Um, you seem to say that Dr Lanny Bell, supports Joseph Smith Jr and his 'transaltion. HMMMM
Let's si IF that is the case, shall we?
Do a youtube search for The Lost Book of Abraham (full video, low quality) and go directly to time point 38:33, and see and hear Dr Bell and his account of Jo Smith and his 'translation!
HE does NOT support the 'translation' of the Book of Abraham, does he? So, as an end result, it does not matter IF he disagrees with 'anti-mormons' who denounce Smith's 'work', he still disagrees with Smith. You win nothing in bringing up ONE person's dissenting opinion, pretending that it IS supporting the BoA
OK so the point of this video is that Charles Larson got the name of the guy on the bier wrong? How does that nullify the BOA argument? Your arrogance is premature on this. The bottom line is that NONE of the papyri relate to Abraham. All Egyptologists agree on that. This video doesn't prove that Lanny Bell is agreeing with Joseph Smith at all. And don't label that book as "anti". It has some errors but for the most part it's very well researched.
@IExposeMormonism I will check him out. I did not forget @omiolo, I just didn't mention him as he is the most boring of the mormon retards here on YT. He mostly just copy/pastes nonsense he gets from LDS INC. in the comments sections of videos he does not like. He has no original thoughts or ideas, which is why he is a 'good moron', LDS INC love sheep like him that have an extra chromosome.
@DefendingMormomism Joseph Smith developed a lexicon of the hieroglyphs, definitions and all. If we look at that and the BofA we are pretty much all done. No glyph interpretation is correct. therefor no text interpretation is correct....My "nightmare" began not with Lanny Bell but reading the Mountain Meadows Massacre which led to such subjects as the Blood Atonement, Polygamy, Endowment Ceremony and it's oaths.
I gave up waiting for him to make a point. This video is a pathetic waste of time. He refuses to spit out what he is trying to say. Wouldn't you hate to be paying this fool by the hour.
Everything that was in the book of Mormon that give the so called facts & proofs of this religion IE the American Indians being descendants of Hebrews & the ancient south American peoples & there empires. All of these things have been proven to be false, not one of these so called ancient peoples & there buildings have been found, Also with DNA & the checking of every American Indian race proving that not one of them are connected to the Hebrews all in this book has been proven to be wrong.
@cannotfindavoice Scholars have propose some lands to be BoM lands. However its so hard to test that hypothesis becuase we have decipher verry little about the inscriptions dating to BoM times, were the lands are propose to be. DNA does not disproof the BoM, since scientist looked for ancient European DNA, its already been found. Also, the africans, japenese, and many others were here before Columbus. Buildings??? What buildings are you looking for?? Aladdin's buildings?
The 5 Browns, all Mormons and siblings, took the classical music world by storm when they all graduated from Juilliard School of Music in New York City
Your smugness is so irritating! If JS were a true prophet and translator, we wouldn't be discussing any of this, would we? It would be the correct and infallible word of god! It's not! It's clearly not what JS claimed! Grasping at straws of one facsimile is laughable. I think you're out of your league in discussing this altogether. Quite arrogant about calling yourself a professor as well! Backyard hack maybe. Your bias makes it impossible for you to think independently or objectively.
Yeah, I've actually been to those pyramids in Guatemala, believe it or not. The Maya built some amazing stuff, though after the time of Christ (by about 200 to 900 years in this case).
But anyway really I wish you the best of luck. I know your mind is made up, but who knows people change. Mine did anyway. But I wish you happiness either way...
I know I'm never going to convince the deeply devoted. But you have to understand this from my perspective. I believe strongly that Joseph Smith was not a prophet of God. Much of my family has spent a whole lot of time on money on things that I believe to be patently untrue. But I still love them.
I have nothing against you personally either- and I should have said that you probably didn't mean to be dishonest.
I just really don't like what I believe to be so untrue. Can you understand that?
Look, I'm not gonna argue the points forever here. From my experience its not gonna go anywhere- these types of conversations almost never do. Sometimes I feel like God could appear to someone and tell them that they're wrong on a religious matter, and it wouldn't matter.
I guess my only last point, though, is.... why do so many scientists (whether their specialty is DNA, Anthropology of America, Egyptology, etc) seem to have something against certain religious folks?
You are capable as a free person to believe whatever it is you like, but I testify unto you that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God, and not you, not Illinois, not anyone can change this fact.
The largest pyramid in the world is not in Egypt, but covered in Jungle in Guatemala, and I know that is the temple that Christ post resurrection appeared and taught from, and healed their sick, and blessed their children.
@amyx28 What I do not understand is what you want from us..pity? So you haven't been educated and still live in the shadow of the backward....why are you here? You have our pity and prayers..receiving the truth is up to your own agency, faith, worthiness and journey..good luck but back up off the believers would ya? We don't mock you..though Lord KNOWS we could!
@DuBarryFilms Your 'pity' and indirect 'mocking' are a perfect example of whats wrong with many religious mindsets.
I was only here because I found this video (though perhaps well-meaning) to be skirting the truth. And since I was raised LDS, I sometimes feel the need to speak out.
Maybe it was a pointless exercise though, because true believers can never be convinced- regardless of the evidence. But that's not judging them as "in the shadow of the backward", just saying that they are wrong.
If you had said: "Lanny Bell disagrees somewhat with other Egyptologists on one matter out of hundreds from the 'Book of Abraham' texts, while still completely disagreeing with all that Joseph Smith wrote"
I wouldn't have any problem. But you didn't, you claimed that he agreed with Joseph, who said that the laying figure was Abraham. And all the rest of it (the "priest of Elkenah" is really Anubis, etc, etc, etc) Lanny Bell was in accord that Joseph Smith was either very wrong and/or a liar.
You quote sentences here from Lanny Bell, out of context. 1. variations in Egyptian texts don't make Egyptologists unable to interpret them. 2. and all Bell said was that the laying figure was not Osiris in god form. He would never say it could POSSIBLY be Abraham.
The ENTIRE article he wrote contradicts sacred church teachings! You said Lanny Bell "doesn't agree completely" with Joseph Smith....
..... But in reality he disagreed with 100% of what Smith said about his own facsimiles / papari
The Books of Breathing is an important Ancient Egyptian funerary text of the Egyptian Late Period and Roman Period, long after Abraham's time.
So just in the couple sentences following what is quoted in this video, Lanny Bell asserts that all the text Joseph Smith had (and had copied, with errors) were ordinary funerary documents, dating from the latter half of the 2nd century and therefore well over a thousand years after the supposed time of Abraham.
@amyx28 How the hell does Omiolo sand me a video message?! He is blocked. Some say he is in youtube some say he has contacts in youtube that watch out for him. Plus, he has that internal dialogue going, obviously he watches too many soap operas like "Days of our Redundant Lives". I'll stop "crowing" on the Abraham Papyrus when it Dove Tails with reality. Oh, and why does the magic penis come and go from the Papyrus?
