Hey there, i am new to chess but this is what i saw. Curious to see what you think. Black queen takes F1(rook) - check. White queen retakes. Black rook Moves to E1. White queen takes rook. Black Rook takes white queen for check mate. I guess the only problem then is the possibility of white not taking the rook? And moving a pawn to allow space for the king? Idk, Hah
Morphy was upset that Paulsen often took over an hour per move. He probably opted for the longer mate for the psychological effect. I doubt Morphy missed anything.
Also, Fischer said Morphy took 12 minutes to think about the queen sac to be sure of every combination. Morphy often played very fast, usually taking less than 5 mins per move.
@zduracel77 on 5:32 after white queen moves to d3. your suggesting to do Bg2. which then white is forced Kd1. however if at this point black does Bf3. the piece that is checking the king is the rook on g6. the white queen on d3 must take it to prevent mate.
@zduracel77 and just to add on. Bg2. the Kd1 makes no sense at 5:32. how does the king go from being at h1 to d1? im guessing you meant : Bg2. Kg1. Bf3
@natdogrocker and others: Bxf2+ was the move I thought as well, but after 1...Bxf2+ 2. Kxf2! (instead of Rxf2) there is no straightforward win for black.
Morphy's a real pro at initiating an attack after opening the G-file like that, but I don't get to see him do it very often with a queen. --not to mention how good he is at coordinating an attack with rooks and bishops.
Not only is Morphy probably the sharpest player ever, but he always gets the opponent to play his game. Very nice vid.
Great video! I'm curious, doesn't it look like Morphy could have played Bxf2+ ! instead of saccing the queen at the start and got a winning attack that way? Or did he have to do a queen sacrifice?
About the video line, provably I'm wrong because they are the grandmaster, but I think that:
1...Qxf3 2.gxf3 Rg6+ 3.Kh1 Bh3 then white can ignore the rook, because he is up on material. Then white could play 4.Qd3 (threating the rook) and I think it stops the attack.
Something like that:
· 4.Qd3 Bg2+ 5.Kg1 Bf3+ 6.Qxg6 hxg6 7.d4 white wins...
· 4.Qd3 Bxf2 5.Qxg6 hxg6 6.Rd1 white got advantage
In the line: 1. ... Qxf3 2.gxf3 Rg6+ 3.Kh1 Bh3 4.Rd1 Bg2+ 5.Kg1 Bxf3+ 6.Kf1
6. ...Rg2 7. Qxb6 is not enough either( 7. ... axb6 is weak as after 8. d4 Bxe1 9.Kxg2 white survives :) ) 7. ... Rxh2! black wins. The same happens after 7. d4 Rxh2 8. Be3 Rh1X
I played this one on my board. I did find an alternative, but it only works if black captures with his F1 Rook, which is the most likely response from an amateur, but a pro or the computer might not make that mistake, and may capture with the King.
1. Sacrifice black Bishop on B6 to F2. F1 Rook captures
2. Then move E6 to E1, check. White will have to block with F2 to F1.
I cant believe you said you did not know paul morphy he is a chess god and seconed is bobby fischer" dude I like your vids nice and sweet but you did not know a lot about morphy he is and was and will be nbr 1 chess god and 3rd would be kasaprov....like hello
I read once about Morphy playing 8 strong players blindfolded and winning all of them. Interestingly enough he actually did not enjoy chess very much -- the only reason he played competitively was because from the age of 19 to 21 he wasn't legally permitted to practice law. He never played for money and never became successful at law due to his chess fame.
if you actually notice, he never even had to use the "discovered checks" he could have brought over his dark square bishop from the beginning. Same result 4 less moves.
I see a much quicker mate in this game, requiring only two moves: At 2:31, Black bishop moves up to H3 and White rook retreats to D1. Next move should have been black's other bishop comes crashing in at F1, which puts him one move away from mating by moving the H3 bishop to G2.
after he moves the bishop to h3 why the white player just let the bishop eat the root on 1f? i just don't get it why the why player move that root? somebody please explain.
Realy nice queen sac, but why does the white bishop needs to take the F3 pawn? It is always nice to get some material and have an open line for the rooks, but instead of taking the F3 pawn, take the F2 pawn with the black bishop. Speeds the mate a little bit, or am i missing a move that could prevent this?
at 1st glance i thought it had something to do with Qxf1, but i soon realised one line can stop the attack so then i looked into Qxf3, i knew it was all oer after Rg6+.
Jrobi at the start of the video white isn't really looking for a queen trade although he don't mind. But the main point of the move Qa6 is getting Qf1+ (with mate soon) out the position.
I saw queen takes rook at the beginning and then when the white queen recaptures the black queen on f8 black would simply play re1 pinning the black queen and winning it for only a rook. this line is obviously not as strong as the queen sack, but i found it intresting
i could be mistaken but I think that there is a much more simple way to chackmate in this game: Qd3 goes to f1 chacking the king. than white's queens recaptureand than brings the rook to f1-pinnig the queen. than the queen takes rook and the you bring the other rook -capture the queen and chackmate. this can happen both if white decides to capture first with the king.
i thought that too but if queen does not take the rook and moves a pawn forward to give his king an escape !!!!! dont forget if rook takes queen king can take rook !!! and other rook cant cover or attack cuz king is too close !!!!!!!!!
