Whoever posted this vid - do some research on the number of elephants killed in the streets of India each year.
And while you're at it, consider this - employment kills the bodies and spirits of hundreds of millions of human beings. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I don't get all of these comments back and forth on elephants numbers dropping dramiticly and that zoo s are such horriable places for them to be.
Yes some are - however most care deeply and want the very best for them.
You ALL seem to leave OUT the thousands being CULLED today by goverments around the world ... YES - they are being killed off by huge numbers EVEN 2day..
So let's get off the activist stance on zoos and private ownership and onto saving the wild elephants !!!
1. Tell me which govt is culling 1000+ elephants right now?
Culling and Captivity are mutually exclusive. Culling does not mitigate the negative effects of ele captivity. Your logic is silly.
2. How do zoos give the best for eles? By keeping one on 3-5 freaking acres of land? Separating members and transferring them from one zoo to the other like commodities?
To a keep a free-ranging creature, human or animal, on a few acres his whole life is a fate worse than death.
The first ele was displayed in America in1796. If zoos made the public more appreciative of Nature, how come ele poaching was so rampant in 1960s-80s in Africa? How did wild habitats shrink globally? Why is animal cruelty so rampant reducing the world to the shit hole it is today?
this video is not real is run backwards so it's looks like the elephant is going down actual she is getting up. then i think also animals do not belong in a zoo but then we r self living in zoos and just calling it city's and being civilized
@inigomontoya44 Hmmm...i don't read much aye. So why is it I can say for certain that elephants can feel pain, along with other mammals, such as cats, dogs, etc etc, they feel pain, boredom, stress within their envrionments. Feels can mean many things, but I was simply saying we know that elephants are highly intelligent, "feeling" beings (lol). How do we know? Research!
@stargazerlmd Do you understand anything about elephants? Please read a book! Elephants in this type of enclosure require far better. Just because you see a tired animal does not mean its simply lounging around like you on a couch. Imagine spending every day like this...boring huh? Thats exactly how elephants feel, they just like you and me, become bored, stressed and require mental and physical enrichment. Only the wild or sanctuary can provide such an envrionment for these amazing animals.
I dont understand why people bash zoos. Where do people see these animals for the first time? Where do people learn about diseases animals suffer from? Where are breeding programs for endangered species located? Where do people first see these animals and realize how precious they are? Who started the conservation movement? Yes, some early zoos were bad but they brought attention to the plight of numerous species and they are much better now as the needs of the animals are being understood.
@shananagans5 I've never been to a zoo that didn't leave me feeling heartbroken and depressed. To see animals imprisoned like that only teaches me that humans are stupid, insensitive and endlessly cruel. Here's a dirty secret about zoos - people like to see baby animals, so they sell many of the adults off to canned hunting ranges for cowardly fuckwads who shoot them point blank in cages.
@suthrnreject Have you ever been on a hunt? Do you know what the rules are? You can't legally hunt a healthy elephant unless it is a problem animal slated for extermination anyways. You are assigned a game warden to make sure the rules are not broken. You pay $50,000 to $70,000. That money goes to the preserve, the meat goes to local villages. 70K goes a long ways in Africa to help the animals. How much have you donated? Or are you just a libtard that flapps their mouths alot?
@shananagans5 Not elephants, other "zoo" animals, sold off to "game ranches" to make room more the young. They're either "hunted" from within a confined space, a cage, or now from the comfort of your living room via the internet.
And where do you think they get "zoo" animals from in the first place? They hunt them down in their natural habitats and cage them, only to place them in a nicer looking cage for their viewing audience. Flap that, and then learn how to spell.
@suthrnreject The original topic was the Zoo. You say it makes you sick. That is fine. It got you to care, didn't it ? It got you to act, even if all you do is flapp your mouth. The zoo serves a purpose. They learn about animals and they stir the humans emotions. In the end, is there a diff between oh how cute, we must help the elefants and, oh how cruel, we must help the elephants? A picture does not have the same effect.
@shananagans5 Sorry hon, I never needed a zoo to make me care. Just like I didn't need Exxon Mobil or American Idol to open my eyes to what's been going on in the world.
Strange that you think we need bad things to happen in order to care. One would assume that since we're the only species which is presumably capable of even having a code of ethics and morality, we should simply know these things of our own volition.
@shananagans5 - If you buy into their "conservation" message, I suppose I could also convince you that Exxon Mobile cares about the environment and African babies because they sponsor American Idol Gives Back, am I right?
Zoos/conservation are nothing more than window dressing for the true reality that underpins everything we humans do - fuck everything up while applauding ourselves for trying to clean up an ounce of the mess.
@suthrnreject These African countries are not stupid. They know money coming from western countries is their lifeline. The more there is to see, and yes, hunt, the more money they get. They take preservation much more seriously than we do. Now, what is better? Letting an ill elephant die slowly or be eaten by lions or have a hunter take a sick elephant, donate the meat to a hungary village while pumping 50 to 70 K into the preserve. 50K is an expensive lion dinner
@shananagans5 PEOPLE are stupid, PEOPLE! We shit all over everything within reach. What's better is if we grew the fuck up and started acting responsibly. There's enough planet for everyone to be live comfortably without poverty. What we're lacking is common sense and decency.
Oh wait, that's right, we just don't have enough bad things going on in the world yet to really, really care. Maybe I'll buy everyone a ticket to the zoo this weekend and we'll all sing kumbaya over smores.
@suthrnreject I hate to be the one to break this to you but the utopia you seek doesn't exist. People are motivated by money & power. That is not going to change anytime soon. How do you propose we get rid of poverty? Share everything? How has that worked out in the past? LOL People enslave themselves asking for "free" stuff. How did "the war on poverty" work out? Keep on flappppin. Note: the extra pppppps are for dramatic effect.
@shananagans5 Utopia doesn't exist? Who knew! But wait, nana is paving his own road to Utopia - Zoos! Where bad things are actually good b/c, doggone it, they cause some people to care. No, of course you don't see the irony in that, you're too busy adding p's for dramatic flare. Oh, good one, you're so clever!
@shananagans5 Sanity check - You blame poverty on people asking for "free" stuff or not sharing? Wow, you really do have your finger on the pulse of everything. I'm positively fluttttttering my eyelids in coy admiration of your flippppin worldliness.
Note: my extra letters are mocking your extra p's.
@shananagans5 May I just say zoos ARE still "bad". Why you ask, well consider this. Animals in zoos range from wild to domestic, the wild ones require far more space, natural envrionment and enrichment, far beyond what a pen, cage or field can ever provide them. They may recieve the proper health treatment, food and attention, but theres a major thing lacking in any zoo, and thats the ability to roam and explore. Thats why animals in zoos pace back and forth, sway and become bored and stressed
The only reason I know of any endangered species is because I learned about them in a zoo. The only reason we still have such a variety of species is because zoos have protected them. If you want to find real animal abuse, look up the original zoos when people knew nothing about animal needs. For now, though, I think your best bet would be to work with zoos. If they are lacking in areas, at least they try, and any human establishment is imperfect. But we need to help them, not tear them down.
I'm an animal-lover but really doesn't look bad at all. The elephants look well-fed and they have eachother, which is the most important thing for such social animals.
Better to focus energy on ending the use of elephants in circuses, where they definitely ARE abused.
@1980NewWave - place yourself in a prison cell for just a few weeks and then get back to me. You'll be well fed and able to socialize with your cell mates, yet I have no doubt you'll be screaming to get out. Other animals suffer the same emotions we do, including BOREDOM! Elephants travel very long distances in just a day, so their feet in zoos are tortured from standing around endlessly. There are many forms of torture, some slower than others. Zoos are one of the slower ones.
So stop all the whining you bunch of PETA lunatics. PETA misleads it's members and teaches them to hate their fellow humans, rather than doing anything constructive. Anarchists in disguise. Instead of wasting time making ridiculous comments on youtube videos, throwing paint on people that wear fur, or burning laboratories that use mice for testing, try actually making a difference and go become a ranger in a foreign country to prevent poaching.
I feel the need to comment further. Zoos do a great service to the world. Some animals have been saved from extinction and reintroduced to the wild by zoos that coordinated to mate their animals and repopulate a species. They allow people to see animals they normally wouldn't get to see in person, which gives them a greater appreciation of nature. There has been many a youth to become a conservationist simply because of the wonder they felt at seeing such amazing animals at a zoo.
@hzuiel It's not about you! Learn from a book, the Discovery Channel, but do NOT steal them from their natural homes and lives and place them on display so idiots like you can learn to appreciate nature. It's very simple - they suffer too. Just b/c you can't empathize doesn't change this simple fact.
@hzuiel The average person spends 7 seconds looking at an animals exhibit. What do we learn from zoos? That its okay to house exotic creatures in unfit, confined spaces and deprive them from their true home. Plus, zoos hardly help with saving the species, one example is the elephants moved to Australia from thailand, they spent millions alone to get them here...now thats stupid. The zoo bought elephants from one cruel place to exhibit them for our 7 second enjoyment, thats not saving them.
@hzuiel Give me proof, actual proof that by exhibiting animals in pens unfit for their needs provides humans a beneficial experience, there is no such thing.
