Thomas Paine - not christian. then you say (quote) John Adams was a Christian?? didnt you look? you just spit out what ever you think when you should find out what the truth is, I hope you find the truth. check the link so you can see for your self
@DavidWilliamson1982 u make no sence. u have been blocked by me no need for me to reply to your meanless words. I hope you will find jesus as your savoir.
John Adams was a Christian, but Thomas Jefferson certainly wasn't. No self-respecting historian would claim to believe something so preposterous.
"In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
@DavidWilliamson1982 , you need to move back to the middle east, Iraq or where ever and get a new look at what you have here, maybe then you would stand for the home you have, diamonds from dunghills, so the christians are the diamonds and those that are not are dung? and you arent a christian? so were does this place you amoung the people that are not diamonds? if you dont like america you need to go back home Im sure they will receive you wilth open arms and probably a AK47
Look up the French revolution, and you'll see what many of the enlightenment intellectuals thought of the Christian church (not to mention the Gregorian calendar)
Look up the Bosnian genocide, and you'll see where your religious bigotry leads people.
Everyone deserves the same treatment you get. You can worship how you want, so can they. This is a free land.
@DavidWilliamson1982 you have a computer and you can find this info as I can. read this its in parts, 1 Our forefathers' strong faith in God and their personal sacrifice were the pillars upon which our republic was founded. To allow our Christian heritage to be hidden or removed from the halls of history would be a mockery of their faith in Almighty God. As stated by George Washington, the father of our nation, "
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt2 The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations."
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 3 Washington referred to himself frequently using the words “ardent,” “fervent,” “pious,” and “devout.” There are over one hundred different prayers composed and written by Washington in his own hand, with his own words, in his writings. He described himself as one of the deepest men of faith of his day when he confessed to a clergyman,
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 4 “No Man has a more perfect Reliance on the alwise, and powerful dispensations of the Supreme Being than I have nor thinks his aid more necessary
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 5 Rather than avoid the word “God,” on the very first national Thanksgiving under the U.S. Constitution, he said, “It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor.” Although he never once used the word “Deist” in his voluminous writings, he often mentioned religion,
@DavidWilliamson1982 you need to look this all up before you speak of myths and wise tails, i will look the rest of the listed folks and get back with ya
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 1 how can you say such a thing, I looked this up real easy for you, Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 2 I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech
@danapainterman And I quote "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions,
I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever. I dont know what you are reading, french?? Im talking america Gods speed
america was founded on biblical thruths, were did this come from,O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States,
@danapainterman pt 2, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father,
@danapainterman pt 3, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!
@danapainterman pt 3 Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent,
@danapainterman Pt 4, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.
Amen.
Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
tell me where this came from and what God was this in refrence to, muslum? catholic? MORMAN?
However, I would not burn a bible to prove my point to you.
I think we should cherish all our historical literature, and consider all views, all i would do is tell you, the victim of the religion, that the religion is false. I would also suggest you join me in the SEARCH for truth. Get it?
We don't have to pay military contractors to blow up poor people. We would get more safety for our money by feeding people. That's self-evident to anyone who "stops and thinks" about what we're dealing with.
@DavidWilliamson1982 this country has allowed other to enjoy our freedoms that we died for, our founding fathers never intended that we should allow other to come here for other religious freedoms other than to serve God as defined by the holy Bible, muslums have a faith thats inherinatly voilent, How come our callender says its 2010? why not 6001 or so, surely weve been here longer than 2010 years, why did everyone change there callenders to reflect the current 2010 we have today,
@danapainterman The founding fathers were members of the "enlightenment." This was a period in history when the traditional sources of authority (nobility and churches) were challenged and replaced by reason.
The whole idea that anyone living here can believe what they want to believe without pressure from the state is rooted in this REJECTION OF RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY.
This is not to say that the society wasn't predominately Christian. I'm not saying that there weren't -
- I'm not saying that there weren't protestants, and catholics present at the constitutional congress.
What I am saying is that the intentions of the ARCHITECTS of the constitution revolved around L - I - B - E - R - T - Y.
This goes hand in hand with something called capitalism, which says that: If you have the money to build a mosque, there's nothing the state - or anyone in the state - can do about it.
That's freedom, and that's why freedom is rare - because it scares people like you.
@DavidWilliamson1982 no the british were throw out, the idea wasnt for everyone how beleived what they wanted this country was founded and rooted on biblical principles and are laws and goverment stand as proof, its been that way along time its only recent that pagan religions have slipped in and taken advantage of OUR rights and used/or useing them against us, dont be fooled we usually wait till the last minute, but when we wake up to this threat watch out, sleeping giant
@danapainterman Yes, the root causes of the American revolution were primarily economic. The taxes from England were equivalent to a shakedown.
It's interesting to note that the problem was with the English parliament. Benjamin Franklin even saw the King as an ally in the early days, since the King was also at odds with the parliament.
But the events that gave rise to the Magna Carta, and the French revolution were also involved in the nations founding.
The central motivation for rejecting religious authority was due to how it related to power. In the early days, your place in society was determined by your birth. The members of the enlightenment thought that was wrong. They believed in meritocracy, the idea that your place in society should be determined by your contribution to society.
