worst. For every one man at the top of society, there were ten men at the bottom. That's not male *class* power, which is what Feminists always imply when they use the word "patriarchy."
Just as you said to me, I don't mean this personally, but I just don't buy into the whole patriarchy thing.
Immunity from debt because they could not take out credit.
Immune from prosecution because they were not recnognized in law as a legal personage. Like child or perhaps more like a domesticated animal. Property.
You might see this as being above the law. I think that is a very generous description.
Women had less rights, & also less responsibilities. I think both sexes were treated like the property. Example: women lived off the husband's labor, & not just because they were denied jobs; on the contrary, the majority of the work was brutal, filthy, and deadly - especially to women. His property - earned by his heavy bodily labor - became hers.
Feminist theory replaces Marx's philosophy of economic exploitation w/sexual exploitation. But for men, they don't need to replace anything...it's just economic subordination to female sexuality. It is, if you'll pardon the expression, "Marxism Unmodified" (I'm sure you know what Feminism Unmodified is).
Both sexes were subordinated to each other, and both sexes were liberated by the same thing: technology. To assume only one sex was subordinated is missing the other half of the equation.
Patriarchy did dominate other men also. Feminisim theorizes that Patriarchy rests on a hierarchy of male roles. How there is always an 'other' which which to define yourself against. Feminism notices that this 'other' is often defined in 'feminine' terms.
E.G The British Empire considered the men of East 'Effeminate, sensual pleasure loving'.
In some old America movies Black males are depicted with high pitched voices, big eyes, adopting submissive postures etc.
"In some old America movies Black males are depicted with high pitched voices, big eyes, adopting submissive postures etc."
Well, this is, again, an aberration, and hardly a norm. White male eunuchs were castrated before painkillers existed. That kind of gendering - to retain a female high voice is not a male privilege.
By "other" you seem to mean "victim." Feminism notices what it wants, since it cherry-picks everything to comport with its worldview.
It says nothing at all about attitudes, don't be so simple.
Would you like it if i called you a dog instead of a person? Not to say that dogs are comparable to women...but.... those practices were used to humiliate and undermine people by denying them their IDENTITY as a form of punishment. When you are treated like something you are not, for example a traitor when you are a patriot, it strikes a blow to your emotions and your own respectability, on top of being someones bitch. follow?
I'm not sure where you're drawing this from, that they were treated as women per se, except in that they retained their higher voices. Perhaps you can say that they acquired what was then termed to be a feminine "role" that precluded status-seeking.
I suspect that you would reply by saying that those roles were oppressive, which I would disagree with by saying that the roles were just suited for the time, and were outdated later.
"I suspect that you would reply by saying that those roles were oppressive, which I would disagree with by saying that the roles were just suited for the time, and were outdated later"
But that kind of cultural relativism has its roots in postmodernism would'nt you say?
And again, I don't see how the vast majority of men being dominated by a few is male *class* power/privilege, which is what Feminists are always arguing. So even if Feminism claims to sympathize, they really do not. Society is kinda more like bee/ant colonies: there's the queen bee, who remains always in the most comfortable and protected sector of society, and then there's a hierarchy of males, that serve her needs.
I would like some kind of source to show women working in coalmines as the norm (one obtained online, preferably). But regardless, in general, throughout history, men have done the more demanding work. You can point to a singular instance in time, but as we learn in economics, a single data point is not a trend.
In many areas it is even a protected right of a man to be able to beat his wife.
But you know; if there was no wife beating in the West say in the U.K or America, why would there be laws against it? Why would women be talking about it?
And I should also remind you: just as under Sharia law men are allowed to beat their husbands, under Feminist Jurisprudence women are allowed to beat their husbands.
I agree. The male role originally was, in social circles and families, to protect and to support the female, who is physically...weaker. It's an unavoidable fact of human nature and biology...
Who ever said all women were "innocent little flowers"? Black or with, man or woman; we're all just people. People are animals. It shouldn't be shocking that a woman would kill.
Infact, we should be drafted just like men. It pisses me off that were not. Equal rights my ass...