After White queen takes Black queen and is pinned by the Black rook, White queen doesn't take the Black rook. White moves pawn for an escape square. If Black trades rook for queen then they are even- both lost a rook and a queen.
Similar moves made by Morphy is impossible because of the Queen on d3, it will capture the Bishop on h6 right away!1... Qxf3 2. gxf3 Rg6+ 3. Kh1 Bh3 4. Qd3 f5 5. Rd1 Bg2+ 6. Kg1 Bxf3+ 7. Kf1
it seems that under perfect computer play. Morphy can not finish the game in another 40 moves or so. 1... Qxf3 2. gxf3 Rg6+ 3. Kh1 Bh3 4. Qd3 f5 5. Rd1 Bg2+ 6. Kg1 Bxf3+ 7. Kf1
Bxd1 8. Qc4+ Kh8 9. d4! block's the Bishop on b6, and can no longer capture the f2 pawn. If you try to capture the f2 pawn before capture the f3 pawn,6... Bh3+ 7. Kh1 Bxf2 8. Qf1 Bxf1 9. Rxf1 Re2 10. Rb2 Rh6 11. d4! attack the Rook on h6 and the Rook on e2, and there is no way black can keep his advantage.
Wouldn't Bxf7 work as well? Black lands a check forcing white to capture the bishop with th rook or retreat to h1, and im both cases, black can bring his rook down to e1 to deliver the mate
yes. after 1Qxf1 Qxf1 Re1! white has the option of simply moving a pawn to allow king escape or do something else since he is not yet checked. He will be checked when Re1xf1 and then he can simply take the rook as it is no longer protected and that is only a queen and rook trade.
I'm actually not as super impressed by this as others might be (I'm not in the least doubting that it's superb chess). But, with the power he had bearing down on the king's position, with 2 rooks ready to swoop in, and 2 bishops ALREADY in swoop position--it doesn't seem that amazing to use the queen as a "can opener." If you can't mate a fairly bound up king with 2 rooks and 2 bishops focused on it, then....you need to start playing backgammon.
Hey jrobi, I love your vids -- your commentary is clear, concise and entertaining. Thank you, THANK YOU for taking the time to create and post these lessons! One question about this match: if you plug the position into your chess engine BEFORE the Queen sac, does the engine spot the move?
am i missing something here or could blacks queen have taken the rook then when the king takes black could bring down its rook and that would be chechmate?
But then again, if black attacks the rook, white's queen will attack black's. This saves it from checkmate, as if black moves the rook upwards (which eventually takes the queen away in exchange for the rook), the king could move his pawn from G2->G3.
Black queen captures rook, white queen recaptures. Black Rook to E1 to pin. White move is irrelevant. Rook takes queen, king takes rook. White up a rook.
I've just started playing this game and I think it's my reluctance to lose any powerful piece that stops my mind from making these connections to gaining the positional upperhand, if anyone could engage in some correspondence of a tutorial nature I would be very grateful.
I have found shorter lines after 0.Rd1(Rd1 was the crucially mistake 0.Qd3 would be better): 1...Bg2+ 2.Kg1Bxf3+3.Kf1Rg2 4.Qe2 Rxe2 and then 5...Rxh2 6...Rh1# or 3...Bg2+ 4.Kg1 Be4+ 5.Kf1Bf5 6.Qe2(what else?) Bh3+ 7.Ke1 Rg1#
I was thinking on Bf2+ king captures (if rook, then mate :)) then Re2+, BxRe2, Qf5+ but then I realize its bullshit, so I watched vid, and it was O.O Im so stupid sometimes...
rook E1 and if white captures that rook black can just swing the other rook for mate.
If white doesn't capture black still can pull it off.
Say white plays bishop to E2 trying to remove the queen, all black has to do is take that bishop with the queen and white has to capture the queen otherwise it is mate in one, but either way, black can just swing the other rook up to E2 and it is pretty much game over from there
I came up with some alternative moves ...........please comment your views on the same.
Black Queen takes white queen ... the white rook moves to a6. Black rook moves to E2 or E1. And from there with lot many variations Black can win game in 3 to 4 moves .
Didnt looked good. It isnt possible to checkmate there because when the Black Queen takes the Tower on F1 The White Queen would take back the black Queen on F1.
why not, from this starting position, queen take rook. this forces queen to come back and you can use two rooks to checkmate soon afterwards...am i missing something?
If white queen takes rook on f1, then black queen takes back on f1, white rook on white rook on e6 move to e1. But black queen can choose not to take the rook on e1 and get mated. Black can move other pieces and be safe. If white rook takes queen, king takes back and the rook on e8 cannot go to e1 because the king will take that rook.
