@Lyphowut did he even say that? I dont think he ever said that churches should run education. He was trying to say we are the architectures of our own education, thus we need freedom of mind and not the government controlling us.
Religion is up to the individual. NOT the family, NOT the church, not anyone but YOURSELF. My family made me go to church, read the Bible, and do the whole nine yards. In High School, I was exposed to the fact that there are in fact OTHER RELIGIONS! It was a shock! I felt as though I'd been lied to. I researched them in the school library and online, and found one that worked for me even better than the one my parents wanted me to follow. All this, thanks to the schools being secular.
The 'assumption', as it is described, is based on the long-established seperation between church and state. Government education is entirely constitutional. The presense of religion in education is utterly unconstitutional. It is scary that people are even talking like this. Evil rises when people forget history and take what these propagandists say at face value. Who ever made this film is an enemy of humanity and human progress and happyness.
@AnthemicPolemic Finally, you see the maker of this movie as your enemy, an enemy of humanity while I see them as a friend and contributing to the betterment of society. This all boils down to the worldview you have versus mine. You may believe as you wish, that is the beauty of America, but the same liberties you have are mine as well.
@AnthemicPolemic At best, it is the proper role of state governments which ideally would delegate that responsibility locally because the educational needs differ from community to community and by limiting the centralized powers of government over education parents and school boards at the community level would have more control over shaping education to meet their specific needs and desires.
What I would like to see is a "portion" of my tax dollars for education returned to me since I in no way utilize the system and could use those dollars as I saw fit; like helping another family afford the cost of homeschooling their children. In addition, your comment about government education being constitutional is not accurate. Read the Constitution, particularly article 1, section 8: no where in this document is education laid out as a responsibility of the federal government.
I don't want to shove my belief down your throat, but the other side of that coin is I don't want your belief system indoctrinating my children. The public school system is a failing battle ground where teaching to the test is called education. I was happy to leave that environment and thrilled to have my children home with me and to savor every minute of their childhood and their education.
@gjfarmer5 It is not a belief system, drop the vacuous rhetoric, then we can talk. Science is a process, a way of thought, theories can be believed, but theory isn't science. You are fighting something that doesn't exist, wasting energy merely because you are too indoctrinated to have a desire to actually read a book or even understand the terminology on a basic level.
The First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. I exited the public school system with my children 7 years ago and have since homeschooled them all on our personal expense while paying approximately $7,000 a year in school taxes. What this movie "Indoctrination" is desiring to do is to to educate all Christians about the Secular Humanist teaching that has infiltrated the education system; they are calling all Christians to make a mass exodus of the system.
@gjfarmer5 Secular humanist teaching hasn't 'infiltrated' the school system - that phrasing suggests some kind of covert effort to manipulate education for some hidden agenda, where the reality is simply that science, as a process and way of thought, has given rise to an era where humanity is more successful as a species than ever, so it follows that one should educate children to be able to compete in such a society. Science does not seek to displace religion, but religion is now redundant.
@7th75thCallaghan Your very argument proves the very heart of the movie to be true.You have obviously sat under 12 or more years of the government school brain washing system.
@slipmats No, my argument is based on extensive testing done alone to prove my own ideas, free from the hysterical attempts to indoctrinate others carried out by disconnected individuals such as yourself. You insult my intelligence with your purile suggestion that the highly inadequate state education system was able to somehow 'brainwash' me. The system is nowhere near coherent enough to systemically brainwash. What it does do is kill creativity and the desire to learn, which is terrible.
@slipmats I'm also becoming an increasingly active campaigner to have faith-schools removed from the entitlement from state funding. I believe this to be morally sound. As a young person, my moral responsibility is to fight the dying, stagnant yet stubborn vanguard of conservatism and right-wing tyranny supported by individuals such as yourself. Your very beliefs retard the intellectual and moral progress of the human race, you are as mistaken as a person can be, it is you that is brainwashed.
@7th75thCallaghan As a participant of the government school system for 12+ years I understand what indoctrination is.As a person who works in the system,I know what indoctrination is.When children are forced to learn humanistic,aetheistic,evolutionary ideas with no chance to hear anything else...I know what indoctrination is. The human race is steeped in evolutionary thinking,this is aiding the retardation of intellectual and moral progress.