@hzuiel It is really appalling how ignorant people are about zoo conditions. A zoo going out of its way to capture wild elephants, forcibly remove them from their natural habitat, and stuff them in a cage - that's considered "conservation"? And how do you explain away the statistics that zoo elephants live only 1/4 to 1/2 as long as wild elephants? Yeah, that's doing a lot to save the elephants' lives.
@hzuiel As for your examples of zoos that took extinct populations and reintegrated them back into the wild - Yes, that does happen at some animal sanctuaries. But elephants are not extinct in the wild. It is almost physically possible to raise them in captivity, unless you can give them 50 miles of space to wander (as wild elephants naturally do). So your example is not applicable here. Overwhelmingly, zoos are bad for elephants.
Zoos have mated elephants for so long but this has failed to stabilize dwindling elephant populations. Elephants are still an endangered species.
The millions of dollars zoos have spent on futile breeding programs could have directly funded an anti-poaching unit in an African or Asian national park instead.
@veggiewarriors Fighting poachers is under the jurisdiction of whatever local government the elephant's habitat happens to be in, you can't just raise money and go form a task force to protect elephants. If you raised a bunch of money and sent it to some random government and said "here, protect elephants" there is literally zero guarantee that they won't use the money for something else and what could you do about it if they did? Nothing. And I didn't say that zoos are currently stabilizing
When did I say that we need to send money to some random government? Being from Africa, I know what a stupid move that would be.
I mentioned an anti-poaching unit in a national park. Many are managed by smaller organizations like the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust, Zimbabwean Conservation Task Force ( tirelessly run against the wishes/brutal threats by the ZW govt, Save the Elephants).
Yes, so b/c zoos are not stablizing, they should go ele-free.
@veggiewarriors anything, i said some animals have been saved from extinction and reintroduced into the wild. Elephants have not yet gone extinct in the wild, however if they did, there would still be thousands of elephants in zoos, which would give a glimmer of hope that they could work together to re-introduce them into the wild. Park services, sactuaries, zoos, and many other places all take part in efforts to reintroduce everything from fish, birds, rodents and other species into the wild.
@veggiewarriors Which parts of "elephants have not yet gone extinct" did you not get? I'm using other animals as examples. If the fight to save elephants in the wild is lost, they would have to train and rehabilitate elephants in captivity to survive in the wild and carefully reintroduce them. Some wouldn't suceed and other would, then they would be able to release more elephants to join the herd and learn from the ones that were better able to survive, and the numbers would slowly build.
@veggiewarriors There may be some zoos that try, i dunno, but it's not a focus because elephant numbers are pretty stable, not really going up or down drastically, rhinos and pandas i think are the big ones that they are paniced about going extinct.
1. Exactly, you dunno know any. You have assumed "there may be some".
2. In an earlier comment, you said " And I didn't say that zoos are currently stabilizing". And you're changing your stance now by stating elephant numbers are stable. What's your definition of stable? Which zoo is this?
3. I didn't ask about rhinos and pandas.
You sound like a shill for these corrupt corporations calling themselves zoos.
1. The words "there may be some" are pretty self explanatory and didn't need to be repeated. You obviously don't know what my statement meant or you wouldn't be quoting it as if I slipped up. Quit being so ridiculously smug before you make an ass of yourself.
2. Again you are just quoting stuff that doesn't make sense. I have never at any point implied that zoos are currently breeding and re-releasing elephants into the wild. This is because the elephant population is remaining
@veggiewarriors (2 continued)stable for the most part in africa, and slightly waning in asia. It's not a downward plummet like some animals, like the rhinos i already mentioned. So if elephant numbers start to take a turn for the worse then authorities on animals will start planning how to breed them and place them in the wild. Zoos obviously would play a part in that since they have elephants. Just like they've played a part in many other animal's reintroductions into the wild.
2. "Slightly waning?" The elephant population has fallen by 50% in the last 3 decades alone and continues to do so. The temporary sell-off of ivory stockpiles in South Africa has revived the market for poaching, which is on the rise. Elephants are being protected in certain parks, which could use more funding. But of course, those elephants don't matter to zoos.
They are busy spending about 40MILLION to keep elephants on 3 freaking acres.
@veggiewarriors 3. I'm glad you don't care about other endangered species because it greatly damages your credibility as a veggie warrior. Elephants are amazing animals and important to the ecosystem but so are many others. People on here are basically saying Elephants alone shouldn't be allowed to be kept in zoos, which is biased.
I have news for you, every place where there is room for profit, there is room for corruption. Some zoos are, some are not. Just like anything else.
3. Well, you have not seen my comments on videos pertaining to the captivity of other species so well done, making a fool of yourself again and damaging your credibility as a person of normal intelligence.
Yes, eles are important to the ecosystem. Natural habitats which are the lungs of the earth and ultimately help people, need wild animals (wild eles) as much as wild animals need them. Captivity isn't doing shit for restoring ecological balance.
4. In the case of the elephant, there are NO shades of grey when it comes to captivity. Arguments AGAINST captivity on eles has already been published by the world's FOREMOST AUTHORITIES on eles (Joyce Poole, Dame Daphne Sheldrick, Surendra Varma) ages ago.
Thus, EVERY zoo with elephants in them have no regard whatsoever to the wellbeing of elephants and is consequently, CORRUPT. As simple as that.
@veggiewarriors Nobody said zoos right now are geared up for elephant mass production and reintroduction into the wild. If things get to a point of no return there will have to be a massive effort to create sanctuaries where elephants can be taught to find food on their own before being released into the wild, and any place with live elephants would have to double their efforts at breeding, and donate any healthy young animals they can spare to the effort.
This video pertains to elephants not fish, birds and rodents.
Zoos do nothing to replicate the life of a wild elephant for their captives. They strip elephants of their most basic social and physical skills that make elephants unique and helpful to their ecosystems.
As a result. captive elephants can never be reintroduced to the wild. What you see is a creature that's alive but GENETICALLY DEAD. (Zero conservation value)
That's not hope. It's disgusting and vile animal abuse.
Oh no, an elephant got tired and decided to lay down. They never do that in the wild! *intense sarcasm* Sure they could use a little more space, but those elephants aren't malnourished, there isn't poop laying everywhere, and they aren't beaten. It could be a LOT worse.
People act like all animals hate captivity and want to be free. I bet my dog really hates sleeping in my bed, getting scratched, and having it's own fried egg for breakfast. Poor tormented dog.
@hzuiel - what a friggin' idiot. Comparing a domesticated dog to wild elephants in a zoo! B/c it could be worse, we should just shut up? Many situations in life could be worse, so I assume that you're someone who NEVER complains. Oh yes, and slaves loved their captivity too. They were fed, had a bed, and jobs that made others rich. Whenever they dreamt of freedom, I'm sure they waxed philosophical and said "it could be worse."
@hzuiel Look at the enclosure, does it look like a wild landscape? Do they have miles of different terrain to explore? Do they have anything wild left? No...because this is a man made facility to display animals, not adhere to their needs. Animals in zoos, such as elephants suffer from stress, boredom and other issues because they physically and mentally need stimulation just like we humans do.
Please do your research, any vet would agree with me.
@Missrainbowmuffin If you'd put your unjustified rage aside, shut up for a minute, and actually read something credible or even think for a minute you'd realize how ridiculous everything you're saying is. Yes wild animals prefer space to move around, but as I already said, zoos provide a plethora of opportunities for both average laymen to gain an appreciation for animals, and for conservationists and scientists to learn and save species from extinction. If you don't know this, you know nothing.
@hzuiel Unjustified? Okay here's proof. Taronga Zoo, in Australia spent over 1million, the figure skips my mind, but if you look into that zoo you will see they have thailand elephants. Where did they get them? From a group of unprofessional handlers that sell off their wild, native animals to be shipped over to a place that keeps them in small enclosures, no freedom to roam at all. What exact "plethora" of activities does a pen provide people to observe but animals in a prison for YOUR FUN
@hzuiel We don't require zoos to "appreciate" the wild animals, if you really appreciate wild animals, you wouldn't go to a zoo at all. If you had a heart, you would see the real need to abolish the unjustified, ignorant, uneducated belief that zoos actually "help" wild animals. How does breeding wild animals in captivity, then penning them in small enclosures help them? If zoos cared, they would fund their HOMELANDS and assist LOCAL organisations and SANCTUARIES....sheesh
@Missrainbowmuffin You are just ignorant. Zoos have bred animals in captivity that are dieing off in the wild and in some cases, actually went extinct in the wild. Then they reintroduced the animals back into the wild once regulations helped to restore and maintain some of their natural habitat. And that is not only well documented, but has happened many times, and it's only the tip of the iceberg. Nobody is listening to you cuz you're obviously an uneducated animal enthusiast who knows nothing.
@hzuiel "Sure they could use a little more space?" How about I confine you to a 4x4 room for your whole life? What about LARGEST LAND ANIMAL don't people understand? Elephants have developed foot conditions that ultimately killed them because they spend their lives on a concrete ground with no place to move. Other elephants have become so severely obese from lack of movement that they can't even get up from the ground ("Maggie" at the Alaska Zoo).