It's mate in 2 still after Rxh2 soon to be followed by Rh1 mate. Black doesn't even need to take the queen after it takes the bishop. Thanks for checking out the vid!
cool video but another possble nice moves if you play a normal player is to capture rook with queen, it depends on how the game is player out cause there will be 2 different check mates and one way of equaling up the material
after looking at it more it may not be forced. the key is for when the rook comes down to check white instead of the bishop taking the king retreats. so it looks like b6f2 does not automatically force a mate.
That's incorrect. Taking with the bishop actually swings things right back to white's advantage after KxF2. Black has no solid reply and white is almost up a full piece in material strength. Thanks for checking out the vid!
at the starting position, can someone tell me why black would take the white rook next to the king. then white has two options, kill the queen with his own queen which would lead to mate or kill the queen with the black king, which would also eventaully lead to mate. why didnt he just end the game quickly?
no, queen captures rook, queen captures queen, rook e1 and pawn h3, it is not checkmate if rook takes queen then king takes rook and it is a even game
In this position for white.. I like (1.Bxf7+ because the rook cant take due to Re1+ by black followed by RF1 by white then RxF1++) So 1.Bxf7,Kh1 2. Qxf1, Qxf1 3. Re1 (White queen cannot take the rook due to Rxq++ after) so white has to play g4 then 4.RxQ+,Kg2 5. Rxc1, Kxf2) Then Black is up a rook and a bishop and can easily win. But its all about preference I guess. Great Vid.
I actually meant In this position for black I like "(1.Bxf7+ because the rook cant take due to Re1+ by black followed by RF1 by white then RxF1++) So 1.Bxf7,Kh1 2. Qxf1, Qxf1 3. Re1 (White queen cannot take the rook due to Rxq++ after) so white has to play g4 then 4.RxQ+,Kg2 5. Rxc1, Kxf2) Then Black is up a rook and a bishop and can easily win. "
I don't know what the best options are but I thought up a series of moves for black possibly leading to a quicker checkmate with a few simple ways to stop but tell me what you think:
for blacks move...wasnt it mate if the queen took the rook at f1? coz then the white queen wud take...then blacks castle wud go up..pinning the queen to king...and forced mate next move?
A line I saw was 1... Qxf1+, 2. Qxf1 Re1, pinning the queen. The queen can't take back, because of a quick back-rank mate (3. Qxe1 Rxe1#), so the king gives himself an escape square perhaps 3. h2 Rxf1+ 4. Kxf1 ..., (followed soon by white playing d4) and Black has a pretty even game, as his pieces are active, and he can likely overturn White. But the line he came up with was brilliant. Nicely done.
Hey there, i am new to chess but this is what i saw. Curious to see what you think. Black queen takes F1(rook) - check. White queen retakes. Black rook Moves to E1. White queen takes rook. Black Rook takes white queen for check mate. I guess the only problem then is the possibility of white not taking the rook? And moving a pawn to allow space for the king? Idk, Hah
NOS187 1 week ago
@NOS187 saw the same thing as you
austinedwards7 1 week ago
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@NOS187 saw the same thing as you
austinedwards7 1 week ago
my guess is queen to B1
Expirement115 2 months ago in playlist Grandmaster Chess Tactics
Qxf1+ Kxf1, Re1#
die1gast 4 months ago
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it would be equal because the pinned queen musnt take the rook on e1
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ryanterrence 7 months ago
I always enjoy when the queen gets sacced! for the long haul
valfitness 9 months ago
b00m i got it when i paused the video!
picture12345678 9 months ago
Morphy was upset that Paulsen often took over an hour per move. He probably opted for the longer mate for the psychological effect. I doubt Morphy missed anything.
Also, Fischer said Morphy took 12 minutes to think about the queen sac to be sure of every combination. Morphy often played very fast, usually taking less than 5 mins per move.
zz911wasInsideJobzz 10 months ago
theres more literature on chess then any other game in the history of mankind combined...
thegame52291 11 months ago
Then Rxh2
SirSaavedra 11 months ago
Rxh2 is unstoppable!
SirSaavedra 11 months ago
nice
MrVenudas 1 year ago
At 5:32 , couldn't you just go Bg2 check, Kd1, then Bf3 checkmate?
zduracel77 1 year ago
@zduracel77 then queen on d3 takes rook on g6. the pawn push was necessary to block the queen from being able to capture the rook
ToodYou 9 months ago
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zduracel77 9 months ago
@zduracel77 on 5:32 after white queen moves to d3. your suggesting to do Bg2. which then white is forced Kd1. however if at this point black does Bf3. the piece that is checking the king is the rook on g6. the white queen on d3 must take it to prevent mate.
ToodYou 9 months ago
@zduracel77 and just to add on. Bg2. the Kd1 makes no sense at 5:32. how does the king go from being at h1 to d1? im guessing you meant : Bg2. Kg1. Bf3
ToodYou 9 months ago
You say that Morphy "missed" the quicker mate. You misunderstand Morphy. He was a Romantic and wanted the longer mate, a longer mate has more flash.
jhayn002 1 year ago
what about...
