James Mann - Three Scenarios for China's Future

[philblacolbla]

@largrangewei

the people DONT have a say you nicompoop.

[stephentsang2000]

Chinese don't care about political systems. Chinese cares about money. Whatever system that makes good money is a good system. That's how the communists came into power 60 years ago, only that people eventually found out they were tricked and ended up with no money. Anyway, only stupid Westerners take ideologies so seriously.

[selfsenter]

oh yes because the 2 party system in america is real lol loool man i only had to listen to the 1st minute to get a laugh from this dude

[Beulah502]

It is the third senario

[kiwiiisland]

Europe and America were the ones who started polluting the world.

You didn't complain back then -_-'

By the way, the US has been and is polluting our outer space like a mad man and no western media covers the story worthy of its proportion (They cover Mel Gibson's divorce instead.) What - a - fucking - joke.

[4ta2r]

even with all this economic expansion, they still don't make as much as California does every year.

[ervin920]

your wrong, democracy isn't greater. democracy alows violence in a country. fuck the second amendment. who though it was a great idea to own guns. with democracy ANYONE can be presedent. ANYONE. DEMOCRACY ALOWS SEPERATE BANKS THAT CANT STAND, SO WHEN THEY COLAPS, THE TAX PAYERS BAIL THEM OUT.

[ervin920]

china will never turn over to cpalism. james mann you and your scenarios can suck it. lol

[GuangjunBai]

the three scenarios, the soothing one maybe the best for all of the world.

[betalover1]

Two premises are wrong.

China is more and more open now.

China is not going to be like the USA politically and has not been assumed to be by any US president.

The CCP is going to slowly evolve, and along the way Tibet is going to be assimilated more and more, and Taiwan is going to be another Hong Kong. A good senario of peace, but not in the way some in certain cycles want.

[ToiYeuDatNuocCuaMinh]

@raymondwr1

U should read what the definition of "Communism" is under Carl Marxist etc.There's no such thing as Communist nations or "Democracy" nations ever existed.There is private ownership of properties under "socialism". Nationalizing and protecting industries of a nation for the benefit of the people is a good thing better than foreign owners use and exploitation or privatization(such as banks :D ).

[ToiYeuDatNuocCuaMinh]

@raymondwr1

Fucking dumb cunt! US is a "democracy" ?Lmao . Do u even read or know what Communism is? US is a fucking PLUTOCRACY! Central banks own privately and corporations own your fucking ass idiot.

[89yy98gt89]

@ToiYeuDatNuocCuaMinh u.s. is an anti democracy, according to all the democratically elected governments it overthrew.

[greenarchistudio]

If some westerners learn more traditional ideology of China they should stop provoking China by post it on their contradictory side. If Chinese culture is a culture that really encourage invasion and conquer, Chinese ancestors have enough power and time to control the whole Asia, in 1421, their huge navy has arrived Africa, instead of robbing and slaving local people, they kept peaceful trading relationship with Africa tribes, not like what the Europeans have done in their Africa colonies.

[juggep80]

I dont give a shit about their culture. We need guarantees. Maybe when cheap labor becomes expensive in China they will outsource it to Kenya which will become a new China and then they have a lot to lose in a war because their factories got outsourced too.

[98wongjf]

@juggep80 And that will happen. It is called the how the world works. But right now, China still has cheap labour and by the time China's labour cost reaches to a level where its job gets outsourced, it means it has reached a certain level of prosperity.

[libbern]

@greenarchistudio

China did'nt have the industry and technology at that time needed for such colonization. Nor did they have those big companies in search for resources:O

Trading with the african tribes..? What the hell would the chinese want to have traded from them? China had been the most technologically and culturally advanced area in the world for like 4000 years or so, Africa was just a bunch of tribes fighting each other^^

[6U4RD1AN]

@greenarchistudio And they then burnt the fleet and the documents, and hide from the world, Chinese culture is aislacionist and xenofobic if anything and very represive to its own citizens, dont seem like a great way, Aaaaaanyway modern europe and modern china have nothing to do with 400, 300 or 200 years before, democracy...comunism, remember? if you are speaking about a country you can track back a century tops for most matters

[greenarchistudio]

If the central power is efficient and high performance in China, why Chinese people give up it, why China should follow US? CCP has been proved to to be the most qualified party to lead the whole country, revolutionize and develop China, they have found their own mode to become a civilized and powerful nation. Facts are sounder than words.

[juggep80]

Because dictatorship has a pretty bad track record from the year 4000 BC up until today. Democracy has a almost perfect track record.

[98wongjf]

@juggep80 Hmmm...the fact that Dictatorship has lasted 4000 BC til today actually says volume about its effectivess. USA is not founded as a democracy, and now that it is a democracy, it is falling apart.

So you argument is pretty much out of the window.

[89yy98gt89]

@98wongjf where do you get the idea that the usa is a democracy?

[98wongjf]

@89yy98gt89 Just look at how US policies are being made will clearly show USA is running a democratic system where the majority will win over a minority. The fact that they have twisted the interpretation of the US constitution. The fact that the voice of the minority always get criticized as being either Anti-American (from the right to the left on the war) or Greedy evil doers (from the left to the right on Health Care).

[juggep80]

@98wongjf Would you like the minority to win over the majority like in your country? Different media organizations represent different viewpoints like foxnews is for republican viewpoint and msnbc is pro democrat viewpoint. People listen to all these viewpoints and watch/read foreign news media and make up their minds about stuff.

[98wongjf]

@juggep80 Tell me, how is your country better if the majority can take away the rights of the minority? Democracy is like two wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for lunch.

A classic line in The Patriot (from Mel Gibson ironically enough): Tell me, why would I want to trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away? What your government has taken away more of your rights every single day.

[98wongjf]

@juggep80 Tell me, how is your country better if the majority can take away the rights of the minority? Democracy is like two wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for lunch.

A classic line in The Patriot (from Mel Gibson ironically enough): Tell me, why would I want to trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away? What your government has taken away more of your rights every single day. In my country, although lable communism, is not much different

[juggep80]

@98wongjf If you divide power its harder to abuse.

"What your government has taken away more of your rights every single day"?

Uh, like what?

[98wongjf]

@juggep80 Oh I don't know...the right to have a phone conversation without wire tapping...the right to refuse support for the Iraq War through your tax, same goes for health care...

[juggep80]

@98wongjf None of these affect me.

[89yy98gt89]

@juggep80 is killing 1 million people in viet nam, 1 million people in korea, framing iraq, killing 1 million in iraq, enslaving africans included in this perfect track record?

[juggep80]

@89yy98gt89 Then why USA has never waged war against a democracy? For some reason only crazy dictatoships get agitated relationship with the US. Maybe crazy dictators are always right and the hundreds of people in congress and senate elected by the people are fucking insane. Korea and Vietnam war were justified declarations of war.

What kind of system in the USA would be an improvement over the existing one? Let one guy decide everything?

[6U4RD1AN]

@juggep80 It may never fought a war against a democracy but has toppled more than one (Chile, Iran, for example)

[juggep80]

@89yy98gt89 Africans werent considered humans, iraqis killed mostly themselves about 100.000 dead. But yeh you have a point, maybe we should outsource all decision making to an utilitarian computer artificial intelligence.

[6U4RD1AN]

@greenarchistudio Only after two HUGE flops, The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward, and copying the western model, by the way comunism is also a western ideology, and not the better as history and logic shows.

[greenarchistudio]

The key is not democracy but ruling efficiency and performance. In China a central power is better than contradictory two or three parties who always try to attack each other for keeping the so called political balance.

[greenarchistudio]

some westerners are norrow-minded and have myopia about China since they do not understand the true value of Chinese tradition and culture, which affect the country's ruling system deeply. If you have learned enough about the history of China you can see a basic fact that when China was prosperous, there was always a powerful united centeral ruling system related with this period. If there are contradictionary parties, China would be divided into several parts and the prosperous periods gone

[orchardr]

do democracy succeed in asia beside japan?

[shyamranger]

why America wants or Pressure other's Countries to adopt there Political System.....Can any one say?

[6U4RD1AN]

@shyamranger a) Its better

b) Its safer for everyone, including democracies own citizens and citizens of those countries wich adopt democracy

c) Giving more power to the people and more rights is morally correct

d) As a country based on democracy, and first world modern democracy it furthers the USA own ideological egemony

[kungmaster]

Who is to say what is the right model for a country? The East and West are different, The East focuses on the community where the West focuses on Individualism and political correctness. Which is why communism was ideal, it was the community that was held above the individual. I do not think Democracy would work for the East, it would be against the culture. I see a system similar to Singapore for China, One party Democracy

[89yy98gt89]

@kungmaster china's model is probably more righteous. china reached africa 100yrs before europeans, and did not try to kill them, rob them, take their land, force their culture on them, or torture them. however, once the europeans got there, they did all of that, and continue to do it today through the world bank, and imf. so who do you trust?

[6U4RD1AN]

@89yy98gt89 "china reached africa 100yrs before europeans"

Have you ever seen a map?

[GaryPansey]

Read "The Nine Commentaries on The Chinese Communist Party."

[lagrangewei]

i am impressed, what a moderate view.

china's political future depends on the wish of the chinese people, they do not want neither the Soviet or American model to be imposed on to them, they will adopt the model they want.

[jackflack1516]

@lagrangewei Yes that's if you can keep the Zionist jews out. America and it's founding people are dieing. It dosen't look good here. Do not let them in your financial system or conduct any laws. Your country MUST stop buying our American debt. The Zionist are not going to pay this debt. This is ment to draw your people into an expensive war. If you let these beast in your country you'll be over run with homosexuality, liberalist whinos and dead end technology. The U.S.A. is at it's end.

[jackflack1516]

@lagrangewei Also they must not have mediea acess, or info acess. they get pretty far here on that but prehaps China has better arts then movies and american idol like shows. Truley brainless stuff.

[ervin920]

@lagrangewei absolutlly

[VanHollam]

@lagrangewei they have been successful, but, if they keep growing, the world only has a limited amount of food. The politics mean nothing to me, just how they will work out close to then end, to see if they fight for a future, is seen when you come close to that nation's death. but, that may not happen.

[bmltaggert]

I hope the Chinese people remember how terribly you treated the early Chinese settlers. Why do Amercians believe that their system is the best and they had a god given right to "fix" nations unlike themselves. If that were the case, how come your country is on the verge of bankruptcy?

[blipbaii]

i do remember, i also know about the Opium War, the war that nearly torn china apart, then communism came in and restore china. Now the west is barking at the thing that they have created, and their scared.

[Gregman420]

Economics and political systems aside, America stands up for freedom, and is willing to pressure other countrys to adopt freedoms and human rights for all it's people.

[Unit888]

wow this book actually seems unbaised

[klf2233]

The problem with West is that it's full of political correctness bullshit. Why can't I have a bar "only for whites", I would respect that some black would start a bar "only for blacks" next to mine. Or religious law. Why can't I say "I think Islam and Judaism are fucking stupid religions", I respect that someone could say that about Christians or ateists.

[DantesFire]

Because what if someone black wanted to get a drink with their white friend at your "white only" bar? Or a more likely scenario that does happen, what if you're the only bar in an area? And yes you can say religions and/or non-religion is stupid, you just can't make a law supporting one over the rest.

[klf2233]

If for example there are only black bars in area, you can start one which could include white and blacks. It'd probably do better (more clients) and soon it could even buy that "only blacks" bar. Such problems are fixed autoamtically in capitalism

[carlosdevil666]

the americans are so full of shit.

they think that the world is as it was in the 20th century that you control the world by wagging war.

I'll tell you my friend they got it all wrong nowadays you control the world economically.

[gaoxiuyuan]

why all the countries should be the same system like U.S?

[carlosdevil666]

I don't get it either.

[danpt2000]

So basically what this guy is saying, he doesn't know whats going to happen in China in the future. Thanks for telling us what we already know.

[danpt2000]

Old Saying by Chinese Historians: "An Empire Long United Will Divide, An Empire Long United Will Divide"

Whatever happens to China as a country, the people will remain.

[danpt2000]

sorry, I quoted wrong. 2nd part is "An Empire Long Divided will Unite."

[chinadocs]

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[whizkid3]

Japanese now are losers, they forgot how America bomb the shit out of their people in world war II. Instead of revenge on America, they kiss their asses. They sold their sisters and daughters to international porns. In order to please the Americans, they let the American to fuck their sisters and daughters for free. lol I'm sure their dead Ancestors are so proud them now.

[carlosdevil666]

hahahaha dude you got it right

[Tristar10h]

The West and Japan have reasons to fear China: they both know they have done wrong to China in the past and afraid China might take revenge. Well, minds as well do more harm and keep on suppressing China so the judgment day will not happen.

[bowensu]

Type "America is NOT stupid" to see how clever they are

[antagonist500]

I have to agree with the SEW comments. What does this stupid white guy know about China? unfortunatly, he shows that he knows NOTHING. Go to China yourself and you will see that people there are very happy with the leadership of the Communist Party. There lives have improved immensly. Any attempt to judge China on American standards is doomed from the begining.

[IHATEBLEACH]

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[t0nt01982]

the north koreans seem pretty happy too with their leader...

[antagonist500]

You assume that people there are not happy. You no doubt based this assumption on western media and a few dissidents. How can one or a few disgruntled people's opinions stand for the whole nation? Do the opinions of one or two wackos stand for all americans?

[t0nt01982]

um maybe because im half korean fucker, and my grandparents suffered thru the korean war. i have family and friends that has been to korea and its a well known fact over there that N. Korea is horrible.

[antagonist500]

It seems that the people who know the LEAST about N.Korea are the south koreans. They are fed so much bullshit about their brothers to the north that they wouldnt be suprised if you told them that DPRK soldiers are telve foot tall and breath fire. If you were really korean you would advocate unity and understanding, not divise language.

[t0nt01982]

oh and china is fed the truth and nothin but the truth bout their ALLY. N korea is like ur bastard stepchild.

[antagonist500]

The point to make is that Western media ONLY shows you bad things (more than half of which is fradulent) the perfect example of this is the coverage of China. If you lived in China you would be shocked at the utter rubbish that flows from the overseas media. If you listen to them you would believe that there is massive turmoil here, which is simply not true.

[t0nt01982]

maybe u should watch these videos on N. Korea "Children of the Secret State" maybe that will give u a different perspective on ur countrys ally.

[antagonist500]

t0nt01982, You have already wasted my time enough with your anti-korea rant. Go back to binge drinking and drug abuse with your fellow americans.

[t0nt01982]

i dont binge drink nor use drugs. there u go thinking what u see in the media about Americans. compare chinas and N.koreas freedoms compared to ours and i'll let u be the judge of that.

[antagonist500]

Yet a large percentage of young americans, australians, etc are engaged in such destructive behaviour. This has nothing to do with the media, it come from experience. Your talk of "freedoms" is also typically hollow. But good on you for not using drugs.

[wefHa]

t0nt01982, you need to open your eyes, the western media is full of shit

[orchardr]

ur human right ,voting...watsoever is just excuse,who invent communism , it is german called engles and russian or jews called marx,why they invent communism , it is becos of capitalism,why china end up poor and backward in these 100 , is becos of ur imperialism and colonialism,every dynasty in china has lifespan of 300 years and it is cycle,while opium war..japan occupation is just happen in end of qing dynasty from 1644 to 1912 and start of roc,china didn have time to recover .. continue

[orchardr]

to next dynasty due to european,american and japanese invasion...u affect our transformation, change of cycle,oso u just want ccp to be overthrown,but that will make china unrest and in turmoil for decades and the achievement china has done in last 60 years will go down the drain and west can dominate the world longer and recover fully from economic crisis and prevent china rising again with full power and control china well.china always giv u an impression of united powerful empire since...

[orchardr]

ancient time, and since european,american and japanese has encountered good period of time and take this good chance to loot china wealth and land during her transformation,to prevent china recovery and rise,japan is always china tributary state,european r always poor and backward and has minor influence,while america is currenly no 1 superpower,they r afraid of china rising and try watever method to prevent china rise ,china risng means that they will be in great trouble as chinese will

[ToiYeuDatNuocCuaMinh]

Democracy in US? Its a joke. Its expensive costing in billions of dollars for each political parties to just campaign for influence of 51% voters. I don't see anything wrong with majority support and a 1 strong party united instead of 3-20 parties financed by "legal bribes" especially in weak small nation "democracy is weak and open to foreign corruption and intervention for a "puppet state"

[orchardr]

retaliate against them for their crime and wrongdoing when china is weakest in late 19 century,.every country in the world want to be the best and able to control others,this is reason why columbus is so eager to find china and india becos india and china is best countries in the world,when columbus reach america,he think he reach india and called american natives red indian .

[89yy98gt89]

@t0nt01982 all you gotta do is walk into an american airport and see how free you are. is it also a coincidence that america has the worlds largest prison population. you sure have a warped sense of what freedom is, especially coming from a country where you can be stopped just for looking like a foreigner (arizona law).

[89yy98gt89]

@t0nt01982 thats why korea is fucked because you idiots are too busy fighting each other instead of cooperating.

[GretnaBlast]

....the western media is what PERPETUATES the myths Mann explains in his book.

[chapsroc]

ONLY ONE SCENARIO FOR USA'S FUTURE -- FINISHED!

What would finish off this infant "civilation"?

Christianity+Greed.

Whatever potentials Americans had for growth 2b mature society was first retarded by Christian's concept of CREATION - my Father (God) created earth, thus Christians OWN everything; then they wasted all their enery on GREED.

TOO MUCH IS NOT ENOUGH FOR ME-ME-ME, SHAREHOLDERS, GOD, ETC.

[chapsroc]

Will this mule hybrid of Christianity+Greed destroyed USA? Absolutely! Not only this mule has bottomless appetite, it thinks that it OWNS the world and want to cross breed all humanity to become its hybrids through hell, wars and all.

Humanity is way smarter than this mule, and this mule must be and will be shackled and put in a barn where it belong.

And so end of the American super power fairy tale.

[kggoh]

i dont understand why those western countries bother so much on how other country will become, mind your own business. Is it because you have too much time to spare? Spend it with your family

[popoTb]

Good answer!!

And i will add to your answer my friend.

It is because the west is afraid, they are scared of China.

[kggoh]

oh yeah, This is the only answer i can think of also. Currently i guess USA and Japan are the two countries which scare to most. Actually, why bother so much abt China, just do the best of yours, if still China overtake u, then u can tell yourself u have done your best, rather than spending too much time on China and forgot to improve yourself

[orchardr]

u r so clever

[kggoh]

If u think China might collapse and will hurt yourself also, then protect yourself b4 it happened, and besides, isn't the collapse of China fulfill the interest of u (USA and Japan) the most? Therefore, good or bad, u didnt stand the right to critize

[89yy98gt89]

@kggoh its called fear mongering. thats how they justify increases in their military budget and wars.

[chapsroc]

GARBAGE!

70 years of communism in a 6000+ years of Chinese Civilization is NOTHING but a BLIP in a CONTINIUM. The Chinese Civilization will swallow both communism and capitalism then spit out something TOTALLY NEW AND USEFUL FOR HUMANITY.

For Westerners to understand this phenomenent, you must do three things 1) tie your tonge; 2) unplug your ears; 3) LEARN CHINESE!

[chapsroc]

This PHENOMENON is beginning to take shape NOW. The only thing that China has to watch out for is the Americans & British collective activities that aimed soley on crashing CHINA'S COMING OUT PARTY.

[neothomist1275]

China was set up by our (real) rulers to be the model of Hegelian synthesis: Capitalistic Communism. Keep in mind the same big banking boys created both.

[chapsroc]

WHO? Not another S.E.W. (Spipid European Writer) G.W.F. Hegel (19th cent. German). When Deng talked about "black cat" and "white cat" he already demoted capitalism and communism to a MERE UTILITY devoid of any ideological fervor. I don't think he had Hegel in mind or any other S.E.W.s.

[chapsroc]

S.E.W. = Stupid European Writer.

[chapsroc]

FYI: Hegel's works were at least 2000 years behind the works of Mengzi & Liezi (founders of Taoism) and Guatema Sidhatha (founder of Buddhism). When compared to Taoism and Buddhism, Hegel's works were amateurish at best.

[neothomist1275]

I never said I was in sympathy with Hegel. Even sinophiles still under the delusion that there is such a thing as independent nations are better than he.

[havocrein]

I think the CCP will sooner or later try to reform, more democratic and elections inside of the CCP maybe. But noone really knows, I wish china have a stong and independent Worker Union, and hope the progress of rural area become part of Cities will go faster.

[noolympics]

Chinese as a race will not be dead. The CCP will be!

[XXX333XXX999]

I thk china is tryin to take back its superpower role since they had for 2000yrs and lost it in the recent 150 years! and dont mess around here guys! i do not believe chinese race will be a dead end in 10 years! it's impossible!

[TubaCan777]

China has its own polictical sysytem and culture. It cannot become like US because the country's root and origin of government system is different. To try to become like the United States would not be beneficial to China itself.

[noolympics]

Chinese should rise and change the political system. Chinese has its own culture, not the culture imposed by the communists! The communists have abandoned all the good Chinese culture and led the Chinese race to a dead end!

[TubaCan777]

Chinese race to a dead end. You will see in ten years whether or not it is dead end. Quit listening to all the nay sayers and look at thebig picture.

[noolympics]

The only path for Chinese to survive true globalization is to first get rid of the corrupt communists in China! Use its economic miracle to throw away the biggest burden of economic development, the Chinese Communist Party!

[RiceLee22]

The Chinese people is a giant tiger which allowed the CCP to ride on its back in exchange for leading it to prey and progress.

It had always been so, since the beginning of China, with monarchs instead of communists. If the CCP proves to be a bad guide, the tiger will show them no mercy.

[89yy98gt89]

@RiceLee22 nice try. 85% of the chinese people approve of their govt. thats alot more than the usa.

[orchardr]

do china look like communist now?beside privertisation and voting?

do china look like capitalism?

[noolympics]

Boycott China K9 Killers

Boycott Genocide Games 2008 Beijing China

Fuck Hu Jin Tao, Saddam Hussin of the EAST!

[linanhai1983]

It depends on what perspective you take. China is so big, and it definitely has a lot of problems. If you only choose to look at those dark sides, your view will be biased. But why not look at its bright side as well. Several friends of mine from the US have traveled around China and they were impressed by China's economic growth and Chinese friendship and intelligence. A half-full glass can be seen as half full or half empty--it depends on what your perspective is.

[noolympics]

Pollution is certain an international and global matter! If the communists keep polluting the earth, we as global citizens should condemn it to hell! All Chinese should be on our side to act against this evil party!

[RiceLee22]

Pollution is an unfortunate side effect of Progress.

All of the developed countries today had polluted their environment while developing their industry, China is no exception.

What is the problem is that the developed countries of the world today are still producing pollution when they could have reduce it without crippling their growth, and they don't do that and instead try to shame the developing countries for trying to modernise.

[89yy98gt89]

@RiceLee22 its probably the chinese people that should be complaining, not the evil foreigners. the foreign companies are going into china to build factories to manufacture products for the WEST. it's not the chinese who are using these products.

[carlosdevil666]

no man you started polluting the world first now it's china's turn.

don't be mad just cause their economy is growing

[89yy98gt89]

@carlosdevil666 lets not look at the nuances. china is polluting because its making products for the west. meanwhile westerners pollute because they leave the air conditioning, heating, and lights on when no one is in a building.

[dsperlin]

Thats a lame excuse. Hitler, Mao and Stalin killed millions of people so should I do that too?

[rufullofshitusa]

@dsperlin yea i agree, when the country is hurting and weak at the time any one in power would do the same thing to keep the people in control. 

[Guanchen]

@dsperlin you don't have the balls.

[orchardr]

if pollution is an international and global matter,why we only condemn communist to hell but not oso include capitalist like america

[89yy98gt89]

@noolympics nevermind the fact that china is polluting by making products for the west, so that evil westerners can pay $300 for an ipod. ungreatful sons of biches. you should be on your knees

[carlosdevil666]

what about george bush saddam hussein of the west?

[thanks88]

The World is obivously thinking how the hell China change the way they think not them self lol, Cuz they are egocentric idiot

[orchardr]

china is changing to a way which can use be used to rule the world again just like ancient time,others in the world in the world just could not understand it,if they understand and come out with same idea first,they will lead the world not china,

[thanks88]

During colonial era,British made India becoming third world and send opium to China, but Today's China saving british auto industry and leading globle economy. So who is right or wrong will be judged by future generation not you lousy lobbist!

[linanhai1983]

Well said, dude. The time is coming soon.

[89yy98gt89]

@thanks88 if there was a god, then the west would certainly be punished

[libbern]

@89yy98gt89

If there was a God, earth would be hit by a hell of a big meteorite^^

Its not like the west is "evil" and the rest of the world is "good". But just keep living in that bubble if you so please.

Move the industry home for all I care. Industry is power. And let it produce good stuff, like rockets to explore space and such. Not just Iphones and other consumer crap made to channel money to the big corporations.

[thanks88]

I heard enough of crap from west from past and present! You said China was poor and will never rise in the past, but China's present define you were wrong in both past and present, so shut hell up and mind your own business cuz you ain't helping world or China.

[linanhai1983]

Holy shit, this guy is a typical narrow-minded demagogue. If China collapses, the whole world will be shaken.