I don't believe government bodies should be allowed to retain copyright. If it is attached to a federal, state, or local government letterhead, paid for with taxes, it is the peoples physical and intellectual property. Period. They have essentially done away with the important concept of access to information for those who have payed for it in the first place. Paying to have access means paying for it a second time. They have clearly appointed themselves both the judge and the jury on this.
Youtube needs to say to Time warner (WMG) "Buzz off!!! we will take down clear copyright infrigment but we support fair use and you need to mind your own F---in business because these small bits of yours songs on youtube are not harming you at all: it is fair use and fair use is the law! so buzz off and let us handle it!"
@SmokingEssy7887 they don't wanna hire a few guys with legal knowledge to sort through the claims. i remember somebody saying that youtube can legally take down stuff for no reason since it's their site but that could just be the internet talking
I just find it interesting that people don't just make new laws. I mean, the American system makes sure that its people can simply make new laws if they want to. I don't understand why it's such an issue to get a bunch of smart citizens together, come up with a law, then vote in legislators that will pass that law.
#2 Selection and Arrangement Copyright. Yes, you can copyright your selection and arrangement of data, but it has to be q NON-OBVIOUS way that you arranged the data. E.g. You can't copyright a phone book. Arranging people's names and phone numbers alphabetically is too obvious a convention. Unless the State of Oregon did something clever and unconventional in how it arranged the statutes (i.e. NOT simply grouping them by date, #, or subject) it would have a very weak claim to any copyright.
#1: Are works produced by the State of Oregon, copyrightable by Oregon? (I know, for example, that Florida does not normally retain a copyright in its works.) I don't know what Oregon's policy is.
Not us "normals"(that is what the rich and famous call us, "normals") like you and me. They bribe Congress, Judges, lawyers, witnesses to win cases and to take people's rights away legally by illegal means, and use fefamation, etc. It's the truth, I should know, I have ghost wrote or had my writing stolen to keep the entertainment TV, Music, Movies, for major production companies, going. It's so sad.
Yeah and your making money through your Adsense account because you have Ads tacked onto your informational video... thats what "GOOGLETUBE" has now become making money from peoples video's(the ones who dont violate copyright regulations)... Its amazing how people dont know realise this 0_o
when is this world going to wake up to the fact that we as human beings do not fall into the jurastiction of statutes or act we are human beings the law that these things petain to are for corporate bodies but humans are not corporations os persons. Look into it
If I were you I would talk with a civil rights attorney. Does the ACLU know about this? Because this is ridiculous. It is a complete violation of our rights as citizens to have withheld from us knowledge of the laws to which we are to be held accountable and liable for any infractions of. You are right, this is more evil than corporate greed. This situation is out of control and must be fixed.
I mean it would be one thing if you were mis-printing, or mis-quoting the laws -- but if you are publishing them correctly, as written, and in their entirety -- for no profit whatsoever -- it's nuts for anyone to try and stop that. Unless they want a state or a country where anyone can be arrested at anytime for doing something they had no idea was illegal. What kind of place is this? Do they want to create Orwell's 1984? I'm pretty shocked. I wonder if other states do that, too.
This idea suggests that MONEY is the key to knowing the law, and therefore the key to keeping your freedom, and that in turn suggests that money is the key to freedom and that freedom is not offered as an inalienable right by your state...
copyright is stupid but it is very important i mean if you made music and you saw a million other people using for advertisements and their own work - you obviously wouldnt like that soit is important and yet kind of stupid. What i think they should do is let you put it in your video or ad (etc) depending on how you use it. so they should let you use it if your just using it as a background soundtrack not to promote your product completely and and take the authors work for granted
so say u wanna go out and buy some music. u buy a cd then u share it with someone. so if u share it with people its copyrighted???if that's not copyrighted then u should be able to post the song on youtube.
Down with uk its all there fault there doing all this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ima go hunting for icarly episodes on the web nd imgoing to download and putting them on youtube and fuck it if they say its copyrighted ill post it up again ill make another account and keep doing till its over!
i dont know if anyone else has said this, but is his woodsy house the one they used for the twilight movie? jk... anyway, i had a video taken by UMG that had 50 views.... these dogs of hate are just using their size to push the rest around, epecially the little guy who cant do anything about it.
The easiest way to get rid of copyright laws as we know it is to get rid of the industry! It's actually not that hard. Music can now already exist without the industry for an example.
hi i am Hiwa from Iraq . an artist. thank you very much for your video. i am going to make a project about a piece of music from a Musician who died earlier than 70 years ago.
so i am no allowed to use it i know. but i awant to know until which degree i can alienate it that i dont get problems. and that is the art work itself. i heared that its in Germany for example, 25% must be changed. or each 4th note.and and.. would be very thankful if you write me what is in the low. thanks a lot. best, hiwa
lol, dude, give him a break, i wanted to know some of this, i learned something new =] i think anyone who can understand this is a freaking genius 0.0 lol, i make videos with songs that arent mine, but i give credit to them at least 2 times in each vid, my last account was terminated, im only 16 and i get bored, so i make vids, why block it as long as you tell them you 100% do not own it, btw,kenrg, just a question cuz u seem to know this kinda stuff, what should i do to stop this, can u help?