And it's also true that that moral judgement is expressed in Luke 6:44. It's also common sense.
So... If the church upheld "divine mandate", and supported the caste mentality, that meant that the cozy relationship religion had with political power was a threat to meritocracy.
The other reason for rejecting the church/state unity was the restrictions that it placed on science. For instance, the church fought against the propagation of the heliocentric solar system.
If we are going to advance in understanding, we have to accept things as they are, not just how we want them to be.
None of this is to say that Christianity was not influential in the nations laws, but so were the Iroquois, and so were the ancient Greeks.
I also want to make clear that it's religious freedom that allows you to believe as you do, without fear of persecution. I don't want you to be persecuted by Muslims, or Pegans, or Atheists, or anyone.
I don't think you are threatened. I think that societies change, just like everything else. That's not a threat, it's just the nature of the thing.
@DavidWilliamson1982 what happened 2010 years ago that everyone would change the date to 0001? everyone changed there dates to reflect this new year? why
@danapainterman Our calendar was instituted long ago, in 525 A.D. (Anno Domini, or "in the year of our lord"), but this system wasn't widely used until 800 A.D. It was instituted under the watch of Pope Gregory XIII.
Popes are kind of like really important preachers that used to rule along side the nobility. They belong to what's known as the catholic church.
You would have loved the catholics. They heard stuff they disagreed with and burned the PEOPLE.
What was this pastors point? why did he do this? what message was he trying to get across to the american people by burning the koran? that he felt he had to do this in order to get the americans attention? its not what he did its why? I have seen no news team do a report on what going on in other countrys. France is closeing its borders along with others, why? Im sorry but muslums are not welcome with this beleif system, it didnt work in there country and its not here!
@DavidWilliamson1982 religion is false?? then why worry what people think? he who says there is no God the truth doesnt abide in them, they reject the truth for a lie, they were not concidering a veiw they were trusting in the only GOD the GOD of the bible, stay focused.
In fact the first amendment in the bill of rights was put in place specifically to prevent any one religion from gaining too much power.
You say islam wants to swallow the world. That's true, and it should be stopped - nonviolently. Violence never solves shit, it just perpetuates itself. It's a shame that people are too stupid to realize that.
Christianity, likewise, is trying to swallow the world and should be stopped. It's identical to islam in this respect, and frankly disgusting.
Number two, you seem to think that the US was founded on Christian principles, but this is not true explicitly. In fact, what you had were men of intellect setting up a constitution in a secret meeting which was later brought out to the public.
As I said, the men had no single religion. You think they believed in the christian god, and I have no doubts that many if not most of them did, but others did not.
Thomas Jefferson hated Christianity. George Washington refused to pray.
So for instance, if I saw you burning a koran, that's perfectly legal. The government doesn't have a say in whether you can, but I can express my disapproval. Essentially, you're disapproving of something which isn't hurting you directly.
It's basically what you were told to take offence to. It's sad that you let Fox news and corporate-america distract you from their very real infringements on your rights. It's sad that you don't understand the importance/rarity of your freedoms.
why would muslums leave there beloved country to come and live in the USA with us swine, pagan people lost to God, I take great pride in our country and its heritage I dont care to see a people leave a voilent country and bring it hear all the while infultrating state and local goverment to provide a better foot stool for the muslum faith as seen in other countrys
Im unable to discern whos a good muslum or a bad muslum, a good koran and a bad koran, I see muslums comeing to other countrys leaving there home land? why? as christians are known by there fruits I use this very same method to try to decern the muslum faith and its followers, it appears we have a great devide among the muslums, deadly exstreams from a peaceful people to a terrorist people, why have the muslums decided to move from home to the USA? are the muslums not terrorized by there own peo
americans are not sayiong much now and it makes me wonder, As I gave it alot of thought before posting my opinion on this issue, all the people Ive talked to in doctors office and around town are angry as hell about this 911 mosgue and muslums in general, the mormans have a beautifull sounding religion, but when you look deeper they have many wives, jesus is satans brother and blacks were banded to join, they rewrote there bible to fix this error, im doing alot of research on muslums and origins
it concerns me about Obama, hes 50% muslum by his father, he has christ covered up in his speeches, didnt put his hand on the bible when he took office woulnt wear a flag on his shirt, as far as I know this has never happened, the you americans were hood winked by his speeches, he has our goverment devided, every where I go people are buying guns and ammo, it makes me wonder if there already something going on I dont know about. putting mosgue at 911 will encite americans I think
this mosgue on 911 is an out rage, muslums pushing there luck, yes 70 muslums died at 911 they were killed by there own people just as they do now in there own country, every time I see muslums at home they all got guns and burning our bible & flag, there home land is destroyed from warring all the time, streets are dirt, mud huts and no paint no wonder muslums want to come to america to live, you have to always remmber we were here first, and we already see them pushing themsleve on everyone
I am 3th generation american, my father WII and grandfather goes to civil war, Im sorry for the muslums at home and in america, americans will not be so nice when the sleeping giant is awakened, as in pearl harbor we didnt want much to do with this war but when we did get in it was all the way. muslums need to understand when we fought again japan we locked up american japaness here, no it wasnt right, but we had to close the back door, your other half threatens you here, americans are angry
I didnt censor any of your comments?? I uncensored them I have no idea how they got censored? but I can say your replys are repetitive and vaige, get to the point
Number one, there are violent people all over the place. some happen to be muslim, some happen to be christian. People like you are proof that christians are no better. As for the mosque, I don't care where they build it. All religions are parasitic, including christianity, but it's not the place of the state to guard the people from a religions idea.
