What Petrach identified as the Dark Ages was a period of ignorance, a want of learning, and this can be very specifically be layed at the door of Justinian, and his war against anything not specifically orthodox Christian. Justinian closed schools, burnt libraries and persicuted philosophers. The Dark Ages started 9:00 AM, 13 January 529, when Justinian closed the Academy in Athens.
@Immortal4Aday I think you can compare this with the rise of radical Islam in Afghanistan and Somalia in some sense. Society brakes apart and warlords fight for control over areas. In such situation civilians are not safe to walk over the street. They prefer a highly repressive regime and order rather than the huge disorder. In situations like that extreme religious groups like al-qaida and medieval christianity can flurish.
@gamesbok It was simply the fact that there was not a unifying government. If law and order and the government fell, there would be warfare and poverty for many years.
@ADZ01982 There was a unifying government, in Revenna and in Constantinople. What's important was the collapse of intelectual life, and Justinians war on intellectualism caused the Dark Ages. You caan't blame it on Alaric, because a Christian takeover of a Christian city won't do it, you can't blame it on Odacer, because he was a Roman to his fingertips. Justinians war on intellectual freedom most definately can.
@gamesbok I ment no unifying government in Western Europe. Under peace and prosperity countries and people prosper There was still progress during the Dark ages.Carolingian Renaissance. Bedes Lunar cycle Bedes study of tides Ididore of Seville.
it's incredible how they consider rome to be "civilized", and how they consider it a "downward spiral" for rome to have fallen, when watching people being murdered was the national past time of romans! (I'm talking, of course, about the gladiatorial arenas.
@whereisumar It sickens me that even though they'd been Christian for the past 30 - 100 years, they still did this. If they've got they're facts right here that is.
@whereisumar They were civilised in the sense that they had more tech, philosophers schools of thaught, a central government, a middle class, architecture, art, etc. While the so called barbarians didn't have all this at that level. In terms of atrocities they where the same(They still are human after all). Nazis where in some sense one of the most civilised in the 40's but from a moral point of view one of the most uncivilised.
Europe has always been a beacon of learning, arts, law, poetry. All of this was fundamental to european civilization.
Rome was the creator of europe even if tyranical. Rome managed to unify europe not just because of its wielding power and road connection but because it gave europe an identity, it gave europe a language while accepting all gods and religions.
@Jacarter99 Lol, I'm not black, I'm born in Sweden and have Swedish parents and their parents are also Swedish and so on, so i couldn't be more white.
the reason the dark ages were so bad, is becasue you had hundreds of years of no scientific, or technological advancements becasue no one was interested in learning, or expanding knowledge, oppressive dictatorship by religion and those in charge, disease, plague, mass murder, war, constant killing, warfare, ignorance, no real ways of life, as they say in the show, the scales of life fell, people were living in constant squalor, yes we sooo need that shit to happen again.
the dark ages sounds precisely like what would happen if anarchists get their way. No central goverment would make a country (which wouldnt exist either) just like a mindless zombie. At the end of the day anarchy will always be succeeded by a central group that organizes daily lives.
I always found the Dark Ages fascinating... It's hard to imagine that the innovative and enlightened lifestyle started by the Ancient Greeks and continued by the Romans could be crushed so easily and set humanity back what seems a few thousand years.
This was an european dark age.Alternatively in places like second century contemporaries like India and Egypt it was full of wealth,prosperity,ingenuity and life! Civilisation did continue albeit in Asia!
@cillantro The Dark Ages are NOT present in Eastern Europe. Thanks to the Byzantine Empire all of Eastern Europe was baptized and civilized. The Byzantine Empire sustained all of the roman benefits staring from architecture and art to army formation and law. In fact if it weren't for the Byzantines Europe was doomed.
@cillantro Yes communism was the dark ages for Eastern Europe. Even tough however the communist curse endured for only 75 years, while the Dark Ages in the West lasted for centuries until Charles the Great single handily puled the west out of the dark ages and into the late middle ages and Renaissance. i however admire western society from the late 16 century.
@Vahki100 True,the communist curse in USSR/europe endured only the time span of 75 years but it has found a safe haven further east and today's PRC is scary!
@cillantro I still dont understand why the Chinese people don;'t want freedom over the communists, or why the UK gave over Hong-Kong. Also it was documented that chairman Mao Zedong killed more people than Hitler, but Stalin killed the most.
@Vahki100 both mao,stalin and hitler are the lowest and filthies bastards to roam this earth of ours.Chinese people are brainwashed and their media(even internet!)is super censored.UK is si typical,they fought bravely to keep the falklands,a rock in the middle of nowhere with 2000 brits but readily gave up HK even when china was'nt this powerfull?! Strange logic...maybe 2000 white brits are more important even if they are useless than 4 million asian brits who have created economic magic in HK!!
@cillantro There is a BIG difference between the two scenarios that makes this comparison illogical. The Falkland Islands were seized in an ACT OF WAR by Argentina and Britain DEFENDED her sovereignty JUSTLY in accordance with British Law. The same with Hong Kong in which a TREATY was signed in the nineteenth century that allowed Britain to lease Hong Kong until the late 1990s and Britain relinquished control over Hong Kong according to the LAW, a TREATY signed over a hundred years ago.
@SocratesTheGadfly It seems Maggie was told by the chinese(PRC) in HongKong before the handover that they could come in any time and take over the place(HK).The British did'nt want to lose face and hence left with dignity.A referendum held before the handover in which the British expected a support for reunification with the mainland from HK turned topsy turvy with a thundering majority Hkers DISAPPROVING an union with china.Did mighty blighty stay and defend them?NO.instead some treaty crops up
@cillantro so are you inferring racist tones in that remark? the comparison is not valid and a war to defend Hong Kong from China would only result in the destruction of Hong Kong and the loss of thousands of lives and would not benefit anyone. furthermore, it would NOT benefit China either to engage in a war to get back Hong Kong when there is a more peaceful solution through a treaty. China is in Asia and as such the Asian mentality is different than europeans.
@SocratesTheGadfly Ah treaties..I mean you can't even expect democracies to respect them in tough times,forget a totalitarian PRC!Hongkongers may be ethnically related to the chinese but culturally they are something else.Neglected for decades by the chinese due to their empire's previously more inland streak,HK was a mere fishing village and today?Hkers don't deserve any freedom,the UK and PRC will decide their fate,despite both profiteering greatly from the enterprise of its people,Isn't it?!!
@cillantro do you advocate the balkanization of china then? we ALL know how well that works in southeastern europe with the PEACE and HARMONY there! separating china into various enclaves, provinces, principalities, regions and the like? afterall the han chinese are the predominant ethnicity in china and number between 800 to 900 million people in china. the remaining 600 million people are of different ethnicity. what of tibet? the uyghurs? the dong? the manchus? the hani? where does it stop?
@SocratesTheGadfly Really?I mean the other ethnicites you talk about have almost been with china for way too long,excluding Tibet which was annexed recently ala HK though not of similar vintage..did you know in Hong kong,the original residents of its villages are given special preferences?Would PRC ever do that?NO! The answer is in a system where even tiny minorities like the ones you mentioned can voice their opinions.Two wrongs do not make a right do they?HK independence won't balkanise china.
@cillantro the area known as hong kong was part of china for nearly 2000 years BEFORE it became a concession to the british in the 1800s. if you speak with the government of china they claim that tibet has ALWAYS been a part of china just as all of the provinces that make up china today. furthermore, the government of china also claims Taiwan and ALL of the islands in the south china sea. applying WESTERN views does NOT work in china or in asia. the british discovered that with india in the 40s
@SocratesTheGadfly No need to apply western views,merely applying human views would work.The idea of the west as some united block is so outdated.Each culture is unique,people identify more with their ancestors than yours.This applies for the Greeks who when Germans mockingly said that they should sell the acropolis, said"We built cities when they lived in caves".Each very different.Same can be said for asia.Claiming what is not yours won't last for long as britain found out with India and.contd
@cillantro actually the western view is still inherent within ALL western countries. the notion of individuality, the concept of freedom and liberty as well as the rule of law. asian societies tradtionally held a different view that is not rooted in the concept of individuality, personal freedom and individual liberty is not common among asian societies and the rule of law based on Justice is a western view. china's law is rooted in what is commonly called legalism, a type of facism.
