Channel 4 American Football Credits 1988 - This is the Time by Billy Joel

[radio53]

I'm a Raider fan so maybe this doesn't count but Bradshaw was a great QB and that's that.

Oh it hurt to write that! hehe

[radio53]

Snake to Casper, Ghost to the post!

Kenny for the HOF!

[kikoraven]

i remember my older brother and i saw this on tv! makes one to really appreciate football! :)

[allaboutquarterbacks]

bradshaw is way overated

[Bigbadben7]

@allaboutquarterbacks LOL!

Bradshaw, 1978 NFL MVP, SB XIII MVP, SB XIV MVP, 1977 Team MVP, 1978 Team MVP, Only QB with 300 yds in consecutive SB games, 3,833 yds and 30 TDs in the post season, 14-5 Post Season,

Threw a 4th quarter TD pass in in all 4 SBs Won 2 SBs in the era that favored the Defense and 2 that favored the Offense.

Only QB to win 4 SBs in 6 years, only QB to win back to back SBs twice.

NFL Films names his SB X 64 yd TD pass the best ever TD pass and his 73 yarder in SB XIV top 5

[AllPro777]

@Bigbadben7

Kurt Warner threw for over 300 yards in all of his SB games, including setting the record for most passing yards in SB 34. Kurt Warner is the Super Bowl's all-time leading passer.

I loved Terry Bradshaw, but I still feel that had he been stuck on a lesser team (i.e. no HOF offensive line, no HOF defense) he would've been out of the league quickly. His football IQ was low. Any mediocre QB of his time could've had the same success with that amazing team surrounding him.

[Bigbadben7]

@AllPro777 His football IQ was Low? He called his own plays Dumb Ass!

He wasn't the robot Warner was who just did what the Coordinator said.

Terry called both running and pass plays in the huddle not just at the line when need be.

Every great QB has a quality team around them and Terry was a first ballot HOF inductee. Another first ballot HOF inductee Jack Ham said if it weren't for Bradshaw he wouldn't have 4 rings.

[AllPro777]

@Bigbadben7

Was it necessary to insult me for no reason? You're clearly an immature child, please grow up. Football IQ is not just about calling plays, it's also about being able to read and react to coverages consistently. His stats show that he was never great at reading coverages, and he himself admitted to such post career. 212 TD, 210 INTs. Do the math. Also, no, Bradshaw has 4 rings because of Jack Ham, Lambert, Greene and the rest. That team could've won without Bradshaw.

[Bigbadben7]

@AllPro777 Please explain how a team can win without a guy who is the SB MVP twice, the NFL MVP once and the team MVP twice?

Here are some quotes from Steel curtain All Pros "If it weren't for Terry Bradshaw I wouldn't have 4 SB rings" HOF LB Jack Ham.

" You can name all the greats but Terry was one of the best to ever come down the pike" HOF CB Mel Blount

"He was right when Terry said "You can lose with m e but you'll never win without Me" All Pro De Dwight White

[AllPro777]

@Bigbadben7

As I said before, when you're on a team with HOF talent on both sides of the ball (with the defense being the more talented of the two sides) you can win without a great QB. It's been done many times. Look at the '85 Bears. Look at the 2000 Ravens. You think nobody besides McMahon or Dilfer would've been successful on those teams? When Terry's pick came is irrelevant since we can point to QB's who had with lesser talent and threw fewer. Again, Football IQ isn't just calling plays.

[Bigbadben7]

@AllPro777 Another question.Was McMahon or Dilfer ever an NFL MVP? How about a SB MVP? How bout a 2 time SB MVP, how bout even a team MVP, how bout a 2 time team MVP?

There play was no where near the quality of Terry's and neither of them will ever be in the HOF. the fact that you would draw a parallel between two average QBs and a NFL MVP, 2 time SB MVP, 2 time team MVP, 4 time Champ and first ballot HOF inductee shows how limited you really are!