This country was founded on the idea that people shouldn't use force to control eachother.
they burn our bible and flag and we are told not to respond to this insult, a person trys to burn the koran and the muslum people get back up all the way to the presidents office, we react in fear why??they want to place there mosque at ground zero this also is a slap in our face, our president is 50% muslum his father and no one seems to bring or talk about this either, the muslum faith is voilent as we see in everday life in there country, why bring it here to the USA, Obama will be voted out!
Religions are an instrument used by the ruling class, for the purposes of controlling the ruled. Anyone claiming that there is an all-powerful person that they speak for, is claiming divine mandate.
In a free society, neither the ruling minority, nor the majority have any right to silence or hinder the freedom of thought of an individual.
It is this freedom that has allowed science to advance, giving us things like computers and YouTube.
People aren't "good" or "bad", we're in it together.
when you allow a faith set on distruction into(US) with open arms to the good and the bad, note the bad are being arrested all the time when one get thru pray your family is spared, we cannot simply turn a blind eye to threat in the name of freedom, Ill bet youd change your outlook if your mother our a family member was blown up by a angry muslum in the usa, tell me how can you tell a terrorist from a good muslum, everyone has to hold there breath, how will be next me you
@danapainterman **Without freedom, there is nothing left to protect.**
You cannot indict the entire Muslim world based on the actions of one organization. That would be like saying "we have to kill all the Christians, because Westboro Babtist Church is thanking God for dead soldiers."
There are both peaceful and violent people from every major faith. If you can't discern the difference, it's probably because you don't pay attention. That's not cause for bloodshed. It's just ignorance.
muslims beleive that they are to change everyone to the muslim religion by force if necessary, read it. Muslim are by nature voilent in there faith. they have been fighting since recorded history and why, 70 virgins? there faith demands it, they dont get there way they kill, why should a nation of people be allowed to bring this faith from there country to ours? they dont care who they kill thats why it called terrorist. and what have they done in the UK, read 1774 prayer
@danapainterman Burning someone else's holy book is inappropriate. If you're problem is with the ideas in the book, you can't burn the ideas away by burning the book. You have to do what the book did in the first place, which is to persuade. The only thing burning someone's sacred text is going to do is make them angry. This does not make the world safer.
If God want's the book burned, let him do it. If he's so powerful, he shouldn't need you to stick up for him.
we need to take our eyes off this burning of a book and look at the bigger picture, WHY would this man use the burning of the koran to make a statement, he couldnt get any bodys attention and when he did, not one person looked into the WHY he did it, not one news team researched his plea for the american people to wake up and look what muslums are doing in other countrys, this is a tragety that no one whats to look at the main issue, whats going on in the UK answer me that
what about our bible, they have no respect for our flag, bible. they burn it all the time and no one says a thing over here, they are sitting around plotting there next terror on the usa, and you dont see anything wrong. why dont we do like they are doing they burn what they want and no one says a thing, but try to burn there koran and we are an evil nation to be condemed, what doesnt the usa condeme them in the news why are we so scared of these folks, why oil, why
God does not strap a bomb on people and kill hundreds of people woman and children, tell me how to decern a good muslim from a terrorist in the USA our secret service is haveing a hard time so were does that leave the rest of us. were does the line start and stop to allowing muslim into the USA just whos who? tell me of what faith are you if you dont mind.
@DavidWilliamson1982 there not thanking god for dead people they are killing woman and children here and over there, first our christian faith which american was founded and our laws and freedoms were based bible and should be the only faith in america, christian should only hope for a faith they would gladdly strap a bomb on and kill hundreds of woman and children, it takes alot of faith to over ride what the bible tells us love one another as I have loved you, Love God with all your heart
@DavidWilliamson1982 our police would handle such an beleif, but we have a nation of people theres no clear line who's who they think there doing God a favor killing anyone, and it better if you kill alot, tell me what do they call america? you cannot give our freedoms to a people with a beleif that is inhearantly evil and death is the main menue, my God has left me an owners manual, by this bible we can see what sin did 1000 yrs ago and what sin will do in our future, why dont they just go home
example, billy graham, is good, hitler is bad, they are not together. God is got and satan is the father of lies. truth is good and lies are bad, rape is bad and marrage is good, we are not all bad and we are not all good the world shows us this everyday. yes we have freedoms but they were not to be used for bad like slavery, we are not free we are ruled over either by God or satan , good and the bad. only the fool says there is no God, creation testifies of Gods work
@danapainterman Like I said before, there are people everywhere who think that violence is an acceptable way to solve problems. This includes certain christians, it includes certain muslims. Of course the Quran and the Bible both advocate violence, so you could argue that both religions are fundamentally violent.