@SocratesTheGadfly Well since you insist,communism,fascism,legalism are all western ideas and concepts that have been adapted by asian countries like china,laos and north korea.The concept of individuality in western soceities emerged only after the industrial revolution and after the renaissance.The seeds for this were sown by the northerners(finns,vikings,nordics,Icelanders i.e. Germania)who defied all empires and were unconquered.Before(<1940s) liberal democracies europeans lived facism too!!
@cillantro actually legalism is an ASIAN concept invented in CHINA in the 4th century BC with the first chinese emperor that is approximately 2500 years old. Individuality is a GREEK idea that originated with the Ionian Philosophers of the Hellenistic Period in the Mediteranean and is even older. However, one of the lessons of history is the continual evolution of societies through their rise, peak of power and ultimate decline and it is never ending.
@SocratesTheGadfly The last part about rise,peak and decline...I agree! But with some effort and competitiveness and LOTS of luck,things can go well for very long...anyway it is a cycle of boom and bust!
@cillantro luck, skill or a common set of values? history's lessons are valid on all counts and some civilizations are more successful than others. the societies that exist today are due to the work of ancestors who made some measure of sacrifice so that we may live today "BETTER" than they did.
@SocratesTheGadfly If you are good at something and this is an edge,even if another civilisation is MUCH better in a whole array of things,they would lose.Civilisation is overated.The Indians and chinese were the most civilised part of earth.Both lost 2 nomads and backwards,the Indians to mughals and the chinese to the Mongols.Reason?Large cavalry gave them the edge back then as did a ruthless political religion.Later 2 europe before the industrial rev as it had gunpowder,ships and ruthlessness!
@cillantro communism is from the communist manifesto written by karl marx from correspondence with frederick engels during the mid 19th century and published in 1861 and is was in response to the industrial revolution that had started over 100 years earlier. facism is an outgrowth from mussolini's facist movement in italy in the 1920s and takes its name from the fasces which was used by the romans to signify the magistrates in legal matters for the roman civilization.
@SocratesTheGadfly ..contd...china will soon realise this as well.The chinese claims are supposedly based on Qing dynasty territories,whit the emperor and the royal house absolved,what right des china have to claim those former territories as hers?Even then Tibet was independent.They(PRC) wants to have the cake and eat it too.Britian is smart enough to know that with china's huge forex reserves it can be a big inward investor.Taiwan was fortunate to have US protection,HK unfortunately had UK...!
Catholism does not represent christianity nor is she the true church christians follow the bible and learn by jesus;s example we are peaceful and are told not to kill.
@Utube73720091 before your Christianity there was catholism. and everything else cam from that....
How can you say you follow the bible when there was so few copies back then.. how confident are you that they didn't change it? or made some edit some parts out?... can't trust the bible. 100%
LOL... You are in denial. Watch the whole series. You'll realize how Christianity came about. Your religion is form from hypocrisy by all the blood-thirsty warmongers.
@TheDrog92 they were for the longest time because even though it was legalized, paganism was still very popular for a long time. Its not until centuries of christian missionary work that paganism was not practiced
So ridiculous how idiots without any knowledge of history like to blame the Dark Ages on Christianity.
Newsflash: The late Roman Empire was Christian to. The Dark Ages were brought about by the collapse of (international) trade, which led to people having to provide for themselves which in turn caused cities to decline. The barbarians that ravaged Europe weren't solely Christian, hell, before settling in western Europe, all were pagan.
But no, let's just keep shouting "CHRISTIUNS BEEE DUMB!".
@uninterestingentity Actually I was amazed when I found out that the so called bararians of that era were Christian. But I think the Lithuanians remained Pagan right up to the Middle Ages when the Knights ( Tuetonic or Templar ? ) had problems/ battles with them.
@Kelly14UK Not all of them. Only the Gothics, Franks and some others converted early to Christianity, but actually what they did was a "convenient conversion", because they truly didn't change their beliefs. Most of those tribes would be really "converted" within some decades or centuries. The Anglo-Saxons and other Germans resisted for much more time and had conflicts because some of them converted while other tribes didn't. Scandinavians, Slavs and Baltics remained Pagan for many centuries.
@Homoclassicus Cheers. I've since found out that most of these societies, at the upper levels ( late Romans, Vikings, Franks etc) only " converted " to Christianity for cynical reasons. The leaders would "follow" it in order to manipulate their peoples' superstions. In any case check the behaviour of the leaders. They were hardly Apostles lol!
@uninterestingentity The roman empire was only Christian because of the zealots who forced it upon the people. Look at the pagans who got slaughtered and even jews who refused to convert. Religion is a mental illness that makes men kill each other for it. You can't deny that it caused unrest which hastened the fall of the empire. take up some responsibility? or are u gonna blame other religions except ur own.
@N0painNOgain Conversion to Christianity happened gradually and ever faster and when it became the official religion of the state the majority wasn't still Christian, but they were the more numerous (about 1/3) and organized believers, so they of course gained prominence. Persecution of Pagans did happen, but there were no "slaughter" to convert millions as you lie. You also blame the "hastening of the fall of the Roman Empire" as if that Empire was itself a very benign and fair power. Come on!
@uninterestingentity I feel ya' bro there are too many uneducated folks who believe Christianity is the cause of the dark ages, but in fact the Christians were considered a minority, and though some of them were executed for not converting to paganism the Roman Empire finally step into the light later. To be honest, I'm glad my early Christian brothers and sisters didn't give in, in the Bible Jesus clearly states that don't let go of the truth. Nobody cannot destroy the soul.
@jshjamaarify Uneducated? Came into the light? What are you talking about please tell me how Chirstianity is the light? They were executed early on but later became the offical state religion so what is your point?
Christianity later did the same thing to the Pagans forced conversion and if not maybe death. Infact they do that a lot. So what light where you talking about? Oh the one we cant see after life. Yeah of course
It's ludicrous to blame Christianity for the many wars, impoverishment and diseases that happened even before the Roman Empire crashed (in fact, since the late 300's Europe was in a very bad situation). Christianity was mostly which was mostly a factor of stabilization and union in the Dark Ages. It's also ridiculous to imply that the Church was nearly as imperialist and violent as the Roman Empire. Much more violence happened because of "secular" reasons: land, migrations, state power, etc.
Well its a great thing for the anti-religious folks to ponder, how during these Dark Ages, while hordes of dark forces were rampaging Europe, destroying knowledge and goodness, the ONE bastion of light in this dark world was religion. It was the one place that people could turn to for guidance, the one place that kept some semblance of truth and goodness. The monasteries and cathedral schools became the places of learning, and these eventually became our universities. We do owe much to religion.
The difference now from this is technology, making it so much more easier to control things. The ones who control the best technology that can really be put into use are the ones who will eventually control the world.
Britons, Saxons and Franks never push towards Rome with the idea of wanting to take it over. The Franks were too busy being pushed out of their Scandinavian homelands, Saxons quested west to take Britain, and the Britons just generally, stayed where they were. ¬_¬
@michaelencarnacion haha I wish you were kidding but I know it's going to come too. All the signs point to YES. I just hope it's not within my lifetime but I doubt it.
We've all seen the demise of one of the most powerful empires the world has ever known. It was called the Soviet Union. Our parents and grandparents saw the mighty British Empire crumble.
without the romans colonisation the modern europeans would probably be living in huts like back in the days lool , they werent even able to sustain an aqueduc ???
@modjuye Wrong, if it wasn't for the ancient people of the Fertile Crescent who created civilization in the first place everyone would be living in huts or on trees.
And, if I may be bold and sarcastic, what's so great about the time before and after the dark ages? The Roman empire was under constant war with either itself or outside enemies, taxes were heavy, and if you are unlucky, you are a property of somebody. The time after the middle ages, Renaissance and modern Europe, saw even greater evil--full scale civil war, diseases of scale never seen before, full scale European wars and lots of them, and full mobilization by conscription.
@bdkim79 Most nations have been barbaric in human history. It's just that some have been more succesful than others. Rome's luck didn't last forever. Now the barbarians rule the world, but of course they no longer are called as such.