@IExposeMormonism Oh, wait, I take that back. I thought he got by me but he didn't. He just replied to something. I misread. "Misread":: Something Mormons do all the time! Hope it isn't catching! I found a Mormon August 5 Declaration of Martial Law. Made a video. Why didn't anyone tell the Wagon Train of Martial Law before 9-11? G.A. Smith and Hamblin camped with them Late August.
We have taught that ourselves... I wasn't dealing with the time frame of the papyri, but the fact that our LDS Egyptologists also know what the score is. You are trying to make something out of nothing that isn't there.
Its not just about the time frame, but the content as well. And you know that no non-Mormon Egyptologist agrees with the church about the vast core content of the papari or Joseph Smith facsimiles. This video hints at otherwise, which is dishonest.
"the few vingettes accompanying this text are not standardized, but display great variation. This cluster of texts is thought to have been in use only during a very restricted time range. The date of the Joseph Smith 'Breathing Permit' has been a matter of some discussion. I currently believe that it could date NO EARLIER than the (1st half of the) 2nd century BC".
- Lanny Bell
AND THE "BREATHING PERMIT" REFERS TO THESE TEXTS BEING A VARIATION OF THE EGYPTIAN "FIRST BOOK OF BREATHING".
Structures in Guatemala need to be excavated. People like this amyx28 need to see structures that pre date the time of Christ. I believe New evidence through Dr. Richard Hansen is showing this clearly. I don't know how up to date her facts and knowledge concerning the subject.
Egyptologist John Gee is absolutely correct in his writings concerning ancient meso-america.
@TheBackyardProfessor It's really too bad all the anti mormons trying to tear down the truth. The book of Mormon and Abraham are true, and they shall just remain brainwashed by the lies of the apostates. Great video, BYP!
"the few vingettes accompanying this text are not standardized, but display great variation. This cluster of texts is thought to have been in use only during a very restricted time range. The date of the Joseph Smith 'Breathing Permit' has been a matter of some discussion. I currently believe that it could date NO EARLIER than the (1st half of the) 2nd century BC".
The four elders who are serving in Shkodër will be working with the Red Cross to help unload the trucks as they arrive. Mr. Katuçi noted that he and Fredi Gaba, the member serving as interpreter, had attended high school together.
Now I think that anyone who denies that this book was authentic can hold onto nothing. You have put Crisco Oil on their flagpole and they are sliding down off their high place...
According to Lanny Bell , Its not Osiris but the deceased being identified with or becoming Osiris, Its also represents a non mummified person being ressurrected.
So how does that fit in with him being Abraham about to be sacrificed on the altar according to Joseph Smith?
Joseph Smith's claim still does not resemble what we know about Egyptology.
Isn't it obvious to you that Smith just made it all up? lol
just as a pun, isn't Mormon Egyptologist an Oxymor(m)on? And J Smith did not correctly interpret the hieroglyphics on the scrolls. There are issues with the interpretation of the glyphs
If we knock all the fluff off the opening we have a 5 minute video. "the most latest,interesting...most current analysis.. .very well known...he makes it clear, admits,a special day here, and a mile stone find.....Joseph Smith didn't get Everything wrong....."
And he gave some apostles and some, prophets...for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry...Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God...
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
...they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; and their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God,...to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty
And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom; seek learning, even by study and also by faith.
i have a question for mr backyardprofessor if thats your reall name.how come i cant see the godon plates and joseph was the only one to beable to read them, when i can go see the deadsea scrolls in which anyone who reads hebrew can translate them.if you wish to see them they are at the royal ontario museum.
The second "quiescent" attribute of God is ETERNITY. God is outside time, for He is the Creator of time, which is a relation between finite beings and events, but does not limit Him who is infinite. The eternity of God is proclaimed by
many of the writers of Holy Scripture.
See, for instance, Exod.3.14; Deut.33.27; Psalm 90.24; Isa.57.13; Rom.1.20; Eph.3.11; I Tim.1.17; Rev.1.8, 22.13.
Eternal and infinite DOES NOT equal "glorified man."
acts 7:55-56 Stephan sees Jesus Christ on the right hand of God. 1+1 =2 God and the Father are one in purpose. God sent the Son to be our example and mediate between Him and us.
The only way to accept Jesus Christ is to accept his ordained servant namely Smith and be baptized. Whether by the voice of the Lord or by the voice of his servants, it is the same.
To reject his servants that give us warnings, is to reject Jesus Christ himself.
I disagree with you entirely. There are numerous places where the Bible shows God the Father has a body. And Jesus is your precise key to it all! I intend on doing videos on this.
So did Jesus, and so do we, how does this refute anything? The bodily "form" of God as is the materiality is part and parcel of His and our eternal reality. I am doing videos on this this weekend with serious resources, stay tuned.
By sitting at the right hand of God, Jesus is claiming co-ownership to the throne.
Unfortunately there is nothing in the Bible about waiting for any other 'servant;' Jesus was the first, the last, and fulfilled Old Testament prophecy. The Bible makes this pretty clear.
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?"
Acts 7:55-56 Stephen sees the vision of JESUS CHRIST ON THE RIGHT HAND of the FATHER! ON THE RIGHT HAND! INDICATING THEY ARE 2 BEINGS but 1 IN PURPOSE!
The scripture is not metaphorical, nor is it just Stephan's imagination. It is literal. Jesus is sitting / Standing next to God the Father in verse 55 and 56.
I really wish so called 'christianity' would accept the entire bible and not just the few verses than conform to your religion.
Unfortunately, I don't reject the fact that the Father and the Son are 2 separate beings. Perhaps you are misunderstanding the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
I really wish Mormonism would embrace what the Bible really says, and not twist scripture, by claiming anything other than the Bible has authority.
Maybe he didn't lie, maybe he truly believed that he saw God. But when God says in the Old Testament (thousands of years before Joseph), that He is the only God, there is a slight problem.
"See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
"He (Joseph Smith)had all the weaknesses a man could have when the vision was not upon him, when he was left to himself. He was constituted like other men, and would have required years and years longer in the flesh to become a Moses in all things."
Thus, those who revile Joseph Smith will not change Josephs status with the Lord (see 2 Ne. 3:8)—merely their own! Instead—as was promised Joseph in an 1834 fathers blessing:
well this is not a qoute of a prophocy just some thing obviouse it just means that Mormons are stubborn and that they wont change their beliefs. i want proof of a prophocy can you find one and aswell FIND ME A PROPHOCY FROM OLD TESTAMENT THAT HASNT COME TRUE!!!!!!!!