Bxf2+, Rxf2, Re1+, Rf1, Rxf1#
natdogrocker 1 year ago
@natdogrocker and others: Bxf2+ was the move I thought as well, but after 1...Bxf2+ 2. Kxf2! (instead of Rxf2) there is no straightforward win for black.
urvang 8 months ago
Morphy's a real pro at initiating an attack after opening the G-file like that, but I don't get to see him do it very often with a queen. --not to mention how good he is at coordinating an attack with rooks and bishops.
Not only is Morphy probably the sharpest player ever, but he always gets the opponent to play his game. Very nice vid.
MikeDecipher 1 year ago
I would've done rook to e-2
wywyman 1 year ago
Great video! I'm curious, doesn't it look like Morphy could have played Bxf2+ ! instead of saccing the queen at the start and got a winning attack that way? Or did he have to do a queen sacrifice?
thegambitking 1 year ago
@thegambitking This is the line I saw too (Bxf2). I'm also curious to how this would have played out.
KingRingSting 1 year ago
@KingRingSting Sweet-great minds think alike!
thegambitking 1 year ago
@thegambitking
Kxf2 is forced and it looks like it holds.
lawltaxcuts 1 year ago
@lawltaxcuts I'd have to look at it more, but it looks like you might be right, although it would certainly still be dangerous for White!
thegambitking 1 year ago
Couldnt black just capture the rook with the queen in the beginning? If the queen recaptures then rook to e1
dennychen555 1 year ago
@dennychen555 nevermind, if the queen does not capture the rook then white is safe
dennychen555 1 year ago
About the video line, provably I'm wrong because they are the grandmaster, but I think that:
1...Qxf3 2.gxf3 Rg6+ 3.Kh1 Bh3 then white can ignore the rook, because he is up on material. Then white could play 4.Qd3 (threating the rook) and I think it stops the attack.
Something like that:
· 4.Qd3 Bg2+ 5.Kg1 Bf3+ 6.Qxg6 hxg6 7.d4 white wins...
· 4.Qd3 Bxf2 5.Qxg6 hxg6 6.Rd1 white got advantage
· 4.Qd3 Rg5 5.f4...
· 4.Qd3 f5 5.Qc4+ Kf8 6.Qh4 (6...Bg2+ 7.Kg1 Bf3+ Qg3) 6...Bxf1 7.Ba3
Ilorion 1 year ago
1...Bxf2 doesn't win with checkmate although, as I see, presents a beautiful game and wins at least by material:
· 2.Rxf2 Re1 3.Rf1 Rxf1++
or 2.Kh1 Qxf8 3.Qxf8 Re8:
· 4.h3 Bg3 5.Kg1 Rxf1+ 6.Kxf1 Re1++
· 4.g3 Bh3 5.Bg2 Rxf1+ 6.Bxf1 Re1 7.d4 Rxf1++
· but 4.g4 Rxf1+ 5.Kg2 Rxc1 6.Kxf2 saves de game and white should play an endgame with less material
Ilorion 1 year ago
amazing stuff! i am watching it again!
islamaah 1 year ago
amazing stuff!
islamaah 1 year ago
In the line: 1. ... Qxf3 2.gxf3 Rg6+ 3.Kh1 Bh3 4.Rd1 Bg2+ 5.Kg1 Bxf3+ 6.Kf1
6. ...Rg2 7. Qxb6 is not enough either( 7. ... axb6 is weak as after 8. d4 Bxe1 9.Kxg2 white survives :) ) 7. ... Rxh2! black wins. The same happens after 7. d4 Rxh2 8. Be3 Rh1X
krruger79 1 year ago
IMPRESSIVE..
omer88f 1 year ago
the best move for black is Nxf2.Unstoppable...
vitofagos 1 year ago
I played this one on my board. I did find an alternative, but it only works if black captures with his F1 Rook, which is the most likely response from an amateur, but a pro or the computer might not make that mistake, and may capture with the King.
1. Sacrifice black Bishop on B6 to F2. F1 Rook captures
2. Then move E6 to E1, check. White will have to block with F2 to F1.
3. Capture F1 Rook for checkmate.
raby760 1 year ago
That was a damn genius attack! WOW! Thanks for uploading.
Powerofthecowboy 1 year ago
2:36 b6 to f2
demon777king 1 year ago
I paused the video. Is the winning line: B2xf2, Kg1-h1, Qd3xRf1, QA6xQf1, Re6-e1...?