As unapologeticmind mentioned, the so-called "Dark Ages" were not dark at all. And, the "Dark" was originally supposed to mean "lack and decline of the Latin literature" (as opposed to that of Renaissance) and gradually come to mean "lack of documentary record." Gradually the meaning of general backwardness caught up in the popular culture and scholarship. Now we know that is Roman-centric or Renaissance-centric view, and the Middle Ages were a time of active cultural development
@bdkim79 lol denial. No one is refuting that there was violence during any given era. The difference here is predominantly AESTHETIC. Brutal people perpetuating a savage and backwards culture was, is, and always will be... an EYESORE.
@bdkim79 stop it.. the dark ages were just that 4 a reason.. barbarians developed at the expense of Latin civilization.. brutish living and caveman ways with no real system is dark.. the only reason its debated is because they happen to be your ancestors.. rplace angles and saxons and goths with turks africans or mongols then dark ages would be justified
Everyone knows today that the "Dark Ages" were not so dark after all. Eastern Europe still had the Byzantine Empire and the world's largest and most developed city, Constantinople, while in western Europe Charlemagne's empire grew out of the disorder... One of the major causes of the decline was not in Europe itself but due to the Muslim conquests through which Europe was detached from the rest of the Mediterranean losing the grain and papyrus supply from Egypt, the sea trade with India, etc...
It reminds you of the USA because these history channel documentaries are made for that purpose. For us Rome lovers to see the immediate obvious correlation between the fall of Rome to that of the fall of our United States. It doesn't mention anything about the greatness of a republic like Greece, or about people who vote and elect leaders who are competent enough to make a difference. The Roman Empire was the same as the Persian empire, but with maritime characteristics Both oligarchial empires
@Cliner98 I do not believe that science and technology can save our civilization, and I certainly do not believe that we should boss people around. Increasing number of westerners are becoming aware of this, and trying to do something about it!
When the people of Europe were poor, dumb and filthy. The empires of Asia such as in India (Harsha Empire, Badami Chalukya Empire, Pala Empire, Rashtrakuta Empire, Gurjara Pratihara Empire, Chola Empire) and China (Sui, Tang, Song, Jin dynasties) were going through their golden ages. We will rise once again and rule the world that is rightfully ours.
WOW sometimes I cannot believe how fucked up humans were in the past. Technology and science fucking saved our sorry asses.
Whenever you read about the screwed up roman emperors, don't you think that even you could've done a better job? (i.e., not killing your wives and children, going on horribly planned military campaigns, getting killed by rivals).
When the people of Europe were poor and filthy. The empires of Asia such as in India (Harsha Empire, Badami Chalukya Empire, Pala Empire, Rashtrakuta Empire, Gurjara Pratihara Empire, Pala Empire) and China (Sui, Tang, Song, Jin dynasties) were going through their golden ages. We will rise once again and rule the world that is rightfully ours.
The fact that the Colloseum was named one of the new wonders of the World tells us enough about our current society's prized values. Grandeur and spectacle go first, followed by excess and decadence, like slaves to the whims of their own desires. At least the Dark Ages kept the light burning in their souls and minds, nowadays everything is measured by the value of "cargo worship."
doesnt this remind you of the USA to a certain extent especially part one.. the whole personal interests and rifts that rotted her from within is kinda like the extremist wingnuts who have high-jacked politics ans have a disproportionate amount of influence on the scene..look at how shit is just not the ame anymore in NYC I can feel the shine has dimmed and despite the whole lux environment here I know that things are not alright we are indebted to CHINA that speaks VOLUMES but I have HOPE 4 USA
where do they get these psudo historians dark ages bullshit , after rome it was a better world especially in Britain their was a peacefull transition .. as for Aleric he was driven to sack rome through continual betrayal by the emporer for not giving them land that was due the goths , and the romans slaughtered them , so he fucked them
@plenty2see Lol you dumbass, after Rome , Britain got even worse, The britons were begging for the romans to come back because of the saxon invasions, Britons lost all of the south-east and had to live in mountains and low fertility lands such as wales.Theyre life got really shitty and miserable. Whose the pseudo-historian now ?
For the English--the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes who took the opportunity to leave their homelands to invade a greener land--it was a better world after the Romans left Britannia. For the Britons, it was good bye to the nice sunny days.
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Did the guy at 0:40 say "the world was a smaller place" I think he should have said the world was a bigger place, this just shows you how dumd the people at the history channel are.
@getuga22 WHATEVZ.. aint noone looking at Viking culture as the pinacle of civilization. The Romans were oficial in the sense that they left a lasting legacy and wherever they went they civilized and imparted their culture and knowledge and language folding them into the empire.. like latins tend to do.. look at the Spanish and Portuguese ex colonies verus anglo saxon ones in terms of acceptance and tolerance of their subjects. Versus the fear driven foundation of Anglo countries
I see the ex-colonies of the British Empire being greatly richer and more developed than the Spanish and Portuguese ones. Heck, one of them even became a superpower but that's irrelevant here.
Rome is perceived as a pinacle of ancient Western civilization because of it's power, it's ability to unite loads of areas and maintain peace for a period. Because of it's glory, inscribed in the great latin classics, note, the barbarians couldn't write and we never got their side of the story. But perhaps most of all, Rome is seen as great because of it's wealth, luxory and prosperity, things perceived as the pinacle of success ever since the Renaissance of the Earthly enlightenment.
@HellesBringer because the eng;ish came here to settle the spanish to get rich and leave.. now look at british colones that have no whites in them.. tell me they are livin large...
India was united for the first time in history and will become superpower in 20-30 years, the countries of Indo-China are part of the Asian Tigers of growing economies, South Africa has a black majority but is the richest country in Africa. Some African ex-colonies of England have problems typical for the continent but a lot of them are on a path to prosper.
@HellesBringer it is not exclusively because of the English that they are becoming prosperous.. these countries had histories of their own prior to seeing any white faces.. India and China have unity and numbers and werent penetrated the way Africa a continent with varied people and languages was sliced and diced Europe the UN and those other fakes WANT Africa to remain in survival mode to rob her of everything if they could with india and china they would England is about divide and conquer
@HellesBringer India can never be a superpower for the simple fact that their human right are absolutely terrible and the country overpopulated. When they stop finding mass graves of girls, then maybe you can think of India being a superpower.
@vtecivicsib18 Dammit, you've had the wool pulled over your eyes real damn good. I right now am assuming that you are an american patriot or just in denial. The US is believe it or not and like it or not, will fall one day.
Im not a american patriot and even Rome had to fall your not saying anything that wont happen to your country or any country.. im not from usa so why dont you go fuck yourself
Monopoly of power isn't progressive. It's competition in human behavior that drives progress. The fragmentation of Europe led to new players which opened the door for a technological race, military race, economic race, etc. that were a key to European success later on. That's the basis of capitalism for you. China, on the other hand remained united and dominant, but mistakes they made throughout history were left unpunished and so progress stagnated for them.
@HellesBringer Progress and success do not necessarily equal goodness or virtue. I think that competition erodes the holiness of humanity. I don't think that China needed to progress in the same way as the west because their ancient philosophical beliefs emphasize unity. The Communists shook the fabric of that society mostly to prevent further abuse from the west but are slowly returning to the ancient values. And it's wrong to monopolize power for the sake of power instead of unity.
Thanks for your opinion. I read Jared Diamond's belief that geography had a huge part in history, in the way people interacted with each other and so on. The lowland of China were vast but open for a single ethnic group(Han Chinese as it happened) to become dominant. In Europe we do see how borders also tend to be concentrated on natural bariers, English channel, Alps, Pyrinees and so on. Of course defining success is a thing of perception, but that's another story all together!
@kidfall1 You'd think so, but Europe caught up pretty quick in the Renaissance. By the time England started the industrial revolution, the same circumstances were in Maharashtra and southern China. Maybe China would be ahead now, but for the Mongol mismanagement of the empire. The Mongols rendered Iran dust. In fact, the only nomadic invaders who didn't drive civilization backwards were the Arabs.
the fall of Rome was the end of civilization in Europe not in the world. because with the fall of Rome began a new civilization: the islamic civilization that lasted until 1492 and contributed largely to the development of sciences and specially mathematics and medicine. the best proof for that are the surgery instruments invented by al-zahrawi that are still used today and the resolution of mathematic equations of 1 unknown twice powered.