I agree. There are many ways to twist and "interpret" scripture, and it's easy to look at something happening, or that has happened and associate it with prophecy. You should be doing just the opposite.
We have no hesitancy, however, in stipulating that Joseph was, by the standards of the world, not learned. Isaiah foresaw it. (See Isa. 29:1112.) Joseph did not have the skilled, formal tutoring young Saul had at the feet of Gamaliel. (See Acts 22:3.)
Emma Smith reportedly said that Joseph, at the time of the translation of the Book of Mormon, could not compose a well-worded letter let alone dictating a book like the Book of Mormon [which was] marvelous to me, a marvel and a wonder, as much as to anyone else. (Preston Nibley, The Witnesses of the Book of Mormon, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1968, p. 28.)
You may say to yourselves. "how can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? " if what a prophett proclaims in the name of the Lord does not come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. that prophet has spoken prosumptuously.
so if you belive in the bible this might tell you something about your (prophet) joseph smith
Was Joseph unjustly accused as were other prophets? Yes! Even unto this very day fragments of fact are flung at his memory. Paul was accused of being mad and deranged. (See Acts 26:24.) Even Jesus himself was accused of being a winebibber, of being possessed of a devil, and of being mad. (See Matt. 11:19; John 10:20.)
Even though paul was being called a liar do you agree that all Paul said was true and came true but what about your joseph I don't know of any thing he said that came true or that was true.
again emma smith might say that joseph couldnt write a letter let alone make up the book of mormon. well he could have been high or under the influence(which is a gainst what the bible teaches) but every one does things unexpected under the influence. or mabey he just lied (which is a sin.) you and i both know that he has lied before. did you know that he had many wives that Emma didn't know about and even some of them were children that lived in his house, and emma didnt even know.
Unsurprisingly, Joseph Smith, Jr., was still growing spiritually and intellectually, when he was murdered. Yet, Joseph lived long enough to lay out the plan of all the work which God has given you to do as promised in the blessing from his dying father in 1840. Now the ends of the earth inquire after his name. No wonder an admiring but dying Brigham Youngs last words were Joseph, Joseph, Joseph!
can yoyu send me an actual quote i have red some of the LDS website but most things are hidden and it is hard to find so if you know where they are copy and paste it since you are already good at copy and paste
Not true there are many things that Joseph Smith said that came true, but you want to know more about it, you'll have to read the LDS website about it.
Aside from twisting thigs out of context, you sure do like to weasle out of the lime light by spamming so much jibberish it's not even about how wrong you are. It's just what ever garbage you have to mess up next.
Since there are many yet great and important things to be revealed that has not been had from before the foundaton of the world, so what if it diverges from the Bible..... the Bible diverges from itself in contradictions, so what? The Bible is not the absolute truth or realistic history either, so what?
Your interpretation is ridiculous. Galatians has nothing to do against the angel Moroni, but don't let the fact dissuade you from your eisegetical interpretation.
Uh, she is a he, just so you know. And he is not anti-Mormon in league with Larson, far from it. You simply don't know what you are talking about.....
Did everyone know that all these anti dorks spend more time trying to twist untruths abut mormons they convince themselves it's true? Do they not think we study this stuff? I wish they spent as much time studying their own faith, they might find it easier to turn people against God that way.
There are 275 references to angels in the Bible, and only seven of those references have to do with false angels. The fact that Satan may appear as an angel of light obviously does not mean that all angels that appear to man are of Satan.
The question is not whether or not the Letter of Fellowship text is the Book of Abraham. Both the LDS and Non-LDS scholars agree that it isn't. The debate revolves around whether or not Joseph Smith thought it was the source of the Book of Abraham. This is the big debate raging on. The use of the vignette in P. Joseph Smith I does not prerequisite that the surrounding text was also used by Joseph Smith, as has been explained by Professor Gee in his recent work.
Not always. Priests, when initiated, became an Osiris in the daily Temple Liturgy as well, which we have known since the 1970s used both the Book of Going Forth by Day and the Letter of Fellowship text in their daily Temple Liturgy.
Oh for goodness sakes... I'm tired of hearing you pronounce the word "papyrus" wrong. According to every dictionary and normal person, it's pronounced: [puh-PAHY-ruhs], not [PAHP-uh-ruhs]. I'm sorry, but it's hard to take you seriously when you can't even speak English correctly.
Excuse me, but it's hard to take you seriously, if you judge what a person is saying by how they articulate it. That just indicates that your version of truth has to conform to the prequisite of your hoity-toityness.
LOL excellent presentation BYP. I respectfully can not go with you on this one either. But it's all good. 5 stars for the dedication to the topic and the presentation! But I'm still not there yet. I'm personally thinking the the broken clock is right at least twice a day. Keep plugging along I have a lot of respect for you.
"From the evidence that we have today, its quite safe to say that Joseph Smith did not have the Book of Abraham or the Book of Joseph in front of him in the form of these papyri because they bear no relationship to the contents of the stories or to his translation." -Lanny Bell
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sorry, that quote was randomly pulled off the internet from what I thought was a trusted website. It turned out to be a ANTImormon phishing site and so I followed the source and it did NOT exist.
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That quote comes from the anti-Mormon video "Lost Book of Abraham". I agree with Bell, the Letter of Fellowship Made By Isis isn't the Book of Abraham. But when you consider that about 80% of the papyri are missing it begs the question of what was on the remaining papyri fragments.
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John Gee has estimated that the amount of papyri missing is closer to 80%.
The reference to the rolls of papyri going through the mansion comes from Hugh Nibley relating an anecdote he heard from Preston Nibley who heard it from Joseph F. Smith while they were visiting Nauvoo. It is a thirdhand reminiscence at best and thus should be taken with a grain of salt. However, other contemporary eyewitnesses like Charlotte Haven report seeing a "long roll" of papyrus.
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If you could find such a reference that would be a terrific source. However, in my studies I am only familiar with the before mentioned anecdotal evidence from Nibley.
a papyrus, of any age, is not going to" unroll the length of the Nauvoo temple". they are sorta old. Regardless, we are left with a piece of papyrus we are familiar with. To posit another papyrus that is almost identical to it and correctly interpreted seems odd. It would mean using all the icons and having different meanings. so a "cat" would be "act" or "tac", or who knows what ,in one or another text. This makes as much sense.
Analysis of the papyrus has yielded a result of anywhere from 20 feet (Will Schryver's analysis) to 40 feet (John Gee's analysis) of missing papyrus. I can't back omiolo because he hasn't given references, but I can back the proposition that, in accordance with the testimony of Charlotte Haven and others, we are missing a substantial amount of papyrus. The argument from Gee and others is that the Book of Abraham was on the "long roll" of papyrus that was separated and subsequently destroyed.