@hzuiel The dog example is a bad one & doesn't apply to elephants. Pet dogs have been domesticated for over 500 years. There are few truly "wild" dogs remaining. Elephants are still fully wild, even the ones that work in India have retained their wild instincts. With their strong family structures is unethical to isolate one and "tame it" as a pet. Oh but of course you're smarter than scientists who have done 50 yrs of research, and elephant EXPERTS who have worked with them their whole lives.
@sn0wbunnny Was it really necessary to write a dissertation on a comment i made 2 years ago? Anyone who is sane knows that Zoos serve an invaluable and irreplaceable role in conservation. If you want the elephants to have more room to roam, how about you donate the billions of dollars it'd take to expand every elephant exhibit in every zoo in the world. If you were at least out there trying to raise money for better animal care at zoos I might respect your view but you're just a youtube warrior.
@hzuiel A "youtube warrior"? Stop making ignorant judgments about people you don't know. I actually do donate to animal SANCTUARIES that are doing much more than zoos to save and raise awareness of endangered animals. Yes, zoos do have their benefits, but ultimately, elephants do not belong in zoos. Accept that FACT and stop attacking me as a person simply because you have no basis in your flawed arguments.
@sn0wbunnny I said raising money, not donating money. In order to do what you talk about it takes a lot of money, not just one person's piddly input. You might be lucky enough to make 40 or 50 thou a year, and if you donate 5% of your income, which would be a lot for most people, you'd still only be contributing 2500 or less a year, that's not enough to even feed an elephant for a year, muchless expand their habitat to multiple square miles of space. Most zoos are trapped in an urban environment
@sn0wbunnny and have no room to expand. In other cases it's a sheer lack of funds as it takes a lot of money to build custom enclosures and concrete trenches, moats, walls, and other such things it takes to contain such large animals. And sanctuaries are still a place where animals are kept confined against their will, they just happen to be larger on average because they don't have tourists and so they build in areas where land is cheaper. A larger and well funded zoo would be the same thing.
@sn0wbunnny And you still miss the point completely, zoos serve a function. A necessary function. THAT is a FACT. They promote conservation and make people conscious of the natural world by allowing them to see the animals that are out there in the world, and see how valueable they are. It sucks that some zoos are under funded and constrained by ubran sprawl but they make the best they can. Most zoos and sanctuaries across the world work together to breed animals and preserve them from
@sn0wbunnny extinction. I'm sure there are some actual animal experts(not you) who are against zoos but the fact is that people far more educated and intelligent than either of us are involved in that process and they support both zoos and sanctuaries and other methods of promoting appreciation of the natural world and conservationism. People who spew hatred at zoos and animal captivity are not rational or well informed. The logical thing to do if you care so much, would be to help instead of
@sn0wbunnny whining on youtube. If the zoo nearest you is inadequate, draw attention to their flaws, get involved with real conservationists and scientists, not PETA, and find out what you can do. Wealthy people need tax writeoffs and others can contribute en mass. Keep in mind that the world is just changing from it's "rape the environment, ask questions later" mentality, and that includes zoos which were once only exhibitions for money. Now they are integral to conservation and education.
@hzuiel Can you read? I clearly stated that zoos have their benefits. Why do you feel the need to keep repeating, "Zoos serve a function" and that they "promote conservation." Okay, great. But promoting ELEPHANT conservation is not one of their functions. Because to stuff a bunch of elephants into a zoo does more harm than good. Great, they can't afford to expand their habitat in urban sprawls. Duh. What's your point? That's exactly what I'm saying.
@hzuiel Statistically: Elephants live an average life span of 17 to 19 years in captivity. In the wild they live up to 60 years for African and 80 years for Asian. Elephants born in a zoo are 3 times more likely to die before age 2 than wild calves (even keeping in mind poachers!). 2 year gestation periods with 4 years between calves mean that it's not like zoos can breed the elephants like rabbits. 1 calf every 6 years with a high mortality rate - wow what a great breeding program.
@hzuiel Also, when have zoos ever sent their elephants back to the wild? They don't. And, you stated it: Overcrowding & underfunding. As for the awareness to people - Well, with information accessibility in this day and age, people can watch BBC and Animal Planet in high definition and become interested in elephants that way, rather than stare at a lone elephant standing in a concrete pen. So, why are you still arguing that zoos are good for elephants?
@sn0wbunnny Watching something on tv is not the same as seeing it in person. You can watch a million gorilla videos but I for most people it's a totally different story the first time they see a gorilla in person and make eye contact with it. You may think otherwise but you can't prove that there isn't a worthwhile benefit created by the effect visiting zoos have on youth and adults alike, any more than i can disprove your assumption. All I know is that conservation of nature is on the rise, and
@sn0wbunnny in the public eye more in our day and age than it ever has been, and is only growing strong. Somewhere in the equation zoos play a part along with educational systems(which often include field trips to zoos), national geographic and the like, and other media that introduces people to animals. That and the other benefits of zoos, sanctuaries, etc, and their cooperation with scientists and researchers, i can't even imagine how anyone can argue against one of the building blocks of
@sn0wbunnny conservation. I highly doubt you'd see many reputable researches and conservationists ranting about zoos when the real problems are out in the wild where animals are being driven into extinction on a daily basis.
@hzuiel Yes, that is the real problem. Which is why zoos are not helping when everyone thinks they somehow help. What's your point? I'm saying zoos are bad for elephants. Other things are bad for elephants too, like poachers, human conflict, drought, deforestation, the list goes on.
@hzuiel Sanctuaries are similar to zoos yes, with one fundamental difference: They provide space to the elephants. That is a huge, important factor that improves health and lifestyle. Ok, zoos are great for some small animals or critically endangered ones with only a handful left in the wild that desperately need to breeded. Eles are in the thousands, and die in zoos rather than get released back to the wild. So zoos actually dwindle their numbers, a little bit at a time.
@hzuiel Why do I have to keep repeating myself? As for me, none of the zoos near me have elephants, thankfully. And since I am not a real conservationist or a scientist, I do the best I can by donating to sanctuaries. That's sure as hell way more than 99% of the population does, so why are you attacking me for my donation? 50 other people like me make the same donation, and we save an elephant. Your argument is completely baseless and flawed.
@hzuiel yes, you're right..it could be a lot worse. But, that's no excuse for these tiny spaces for the largest land mammal. And the dog example is not the same thing. My dogs do not normally have the need to roam many miles a day like elephants do. They can develop severe foot conditions from living in these environments.
That is the fattest elephant i have ever seen. But that is what happens when they are feed the wrong stuf and when they have no place to get some exercise. That is painfull to watch.
They should instead be put in a good wild life reserve with at least 15 acers minimum, so they can roam and run freely without having to suffer. I saw these animals in Africa, and it really makes you sad to see them cramped. Don't mention cages in front of a wild elephant. I did when taking to my sister, and the elephant understood and got mad at me.
i agree. this behavior will never change. humans are cruel. they belong in the wild. the elephants are not stupid. they know they have to entertain, otherwise...
What a crappy, barren, dry, hot, shitty environment for a herd of elephants to live in. Not one single blade of grass or drop of water. Hell is right. This is one of the worst zoos I've ever seen.
I am too lazy to check the english term for this behaviour but this is a very common mental problem with zoo animals.
We dont know how they feel but they go completely insane when made into imprisoned slaves and some fall in this condition where they go forward and backwards because their brains are malfunctioning. Happens to polar bears a lot too. Monkeys behave more like humans for example - they lose all their energy and die inside.
the film is very obviously playing in reverse. four out of the five elephants in this scene are walking backwards. i know it's normal to back up if something in the way, but they don't just wander around walking backwards all the time.
Exactly....more liberal vegetarian thinking. Who are you trying to fool with a creepy elephant vid...backwards, poor color and probably edited in yourself making dumb sounds....oh wait....more people like yourself.
take a look at that elephant and then look at a video of one in Kruger national park (South Africa) and you tell me that these animals are not tortured in zoos and circuses. This elephant looks sickly.
1 Your country is ONE of the leading countries in pollution and high emissions
2 America has very large open unused spaces how about more yellow stone reserves
3 America has one of the poorest animal cruelty controls, Your slaughterhouses are poorly run and poorly monitored just take a look on here at some of the American
I apologise to all Americans for my remark abouth Vietnam etc. it was unjust to decent Americans. this guy MalachiteR is an arsehole painting a bad picture of Americans He says he is Russian, why the fuck have him in the usa, hunt him down and send him home
Who the fuck cares about these stupid animals? All they do in the wild is kill any human they might see, so why should we treat them any better? Just a big fucking beast who doesn't understand anything but eating, shitting, and killing.
its not the elephants who are stupid its you.If they are in the wild the only reason they will kill a human is to protect themselves or their herd.Elephants are very loyal to each other something a lot of humans cant even manage.When threatened by ant sort of danger they will all stick together.Its fuckwits like you that should be kept in appauling conditions and then lets see how you would cope.I would love to see an elephant shit in your mouth because you are nothing but a gobshite.
Rofl, before you try to talk to someone on such a higher level than you, learn to spell, okay? And no, elephants kill anything that gets too close. If they're scared of something that's 1/20th their size and they kill it out of "protection". That's just, LOL. Your brain obviously works on the same mentallity as the peanut-sized elephant brain. Go join them in the cage and start humpin in you love em so much, freak. They'd kill you like anyone else, LOL.