@alec00618 You forgot the Chinese civilization. Somehow, the theory that the Christian dark ages led to the demise of science and technology seemed to have excluded the scientific contributions of the Chinese. When the British colonials first arrived to Chinese lands, they brought with them "scientific wonders" as gifts to the Emperor. All were rejected; save for the clock, which attracted attention in the court, the rest - telescopes, navigation equipment - have been invented long before.
@kinxectic I'm sorry, no one can neglect the contribution of the chinese, they were the first to invent paper money for example. Moreover there is a wonderful example of the collaboration of muslims and chinese, as I read that the leader of the greatest chinese Armada that was headed to Discover America around 1420 (long before Christopher Columbus) was a muslim chinese. This examples shows how those civilizations lived together in peace, unlike Europeans who destroyed every civilization found.
@Slavko961234 so wrong, proof: muslims were in Iberia only, under the request of the wisigoths themselves to help them one against the other. the muslims didn't invade iberia, they were asked in. for Turkey, it was defense against the crusades...
there a lot of lies saying that muslims are invaders, but how can someone be an invader if its religion forbids him to?
@Slavko961234 sorry dude, you can't give a judgement on a people and say they are violent... and I'm sure you know nothing about Islam and its Ideas to say something like this.
and yes the victors write the History, the very same victors who are the US today who write that muslims invaded europe and that muslims are violent.
@alec00618 that's because muslims are violent and they did invade Europe that's why it's written down. Not only in Iberia, but in Sicily and southern Italy and the Balkans. Also in Persia, India, and North Africa it was all done through violence.
@AssyrianGuy34 no sir sorry... I have to quote what a renaissance Italian scientist wrote as a note in his book translated from a muslim book, "Let's save science from the barbarian hands of muslims". while in fact muslims were behing all the discoveries that were behind the renaissance, a muslims scientist doesn't write like that, if you read Al farabi Books about Aristotle, he talks about Aristotle as he talks about a king of science, and at every sentence he mentions him says, "Dear Master".
@AssyrianGuy34 muslims or asians in general are way too different from european way of thinking. and sorry for italy or Sicily there was no bloody invasion, go back to History, at that time, Byzantine ships were still applying the "Mare Nostrum" and were destroying every non Byzantine ship in the mediterranean, what brought muslims to Italy is to track those Pirates, it's not a coincidence that the Byzatine Emperor was assassinated in Italy by his own people when he failed because of his policy.
What Petrach identified as the Dark Ages was a period of ignorance, a want of learning, and this can be very specifically be layed at the door of Justinian, and his war against anything not specifically orthodox Christian. Justinian closed schools, burnt libraries and persicuted philosophers. The Dark Ages started 9:00 AM, 13 January 529, when Justinian closed the Academy in Athens.
gamesbok 1 month ago
@gamesbok why am i not surprised that the christians seem to thrive in an era on ignorance, and need
Immortal4Aday 1 month ago
@Immortal4Aday I think you can compare this with the rise of radical Islam in Afghanistan and Somalia in some sense. Society brakes apart and warlords fight for control over areas. In such situation civilians are not safe to walk over the street. They prefer a highly repressive regime and order rather than the huge disorder. In situations like that extreme religious groups like al-qaida and medieval christianity can flurish.
dekippiesip 1 month ago
@gamesbok It was simply the fact that there was not a unifying government. If law and order and the government fell, there would be warfare and poverty for many years.
ADZ01982 3 weeks ago
@ADZ01982 There was a unifying government, in Revenna and in Constantinople. What's important was the collapse of intelectual life, and Justinians war on intellectualism caused the Dark Ages. You caan't blame it on Alaric, because a Christian takeover of a Christian city won't do it, you can't blame it on Odacer, because he was a Roman to his fingertips. Justinians war on intellectual freedom most definately can.
gamesbok 3 weeks ago
@gamesbok I ment no unifying government in Western Europe. Under peace and prosperity countries and people prosper There was still progress during the Dark ages.Carolingian Renaissance. Bedes Lunar cycle Bedes study of tides Ididore of Seville.
ADZ01982 3 weeks ago
it's incredible how they consider rome to be "civilized", and how they consider it a "downward spiral" for rome to have fallen, when watching people being murdered was the national past time of romans! (I'm talking, of course, about the gladiatorial arenas.
whereisumar 2 months ago
@whereisumar It sickens me that even though they'd been Christian for the past 30 - 100 years, they still did this. If they've got they're facts right here that is.
Kelly14UK 2 months ago
@whereisumar Rome wasn't civil by today's standards. But Rome WAS civil when you compare it to the Dark Ages.
zolaga 2 months ago
@whereisumar They were civilised in the sense that they had more tech, philosophers schools of thaught, a central government, a middle class, architecture, art, etc. While the so called barbarians didn't have all this at that level. In terms of atrocities they where the same(They still are human after all). Nazis where in some sense one of the most civilised in the 40's but from a moral point of view one of the most uncivilised.
dekippiesip 1 month ago
@ 2:01 He's breaking a sweat just talking about it.. Look at that big ole bead of sweat rolling down his left temple.
goatofscape 2 months ago
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JungleMeta 2 months ago
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JungleMeta 2 months ago
Europe has always been a beacon of learning, arts, law, poetry. All of this was fundamental to european civilization.
Rome was the creator of europe even if tyranical. Rome managed to unify europe not just because of its wielding power and road connection but because it gave europe an identity, it gave europe a language while accepting all gods and religions.
debonocharles1 2 months ago
THE WORLDWIDECIVILAZATION IS ONE AND IS GREEK
@debonocharles1 EUROPE IS GREEK WORD.
unfukkkmee 2 months ago
@unfukkkmee Wow, if only the greeks could turn back time, rather than picketing the streets like they do now...Sad!!!
deebastard77 2 months ago
EVERY COUNTRY MUST TO PAY TRILLION EUROS FOR ALL SCIENES AND FOR THE GREEK ALPHABET WHO CREATED ALL LANGUAGES.
deebastard77 THE GREEKS HAVE CREATED ALL SCIENES.
THE GREEK ALPHABET CREATED ALL Ancient AND Modern LANGUAGES.
THE GREEK OLYMPIANS HAVE CREATED THE HUMANITY. READ PLATO.
THE JESUS SAID THE GREEKS IS GLORY OF HUMANITY. GLORY = CREATION.
THE VIRGIN MARY IS GREEK. AND JOSEPH IS GREEK WITH JEWISH RELIGION.
THE EUROPE HAS GREEK ORIGIN. THE EUROPE IS GREEK. EUROPE IS GREEK WORD.
unfukkkmee 2 months ago
thank god I wasn´t there
astrogirlxd 3 months ago
@nazi30215 Please leave you fucking racist, if there is someone who are "invading" and destroying the world it's people like you.
Xaeleep 4 months ago
@Xaeleep
shut up nigger
Jacarter99 3 months ago
@Jacarter99 Lol, I'm not black, I'm born in Sweden and have Swedish parents and their parents are also Swedish and so on, so i couldn't be more white.
Xaeleep 3 months ago
@nazi30215 You're just the life of the party, aren't you?
Pilaf1984 4 months ago
alot of people think the Dark Ages where bad, but;
1. i got rid of a tyranical government
2. it, more or less, gave us a clean slate. it made us who we are today.
in fact, i think we need the Dark Ages again (not to say i don't think it's sad, just nessecary :(
Orochimaruswife1 4 months ago
@Orochimaruswife1
the reason the dark ages were so bad, is becasue you had hundreds of years of no scientific, or technological advancements becasue no one was interested in learning, or expanding knowledge, oppressive dictatorship by religion and those in charge, disease, plague, mass murder, war, constant killing, warfare, ignorance, no real ways of life, as they say in the show, the scales of life fell, people were living in constant squalor, yes we sooo need that shit to happen again.
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JungleMeta 4 months ago
the dark ages sounds precisely like what would happen if anarchists get their way. No central goverment would make a country (which wouldnt exist either) just like a mindless zombie. At the end of the day anarchy will always be succeeded by a central group that organizes daily lives.
108Dax 5 months ago
I always found the Dark Ages fascinating... It's hard to imagine that the innovative and enlightened lifestyle started by the Ancient Greeks and continued by the Romans could be crushed so easily and set humanity back what seems a few thousand years.