Just for clarification, Gee and others, such as myself, argue that the Book of Abraham came from the scroll of Hor, but that said scroll was substantially longer than we have today. Instead of a few feet of fragments, Gee and others have given Egyptological and historical evidence that the scroll of Hor was substantially longer than it is today and it is from that, now missing, portion of the scroll that the Book of Abraham came from.
Yes it is. It is in the publication "Egypt and Beyond: Essays Presented to Leonard H. Lesko...," edited by Stephen E. Thompson, Peter Der Manuelian, Dept of Egyptology and Ancient Western Asian Studies, Brown University, 2008: 21-39.
When I was on a mission, back when Moses roamed the earth, they hadn't found out that this clown got his degree from a Crackerjack box yet. He was always thrown up as an "expert" to us. I love it when the anti's come off looking completely foolish. That will continue as we learn more.
boringgggggggggg
7wiiskate 1 month ago
Larson responds to this video
youtube.com/watch?v=Ejl6XouKMbM
MormonDoctrinedotnet 6 months ago
@MormonDoctrinedotnet Larson is still an idiot.
LDS4Life71 1 month ago
TBYP is the YT equivalent of "Funniest Home Videos".
It's funny in a tragic sort of way.
It like laughing at someone who runs into a plate glass window.
What any of it has to do with Joseph Smith's amazingly incorrect 'translation' of "The Book of Abraham" is a mystery to me.
Lanny Bell openly disagrees with Joseph's 'translation'.
This video is a huge embarrassment to whoever created it.
Mormons grasp every straw, even something this meaningless.
I couldn't live like that.
How can they?
hammerogod 7 months ago
hahahaha your nightmare begins now...love it!!
kempreweti1 8 months ago
Um, you seem to say that Dr Lanny Bell, supports Joseph Smith Jr and his 'transaltion. HMMMM
Let's si IF that is the case, shall we?
Do a youtube search for The Lost Book of Abraham (full video, low quality) and go directly to time point 38:33, and see and hear Dr Bell and his account of Jo Smith and his 'translation!
buzzbbird 9 months ago
Lanny Bell, Lanny Bell, Lanny Bell!
So Freaking what??!!
HE does NOT support the 'translation' of the Book of Abraham, does he? So, as an end result, it does not matter IF he disagrees with 'anti-mormons' who denounce Smith's 'work', he still disagrees with Smith. You win nothing in bringing up ONE person's dissenting opinion, pretending that it IS supporting the BoA
buzzbbird 9 months ago
OK so the point of this video is that Charles Larson got the name of the guy on the bier wrong? How does that nullify the BOA argument? Your arrogance is premature on this. The bottom line is that NONE of the papyri relate to Abraham. All Egyptologists agree on that. This video doesn't prove that Lanny Bell is agreeing with Joseph Smith at all. And don't label that book as "anti". It has some errors but for the most part it's very well researched.
madmonk 9 months ago
I used to think THELDSLIFE and LDSapologist71 were the biggest idiots on YT, I think I am wrong now though.
This whole series of videos is very very entertaining.
DefendingMormomism 10 months ago
@DefendingMormomism you forgot omiolo. Have you seen "ARoodAwakening", Michael Rood? He's not Mormon. He is interesting.
IExposeMormonism 10 months ago
@IExposeMormonism I will check him out. I did not forget @omiolo, I just didn't mention him as he is the most boring of the mormon retards here on YT. He mostly just copy/pastes nonsense he gets from LDS INC. in the comments sections of videos he does not like. He has no original thoughts or ideas, which is why he is a 'good moron', LDS INC love sheep like him that have an extra chromosome.
DefendingMormomism 10 months ago
@DefendingMormomism Joseph Smith developed a lexicon of the hieroglyphs, definitions and all. If we look at that and the BofA we are pretty much all done. No glyph interpretation is correct. therefor no text interpretation is correct....My "nightmare" began not with Lanny Bell but reading the Mountain Meadows Massacre which led to such subjects as the Blood Atonement, Polygamy, Endowment Ceremony and it's oaths.
IExposeMormonism 10 months ago
I gave up waiting for him to make a point. This video is a pathetic waste of time. He refuses to spit out what he is trying to say. Wouldn't you hate to be paying this fool by the hour.
lleaves 10 months ago 3
Four minutes into it and he still isn't anywhere near getting to the point!
sonsofmosiah 1 year ago
hahahaha how much did you have to pay them to agree with your nonsense?
MORMONS = MASTERS OF EXCUSES
MALDITTOROKKERO 1 year ago
@MALDITTOROKKERO
$200,000,000..... if you had half a brain, you would jump on the bandwagon.......
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor LOL! Love it.
stayl1971 8 months ago
@MALDITTOROKKERO
looks like someone is upset...
Sk8er408 10 months ago
Everything that was in the book of Mormon that give the so called facts & proofs of this religion IE the American Indians being descendants of Hebrews & the ancient south American peoples & there empires. All of these things have been proven to be false, not one of these so called ancient peoples & there buildings have been found, Also with DNA & the checking of every American Indian race proving that not one of them are connected to the Hebrews all in this book has been proven to be wrong.
cannotfindavoice 1 year ago
@cannotfindavoice Scholars have propose some lands to be BoM lands. However its so hard to test that hypothesis becuase we have decipher verry little about the inscriptions dating to BoM times, were the lands are propose to be. DNA does not disproof the BoM, since scientist looked for ancient European DNA, its already been found. Also, the africans, japenese, and many others were here before Columbus. Buildings??? What buildings are you looking for?? Aladdin's buildings?
MisioneriesinChile 1 year ago
The 5 Browns, all Mormons and siblings, took the classical music world by storm when they all graduated from Juilliard School of Music in New York City
omiolo 1 year ago
Fantastic... I needed my "Backyard Professor" fix today... ~Josh~
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago
Your smugness is so irritating! If JS were a true prophet and translator, we wouldn't be discussing any of this, would we? It would be the correct and infallible word of god! It's not! It's clearly not what JS claimed! Grasping at straws of one facsimile is laughable. I think you're out of your league in discussing this altogether. Quite arrogant about calling yourself a professor as well! Backyard hack maybe. Your bias makes it impossible for you to think independently or objectively.
gs117 1 year ago
"Correct..In something" (BYP)
fudley2003 1 year ago
You're a nut.
Your prophet was a con man, your god doesn't exist and your "proof "is ridiculous
Tobsy1981 1 year ago
@Tobsy1981 care to elaborate on your empty claim dumbass?
getdownto311 2 months ago
Yeah, I've actually been to those pyramids in Guatemala, believe it or not. The Maya built some amazing stuff, though after the time of Christ (by about 200 to 900 years in this case).