[sarcasm]Yes, lets let the State of Oregon pay for the bandwidth and disk space to put their laws online.[/sarcasm]These sites did a great public service by posting the law online. Do lawyers have to pay Oregon to cite the law in someone's legal defense. :) Copyright is so broken its almost funny. I am going to subscribe. Please discuss this type of stuff more.
Thanks - I believe they've come to a resolution on this case now, but just that it was ever a case is such a perfect illustration of how broken it is. I'd ask if it were ironic, but I don't want Alanis Morrisette suing me.
I think some people go too far in blaming YT for its passivity. How much would it cost YT to perform even a surface evaluation of every copyright challenge? And would YT share liability with the channel if a video that YT decided fell under "fair use" was later determined in court to be a violation of copyright law?
There is a big and complex problem here and focusing on the absurd outliers (like Oregon) may be distracting us.
You nailed it on the head when you question whether YT would be stepping into a certain amount of responsibility by defending fair use, which is why they'll certainly continue to shy away from it. Yes, Oregon is an outlier, but that's usually where these battle are fought.
Several years ago I read a book called "Ruling the Waves" by Debora Spar. She identifies a pattern whereby innovation creates new commercial spaces that simply overwhelm social norms. She writes about old-fashioned black eye patch piracy which flourished for a while because no country had clear authority outside their territorial waters. Elizabeth I referred to Francis Drake as "my pyrate" and she wasn't trying to be edgy or arch.
She looks at the printing press and the telegraph and radio. When radio was new it wasn't clear who owned what parts of the spectrum and there was an effort by the British navy to reserved the entire technology for maritime use. In the US, Sec. of Commerce Herbert Hoover felt that gov't regulation worked against free enterprise. Evangelist Amy McPherson broadcast at random bandwidths, changing from night to night.
In these historical instances rules were eventually established and enforced that accommodated the new technologies. I hope we come to some kind of reasonable system that protects creators without crippling the amazing new technology we have. Right now the Google/YouTubes and Viacoms are just trying to make sure they don't lose out during a period of chaos. I see self-interest at work, not a lot of vision, but no real villains either.
Thanks for these great comments! Great historical examples are always good for putting things in perspective. I have just put Spar's book on my notepad to bring with me to the book shops this weekend.
I'm glad that there is people like you that look into this kindda things and explain it to the rest of us. I loved that dramatic reading it was awesome!
Part 1~ Kenrg, do you have a proposal or a solution to this? My thoughts is it takes time to watch videos for youtuber staff...there are thousands and thousands by the hour...I dont know an answer where a corporation can afford to pursue to satisfy the law and us Youtubers. I feel the laws are wrong too and out of hand but we may have to take this to Congress where the real fight exists. I cant expect Youtube to behave with an indifference to the law. The legalities would ruin them. ~Raven
Part 2~ But, much needs to change. Our laws hold video related sites by narrow margins. Its a hard call no matter what and the fight wont be a pretty picture but necessary. Oregon has gone to another extreme and the money will just hit all of us in some way with so many controlling, unnecessary copyright guidelines. ~Raven
Right now, the copyright bozos have us all on the run. We need strong legislation to put some real definition into what is or is not fair use, and then maybe the YouTube's of the world will have some ground to stand on in protecting their user's rights.
And I'm not talking about making it okay to post episodes of The Simpsons, I'm just talking about quoting song lyrics (with attribution) as part of a longer vlog or using an image of a movie poster while giving your review of the film, etc.
Kenrg...I totally agree. I hope fair use becomes fair. If the restrictions keep getting worse, getting the word out about anything that moves us or enlightens us, will stop at the printing office or the book store. ~Raven
The law only requires them to react, not to police the site, so there's no need for them to monitor every posting. But, if they chose, they could review at least a few seconds of those with DMCA complaints to verify the accuracy of the claim before clicking "delete."
And, if they really wanted to make a stand, they could stake out a position on fair use. But that would cost them, and is something they have no interest in doing.
I think Youtube is just scared...The laws dont make it easy for sites like this...Most of us dont know the laws and I feel, I have a more than average understanding but now its just getting more strict. I dont know how video sharing sites are going to survive the legal set backs as more and more corporations take action. We have to change the laws. ~Raven
Yes, YT is taking the path of lowest resistance; they react to complaints as all equal and don't ever offer an opinion that they'd have to defend legally.
And, yes, the laws have to change. The law is there to serve society, and when it no longer serves how the great majority of us live, the laws have to change with us. Thanks for the comments.
As far as I am concerned its wrong to make money from someone else's work no mater who it is. But in the majority of prosecutions world wide these days its not about money being made its about someone getting something for nothing, that's where I draw the line... if someone shares information or art with others while not profiting from it that may be against the Law but it is not morally wrong. The only people making profit from all of this are the lawyers. 2008
I know that individual tubers (except partners, I guess) don't make any money from their vids but YouTube sells advertising and their rates are determined by the total number of people who visit their site each day.
So...there is a distant connection between Google/YouTube and the 200 view video. Of course you are right: the lawyers make the real money.
I read Information Feudalism a while ago and it proved to be a worthwhile reading investment, it made all the intellectual property issues around me so much clearer.
May I have some fine cheese and a glass of red wine with that Oregon law?
Yeah, well, if people pump their own gas you know what might happen? They might get their hands dirty. And then who would clean them? Um. Yeah. Maybe I should move to Oregon and run for governor on an End the Stupidity platform.
That's spooky....it looks like someone is peeking in your window behind you. Is it an alien like the one purported here in Colorado? OMG....use your imagination, and take a good look at it! Scary!
I thought you knew Ken, I actually do. See me to get out of any copyright violations (but only if you have a substantial monetary "contribution" to offer up).
Btw, that melodramatic, sentimental, and passionate reading of the Oregon State Law -- with a litle "classical" playing in the background (nice touch Ken, really, no really, yeah really) -- almost drove me into fits of both tears and hysterical laughter, while contemplating the utter absurdity of your words. You're not only an excellent copyright Constituional scholar, but a superb thespian as well kenrg! Great video Ken!
Thanks you for the overly kind review of my dramatization of the Oregon Revised Statutes. It wasn't difficult to do well; when you have a piece of poetry so eloquently and beautifully written as this, the emotional reading just comes naturally. Really.
I think you have brought to light the most ridiculous of the ridiculous use of copywright! You did a wonderul dramatic reading...if they take you away, I'll send you money to use in the prison commissary, I promise.
Well, I don't know about banning it - that's just too far in the other direction. An author, composer, inventor, etc., should be able to earn something from their creation before it passes to the public domain - but, the demise of "fair use" to where even a public service like posting the law on a web site gets lawyers involved is a sure sign that the pendulum has swung too far and needs to come back towards the middle ground.
Ah, 7. I'm especially fond of it because I played it twice when I was in college. That 2nd movement isn't nearly as easy to play as it sounds! but, then again, this is the case with alot of music. cheers to Zardoz and Connery too!
Yes! Now I have a second reason to avoid Oregon, the first being it's the happy home of my ex-wife.....maybe they'll secede...call their new state the "New.S.S.R." Hey, I should copyright that...
Is your ex-wife working for the state legislative council by any chance? I used to like Oregon, but I'm boycotting the entire state. Well, at least through the end of May.
I hearby copy write the idea of texting someone who has an expose on someone who copy writes a copy write law. And stating that they had better copy write the idea of the expose.
I think Kafka and Orwell together would have looked at this and said, "Come on, this works in fiction, but in real life? Too unrealistic, nobody will believe it."
I think YouTube will settle with Viacom or whoever, they will lose so much traffic if they block copyrighted videos. Why do you think people come to YouTube for anyway, to see us?! btw I accidentially clicked on one of your google adverts in the corner, shall we split it 50/50?:)
That's YouTube's dirty little secret - That although they remove any video with a complaint against it, they know that the complaints can never keep pace with the number of violating videos.
When it comes to breaking the law, it's clear that ignorance of the piece of law is not sufficient defence. But if this 'committee' is placing impediments to people's understand of the law, then are they in a legal sense partly culpable for the breaking of the law by the ignorant person?? Something to think over.
It's actually pretty Orwellian, that you're responsible for following laws that have restricted distribution. In fact, this conversation right here and now could be illegal and we'll never know it till they beat down our doors and take us away. Oh, hold on a sec... I hear somebody coming up the walkway...
Ok, the posting of the Copyright law just gave me an ulcer that they actually find that a violation. What's next? The printing of they lyrics if a song in our own home with be a violation? I think the Gov just found ANOTHER new way to make money... Oh my aching ulcer lol
By the people('s representatives), of the people('s representatives), and for the people('s representatives). But screw the people themselves. It's a whole new hideous age.
Hahaha...loved it. The state of Oregon is more evil than Viacom and Time/Warner!!! Let the revolution begin!!!!! What all these entities have in common is that kept quiet long enough for people to think it was okay, then they filed DMCAs enmasse, leaving no time for investigation--which results in the general community being angry with Youtube for all the lost accounts and sanctions...then America Online or the T/W creates a sanctuary for everyone to scurry to. I'm making a response to you vid!!
Interesting conspiracy theory you're cooking up there! So, in that, what is Oregon's involvement? Have they in invested the state worker's pension fund in Time-Warner?
That is so messed up, so against any common sense, so totally twisted, that... Well, that I'm pretty sure something similar might happen here too. Whatever those people coming up with the cease&desists were smoking, I don't want it.
Technically the law is property of the public and therefor is not copyrightable and doing so is in violation of free speech
NFvidoJagg2 3 months ago
Check out the Press Pass Tv Video " Fair Use for Fair Play"
presspasstv 7 months ago
I don't believe government bodies should be allowed to retain copyright. If it is attached to a federal, state, or local government letterhead, paid for with taxes, it is the peoples physical and intellectual property. Period. They have essentially done away with the important concept of access to information for those who have payed for it in the first place. Paying to have access means paying for it a second time. They have clearly appointed themselves both the judge and the jury on this.
WordAndReason 11 months ago
Youtube needs to say to Time warner (WMG) "Buzz off!!! we will take down clear copyright infrigment but we support fair use and you need to mind your own F---in business because these small bits of yours songs on youtube are not harming you at all: it is fair use and fair use is the law! so buzz off and let us handle it!"
SmokingEssy7887 1 year ago
@SmokingEssy7887 they don't wanna hire a few guys with legal knowledge to sort through the claims. i remember somebody saying that youtube can legally take down stuff for no reason since it's their site but that could just be the internet talking
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SmokingEssy7887 1 year ago
My brain still refuses to process the information that they wanted to enforce that copyright.
dovlinhos 1 year ago
That music might be copy right. Oh noes. -.-
MrAnomanom 1 year ago
I just find it interesting that people don't just make new laws. I mean, the American system makes sure that its people can simply make new laws if they want to. I don't understand why it's such an issue to get a bunch of smart citizens together, come up with a law, then vote in legislators that will pass that law.
You Americans...
commode7x 1 year ago
#2 Selection and Arrangement Copyright. Yes, you can copyright your selection and arrangement of data, but it has to be q NON-OBVIOUS way that you arranged the data. E.g. You can't copyright a phone book. Arranging people's names and phone numbers alphabetically is too obvious a convention. Unless the State of Oregon did something clever and unconventional in how it arranged the statutes (i.e. NOT simply grouping them by date, #, or subject) it would have a very weak claim to any copyright.
hardcider09 1 year ago
Pretty F'ing arrogant of the State of Oregon.
There are at least two issues here.
#1: Are works produced by the State of Oregon, copyrightable by Oregon? (I know, for example, that Florida does not normally retain a copyright in its works.) I don't know what Oregon's policy is.
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1alopezpr 2 years ago
urgent new legislation is required to end the copyright madness.
culture is a public interest and should be available to everyone without any costs.
envanje 2 years ago
Not us "normals"(that is what the rich and famous call us, "normals") like you and me. They bribe Congress, Judges, lawyers, witnesses to win cases and to take people's rights away legally by illegal means, and use fefamation, etc. It's the truth, I should know, I have ghost wrote or had my writing stolen to keep the entertainment TV, Music, Movies, for major production companies, going. It's so sad.
thewriterfanlJesus 2 years ago
I think some people are obsessed by rules. Obsessive-impulsive-youtube copyright-eating-rule-book disorder.
CaliforniaGirl088 2 years ago
Yeah and your making money through your Adsense account because you have Ads tacked onto your informational video... thats what "GOOGLETUBE" has now become making money from peoples video's(the ones who dont violate copyright regulations)... Its amazing how people dont know realise this 0_o
BeautifulNative25 2 years ago
really, who had a problem with this?
Kace666 2 years ago
Oh isn't that nice. An ad just popped up on this video about Tampax...
Beccar217 2 years ago
you are so cute !!
nellionare 2 years ago
when is this world going to wake up to the fact that we as human beings do not fall into the jurastiction of statutes or act we are human beings the law that these things petain to are for corporate bodies but humans are not corporations os persons. Look into it
nethy02 2 years ago 2
If I were you I would talk with a civil rights attorney. Does the ACLU know about this? Because this is ridiculous. It is a complete violation of our rights as citizens to have withheld from us knowledge of the laws to which we are to be held accountable and liable for any infractions of. You are right, this is more evil than corporate greed. This situation is out of control and must be fixed.
globalladyxii 2 years ago
I mean it would be one thing if you were mis-printing, or mis-quoting the laws -- but if you are publishing them correctly, as written, and in their entirety -- for no profit whatsoever -- it's nuts for anyone to try and stop that. Unless they want a state or a country where anyone can be arrested at anytime for doing something they had no idea was illegal. What kind of place is this? Do they want to create Orwell's 1984? I'm pretty shocked. I wonder if other states do that, too.
globalladyxii 2 years ago
This idea suggests that MONEY is the key to knowing the law, and therefore the key to keeping your freedom, and that in turn suggests that money is the key to freedom and that freedom is not offered as an inalienable right by your state...
TolstoyKafkaEvsky 2 years ago 8
fuck this shit man!!! i fucking hate viacom!!!
xB4LL50F5T33Lx 2 years ago
Ok, well Youtube can just run out of viewers.
Caramiu 2 years ago
copyrite laws on youtube are GAY you cant truly own a sound and you cant truly own a series of pictures
EDismename 2 years ago
copyright is stupid but it is very important i mean if you made music and you saw a million other people using for advertisements and their own work - you obviously wouldnt like that soit is important and yet kind of stupid. What i think they should do is let you put it in your video or ad (etc) depending on how you use it. so they should let you use it if your just using it as a background soundtrack not to promote your product completely and and take the authors work for granted
MoltenFilms 2 years ago
"Music is everybody's possession, it is only publishers that think they could own it...." - John Lennon
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AlexisSmex 2 years ago
WMG is doing all of the COPYRIGHTING with MUSIC on YOUTUBE
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dsso123 2 years ago
"Music is everybody's possession, it is only publishers that think they could own it...." - John Lennon
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vinnyStigerknight97 2 years ago 3
Copyright is stupid, its not like we want to steal the videos or music. This is youtube, not America.
Xzarion7 2 years ago 3
this stupid copright thing really is annoyin gthe removed my most viwed video and ore and then suspended my account!
futuramafan305 2 years ago 2
Here's the problem with the world nowadays, Everybody cares too much, but only about themselves.
fuzzypenguin2 2 years ago
so say u wanna go out and buy some music. u buy a cd then u share it with someone. so if u share it with people its copyrighted???if that's not copyrighted then u should be able to post the song on youtube.
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liljmliljerry 2 years ago
Yeah this copyright thing is bullshit. Because of this, I now refuse to buy items from Warner Bros at all. Anything made by them, I refuse to touch.
I dont know if I was the only guy laughing my ass off throughout this video. Seriously man you really pack a punch in the intellectual funnies
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PwnVideoGames 2 years ago
Down with uk its all there fault there doing all this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ima go hunting for icarly episodes on the web nd imgoing to download and putting them on youtube and fuck it if they say its copyrighted ill post it up again ill make another account and keep doing till its over!
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64192h 2 years ago
So the next time I get a ticket in Oregon and a cop tells me the law I broke, there they cop is gonna have to pay for the rights to tell you? Wow ._.
wolves0with0wings 2 years ago
What the faccck ?! This copyright thing is really getting to me -____-
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wow that is not right. honestly , the law of all things? sounds almost kinda ironic hahaha
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icetoph 2 years ago
you dont see anyone like livelavalive getting there vids tkaing away ( well some)
but thats cause there not all maintstream bands in the videos maby just a thought
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7metaltrumpets 2 years ago
The big question now is ofcourse: Who owns the copyright to the copyright to the copyright law?
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Minipimp199561 2 years ago
YOUTOMB SUCKS!!!! KILL THAT SITE!
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pancake7991 2 years ago
this is something i would talk about when im blazed lol
jamie343434 2 years ago
What the hell if the law is copyrighted then i guess you can brake it because some poeple cant afford to buy the law!
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OttoZwieback 2 years ago
I got a video copyrighted cause of musc......
fuck.....
but it was not deleted but the music was taken out......
this sucks too -.-
i hate youtube for doing this
krunc313 2 years ago
you shouldn't blame youtube cause they are forced to take it away you should blame the companies that always complains to youtube
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6037084 2 years ago
i dont know if anyone else has said this, but is his woodsy house the one they used for the twilight movie? jk... anyway, i had a video taken by UMG that had 50 views.... these dogs of hate are just using their size to push the rest around, epecially the little guy who cant do anything about it.
LordCorinth 2 years ago
I see what they're doing. They're keeping the law from us so they can spring it on us later.
Tricky....
Lol.
PenguinCinema 2 years ago
So what? If I upload HAWAIIAN MUSIC, which as we all know, IS NOT AMERICAN. THEY CAN'T REMOVE MY VIDEO.. CAN THEY?
If so, tell them to come talk to me. I'LL TELL UM OFF!!! THAT'S MY CULTURE, THATS MY BLOODLINE..!!
imuahawaii808 2 years ago
....dude, wtf?
PsychoRobin 2 years ago
your dumb copyright is world wide
hokagealex 2 years ago
The easiest way to get rid of copyright laws as we know it is to get rid of the industry! It's actually not that hard. Music can now already exist without the industry for an example.
artman40 2 years ago
hi i am Hiwa from Iraq . an artist. thank you very much for your video. i am going to make a project about a piece of music from a Musician who died earlier than 70 years ago.
hiwakhiwa 2 years ago
so i am no allowed to use it i know. but i awant to know until which degree i can alienate it that i dont get problems. and that is the art work itself. i heared that its in Germany for example, 25% must be changed. or each 4th note.and and.. would be very thankful if you write me what is in the low. thanks a lot. best, hiwa
hiwakhiwa 2 years ago
lol, dude, give him a break, i wanted to know some of this, i learned something new =] i think anyone who can understand this is a freaking genius 0.0 lol, i make videos with songs that arent mine, but i give credit to them at least 2 times in each vid, my last account was terminated, im only 16 and i get bored, so i make vids, why block it as long as you tell them you 100% do not own it, btw,kenrg, just a question cuz u seem to know this kinda stuff, what should i do to stop this, can u help?
thefallenv 3 years ago
[sarcasm]Yes, lets let the State of Oregon pay for the bandwidth and disk space to put their laws online.[/sarcasm]These sites did a great public service by posting the law online. Do lawyers have to pay Oregon to cite the law in someone's legal defense. :) Copyright is so broken its almost funny. I am going to subscribe. Please discuss this type of stuff more.
MrKevin1a 3 years ago
Thanks - I believe they've come to a resolution on this case now, but just that it was ever a case is such a perfect illustration of how broken it is. I'd ask if it were ironic, but I don't want Alanis Morrisette suing me.
kenrg 3 years ago
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fuck u and copyright
DECYTA 3 years ago
dude, that is so uncalled for...
thefallenv 3 years ago
I think some people go too far in blaming YT for its passivity. How much would it cost YT to perform even a surface evaluation of every copyright challenge? And would YT share liability with the channel if a video that YT decided fell under "fair use" was later determined in court to be a violation of copyright law?
There is a big and complex problem here and focusing on the absurd outliers (like Oregon) may be distracting us.
2ii89 3 years ago
You nailed it on the head when you question whether YT would be stepping into a certain amount of responsibility by defending fair use, which is why they'll certainly continue to shy away from it. Yes, Oregon is an outlier, but that's usually where these battle are fought.
kenrg 3 years ago
Several years ago I read a book called "Ruling the Waves" by Debora Spar. She identifies a pattern whereby innovation creates new commercial spaces that simply overwhelm social norms. She writes about old-fashioned black eye patch piracy which flourished for a while because no country had clear authority outside their territorial waters. Elizabeth I referred to Francis Drake as "my pyrate" and she wasn't trying to be edgy or arch.
2ii89 3 years ago
She looks at the printing press and the telegraph and radio. When radio was new it wasn't clear who owned what parts of the spectrum and there was an effort by the British navy to reserved the entire technology for maritime use. In the US, Sec. of Commerce Herbert Hoover felt that gov't regulation worked against free enterprise. Evangelist Amy McPherson broadcast at random bandwidths, changing from night to night.
2ii89 3 years ago
In these historical instances rules were eventually established and enforced that accommodated the new technologies. I hope we come to some kind of reasonable system that protects creators without crippling the amazing new technology we have. Right now the Google/YouTubes and Viacoms are just trying to make sure they don't lose out during a period of chaos. I see self-interest at work, not a lot of vision, but no real villains either.
2ii89 3 years ago
Thanks for these great comments! Great historical examples are always good for putting things in perspective. I have just put Spar's book on my notepad to bring with me to the book shops this weekend.
kenrg 3 years ago
. . ^
,o
twister7boy 3 years ago
I'm glad that there is people like you that look into this kindda things and explain it to the rest of us. I loved that dramatic reading it was awesome!
angelgallardo1 3 years ago
Thanks, Angel. I just come across these things and gotta share them.
kenrg 3 years ago
Part 1~ Kenrg, do you have a proposal or a solution to this? My thoughts is it takes time to watch videos for youtuber staff...there are thousands and thousands by the hour...I dont know an answer where a corporation can afford to pursue to satisfy the law and us Youtubers. I feel the laws are wrong too and out of hand but we may have to take this to Congress where the real fight exists. I cant expect Youtube to behave with an indifference to the law. The legalities would ruin them. ~Raven
RadicalComedy 3 years ago
Part 2~ But, much needs to change. Our laws hold video related sites by narrow margins. Its a hard call no matter what and the fight wont be a pretty picture but necessary. Oregon has gone to another extreme and the money will just hit all of us in some way with so many controlling, unnecessary copyright guidelines. ~Raven
RadicalComedy 3 years ago
Right now, the copyright bozos have us all on the run. We need strong legislation to put some real definition into what is or is not fair use, and then maybe the YouTube's of the world will have some ground to stand on in protecting their user's rights.
And I'm not talking about making it okay to post episodes of The Simpsons, I'm just talking about quoting song lyrics (with attribution) as part of a longer vlog or using an image of a movie poster while giving your review of the film, etc.
kenrg 3 years ago
Kenrg...I totally agree. I hope fair use becomes fair. If the restrictions keep getting worse, getting the word out about anything that moves us or enlightens us, will stop at the printing office or the book store. ~Raven
RadicalComedy 3 years ago
The law only requires them to react, not to police the site, so there's no need for them to monitor every posting. But, if they chose, they could review at least a few seconds of those with DMCA complaints to verify the accuracy of the claim before clicking "delete."
And, if they really wanted to make a stand, they could stake out a position on fair use. But that would cost them, and is something they have no interest in doing.
kenrg 3 years ago
*giggle*
I'm not from Oregon, but my Aunt and Uncle are. I'm tempted to do a "Virtual Dramatic Reading". But I'll have to find something that would-
*eyebrow raise* Fireworks Law?
*hooks up mic*
Okay... just for fun. And... artistic value.
Moueska 3 years ago
I'm sure there's some regulation in there someplace about fireworks - I look forward to your video reply ;^)
kenrg 3 years ago
I think Youtube is just scared...The laws dont make it easy for sites like this...Most of us dont know the laws and I feel, I have a more than average understanding but now its just getting more strict. I dont know how video sharing sites are going to survive the legal set backs as more and more corporations take action. We have to change the laws. ~Raven
RadicalComedy 3 years ago
Yes, YT is taking the path of lowest resistance; they react to complaints as all equal and don't ever offer an opinion that they'd have to defend legally.
And, yes, the laws have to change. The law is there to serve society, and when it no longer serves how the great majority of us live, the laws have to change with us. Thanks for the comments.
kenrg 3 years ago
Kenrg, are you from Oregon?...I am from Portland myself....good info here...I didnt know that. ~Raven
RadicalComedy 3 years ago
No, I'm down in CA, between San Jose and Santa Cruz. Portland's great, I should get up there again sometime.
kenrg 3 years ago
As far as I am concerned its wrong to make money from someone else's work no mater who it is. But in the majority of prosecutions world wide these days its not about money being made its about someone getting something for nothing, that's where I draw the line... if someone shares information or art with others while not profiting from it that may be against the Law but it is not morally wrong. The only people making profit from all of this are the lawyers. 2008
CoZzMiX 3 years ago
The lawyers will find a way to make money from it no matter what. Thanks for the comment!
kenrg 3 years ago
I know that individual tubers (except partners, I guess) don't make any money from their vids but YouTube sells advertising and their rates are determined by the total number of people who visit their site each day.
So...there is a distant connection between Google/YouTube and the 200 view video. Of course you are right: the lawyers make the real money.
2ii89 3 years ago
I agree! but I was being more general than just YouTube :)
CoZzMiX 3 years ago
you really couldn't make it up - the world has gone mad!
21stCenturyCat 3 years ago
Madder than we'll ever know ;^)
kenrg 3 years ago
I read Information Feudalism a while ago and it proved to be a worthwhile reading investment, it made all the intellectual property issues around me so much clearer.
May I have some fine cheese and a glass of red wine with that Oregon law?
Zea107 3 years ago
Just so long as it's California wine and cheese ;^)
Thanks for the comment!
kenrg 3 years ago
Informative. Thanks for the copyright vlogs. Great stuff.
HollywoodCouch 3 years ago
Thanks much - I just got through LMAO over your Hollywood A-Hole video. Not that you're bitter or anything. No, nothing like it.
kenrg 3 years ago
That is beyond nuts, but then again the Oregon government won't let people pump their own gas either.
wogsland 3 years ago
Yeah, well, if people pump their own gas you know what might happen? They might get their hands dirty. And then who would clean them? Um. Yeah. Maybe I should move to Oregon and run for governor on an End the Stupidity platform.
kenrg 3 years ago
That's spooky....it looks like someone is peeking in your window behind you. Is it an alien like the one purported here in Colorado? OMG....use your imagination, and take a good look at it! Scary!
Momotaro15 3 years ago
It's the reflection of my computer screen ;^)
Depending on the time of day and the lighting, I can get like five images of myself bouncing from the computer to each of the windows around there.
kenrg 3 years ago
"Who owns the copyright to the copyright law?"
I thought you knew Ken, I actually do. See me to get out of any copyright violations (but only if you have a substantial monetary "contribution" to offer up).
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
Btw, that melodramatic, sentimental, and passionate reading of the Oregon State Law -- with a litle "classical" playing in the background (nice touch Ken, really, no really, yeah really) -- almost drove me into fits of both tears and hysterical laughter, while contemplating the utter absurdity of your words. You're not only an excellent copyright Constituional scholar, but a superb thespian as well kenrg! Great video Ken!
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
Thanks you for the overly kind review of my dramatization of the Oregon Revised Statutes. It wasn't difficult to do well; when you have a piece of poetry so eloquently and beautifully written as this, the emotional reading just comes naturally. Really.
kenrg 3 years ago
lol - it was sooooo poetic. So is justice.
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
I think you have brought to light the most ridiculous of the ridiculous use of copywright! You did a wonderul dramatic reading...if they take you away, I'll send you money to use in the prison commissary, I promise.
Minniver 3 years ago
Thank you very much - But don't send cash, just cigarettes; they're better than money in prison.
kenrg 3 years ago
Absolutely dumb isn't it? Copyright should be banned. All should share the gifts of each other.
TamHickey67 3 years ago
Well, I don't know about banning it - that's just too far in the other direction. An author, composer, inventor, etc., should be able to earn something from their creation before it passes to the public domain - but, the demise of "fair use" to where even a public service like posting the law on a web site gets lawyers involved is a sure sign that the pendulum has swung too far and needs to come back towards the middle ground.
kenrg 3 years ago
Copyright is out of hand and absurd.
AzraelsJudgement 3 years ago
No doubt about it - Thanks!
kenrg 3 years ago
Beethoven 7!! Nice Music. Nice Reading. Nice Video.
ooo6 3 years ago
The 7th is my favorite - 2nd movement. Of course, I also think of it as the theme to Zardoz, but that's just cause I'm such a Sean Connery fan ;^)
Thanks!
kenrg 3 years ago
Ah, 7. I'm especially fond of it because I played it twice when I was in college. That 2nd movement isn't nearly as easy to play as it sounds! but, then again, this is the case with alot of music. cheers to Zardoz and Connery too!
ooo6 3 years ago
Too fucking Kafkaesque to be real.
keytoothed 3 years ago
Kafka would be proud of the Oregon Legislative Council. Or just bewildered by them. Thanks.
kenrg 3 years ago
Yes! Now I have a second reason to avoid Oregon, the first being it's the happy home of my ex-wife.....maybe they'll secede...call their new state the "New.S.S.R." Hey, I should copyright that...
brignoni68 3 years ago
Is your ex-wife working for the state legislative council by any chance? I used to like Oregon, but I'm boycotting the entire state. Well, at least through the end of May.
kenrg 3 years ago
Oh man, that is really messed up!
Elaina43 3 years ago
Amazingly so.
kenrg 3 years ago
My lawyer won't allow me to comment on this video.
Justinmazing 3 years ago
Does he get 10% of your replies?
kenrg 3 years ago
I declare my biomass independent sovereign on to its self !
crawleykakes 3 years ago
Be careful there, I think CalTech already owns a patent on your biomass.
kenrg 3 years ago
Nice one, well , u gotte love America :)
Dragonfruitp 3 years ago
Land of the free, and home of too many damned lawyers. Rah!
kenrg 3 years ago
OMG! It's really weird... :S
hollygollightly 3 years ago
Weird, bizarre, stupid, yep, it's all of that and more.
kenrg 3 years ago
I hearby copy write the idea of texting someone who has an expose on someone who copy writes a copy write law. And stating that they had better copy write the idea of the expose.
evotelution 3 years ago
That's a good one to own the rights to. I've got a copyright on replying to comments about owning the idea of texting someone who...
kenrg 3 years ago
Ridiculous. It sounds like something Franz Kafka could have dreamed up.
EddyBergman 3 years ago
I think Kafka and Orwell together would have looked at this and said, "Come on, this works in fiction, but in real life? Too unrealistic, nobody will believe it."
kenrg 3 years ago
I think YouTube will settle with Viacom or whoever, they will lose so much traffic if they block copyrighted videos. Why do you think people come to YouTube for anyway, to see us?! btw I accidentially clicked on one of your google adverts in the corner, shall we split it 50/50?:)
ajdpadbury 3 years ago
That's YouTube's dirty little secret - That although they remove any video with a complaint against it, they know that the complaints can never keep pace with the number of violating videos.
I'll click on one of yours and we'll be even ;^)
kenrg 3 years ago
They're crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TylersComputerShow 3 years ago
They're not crazy; they're from the government ;^)
kenrg 3 years ago
When it comes to breaking the law, it's clear that ignorance of the piece of law is not sufficient defence. But if this 'committee' is placing impediments to people's understand of the law, then are they in a legal sense partly culpable for the breaking of the law by the ignorant person?? Something to think over.
frappy7 3 years ago
It's actually pretty Orwellian, that you're responsible for following laws that have restricted distribution. In fact, this conversation right here and now could be illegal and we'll never know it till they beat down our doors and take us away. Oh, hold on a sec... I hear somebody coming up the walkway...
kenrg 3 years ago
No copyright video for at least a month? How can you do that to me?! :)
djlateral 3 years ago
Well, apparently OhCurt is taking bets on how soon I do another one. Talk to him about the odds.
kenrg 3 years ago
Ok, the posting of the Copyright law just gave me an ulcer that they actually find that a violation. What's next? The printing of they lyrics if a song in our own home with be a violation? I think the Gov just found ANOTHER new way to make money... Oh my aching ulcer lol
Pippilly 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but "Oh my aching ulcer" is a copyright of the Pepto Bismol Corporation. You may pay your fine at the door on your way out.
kenrg 3 years ago
fascinating. for the people by the people, huh? laughable, no?
battim 3 years ago
By the people('s representatives), of the people('s representatives), and for the people('s representatives). But screw the people themselves. It's a whole new hideous age.
kenrg 3 years ago
Hahaha...loved it. The state of Oregon is more evil than Viacom and Time/Warner!!! Let the revolution begin!!!!! What all these entities have in common is that kept quiet long enough for people to think it was okay, then they filed DMCAs enmasse, leaving no time for investigation--which results in the general community being angry with Youtube for all the lost accounts and sanctions...then America Online or the T/W creates a sanctuary for everyone to scurry to. I'm making a response to you vid!!
Rikotistic 3 years ago
Interesting conspiracy theory you're cooking up there! So, in that, what is Oregon's involvement? Have they in invested the state worker's pension fund in Time-Warner?
kenrg 3 years ago
That is so messed up, so against any common sense, so totally twisted, that... Well, that I'm pretty sure something similar might happen here too. Whatever those people coming up with the cease&desists were smoking, I don't want it.
garouHH 3 years ago