EZBreezy187 5 months ago
@EZBreezy187
If China isn't stopped from being strong, a century or two from now, there will be the second dark age
coerdelion13 4 months ago
Think of living without knowledge. That would be dark, and bleak. Don't believe it? Turn off your computer for ever.
Mr1958louief 6 months ago
"the new emperor was jesus christ" = dark ages
nidan206 7 months ago
This was an european dark age.Alternatively in places like second century contemporaries like India and Egypt it was full of wealth,prosperity,ingenuity and life! Civilisation did continue albeit in Asia!
cillantro 7 months ago
@cillantro The Dark Ages are NOT present in Eastern Europe. Thanks to the Byzantine Empire all of Eastern Europe was baptized and civilized. The Byzantine Empire sustained all of the roman benefits staring from architecture and art to army formation and law. In fact if it weren't for the Byzantines Europe was doomed.
Vahki100 7 months ago
@Vahki100 Yes but remember eastern europe had a belated dark ages during the cmmunist era ;)
I am glad you guys are out of it though...especially countries like Czech republic who have made GREAT progress after the curse of communism ended.
cillantro 7 months ago
@cillantro Yes communism was the dark ages for Eastern Europe. Even tough however the communist curse endured for only 75 years, while the Dark Ages in the West lasted for centuries until Charles the Great single handily puled the west out of the dark ages and into the late middle ages and Renaissance. i however admire western society from the late 16 century.
Vahki100 7 months ago
@Vahki100 True,the communist curse in USSR/europe endured only the time span of 75 years but it has found a safe haven further east and today's PRC is scary!
cillantro 7 months ago
@cillantro I still dont understand why the Chinese people don;'t want freedom over the communists, or why the UK gave over Hong-Kong. Also it was documented that chairman Mao Zedong killed more people than Hitler, but Stalin killed the most.
Vahki100 7 months ago
@Vahki100 both mao,stalin and hitler are the lowest and filthies bastards to roam this earth of ours.Chinese people are brainwashed and their media(even internet!)is super censored.UK is si typical,they fought bravely to keep the falklands,a rock in the middle of nowhere with 2000 brits but readily gave up HK even when china was'nt this powerfull?! Strange logic...maybe 2000 white brits are more important even if they are useless than 4 million asian brits who have created economic magic in HK!!
cillantro 7 months ago
@cillantro There is a BIG difference between the two scenarios that makes this comparison illogical. The Falkland Islands were seized in an ACT OF WAR by Argentina and Britain DEFENDED her sovereignty JUSTLY in accordance with British Law. The same with Hong Kong in which a TREATY was signed in the nineteenth century that allowed Britain to lease Hong Kong until the late 1990s and Britain relinquished control over Hong Kong according to the LAW, a TREATY signed over a hundred years ago.
SocratesTheGadfly 6 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly It seems Maggie was told by the chinese(PRC) in HongKong before the handover that they could come in any time and take over the place(HK).The British did'nt want to lose face and hence left with dignity.A referendum held before the handover in which the British expected a support for reunification with the mainland from HK turned topsy turvy with a thundering majority Hkers DISAPPROVING an union with china.Did mighty blighty stay and defend them?NO.instead some treaty crops up
cillantro 6 months ago
@cillantro so are you inferring racist tones in that remark? the comparison is not valid and a war to defend Hong Kong from China would only result in the destruction of Hong Kong and the loss of thousands of lives and would not benefit anyone. furthermore, it would NOT benefit China either to engage in a war to get back Hong Kong when there is a more peaceful solution through a treaty. China is in Asia and as such the Asian mentality is different than europeans.
SocratesTheGadfly 6 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly Ah treaties..I mean you can't even expect democracies to respect them in tough times,forget a totalitarian PRC!Hongkongers may be ethnically related to the chinese but culturally they are something else.Neglected for decades by the chinese due to their empire's previously more inland streak,HK was a mere fishing village and today?Hkers don't deserve any freedom,the UK and PRC will decide their fate,despite both profiteering greatly from the enterprise of its people,Isn't it?!!
cillantro 6 months ago
@cillantro do you advocate the balkanization of china then? we ALL know how well that works in southeastern europe with the PEACE and HARMONY there! separating china into various enclaves, provinces, principalities, regions and the like? afterall the han chinese are the predominant ethnicity in china and number between 800 to 900 million people in china. the remaining 600 million people are of different ethnicity. what of tibet? the uyghurs? the dong? the manchus? the hani? where does it stop?
SocratesTheGadfly 6 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly Really?I mean the other ethnicites you talk about have almost been with china for way too long,excluding Tibet which was annexed recently ala HK though not of similar vintage..did you know in Hong kong,the original residents of its villages are given special preferences?Would PRC ever do that?NO! The answer is in a system where even tiny minorities like the ones you mentioned can voice their opinions.Two wrongs do not make a right do they?HK independence won't balkanise china.
cillantro 6 months ago
@cillantro the area known as hong kong was part of china for nearly 2000 years BEFORE it became a concession to the british in the 1800s. if you speak with the government of china they claim that tibet has ALWAYS been a part of china just as all of the provinces that make up china today. furthermore, the government of china also claims Taiwan and ALL of the islands in the south china sea. applying WESTERN views does NOT work in china or in asia. the british discovered that with india in the 40s
SocratesTheGadfly 6 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly No need to apply western views,merely applying human views would work.The idea of the west as some united block is so outdated.Each culture is unique,people identify more with their ancestors than yours.This applies for the Greeks who when Germans mockingly said that they should sell the acropolis, said"We built cities when they lived in caves".Each very different.Same can be said for asia.Claiming what is not yours won't last for long as britain found out with India and.contd
cillantro 6 months ago
@cillantro actually the western view is still inherent within ALL western countries. the notion of individuality, the concept of freedom and liberty as well as the rule of law. asian societies tradtionally held a different view that is not rooted in the concept of individuality, personal freedom and individual liberty is not common among asian societies and the rule of law based on Justice is a western view. china's law is rooted in what is commonly called legalism, a type of facism.
SocratesTheGadfly 5 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly Well since you insist,communism,fascism,legalism are all western ideas and concepts that have been adapted by asian countries like china,laos and north korea.The concept of individuality in western soceities emerged only after the industrial revolution and after the renaissance.The seeds for this were sown by the northerners(finns,vikings,nordics,Icelanders i.e. Germania)who defied all empires and were unconquered.Before(<1940s) liberal democracies europeans lived facism too!!
cillantro 5 months ago
@cillantro actually legalism is an ASIAN concept invented in CHINA in the 4th century BC with the first chinese emperor that is approximately 2500 years old. Individuality is a GREEK idea that originated with the Ionian Philosophers of the Hellenistic Period in the Mediteranean and is even older. However, one of the lessons of history is the continual evolution of societies through their rise, peak of power and ultimate decline and it is never ending.
SocratesTheGadfly 5 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly The last part about rise,peak and decline...I agree! But with some effort and competitiveness and LOTS of luck,things can go well for very long...anyway it is a cycle of boom and bust!
cillantro 5 months ago
@cillantro luck, skill or a common set of values? history's lessons are valid on all counts and some civilizations are more successful than others. the societies that exist today are due to the work of ancestors who made some measure of sacrifice so that we may live today "BETTER" than they did.
SocratesTheGadfly 5 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly If you are good at something and this is an edge,even if another civilisation is MUCH better in a whole array of things,they would lose.Civilisation is overated.The Indians and chinese were the most civilised part of earth.Both lost 2 nomads and backwards,the Indians to mughals and the chinese to the Mongols.Reason?Large cavalry gave them the edge back then as did a ruthless political religion.Later 2 europe before the industrial rev as it had gunpowder,ships and ruthlessness!
cillantro 5 months ago
@cillantro communism is from the communist manifesto written by karl marx from correspondence with frederick engels during the mid 19th century and published in 1861 and is was in response to the industrial revolution that had started over 100 years earlier. facism is an outgrowth from mussolini's facist movement in italy in the 1920s and takes its name from the fasces which was used by the romans to signify the magistrates in legal matters for the roman civilization.