@Eriefire I know a responsible young lady like yourself. We need more of you. The truth is that such things as using women as cannon fodder could never last indefinitely, but it would certainly establish very clearly why men and women are not the same and why our ancestors all did things with respect for ladies and gentlemen. We need to unlock from this state of hypocrisy and favoritism and it would fix itself.
We'll probably never know how many women inventors there were. That's because in the early years of the United States, a woman could not get a patent in her own name. A patent is considered a kind of property, and until the late 1800s laws forbade women in most states from owning property or entering into legal agreements in their own names. Instead, a woman's property would be in the name of her father or husband.
xm377 and Somethingreallycool were arguing about the usually stuff the happens around MRA vids and Somethingreallycool send me some massages that i think were for xm377.
If you hate how feminists hate men, start with the first step: get rid of your own implicit negative stereoptypes. You are responsible for that. Not the manipulative, horrible, feminist "bitches" you met in your life. No one is responsible but you.
I fucking know about classical condition and little Albert. That has nothing to do with hatred or out-group biases at all. Classical condition is when a Conditioned Stimulus results in a Conditioned Response.
Your having a hatred for women has NOTHING to do with behavioural psychology. It is a conscious choice. If you feel you negative implicit feelings towards women, it is your responsibility to fix them and they can be fixed.
I have negative feelings toward women but does this mean i hate women.
No it doesn't.
Also when mx377 "I have a hatred and suspicion of all women now." I'm pretty sure he meant those women who are just not making sense and using old reasoning that are obsolete.
That is rude calling me sexist scum. Would you be kind enough to apologize. And calm down if you please. Also try and see trying from are perspective instead of just getting angry.
I try to understand the sexist point of view, I try to understand the white supremacist point of view, I try to understand the anti-male point of view, but they all come down to ignorance. Hatred crosses the line. It is wrong by any standard.
Do one at a time. It saves you from most the stress of it. And don't take this words with a grain of salt. I know this from experience. Also ignorance only comes to those who can't or are not willing to try and find common ground.
Well generalizing to hate something I'm familiar with. and I've also learned how to focus that hate on to traits cause my fury. So it also help to not harm those who have done no wrong to you.
Well I think xm377 hatred is direct at the wrong group, but it doesn't mean that xm377 is a women hater or have a reason to hate women. I dislike those who don't know what they are talking about. But your least comment shows your letting your anger get the better of you or your just being narrow minded.
hm... your right, but I see in your commit that you point that we can blame companies also for the destruction of the family as well and feminism was a tool to be use. Let me know if i miss interpreted anything.
I can't believe you're actually trying to defend what you said. Disgusting.
That's still not an excuse for having a hatred of women. You can try to justify it under some evolutionary backdrop as much as you want, but hatred and ignorance have led and will lead to destruction of our species in the long run. One prominent biologist said we have 300,000 left on this planet. Do you know why? Because we keep killing each other.
I don't think hatred is a necessary part of human consciousness. Children do not hate. They are completely void of hatred. We are taught to hate others. Even if it is true that people "pretend to be accepting of everything", that doesn't make hatred okay. We need to learn to tolerate each other. We're all going to the same place, in the end.
If the genders of are species only knew how to tolerate other. You might well build a wall around the world and put each gender on a different side so there is peace not a false peace. To tolerate something only works as long as willing too if not are species is screwed.
If this sort of rhetoric would be used to defend the reason why an individual is "hateful and suspicious" of black people, there would be an outcry. And replacing it with women is no different.
Well, I guess you need to define "masculine" and "womanly woman". And that's very difficult to do.
Personally, I don't think your parents' gender has anything to do with a child's well being. I don't think children of same-sex couples are psychologically damaged. I think it depends on how to teach your children to be thoughtful, compassionate, intelligent, proud and happy that matters. And that's based on a good amount of research.
Never have I read such rubbish. I believe in Feminism, I believe all people are equal but different, male and female alike. Feminism hasn't failed. The future will only be fully successful when women have an equal say, role, and respect.
morevaseret 1 month ago
@morevaseret
Equal say...you say? Then I am glad you are against women having a "greater say" than men in abortion rights! Equal respect? Excellent! I'm doubly glad to hear you advocate against affirmative action, which encourages us to think women never earned their jobs in the first place! Tell me: how many more Feminist policies do you oppose? For being all about "equal treatment," you DO oppose these discriminatory Feminist policies, don't you, Feminist?