Sakio442 1 year ago
I cant believe you said you did not know paul morphy he is a chess god and seconed is bobby fischer" dude I like your vids nice and sweet but you did not know a lot about morphy he is and was and will be nbr 1 chess god and 3rd would be kasaprov....like hello
chess747 1 year ago
I read once about Morphy playing 8 strong players blindfolded and winning all of them. Interestingly enough he actually did not enjoy chess very much -- the only reason he played competitively was because from the age of 19 to 21 he wasn't legally permitted to practice law. He never played for money and never became successful at law due to his chess fame.
an interesting character indeed.
gotaids 1 year ago
jrobi have you ever seen someones second move be the king? cause thats the move i do,
snicky0nicky 1 year ago
i paused and i'm going to say bxf2
mattfca 1 year ago
Pro Yo!
FalkonX3000 1 year ago
at 2:32, what if BxRf1, and then QxBf1? How will black have a victory?
MultiGumbo 1 year ago
movw the castle up, white takes castle with his castle, then use the other castle to check mate him. :)
demonluxray2 1 year ago
would if black wouldv'etaken the rook king
breadwinner313 1 year ago
brilliant!
sandwichappy 1 year ago
i read somewhere that morphy only thought for 12 minutes on the QxB move! Which was apparently very long for him.
jesuistahmid 1 year ago
if you actually notice, he never even had to use the "discovered checks" he could have brought over his dark square bishop from the beginning. Same result 4 less moves.
newknow72 2 years ago
I see a much quicker mate in this game, requiring only two moves: At 2:31, Black bishop moves up to H3 and White rook retreats to D1. Next move should have been black's other bishop comes crashing in at F1, which puts him one move away from mating by moving the H3 bishop to G2.
gilbet 2 years ago
amazing queen sacrifice:)
michaeljimpogi23 2 years ago
after he moves the bishop to h3 why the white player just let the bishop eat the root on 1f? i just don't get it why the why player move that root? somebody please explain.
alexleyva22 2 years ago
I came up with the Idea Of 1...Qxf1 2. Qxf1... Re1, But this is simply amazing!
001124 2 years ago
Realy nice queen sac, but why does the white bishop needs to take the F3 pawn? It is always nice to get some material and have an open line for the rooks, but instead of taking the F3 pawn, take the F2 pawn with the black bishop. Speeds the mate a little bit, or am i missing a move that could prevent this?
Robocop131313 2 years ago
An amazing queen sac to see over the board
dw1176 2 years ago
at 1st glance i thought it had something to do with Qxf1, but i soon realised one line can stop the attack so then i looked into Qxf3, i knew it was all oer after Rg6+.
theamazingbird 2 years ago
Why not just QxR, QxQ, Re1?
spectrophotography 2 years ago
Jrobi at the start of the video white isn't really looking for a queen trade although he don't mind. But the main point of the move Qa6 is getting Qf1+ (with mate soon) out the position.
What a nice line Morphy came up with.
serrie85 2 years ago
Great Video!!! Paul Morphy's ideas were too big for the chess board... Thanks for posting the video :)
azmasti 2 years ago
I saw queen takes rook at the beginning and then when the white queen recaptures the black queen on f8 black would simply play re1 pinning the black queen and winning it for only a rook. this line is obviously not as strong as the queen sack, but i found it intresting
MyMusicalMelody 2 years ago
What if the Queen don't take the Rook?
drydyboy 2 years ago
then the rook takes the queen check
MyMusicalMelody 2 years ago
And the king take the rook. Result, equality of material.
drydyboy 2 years ago
saw it =) great move
stuffyfreerunner 2 years ago
i could be mistaken but I think that there is a much more simple way to chackmate in this game: Qd3 goes to f1 chacking the king. than white's queens recaptureand than brings the rook to f1-pinnig the queen. than the queen takes rook and the you bring the other rook -capture the queen and chackmate. this can happen both if white decides to capture first with the king.
(although i misht be missing something)
maliciamuzenza 2 years ago
i thought that too but if queen does not take the rook and moves a pawn forward to give his king an escape !!!!! dont forget if rook takes queen king can take rook !!! and other rook cant cover or attack cuz king is too close !!!!!!!!!
dobsondale 2 years ago
@maliciamuzenza
After White queen takes Black queen and is pinned by the Black rook, White queen doesn't take the Black rook. White moves pawn for an escape square. If Black trades rook for queen then they are even- both lost a rook and a queen.
gilbet 2 years ago
i saw it my gosh i saw it but i had also read a book about sacrifises two minets befor
MrMarson123456 2 years ago
What do you mean by "line"?
VitalSigns1 2 years ago
the moves
MyMusicalMelody 2 years ago
That attack was brutal.
badakkering 2 years ago 13
Similar moves made by Morphy is impossible because of the Queen on d3, it will capture the Bishop on h6 right away!1... Qxf3 2. gxf3 Rg6+ 3. Kh1 Bh3 4. Qd3 f5 5. Rd1 Bg2+ 6. Kg1 Bxf3+ 7. Kf1
Bg2+ 8. Kg1 Bh6 9.Qxh6!
tsy0302 2 years ago
it seems that under perfect computer play. Morphy can not finish the game in another 40 moves or so. 1... Qxf3 2. gxf3 Rg6+ 3. Kh1 Bh3 4. Qd3 f5 5. Rd1 Bg2+ 6. Kg1 Bxf3+ 7. Kf1
Bxd1 8. Qc4+ Kh8 9. d4! block's the Bishop on b6, and can no longer capture the f2 pawn. If you try to capture the f2 pawn before capture the f3 pawn,6... Bh3+ 7. Kh1 Bxf2 8. Qf1 Bxf1 9. Rxf1 Re2 10. Rb2 Rh6 11. d4! attack the Rook on h6 and the Rook on e2, and there is no way black can keep his advantage.
tsy0302 2 years ago
Paul Morphy is genius!!!