SocratesTheGadfly 5 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly ..contd...china will soon realise this as well.The chinese claims are supposedly based on Qing dynasty territories,whit the emperor and the royal house absolved,what right des china have to claim those former territories as hers?Even then Tibet was independent.They(PRC) wants to have the cake and eat it too.Britian is smart enough to know that with china's huge forex reserves it can be a big inward investor.Taiwan was fortunate to have US protection,HK unfortunately had UK...!
cillantro 6 months ago
The fact they quarried the aquaducts instead of having running water makes no sense to me.
Graham6762 7 months ago
Does anyone else catch that the historian with the glasses sounds a lot like Gaius Baltar? Not just because he's British, I mean pitch and pattern?
kattaylordesign 8 months ago in playlist History TV - Documentaries
no wonder they called it the dark ages...
pwn4lifez 8 months ago
Catholism does not represent christianity nor is she the true church christians follow the bible and learn by jesus;s example we are peaceful and are told not to kill.
Utube73720091 8 months ago
@Utube73720091 No, one cares there are so many denominations of christianity it's ludicrous to call it one religion.
SuperBluepurple 8 months ago
@Utube73720091 before your Christianity there was catholism. and everything else cam from that....
How can you say you follow the bible when there was so few copies back then.. how confident are you that they didn't change it? or made some edit some parts out?... can't trust the bible. 100%
Jay2300Cee 8 months ago
@Utube73720091
LOL... You are in denial. Watch the whole series. You'll realize how Christianity came about. Your religion is form from hypocrisy by all the blood-thirsty warmongers.
Stryc9Nine 8 months ago
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TheRebelCowgirl 8 months ago
christianity is what happened to europe.
glower125 9 months ago
To me the Dark Ages started when Justinian shut the Academy in 529.
gamesbok 10 months ago
1:56 sweat is dripping down the guy's forehead LOL.
ArguriosRS 10 months ago
@r2d2gangster haha yes noah
VHZProZombie 10 months ago
anyone know who the musician is for the incidental music? Sounds like Jonn Serrie.
mowriter 11 months ago
The cristianity become a state religion at 370 a.d... They didnt were minority...
TheDrog92 11 months ago
@TheDrog92 they were for the longest time because even though it was legalized, paganism was still very popular for a long time. Its not until centuries of christian missionary work that paganism was not practiced
jamaicanification 10 months ago
4:50 4:59 that part make me so happy :D:D
MrThecoolguy28 1 year ago
Religion isn't real only science is real
DracoMalfoy87 1 year ago
@DracoMalfoy87 and what do you mean by that i belief in jesus maybe you not but religion is real
MrThecoolguy28 1 year ago
So ridiculous how idiots without any knowledge of history like to blame the Dark Ages on Christianity.
Newsflash: The late Roman Empire was Christian to. The Dark Ages were brought about by the collapse of (international) trade, which led to people having to provide for themselves which in turn caused cities to decline. The barbarians that ravaged Europe weren't solely Christian, hell, before settling in western Europe, all were pagan.
But no, let's just keep shouting "CHRISTIUNS BEEE DUMB!".
uninterestingentity 1 year ago
@uninterestingentity Actually I was amazed when I found out that the so called bararians of that era were Christian. But I think the Lithuanians remained Pagan right up to the Middle Ages when the Knights ( Tuetonic or Templar ? ) had problems/ battles with them.
Kelly14UK 1 year ago
@Kelly14UK Not all of them. Only the Gothics, Franks and some others converted early to Christianity, but actually what they did was a "convenient conversion", because they truly didn't change their beliefs. Most of those tribes would be really "converted" within some decades or centuries. The Anglo-Saxons and other Germans resisted for much more time and had conflicts because some of them converted while other tribes didn't. Scandinavians, Slavs and Baltics remained Pagan for many centuries.
Homoclassicus 6 months ago
@Homoclassicus Cheers. I've since found out that most of these societies, at the upper levels ( late Romans, Vikings, Franks etc) only " converted " to Christianity for cynical reasons. The leaders would "follow" it in order to manipulate their peoples' superstions. In any case check the behaviour of the leaders. They were hardly Apostles lol!
Kelly14UK 6 months ago
@uninterestingentity The roman empire was only Christian because of the zealots who forced it upon the people. Look at the pagans who got slaughtered and even jews who refused to convert. Religion is a mental illness that makes men kill each other for it. You can't deny that it caused unrest which hastened the fall of the empire. take up some responsibility? or are u gonna blame other religions except ur own.
N0painNOgain 1 year ago
@N0painNOgain Conversion to Christianity happened gradually and ever faster and when it became the official religion of the state the majority wasn't still Christian, but they were the more numerous (about 1/3) and organized believers, so they of course gained prominence. Persecution of Pagans did happen, but there were no "slaughter" to convert millions as you lie. You also blame the "hastening of the fall of the Roman Empire" as if that Empire was itself a very benign and fair power. Come on!
Homoclassicus 6 months ago
@uninterestingentity I feel ya' bro there are too many uneducated folks who believe Christianity is the cause of the dark ages, but in fact the Christians were considered a minority, and though some of them were executed for not converting to paganism the Roman Empire finally step into the light later. To be honest, I'm glad my early Christian brothers and sisters didn't give in, in the Bible Jesus clearly states that don't let go of the truth. Nobody cannot destroy the soul.
jshjamaarify 1 year ago
@jshjamaarify Uneducated? Came into the light? What are you talking about please tell me how Chirstianity is the light? They were executed early on but later became the offical state religion so what is your point?
Christianity later did the same thing to the Pagans forced conversion and if not maybe death. Infact they do that a lot. So what light where you talking about? Oh the one we cant see after life. Yeah of course
Oldcartoons571 9 months ago
@Oldcartoons571 you, my good sir, are wrong.
a1z58o 8 months ago
It's ludicrous to blame Christianity for the many wars, impoverishment and diseases that happened even before the Roman Empire crashed (in fact, since the late 300's Europe was in a very bad situation). Christianity was mostly which was mostly a factor of stabilization and union in the Dark Ages. It's also ridiculous to imply that the Church was nearly as imperialist and violent as the Roman Empire. Much more violence happened because of "secular" reasons: land, migrations, state power, etc.
Homoclassicus 6 months ago
0:25 ash ketchup???
FreakOutTiesto007 1 year ago
Well its a great thing for the anti-religious folks to ponder, how during these Dark Ages, while hordes of dark forces were rampaging Europe, destroying knowledge and goodness, the ONE bastion of light in this dark world was religion. It was the one place that people could turn to for guidance, the one place that kept some semblance of truth and goodness. The monasteries and cathedral schools became the places of learning, and these eventually became our universities. We do owe much to religion.
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BobbiFreddiec 1 year ago
The difference now from this is technology, making it so much more easier to control things. The ones who control the best technology that can really be put into use are the ones who will eventually control the world.
OmniHQ 1 year ago
Thats an interesting viewpoint but not a viewpoint that can be proven...guess we'll never know.
kidfall1 1 year ago
@Cliner98 Are you mad because you are descended from savages?
sferb 1 year ago
Britons, Saxons and Franks never push towards Rome with the idea of wanting to take it over. The Franks were too busy being pushed out of their Scandinavian homelands, Saxons quested west to take Britain, and the Britons just generally, stayed where they were. ¬_¬
BVXIII 1 year ago
We are headed into the Second Dark Ages. Its gonna be epic.
michaelencarnacion 1 year ago
@michaelencarnacion
i'd rather die than live in an environment lyk this lol
maciasx010x 1 year ago
@michaelencarnacion haha I wish you were kidding but I know it's going to come too. All the signs point to YES. I just hope it's not within my lifetime but I doubt it.
sferb 1 year ago
Human nature thats all i have to say.
juanlmesl 1 year ago
We've all seen the demise of one of the most powerful empires the world has ever known. It was called the Soviet Union. Our parents and grandparents saw the mighty British Empire crumble.
yamsid 1 year ago
if you take out the dark ages, we'd be on the moon by 1069.. if the renaissance started around 450 instead of the sacking of rome
XMichaelSpektorX 1 year ago
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jesus fucking christ
badsign1980 1 year ago
without the romans colonisation the modern europeans would probably be living in huts like back in the days lool , they werent even able to sustain an aqueduc ???
modjuye 1 year ago
@modjuye Wrong, if it wasn't for the ancient people of the Fertile Crescent who created civilization in the first place everyone would be living in huts or on trees.