Of course you do :D
Gogonostop 1 month ago
@morevaseret Women are not equal. Men have been and always will be superior. The only reason you are allowed to bitch is because men allowed it. Stupid men. Now the government holds your hand throughout life. If you want to see how much women need men and men don't need women watch this season of survivor. Watch the women try to leech off the men. Because they can't do anything on their own.
Bisquack 22 hours ago
Beautiful music and message, very well done.
lillie1990am 1 month ago
All men are rapists and should be seperated from good society.
TheMenstruator 2 months ago
@TheMenstruator They are only rapists when the woman wakes up the next morning and changes her mind. If men and women were separated in society you'll see women crash and burn while men advance.
Bisquack 22 hours ago
I'll sign this
UndertakerMickieFan 2 months ago
Sign me up. Down with feminism (and feminists).
BobbyL5757 3 months ago
I think I signed this before, when it first came out, but here... I will sign it again just to make sure.
fidelbogen 3 months ago
@fidelbogen
Actually, I solicited you for your signature by email, and you gladly asked me to include your name, which I did. Thanks for signing in person though. And congrats on joining the editorial staff of A Voice for Men!
Gogonostop 3 months ago
Setting mankind free from Feminism once for all would be a giant step towards wisdom and justice.
framboise595 3 months ago
Signed with conviction. Hope this is the start of something big.
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genderpolitik 4 months ago
Don't bash the elder scrolls music man, I love the elder scrolls series and filled with excitment when Skyrim (The latest game in the series) comes out in less then a month from now.
ManSpeakOut 4 months ago
I will sign this declaration.
freemanian2027 5 months ago
Signed!
Tweenythepriest 6 months ago
Signed!
BlissInTheAbyss 6 months ago
Signed!
JesusManson323 7 months ago
"While attacking the notion and existence of male-only clubs as sexist" (7:10)
The men who actually rule the world (Bilderberg etc...) and who finance vicious destructive feminism with their dollars do have male-only clubs !!!!!!!!!
And Baron of Rotschild ,one of the minority of very rich bankers who pull the strings ,once declared that his motto for prosperous business was " No woman ,no stranger "!!!!!!!!
No comment.
framboise595 8 months ago 2
Randy Break, of California, wishes to add his signature. Welcome to the non-Feminist revolution!
Gogonostop 8 months ago
James Williams, of England, sends me his wish via email to add his signature!
Gogonostop 8 months ago
Signed
joker52mlb 8 months ago
Signed!
SelfDisgust 9 months ago
Signed!
nezuminico 10 months ago
Signed!
DumblyBrilliant 10 months ago
Signed!
alarmealarme 10 months ago
Signed
MrEvilPenis 10 months ago
I'm a female and gladly willing to sign!
AbsintheGlasses 10 months ago
I know its a moot point, however, this song is the theme for Morrowind and not "The Mummer's Dance" by Loreena McKennitt.
mrhumantis 10 months ago
@mrhumantis
Hmm? There are two songs in this video.
Gogonostop 10 months ago
@Gogonostop Women crave for freedom without responsability. Hence they'll vote for socialism. Abolish the FED and women will vote it back in. Abolish the 19th amandment and Ron Paul will be president, as having the cutest butt or smile will no longer matter.
PJCelis 10 months ago
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PJCelis 10 months ago
@PJCelis
Hmm, can't say I agree with that in particular.
Gogonostop 10 months ago
@PJCelis Women didn't get the right to vote from feminists. They got it from men. Nice try, though.
EvilsOfFeminism 7 months ago
@EvilsOfFeminism LOL yea, true, but couldn't you turn it around and say that feminists and other movements such as the Suffragettes fought and won their right to vote FROM the men who denied it to them in the first place?
wesmatron 5 months ago
@ wesmatron
"Men" never denied it to women any more than women forced only men to sign the military draft. The culture did. Traditional sex roles privileged and disadvantaged both sexes, each in different ways. That culture which was created by both sexes, not just men. Look through history and you will find numerous examples of women who fought against Feminism, believing that a woman's place was in the home. All you are preaching is the same Feminist hatred of men we have heard for 40 years.