But anyway really I wish you the best of luck. I know your mind is made up, but who knows people change. Mine did anyway. But I wish you happiness either way...
amyx28 2 years ago
I know I'm never going to convince the deeply devoted. But you have to understand this from my perspective. I believe strongly that Joseph Smith was not a prophet of God. Much of my family has spent a whole lot of time on money on things that I believe to be patently untrue. But I still love them.
I have nothing against you personally either- and I should have said that you probably didn't mean to be dishonest.
I just really don't like what I believe to be so untrue. Can you understand that?
amyx28 2 years ago 3
Yes, I understand that, and I feel even stronger in exactly the same way, which is why I am responding to you.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
@TheBackyardProfessor
Look, I'm not gonna argue the points forever here. From my experience its not gonna go anywhere- these types of conversations almost never do. Sometimes I feel like God could appear to someone and tell them that they're wrong on a religious matter, and it wouldn't matter.
I guess my only last point, though, is.... why do so many scientists (whether their specialty is DNA, Anthropology of America, Egyptology, etc) seem to have something against certain religious folks?
amyx28 2 years ago
@amyx28
You are capable as a free person to believe whatever it is you like, but I testify unto you that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God, and not you, not Illinois, not anyone can change this fact.
The largest pyramid in the world is not in Egypt, but covered in Jungle in Guatemala, and I know that is the temple that Christ post resurrection appeared and taught from, and healed their sick, and blessed their children.
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
@amyx28 What I do not understand is what you want from us..pity? So you haven't been educated and still live in the shadow of the backward....why are you here? You have our pity and prayers..receiving the truth is up to your own agency, faith, worthiness and journey..good luck but back up off the believers would ya? We don't mock you..though Lord KNOWS we could!
DuBarryFilms 1 year ago
@DuBarryFilms Your 'pity' and indirect 'mocking' are a perfect example of whats wrong with many religious mindsets.
I was only here because I found this video (though perhaps well-meaning) to be skirting the truth. And since I was raised LDS, I sometimes feel the need to speak out.
Maybe it was a pointless exercise though, because true believers can never be convinced- regardless of the evidence. But that's not judging them as "in the shadow of the backward", just saying that they are wrong.
amyx28 1 year ago
If you had said: "Lanny Bell disagrees somewhat with other Egyptologists on one matter out of hundreds from the 'Book of Abraham' texts, while still completely disagreeing with all that Joseph Smith wrote"
I wouldn't have any problem. But you didn't, you claimed that he agreed with Joseph, who said that the laying figure was Abraham. And all the rest of it (the "priest of Elkenah" is really Anubis, etc, etc, etc) Lanny Bell was in accord that Joseph Smith was either very wrong and/or a liar.
amyx28 2 years ago
You quote sentences here from Lanny Bell, out of context. 1. variations in Egyptian texts don't make Egyptologists unable to interpret them. 2. and all Bell said was that the laying figure was not Osiris in god form. He would never say it could POSSIBLY be Abraham.
The ENTIRE article he wrote contradicts sacred church teachings! You said Lanny Bell "doesn't agree completely" with Joseph Smith....
..... But in reality he disagreed with 100% of what Smith said about his own facsimiles / papari
amyx28 2 years ago
The Books of Breathing is an important Ancient Egyptian funerary text of the Egyptian Late Period and Roman Period, long after Abraham's time.
So just in the couple sentences following what is quoted in this video, Lanny Bell asserts that all the text Joseph Smith had (and had copied, with errors) were ordinary funerary documents, dating from the latter half of the 2nd century and therefore well over a thousand years after the supposed time of Abraham.
NICE TRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
amyx28 2 years ago
@amyx28 How the hell does Omiolo sand me a video message?! He is blocked. Some say he is in youtube some say he has contacts in youtube that watch out for him. Plus, he has that internal dialogue going, obviously he watches too many soap operas like "Days of our Redundant Lives". I'll stop "crowing" on the Abraham Papyrus when it Dove Tails with reality. Oh, and why does the magic penis come and go from the Papyrus?
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
@IExposeMormonism Oh, wait, I take that back. I thought he got by me but he didn't. He just replied to something. I misread. "Misread":: Something Mormons do all the time! Hope it isn't catching! I found a Mormon August 5 Declaration of Martial Law. Made a video. Why didn't anyone tell the Wagon Train of Martial Law before 9-11? G.A. Smith and Hamblin camped with them Late August.
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
We have taught that ourselves... I wasn't dealing with the time frame of the papyri, but the fact that our LDS Egyptologists also know what the score is. You are trying to make something out of nothing that isn't there.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
Its not just about the time frame, but the content as well. And you know that no non-Mormon Egyptologist agrees with the church about the vast core content of the papari or Joseph Smith facsimiles. This video hints at otherwise, which is dishonest.
amyx28 2 years ago
I NEVER said they do. That is NOT the subject of this video. And you know it, so stop trying to make it appear as what it is not.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
I told you, that you are being dishonest. TheBackyardProfessor is correct.
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
"the few vingettes accompanying this text are not standardized, but display great variation. This cluster of texts is thought to have been in use only during a very restricted time range. The date of the Joseph Smith 'Breathing Permit' has been a matter of some discussion. I currently believe that it could date NO EARLIER than the (1st half of the) 2nd century BC".
- Lanny Bell
AND THE "BREATHING PERMIT" REFERS TO THESE TEXTS BEING A VARIATION OF THE EGYPTIAN "FIRST BOOK OF BREATHING".
amyx28 2 years ago
YES..... and this precisely ********AGREES************* with the LDS Egyptologists AND Hugh Nibley. What forever is the problem then?!
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
@TheBackyardProfessor
Structures in Guatemala need to be excavated. People like this amyx28 need to see structures that pre date the time of Christ. I believe New evidence through Dr. Richard Hansen is showing this clearly. I don't know how up to date her facts and knowledge concerning the subject.
Egyptologist John Gee is absolutely correct in his writings concerning ancient meso-america.
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
@TheBackyardProfessor It's really too bad all the anti mormons trying to tear down the truth. The book of Mormon and Abraham are true, and they shall just remain brainwashed by the lies of the apostates. Great video, BYP!
LDS4Life71 1 month ago
HERE'S THE FULL QUOTE THAT HE REFERS TO:
"the few vingettes accompanying this text are not standardized, but display great variation. This cluster of texts is thought to have been in use only during a very restricted time range. The date of the Joseph Smith 'Breathing Permit' has been a matter of some discussion. I currently believe that it could date NO EARLIER than the (1st half of the) 2nd century BC".
- Lanny Bell
WAY TO LEAVE THE EXTRA PART OUT!
THAT THEY'RE NOT FROM ABRAHAM'S TIME!
amyx28 2 years ago
It;s NOT relevant to the particular discussion I was showing. We have taught the papyri are not from Abraham's time for a LONG TIME...