As for good and evil, they are not essential qualities of people, we use those words to describe intentions RELATIVE to our preferences.
@DavidWilliamson1982 a baby at birth before it can even talk know how to do wrong, we have to teach our children to right, wrong is in them. why? its a sin nature from adam and eve, king david was anointed by God but he still sined killing bathshebas husband. it would be nice to have a war less world, but men disagree on everything, until christ returns its not going to get better, in the bible voilence was to destroy evil sinfull people, we have 2 players satan and God, satan offers evil
tell me this were in the bible do you find unjustified violence? find one verse that you wish to use as a refrence and I would be glad to exsplain to you. lets look at Noah everyone was killed? except 8 people? was God a killer? a terrorist? why kill everyone? was not everyone evil and only Noah was found Good and upright, did you also know Noahs ark has been uncovered this year on mount arat, google Noahs ark and get back to me.
pt 2 when God flooded the world did he hate the people? did he murder his creation? why only 8 folks made it out? was God good and just or was this an evil act, was God good and without sin and the sins of the people were before him and it was continually evil, and sodom what was wrong? why kill everybody but lot? why did his wife die, was this unfair, God is with out sin and satan was cast down, there not just evil in churches we are doomed without christ as our savor
yes it was the ruleing class from 539 to 1798ad the dark ages church and state, the usa was a place for christian to come to from persacution in europe, it was never a place of refuge for muslums or morman and the such, they move here and use our freedoms we fought for against us wanting us to recognize there faiths, jesus said in the last days knowledge will be increased, this is why we are so smart, do you know christ, yes there is evil and good, satan and God, and you??
@DavidWilliamson1982 we only use Gods word to tell other of his saveing grace, yes there is an all powerfull God, and an evil that we see in everyday life. read your bible and keep it in context.
@DavidWilliamson1982 you talk in circles answer the posted questions, you are rambleing on, the above statement has nothing to do with my posted concern if you have no answers to my concerns and are unable to respond with a clear statement maybe its a good idea to spam you now I know what it does. I have posted concerns of mine, answer the post or be quiet.
The founders had several beliefs, some were catholic, some were prodestant, others were deist, others weren't religious at all. Freedom of religion is freedom of thought, and freedom of opinion. Your opinions about Mormonism and Islam strike me as ignorant, and your understanding of geopolitics strikes me as simple-minded.
read 1774 first prayer in congress, the united states was not founded on (other) religions it was founded on the bible Gods word, and has been since, we see other religions in the usa comeing in under the knowledge that they can beleive what they want this was not how it was suppose to be. Islam, koran has beleiver that threaten the usa and burn bibles in gods name they are a threat to americans everywhere, how can you tell a good muslum from a bad one
part 1 The Prayer in the First Congress, A.D. 1774
O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection,
@DavidWilliamson1982 part 2 , desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist
@DavidWilliamson1982 part 3 persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!
Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice,
@DavidWilliamson1982 part 4 , religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.
@danapainterman The first amendment to the constitution of the United States states that: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
please enter 1774 prayer and read some old news papers it was the god of abraham that installed the people and there vision of freedom base on Gods word, the very date we use 2010, why its been longer the 2010 years in recorded time. what happened 2010 years ago that everyone would change the date/year to zero at christs death and reserection?I mean everyone kings, unbeleivers, it was 4003 at christs time. the bible says in the last days knowledge will be increase,canusee
who told you that our founders had several beliefs? and some were not religous at all, you say Im ignorant?? I challenge you to answer the posted replys. I havent heard a word from you. geopolitics????thats a big word for some one that Knows all.
@DavidWilliamson1982 i havent sensored anything, I just found the spam thing a minute ago, I have no idea how this had a spam thing on it, I normal dont make allot of comments on line but this issue of this book called the koran is a distructive faith and should be out lawed from the USA, they burn our bible freely no one condemes them, but if we do the same thing every one up 2 the president cries dont do this evil thing while we watch on TV the bible being burned, I care, were are you from???
@DavidWilliamson1982 are you an american, are you a muslum> is the koran your bible? if so why do your people burn our bible openly with screams of joy? our flag is burned with great joy, our twin towers are blown up and the muslum world praises ala (GOD) what the matter with these folks, they have been a stiff necked people since christ, and have been waring all there live and they what use to except this koran and this people with open arm, what about other country that allowed this faith in?
is everyone doing ok
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 David you said George Washington - not christian.
Benjamin Franklin - not christian. and
Thomas Jefferson - not christian. and
Thomas Paine - not christian. then you say (quote) John Adams was a Christian?? didnt you look? you just spit out what ever you think when you should find out what the truth is, I hope you find the truth. check the link so you can see for your self
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 u make no sence. u have been blocked by me no need for me to reply to your meanless words. I hope you will find jesus as your savoir.
danapainterman 1 year ago
John Adams was a Christian, but Thomas Jefferson certainly wasn't. No self-respecting historian would claim to believe something so preposterous.