@slipmats Children aren't forced to learn such things, they are indeed taught 'anything else', and secular ideas aren't necessarily aetheistic. I was drawn to such ideas without any schooling, the truth has an inescapable gravity i'm afraid. Which is why your tyrannical system is dying, thank god. Religion is taught in schools but as a historical/cultural subject (which is all it should be) so I do not know what you are talking about. I bet that you don't even know the basic ideas of evolution.
@slipmats And failing to understand the basic ideas that form the foundations of scientific and secular thought, you will be unable to combat them on a rational level. The day I meet an outspoken christian who can display a basic understanding of the theory of evolution by natural selection (and I dont mean a hysterical and perverse stream of misinformation that their preacher told them), I will eat my hat and attend a mass. And not in that particular order.
@7th75thCallaghan I am LDS and I think that God used evolution. There is no denying the fact that evolution is taking place. I think the problem on both sides is that they believe the extreams. One saying evolution not God and the other saying god not evolution. I attend BYU Idaho and here it is taught in the middle. We believe in God and that he may very well have used evolution to create us. I'm sorry for those on the religious side that close their minds because of opposition.
@AnthemicPolemic, The term "separation of church and state' actually appears NOWHERE in the Constitution. The phrasing originates from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote in response to the Danbury Baptists. The Danbury Baptists were concerned there would become a singular state sponsored religion and they wanted to be free to worship as they believed.
Government shouldn't run the schools but churches should?
Are you kidding me..
what Churches should run it?
There is 100~ various churches of Christianity, Judism, Muslim(Christians will be okay with this one!), Budist, or Teach science.
Also, Get God OFF our money, and out of the pledge of allegiance!
This is NOT a christian country, stop acting like it one!
Lyphowut 3 months ago
@Lyphowut did he even say that? I dont think he ever said that churches should run education. He was trying to say we are the architectures of our own education, thus we need freedom of mind and not the government controlling us.
kingdomheart4ever 3 months ago
is this video even serious? they put a stupid dramatic background music to make christians scared of sending their children to public school
Novigaming 7 months ago
Religion is up to the individual. NOT the family, NOT the church, not anyone but YOURSELF. My family made me go to church, read the Bible, and do the whole nine yards. In High School, I was exposed to the fact that there are in fact OTHER RELIGIONS! It was a shock! I felt as though I'd been lied to. I researched them in the school library and online, and found one that worked for me even better than the one my parents wanted me to follow. All this, thanks to the schools being secular.
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The 'assumption', as it is described, is based on the long-established seperation between church and state. Government education is entirely constitutional. The presense of religion in education is utterly unconstitutional. It is scary that people are even talking like this. Evil rises when people forget history and take what these propagandists say at face value. Who ever made this film is an enemy of humanity and human progress and happyness.
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@AnthemicPolemic Finally, you see the maker of this movie as your enemy, an enemy of humanity while I see them as a friend and contributing to the betterment of society. This all boils down to the worldview you have versus mine. You may believe as you wish, that is the beauty of America, but the same liberties you have are mine as well.
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@AnthemicPolemic At best, it is the proper role of state governments which ideally would delegate that responsibility locally because the educational needs differ from community to community and by limiting the centralized powers of government over education parents and school boards at the community level would have more control over shaping education to meet their specific needs and desires.
gjfarmer5 1 year ago
What I would like to see is a "portion" of my tax dollars for education returned to me since I in no way utilize the system and could use those dollars as I saw fit; like helping another family afford the cost of homeschooling their children. In addition, your comment about government education being constitutional is not accurate. Read the Constitution, particularly article 1, section 8: no where in this document is education laid out as a responsibility of the federal government.