MrMalaysia94 2 years ago
Sorry, I meant Bxf2, and then bring down the rooks
TmTRaxo 2 years ago
If Bxf2+, white plays Kxf2 and the rooks can't do much.
Idneed30charforanick 2 years ago
Wouldn't Bxf7 work as well? Black lands a check forcing white to capture the bishop with th rook or retreat to h1, and im both cases, black can bring his rook down to e1 to deliver the mate
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DestroyerOx 2 years ago
am i missing something or could the first move on the video been 1 ...Qxf1 then 2. Qxf1 Re1 3. Qxe1Rxe1 checkmate....
is there a hidden piece somewhere that would prevent that or something or a pin i am missing?
Paint 2 years ago
after looking at it for a while i saw that moving the white bishop to e2 could stop that
Paint 2 years ago
yes. after 1Qxf1 Qxf1 Re1! white has the option of simply moving a pawn to allow king escape or do something else since he is not yet checked. He will be checked when Re1xf1 and then he can simply take the rook as it is no longer protected and that is only a queen and rook trade.
dragonu2rosu 2 years ago
white couldve taken the queen with his king
DestroyerOx 2 years ago
I'm actually not as super impressed by this as others might be (I'm not in the least doubting that it's superb chess). But, with the power he had bearing down on the king's position, with 2 rooks ready to swoop in, and 2 bishops ALREADY in swoop position--it doesn't seem that amazing to use the queen as a "can opener." If you can't mate a fairly bound up king with 2 rooks and 2 bishops focused on it, then....you need to start playing backgammon.
GetMeThere1 2 years ago
wow, brilliant
Mudd0000 2 years ago
That was a beautiful move and i cant believe i guess it right. But it was nothing more than a lucky guess.
roxROXzMon 2 years ago
at first seeing this i thought BxP would be the strongest move, and still leads to a forced mate, but this tactic is interesting
mballin224 2 years ago
oh sorri at 6:12 not 14 i mean queen to c4 check, follow by d2 to d3
rainieNserenie 2 years ago
Hey jrobi, I love your vids -- your commentary is clear, concise and entertaining. Thank you, THANK YOU for taking the time to create and post these lessons! One question about this match: if you plug the position into your chess engine BEFORE the Queen sac, does the engine spot the move?
JoeytheGenius 2 years ago
at 6:14 queen to c4 check, follow by d2 to d3 should secure the game for white
rainieNserenie 2 years ago
Black's dark square bishop would simply capture the white queen in that event.
nr1771 2 years ago
at 7:25 what if white plays pawn D2 - D4?
ongoy4 2 years ago 12
Rxh2 and mate next move by Rh1#
schachgott 2 years ago
@ongoy4 rooks takes h2 n then w.e white plays rook goes to h1 with mate
hhhhbk2009 1 year ago
@ongoy4 Black plays Rxh2 followed by Rh1 mate!
thegambitking 1 year ago
@ongoy4 Rxh2
TonystarkPlaya0990 1 year ago
@ongoy4
Rxh2 is unstoppable
SirSaavedra 11 months ago
Never seen this game before, first move I thought was actually Qxf3 too. I do this kind of stuff all the time with varying results :P
elpaisitadeoro 2 years ago
yes, your missing the fact that the rook is defended by the queen.
countryjumper 2 years ago
am i missing something here or could blacks queen have taken the rook then when the king takes black could bring down its rook and that would be chechmate?
agr8sh0t 2 years ago
that was my first thought too 0.0
But then again, if black attacks the rook, white's queen will attack black's. This saves it from checkmate, as if black moves the rook upwards (which eventually takes the queen away in exchange for the rook), the king could move his pawn from G2->G3.
xXHappyxBlueXx 2 years ago
A3 white Queen
Black queen captures rook, white queen recaptures. Black Rook to E1 to pin. White move is irrelevant. Rook takes queen, king takes rook. White up a rook.
JaapMaarleveld 2 years ago
I have a question.
After black played bishop[f2-e3] (4:20)...
Why doesnt white move the rook from f1 to f2?
The black rook on h6 cant attack this way. If black takes the white rook on f2 he will lose an rook too and his attack will crumble.
What would black do? Attacking the king with e2-e1? I have no board here, so i cannot try it out to the end.
Or am i missing something important?
Its am not that good of a player, so it might be i am just trying to pull something stupid.
Excuse me then.