Ah i see, a stupid self righteous American who got bigger better than anyone else in the world "The war mongers". Descendants from the thick Irish, well that answers a lot of questions lol. i hear the vietcong killed more of you Americans than the elephants ever did lol.
Decendants or Irish? Vietkong? First off, Americans are decendants of just about every race ever, second off, you mean Viet Nam? You're so smart, lawl. And third off, just because you're a furry who likes animals enough to fuck them in the ass, certainly does not make you better than anything. Also, smartass, I'm Russian, so that kind of throws your whole attempt at a half-assed comment out the window.
oh i do apologise, Russian lol fuck thats even worse lol, all your women are wanting to marry anyone but a russian man, well im not surprised lol, russians are pesants with no money, no jobs no housing, your country is financially in ruins. oh by the way smart arse you spelt descendants wrong lol,not so fucking smart are you Starlin lol. One more thing vietnam is the country arsehole Americans fought the vietcong you thick twat
Ya thats right..set the elephants free....to be killed by poachers. In about 75 years this is the only place that will have elephants so be happy they are at least having them for the next generation. Give them a bigger enclosure yes, but to the idiots who say all zoos are prisons, I lol....
well i used to be proud to be allies with America, i always backed what ever America did or are going to do. When people said that Americans are rude, arrogant, self opinionated, i would defend your country,
When the hell did this become an "American Issue"? We probably have the toughest environmental laws that are ENFORCED than any other country. When I stated the fact that because there is more people, that means they need more space! and guess what? Animals usually get the raw end of that deal. Thats not an "American Issue" that reality.
1 Your country is ONE of the leading countries in pollution and high emissions
2 America has very large open unused spaces how about more yellow stone reserves
3 America has one of the poorest animal cruelty controls, Your slaughterhouses are poorly run and poorly monitored just take a look on here at some of the American
lol if you think its better any were else then you truly are stupid...Slaughterhouses are slaughterhouses no mater what you want to call them. America is one of the leading countries for pollution because of its size. Europe (which is about the size of the us) Has about the same emissions. You waisted enough of my time. I bid you adieu.
The only thing wrong with this is that the enclosure is too small. I am currently in an Animal Law Enforcement Academy here at the San Diego Humane Society/SPCA. There is a law that does say how much an enclosure for certain species should be. The Wild Animal Park's enclosure is huge and the San Diego Zoo is currently working on improving and enhancing the enclosure.
Thats funny, the only thing I see wrong with this is they are in an enclosure.Just because you are an animal law enforcer doesn't make it right,Just because there are laws to back you up doesn't make it right either
I never said I was a Humane Officer. I am currently pursuing a career in Humane Law Enforcement. You should look into that buddy since you seem so "impassioned" by this. Maybe then you can be a vigilante or something. If the zoo is taking good care of their animals then there is nothing we can do but California has very strict humane laws unlike the rest of the country. I've never been to the LA zoo so I don't know what it's like there.
But I gaurantee you that the San Diego Wild Animal Park and the San Diego Zoo take very good care of their animals. You should be glad that California is very pro-animal and and is very impassioned about humane laws while the rest of the country doesn't enforce the kind of humane laws that we do. Settle down bro. Step away from the computer for a bit.
Yeah I suppose there are some places where they treat animals like shite,I think I will too I've been on this thing for like 8 hours or something I hate it because I cant get off it,it is evil...
So wasn't it San Diego Zoo who got all those fines and things fro dead animals. There is a lits some where as to how many animals have died there with in the last 3 years. It was a big number.
I wouldn't know. I didn't hear anything about it at all in the past few years. Must have been another zoo in another state since California is very pro animal.
You can't do that. If you release an animal back into the wild, especially one born and raised in an enclosure, then it does not stand a chance in hell!
Whoever posted this vid - do some research on the number of elephants killed in the streets of India each year.
And while you're at it, consider this - employment kills the bodies and spirits of hundreds of millions of human beings. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
BlueberryWaffleOs 2 months ago
I don't get all of these comments back and forth on elephants numbers dropping dramiticly and that zoo s are such horriable places for them to be.
Yes some are - however most care deeply and want the very best for them.
You ALL seem to leave OUT the thousands being CULLED today by goverments around the world ... YES - they are being killed off by huge numbers EVEN 2day..
So let's get off the activist stance on zoos and private ownership and onto saving the wild elephants !!!
bt5050 8 months ago
@bt5050
1. Tell me which govt is culling 1000+ elephants right now?
Culling and Captivity are mutually exclusive. Culling does not mitigate the negative effects of ele captivity. Your logic is silly.
2. How do zoos give the best for eles? By keeping one on 3-5 freaking acres of land? Separating members and transferring them from one zoo to the other like commodities?
To a keep a free-ranging creature, human or animal, on a few acres his whole life is a fate worse than death.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
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veggiewarriors 8 months ago
The first ele was displayed in America in1796. If zoos made the public more appreciative of Nature, how come ele poaching was so rampant in 1960s-80s in Africa? How did wild habitats shrink globally? Why is animal cruelty so rampant reducing the world to the shit hole it is today?
Technically, your uber-passionate zoo-going masses should've done something.
Zoos give ppl a moment of pleasure before they get back to their pathetic lives again, nothing more.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
Why is this posted in reverse motion????
msk7046 9 months ago
this video is not real is run backwards so it's looks like the elephant is going down actual she is getting up. then i think also animals do not belong in a zoo but then we r self living in zoos and just calling it city's and being civilized
lupolx 1 year ago
Zoos are no places for elephants, especially the Los Angeles Zoo.
awesomeH2O 1 year ago
Looks like a pretty fat and happy elephant to me !
Where's the, " hell ", here ?
Maybe that's where the animal rights folks will wind up for advancing all these lies !
I side with hzuiel in his assessment.
12hc13hb14ha 1 year ago
@inigomontoya44 Hmmm...i don't read much aye. So why is it I can say for certain that elephants can feel pain, along with other mammals, such as cats, dogs, etc etc, they feel pain, boredom, stress within their envrionments. Feels can mean many things, but I was simply saying we know that elephants are highly intelligent, "feeling" beings (lol). How do we know? Research!
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
that wasn't hell. it is just a tired elephant. get a life!!!
stargazerlmd 1 year ago
@stargazerlmd Do you understand anything about elephants? Please read a book! Elephants in this type of enclosure require far better. Just because you see a tired animal does not mean its simply lounging around like you on a couch. Imagine spending every day like this...boring huh? Thats exactly how elephants feel, they just like you and me, become bored, stressed and require mental and physical enrichment. Only the wild or sanctuary can provide such an envrionment for these amazing animals.
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
I dont understand why people bash zoos. Where do people see these animals for the first time? Where do people learn about diseases animals suffer from? Where are breeding programs for endangered species located? Where do people first see these animals and realize how precious they are? Who started the conservation movement? Yes, some early zoos were bad but they brought attention to the plight of numerous species and they are much better now as the needs of the animals are being understood.
shananagans5 1 year ago
@shananagans5 I've never been to a zoo that didn't leave me feeling heartbroken and depressed. To see animals imprisoned like that only teaches me that humans are stupid, insensitive and endlessly cruel. Here's a dirty secret about zoos - people like to see baby animals, so they sell many of the adults off to canned hunting ranges for cowardly fuckwads who shoot them point blank in cages.
suthrnreject 1 year ago
@suthrnreject Have you ever been on a hunt? Do you know what the rules are? You can't legally hunt a healthy elephant unless it is a problem animal slated for extermination anyways. You are assigned a game warden to make sure the rules are not broken. You pay $50,000 to $70,000. That money goes to the preserve, the meat goes to local villages. 70K goes a long ways in Africa to help the animals. How much have you donated? Or are you just a libtard that flapps their mouths alot?
shananagans5 1 year ago
@shananagans5 Not elephants, other "zoo" animals, sold off to "game ranches" to make room more the young. They're either "hunted" from within a confined space, a cage, or now from the comfort of your living room via the internet.
And where do you think they get "zoo" animals from in the first place? They hunt them down in their natural habitats and cage them, only to place them in a nicer looking cage for their viewing audience. Flap that, and then learn how to spell.
suthrnreject 1 year ago
@suthrnreject The original topic was the Zoo. You say it makes you sick. That is fine. It got you to care, didn't it ? It got you to act, even if all you do is flapp your mouth. The zoo serves a purpose. They learn about animals and they stir the humans emotions. In the end, is there a diff between oh how cute, we must help the elefants and, oh how cruel, we must help the elephants? A picture does not have the same effect.
shananagans5 1 year ago
@shananagans5 Sorry hon, I never needed a zoo to make me care. Just like I didn't need Exxon Mobil or American Idol to open my eyes to what's been going on in the world.
Strange that you think we need bad things to happen in order to care. One would assume that since we're the only species which is presumably capable of even having a code of ethics and morality, we should simply know these things of our own volition.
Flap, it's spelled F L A P.
suthrnreject 1 year ago
@shananagans5 - If you buy into their "conservation" message, I suppose I could also convince you that Exxon Mobile cares about the environment and African babies because they sponsor American Idol Gives Back, am I right?