HellesBringer 1 year ago
And, if I may be bold and sarcastic, what's so great about the time before and after the dark ages? The Roman empire was under constant war with either itself or outside enemies, taxes were heavy, and if you are unlucky, you are a property of somebody. The time after the middle ages, Renaissance and modern Europe, saw even greater evil--full scale civil war, diseases of scale never seen before, full scale European wars and lots of them, and full mobilization by conscription.
bdkim79 1 year ago
@bdkim79 Most nations have been barbaric in human history. It's just that some have been more succesful than others. Rome's luck didn't last forever. Now the barbarians rule the world, but of course they no longer are called as such.
HellesBringer 1 year ago
As unapologeticmind mentioned, the so-called "Dark Ages" were not dark at all. And, the "Dark" was originally supposed to mean "lack and decline of the Latin literature" (as opposed to that of Renaissance) and gradually come to mean "lack of documentary record." Gradually the meaning of general backwardness caught up in the popular culture and scholarship. Now we know that is Roman-centric or Renaissance-centric view, and the Middle Ages were a time of active cultural development
bdkim79 1 year ago
@bdkim79 lol denial. No one is refuting that there was violence during any given era. The difference here is predominantly AESTHETIC. Brutal people perpetuating a savage and backwards culture was, is, and always will be... an EYESORE.
sferb 1 year ago
@bdkim79 stop it.. the dark ages were just that 4 a reason.. barbarians developed at the expense of Latin civilization.. brutish living and caveman ways with no real system is dark.. the only reason its debated is because they happen to be your ancestors.. rplace angles and saxons and goths with turks africans or mongols then dark ages would be justified
guapgueezee 1 year ago
fuck islam hahahahah
melbingkoy 1 year ago
Everyone knows today that the "Dark Ages" were not so dark after all. Eastern Europe still had the Byzantine Empire and the world's largest and most developed city, Constantinople, while in western Europe Charlemagne's empire grew out of the disorder... One of the major causes of the decline was not in Europe itself but due to the Muslim conquests through which Europe was detached from the rest of the Mediterranean losing the grain and papyrus supply from Egypt, the sea trade with India, etc...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
It reminds you of the USA because these history channel documentaries are made for that purpose. For us Rome lovers to see the immediate obvious correlation between the fall of Rome to that of the fall of our United States. It doesn't mention anything about the greatness of a republic like Greece, or about people who vote and elect leaders who are competent enough to make a difference. The Roman Empire was the same as the Persian empire, but with maritime characteristics Both oligarchial empires
MarkScheppy 1 year ago
@Cliner98 I do not believe that science and technology can save our civilization, and I certainly do not believe that we should boss people around. Increasing number of westerners are becoming aware of this, and trying to do something about it!
TheAntoninusPius 1 year ago
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When the people of Europe were poor, dumb and filthy. The empires of Asia such as in India (Harsha Empire, Badami Chalukya Empire, Pala Empire, Rashtrakuta Empire, Gurjara Pratihara Empire, Chola Empire) and China (Sui, Tang, Song, Jin dynasties) were going through their golden ages. We will rise once again and rule the world that is rightfully ours.
dewan357 1 year ago
@pootiet12345 Agreed.
bioshockftw123 1 year ago
@pootiet12345 Well Asia is still in it's dark ages India is a 3rd world shit hole same for the Philippines, Vietnam, etc.
bioshockftw123 1 year ago
Damn...Rome got pissed...LMAO!!!
SirTruth19 1 year ago
dam dawg they smell
siey2 1 year ago
After the downfall of Rome, human civilization actually went BACKWARD into the dark ages. Wtffff hahaha.
SarahLee1 1 year ago
WOW sometimes I cannot believe how fucked up humans were in the past. Technology and science fucking saved our sorry asses.
Whenever you read about the screwed up roman emperors, don't you think that even you could've done a better job? (i.e., not killing your wives and children, going on horribly planned military campaigns, getting killed by rivals).
SarahLee1 1 year ago
imagine if you tried to pinch a stone from the collosseum these days
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
When the people of Europe were poor and filthy. The empires of Asia such as in India (Harsha Empire, Badami Chalukya Empire, Pala Empire, Rashtrakuta Empire, Gurjara Pratihara Empire, Pala Empire) and China (Sui, Tang, Song, Jin dynasties) were going through their golden ages. We will rise once again and rule the world that is rightfully ours.
dewan357 1 year ago
This is such a great way to study. Roman history is stupid and confusing.
SaoMir1 1 year ago
The fact that the Colloseum was named one of the new wonders of the World tells us enough about our current society's prized values. Grandeur and spectacle go first, followed by excess and decadence, like slaves to the whims of their own desires. At least the Dark Ages kept the light burning in their souls and minds, nowadays everything is measured by the value of "cargo worship."
HellesBringer 1 year ago
doesnt this remind you of the USA to a certain extent especially part one.. the whole personal interests and rifts that rotted her from within is kinda like the extremist wingnuts who have high-jacked politics ans have a disproportionate amount of influence on the scene..look at how shit is just not the ame anymore in NYC I can feel the shine has dimmed and despite the whole lux environment here I know that things are not alright we are indebted to CHINA that speaks VOLUMES but I have HOPE 4 USA
iknohiphop 1 year ago 23
agreed
volumedealer1 1 year ago
It's all about personal interests, the past has no other use but to help us build a better future for OURSELVES.
HellesBringer 1 year ago
where do they get these psudo historians dark ages bullshit , after rome it was a better world especially in Britain their was a peacefull transition .. as for Aleric he was driven to sack rome through continual betrayal by the emporer for not giving them land that was due the goths , and the romans slaughtered them , so he fucked them
plenty2see 1 year ago
@plenty2see Lol you dumbass, after Rome , Britain got even worse, The britons were begging for the romans to come back because of the saxon invasions, Britons lost all of the south-east and had to live in mountains and low fertility lands such as wales.Theyre life got really shitty and miserable. Whose the pseudo-historian now ?
Legolasas26 1 year ago
@plenty2see
For the English--the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes who took the opportunity to leave their homelands to invade a greener land--it was a better world after the Romans left Britannia. For the Britons, it was good bye to the nice sunny days.
baraxor 1 year ago
@iknohiphop
Enough about and rome! Stop it!
TheAntoninusPius 1 year ago
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@iknohiphop Those who does not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
yohanZ95 1 year ago
That well-known Italian scholar, Pete Rark.... LOL.
Joking apart, this is a good, informative series.
Ecclefechina 1 year ago
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Did the guy at 0:40 say "the world was a smaller place" I think he should have said the world was a bigger place, this just shows you how dumd the people at the history channel are.
torus64 1 year ago
@torus64 this is the same history channel that pretends egypt is british with english characters playing obviously multiracial egyptians
iknohiphop 1 year ago 4
I'm sorry, "dumd"? If you are going to accuse other people of being stupid, you should probably use spell check.
xLightLordx 1 year ago
fuck the rome and greece they where noting but a bunch of faggots anyway
getuga22 1 year ago
dumbass
rvgmuhs07 1 year ago
You're in the wrong places getuga22.
It seems you accidentally hit a video which requires a little bit of brains.
AnomalousAppendages 1 year ago
@AnomalousAppendages nope im in right place no brains needed here the viking sure as hell didnt need it when they where kicking your ass
getuga22 1 year ago
Thank you for proving my point.
AnomalousAppendages 1 year ago
@getuga22 WHATEVZ.. aint noone looking at Viking culture as the pinacle of civilization. The Romans were oficial in the sense that they left a lasting legacy and wherever they went they civilized and imparted their culture and knowledge and language folding them into the empire.. like latins tend to do.. look at the Spanish and Portuguese ex colonies verus anglo saxon ones in terms of acceptance and tolerance of their subjects. Versus the fear driven foundation of Anglo countries
iknohiphop 1 year ago
I see the ex-colonies of the British Empire being greatly richer and more developed than the Spanish and Portuguese ones. Heck, one of them even became a superpower but that's irrelevant here.
HellesBringer 1 year ago
Rome is perceived as a pinacle of ancient Western civilization because of it's power, it's ability to unite loads of areas and maintain peace for a period. Because of it's glory, inscribed in the great latin classics, note, the barbarians couldn't write and we never got their side of the story. But perhaps most of all, Rome is seen as great because of it's wealth, luxory and prosperity, things perceived as the pinacle of success ever since the Renaissance of the Earthly enlightenment.