TheVergile 2 years ago
I've just started playing this game and I think it's my reluctance to lose any powerful piece that stops my mind from making these connections to gaining the positional upperhand, if anyone could engage in some correspondence of a tutorial nature I would be very grateful.
shinyshite 2 years ago
1... Qxf1 2. Qxf1 Re1 Qxe1 3. Rxe1# wins
Rightcouch 2 years ago
Doesn't work out - white doesn't have to take the rook on E1 and will be better in the position. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
@jrobichess what if when you hit the check with bishop if white does not capture rook on e1?
pati6882 11 months ago
I have found shorter lines after 0.Rd1(Rd1 was the crucially mistake 0.Qd3 would be better): 1...Bg2+ 2.Kg1Bxf3+3.Kf1Rg2 4.Qe2 Rxe2 and then 5...Rxh2 6...Rh1# or 3...Bg2+ 4.Kg1 Be4+ 5.Kf1Bf5 6.Qe2(what else?) Bh3+ 7.Ke1 Rg1#
hallotata 2 years ago
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hallotata 2 years ago
to Qxc6, RxQ, then putting Rook back in g6
elpaisitadeoro 2 years ago
I did not see that at all...
HoliCrapItsAllan 2 years ago
I was thinking on Bf2+ king captures (if rook, then mate :)) then Re2+, BxRe2, Qf5+ but then I realize its bullshit, so I watched vid, and it was O.O Im so stupid sometimes...
Nithus0 2 years ago
very nice sacrifice indeed. I would dare for such :))
Nithus0 2 years ago
BRAVO!
AlamoCityCello 2 years ago
what would have happened if the black queen went from D3 to F1, taking the white rook?
ICUFreely 2 years ago
at 2:51, the white bishop could have move to E-2 and forked the king and the queen
shawtygotloh 2 years ago
He was going for the checkmate and not material. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
what about bishop b2 than bishop a3 and another possible move is rook A1
gill2688 2 years ago
Hi Jrobi - I think there is a much more quicker check mate. If queen takes the rook in f1 and after that is kind of clear . . . What do you think?
LifeChalice 2 years ago
... Qxf1
Qxf1 and now if black Re6
g3
at least that's how I see it :)
agemo2007ed 2 years ago
Ooopss! Yeah, you are right. I didn't consider that move. Thanks a lot for the reply.
LifeChalice 2 years ago
NIce. This was so intriguing.
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clarko445 2 years ago
Faster mate would have been:
rook E1 and if white captures that rook black can just swing the other rook for mate.
If white doesn't capture black still can pull it off.
Say white plays bishop to E2 trying to remove the queen, all black has to do is take that bishop with the queen and white has to capture the queen otherwise it is mate in one, but either way, black can just swing the other rook up to E2 and it is pretty much game over from there
Ceyezas 2 years ago
I came up with some alternative moves ...........please comment your views on the same.
Black Queen takes white queen ... the white rook moves to a6. Black rook moves to E2 or E1. And from there with lot many variations Black can win game in 3 to 4 moves .
Comment on these line of moves .........
babaikaushik 2 years ago
nice tactics
rolfch1p 2 years ago
jrobi, did the chess engine see morphy's original move?
hueypham04 2 years ago
at 3:11 y doesnt the queen take the c6 pawn??? instead of moving it up ????
bubblechubby 2 years ago
Rook just takes the queen at c6, without getting the bishop.
mawamax 2 years ago
TOWER?!
scissorblade99 2 years ago
AM SRRY SRRY,
Didnt looked good. It isnt possible to checkmate there because when the Black Queen takes the Tower on F1 The White Queen would take back the black Queen on F1.
Excuse me for my stupidness. xD
wgangstersp 2 years ago
backsliderking i saw 2 seconds agow accectly the same thing.
Queen takes Tower. King takes Queen Tower goes 2 E1 end simply checkmates. Whaha a child can see that xD.
wgangstersp 2 years ago
it's called a rook.
TheChadSitze 2 years ago
No, after queen takes rook (tower) white just takes back with the queen on a6.
mawamax 2 years ago
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danpt2000 2 years ago
why not, from this starting position, queen take rook. this forces queen to come back and you can use two rooks to checkmate soon afterwards...am i missing something?
backsliderking 2 years ago
If white queen takes rook on f1, then black queen takes back on f1, white rook on white rook on e6 move to e1. But black queen can choose not to take the rook on e1 and get mated. Black can move other pieces and be safe. If white rook takes queen, king takes back and the rook on e8 cannot go to e1 because the king will take that rook.
owenkoh 2 years ago
Did you mix up the colors?
danpt2000 2 years ago
at 7:27 white could sack the bishop on b6 to prevent the checkmate
syddalboy 3 years ago
It's mate in 2 still after Rxh2 soon to be followed by Rh1 mate. Black doesn't even need to take the queen after it takes the bishop. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 3 years ago
I paused the video. I say the best move is the queen taking the rook. Then queen takes queen; rook to E1; queen takes rook, rook takes queen mate.