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I don't want to shove my belief down your throat, but the other side of that coin is I don't want your belief system indoctrinating my children. The public school system is a failing battle ground where teaching to the test is called education. I was happy to leave that environment and thrilled to have my children home with me and to savor every minute of their childhood and their education.
gjfarmer5 1 year ago
@gjfarmer5 It is not a belief system, drop the vacuous rhetoric, then we can talk. Science is a process, a way of thought, theories can be believed, but theory isn't science. You are fighting something that doesn't exist, wasting energy merely because you are too indoctrinated to have a desire to actually read a book or even understand the terminology on a basic level.
7th75thCallaghan 1 year ago
The First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. I exited the public school system with my children 7 years ago and have since homeschooled them all on our personal expense while paying approximately $7,000 a year in school taxes. What this movie "Indoctrination" is desiring to do is to to educate all Christians about the Secular Humanist teaching that has infiltrated the education system; they are calling all Christians to make a mass exodus of the system.
gjfarmer5 1 year ago
@gjfarmer5 Secular humanist teaching hasn't 'infiltrated' the school system - that phrasing suggests some kind of covert effort to manipulate education for some hidden agenda, where the reality is simply that science, as a process and way of thought, has given rise to an era where humanity is more successful as a species than ever, so it follows that one should educate children to be able to compete in such a society. Science does not seek to displace religion, but religion is now redundant.
7th75thCallaghan 1 year ago
@7th75thCallaghan Your very argument proves the very heart of the movie to be true.You have obviously sat under 12 or more years of the government school brain washing system.
slipmats 1 year ago 2
@slipmats No, my argument is based on extensive testing done alone to prove my own ideas, free from the hysterical attempts to indoctrinate others carried out by disconnected individuals such as yourself. You insult my intelligence with your purile suggestion that the highly inadequate state education system was able to somehow 'brainwash' me. The system is nowhere near coherent enough to systemically brainwash. What it does do is kill creativity and the desire to learn, which is terrible.
7th75thCallaghan 1 year ago
@slipmats I'm also becoming an increasingly active campaigner to have faith-schools removed from the entitlement from state funding. I believe this to be morally sound. As a young person, my moral responsibility is to fight the dying, stagnant yet stubborn vanguard of conservatism and right-wing tyranny supported by individuals such as yourself. Your very beliefs retard the intellectual and moral progress of the human race, you are as mistaken as a person can be, it is you that is brainwashed.
7th75thCallaghan 1 year ago
@7th75thCallaghan As a participant of the government school system for 12+ years I understand what indoctrination is.As a person who works in the system,I know what indoctrination is.When children are forced to learn humanistic,aetheistic,evolutionary ideas with no chance to hear anything else...I know what indoctrination is. The human race is steeped in evolutionary thinking,this is aiding the retardation of intellectual and moral progress.
slipmats 1 year ago
@slipmats Children aren't forced to learn such things, they are indeed taught 'anything else', and secular ideas aren't necessarily aetheistic. I was drawn to such ideas without any schooling, the truth has an inescapable gravity i'm afraid. Which is why your tyrannical system is dying, thank god. Religion is taught in schools but as a historical/cultural subject (which is all it should be) so I do not know what you are talking about. I bet that you don't even know the basic ideas of evolution.
7th75thCallaghan 1 year ago
@slipmats And failing to understand the basic ideas that form the foundations of scientific and secular thought, you will be unable to combat them on a rational level. The day I meet an outspoken christian who can display a basic understanding of the theory of evolution by natural selection (and I dont mean a hysterical and perverse stream of misinformation that their preacher told them), I will eat my hat and attend a mass. And not in that particular order.
7th75thCallaghan 1 year ago
@7th75thCallaghan I am LDS and I think that God used evolution. There is no denying the fact that evolution is taking place. I think the problem on both sides is that they believe the extreams. One saying evolution not God and the other saying god not evolution. I attend BYU Idaho and here it is taught in the middle. We believe in God and that he may very well have used evolution to create us. I'm sorry for those on the religious side that close their minds because of opposition.
devmanl 7 months ago
@AnthemicPolemic, The term "separation of church and state' actually appears NOWHERE in the Constitution. The phrasing originates from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote in response to the Danbury Baptists. The Danbury Baptists were concerned there would become a singular state sponsored religion and they wanted to be free to worship as they believed.
gjfarmer5 1 year ago