Gogonostop 5 months ago 4
@Gogonostop Knowing the shortcomings of ourselves is what has helped us grow.
wesmatron 5 months ago
@wesmatron
The feeling is mutual.
Gogonostop 5 months ago
@wesmatron No. "Men" just barely got the vote. Seriously, do you have some kind of a problem with men in general? Right after men get the vote, they give it to women. Women then drastically upvote the State, Divorce, Abortion, and every other godless evil. If you think I'm going to take an undeserved crack at men (like everyone else!) for bending over backwards to please women who voted the White-Founded Nations into the Pit of Hell, you are seriously barking up the wrong tree!
EvilsOfFeminism 4 months ago
@EvilsOfFeminism I count myself qualified to criticise men...I think being one gives me all the authority I need, thanks...and barking up the tree of history and fact is rarely 'the wrong tree'.
wesmatron 4 months ago
@PJCelis
No. That's not what this video is about.
Gogonostop 5 months ago
Done deal. Where's my pen?
Signed!
digiviceboy 10 months ago
signed
uirukun 10 months ago
Signed!
ytmachx 10 months ago
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padsterp 10 months ago
Signed.
BoethianAcolyte 10 months ago
Signed!
RockingMrE 10 months ago
Signed! Also Morrowind rules
LeftoverJedi 10 months ago
Signed!
What are the tracks used in the clip, can you tell me plz?
cr4yv3n 10 months ago
@cr4yv3n I can't beleive this but it's from a game called Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind
LeftoverJedi 10 months ago
As much as I hate propaghanda music, I'll sign it. And I'll admit, the music was really good!
ARVNpistola313 10 months ago
@ARVNpistola313 It's from Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind
LeftoverJedi 10 months ago
@LeftoverJedi
Thanks!
ARVNpistola313 10 months ago
I signed with all my heart and soul. This is one woman feminism has not managed to grip in its deathly clutches. As the original signers of the Declaration of Independence said, I would give "our lives, our fortune, and our sacred honor" to repeal the last few decades. Onward!
christy0misty 11 months ago 8
signed with passion
padsterp 11 months ago
@padsterp
Welcome to the Non-Feminist revolution!
Gogonostop 11 months ago
@Gogonostop I've been along for the ride for some time mate in that regard, but only became aware of your vid this morning. I've been trying to push it those I know to come along, and sign it too. More the merrier hey :)
padsterp 11 months ago
signed!
dreLrock 1 year ago
signed
taogarrett 1 year ago
signed
yourchristopher6334 1 year ago
Signed!
FerretBox 1 year ago
signed!
dbzfred 1 year ago
This Declaration was written by husband of Abigail "Nabby" Adams Smith ...Looks like it...
svyblov 1 year ago
Signed
vbritsi 1 year ago
Signed
dalriada842 1 year ago
Signed
Xeonxtreme 1 year ago
awesome video, signed!
rockstar08876 1 year ago
Never thought I'd see the day when advertisers are telling men to get up and be men. The tide has turned.
ANTIDALLARD 1 year ago
signed
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
Signed
oralyon 1 year ago
signed
markyboy507 1 year ago
Signed.
trifelgeputinage 1 year ago
Signed
BobbyL5757 1 year ago
never sign contract s with wimyn that way you don't have to sign later to become independent of them ahahh
shazam20007 1 year ago
signed.
KnightFrank 1 year ago
Please explain the section "The Vote In Conjunction With the Draft" -- are you saying that women should be required to register with Selective Service and be drafted if they re-instate the draft?
I agree with everything else you have said 100%, but I think that women should have less of a presence in the military, not more -- much like the WWII WACS and WAVES --
KarenBee09 2 years ago
5 stars, excellent video!!!!!
Keep up the GOOD WORK!!!