"In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 , you need to move back to the middle east, Iraq or where ever and get a new look at what you have here, maybe then you would stand for the home you have, diamonds from dunghills, so the christians are the diamonds and those that are not are dung? and you arent a christian? so were does this place you amoung the people that are not diamonds? if you dont like america you need to go back home Im sure they will receive you wilth open arms and probably a AK47
danapainterman 1 year ago
George Washington - not christian.
Benjamin Franklin - not christian.
Thomas Jefferson - not christian.
Thomas Paine - not christian.
Look up the French revolution, and you'll see what many of the enlightenment intellectuals thought of the Christian church (not to mention the Gregorian calendar)
Look up the Bosnian genocide, and you'll see where your religious bigotry leads people.
Everyone deserves the same treatment you get. You can worship how you want, so can they. This is a free land.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 you have a computer and you can find this info as I can. read this its in parts, 1 Our forefathers' strong faith in God and their personal sacrifice were the pillars upon which our republic was founded. To allow our Christian heritage to be hidden or removed from the halls of history would be a mockery of their faith in Almighty God. As stated by George Washington, the father of our nation, "
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt2 The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations."
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 3 Washington referred to himself frequently using the words “ardent,” “fervent,” “pious,” and “devout.” There are over one hundred different prayers composed and written by Washington in his own hand, with his own words, in his writings. He described himself as one of the deepest men of faith of his day when he confessed to a clergyman,
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 4 “No Man has a more perfect Reliance on the alwise, and powerful dispensations of the Supreme Being than I have nor thinks his aid more necessary
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 5 Rather than avoid the word “God,” on the very first national Thanksgiving under the U.S. Constitution, he said, “It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor.” Although he never once used the word “Deist” in his voluminous writings, he often mentioned religion,
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 6 Christianity, and the Gospel. He spoke of Christ as “the divine Author of our blessed religion.”
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 you need to look this all up before you speak of myths and wise tails, i will look the rest of the listed folks and get back with ya
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 1 how can you say such a thing, I looked this up real easy for you, Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 pt 2 I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 also read John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 look some up your self!
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman And I quote "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions,
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 Thomas Jefferson quotes:
God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever. I dont know what you are reading, french?? Im talking america Gods speed
danapainterman 1 year ago
america was founded on biblical thruths, were did this come from,O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States,
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman pt 2, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father,
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman pt 3, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman pt 3 Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent,
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman Pt 4, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.
Amen.
Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
tell me where this came from and what God was this in refrence to, muslum? catholic? MORMAN?
danapainterman 1 year ago
However, I would not burn a bible to prove my point to you.
I think we should cherish all our historical literature, and consider all views, all i would do is tell you, the victim of the religion, that the religion is false. I would also suggest you join me in the SEARCH for truth. Get it?
We don't have to pay military contractors to blow up poor people. We would get more safety for our money by feeding people. That's self-evident to anyone who "stops and thinks" about what we're dealing with.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 this country has allowed other to enjoy our freedoms that we died for, our founding fathers never intended that we should allow other to come here for other religious freedoms other than to serve God as defined by the holy Bible, muslums have a faith thats inherinatly voilent, How come our callender says its 2010? why not 6001 or so, surely weve been here longer than 2010 years, why did everyone change there callenders to reflect the current 2010 we have today,
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman The founding fathers were members of the "enlightenment." This was a period in history when the traditional sources of authority (nobility and churches) were challenged and replaced by reason.
The whole idea that anyone living here can believe what they want to believe without pressure from the state is rooted in this REJECTION OF RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY.
This is not to say that the society wasn't predominately Christian. I'm not saying that there weren't -
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
- I'm not saying that there weren't protestants, and catholics present at the constitutional congress.
What I am saying is that the intentions of the ARCHITECTS of the constitution revolved around L - I - B - E - R - T - Y.
This goes hand in hand with something called capitalism, which says that: If you have the money to build a mosque, there's nothing the state - or anyone in the state - can do about it.
That's freedom, and that's why freedom is rare - because it scares people like you.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 no the british were throw out, the idea wasnt for everyone how beleived what they wanted this country was founded and rooted on biblical principles and are laws and goverment stand as proof, its been that way along time its only recent that pagan religions have slipped in and taken advantage of OUR rights and used/or useing them against us, dont be fooled we usually wait till the last minute, but when we wake up to this threat watch out, sleeping giant
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman Yes, the root causes of the American revolution were primarily economic. The taxes from England were equivalent to a shakedown.
It's interesting to note that the problem was with the English parliament. Benjamin Franklin even saw the King as an ally in the early days, since the King was also at odds with the parliament.
But the events that gave rise to the Magna Carta, and the French revolution were also involved in the nations founding.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
The central motivation for rejecting religious authority was due to how it related to power. In the early days, your place in society was determined by your birth. The members of the enlightenment thought that was wrong. They believed in meritocracy, the idea that your place in society should be determined by your contribution to society.
And it's also true that that moral judgement is expressed in Luke 6:44. It's also common sense.