HellesBringer 1 year ago
@HellesBringer because the eng;ish came here to settle the spanish to get rich and leave.. now look at british colones that have no whites in them.. tell me they are livin large...
iknohiphop 1 year ago
India was united for the first time in history and will become superpower in 20-30 years, the countries of Indo-China are part of the Asian Tigers of growing economies, South Africa has a black majority but is the richest country in Africa. Some African ex-colonies of England have problems typical for the continent but a lot of them are on a path to prosper.
HellesBringer 1 year ago
@HellesBringer it is not exclusively because of the English that they are becoming prosperous.. these countries had histories of their own prior to seeing any white faces.. India and China have unity and numbers and werent penetrated the way Africa a continent with varied people and languages was sliced and diced Europe the UN and those other fakes WANT Africa to remain in survival mode to rob her of everything if they could with india and china they would England is about divide and conquer
iknohiphop 1 year ago
@HellesBringer India can never be a superpower for the simple fact that their human right are absolutely terrible and the country overpopulated. When they stop finding mass graves of girls, then maybe you can think of India being a superpower.
Clairescool99 1 year ago
@Clairescool99 Human rights are irrelevant to how power in politics is measured. The USSR killed millions of it's own people but it was a superpower.
HellesBringer 1 year ago
hahahaha
cfranchino 1 year ago
TheJaykaysorry for all the insults its just you germans piss me off.. You guys really kill europeans coolness meter
vtecivicsib18 1 year ago
At 1:57 that guys sweating...lol. What a stupid and worthless comment.
TheJaykaybay 1 year ago
\the guy at 1:57 is my father and he is not nervous he is just a lil high we smoked the other night
vtecivicsib18 1 year ago
image that could happen all over agian here not that untechnological but we may end up like a place like Liberia and i think we will fall soon
and personaly i think that era was important i bet thoughs people enjoyed
the little things
ZackAttack261 1 year ago
@ZackAttack261 go hump a goat wtf are you talking about
vtecivicsib18 1 year ago
LOL i was probably drunk when i wrote that i even spelled again wrong
ZackAttack261 1 year ago
@vtecivicsib18 Dammit, you've had the wool pulled over your eyes real damn good. I right now am assuming that you are an american patriot or just in denial. The US is believe it or not and like it or not, will fall one day.
TheJaykaybay 1 year ago
Im not a american patriot and even Rome had to fall your not saying anything that wont happen to your country or any country.. im not from usa so why dont you go fuck yourself
vtecivicsib18 1 year ago
If the Roman Empire would have survived, there would be far fewer nations and thus far less fragmentation and quarreling among humans.
TurboRonin83 1 year ago
But there would still be slavery. And people being forced to kill each other for fun.
HolyknightVader999 1 year ago
Monopoly of power isn't progressive. It's competition in human behavior that drives progress. The fragmentation of Europe led to new players which opened the door for a technological race, military race, economic race, etc. that were a key to European success later on. That's the basis of capitalism for you. China, on the other hand remained united and dominant, but mistakes they made throughout history were left unpunished and so progress stagnated for them.
HellesBringer 1 year ago
@HellesBringer Progress and success do not necessarily equal goodness or virtue. I think that competition erodes the holiness of humanity. I don't think that China needed to progress in the same way as the west because their ancient philosophical beliefs emphasize unity. The Communists shook the fabric of that society mostly to prevent further abuse from the west but are slowly returning to the ancient values. And it's wrong to monopolize power for the sake of power instead of unity.
TurboRonin83 1 year ago
Thanks for your opinion. I read Jared Diamond's belief that geography had a huge part in history, in the way people interacted with each other and so on. The lowland of China were vast but open for a single ethnic group(Han Chinese as it happened) to become dominant. In Europe we do see how borders also tend to be concentrated on natural bariers, English channel, Alps, Pyrinees and so on. Of course defining success is a thing of perception, but that's another story all together!
HellesBringer 1 year ago
looks like the we'd already be populating the other planets by now if not for the dark ages..
kidfall1 2 years ago 16
Not really.....since progress was still going on in Iran, Byzantium, and China. Dark Ages only applied to Europe.
Greece had its own dark age, and was followed by the golden age of the city-states and philosophers.
HolyknightVader999 1 year ago
@kidfall1 Also, if it weren't for the dogma and teachings of the church, we may have never had such a regression. So, I agree with you completely. :)
777BROKENMESSIAH 1 year ago
@kidfall1 You'd think so, but Europe caught up pretty quick in the Renaissance. By the time England started the industrial revolution, the same circumstances were in Maharashtra and southern China. Maybe China would be ahead now, but for the Mongol mismanagement of the empire. The Mongols rendered Iran dust. In fact, the only nomadic invaders who didn't drive civilization backwards were the Arabs.
TempvsMortis 1 year ago
@kidfall1 thats an impresive lack of social understanding.
versmex87 1 year ago
@kidfall1 false.
the fall of Rome was the end of civilization in Europe not in the world. because with the fall of Rome began a new civilization: the islamic civilization that lasted until 1492 and contributed largely to the development of sciences and specially mathematics and medicine. the best proof for that are the surgery instruments invented by al-zahrawi that are still used today and the resolution of mathematic equations of 1 unknown twice powered.
There is not only Europe in the World.
alec00618 1 year ago
@alec00618 You forgot the Chinese civilization. Somehow, the theory that the Christian dark ages led to the demise of science and technology seemed to have excluded the scientific contributions of the Chinese. When the British colonials first arrived to Chinese lands, they brought with them "scientific wonders" as gifts to the Emperor. All were rejected; save for the clock, which attracted attention in the court, the rest - telescopes, navigation equipment - have been invented long before.
kinxectic 1 year ago
@kinxectic yeah yeah yeah the chinese rejected the guns and cannons and war technology thats why they got raped by japs and europeans
lifes40123 1 year ago
@kinxectic I'm sorry, no one can neglect the contribution of the chinese, they were the first to invent paper money for example. Moreover there is a wonderful example of the collaboration of muslims and chinese, as I read that the leader of the greatest chinese Armada that was headed to Discover America around 1420 (long before Christopher Columbus) was a muslim chinese. This examples shows how those civilizations lived together in peace, unlike Europeans who destroyed every civilization found.
alec00618 1 year ago
@alec00618 Muslims are the one who invaded Europe in the first place...
Slavko961234 1 year ago
@Slavko961234 so wrong, proof: muslims were in Iberia only, under the request of the wisigoths themselves to help them one against the other. the muslims didn't invade iberia, they were asked in. for Turkey, it was defense against the crusades...
there a lot of lies saying that muslims are invaders, but how can someone be an invader if its religion forbids him to?
alec00618 1 year ago
@alec00618 Well you may be right... The victors write the history... But still... Muslims are pretty violent people...
Slavko961234 1 year ago
@Slavko961234 sorry dude, you can't give a judgement on a people and say they are violent... and I'm sure you know nothing about Islam and its Ideas to say something like this.
and yes the victors write the History, the very same victors who are the US today who write that muslims invaded europe and that muslims are violent.
alec00618 1 year ago
@alec00618 that's because muslims are violent and they did invade Europe that's why it's written down. Not only in Iberia, but in Sicily and southern Italy and the Balkans. Also in Persia, India, and North Africa it was all done through violence.
AssyrianGuy34 1 year ago
@AssyrianGuy34 no sir sorry... I have to quote what a renaissance Italian scientist wrote as a note in his book translated from a muslim book, "Let's save science from the barbarian hands of muslims". while in fact muslims were behing all the discoveries that were behind the renaissance, a muslims scientist doesn't write like that, if you read Al farabi Books about Aristotle, he talks about Aristotle as he talks about a king of science, and at every sentence he mentions him says, "Dear Master".
alec00618 1 year ago
@AssyrianGuy34 muslims or asians in general are way too different from european way of thinking. and sorry for italy or Sicily there was no bloody invasion, go back to History, at that time, Byzantine ships were still applying the "Mare Nostrum" and were destroying every non Byzantine ship in the mediterranean, what brought muslims to Italy is to track those Pirates, it's not a coincidence that the Byzatine Emperor was assassinated in Italy by his own people when he failed because of his policy.
alec00618 1 year ago