Zoos/conservation are nothing more than window dressing for the true reality that underpins everything we humans do - fuck everything up while applauding ourselves for trying to clean up an ounce of the mess.
suthrnreject 1 year ago
@suthrnreject These African countries are not stupid. They know money coming from western countries is their lifeline. The more there is to see, and yes, hunt, the more money they get. They take preservation much more seriously than we do. Now, what is better? Letting an ill elephant die slowly or be eaten by lions or have a hunter take a sick elephant, donate the meat to a hungary village while pumping 50 to 70 K into the preserve. 50K is an expensive lion dinner
shananagans5 1 year ago
@shananagans5 PEOPLE are stupid, PEOPLE! We shit all over everything within reach. What's better is if we grew the fuck up and started acting responsibly. There's enough planet for everyone to be live comfortably without poverty. What we're lacking is common sense and decency.
Oh wait, that's right, we just don't have enough bad things going on in the world yet to really, really care. Maybe I'll buy everyone a ticket to the zoo this weekend and we'll all sing kumbaya over smores.
suthrnreject 1 year ago
@suthrnreject I hate to be the one to break this to you but the utopia you seek doesn't exist. People are motivated by money & power. That is not going to change anytime soon. How do you propose we get rid of poverty? Share everything? How has that worked out in the past? LOL People enslave themselves asking for "free" stuff. How did "the war on poverty" work out? Keep on flappppin. Note: the extra pppppps are for dramatic effect.
shananagans5 1 year ago
@shananagans5 Utopia doesn't exist? Who knew! But wait, nana is paving his own road to Utopia - Zoos! Where bad things are actually good b/c, doggone it, they cause some people to care. No, of course you don't see the irony in that, you're too busy adding p's for dramatic flare. Oh, good one, you're so clever!
suthrnreject 1 year ago
@shananagans5 Sanity check - You blame poverty on people asking for "free" stuff or not sharing? Wow, you really do have your finger on the pulse of everything. I'm positively fluttttttering my eyelids in coy admiration of your flippppin worldliness.
Note: my extra letters are mocking your extra p's.
suthrnreject 1 year ago
@shananagans5 May I just say zoos ARE still "bad". Why you ask, well consider this. Animals in zoos range from wild to domestic, the wild ones require far more space, natural envrionment and enrichment, far beyond what a pen, cage or field can ever provide them. They may recieve the proper health treatment, food and attention, but theres a major thing lacking in any zoo, and thats the ability to roam and explore. Thats why animals in zoos pace back and forth, sway and become bored and stressed
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
The only reason I know of any endangered species is because I learned about them in a zoo. The only reason we still have such a variety of species is because zoos have protected them. If you want to find real animal abuse, look up the original zoos when people knew nothing about animal needs. For now, though, I think your best bet would be to work with zoos. If they are lacking in areas, at least they try, and any human establishment is imperfect. But we need to help them, not tear them down.
SHEILAjcfreak7 1 year ago
they dont belong there,let them go,please
biroltapmaz1 2 years ago
I'm an animal-lover but really doesn't look bad at all. The elephants look well-fed and they have eachother, which is the most important thing for such social animals.
Better to focus energy on ending the use of elephants in circuses, where they definitely ARE abused.
1980NewWave 2 years ago 2
@1980NewWave - place yourself in a prison cell for just a few weeks and then get back to me. You'll be well fed and able to socialize with your cell mates, yet I have no doubt you'll be screaming to get out. Other animals suffer the same emotions we do, including BOREDOM! Elephants travel very long distances in just a day, so their feet in zoos are tortured from standing around endlessly. There are many forms of torture, some slower than others. Zoos are one of the slower ones.
suthrnreject 1 year ago
all jokes aside. Did he die? Cause it just looks like he laid down to die
acesb24 2 years ago
these zookeepers should go to hell for killing innocent elephants
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hahahah every single elephant is walking backwards. People are talking in some weird backwards english slang.
Oh wait.. the video is being played backwards. tooooo funny!!!
Clearly the exhibit is too small but it does not give you the right to misrepresent this video as an elephant dying.
shauncool 2 years ago
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shauncool 2 years ago
fuck your self.... aaggghhoooohhaaaaaaac
xilo144 3 years ago
This video is being played backwards. And it shows nothing at all related to cruelty in a zoo.
ireshaimase 3 years ago 2
Are you blind or just a bit thick? The conditions are disgusting.
cottonwhiskersuk 2 years ago
thats a sin
sportywolf 3 years ago
this why im not agree with zoo . hate zoo .they must leave into the wild . stupid bastards
DmxNr1 3 years ago
Zoos should become extinct! Only Sanctuaries where people are not allowed to come and stare at the animals should be built! There are so few!
SweetJudith12345 3 years ago
So stop all the whining you bunch of PETA lunatics. PETA misleads it's members and teaches them to hate their fellow humans, rather than doing anything constructive. Anarchists in disguise. Instead of wasting time making ridiculous comments on youtube videos, throwing paint on people that wear fur, or burning laboratories that use mice for testing, try actually making a difference and go become a ranger in a foreign country to prevent poaching.
hzuiel 3 years ago 5
I feel the need to comment further. Zoos do a great service to the world. Some animals have been saved from extinction and reintroduced to the wild by zoos that coordinated to mate their animals and repopulate a species. They allow people to see animals they normally wouldn't get to see in person, which gives them a greater appreciation of nature. There has been many a youth to become a conservationist simply because of the wonder they felt at seeing such amazing animals at a zoo.
hzuiel 3 years ago 12
@hzuiel It's not about you! Learn from a book, the Discovery Channel, but do NOT steal them from their natural homes and lives and place them on display so idiots like you can learn to appreciate nature. It's very simple - they suffer too. Just b/c you can't empathize doesn't change this simple fact.
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Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@hzuiel The average person spends 7 seconds looking at an animals exhibit. What do we learn from zoos? That its okay to house exotic creatures in unfit, confined spaces and deprive them from their true home. Plus, zoos hardly help with saving the species, one example is the elephants moved to Australia from thailand, they spent millions alone to get them here...now thats stupid. The zoo bought elephants from one cruel place to exhibit them for our 7 second enjoyment, thats not saving them.
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@hzuiel Give me proof, actual proof that by exhibiting animals in pens unfit for their needs provides humans a beneficial experience, there is no such thing.
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@hzuiel It is really appalling how ignorant people are about zoo conditions. A zoo going out of its way to capture wild elephants, forcibly remove them from their natural habitat, and stuff them in a cage - that's considered "conservation"? And how do you explain away the statistics that zoo elephants live only 1/4 to 1/2 as long as wild elephants? Yeah, that's doing a lot to save the elephants' lives.
sn0wbunnny 1 year ago
@hzuiel As for your examples of zoos that took extinct populations and reintegrated them back into the wild - Yes, that does happen at some animal sanctuaries. But elephants are not extinct in the wild. It is almost physically possible to raise them in captivity, unless you can give them 50 miles of space to wander (as wild elephants naturally do). So your example is not applicable here. Overwhelmingly, zoos are bad for elephants.
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veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@hzuiel
Zoos have mated elephants for so long but this has failed to stabilize dwindling elephant populations. Elephants are still an endangered species.
The millions of dollars zoos have spent on futile breeding programs could have directly funded an anti-poaching unit in an African or Asian national park instead.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors Fighting poachers is under the jurisdiction of whatever local government the elephant's habitat happens to be in, you can't just raise money and go form a task force to protect elephants. If you raised a bunch of money and sent it to some random government and said "here, protect elephants" there is literally zero guarantee that they won't use the money for something else and what could you do about it if they did? Nothing. And I didn't say that zoos are currently stabilizing
hzuiel 8 months ago
@hzuiel
When did I say that we need to send money to some random government? Being from Africa, I know what a stupid move that would be.
I mentioned an anti-poaching unit in a national park. Many are managed by smaller organizations like the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust, Zimbabwean Conservation Task Force ( tirelessly run against the wishes/brutal threats by the ZW govt, Save the Elephants).
Yes, so b/c zoos are not stablizing, they should go ele-free.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors anything, i said some animals have been saved from extinction and reintroduced into the wild. Elephants have not yet gone extinct in the wild, however if they did, there would still be thousands of elephants in zoos, which would give a glimmer of hope that they could work together to re-introduce them into the wild. Park services, sactuaries, zoos, and many other places all take part in efforts to reintroduce everything from fish, birds, rodents and other species into the wild.
hzuiel 8 months ago
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veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors Which parts of "elephants have not yet gone extinct" did you not get? I'm using other animals as examples. If the fight to save elephants in the wild is lost, they would have to train and rehabilitate elephants in captivity to survive in the wild and carefully reintroduce them. Some wouldn't suceed and other would, then they would be able to release more elephants to join the herd and learn from the ones that were better able to survive, and the numbers would slowly build.
hzuiel 8 months ago
@hzuiel
Why do elephants have to get extinct (i.e "the fight have to be lost") in order for zoos to train them and begin rehabilitation to the wild?