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
The four elders who are serving in Shkodër will be working with the Red Cross to help unload the trucks as they arrive. Mr. Katuçi noted that he and Fredi Gaba, the member serving as interpreter, had attended high school together.
omiolo 2 years ago
I was ALL ears!
Now I think that anyone who denies that this book was authentic can hold onto nothing. You have put Crisco Oil on their flagpole and they are sliding down off their high place...
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Great video, Kerry.
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
According to Lanny Bell , Its not Osiris but the deceased being identified with or becoming Osiris, Its also represents a non mummified person being ressurrected.
So how does that fit in with him being Abraham about to be sacrificed on the altar according to Joseph Smith?
Joseph Smith's claim still does not resemble what we know about Egyptology.
Isn't it obvious to you that Smith just made it all up? lol
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
just as a pun, isn't Mormon Egyptologist an Oxymor(m)on? And J Smith did not correctly interpret the hieroglyphics on the scrolls. There are issues with the interpretation of the glyphs
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
This is my favourite comedy channel. lol
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
If we knock all the fluff off the opening we have a 5 minute video. "the most latest,interesting...most current analysis.. .very well known...he makes it clear, admits,a special day here, and a mile stone find.....Joseph Smith didn't get Everything wrong....."
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
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omiolo 2 years ago
And he gave some apostles and some, prophets...for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry...Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God...
Ephesians 4:11-14
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Moroni 10:4
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Revelation 3:12
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
...they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; and their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God,...to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.
Moroni 6:4
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
...it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 1:3
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty
2 Peter 1:16
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom; seek learning, even by study and also by faith.
D&C 88:118
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
i have a question for mr backyardprofessor if thats your reall name.how come i cant see the godon plates and joseph was the only one to beable to read them, when i can go see the deadsea scrolls in which anyone who reads hebrew can translate them.if you wish to see them they are at the royal ontario museum.
davidericburrows 2 years ago
The second "quiescent" attribute of God is ETERNITY. God is outside time, for He is the Creator of time, which is a relation between finite beings and events, but does not limit Him who is infinite. The eternity of God is proclaimed by
many of the writers of Holy Scripture.
See, for instance, Exod.3.14; Deut.33.27; Psalm 90.24; Isa.57.13; Rom.1.20; Eph.3.11; I Tim.1.17; Rev.1.8, 22.13.
Eternal and infinite DOES NOT equal "glorified man."
ecclesiamilitans1 2 years ago 2
acts 7:55-56 Stephan sees Jesus Christ on the right hand of God. 1+1 =2 God and the Father are one in purpose. God sent the Son to be our example and mediate between Him and us.
The only way to accept Jesus Christ is to accept his ordained servant namely Smith and be baptized. Whether by the voice of the Lord or by the voice of his servants, it is the same.
To reject his servants that give us warnings, is to reject Jesus Christ himself.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
God has no body other than Jesus. nowhere in the bible does it say that he has a body. and for 1+1=2 what is 1x1
davidericburrows 2 years ago
I just told you that Stephan in Acts 7:55-56 says it, it's literal, not metaphorical. It's literal.
Now quit saying "oh its nowhere in the bible." open it up and read it for a change.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
It's not an egg triangle concept. Trinitarianism is complete Creedal human made up crap.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Mormonism theology is much much newer than Christian theology. Which is REALLY made up or more reliable?
kylerichards33 2 years ago
I disagree with you entirely. There are numerous places where the Bible shows God the Father has a body. And Jesus is your precise key to it all! I intend on doing videos on this.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
No, there are numerous places where God, the Father, takes the FORM of a human body.
kylerichards33 2 years ago
So did Jesus, and so do we, how does this refute anything? The bodily "form" of God as is the materiality is part and parcel of His and our eternal reality. I am doing videos on this this weekend with serious resources, stay tuned.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
God is not a glorified human; god has no body. You're willfully ignorant in your beliefs.
ecclesiamilitans1 2 years ago
By sitting at the right hand of God, Jesus is claiming co-ownership to the throne.
Unfortunately there is nothing in the Bible about waiting for any other 'servant;' Jesus was the first, the last, and fulfilled Old Testament prophecy. The Bible makes this pretty clear.
John 10:30-33, John 12:44-46, John 13:12-14
kylerichards33 2 years ago
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
kylerichards33 2 years ago
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?"
-John 14:6-9
kylerichards33 2 years ago
The Father and The Son look exactly alike so what's the problem? It's like looking at twins.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
That's not what it says in the Bible.
kylerichards33 2 years ago
Acts 7:55-56 Stephen sees the vision of JESUS CHRIST ON THE RIGHT HAND of the FATHER! ON THE RIGHT HAND! INDICATING THEY ARE 2 BEINGS but 1 IN PURPOSE!
The scripture is not metaphorical, nor is it just Stephan's imagination. It is literal. Jesus is sitting / Standing next to God the Father in verse 55 and 56.
I really wish so called 'christianity' would accept the entire bible and not just the few verses than conform to your religion.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
They are BOTH GOD, but JESUS CHRIST is God of this EARTH, and the one spoken of in Isaiah 43:10.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Unfortunately, I don't reject the fact that the Father and the Son are 2 separate beings. Perhaps you are misunderstanding the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
I really wish Mormonism would embrace what the Bible really says, and not twist scripture, by claiming anything other than the Bible has authority.
kylerichards33 2 years ago
Anyways, joseph Smith was but a prophet for a FEW years, and he died Very young, and could have learned allot and matured as a human.
However he never lied about what he experienced. He saw God the father and the Son Jesus Christ. nothing can change that ever!
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Maybe he didn't lie, maybe he truly believed that he saw God. But when God says in the Old Testament (thousands of years before Joseph), that He is the only God, there is a slight problem.
"See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
kylerichards33 2 years ago
Jesus Christ = I am
He is the same in every detail as the father that sent him, but the father has his own body.
The father and the son are One in purpose thought and deed, but not one PERSON or BODY!
The creeds of silly Nicea are false
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
and can you find me places in the Bible where prophocies havent come true that is the whole purpose of this debate
davidericburrows 2 years ago
"He (Joseph Smith)had all the weaknesses a man could have when the vision was not upon him, when he was left to himself. He was constituted like other men, and would have required years and years longer in the flesh to become a Moses in all things."