Nationalism works like a caste system.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
So... If the church upheld "divine mandate", and supported the caste mentality, that meant that the cozy relationship religion had with political power was a threat to meritocracy.
The other reason for rejecting the church/state unity was the restrictions that it placed on science. For instance, the church fought against the propagation of the heliocentric solar system.
If we are going to advance in understanding, we have to accept things as they are, not just how we want them to be.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
None of this is to say that Christianity was not influential in the nations laws, but so were the Iroquois, and so were the ancient Greeks.
I also want to make clear that it's religious freedom that allows you to believe as you do, without fear of persecution. I don't want you to be persecuted by Muslims, or Pegans, or Atheists, or anyone.
I don't think you are threatened. I think that societies change, just like everything else. That's not a threat, it's just the nature of the thing.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 what happened 2010 years ago that everyone would change the date to 0001? everyone changed there dates to reflect this new year? why
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman Our calendar was instituted long ago, in 525 A.D. (Anno Domini, or "in the year of our lord"), but this system wasn't widely used until 800 A.D. It was instituted under the watch of Pope Gregory XIII.
Popes are kind of like really important preachers that used to rule along side the nobility. They belong to what's known as the catholic church.
You would have loved the catholics. They heard stuff they disagreed with and burned the PEOPLE.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
What was this pastors point? why did he do this? what message was he trying to get across to the american people by burning the koran? that he felt he had to do this in order to get the americans attention? its not what he did its why? I have seen no news team do a report on what going on in other countrys. France is closeing its borders along with others, why? Im sorry but muslums are not welcome with this beleif system, it didnt work in there country and its not here!
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 religion is false?? then why worry what people think? he who says there is no God the truth doesnt abide in them, they reject the truth for a lie, they were not concidering a veiw they were trusting in the only GOD the GOD of the bible, stay focused.
danapainterman 1 year ago
In fact the first amendment in the bill of rights was put in place specifically to prevent any one religion from gaining too much power.
You say islam wants to swallow the world. That's true, and it should be stopped - nonviolently. Violence never solves shit, it just perpetuates itself. It's a shame that people are too stupid to realize that.
Christianity, likewise, is trying to swallow the world and should be stopped. It's identical to islam in this respect, and frankly disgusting.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
Number two, you seem to think that the US was founded on Christian principles, but this is not true explicitly. In fact, what you had were men of intellect setting up a constitution in a secret meeting which was later brought out to the public.
As I said, the men had no single religion. You think they believed in the christian god, and I have no doubts that many if not most of them did, but others did not.
Thomas Jefferson hated Christianity. George Washington refused to pray.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
So for instance, if I saw you burning a koran, that's perfectly legal. The government doesn't have a say in whether you can, but I can express my disapproval. Essentially, you're disapproving of something which isn't hurting you directly.
It's basically what you were told to take offence to. It's sad that you let Fox news and corporate-america distract you from their very real infringements on your rights. It's sad that you don't understand the importance/rarity of your freedoms.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
why would muslums leave there beloved country to come and live in the USA with us swine, pagan people lost to God, I take great pride in our country and its heritage I dont care to see a people leave a voilent country and bring it hear all the while infultrating state and local goverment to provide a better foot stool for the muslum faith as seen in other countrys
danapainterman 1 year ago
Im unable to discern whos a good muslum or a bad muslum, a good koran and a bad koran, I see muslums comeing to other countrys leaving there home land? why? as christians are known by there fruits I use this very same method to try to decern the muslum faith and its followers, it appears we have a great devide among the muslums, deadly exstreams from a peaceful people to a terrorist people, why have the muslums decided to move from home to the USA? are the muslums not terrorized by there own peo
danapainterman 1 year ago
americans are not sayiong much now and it makes me wonder, As I gave it alot of thought before posting my opinion on this issue, all the people Ive talked to in doctors office and around town are angry as hell about this 911 mosgue and muslums in general, the mormans have a beautifull sounding religion, but when you look deeper they have many wives, jesus is satans brother and blacks were banded to join, they rewrote there bible to fix this error, im doing alot of research on muslums and origins
danapainterman 1 year ago
it concerns me about Obama, hes 50% muslum by his father, he has christ covered up in his speeches, didnt put his hand on the bible when he took office woulnt wear a flag on his shirt, as far as I know this has never happened, the you americans were hood winked by his speeches, he has our goverment devided, every where I go people are buying guns and ammo, it makes me wonder if there already something going on I dont know about. putting mosgue at 911 will encite americans I think
danapainterman 1 year ago
this mosgue on 911 is an out rage, muslums pushing there luck, yes 70 muslums died at 911 they were killed by there own people just as they do now in there own country, every time I see muslums at home they all got guns and burning our bible & flag, there home land is destroyed from warring all the time, streets are dirt, mud huts and no paint no wonder muslums want to come to america to live, you have to always remmber we were here first, and we already see them pushing themsleve on everyone
danapainterman 1 year ago
I am 3th generation american, my father WII and grandfather goes to civil war, Im sorry for the muslums at home and in america, americans will not be so nice when the sleeping giant is awakened, as in pearl harbor we didnt want much to do with this war but when we did get in it was all the way. muslums need to understand when we fought again japan we locked up american japaness here, no it wasnt right, but we had to close the back door, your other half threatens you here, americans are angry
danapainterman 1 year ago
My answers aren't rambling, and they are all relevant.