Tubo430 2 years ago
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ghostrider481 2 years ago
To anyone who doesn't know. The concept of one ups men-ship: Is that i can do it better. ex. Before civilization came about the population was based on male to female ratio. If a tribe had more males then females, there is limited number of female partners if monogamy was possible. So this leads to who gets a mate, sure there would be violence, but if a male is strong enough to fend of attackers, then how does he attract a possible mate, he can forcefully take one and risk her family. Conu
ghostrider481 2 years ago
coming after him, or if he is smart enough. He can show a potential mate what he has like land, live stock, etc. His odds improve, but another could have the same things he has, and this male is also trying to attract a mate. What can they do, they can fight and possibly scary off a potential mate or they can show off their land how good it is for crops, or their animals how well they have raised them. But humans just like other animals if their brains are developed enough can come up with. conu
ghostrider481 2 years ago
new ideas. So a male can paint things on his home or on his to make it more appealing, or with stone a male can come up with a lager detailing from his understanding of what he has.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
So to summarize all I've said. One ups men-ship is a primary way to attract a mate( in today's world it would be money and values of said women or female.) But there is something else here and it is that one ups men-ship by reading what I've written below is that one ups men-ship is most likely how technology, art, and some other things got started.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
Disclaimer: the concept of one ups men-ship is not may idea , but i thought is should share it with everyone.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
in USA and other Western countries men and wimyn live in the same geographical position and time but men are treated dangerous aliens a hazard to the integrity of wimyn
men live under vastly differnt interprettion of laws and rules of personal conduct subsuming him to to her
this odious system extant now for the last forty years and slowly degenerating agin men as the feminit hegemony roles on after each misandrist statute is enacted in Congress and ratified by the President :(
shazam20007 2 years ago
I sign on this dude. You bring up good points ^^ More power to ya'.
restlesspride666 2 years ago
I never sign anything if I can help it:)
But fair play to men working in groups to discuss challenging notions of male identity. I am all for that. Men are generally in an identity crises nowadays.
Now that they can no longer rely on merely defining themselves on the success or failure of violent domination of the other half of the human race.
Well done that man!
rudderandrock 2 years ago
"Now that they can no longer rely on merely defining themselves on the success or failure of violent domination of the other half of the human race."
Dominating women with violence was the traditional definition of masculinity? Just making sure I'm reading that comment right.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Dominating women backed with violence, whether in actuality or by the threat of.
I believe this is truthful, yes.
BTW this is not directed at you personally, or American males but a global system of Patriarchy.
rudderandrock 2 years ago
Hmm...gonna have to disagree; I understand it is not meant toward me personally, but I have to check Feminist propaganda where I see it.
Previous forms of "patriarchy" dominated men with violence first and foremost (women were virtually never involved in war). In addition, wifebeating has always been illegal in the U.S.; the Rule of Thumb was an aberration used in only about 5 cases by a few rogue judges.
The traditional male role is to protect. Wifebeating is an aberration.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Furthermore, the word "patriarchy" itself is a little flawed, for it implies male *class* power. Women had a few class privileges (immunity from debt/prosection - they were above the law, essentially - as well as some others), just as men had a few. They were each comparatively advantaged in their own ways.
I hold that if "a system of male power" systematically renders men powerless, it's not a system of male power to begin with.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Thus, "patriarchy" to me is rather a misguided belief at best, a Feminist lie at worst. For every one man at the top of society, there were ten men at the bottom. That's not male *class* power, which is what Feminists always imply when they use the word "patriarchy."
Just as you said to me, I don't mean this personally, but I just don't buy into the whole patriarchy thing.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
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"For every one man at the top of society, there were ten men at the bottom"
and where were the women?
rudderandrock 2 years ago
Surely this is semantic.
Immunity from debt because they could not take out credit.
Immune from prosecution because they were not recnognized in law as a legal personage. Like child or perhaps more like a domesticated animal. Property.
You might see this as being above the law. I think that is a very generous description.
rudderandrock 2 years ago
They often had access to their partner's $
Women had less rights, & also less responsibilities. I think both sexes were treated like the property. Example: women lived off the husband's labor, & not just because they were denied jobs; on the contrary, the majority of the work was brutal, filthy, and deadly - especially to women. His property - earned by his heavy bodily labor - became hers.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Feminist theory replaces Marx's philosophy of economic exploitation w/sexual exploitation. But for men, they don't need to replace anything...it's just economic subordination to female sexuality. It is, if you'll pardon the expression, "Marxism Unmodified" (I'm sure you know what Feminism Unmodified is).