BipolarBowler 2 years ago
isn't it black's move on 7:27? So the queen do not have chance to capture bishop on b6 because white is on check.
owenkoh 2 years ago
Could white try Qxc6, then d4 after to try and still play the game longer?
GoldSamuraiArmor 3 years ago
SO NASTYY
Shorty20122012 3 years ago
wow great great moves! Like Mols I first saw Qf1 (captures Rook).
Animalll2003lll 3 years ago
cool video but another possble nice moves if you play a normal player is to capture rook with queen, it depends on how the game is player out cause there will be 2 different check mates and one way of equaling up the material
MoIsMyNameNow 3 years ago
after looking at it more it may not be forced. the key is for when the rook comes down to check white instead of the bishop taking the king retreats. so it looks like b6f2 does not automatically force a mate.
bobdigital21 3 years ago
Correct, there's no threat of mate. White stands better after the bishop takes.
jrobichess 3 years ago
B6 to f2 from the bishop would have also ended it in check mate. if the kings takes instead of the rook it is a lot more tricky but still forced.
bobdigital21 3 years ago
That's incorrect. Taking with the bishop actually swings things right back to white's advantage. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 3 years ago
Rg6+ kh1, Bh3 Rd1.. then Bxf2... its mate in 1 with no good response.
jonjon2034 3 years ago
How is it mate in 1? White has QF1, BxF1 RxF1. The position is still better for black but nowhere near as strong as what Morphy played.
jrobichess 3 years ago
Bxf2 in the firstplace wins.. he didnt have to do all these discovered checks..
after Bh3 Rd1 Bxf2!!! and its ovaa
jonjon2034 3 years ago
That's incorrect. Taking with the bishop actually swings things right back to white's advantage after KxF2. Black has no solid reply and white is almost up a full piece in material strength. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 3 years ago
at the starting position, can someone tell me why black would take the white rook next to the king. then white has two options, kill the queen with his own queen which would lead to mate or kill the queen with the black king, which would also eventaully lead to mate. why didnt he just end the game quickly?
KChieFan16 3 years ago
no, queen captures rook, queen captures queen, rook e1 and pawn h3, it is not checkmate if rook takes queen then king takes rook and it is a even game
BR177 3 years ago
I thought of Queen captures Bishop but couldn't he have also captured the Rook on f1 with a threat of checkmating with the black rook on e6?
barcdl 3 years ago
6:15 at this moment the white needs to play Q to C4 check (not B to A3 witch is laim) and then d4!!! and white can win the game
sabiniq 3 years ago
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sabiniq 3 years ago
In this position for white.. I like (1.Bxf7+ because the rook cant take due to Re1+ by black followed by RF1 by white then RxF1++) So 1.Bxf7,Kh1 2. Qxf1, Qxf1 3. Re1 (White queen cannot take the rook due to Rxq++ after) so white has to play g4 then 4.RxQ+,Kg2 5. Rxc1, Kxf2) Then Black is up a rook and a bishop and can easily win. But its all about preference I guess. Great Vid.
H0rcrux 3 years ago
I actually meant In this position for black I like "(1.Bxf7+ because the rook cant take due to Re1+ by black followed by RF1 by white then RxF1++) So 1.Bxf7,Kh1 2. Qxf1, Qxf1 3. Re1 (White queen cannot take the rook due to Rxq++ after) so white has to play g4 then 4.RxQ+,Kg2 5. Rxc1, Kxf2) Then Black is up a rook and a bishop and can easily win. "
H0rcrux 3 years ago
I don't know what the best options are but I thought up a series of moves for black possibly leading to a quicker checkmate with a few simple ways to stop but tell me what you think:
1: Queen to B1
2: Queen takes bishop on C1
3: White Rook takes Queen
4: Rook from E6 to E1
5: White rook takes
6: Rook moves from E8 to E1 capturing White Rook
Checkmate!
Ninjakilla99 3 years ago
yes, but you'd leave an undefended queen in the middle. unless you moved pawn first
p1dg3 3 years ago
That was sweet he thought ahead so much
Entela96 3 years ago
for blacks move...wasnt it mate if the queen took the rook at f1? coz then the white queen wud take...then blacks castle wud go up..pinning the queen to king...and forced mate next move?
190light 3 years ago
Queen doesn't have to take the rook and if rook takes queen then white wins a rook in the transaction.
maurycy407 3 years ago
Doesn't win a rook as both sides lost a queen and a rook, but not that much of use and this line was obviously better.
wagnerrrrr 3 years ago
A line I saw was 1... Qxf1+, 2. Qxf1 Re1, pinning the queen. The queen can't take back, because of a quick back-rank mate (3. Qxe1 Rxe1#), so the king gives himself an escape square perhaps 3. h2 Rxf1+ 4. Kxf1 ..., (followed soon by white playing d4) and Black has a pretty even game, as his pieces are active, and he can likely overturn White. But the line he came up with was brilliant. Nicely done.
LittleChessElf 3 years ago