-Brigham Young, the prophet, seer,and revelator-
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Thus, those who revile Joseph Smith will not change Josephs status with the Lord (see 2 Ne. 3:8)—merely their own! Instead—as was promised Joseph in an 1834 fathers blessing:
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
well this is not a qoute of a prophocy just some thing obviouse it just means that Mormons are stubborn and that they wont change their beliefs. i want proof of a prophocy can you find one and aswell FIND ME A PROPHOCY FROM OLD TESTAMENT THAT HASNT COME TRUE!!!!!!!!
davidericburrows 2 years ago
i dont care if you change your beliefs i just want to talk about our diferences to understand what each other believes in better
davidericburrows 2 years ago
I agree. There are many ways to twist and "interpret" scripture, and it's easy to look at something happening, or that has happened and associate it with prophecy. You should be doing just the opposite.
kylerichards33 2 years ago
Joseph Smith prophesied for an example that the Jewish tribe would get its own state or nation.
Ok i'm done you should read about his prophecies yourself.
like I recommended it easily for you.
W. Cleon Skousen
Prophecy and Modern Times.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
You don't have to buy it, I bet it can be checked out.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
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TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
So what?
The Bible makes it pretty clear that the Jewish tribe would get its own state or nation.
Ezekiel 20:33-38
Ezekiel 22:17-22
Zephaniah 2:1
& many others...
kylerichards33 2 years ago
We have no hesitancy, however, in stipulating that Joseph was, by the standards of the world, not learned. Isaiah foresaw it. (See Isa. 29:1112.) Joseph did not have the skilled, formal tutoring young Saul had at the feet of Gamaliel. (See Acts 22:3.)
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Emma Smith reportedly said that Joseph, at the time of the translation of the Book of Mormon, could not compose a well-worded letter let alone dictating a book like the Book of Mormon [which was] marvelous to me, a marvel and a wonder, as much as to anyone else. (Preston Nibley, The Witnesses of the Book of Mormon, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1968, p. 28.)
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
The same could be said about Mohamed. Does this make the Qu'ran true?
kylerichards33 2 years ago
even if joseph smith got one thing right(?) there are many many other things(pretty much everything) WRONG moses said in
Deuteronomy 18:21-22
You may say to yourselves. "how can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? " if what a prophett proclaims in the name of the Lord does not come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. that prophet has spoken prosumptuously.
so if you belive in the bible this might tell you something about your (prophet) joseph smith
davidericburrows 2 years ago
There are prophecies in the Old Testament that had the same problem. You don't wanna go discounting them too if you will apply that logic do you?
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
would you like to list some.
and by the way you are saying that joseph smith is not a (prophet) according to the word of god he isn't.
davidericburrows 2 years ago
The words you quoted will discount Jeremiah, Isaiah, and other great old testament prophets. Do you still wanna apply that same logic?
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Just giving me names does not show me proof of prophecies in the Bible not comming true. I want actual verses... if you can find them
davidericburrows 2 years ago
Was Joseph unjustly accused as were other prophets? Yes! Even unto this very day fragments of fact are flung at his memory. Paul was accused of being mad and deranged. (See Acts 26:24.) Even Jesus himself was accused of being a winebibber, of being possessed of a devil, and of being mad. (See Matt. 11:19; John 10:20.)
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Even though paul was being called a liar do you agree that all Paul said was true and came true but what about your joseph I don't know of any thing he said that came true or that was true.
davidericburrows 2 years ago
again emma smith might say that joseph couldnt write a letter let alone make up the book of mormon. well he could have been high or under the influence(which is a gainst what the bible teaches) but every one does things unexpected under the influence. or mabey he just lied (which is a sin.) you and i both know that he has lied before. did you know that he had many wives that Emma didn't know about and even some of them were children that lived in his house, and emma didnt even know.
davidericburrows 2 years ago
Prophecies and Modern Times
a book written by W. Cleon Skousen clearly shows the words of Joseph Smith that are coming to pass and have already came to pass.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Unsurprisingly, Joseph Smith, Jr., was still growing spiritually and intellectually, when he was murdered. Yet, Joseph lived long enough to lay out the plan of all the work which God has given you to do as promised in the blessing from his dying father in 1840. Now the ends of the earth inquire after his name. No wonder an admiring but dying Brigham Youngs last words were Joseph, Joseph, Joseph!
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
can yoyu send me an actual quote i have red some of the LDS website but most things are hidden and it is hard to find so if you know where they are copy and paste it since you are already good at copy and paste
davidericburrows 2 years ago
fraser1234 has allot of wonderful talks by Skousen, however the book i mentioned above is what you are looking for concerning Smith.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Not true there are many things that Joseph Smith said that came true, but you want to know more about it, you'll have to read the LDS website about it.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
I didn't know ignorance was a requirement. It's a good thing you have foiled the evil plans of this video. I mean before someone finds out its true.
orcis33 2 years ago
Aside from twisting thigs out of context, you sure do like to weasle out of the lime light by spamming so much jibberish it's not even about how wrong you are. It's just what ever garbage you have to mess up next.
orcis33 2 years ago
No, it strongly diverges from your creedal interpretation of the Bible. There is a big difference.
Rommelator 2 years ago
Since there are many yet great and important things to be revealed that has not been had from before the foundaton of the world, so what if it diverges from the Bible..... the Bible diverges from itself in contradictions, so what? The Bible is not the absolute truth or realistic history either, so what?
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
Your interpretation is ridiculous. Galatians has nothing to do against the angel Moroni, but don't let the fact dissuade you from your eisegetical interpretation.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
Uh, she is a he, just so you know. And he is not anti-Mormon in league with Larson, far from it. You simply don't know what you are talking about.....
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
Dude, you are pro at taking things out of context. Its what you do for a living.
orcis33 2 years ago 2
Did everyone know that all these anti dorks spend more time trying to twist untruths abut mormons they convince themselves it's true? Do they not think we study this stuff? I wish they spent as much time studying their own faith, they might find it easier to turn people against God that way.
orcis33 2 years ago
There are 275 references to angels in the Bible, and only seven of those references have to do with false angels. The fact that Satan may appear as an angel of light obviously does not mean that all angels that appear to man are of Satan.
in retort to your silly 2 Cor. 11:14
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Still doesn't change Lanny Bell and her criticism of Charles Larson and his famous ANTI-Mormon book on the book of abraham.
Lanny Bell straight up destroyed Charles Larson the ANTI-Mormon!
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago 2
visiting Egypt doesn't necesarily mean you have a clue bout Egyptology.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago 2
Yes, and this has nothing to do with this article whatsoever. So what?
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
The question is not whether or not the Letter of Fellowship text is the Book of Abraham. Both the LDS and Non-LDS scholars agree that it isn't. The debate revolves around whether or not Joseph Smith thought it was the source of the Book of Abraham. This is the big debate raging on. The use of the vignette in P. Joseph Smith I does not prerequisite that the surrounding text was also used by Joseph Smith, as has been explained by Professor Gee in his recent work.
Rommelator 2 years ago 3
Not always. Priests, when initiated, became an Osiris in the daily Temple Liturgy as well, which we have known since the 1970s used both the Book of Going Forth by Day and the Letter of Fellowship text in their daily Temple Liturgy.