Both sexes were subordinated to each other, and both sexes were liberated by the same thing: technology. To assume only one sex was subordinated is missing the other half of the equation.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Patriarchy did dominate other men also. Feminisim theorizes that Patriarchy rests on a hierarchy of male roles. How there is always an 'other' which which to define yourself against. Feminism notices that this 'other' is often defined in 'feminine' terms.
E.G The British Empire considered the men of East 'Effeminate, sensual pleasure loving'.
In some old America movies Black males are depicted with high pitched voices, big eyes, adopting submissive postures etc.
rudderandrock 2 years ago
"In some old America movies Black males are depicted with high pitched voices, big eyes, adopting submissive postures etc."
Well, this is, again, an aberration, and hardly a norm. White male eunuchs were castrated before painkillers existed. That kind of gendering - to retain a female high voice is not a male privilege.
By "other" you seem to mean "victim." Feminism notices what it wants, since it cherry-picks everything to comport with its worldview.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Small boys were 'feminized'.
Eunuchs were thought of and treated as 'women'. Not as men who had been mutliated.
To me I cannot see how this disproves feminism.
To dominate, or lessen, reduce another man; other men 'feminize' him.
What does this say about their attitudes to women?
rudderandrock 2 years ago
It says nothing at all about attitudes, don't be so simple.
Would you like it if i called you a dog instead of a person? Not to say that dogs are comparable to women...but.... those practices were used to humiliate and undermine people by denying them their IDENTITY as a form of punishment. When you are treated like something you are not, for example a traitor when you are a patriot, it strikes a blow to your emotions and your own respectability, on top of being someones bitch. follow?
restlesspride666 2 years ago
What is being someone's bitch?
rudderandrock 2 years ago
"Eunuchs were thought of and treated as women."
I'm not sure where you're drawing this from, that they were treated as women per se, except in that they retained their higher voices. Perhaps you can say that they acquired what was then termed to be a feminine "role" that precluded status-seeking.
I suspect that you would reply by saying that those roles were oppressive, which I would disagree with by saying that the roles were just suited for the time, and were outdated later.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
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"I suspect that you would reply by saying that those roles were oppressive, which I would disagree with by saying that the roles were just suited for the time, and were outdated later"
But that kind of cultural relativism has its roots in postmodernism would'nt you say?
rudderandrock 2 years ago
And again, I don't see how the vast majority of men being dominated by a few is male *class* power/privilege, which is what Feminists are always arguing. So even if Feminism claims to sympathize, they really do not. Society is kinda more like bee/ant colonies: there's the queen bee, who remains always in the most comfortable and protected sector of society, and then there's a hierarchy of males, that serve her needs.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Who is this queen bee?
I would like to apply for the post...:)
Seriously womens domestication is a fairly recent phenemenon.
My own female ancestors in England used to work in coal mine. They worked in Brick yards, from a young age. Made nails.
rudderandrock 2 years ago
I would like some kind of source to show women working in coalmines as the norm (one obtained online, preferably). But regardless, in general, throughout history, men have done the more demanding work. You can point to a singular instance in time, but as we learn in economics, a single data point is not a trend.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Wife beating is common all over the world.
In many areas it is even a protected right of a man to be able to beat his wife.
But you know; if there was no wife beating in the West say in the U.K or America, why would there be laws against it? Why would women be talking about it?
rudderandrock 2 years ago
"Wife beating is common all over the world."
Word is, so is husband beating. But it's not the norm.
"In many areas it is even a protected right of a man to be able to beat his wife."
Sharia law, yes.
"But you know; if there was no wife beating in the West say in the U.K or America, why would there be laws against it?"
Not sure I understand your point here. What argument are you trying to make with this?
Gogonostop 2 years ago
And I should also remind you: just as under Sharia law men are allowed to beat their husbands, under Feminist Jurisprudence women are allowed to beat their husbands.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
"but I have to check Feminist propaganda where I see it."
That's what I'm talkin bout.
Jmnzz 2 years ago
I agree. The male role originally was, in social circles and families, to protect and to support the female, who is physically...weaker. It's an unavoidable fact of human nature and biology...
restlesspride666 2 years ago
I'm in!
booooboooo2010 2 years ago
Awesomeness.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
I'm female and I'll gladly sign.
