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Greedo shot first. I was an excellent scene showcasing Hen's bad ass Jedi sills by being able to dodge the bullet. I don't know what this nonsense is, but it isn't Star Warts.
The old (original) films had a story. The new films are nothing but a really long audio/ video - test/ setup disc for your system...THX certified, of course. Or are they? Geez, I don't remember now if he even bothered with THX for the Blu-rays...of course, all that was getting annoying, at one point it almost seemed like every movie had the stupid THX logo.
what i dont understand about the newer version is HOW THE FUCK DID GREEDO MISS when he shoots first?!! i mean han is like a foot away from him lol. greedo must be the worst bounty hunter ever or his big eyes are shit lol.
I just want George Lucas to explain to me how a professional bounty hunter could miss at a range of about 5 feet, when he had a full minute to aim, and was aiming at a stationary target.
I saw this as a kid. Han shot first! AND!... Ben was smoking a hookah! Right after he saved him from the sand people. It has been removed (CGI or airbrush?). Why? Lucas so PC minded he doesn't think our society can no longer handle things he put in his first Star Wars. I'm not pro or against smoking. I just know what I remember.
It's coming. At some point SOMEONE will make set with every single cut in existence. and charge an arm and a leg for it. And star wars fans will buy it.
"Han shot first" refers to the two differing scenes in comparison to one another, not who did what in either particular take. In the original film, Han shot first, in the remade scene Greedo shot first. I understand this was to lend Solo a less scum-like personality, done with the younger consumer generation in mind, the change is the byproduct of an overly PC culture.
It removes ALL the complexity of this character to have him not shoot first. If Han DIDN'T shoot first he probably would have been dead and a casualty of the Space Trade LONG ago. He's also being held at GUNPOINT. He is WELL within his rights to defend himself.
yeah, this part should have been left alone, but I'm afraid that ol' George Lucas has gone soft in his old age...pitty. That being said, I do like the new trilogy (I-III) as a seperate story.
@1rammstein21 You should watch the Mr. Plinkett reviews of the new trilogy. They are each 70-90 minutes long and explain on a cinematic AND screenwriting level, why all three of those movies are terrible.
Okay, in the original version, Han shot first. They then changed it because they wanted Han to be more "hero" like, so they made him shoot second, although when you watch it almost looks like they shoot at the same time (but you can tell Han shot second).
Greedo never shot anything. He didn't know about Han's intentions. I love it when some say that Luc-ass did this it because they are his movies and can do anything he wants with them. Makes me realize he doesn't give a damn about the money he gained through the years thanks to the fans he turned his back to. Maybe he shouldn't even bothered showing the films at all in the first place.
I hate this, I have the blueray and im watchin it and im like, WTF?!?!!?! Lucas made all of these new, NOT NEEDED things to star wars it sucks, I think they shud reease somthin where its like all of the original UNTOUCHED star wars original trilogy on dvd. That wud be SICK!!!!!
@jbetsole There are dvd collections of them which have untouched versions on the second disc. That's how mine is.
Problem is the back of the cover for the original trilogy mentions Anakin as being Darth Vader in the first sentence. Fortunately it was removable and I pealed it off before lending it out to people who hadn't seen it yet and they were surprised and liked that plot twist.
George Lucas's "always right" attitude now demands that it no longer be a plot twist though.
But look at it this way: 1977 Han Shot Greedo. All the subsequent times, Greedo was the one to fire. So if we look at it in the sense that the original version came out first, this is what originally happened, then technically Han did shoot first.
But look at it this way: 1977 Han Shot Greedo. All the subsequent times, Greedo was the one to fire. So if we look at it in the sense that the original version came out first, this is what originally happened, then technically Han did shoot first.
@garzilla3dx It's on DVD, you know. They were later included as bonus discs using the laserdisc as a source. Not remastered, but at least it's much better than the VHS.
If you're good with torrenting, I recommend looking for the Dark Jedi v3 version. I haven't grabbed it yet, but from what I've read it's the best the original films have looked. It uses the bonus discs as a source, but apparently fixes the colours and a bunch of other things, makes it look good on widescreen, and also includes surround sound.
I've read if you watch the official bonus discs on a widescreen TV, you get black bars on both sides. It's non-anamorphic.
If you're good with torrenting, I recommend looking for the Dark Jedi v3 version. I haven't grabbed it yet, but from what I've read it's the best the original films have looked. It uses the bonus discs as a source, but apparently fixes the colours and a bunch of other things, makes it look good on widescreen, and also includes surround sound.
I've read if you watch the official bonus discs on a widescreen TV, you get black bars on both sides. It's non-anamorphic.
If a guy points a gun at you, I think it's okay to shoot first. To be honest, when I saw the 97 version, it had been so long that I saw Star Wars that I never noticed the change of Greedo shooting first until someone pointed it out. Plus the new version happens so fast that I barely noticed Greedo shooting first in the special editions.