Rommelator 2 years ago 4
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We don't need "proof" to know that Joseph Smith was called by God.
a LDS member.
strikerhiryu 2 years ago
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Our happy day has arrived.
Joseph smith was correct.
-Lanny Bell-
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Oh for goodness sakes... I'm tired of hearing you pronounce the word "papyrus" wrong. According to every dictionary and normal person, it's pronounced: [puh-PAHY-ruhs], not [PAHP-uh-ruhs]. I'm sorry, but it's hard to take you seriously when you can't even speak English correctly.
Doliath 2 years ago 5
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Excuse me, but it's hard to take you seriously, if you judge what a person is saying by how they articulate it. That just indicates that your version of truth has to conform to the prequisite of your hoity-toityness.
canadianbacon007 2 years ago
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prerequisite of your hoity-toityness even.
canadianbacon007 2 years ago
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that is pronounced- pre·ten·tious characterized by pretension: as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims
canadianbacon007 2 years ago
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It's called freedom of speech ;D
Hehe.
StorminMormin91 2 years ago 2
Shank you Shank you byp! I love your videos. Your love for the scriptures and their validity is contagious man! Please keep it coming
jacecrawford 2 years ago 2
YAY! Joseph Smith is a verifyable prophet!!!
woowoo! We are vindicated!
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago 2
LOL excellent presentation BYP. I respectfully can not go with you on this one either. But it's all good. 5 stars for the dedication to the topic and the presentation! But I'm still not there yet. I'm personally thinking the the broken clock is right at least twice a day. Keep plugging along I have a lot of respect for you.
ReligionThink 2 years ago 4
"From the evidence that we have today, its quite safe to say that Joseph Smith did not have the Book of Abraham or the Book of Joseph in front of him in the form of these papyri because they bear no relationship to the contents of the stories or to his translation." -Lanny Bell
omiolo 2 years ago
What text was this quote from. This is interesting.
ReligionThink 2 years ago 4
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sorry, that quote was randomly pulled off the internet from what I thought was a trusted website. It turned out to be a ANTImormon phishing site and so I followed the source and it did NOT exist.
However, I agree with this quote.
omiolo 2 years ago
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That quote comes from the anti-Mormon video "Lost Book of Abraham". I agree with Bell, the Letter of Fellowship Made By Isis isn't the Book of Abraham. But when you consider that about 80% of the papyri are missing it begs the question of what was on the remaining papyri fragments.
Rommelator 2 years ago
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I have it closer to 99% of the papyri.
I believe JS said there were three roles each went the length of the Nauvoo Mansion.
omiolo 2 years ago
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John Gee has estimated that the amount of papyri missing is closer to 80%.
The reference to the rolls of papyri going through the mansion comes from Hugh Nibley relating an anecdote he heard from Preston Nibley who heard it from Joseph F. Smith while they were visiting Nauvoo. It is a thirdhand reminiscence at best and thus should be taken with a grain of salt. However, other contemporary eyewitnesses like Charlotte Haven report seeing a "long roll" of papyrus.
Rommelator 2 years ago
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I am pretty sure I read it in the History of the Church.
I will verify that.
omiolo 2 years ago
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If you could find such a reference that would be a terrific source. However, in my studies I am only familiar with the before mentioned anecdotal evidence from Nibley.
Rommelator 2 years ago
a papyrus, of any age, is not going to" unroll the length of the Nauvoo temple". they are sorta old. Regardless, we are left with a piece of papyrus we are familiar with. To posit another papyrus that is almost identical to it and correctly interpreted seems odd. It would mean using all the icons and having different meanings. so a "cat" would be "act" or "tac", or who knows what ,in one or another text. This makes as much sense.
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago 6
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Analysis of the papyrus has yielded a result of anywhere from 20 feet (Will Schryver's analysis) to 40 feet (John Gee's analysis) of missing papyrus. I can't back omiolo because he hasn't given references, but I can back the proposition that, in accordance with the testimony of Charlotte Haven and others, we are missing a substantial amount of papyrus. The argument from Gee and others is that the Book of Abraham was on the "long roll" of papyrus that was separated and subsequently destroyed.
Rommelator 2 years ago
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Just for clarification, Gee and others, such as myself, argue that the Book of Abraham came from the scroll of Hor, but that said scroll was substantially longer than we have today. Instead of a few feet of fragments, Gee and others have given Egyptological and historical evidence that the scroll of Hor was substantially longer than it is today and it is from that, now missing, portion of the scroll that the Book of Abraham came from.
Rommelator 2 years ago
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IExposeMyself,
I suggest you put DOWN the ANTImormon propaganda and learn the truth.
omiolo 2 years ago
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I also suggest you QUIT talking about me on every comment section. It gets kind of eerie and desperate.
omiolo 2 years ago
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Hey thanks for being honest here that says a lot about yourself. nicely done. I love the BYP even when we Disagree!
ReligionThink 2 years ago
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some times I disagree with BYP, sometimes I strongly disagree with him, but then I do more research and find out he is right.
Either way I enjoy the scholarship.
omiolo 2 years ago
Brown University;
it isn't like they are Ivy league or anything.....
what does a university like Brown and people with PhD's compare to the Tanners.....
omiolo 2 years ago
BTW, legitimate PhD's. So that disposes of most of the ANTImormon paper dragons.
omiolo 2 years ago
hihihiihi
Qiiiiiii 2 years ago
Is this peer-reviewed research??
Do you have links to the original author?
Scrapheap71 2 years ago
Yes it is. It is in the publication "Egypt and Beyond: Essays Presented to Leonard H. Lesko...," edited by Stephen E. Thompson, Peter Der Manuelian, Dept of Egyptology and Ancient Western Asian Studies, Brown University, 2008: 21-39.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
Unfortunately, all I get on a google search is sites selling that book for $90! :(
Looks lika a solid source of info though. Good job on doing your homework! Your videos are always well researched.
Scrapheap71 2 years ago
Interesting. Thanks.
tjsgigante 2 years ago
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I love you man.
Kolohe86786876786786 2 years ago 3
Good news. Funny how the so called experts continue to fall away. From Dee Jay Nelson on down.
Rasurusan 2 years ago 2
I wouldn't call Dee Jay Nelson an expert in Egyptology an more than I'd call Kent Hovind or Ken Ham an expert in biology.
Scrapheap71 2 years ago 2
When I was on a mission, back when Moses roamed the earth, they hadn't found out that this clown got his degree from a Crackerjack box yet. He was always thrown up as an "expert" to us. I love it when the anti's come off looking completely foolish. That will continue as we learn more.
Rasurusan 2 years ago 2
I think we are doing pretty well if they have to make up degrees to compete with us.
omiolo 2 years ago 3