My point is that if you censor my comments, you lose my respect. Hence, I shall "be quiet", as there is no point talking to someone I don't respect.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
I didnt censor any of your comments?? I uncensored them I have no idea how they got censored? but I can say your replys are repetitive and vaige, get to the point
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman I already told you all my points.
Number one, there are violent people all over the place. some happen to be muslim, some happen to be christian. People like you are proof that christians are no better. As for the mosque, I don't care where they build it. All religions are parasitic, including christianity, but it's not the place of the state to guard the people from a religions idea.
This country was founded on the idea that people shouldn't use force to control eachother.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
they burn our bible and flag and we are told not to respond to this insult, a person trys to burn the koran and the muslum people get back up all the way to the presidents office, we react in fear why??they want to place there mosque at ground zero this also is a slap in our face, our president is 50% muslum his father and no one seems to bring or talk about this either, the muslum faith is voilent as we see in everday life in there country, why bring it here to the USA, Obama will be voted out!
danapainterman 1 year ago
Religions are an instrument used by the ruling class, for the purposes of controlling the ruled. Anyone claiming that there is an all-powerful person that they speak for, is claiming divine mandate.
In a free society, neither the ruling minority, nor the majority have any right to silence or hinder the freedom of thought of an individual.
It is this freedom that has allowed science to advance, giving us things like computers and YouTube.
People aren't "good" or "bad", we're in it together.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
when you allow a faith set on distruction into(US) with open arms to the good and the bad, note the bad are being arrested all the time when one get thru pray your family is spared, we cannot simply turn a blind eye to threat in the name of freedom, Ill bet youd change your outlook if your mother our a family member was blown up by a angry muslum in the usa, tell me how can you tell a terrorist from a good muslum, everyone has to hold there breath, how will be next me you
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman **Without freedom, there is nothing left to protect.**
You cannot indict the entire Muslim world based on the actions of one organization. That would be like saying "we have to kill all the Christians, because Westboro Babtist Church is thanking God for dead soldiers."
There are both peaceful and violent people from every major faith. If you can't discern the difference, it's probably because you don't pay attention. That's not cause for bloodshed. It's just ignorance.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
muslims beleive that they are to change everyone to the muslim religion by force if necessary, read it. Muslim are by nature voilent in there faith. they have been fighting since recorded history and why, 70 virgins? there faith demands it, they dont get there way they kill, why should a nation of people be allowed to bring this faith from there country to ours? they dont care who they kill thats why it called terrorist. and what have they done in the UK, read 1774 prayer
danapainterman 1 year ago
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DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@danapainterman Burning someone else's holy book is inappropriate. If you're problem is with the ideas in the book, you can't burn the ideas away by burning the book. You have to do what the book did in the first place, which is to persuade. The only thing burning someone's sacred text is going to do is make them angry. This does not make the world safer.
If God want's the book burned, let him do it. If he's so powerful, he shouldn't need you to stick up for him.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
we need to take our eyes off this burning of a book and look at the bigger picture, WHY would this man use the burning of the koran to make a statement, he couldnt get any bodys attention and when he did, not one person looked into the WHY he did it, not one news team researched his plea for the american people to wake up and look what muslums are doing in other countrys, this is a tragety that no one whats to look at the main issue, whats going on in the UK answer me that
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
what about our bible, they have no respect for our flag, bible. they burn it all the time and no one says a thing over here, they are sitting around plotting there next terror on the usa, and you dont see anything wrong. why dont we do like they are doing they burn what they want and no one says a thing, but try to burn there koran and we are an evil nation to be condemed, what doesnt the usa condeme them in the news why are we so scared of these folks, why oil, why
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
God does not strap a bomb on people and kill hundreds of people woman and children, tell me how to decern a good muslim from a terrorist in the USA our secret service is haveing a hard time so were does that leave the rest of us. were does the line start and stop to allowing muslim into the USA just whos who? tell me of what faith are you if you dont mind.
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 there not thanking god for dead people they are killing woman and children here and over there, first our christian faith which american was founded and our laws and freedoms were based bible and should be the only faith in america, christian should only hope for a faith they would gladdly strap a bomb on and kill hundreds of woman and children, it takes alot of faith to over ride what the bible tells us love one another as I have loved you, Love God with all your heart
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 our police would handle such an beleif, but we have a nation of people theres no clear line who's who they think there doing God a favor killing anyone, and it better if you kill alot, tell me what do they call america? you cannot give our freedoms to a people with a beleif that is inhearantly evil and death is the main menue, my God has left me an owners manual, by this bible we can see what sin did 1000 yrs ago and what sin will do in our future, why dont they just go home
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
the founder had one God please read post
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
example, billy graham, is good, hitler is bad, they are not together. God is got and satan is the father of lies. truth is good and lies are bad, rape is bad and marrage is good, we are not all bad and we are not all good the world shows us this everyday. yes we have freedoms but they were not to be used for bad like slavery, we are not free we are ruled over either by God or satan , good and the bad. only the fool says there is no God, creation testifies of Gods work
danapainterman 1 year ago
@danapainterman Like I said before, there are people everywhere who think that violence is an acceptable way to solve problems. This includes certain christians, it includes certain muslims. Of course the Quran and the Bible both advocate violence, so you could argue that both religions are fundamentally violent.
As for good and evil, they are not essential qualities of people, we use those words to describe intentions RELATIVE to our preferences.
For example, some people loved Hitler.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 a baby at birth before it can even talk know how to do wrong, we have to teach our children to right, wrong is in them. why? its a sin nature from adam and eve, king david was anointed by God but he still sined killing bathshebas husband. it would be nice to have a war less world, but men disagree on everything, until christ returns its not going to get better, in the bible voilence was to destroy evil sinfull people, we have 2 players satan and God, satan offers evil
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
tell me this were in the bible do you find unjustified violence? find one verse that you wish to use as a refrence and I would be glad to exsplain to you. lets look at Noah everyone was killed? except 8 people? was God a killer? a terrorist? why kill everyone? was not everyone evil and only Noah was found Good and upright, did you also know Noahs ark has been uncovered this year on mount arat, google Noahs ark and get back to me.
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
pt 2 when God flooded the world did he hate the people? did he murder his creation? why only 8 folks made it out? was God good and just or was this an evil act, was God good and without sin and the sins of the people were before him and it was continually evil, and sodom what was wrong? why kill everybody but lot? why did his wife die, was this unfair, God is with out sin and satan was cast down, there not just evil in churches we are doomed without christ as our savor
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
yes it was the ruleing class from 539 to 1798ad the dark ages church and state, the usa was a place for christian to come to from persacution in europe, it was never a place of refuge for muslums or morman and the such, they move here and use our freedoms we fought for against us wanting us to recognize there faiths, jesus said in the last days knowledge will be increased, this is why we are so smart, do you know christ, yes there is evil and good, satan and God, and you??
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 , yes in the dark ages, the muslums want to force everyone to beleive as they do and feel killing people is the way
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 we only use Gods word to tell other of his saveing grace, yes there is an all powerfull God, and an evil that we see in everyday life. read your bible and keep it in context.
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 you talk in circles answer the posted questions, you are rambleing on, the above statement has nothing to do with my posted concern if you have no answers to my concerns and are unable to respond with a clear statement maybe its a good idea to spam you now I know what it does. I have posted concerns of mine, answer the post or be quiet.
danapainterman 1 year ago
The founders had several beliefs, some were catholic, some were prodestant, others were deist, others weren't religious at all. Freedom of religion is freedom of thought, and freedom of opinion. Your opinions about Mormonism and Islam strike me as ignorant, and your understanding of geopolitics strikes me as simple-minded.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
read 1774 first prayer in congress, the united states was not founded on (other) religions it was founded on the bible Gods word, and has been since, we see other religions in the usa comeing in under the knowledge that they can beleive what they want this was not how it was suppose to be. Islam, koran has beleiver that threaten the usa and burn bibles in gods name they are a threat to americans everywhere, how can you tell a good muslum from a bad one
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
part 1 The Prayer in the First Congress, A.D. 1774
O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection,
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 part 2 , desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 part 3 persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!
Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice,
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 part 4 , religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 part 5 Amen.
Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
note the founders had one God, one savior jesus christ
danapainterman 1 year ago
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@danapainterman The first amendment to the constitution of the United States states that: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
please enter 1774 prayer and read some old news papers it was the god of abraham that installed the people and there vision of freedom base on Gods word, the very date we use 2010, why its been longer the 2010 years in recorded time. what happened 2010 years ago that everyone would change the date/year to zero at christs death and reserection?I mean everyone kings, unbeleivers, it was 4003 at christs time. the bible says in the last days knowledge will be increase,canusee
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982
who told you that our founders had several beliefs? and some were not religous at all, you say Im ignorant?? I challenge you to answer the posted replys. I havent heard a word from you. geopolitics????thats a big word for some one that Knows all.
danapainterman 1 year ago
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@danapainterman If you're going to remove my comments, I'm not going to waste my time on you.
If you want to have a serious discussion, don't censor my comments.
DavidWilliamson1982 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 i havent sensored anything, I just found the spam thing a minute ago, I have no idea how this had a spam thing on it, I normal dont make allot of comments on line but this issue of this book called the koran is a distructive faith and should be out lawed from the USA, they burn our bible freely no one condemes them, but if we do the same thing every one up 2 the president cries dont do this evil thing while we watch on TV the bible being burned, I care, were are you from???
danapainterman 1 year ago
@DavidWilliamson1982 are you an american, are you a muslum> is the koran your bible? if so why do your people burn our bible openly with screams of joy? our flag is burned with great joy, our twin towers are blown up and the muslum world praises ala (GOD) what the matter with these folks, they have been a stiff necked people since christ, and have been waring all there live and they what use to except this koran and this people with open arm, what about other country that allowed this faith in?
danapainterman 1 year ago
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