HST Power Car Start Up 43156 Paxman Valenta 15/09/06

[1ns4ne1d10t]

my90tp - Us class 43 fans don't go on to XPT video's telling you Aussies how much better ours is. Mind you its true what they say about Aussies and Americans both being arrogant and cultureless. The 43 must have been such a good train it was obviously heard about all over the world which spurred you on to comment on the video. I've never heard of an XPT until you mentioned it. Says a lot about the XPT because I havn't heard about it so it must be an absolute pile of... *Censored*

[my90tp]

@1ns4ne1d10t What part of I DONT CARE dont you understand. There is a clear Difference,

1) Our cityrail suburban network is only limited to 80kp/h with the exception of the express between penrith and blacktown which does 160kp/h.

2) the XPT (Countrylink) is a long haul train degined to travel from Sydney to melbourne and brisbane, I'll let you continue to boost your ego and say your system is better. Blah blah blah I dont give a shit a trains a train blah blah blah blah

[my90tp]

also forgot to mention evan against the modern warratah trains the power car o the XPT is still lighter then 1 warratah power car, XPT 40.2, Warratah is 48.7 tonne which was only put into service this year the XPT was launched in 1982 and it has a record of 193kph where as the brand new warratah has a max flat out speed of 130kp/h so the XPT was based on the HST but built to suit Australian hot and dusty conditions and poor track and runs a dream

[my90tp]

Trust Us Aussies to take an existing design and make it better, Take 1 HST design take the basic shape chck out the rest, bigger radiator's better brakes, it gets up and around the steep and bendy stuff (1 in 33 grades) and it is also Lighter then the HST (HST 70.2 tonne, XPT 40.2 tonne 30 tonne lighter 60 in total which enables an extra car to take it from a 8 - 9 car service 2 power cars 7 passanger cars including a sleeper / day sitter and buffet car) The XPT's will chomp the HST's easily

[macthewesty]

@my90tp

Wrong... The weight of a XPT power car is 76 tonnes which is actually 3 tonnes heavier than the british HST. The XPT was never going to be 30 tonnes lighter when it uses the same chassis construction??!!! Also XPT engines were limited to 2000 BHP where as British HST run at 2250 BHP. This gives more power to the motors. Bogies and brakes are identical to the British version too...... Probably because we designed it!

[my90tp]

@macthewesty may I suggest some research The HST design had to be significantly modified, with the power cars becoming shorter, look up the "XPT by COMENG" series on youtube theres 3 parts it has a very high power to weight ratio, a complete HST transported to Sydney would never get over the first gradient let alone stay on our Miandering track it was a basic complete redesign around the Original concept, plus the engine had to be done to suit our ambiant temp's and altitudes it's used on

[my90tp]

@macthewesty also the 30 tonne less is on the overall weight not just one car, The Bogies yes are British designed but also required major modification for our tracks the power car is actually 72 tonne mass according to COMENG (and theres no need to think your supirior to us Aussie's I'm half brithish aswell so I can bark back just as bad) Plus I'll actually get my mate who works for countrylink to grab the exact specs for it and see how you like those brownies

[macthewesty]

@my90tp to quote your statement "and it is also Lighter then the HST (HST 70.2 tonne, XPT 40.2 tonne 30 tonne lighter"

The specs are on the net. Never said we were superior anywhere. It's good that the HST and XPT are still used today and long may it continue.

[my90tp]

@macthewesty WELL EXCUSE ME FOR BEING HUMAN AND MAKING A MISTAKE and reading the wrong line of the sleeper car not the power car. jees louise you make one mistake. But all I can tell you now it may be based on the HST but Side by Side by side the HST may have more power but I prefer the XPT's Nose atleast we know there safe check out "StateRail 1982 XPT minor crash and if that's a minor crash for the XPT then dam I'll admit this is a convict colony (boats arrive regulary asylim seekers)

[1ns4ne1d10t]

@my90tp I often search the web and look around the world for Austrailian, Chinese and American equivalents which look and sound better than ours. Saw the XPT and I realised what an ugly heap yours is to ours. Squeaky, rattly, noisy and the coaches don't even match the locomotives, sorry but its a dogs dinner. Ugly little circular spot lights below the nose and chrome cars that don't match it all looks so makeshift. Thank god we hid the horns and made a much tidier locomotive than you did.

[my90tp]

@1ns4ne1d10t The XPT wasnt built to be a style Statment it was engineered to tackle the 1 in 33 grades and curves as sharp as 8 chains (160 metres) in all fairness it's only had interior refurbs since introduction in 1982 and general maintnance and there not chrome there stainless steel. It was done to run on Australian tracks and Design regulations not to your liking, I've been on the XPT several times and it dont rattle on the interior

[1ns4ne1d10t]

@my90tp I didn't say it rattles on the interior, It rattles and squeaks on the exterior which is what a class 43 doesn't do and I did notice that about the XPT. Nice try but its not as well built as our HST, we clearly had the refinement nailed in 1976 and in 1982 you guys were six years ahead of it and you still couldn't beat the refinement or the build of an older UK train. The XPT comes close but not close enough bit like the Russians and their Tu144 (Concorde copy).

[my90tp]

@1ns4ne1d10t Do I really care??? NO!! This is Australia not the freaking UK get over it our tracks are limited to 140kp/h (some rare spots are 160kp/h) up and down the east coast where they operate between melbourne - sydney - Brisbane. Also I suggest you do some research on the silver city comet (broken Hill) that was in operation from 1937 to 1989. I aint going to argue and stoop to your level just to give your ego a boost. (plus the XPT's are undergoing a refurbishment at currant

[1ns4ne1d10t]

@my90tp Your trains do 85 most of the time but only 100 miles per hour at the absolute tops? is that it? We do 125 miles per hour on our rails and we have the 150mph Hitachi Javelins running on 180 mile an hour+ rails on the Kent railway line running alongside the M20 motorway. Take a look at our 125mph Mallard steam train and do some research on that bit of machinery while I look up your Comet.

[teletubbykiller23]

WOW in the U.S.A we dont have engines that sound like this is this a 2 stroke V-12?

[jampro2002]

@teletubbykiller23 V12 yes, it is a 4 stroke engine capacity 79 litres (4,800 cu in)

[1ns4ne1d10t]

@teletubbykiller23 The main reason why the Paxman Valenta sounds like a totally different V12 Diesel to all other V12 Diesels is because it has the firing order of two straight-six diesels on either sides of the 'V'. Most V12 diesels have two V6 firing orders which is why they sound totally different. The Valenta V12 is like putting two straight six engines together whereas other V12 engines are like putting two V6 engines together if that makes sence.

[bloke33]

Always used to love it when they started a powercar up and set it (probably the wrong term there but ah well) to generate the train supply, it'd always rev like that then the Marstons would make their trademark noise. It's just not the same now lol

[DarkRage960]

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[HSTJames2]

Clag

[89001avocet]

Nice! :D