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors There may be some zoos that try, i dunno, but it's not a focus because elephant numbers are pretty stable, not really going up or down drastically, rhinos and pandas i think are the big ones that they are paniced about going extinct.
hzuiel 8 months ago
@hzuiel
1. Exactly, you dunno know any. You have assumed "there may be some".
2. In an earlier comment, you said " And I didn't say that zoos are currently stabilizing". And you're changing your stance now by stating elephant numbers are stable. What's your definition of stable? Which zoo is this?
3. I didn't ask about rhinos and pandas.
You sound like a shill for these corrupt corporations calling themselves zoos.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors
1. The words "there may be some" are pretty self explanatory and didn't need to be repeated. You obviously don't know what my statement meant or you wouldn't be quoting it as if I slipped up. Quit being so ridiculously smug before you make an ass of yourself.
2. Again you are just quoting stuff that doesn't make sense. I have never at any point implied that zoos are currently breeding and re-releasing elephants into the wild. This is because the elephant population is remaining
hzuiel 8 months ago
@hzuiel
1. "There may be some zoos that try, i DUNNO" So you don't know the facts.
2. Well, they're your quotes, LOL. U don't make sense.
The population is not remaining, whichever way you look at it.
Wild populations are already critically endangered in places like Angola, ZW, India.
Not a SINGLE zoo has reintroduced captive eles to replace them.
How could they when captive eles are dying out at a faster rate with the drastically shortened average lifespans?
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors (2 continued)stable for the most part in africa, and slightly waning in asia. It's not a downward plummet like some animals, like the rhinos i already mentioned. So if elephant numbers start to take a turn for the worse then authorities on animals will start planning how to breed them and place them in the wild. Zoos obviously would play a part in that since they have elephants. Just like they've played a part in many other animal's reintroductions into the wild.
hzuiel 8 months ago
@hzuiel
2. "Slightly waning?" The elephant population has fallen by 50% in the last 3 decades alone and continues to do so. The temporary sell-off of ivory stockpiles in South Africa has revived the market for poaching, which is on the rise. Elephants are being protected in certain parks, which could use more funding. But of course, those elephants don't matter to zoos.
They are busy spending about 40MILLION to keep elephants on 3 freaking acres.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors 3. I'm glad you don't care about other endangered species because it greatly damages your credibility as a veggie warrior. Elephants are amazing animals and important to the ecosystem but so are many others. People on here are basically saying Elephants alone shouldn't be allowed to be kept in zoos, which is biased.
I have news for you, every place where there is room for profit, there is room for corruption. Some zoos are, some are not. Just like anything else.
hzuiel 8 months ago
@hzuiel
3. Well, you have not seen my comments on videos pertaining to the captivity of other species so well done, making a fool of yourself again and damaging your credibility as a person of normal intelligence.
Yes, eles are important to the ecosystem. Natural habitats which are the lungs of the earth and ultimately help people, need wild animals (wild eles) as much as wild animals need them. Captivity isn't doing shit for restoring ecological balance.
Your logic is ridiculous.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@hzuiel
4. In the case of the elephant, there are NO shades of grey when it comes to captivity. Arguments AGAINST captivity on eles has already been published by the world's FOREMOST AUTHORITIES on eles (Joyce Poole, Dame Daphne Sheldrick, Surendra Varma) ages ago.
Thus, EVERY zoo with elephants in them have no regard whatsoever to the wellbeing of elephants and is consequently, CORRUPT. As simple as that.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors Nobody said zoos right now are geared up for elephant mass production and reintroduction into the wild. If things get to a point of no return there will have to be a massive effort to create sanctuaries where elephants can be taught to find food on their own before being released into the wild, and any place with live elephants would have to double their efforts at breeding, and donate any healthy young animals they can spare to the effort.
hzuiel 8 months ago
@hzuiel
So how many MORE dead captive elephants will it take to reach that point of no return?
Studies already showed arthritis, still-births, neurotic behavior, aggression, weight/ foot disease, stereotypic swaying, infant mortality and infertility was HIGHER in captive elephants.
The avg lifespan of captive eles is almost halved compared to wild eles.
Zoos are killing off eles faster than keeping them alive.
That bloody point of no return was reached ages ago.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
@veggiewarriors damn veggies go get a job
pafcjon2 7 months ago
@pafcjon2
Go read a book on elephants in captivity.
veggiewarriors 7 months ago
@veggiewarriors nope
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@hzuiel
This video pertains to elephants not fish, birds and rodents.
Zoos do nothing to replicate the life of a wild elephant for their captives. They strip elephants of their most basic social and physical skills that make elephants unique and helpful to their ecosystems.
As a result. captive elephants can never be reintroduced to the wild. What you see is a creature that's alive but GENETICALLY DEAD. (Zero conservation value)
That's not hope. It's disgusting and vile animal abuse.
veggiewarriors 8 months ago
Oh no, an elephant got tired and decided to lay down. They never do that in the wild! *intense sarcasm* Sure they could use a little more space, but those elephants aren't malnourished, there isn't poop laying everywhere, and they aren't beaten. It could be a LOT worse.
People act like all animals hate captivity and want to be free. I bet my dog really hates sleeping in my bed, getting scratched, and having it's own fried egg for breakfast. Poor tormented dog.
hzuiel 3 years ago 13
@hzuiel - what a friggin' idiot. Comparing a domesticated dog to wild elephants in a zoo! B/c it could be worse, we should just shut up? Many situations in life could be worse, so I assume that you're someone who NEVER complains. Oh yes, and slaves loved their captivity too. They were fed, had a bed, and jobs that made others rich. Whenever they dreamt of freedom, I'm sure they waxed philosophical and said "it could be worse."
suthrnreject 1 year ago
@hzuiel Look at the enclosure, does it look like a wild landscape? Do they have miles of different terrain to explore? Do they have anything wild left? No...because this is a man made facility to display animals, not adhere to their needs. Animals in zoos, such as elephants suffer from stress, boredom and other issues because they physically and mentally need stimulation just like we humans do.
Please do your research, any vet would agree with me.
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@Missrainbowmuffin If you'd put your unjustified rage aside, shut up for a minute, and actually read something credible or even think for a minute you'd realize how ridiculous everything you're saying is. Yes wild animals prefer space to move around, but as I already said, zoos provide a plethora of opportunities for both average laymen to gain an appreciation for animals, and for conservationists and scientists to learn and save species from extinction. If you don't know this, you know nothing.
hzuiel 1 year ago
@hzuiel Unjustified? Okay here's proof. Taronga Zoo, in Australia spent over 1million, the figure skips my mind, but if you look into that zoo you will see they have thailand elephants. Where did they get them? From a group of unprofessional handlers that sell off their wild, native animals to be shipped over to a place that keeps them in small enclosures, no freedom to roam at all. What exact "plethora" of activities does a pen provide people to observe but animals in a prison for YOUR FUN
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@hzuiel We don't require zoos to "appreciate" the wild animals, if you really appreciate wild animals, you wouldn't go to a zoo at all. If you had a heart, you would see the real need to abolish the unjustified, ignorant, uneducated belief that zoos actually "help" wild animals. How does breeding wild animals in captivity, then penning them in small enclosures help them? If zoos cared, they would fund their HOMELANDS and assist LOCAL organisations and SANCTUARIES....sheesh
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@Missrainbowmuffin You are just ignorant. Zoos have bred animals in captivity that are dieing off in the wild and in some cases, actually went extinct in the wild. Then they reintroduced the animals back into the wild once regulations helped to restore and maintain some of their natural habitat. And that is not only well documented, but has happened many times, and it's only the tip of the iceberg. Nobody is listening to you cuz you're obviously an uneducated animal enthusiast who knows nothing.
hzuiel 1 year ago
@hzuiel Your dog is domesticated, these elephants are NOT.
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@hzuiel "Sure they could use a little more space?" How about I confine you to a 4x4 room for your whole life? What about LARGEST LAND ANIMAL don't people understand? Elephants have developed foot conditions that ultimately killed them because they spend their lives on a concrete ground with no place to move. Other elephants have become so severely obese from lack of movement that they can't even get up from the ground ("Maggie" at the Alaska Zoo).
sn0wbunnny 1 year ago
@hzuiel The dog example is a bad one & doesn't apply to elephants. Pet dogs have been domesticated for over 500 years. There are few truly "wild" dogs remaining. Elephants are still fully wild, even the ones that work in India have retained their wild instincts. With their strong family structures is unethical to isolate one and "tame it" as a pet. Oh but of course you're smarter than scientists who have done 50 yrs of research, and elephant EXPERTS who have worked with them their whole lives.
sn0wbunnny 1 year ago
@sn0wbunnny Was it really necessary to write a dissertation on a comment i made 2 years ago? Anyone who is sane knows that Zoos serve an invaluable and irreplaceable role in conservation. If you want the elephants to have more room to roam, how about you donate the billions of dollars it'd take to expand every elephant exhibit in every zoo in the world. If you were at least out there trying to raise money for better animal care at zoos I might respect your view but you're just a youtube warrior.
hzuiel 1 year ago
@hzuiel A "youtube warrior"? Stop making ignorant judgments about people you don't know. I actually do donate to animal SANCTUARIES that are doing much more than zoos to save and raise awareness of endangered animals. Yes, zoos do have their benefits, but ultimately, elephants do not belong in zoos. Accept that FACT and stop attacking me as a person simply because you have no basis in your flawed arguments.
sn0wbunnny 11 months ago
@sn0wbunnny I said raising money, not donating money. In order to do what you talk about it takes a lot of money, not just one person's piddly input. You might be lucky enough to make 40 or 50 thou a year, and if you donate 5% of your income, which would be a lot for most people, you'd still only be contributing 2500 or less a year, that's not enough to even feed an elephant for a year, muchless expand their habitat to multiple square miles of space. Most zoos are trapped in an urban environment
hzuiel 11 months ago
@sn0wbunnny and have no room to expand. In other cases it's a sheer lack of funds as it takes a lot of money to build custom enclosures and concrete trenches, moats, walls, and other such things it takes to contain such large animals. And sanctuaries are still a place where animals are kept confined against their will, they just happen to be larger on average because they don't have tourists and so they build in areas where land is cheaper. A larger and well funded zoo would be the same thing.
hzuiel 11 months ago
@sn0wbunnny And you still miss the point completely, zoos serve a function. A necessary function. THAT is a FACT. They promote conservation and make people conscious of the natural world by allowing them to see the animals that are out there in the world, and see how valueable they are. It sucks that some zoos are under funded and constrained by ubran sprawl but they make the best they can. Most zoos and sanctuaries across the world work together to breed animals and preserve them from
hzuiel 11 months ago
@sn0wbunnny extinction. I'm sure there are some actual animal experts(not you) who are against zoos but the fact is that people far more educated and intelligent than either of us are involved in that process and they support both zoos and sanctuaries and other methods of promoting appreciation of the natural world and conservationism. People who spew hatred at zoos and animal captivity are not rational or well informed. The logical thing to do if you care so much, would be to help instead of
hzuiel 11 months ago
@sn0wbunnny whining on youtube. If the zoo nearest you is inadequate, draw attention to their flaws, get involved with real conservationists and scientists, not PETA, and find out what you can do. Wealthy people need tax writeoffs and others can contribute en mass. Keep in mind that the world is just changing from it's "rape the environment, ask questions later" mentality, and that includes zoos which were once only exhibitions for money. Now they are integral to conservation and education.
hzuiel 11 months ago
@hzuiel Can you read? I clearly stated that zoos have their benefits. Why do you feel the need to keep repeating, "Zoos serve a function" and that they "promote conservation." Okay, great. But promoting ELEPHANT conservation is not one of their functions. Because to stuff a bunch of elephants into a zoo does more harm than good. Great, they can't afford to expand their habitat in urban sprawls. Duh. What's your point? That's exactly what I'm saying.
sn0wbunnny 11 months ago
@hzuiel Statistically: Elephants live an average life span of 17 to 19 years in captivity. In the wild they live up to 60 years for African and 80 years for Asian. Elephants born in a zoo are 3 times more likely to die before age 2 than wild calves (even keeping in mind poachers!). 2 year gestation periods with 4 years between calves mean that it's not like zoos can breed the elephants like rabbits. 1 calf every 6 years with a high mortality rate - wow what a great breeding program.
sn0wbunnny 11 months ago
@hzuiel Also, when have zoos ever sent their elephants back to the wild? They don't. And, you stated it: Overcrowding & underfunding. As for the awareness to people - Well, with information accessibility in this day and age, people can watch BBC and Animal Planet in high definition and become interested in elephants that way, rather than stare at a lone elephant standing in a concrete pen. So, why are you still arguing that zoos are good for elephants?
sn0wbunnny 11 months ago
@sn0wbunnny Watching something on tv is not the same as seeing it in person. You can watch a million gorilla videos but I for most people it's a totally different story the first time they see a gorilla in person and make eye contact with it. You may think otherwise but you can't prove that there isn't a worthwhile benefit created by the effect visiting zoos have on youth and adults alike, any more than i can disprove your assumption. All I know is that conservation of nature is on the rise, and
hzuiel 8 months ago
@sn0wbunnny in the public eye more in our day and age than it ever has been, and is only growing strong. Somewhere in the equation zoos play a part along with educational systems(which often include field trips to zoos), national geographic and the like, and other media that introduces people to animals. That and the other benefits of zoos, sanctuaries, etc, and their cooperation with scientists and researchers, i can't even imagine how anyone can argue against one of the building blocks of
hzuiel 8 months ago
@sn0wbunnny conservation. I highly doubt you'd see many reputable researches and conservationists ranting about zoos when the real problems are out in the wild where animals are being driven into extinction on a daily basis.
hzuiel 8 months ago
@hzuiel Yes, that is the real problem. Which is why zoos are not helping when everyone thinks they somehow help. What's your point? I'm saying zoos are bad for elephants. Other things are bad for elephants too, like poachers, human conflict, drought, deforestation, the list goes on.
sn0wbunnny 7 months ago
@hzuiel Sanctuaries are similar to zoos yes, with one fundamental difference: They provide space to the elephants. That is a huge, important factor that improves health and lifestyle. Ok, zoos are great for some small animals or critically endangered ones with only a handful left in the wild that desperately need to breeded. Eles are in the thousands, and die in zoos rather than get released back to the wild. So zoos actually dwindle their numbers, a little bit at a time.
sn0wbunnny 11 months ago
@hzuiel Why do I have to keep repeating myself? As for me, none of the zoos near me have elephants, thankfully. And since I am not a real conservationist or a scientist, I do the best I can by donating to sanctuaries. That's sure as hell way more than 99% of the population does, so why are you attacking me for my donation? 50 other people like me make the same donation, and we save an elephant. Your argument is completely baseless and flawed.
sn0wbunnny 11 months ago
@hzuiel yes, you're right..it could be a lot worse. But, that's no excuse for these tiny spaces for the largest land mammal. And the dog example is not the same thing. My dogs do not normally have the need to roam many miles a day like elephants do. They can develop severe foot conditions from living in these environments.
littlefurballs 1 year ago
@hzuiel ur point is so stupid that it made me cry. Animals are diffrent, dogs and elephant are not same animal u dumb fuck.
ThunderWindz 7 months ago
@ThunderWindz I'm not a dumb fuck, thank you for your pointless comment, good day now.
hzuiel 7 months ago
i feel bad for that elephant
JohnTheMJ 3 years ago
That is the fattest elephant i have ever seen. But that is what happens when they are feed the wrong stuf and when they have no place to get some exercise. That is painfull to watch.
cmk1971 3 years ago
cool
skullboyz619 3 years ago
The San Diego wild animal park is so much better. And the animals have at least 8 acres to roam in.
billiejean4356 3 years ago
They should instead be put in a good wild life reserve with at least 15 acers minimum, so they can roam and run freely without having to suffer. I saw these animals in Africa, and it really makes you sad to see them cramped. Don't mention cages in front of a wild elephant. I did when taking to my sister, and the elephant understood and got mad at me.
Chris9017 3 years ago
This is sad..poor animals have to suffer for the entertainment of people. Humans are just to f...ing dumb and crazy.
diegontoya1 3 years ago
i agree. this behavior will never change. humans are cruel. they belong in the wild. the elephants are not stupid. they know they have to entertain, otherwise...
totoni2000 3 years ago
What a crappy, barren, dry, hot, shitty environment for a herd of elephants to live in. Not one single blade of grass or drop of water. Hell is right. This is one of the worst zoos I've ever seen.
journeyman47 3 years ago
treeka215 : This movie is NOT played backwards.
I am too lazy to check the english term for this behaviour but this is a very common mental problem with zoo animals.
We dont know how they feel but they go completely insane when made into imprisoned slaves and some fall in this condition where they go forward and backwards because their brains are malfunctioning. Happens to polar bears a lot too. Monkeys behave more like humans for example - they lose all their energy and die inside.
mufuti9 3 years ago
the film is very obviously playing in reverse. four out of the five elephants in this scene are walking backwards. i know it's normal to back up if something in the way, but they don't just wander around walking backwards all the time.
iamozy 2 years ago 5
@iamozy
Exactly....more liberal vegetarian thinking. Who are you trying to fool with a creepy elephant vid...backwards, poor color and probably edited in yourself making dumb sounds....oh wait....more people like yourself.
theshyguitarist 3 months ago
God i would rather go to elephant hell then Exetremly horny monkey hell.
DudeSweet2332 3 years ago
take a look at that elephant and then look at a video of one in Kruger national park (South Africa) and you tell me that these animals are not tortured in zoos and circuses. This elephant looks sickly.
gmt903 3 years ago 2
REally? You see no torture? Did you miss the cramped and filthy space?
aanapavam 3 years ago
Its just resting
39325dlee 3 years ago
usa rules got plenty of weapons
bnzbrl 3 years ago
that animals need help!!!!!!1
atosmilatos 3 years ago
that SUCKED what was so great about it
mintman71 3 years ago
boring
frogeye3000 3 years ago
why is this video being played BACKWARDS? it's a common fact that Asian elephants lay down frequently... i see no torture in here.
I do agree that elephants need more land to roam in, but other than that, I think the animals look healthy.
treeka215 3 years ago
san antonio has the best zoo cause its a rare thing for our zoo to have mistreated animals. really. we have little animals but we take care of em.
somebody should close down that zooo and set animals free.
funkyhenry 4 years ago
1 dont be jelous that our country has a bigger and more efficent industry than yours
2 dont be jelous that were bigger and could kick your countrys ass if we wanted to
3 dont be jelous that my dog can kick your dogs ass anyday >.>
theexpelled01 4 years ago
1st things 1st dickwad. Learn how to spell and whilst you're at it, learn some gramma.
Knob
sstuart85 4 years ago
haha yes sir mr grammer teacher
theexpelled01 4 years ago
gramma - lmao
killersamuk 4 years ago
grammar. pmsl
elib257 3 years ago
Slaughterhouses,i.e KFC, Horse Slaughter, Cattle Slaughter. Pig Slaughter and the list goes on.
Your government could do a lot more to lead the way in these issues after all America is One of the world leaders
benglebot 4 years ago
I was talking about your rude attitude.
OK lets make it an American issue.
1 Your country is ONE of the leading countries in pollution and high emissions
2 America has very large open unused spaces how about more yellow stone reserves
3 America has one of the poorest animal cruelty controls, Your slaughterhouses are poorly run and poorly monitored just take a look on here at some of the American
benglebot 4 years ago
muppets the lot of yous...
poor elephants.
kevbielo 4 years ago
I apologise to all Americans for my remark abouth Vietnam etc. it was unjust to decent Americans. this guy MalachiteR is an arsehole painting a bad picture of Americans He says he is Russian, why the fuck have him in the usa, hunt him down and send him home
benglebot 4 years ago
Who the fuck cares about these stupid animals? All they do in the wild is kill any human they might see, so why should we treat them any better? Just a big fucking beast who doesn't understand anything but eating, shitting, and killing.
MalachiteR 4 years ago
Who cares!.......u should be fucking kiding me u cock head...
Normal person will care...
Knight9494 4 years ago
No, freaky animal lovers will care. Normal people will say "Wow, it's a dumb animal who would probably kill me if I looked at it wrong"
Why sympathise with a retarded beast who wants to trample you with it's peanut size brain?
MalachiteR 4 years ago 2
its not the elephants who are stupid its you.If they are in the wild the only reason they will kill a human is to protect themselves or their herd.Elephants are very loyal to each other something a lot of humans cant even manage.When threatened by ant sort of danger they will all stick together.Its fuckwits like you that should be kept in appauling conditions and then lets see how you would cope.I would love to see an elephant shit in your mouth because you are nothing but a gobshite.
benglebot 4 years ago
Rofl, before you try to talk to someone on such a higher level than you, learn to spell, okay? And no, elephants kill anything that gets too close. If they're scared of something that's 1/20th their size and they kill it out of "protection". That's just, LOL. Your brain obviously works on the same mentallity as the peanut-sized elephant brain. Go join them in the cage and start humpin in you love em so much, freak. They'd kill you like anyone else, LOL.
MalachiteR 4 years ago
Ah i see, a stupid self righteous American who got bigger better than anyone else in the world "The war mongers". Descendants from the thick Irish, well that answers a lot of questions lol. i hear the vietcong killed more of you Americans than the elephants ever did lol.
benglebot 4 years ago
Decendants or Irish? Vietkong? First off, Americans are decendants of just about every race ever, second off, you mean Viet Nam? You're so smart, lawl. And third off, just because you're a furry who likes animals enough to fuck them in the ass, certainly does not make you better than anything. Also, smartass, I'm Russian, so that kind of throws your whole attempt at a half-assed comment out the window.
MalachiteR 4 years ago
oh i do apologise, Russian lol fuck thats even worse lol, all your women are wanting to marry anyone but a russian man, well im not surprised lol, russians are pesants with no money, no jobs no housing, your country is financially in ruins. oh by the way smart arse you spelt descendants wrong lol,not so fucking smart are you Starlin lol. One more thing vietnam is the country arsehole Americans fought the vietcong you thick twat
benglebot 4 years ago
That is so sad and cruel
neesan1 4 years ago
Ya thats right..set the elephants free....to be killed by poachers. In about 75 years this is the only place that will have elephants so be happy they are at least having them for the next generation. Give them a bigger enclosure yes, but to the idiots who say all zoos are prisons, I lol....
jaykia 4 years ago
Zoo's should be banned, lets see more conservation parks where room is not a problem and a breading programme can be established.
benglebot 4 years ago
That wont happen any time soon. More people = more space needed. Get that through your thick head.
jaykia 4 years ago
well i used to be proud to be allies with America, i always backed what ever America did or are going to do. When people said that Americans are rude, arrogant, self opinionated, i would defend your country,
it looks like those people were right
benglebot44 4 years ago
When the hell did this become an "American Issue"? We probably have the toughest environmental laws that are ENFORCED than any other country. When I stated the fact that because there is more people, that means they need more space! and guess what? Animals usually get the raw end of that deal. Thats not an "American Issue" that reality.
jaykia 4 years ago
I was talking about your rude attitude.
OK lets make it an American issue.
1 Your country is ONE of the leading countries in pollution and high emissions
2 America has very large open unused spaces how about more yellow stone reserves
3 America has one of the poorest animal cruelty controls, Your slaughterhouses are poorly run and poorly monitored just take a look on here at some of the American
benglebot 4 years ago
Slaughter houses,i.e KFC, Horse Slaughter, Cattle Slaughter. Pig Slaughter and the list goes on.
Your government could do a lot more to lead the way in these issues after all America is One of the world leaders
benglebot 4 years ago
lol if you think its better any were else then you truly are stupid...Slaughterhouses are slaughterhouses no mater what you want to call them. America is one of the leading countries for pollution because of its size. Europe (which is about the size of the us) Has about the same emissions. You waisted enough of my time. I bid you adieu.
jaykia 4 years ago
That's criminal.
chardunk 4 years ago
The only thing wrong with this is that the enclosure is too small. I am currently in an Animal Law Enforcement Academy here at the San Diego Humane Society/SPCA. There is a law that does say how much an enclosure for certain species should be. The Wild Animal Park's enclosure is huge and the San Diego Zoo is currently working on improving and enhancing the enclosure.
DeadmanInc285 4 years ago 4
Thats funny, the only thing I see wrong with this is they are in an enclosure.Just because you are an animal law enforcer doesn't make it right,Just because there are laws to back you up doesn't make it right either
G0TTMITUNS 4 years ago
I never said I was a Humane Officer. I am currently pursuing a career in Humane Law Enforcement. You should look into that buddy since you seem so "impassioned" by this. Maybe then you can be a vigilante or something. If the zoo is taking good care of their animals then there is nothing we can do but California has very strict humane laws unlike the rest of the country. I've never been to the LA zoo so I don't know what it's like there.
DeadmanInc285 4 years ago
But I gaurantee you that the San Diego Wild Animal Park and the San Diego Zoo take very good care of their animals. You should be glad that California is very pro-animal and and is very impassioned about humane laws while the rest of the country doesn't enforce the kind of humane laws that we do. Settle down bro. Step away from the computer for a bit.
DeadmanInc285 4 years ago
Yeah I suppose there are some places where they treat animals like shite,I think I will too I've been on this thing for like 8 hours or something I hate it because I cant get off it,it is evil...
G0TTMITUNS 4 years ago
So wasn't it San Diego Zoo who got all those fines and things fro dead animals. There is a lits some where as to how many animals have died there with in the last 3 years. It was a big number.
On the news and everything.
PennyDropper 4 years ago
I wouldn't know. I didn't hear anything about it at all in the past few years. Must have been another zoo in another state since California is very pro animal.
DeadmanInc285 4 years ago
Played backwards or not, anyone can see the conditions in that tiny enclosure are DISGUSTING.
cottonwhiskersuk 4 years ago
its not wakin up and they dont lie down to rest danm you guys r dumb!
elephants166 4 years ago
ITS NOT TAKIN A DANM NAP GO READ AN ENCYCLOPEDIA!!!!!!
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elephants166 4 years ago
dont elephants need a very large space?
carlosb1 4 years ago
only as much space as your mother
mellyscool 4 years ago
Just listen too the sounds it clearly being played backward
Ghost4420 4 years ago
actually its waking up, its played backwards because im pretty sure elephants dont walk backwards too often
themanbomb 4 years ago
Elephants lie down to rest. There was nothing wrong with that elephant. Quit being dramatic.
Agahnim 4 years ago
Stupid this text Gob bless america...what for if they are so bad to the animals closed up in their zoos.
Bush - Blair and all the other Idiots including Merkel - thank you for your stupidity in G8!!!
dcddjc 4 years ago
Come on man, its just taking a NAP
kenny582 4 years ago
ITS NOT TAKIN A NAP GO READ AN ENCYCLOPEDIA DUH!!!!!!!!!!
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elephants166 4 years ago
Bad zoos are terrible. Not all zoos are so neglectful. Some are actually quite helpful in preserving certain endangered species.
OSRADIS 4 years ago
all animals in the zoo r sad leave them alone set them free go to afrika if u got guts
ellesjedelee 4 years ago
zoo animals have been raised in captivity if u released them into the wild they would surely die
slaytanic01 4 years ago
You can't do that. If you release an animal back into the wild, especially one born and raised in an enclosure, then it does not stand a chance in hell!
DeadmanInc285 4 years ago
so wots going in this video and y is it pl