Um, is there any info I have to provide, other than just writing "signed"?
WyldFire777 2 years ago 12
Nope, that's it!
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Who ever said all women were "innocent little flowers"? Black or with, man or woman; we're all just people. People are animals. It shouldn't be shocking that a woman would kill.
Infact, we should be drafted just like men. It pisses me off that were not. Equal rights my ass...
Eriefire 2 years ago 10
@Eriefire I know a responsible young lady like yourself. We need more of you. The truth is that such things as using women as cannon fodder could never last indefinitely, but it would certainly establish very clearly why men and women are not the same and why our ancestors all did things with respect for ladies and gentlemen. We need to unlock from this state of hypocrisy and favoritism and it would fix itself.
EvilsOfFeminism 7 months ago
We'll probably never know how many women inventors there were. That's because in the early years of the United States, a woman could not get a patent in her own name. A patent is considered a kind of property, and until the late 1800s laws forbade women in most states from owning property or entering into legal agreements in their own names. Instead, a woman's property would be in the name of her father or husband.
Eriefire 2 years ago
Please Sis,
no facts or logic.
Their poor brains might explode..:):):)
rudderandrock 2 years ago
Why is Morrowind music in this? LOL
fartsahoy 2 years ago
lol, 'cause it just fit, I guess. Or at least, it does for me. Betcha didn't expect it though! :D
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Yeah, it is a good song. lol And I would have never expected to see music from an RPG game in this. XD
fartsahoy 2 years ago
I'm going be confused now
ghostrider481 2 years ago
About what?
Gogonostop 2 years ago
@Gogonostop
xm377 and Somethingreallycool were arguing about the usually stuff the happens around MRA vids and Somethingreallycool send me some massages that i think were for xm377.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
Ah ok.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
@Gogonostop
BTW great video. the music is brilliant.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
Thank you.
Also, I hope that for everyone the letters were not too thin and wiry to read with at least a moderately focused eye.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
I agree.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
At least I don't have a hatred for 50% of the population because of their chromosome. ^_^
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
You admitted you hate women today.
That's the first step.
You can cry now.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
You said "all women".
I'm not wrong, you're changing your words around yet again.
Hate who you want. It'll only attract more hatred.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
FUCK sexism.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Sorry, how many women's studies classes have you taken?
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
It still doesn't change who you really are.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
A sexist is a person who hates someone according to their sex.
You said you have a hatred for all women.
You are a sexist.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
I do live in reality.
I know what hatred has done to humanity. And you're adding on to it.
You have a hatred for all women? What kind of reality, sir, do YOU live in?
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
What about the people who have been causing danger to this planet?
War, torture, firearms...ALL MEN!
Do you see how your logic is bullshit? Obviously not all men caused these. Obviously women have contributed to both science, agriculture, ..fire?
So men are somehow superior to women now?
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
And what about the people who gave birth to these men?
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Okay,
so I "sort" have hatred and suspicion towards all black people.
Give me a fucking break.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
You're a sexist and this has been show in your comment. Disgusting.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
If you hate how feminists hate men, start with the first step: get rid of your own implicit negative stereoptypes. You are responsible for that. Not the manipulative, horrible, feminist "bitches" you met in your life. No one is responsible but you.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Women don't choose to be women. You are hating someone based on something they cannot change, and that is plain and simple WRONG.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
If you want to be an anti-feminist, fine. Do that. It's your freedom.
But saying that you "sort of hate women" reflects very badly on you and the MRA movement. You're no better than Andrea Dworkin.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
I fucking know about classical condition and little Albert. That has nothing to do with hatred or out-group biases at all. Classical condition is when a Conditioned Stimulus results in a Conditioned Response.
Your having a hatred for women has NOTHING to do with behavioural psychology. It is a conscious choice. If you feel you negative implicit feelings towards women, it is your responsibility to fix them and they can be fixed.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
I have negative feelings toward women but does this mean i hate women.
No it doesn't.
Also when mx377 "I have a hatred and suspicion of all women now." I'm pretty sure he meant those women who are just not making sense and using old reasoning that are obsolete.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
I wasn't talking about you. I was addressing the other fellow.