How I view it is Greedo shooting first is a very pointless change. George says he made the change because it makes Solo a better character by shooting in self defense. It doesnt really matter because we still see Han drawing his blaster from underneath the table which implies he was going to shoot Greedo anyway. Also Lucas having both shoot at nearly the same time on the 2004 DVD and the Blu-Ray in my opinion gives the whole thing even less sense.
@mielr Yeah if you don't buy them then it's a choice your making, personally I already own copies of all the originals so there's no need for me to buy blurays, but it doesn't mean I'm boycotting them. By boycotting them you are whining on youtube trying to make other people see things your way. I mean who cares it's a freaking movie. It's not a way of life, RELAX the world hasn't ended because Lucas changed one little things. it's his movies big deal
@TangSoo11 So, then explain to me why you're here, exactly? Don't you have anything better to do than telling people "it's just a movie"? Why don't you spend your time doing something you care about, instead of instructing other people what to do?
I just noticed something funny about the HD version. If you slow it down to frame by frame playback, Han Shoots TWICE. The new edit shows Greedo shoot and the shot reflects upward while Han a fraction of a second later shoots at Greedo,it appears from this angle that Han's shot hits Greedo. Then just before the scene change, another bolt fires from Han's gun, then the scene transitions and it show the explosion and Greedo falls over. So now it took 2 shots to kill Greedo?
Han shooting first was kinda, sorta the point. Han WAS a mercenary smuggler, looking out for his own profit. He then met Luke and Leia and BECAME a better man. It's a much better story.
FYI - If released I would buy DVDs of the original, UNEDITED versions of New Hope, Empire, and Return of the Jedi.
P.S. If George wants to edit let him do so on Phantom, Attack of the Clones, and Revenge of the Sith. THOSE are the movies that could stand some improvement.
@sleepybrownbear They're already on DVD. The thing that sucks is that they're non-anamorphic and are sourced from the laserdisc. Not remastered. But still much better than the VHS. They were released as bonus discs in 2006.
The problem with the Han Solo character is he grew into a hero over the years. Yet when he was first introduced he was a scoundrel. It was a redemption story that Lucas destroyed by revising the original. In fact, by shooting second, it's ruins the whole redemption angle. Plus it's laughable to think Greedo would miss from a few feet away.
sick sick SICK. That's all I have to say for this original scene. I'm watching all the movies in chronological order again, and I've stopped in the middle of A New Hope just to look this up. Thank god for youtube.
Supposedly they changed it because they didn't want viewers to think Han Solo was a cold-hearted killer, but Han was totally justified to shoot first. He says, "Over my dead body" and then Greedo says "That's the idea, I've been waiting for this for a long time."
From that line of dialogue, Greedo was intending on killing Han right then and there. Han shot in self-defense, it wasn't murder at all.
The change was just downright horrible. I saw some people even coming up with the edited scene as an evidence for "Han Solo's force-sensitivity." It was a stupid argument that Han Solo could avoid Greedo's blaster at so close the range because he was also force-sensitive. Yet what is more stupid is that Lucas edited this wonderful scene almost for no rational reason. A stupid decision results in a shitty scene, and a shitty scene results in block-headed fans.
HAN SHOT FIRST PEOPLE! WHOEVER THINKS DIFFERENTLY IS WEIRD! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN! HAN! HAN! HAN!
Here's what I don't get now that I've read the Han Solo trilogy books. I used to agree with the change being bad, but after reading the books I think it makes more sense if Greedo shoots first. Han Solo NEVER shot first in all 3 books, and tried at all times to avoid taking a life. The only time he kills people is when they start it,and the book makes it a point to emphasize this several times.
U know I was getting ready to get rid of my old star wars movies on VHS with all the original scenes but now after seeing all they have cut out now I'm keeping them forever I will be buried with them loljk
@mielr Uncle George has said it was cause he wanted to make clear to children that Han had "no choice" but to shoot Greedo so Han wouldn't be the "bad guy" for shooting him.
George needs to stop assuming that only kids see Star Wars. And believe it or not, kids can be fine with antiheroes- I mean, look at Jack Sparrow for god's sake.
@1MN1 i never looked at Han as a "criminal" i guess, well not a violent one. More like a free lance thief. I always looked at this scene as if Han, knowing what these thugs are like (no mercy), and he won't back down. He's just protecting himself whether or not Greedo shot first, he knew in the end it was Greedo or himself. Only thing i dont like about this scene is that it seems like we missed a few frames before the shot was taken, it goes from Han talking shit, to smoke and flash immediately.
@1MN1 not so much as a criminal, moreso as a badass who isn't taking shit from some bounty hunter scum and who's trying to make sure he doesn't get smoked himself.lol
@1MN1 EXACTLY! It undermines his whole character as a dirty smuggler. Plus, there's the illogical notion of Greedo even shooting at all. If you listen to their conversation Greedo wouldn't have known to shoot because Han's reach for his blaster was done under the table. So how would Greedo have shot seconds before Han's shot? Greedo was so excited about capturing Han and getting his bounty from Jabba, he didn't even think of firing at that moment.
@1MN1 Lucas changed it because he wanted to show Han's character as more heroic than criminalistic. It's a ridiculous change, but that's life I suppose. It's his film, he can do what he wants.
@iNvictaStudios listen, i have ALL versions of star wars on VHS and DVD, i have been a HUGE star wars fan for almost all my life, i know i am right i also have the proof
"It's too late for that. You should have paid him when you had the chance. Jabba's put a price on your head so large, every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be after you. I'm lucky I found you first."
"If you give it to me, I might forget I found you."
"Jabba's through with you. He has no time for smugglers who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser."
"You can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship."
I can't believe how many people haven't seen this version.. Lucas is right, the special edition will be what people remember in the future :( Shame, this is how it should be
I like it better without the subtitles. You can still sense the ominous nature of the conversation. Of course today thinking is elitist and studios assume we're too stupid to appreciate subtlty.
And the irony is if Lucas didn't make the dumb change of Greedo shooting first (which ruined Han's character arc), I wouldn't have a problem getting the special editions of Star Wars.
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mielr 2 months ago
What I loved about Han Solo as a kid is that he didn't need a lightsaber or Force powers to kick some ass.
SnakeMan227 2 months ago
Greedo shot first. I was an excellent scene showcasing Hen's bad ass Jedi sills by being able to dodge the bullet. I don't know what this nonsense is, but it isn't Star Warts.
killswitch1982 2 months ago
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TheLifeOfaPsycho 2 months ago
NERD RAGE!!!
Anthony4Vtown 2 months ago
The old (original) films had a story. The new films are nothing but a really long audio/ video - test/ setup disc for your system...THX certified, of course. Or are they? Geez, I don't remember now if he even bothered with THX for the Blu-rays...of course, all that was getting annoying, at one point it almost seemed like every movie had the stupid THX logo.
1rammstein21 2 months ago
Press the CC button on the video tool-bar, select transcribe audio, watch in joy as YouTube trys to translate Greedo's language.
billtyfish 3 months ago
what i dont understand about the newer version is HOW THE FUCK DID GREEDO MISS when he shoots first?!! i mean han is like a foot away from him lol. greedo must be the worst bounty hunter ever or his big eyes are shit lol.
wolverinesclaws100 3 months ago
Why was this changed???? Lucas WTF???
jmxbox 3 months ago
Real shit Han hard
pinkzeppelin95 3 months ago
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I just want George Lucas to explain to me how a professional bounty hunter could miss at a range of about 5 feet, when he had a full minute to aim, and was aiming at a stationary target.
epa316 3 months ago
i had the original VHS - and han blasted greedo into orbit - no warning -. this should be left alone
DBNIGHT 3 months ago
han shot first but i have the post 97 vhs tape which has greedo shooting first
coolkid7500 3 months ago
NERD RAGE!!!! HAN SHOT FIRST AHAAHAHAHAHHAHA.
TheSeej1 3 months ago
han is a bad ass
ballabee123 3 months ago
so much more badass
JoshClements22 3 months ago
The funny thing is, I know some people from South East Asia who speak Greedo's language and sound like him.
andmaketherain 3 months ago
NO way. I had the old VHS tapes and definitely GREEDO shot first and Han dodged it
JAYZILL44 3 months ago
@JAYZILL44 Then the "old VHS tapes" you have are the '97 SEs (which were released on VHS). The original version is the one posted here.
mielr 3 months ago 4
@JAYZILL44 you know nothing pitiful mortal
MrHerecomethedrums 3 months ago
@MrHerecomethedrums yes Master...
JAYZILL44 3 months ago
i think greedos gun exploded when he tried to shoot, han doesnt even take his gun from under the table.
notroMcS 3 months ago
I saw this as a kid. Han shot first! AND!... Ben was smoking a hookah! Right after he saved him from the sand people. It has been removed (CGI or airbrush?). Why? Lucas so PC minded he doesn't think our society can no longer handle things he put in his first Star Wars. I'm not pro or against smoking. I just know what I remember.
ligtube1323 3 months ago
in the 1997 version greedo didnt even shoot, so han killed him. in the blu-ray edition greedo shot first but missed and han shot him.
TheGamerEvolved 3 months ago
@TheGamerEvolved No, in the '97 version, Greedo shoots first- which is why they made Han's head digitally dodge the bullet.
mielr 3 months ago
True fans dont need subtitles we learn the language
lukethegreat101 3 months ago
Lucas doesn't want you to forget the 1977 version. Far from it. He wants you to buy BOTH versions.
merrimac291 3 months ago
@merrimac291 Except that you CANT buy the 1977 version anymore! (the whole point of this upload).
mielr 3 months ago 4
@mielr
Can't buy it YET.
It's coming. At some point SOMEONE will make set with every single cut in existence. and charge an arm and a leg for it. And star wars fans will buy it.
RXdash78 3 months ago
Technically makes more sense, I mean, if Greedo shot first and missed at that range, that means he's the worst bounty hunter un the galaxy
Alexc3217 3 months ago
This scene really didn't need subtitles because it's not important what he's saying. Stupid George.
chevypillow247 3 months ago
Real and the only scene.
LordScolix 3 months ago
"Han shot first" refers to the two differing scenes in comparison to one another, not who did what in either particular take. In the original film, Han shot first, in the remade scene Greedo shot first. I understand this was to lend Solo a less scum-like personality, done with the younger consumer generation in mind, the change is the byproduct of an overly PC culture.
TheSuomynona1 3 months ago
haha Tim Kennedy sent me here
trickshotr 3 months ago
Lucas can go ahead and put out his abortions if he must, but for the love of GOD! just give us the Original Trilogy as well without any bull shit!
JJPoytress 3 months ago
AHHHHH GREDDO ISA WOMAN =OOOOOO
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It removes ALL the complexity of this character to have him not shoot first. If Han DIDN'T shoot first he probably would have been dead and a casualty of the Space Trade LONG ago. He's also being held at GUNPOINT. He is WELL within his rights to defend himself.
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Yapostadodat 3 months ago
@BobinatorLulz LOL! I hope you're being facetious.... otherwise, you're really clueless. ;-P
mielr 3 months ago 3
Wow i forgot the 1977 version didn't have subtitles. well that sucks since I don't know what greedo's SAYING!
Sarnius26 3 months ago
@Sarnius26 The 1977 version had subtitles. Please read the clip's description.
mielr 3 months ago
@mielr okay, that's very good to know.
Sarnius26 3 months ago
Han shot first! So how did they do the scene in lieu of this one?
KennyPalmer3 3 months ago
yeah, this part should have been left alone, but I'm afraid that ol' George Lucas has gone soft in his old age...pitty. That being said, I do like the new trilogy (I-III) as a seperate story.
1rammstein21 3 months ago
@1rammstein21 You should watch the Mr. Plinkett reviews of the new trilogy. They are each 70-90 minutes long and explain on a cinematic AND screenwriting level, why all three of those movies are terrible.
ZoltonBolshevik 3 months ago
That... was badass.
ultrafly100 3 months ago
Okay, in the original version, Han shot first. They then changed it because they wanted Han to be more "hero" like, so they made him shoot second, although when you watch it almost looks like they shoot at the same time (but you can tell Han shot second).
thatemoguyy5908x 3 months ago
For anyone who hasn't watched the parody on changing Raiders of the Lost Ark on South Park it's a must watch.
tubenachos 3 months ago
In the books they shoot at the same time but Greedo's a fucking ass terrible shot and just missed.
TheJayTrain 3 months ago
The main point is that, basically, George Lucas is a tool and an idiot.
maxymyllyon 3 months ago 14
@maxymyllyon Yeah, screw that guy! He didn't even direct the best Star Wars (Empire).
DII117 3 months ago
Lucas should have just made Greedo shoot himself.
rmwpnb 3 months ago
@rmwpnb Be VERY careful; I have a feeling if Lucas reads your comment that will be the turn out in the 3D version of A New Hope.
TheInstantClassic1 3 months ago
A fundamental of fiction is character growth. A character must change radically by the end of the story.
In the original scene Han shoots Greedo with little concern, a reflection of his criminal background and "out for himself" attitude.
By the end of the trilogy Han has become heroic, selfless and cares for other people: the conflict in the story has changed his character.
But if Greedo shoots first Han seems less bad, and his develoment less heroic.
Fiction 101, Mr. Lucas.
Recneps27 3 months ago
@Recneps27
Yes! Well put! I was thinking juuuust that.
Tsujanryo 3 months ago
Greedo never shot anything. He didn't know about Han's intentions. I love it when some say that Luc-ass did this it because they are his movies and can do anything he wants with them. Makes me realize he doesn't give a damn about the money he gained through the years thanks to the fans he turned his back to. Maybe he shouldn't even bothered showing the films at all in the first place.
Warpony9000 3 months ago
Either this version makes the most sense, or greedo has some poor-ass aim!! :D
lordazoroth 3 months ago
I hate this, I have the blueray and im watchin it and im like, WTF?!?!!?! Lucas made all of these new, NOT NEEDED things to star wars it sucks, I think they shud reease somthin where its like all of the original UNTOUCHED star wars original trilogy on dvd. That wud be SICK!!!!!
jbetsole 3 months ago
@jbetsole There are dvd collections of them which have untouched versions on the second disc. That's how mine is.
Problem is the back of the cover for the original trilogy mentions Anakin as being Darth Vader in the first sentence. Fortunately it was removable and I pealed it off before lending it out to people who hadn't seen it yet and they were surprised and liked that plot twist.
George Lucas's "always right" attitude now demands that it no longer be a plot twist though.
sonic8005 3 months ago
i knew it, Greedo never shot him
dethkid7 3 months ago
"Whoa! That got him!"
R2Parmly 3 months ago
No! Han is not Greedo's Father!
Hartifuil 4 months ago
I'm surprised Lucas hasn't re-edited 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' so the Cairo Swordsman has a bazooka.
jksonny 4 months ago
@jksonny "Raiders of the lost Ark" was directed by Spielberg, not Lucas...
mrlegomandudesir 3 months ago
@mrlegomandudesir Yes. I know. But Lucas produced 'Raiders,' just as he did ESB and ROTJ, which he also changed around.
jksonny 3 months ago
"Han shot first" is a misnomer. "Han shot" is more accurate.
TheChazMan66 4 months ago 30
@TheChazMan66 I actually noticed that myself.
But look at it this way: 1977 Han Shot Greedo. All the subsequent times, Greedo was the one to fire. So if we look at it in the sense that the original version came out first, this is what originally happened, then technically Han did shoot first.
TheOneartist 4 months ago
@TheChazMan66 I actually noticed that myself.
But look at it this way: 1977 Han Shot Greedo. All the subsequent times, Greedo was the one to fire. So if we look at it in the sense that the original version came out first, this is what originally happened, then technically Han did shoot first.
TheOneartist 4 months ago
@TheChazMan66 Read the description.
Inaccurate or not, "Han Shot First" has become a meme. No goin' back now.
mielr 3 months ago
Thank god I bought the VHS trilogy :D
garzilla3dx 4 months ago
@garzilla3dx It's on DVD, you know. They were later included as bonus discs using the laserdisc as a source. Not remastered, but at least it's much better than the VHS.
TheOneartist 4 months ago
@TheOneartist I'll have to look into that. Thanks!
garzilla3dx 4 months ago
@garzilla3dx You're welcome.
If you're good with torrenting, I recommend looking for the Dark Jedi v3 version. I haven't grabbed it yet, but from what I've read it's the best the original films have looked. It uses the bonus discs as a source, but apparently fixes the colours and a bunch of other things, makes it look good on widescreen, and also includes surround sound.
I've read if you watch the official bonus discs on a widescreen TV, you get black bars on both sides. It's non-anamorphic.
TheOneartist 4 months ago
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@garzilla3dx You're welcome.
If you're good with torrenting, I recommend looking for the Dark Jedi v3 version. I haven't grabbed it yet, but from what I've read it's the best the original films have looked. It uses the bonus discs as a source, but apparently fixes the colours and a bunch of other things, makes it look good on widescreen, and also includes surround sound.
I've read if you watch the official bonus discs on a widescreen TV, you get black bars on both sides. It's non-anamorphic.
TheOneartist 4 months ago
the best version in my opinion
Alzerak 4 months ago in playlist Star Wars
Han didn't shoot "first". To do that would suggest someone shot second. Han is the ONLY one to shoot.
ledawg1138 4 months ago
If a guy points a gun at you, I think it's okay to shoot first. To be honest, when I saw the 97 version, it had been so long that I saw Star Wars that I never noticed the change of Greedo shooting first until someone pointed it out. Plus the new version happens so fast that I barely noticed Greedo shooting first in the special editions.
DKrules9 4 months ago
How I view it is Greedo shooting first is a very pointless change. George says he made the change because it makes Solo a better character by shooting in self defense. It doesnt really matter because we still see Han drawing his blaster from underneath the table which implies he was going to shoot Greedo anyway. Also Lucas having both shoot at nearly the same time on the 2004 DVD and the Blu-Ray in my opinion gives the whole thing even less sense.
crissrudd4554 4 months ago
I guess George Lucas has a little too much free time
redetrigan 4 months ago
@mielr Yeah if you don't buy them then it's a choice your making, personally I already own copies of all the originals so there's no need for me to buy blurays, but it doesn't mean I'm boycotting them. By boycotting them you are whining on youtube trying to make other people see things your way. I mean who cares it's a freaking movie. It's not a way of life, RELAX the world hasn't ended because Lucas changed one little things. it's his movies big deal
TangSoo11 4 months ago
@TangSoo11 So, then explain to me why you're here, exactly? Don't you have anything better to do than telling people "it's just a movie"? Why don't you spend your time doing something you care about, instead of instructing other people what to do?
mielr 4 months ago
Not only did Han shoot first but his shot killed Greedo before he was ever able to shoot at all.
justaloe 4 months ago
I've only ever seen the version where Han shoots first, didn't even know it was changed. I own the original VHS's
gecko11130 4 months ago
Oh My God, who the HELL CARES???
- Peter Griffin -
Apollon0817 4 months ago
Boycott the Blu Ray, only about this and Vaders Second "Noooooo"? Whats up with you, Guys?
HyperKnoedelDoedel 4 months ago
I just noticed something funny about the HD version. If you slow it down to frame by frame playback, Han Shoots TWICE. The new edit shows Greedo shoot and the shot reflects upward while Han a fraction of a second later shoots at Greedo,it appears from this angle that Han's shot hits Greedo. Then just before the scene change, another bolt fires from Han's gun, then the scene transitions and it show the explosion and Greedo falls over. So now it took 2 shots to kill Greedo?
Poem58Google 4 months ago
Han shooting first was kinda, sorta the point. Han WAS a mercenary smuggler, looking out for his own profit. He then met Luke and Leia and BECAME a better man. It's a much better story.
FYI - If released I would buy DVDs of the original, UNEDITED versions of New Hope, Empire, and Return of the Jedi.
P.S. If George wants to edit let him do so on Phantom, Attack of the Clones, and Revenge of the Sith. THOSE are the movies that could stand some improvement.
sleepybrownbear 4 months ago
@sleepybrownbear They're already on DVD. The thing that sucks is that they're non-anamorphic and are sourced from the laserdisc. Not remastered. But still much better than the VHS. They were released as bonus discs in 2006.
TheOneartist 4 months ago
Thank you for posting this! I also miss the "Jabba is a jolly fat man" ruse. :(
StormLogic 4 months ago
Han: "FIRST!"
jp3813 4 months ago 17
I shot first
DanielSmith604 4 months ago
Was this from the 2006 version with the original version as an extra?
reobeem 4 months ago
The problem with the Han Solo character is he grew into a hero over the years. Yet when he was first introduced he was a scoundrel. It was a redemption story that Lucas destroyed by revising the original. In fact, by shooting second, it's ruins the whole redemption angle. Plus it's laughable to think Greedo would miss from a few feet away.
scott91575 4 months ago
sick sick SICK. That's all I have to say for this original scene. I'm watching all the movies in chronological order again, and I've stopped in the middle of A New Hope just to look this up. Thank god for youtube.
skyisfelling 4 months ago
I saw the words han shot first on my minecraft loader and I googled it.
Qillstack 4 months ago
It just flows better this way.
grimus84 4 months ago
Most obviously he did.
usuqamadiq 4 months ago
nope, Greedo shot first.
icy1007 4 months ago
Is that true that it was changed due to MPAA ratings thing?
artman40 4 months ago
i know what greedo said without subtitles. who's with me?
lukimahle 4 months ago 2
Message for George Lucas. NOBODY wants Greedo shooting First.
Think about it George, Heroes Shoot FIRST, ask questions Later.
jacobyne 4 months ago
It's not about who shot first. It's about who SHOT! Well, Greedo didn't... ;)
deThadeuz 4 months ago
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240 p we meet again at last
ChuckNoarus 4 months ago
240p we meet again at last
ChuckNoarus 4 months ago
George changed it because it's a kiddywinks film. Even though they f**cking slaughter 50 kiddywinks in revenge of the sith. George you are a twat
RobJohns73 4 months ago
As has been noted elsewhere, this whole Han shot first fiasco is moot as Han was the olny one who shot. Han shot, Greedo fried. End of story.
richardathome65 4 months ago
Supposedly they changed it because they didn't want viewers to think Han Solo was a cold-hearted killer, but Han was totally justified to shoot first. He says, "Over my dead body" and then Greedo says "That's the idea, I've been waiting for this for a long time."
From that line of dialogue, Greedo was intending on killing Han right then and there. Han shot in self-defense, it wasn't murder at all.
Felamine 4 months ago
Han didn't shoot first, he was the only one who shot.
xammas1245 4 months ago 6
Boo frickin hoo
frontierdriver 4 months ago
Boo frickin hoo
frontierdriver 4 months ago
The change was just downright horrible. I saw some people even coming up with the edited scene as an evidence for "Han Solo's force-sensitivity." It was a stupid argument that Han Solo could avoid Greedo's blaster at so close the range because he was also force-sensitive. Yet what is more stupid is that Lucas edited this wonderful scene almost for no rational reason. A stupid decision results in a shitty scene, and a shitty scene results in block-headed fans.
Hierophant345 4 months ago
38 people prefer Greedo shoot first!
AMOVIEGUY14 4 months ago
HAN SHOT FIRST PEOPLE! WHOEVER THINKS DIFFERENTLY IS WEIRD! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN SHOT FIRST! HAN! HAN! HAN! HAN!
157grover 4 months ago
Funny Han always shots first look at Empire and how he shots Vader as the door opens. "Shot and ask questions later" !
Q80Warlock 4 months ago
Biggest problem with the 97 release: How the hell does a bounty hunter miss a pretty much point blank shot?
grovestand 4 months ago
but han didnt shoot first is was just a quick edit in the video and besides greedo missed in the original
IchigoKuruosaki 4 months ago
@IchigoKuruosaki In the original Greedo didn't even shoot...he was dead. Some of us know what we're talking about.
BladeStrike 4 months ago
Han SHOOTS FIRST because...you shoot first, ask questions later (you don't shoot ONLY and ask questions later). ;-)
mielr 4 months ago 23
@danfinnis I believe 1997.
TLay310 4 months ago
you know, I never actually saw the original version it shames me to say. I saw the 97, which wasn't too bad. The original version is a lot better.
Chefodeath 4 months ago
all lucas did was make greedo look like a shitbag for missing at so close range
EternalCrappyKid 4 months ago 5
am i the only one that understood greedo without the subtitles?
auksanamun 4 months ago
@auksanamun Yep .__.
KawaiiiPandah 4 months ago
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Like a fucking boss HAN ALWAYS SHOOTS FIRST
KillaD15 4 months ago
No, it's like this:
1977: Han shoots, Greedo doesn't get to shoot.
1997: Greedo shoots, then Han shoots after ducking his head
2004: Greedo shoots a split second before Han, but basically at the same time.
2011: 2004 version with some frames lopped off to make the shot shorter and "tighter"
1990osu 4 months ago
Here's what I don't get now that I've read the Han Solo trilogy books. I used to agree with the change being bad, but after reading the books I think it makes more sense if Greedo shoots first. Han Solo NEVER shot first in all 3 books, and tried at all times to avoid taking a life. The only time he kills people is when they start it,and the book makes it a point to emphasize this several times.
TLay310 4 months ago
@TLay310 The guy has a gun pointed at his face, why wouldn't he shoot first?
1Scattered 4 months ago
@TLay310 When did the books come out?
danfinnis 4 months ago
U know I was getting ready to get rid of my old star wars movies on VHS with all the original scenes but now after seeing all they have cut out now I'm keeping them forever I will be buried with them loljk
yamel91 4 months ago
1977 - Han Shot First
1997 - Greedo Shot First
2004 - Greedo Shot First
2011 - They shoot at the same time
ChuckNoarus 4 months ago
Any idea WHY it was changed? This version seems to reflect Han's character as a criminal better. It has more impact.
1MN1 4 months ago 50
@1MN1 Good question. Ask Uncle George...
mielr 4 months ago 8
@mielr Uncle George has said it was cause he wanted to make clear to children that Han had "no choice" but to shoot Greedo so Han wouldn't be the "bad guy" for shooting him.
PgDn3Up 4 months ago 7
@PgDn3Up I know, believe me. I've heard ALL the justifications over the past 14 years. :-/
mielr 4 months ago 4
@mielr
and it still hurts huh?
henkman00 4 months ago
@PgDn3Up When I was a kid I had no doubts that Greedo was about to kill Han/Han's life was in danger.
Cyzthur 4 months ago
@PgDn3Up
George needs to stop assuming that only kids see Star Wars. And believe it or not, kids can be fine with antiheroes- I mean, look at Jack Sparrow for god's sake.
chinchychilla 4 months ago
@1MN1 That's the 'problem'. Lucas decided that a pre-emptive shooting would said an immoral message to the kids.
SkullOfYorick 4 months ago
@1MN1 i never looked at Han as a "criminal" i guess, well not a violent one. More like a free lance thief. I always looked at this scene as if Han, knowing what these thugs are like (no mercy), and he won't back down. He's just protecting himself whether or not Greedo shot first, he knew in the end it was Greedo or himself. Only thing i dont like about this scene is that it seems like we missed a few frames before the shot was taken, it goes from Han talking shit, to smoke and flash immediately.
mikemyerz666 4 months ago
@1MN1 not so much as a criminal, moreso as a badass who isn't taking shit from some bounty hunter scum and who's trying to make sure he doesn't get smoked himself.lol
codebabe 4 months ago
@1MN1 EXACTLY! It undermines his whole character as a dirty smuggler. Plus, there's the illogical notion of Greedo even shooting at all. If you listen to their conversation Greedo wouldn't have known to shoot because Han's reach for his blaster was done under the table. So how would Greedo have shot seconds before Han's shot? Greedo was so excited about capturing Han and getting his bounty from Jabba, he didn't even think of firing at that moment.
Madman007 3 months ago
@1MN1 Lucas changed it because he wanted to show Han's character as more heroic than criminalistic. It's a ridiculous change, but that's life I suppose. It's his film, he can do what he wants.
hershorn 3 months ago
@1MN1 to he not look like the bad guy who kills
S4suke1028 3 months ago
i said Han shot first FIRST
LekkerBewegen 4 months ago
This must have been some kind of "hommage" to Sergio Leone's The Good The Bad and the Ugly no?
kantil17 4 months ago 4
@kantil17 It's an homage to some western- which one I don't know. Maybe just the genre in general.
mielr 4 months ago
@kantil17 Yes it was. The guy he shot tried to draw but Sergio Leone's gun was already out.
DudeFromEndor 4 months ago
Thanks Lucas. You've ruined Greedo's reputation- he's now the worst shot in the Galaxy.
When Greedo fires at Han it looks sooooo stupid. The frame is frozen except for some computerized laser blasts.
aeopmusic 4 months ago
Han shot first
then, now, and forever
Peter1999 4 months ago
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@Itsnameisgundam "it's still a "version" of it seeing as there are different versions of this movie..."
- NO, it is not ! What is the word for the first of something ? ORIGINAL What is the word for a later interpretation of that first thing ? VERSION
- The appearance of versions does not make the original one of them !
nordhorny 4 months ago
mielr - in your subtitle "This is the 1977 version that George Lucas would like you to forget!"
- can you see anything wrong with that ?
nordhorny 4 months ago
@nordhorny What's wrong with it?
AdamKennethDean 4 months ago
@nordhorny "This is the 1977 version that George Lucas would like you to forget!"
...As the 1977 scene is the first one that appeared in the film, this is the original, not a version.
nordhorny 4 months ago
@nordhorny it's still a "version" of it seeing as there are different versions of this movie...
Itsnameisgundam 4 months ago
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@Itsnameisgundam "it's still a "version" of it seeing as there are different versions of this movie..."
- NO, it is not ! What is the word for the first of something ? ORIGINAL What is the word for a later interpretation of that first thing ? VERSION
- The appearance of versions does not make the original one of them !
nordhorny 4 months ago
@nordhorny Is that a trick question? Did I misspell something?
mielr 4 months ago 2
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@mielr "Is that a trick question? Did I misspell something?"
- what does this refer to ? Have you just noticed my first comment that said ""This is the 1977 version that George Lucas would like you to forget!"
- can you see anything wrong with that ?
(this seems likely and you have forgotten that we have already exchanged views about it - remember original/version ?)
nordhorny 4 months ago
Greedo's dialogue is missing on screen. which version is this from?
MisterTimewarp 4 months ago
@MisterTimewarp Yes, I explained why the dialogue is missing in the clips's description at the top of the page.
mielr 4 months ago
1977 - Han Shot First
1997 - Greedo Shot First
2004 - Greedo Shot First
2011 - Greedo Shot First
No Matter How Many Times Greedo Shoots First, Han Shot "FIRST"
Username5698 4 months ago 128
@Username5698
HAN SHOT FIRST. I Grew up with the '97 VHS Tapes, and I always think Han shot first.
iNvictaStudios 4 months ago
@iNvictaStudios listen, i have ALL versions of star wars on VHS and DVD, i have been a HUGE star wars fan for almost all my life, i know i am right i also have the proof
Username5698 4 months ago
@Username5698
Okay, I believe you. I saw the original version. I Believe you.
iNvictaStudios 4 months ago
@Username5698 im quoting you haha
miguelanimal 4 months ago
@Username5698 Someone needs to make a bunch of t-shirts with that on them.
bethiemw 4 months ago in playlist Sci-Fiesque
"That's the idea. I've been looking forward to this for a long time."
johnnythefootymaniac 4 months ago
Here's what Greedo says: "Going somewhere, Solo?"
"It's too late for that. You should have paid him when you had the chance. Jabba's put a price on your head so large, every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be after you. I'm lucky I found you first."
"If you give it to me, I might forget I found you."
"Jabba's through with you. He has no time for smugglers who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser."
"You can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship."
johnnythefootymaniac 4 months ago
thanks for putting the comments back on mielr
johnnythefootymaniac 4 months ago
I can't believe how many people haven't seen this version.. Lucas is right, the special edition will be what people remember in the future :( Shame, this is how it should be
ClifftonBeach 4 months ago
Han didn't shoot first. Greedo never shot at all.
7thwheel 4 months ago
Ouch!
BlackOpsZombies247 4 months ago
nice, much more of a badass shooting first
EnterSandman57d 4 months ago
I like it better without the subtitles. You can still sense the ominous nature of the conversation. Of course today thinking is elitist and studios assume we're too stupid to appreciate subtlty.
aseriousman91 4 months ago
This is what makes Han a real space cowboy! Shoot first ask questions later.....
TPBXDRicky420 4 months ago
Its actually way more tense without the subtitles :D
Han Solo is the original BAMF.
DanimalCollective 4 months ago
And the irony is if Lucas didn't make the dumb change of Greedo shooting first (which ruined Han's character arc), I wouldn't have a problem getting the special editions of Star Wars.
SawThatComingAgain 4 months ago
Funniest part is that Greedo was played by a chick. In high heels.
SoulfulBrutha5805 4 months ago