[AllPro777]

@Bigbadben7

I'm not limited at all, but you're limited to insults and inability to grasp simple concepts. How old are you? This is really simple to understand. Pay attention sport... as I clearly stated, by mentioning McMahon and Dilfer, neither of which were on Bradshaw's level (when did I say they were? Never), it shows that a great team can win even when they don't have a great QB. But again, you get defensive and go into Bradshaw's accomplishments because you don't understand the point.

[Bigbadben7]

@AllPro777 I never said Terry didn't benefit from the Steel Curtain but just as other QBs benefited from great defenses they only won 1 SB and not 4. I don't care how good a Defense is they can be give the the load of the credit for 4 SB winning seasons in a 6 year span.

This entire debate goes back to someone other than you and me claiming that Bradshaw was way overrated. I didn't say he was the best ever i said he's not overrated, he was essential and indispensable to what was accomplished.

[Bigbadben7]

@Bigbadben7 I meant a D CAN"T be given credit for 4 rings, especially when you look at some of the big plays Terry had to make when that D got tired.

Terry is probably somewhere in between his underrated and overrated status. That is not as good as I believe but better than you believe.

[Bigbadben7]

@AllPro777 As for the IQ calling your own plays in the huddle makes the O coordinator. Would you say it is possible for a Offensive Coordinator to have a low football IQ? As I said he read the Flex Dallas D which was the most complex of the 70s, to Cliff Harris' surprise, just fine every time they played from Jan 76 to Sept 82 where Terry went 5-0 vs them.

[AllPro777]

@Bigbadben7

Let's not kid ourselves here. The Steelers dynasty was defensively driven with a strong running game. It wasn't like Terry had to exactly be Don Coryell in terms of calling plays, lol. It was a very simplistic system, in fact the Steelers have always run a simplistic offensive system built around the run.

[Bigbadben7]

@AllPro777 00 Ravens 85 Bears, how many SBs did Dilfer/McMahon win? 1 a piece. Terry won 4 and back to back twice. No comparison. You mentioned the run, Terry was calling the running plays in the huddle as well. Plus his TDs were often times deadly accurate. The Dallas Flex was complex and Terry picked it apart 5 times.

78/79 the O was 60 % pass and 40 % run. Plus 70-77 Terry played vs old rules where chuckin a WR past 5 yds was legal and O linemen couldn't extend arms or open hands to protect.

[AllPro777]

@Bigbadben7

And to call Kurt Warner a robot proves what? Nothing. Kurt went out there and lit it up in an offense that other QB's failed in, took 2 dead franchises to the Super Bowl, won NFL MVP twice, was the QB in 3 of the greatest Super Bowls of all-time, and became the Super Bowl's all-time leading passer in just 3 games. But this is not about Warner Vs. Bradshaw. All I was doing was pointing out that Bradshaw wasn't the only QB to post 300 yard games in a series of Super Bowls.

[Bigbadben7]

@AllPro777 Terry is still the only QB to post 300 yd games in consecutive "SB GAMES". Meaning XIII and XIV were actual back to back SB games. I didn't say consecutive SBs for the individual QB. Warner's were XXXIV(34) XXXVI (36) and XLIII(43) but those are not consecutive games for the Super Bowl just consecutive games for Warner. You misunderstood my point on consecutive SB games. Many QBs have played in back to back SBs and not threw for 300 in both of them.

[AllPro777]

@Bigbadben7

I didn't really misunderstand it, because--as you just pointed out--there are two ways to look at it (individual or by year) and I looked at by individual, it just so happens that you set it as the other criteria which there would've been no way for me to be sure of.

[Bigbadben7]

@AllPro777 I listed it the way the record book does as only QB to pass for 300 yds in consecutive games. I'm aware of Warner's greatness and he could very easily have been 3-0 is SBs. He's no less of a QB because he didn't call his own plays I was just commenting on you saying Bradshaw had a low football IQ. 46 of his ints came his first 2 years with no talent and being thrown to the wolves. Cliff Harris said Terry was the only QB who was always able to read the Dallas Doomsday Flex D.