Let him defend himself. My god. How more clear can you be? HE SAID "ALL WOMEN". Are you reading the same thing as me?
Sexist scum.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
If Andrea Dworking says, "I have a hatred for all men," she's being a feminist bitch, right?
But when xm says the same thing about women, you interpret it, "well...I'm pretty sure he was talking about a certain KIND of women."
No. He said 'all women'. And you know he did. And it's dead wrong.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
That is rude calling me sexist scum. Would you be kind enough to apologize. And calm down if you please. Also try and see trying from are perspective instead of just getting angry.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
Not you, xm.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
I try to understand the sexist point of view, I try to understand the white supremacist point of view, I try to understand the anti-male point of view, but they all come down to ignorance. Hatred crosses the line. It is wrong by any standard.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Do one at a time. It saves you from most the stress of it. And don't take this words with a grain of salt. I know this from experience. Also ignorance only comes to those who can't or are not willing to try and find common ground.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
Then don't bitch about "anti-male feminist quotes".
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
"I have a hatred and suspicion of all women now"
"I don't outright hate all women"
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Well, it's nice to see you're doing the right thing by hating women. I'm sure that'll fix things right up. That you for contributing.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
I agree the college ones are the worse. And
Somethingreallycool needs open their mind. and by these two things are all I can really say at this point. Because I'm more less in the same boat.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
I need to open my mind?
He just said he has a hatred for women.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Are you listening to yourself?
Hatred is WRONG. Are we really arguing this?
It is WRONG. Any form of it is DESTRUCTIVE. Any form of it will lead to DISCRIMINATION. Any for of it is DISGUSTING.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Well generalizing to hate something I'm familiar with. and I've also learned how to focus that hate on to traits cause my fury. So it also help to not harm those who have done no wrong to you.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
And wihch women are you representing? How can you speak for 50 per cent of the population that you yourself said you have a hatred for?
You lost your credibility a long time ago. Woman-hater.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Well I think xm377 hatred is direct at the wrong group, but it doesn't mean that xm377 is a women hater or have a reason to hate women. I dislike those who don't know what they are talking about. But your least comment shows your letting your anger get the better of you or your just being narrow minded.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
Let me repeat YOUR WORDS.
"I have a sort of hatred and suspicion of all women now"
How the FUCK can I make those words POSSIBLY SOUND WORSE?
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
hm... your right, but I see in your commit that you point that we can blame companies also for the destruction of the family as well and feminism was a tool to be use. Let me know if i miss interpreted anything.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
Well congratulations, you're doing exactly what you accuse the feminists of.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
I can't believe you're actually trying to defend what you said. Disgusting.
That's still not an excuse for having a hatred of women. You can try to justify it under some evolutionary backdrop as much as you want, but hatred and ignorance have led and will lead to destruction of our species in the long run. One prominent biologist said we have 300,000 left on this planet. Do you know why? Because we keep killing each other.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
I don't think hatred is a necessary part of human consciousness. Children do not hate. They are completely void of hatred. We are taught to hate others. Even if it is true that people "pretend to be accepting of everything", that doesn't make hatred okay. We need to learn to tolerate each other. We're all going to the same place, in the end.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
If the genders of are species only knew how to tolerate other. You might well build a wall around the world and put each gender on a different side so there is peace not a false peace. To tolerate something only works as long as willing too if not are species is screwed.
ghostrider481 2 years ago
If this sort of rhetoric would be used to defend the reason why an individual is "hateful and suspicious" of black people, there would be an outcry. And replacing it with women is no different.
Hatred breeds hatred breeds hatred breeds...
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
You're right, it's a natural instinct.
But it's not an excuse.
You decide who you hate. No one else. You do.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
To "have a sort of hatred and suspicion of all women".
That's not right.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
Well, I guess you need to define "masculine" and "womanly woman". And that's very difficult to do.
Personally, I don't think your parents' gender has anything to do with a child's well being. I don't think children of same-sex couples are psychologically damaged. I think it depends on how to teach your children to be thoughtful, compassionate, intelligent, proud and happy that matters. And that's based on a good amount of research.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago