@TheCasualAngler You can go on about the DM all you want, but the system, to me has some wicked balance issues. Now I'll grant you that I don't hate it like I did in this video, but I still say, as a D&D vet, that it's a) for ne players & b) has some pretty noticeable balance problems.
@lycanfan well i can't really say much when it comes to older vesions of dnd haven't played them but i can see where it would be frusterating where your use to a way something is and it gets changed. but alot of ppl like the 4e from what i know if u where a fighter u didnt really have much when it came to attacks and was boring. but as i said haven't played older then 4e so i can only go off what i am told.
Playing D&D 4th Edition is almost as pleasurable as hitting your nutsack with a sharpened pick. For four hours. While drinking boric acid from Rosie O'Donnell's ass.
First and foremost I may make a video response to this video. I donot agree with alot of what you said, and alot of the reasons you disliked this edition you were rather vague to say the least. I think you do make good videos, but this one was just heavily flawed in your arguments. Though I am curious did you ever redo this video? I think if you do, also take a look at the supplemental material, as it honestly adds alot to the game!!!
@MagusX1 I have not redone this video, but I have thought about doing it. I still do not care for 4th Edition (I have looked at the supplemental material, and I still felt turned off), but certainly wasn't too clear on what exactly about it bothered me here. I may try again.
@lycanfan Right, though despite while you are entitled to your opinion, I have issues with your vid. The main one is certainly where you say it is not DnD. You may not like it, but because you donot like it does not make it DnD. Also saying the battles are too easy is poor planning on the DM, as opposed to the system being too easy. And of course the old tired its like WoW argument still makes no sense. I may have to do a video response to this vid.
@MagusX1 If you wish, I have no qualms with that. Please keep in mind that I may still re-do it to make my point more clear. I have also considered doing more tabletop gaming related videos. I've been playing tabletop games for about 13 years now, and I think it may be fun to talk/rant about them on here.
@lycanfan Yeah again it will not be anything personal against. In all honesty I actual like your reviews and such on movies and what not. None the less, there are just somethings about this video that I have problems with, and if you want I can do my response, and perhaps you can do your updated vid as a response to mine. Infact I have two channels now one dedicated to table top gaming and my main channel, but the response will be on my main channel!
@MagusX1 Sounds good. I had no doubt that you'd focus on the flaws with the video and not on me (although I can be a spacker times). I just checked out you main channel, & I liked that I saw. Anyway, I probably should do a re-up of this before I start in on more tabletop related shenanigans. Once that's done, I was going to hone in on either World of Darkness (most likely an old vs new comparison) or take a look at Unisystem, then I was going to look at some old collectible games.
@lycanfan Thanks. Nice Worlds of Darkness. Ironically enough I was at Barnes and Noble and they had the Mage the Awakening book there. Intrigued me enought to go purchase it, though you said you were playing the old WoD games. Interested to see what you have to say about them. I played Vampire the Masquerade Years ago, but aside from that not to Experience. Really interested in Mage though.
@MagusX1 Vampire the Masquerade was one of the first tabletops I ever played (the first being 2nd Ed AD&D), and I've played most of the OWoD titles, & all of the NWoD ones. When it comes to Mage, I'd personally recommend Old over New, if you have the option. Another great system, if you're interested in that sort of game is the Unisytem, more to the point, CJ Carella's Witchcraft. I love the hell out of that one.
@lycanfan Hmmm not sure if I have that option, when I go in to the game shop for my Monday Night game I will check if they have the older editions in the used rack. It will be a hell alot cheaper than 35 dollars for the new one. And Witchcraft? Hmmm Sounds interesting I will have to look into that one. I started playing with an old DnD boxed set from the 90s that had a streamlined version of 2nd adnd and had little fold out minatures and maps. Also...
@MagusX1 You should be able to get most of the old books fairly cheap. I got my Hunter the Reckoning core book for about $8 in mint condition (thank you amazon.com), and Vampire is usually pretty easy to find. Mage is a bit harder to locate, but not impossible. If you want to go for the more obscure titles (Demon, Mummy, Changeling) good luck. Cheapest I've seen on those was $60 for a dinged up Demon the Fallen book.
@lycanfan I hopefully can find it. I may still get the Mage awakening, but if I can find the old one I will get that. From what I understand its not only the mechanics that are different but the lore surrounding it as well from what I understand!
@MagusX1 Oh yeah. Old Mage is all about conceptual reality, the origin of life, the human soul, etc. New is more about the origin of Magic, ascension, and the mind. Also Atlantis.
@lycanfan I would reccomend a system called Warrior Rogue and Mage. Its very very fucking cool, and its very story based and fun to play. Also despite the title no classes, and the best part....its a free system. Its good cause some of us in the group like to play low fantasy as well as high so its worth checking out and again its free and to be honest, if I had to pay for it, I would.
@MagusX1 Hmmm. Never heard of that one. I do like opened systems (although lately my Tuesday group has been running so much of the NWoD core system that I think I may go insane) so I'll keep my eyes open for that one.
Check out Pathfinder, published by Piazo. The rulebooks sort of 3.75 edition, a comprehensive upgrade of v3.5ed, written by the same guys that published the magazines Dungeon and its counterpart Dragon back in the day.
It's streamlined the skill system which speeds gameplay up a bit, a move I thought could be bad until I started plaing. In fact I find it hard to think of any significant bad points for it. If you've the bucks I think you'll like it.
@DislocatedDesign I have heard some great thing about Pathfinder. I really do want to check it out, but, unfortunately, my group is addicted to both Mutants and Masterminds and Old WoD, so there's no room right now for it. Still, I guess I could pick it up anyway.
This video told me very little about 4E and more about the kind of things YOU like and the kind of things YOU want to play. This is not so much a "review" as it is just you thinking aloud.
Uhhhh???? Yes 4e *IS* D&D (not WoW). In fact D&D is whatever WotC says it is. I played D&D starting in the 70s with the white box set. It's way different from recent versions. Still, I'm not going to say 3.5 is not D&D just because D&D has changed over the years. Every time there is a change to any RPG (including online games) there is some subset of people who think it's the end of the world, yet somehow the world goes on. If you don't like 4e fine, but saying it isn't D&D is just dumb.
whats so bad about having a little world of world of warcraft in there. i think over the years D&D and world of warcraft have played off eachother in some ways...
When 3rd edition came out, they were also going on about 3.5.. That's why I waited for 4th. Liked 1st edition, 2nd edition. Personally, although it seems sooo much more expensive, I still love 4th edition. Might I suggest house rules to balance out your game?
@bozzutoman "The whole "I'm sophisticated" presentation and the goofy hand-gesture thing is pure fail." What the hell are you talking about. I wasn't trying to be sophisticated. I was being honest.
@lycanfan — My comment wasn't about the content... I don't doubt the sincerity of your review, or the legitimacy of your objections to 4E. What irked me was the manner of presentation... the "armchair delivery" with haughty inflections of voice, and overly animated hand-gestures. — Now if this is your natural way of communicating, so be it, but that mannerism rubs me the wrong way. I guess we can just mark it down as an intrinsic penalty to our reaction roll by the Cosmic GM.
@bozzutoman I can understand that (even though it is the way I normally speak). I have been trying to refine my delivery for my videos, and if you have any ideas, please tell me. I want my videos to reflect all the quality I can muster on such a low budget. BTW, kudos on your Cosmic GM line, that made my day.
I just want to say, as an unbiased person (I have played 3e and 4e evenly) I prefer 4e. I don't see why you are complaining about pidgeon holding, because if I had a level 5 character with level 1 everything...they woul suck...ass... and there basically is a ranged rogue now, the shadowy rougue. You have a biased opinion, because you are comparing old 3e, to new 4e. Also, each class has about 3-4 choices on what kind of class they will be. So calm yourself. Plus, the art work is better, bar none
I disagree, I have seen most of the 3e art, not only does most of it suck in comparison to 4e, but the style of art is far different...once again, calm your self...
Martial Power 2 has plenty of ranged rogue options and more improvements comeout each month. And if you've only played WoW "once" you really can't compare the entirety of D&D to WoW, not enough current arguements to deflate that cliche... I think everyone says, and I quote, "D&D is... World of Warcraft."(insert exassperated sigh). Get off it already. If one more pop-culture expert uses this argument, I hold no faith for the future of society's intellectuals
I will admit that when I've played my DM's have REALLY limited me in what I could do with my Rogues and every time I tried to bust ranged my party would always bitch at me for not fulfilling my role as a striker. So I'll give you that my groups have negatively colored my vision on 4th Ed. As for the WoW thing: it really did feel like WoW to me. A hack 'n' slash heavy, overly gear oriented, combat fest. I wasn't trying to give into cliche.
I agree totally that the game has little built in RP value and is 100% hack n' slash miniatures combat. IMO that's a plus though. WoD games in particular frustrate me because I'm always having to stop my roleplay to roll some dice for something. I like the looser stance D&D takes. Obviously that doesn't work for everyone though.
There was a reason it only lasted 7 years. it had a .5...lol also it just got too broken too fix. oh and yah I rolled a crit, wait what I have to roll it again....LAME. Oh and try grappling in combat....need I say more?
Having played every version of D&D and many other RPGs, the success and failure of any RPG is the D/GM who runs it. The additional rules that are coming out in PHB3, which opens the floor for hybrid characters. These hybrid character rules allow for a better multi-classing experience, rather than just dabbling in another class through the multi-classing feats in the PHB. Although it is neither the first nor second edition, the 4th Edition of D&D is growing on me with each passing book.
7 years was not enough, 3E was probably the best combat rpg ive ever played. 4E was an utter peice of shit that was designed to appeal to dumbasses who shouldnt be playing in the first place
Actually, (and though I can understand where you 're coming from by alot of your points) 4th edition D&D is a mint of freash breath in comparison to the 3,5 version which was an utter messy crap of a retards', nerds' and worse of all munchkins' game...
OK one I dis agree with you on, the cleric can be built to be more offensive without giving up the heals and buffs. I thought that was a great step forward.
OK one last point you claim that the update from 2000-2007 wasn't long enough to work out the bugs of 3E. well 4E is less than 2 years old. they are fixing some problems like underpowered minions. give it time and if you have a major beef send it in to wizards so it can be improved. but give it time. I'll admit my 4e books are collecting dust right now but I'm keeping my eye on the new advances.
Yeah, I'll admit that there hasn't been much time for improvement, but this is different. The issues with 3e were clunky rules (fixed, mostly, with errata), broken magic (which SHOULD'VE been fixed with errata), and an over emphasis on combat. 4e has problems inherent to it's design. Still, I am willing to give it more time. After all, I started with D&D, so I might as well give it another chance.
yes someone rolls a d20 and says I think of a plan is not quite RPing but then again how do you determine the mood of the illithed you are proposing a trade with.
in the end I think it's one of the cases where people who play come to fight more often then not, so wizards gave the majority what they thought they wanted. not everyone would offer a pig to a dragon for the one bobble the local king requested instead of killing it.
After playing 4th for nearly a year now i have decided to go back to 3.5. 4 was way to simple and lacks logic in its rules. While 3.5 does have some broken feats, 4.0 has completely broken powers. Today in my game one of the characters did nearly 200 points of damage on in 1 round. Broken!
a level 8 rogue. He did critical 3 times in one round and he did use an action point to gain the extra two attacks but i still think it was not realistic and took the fun out of the game. I like challenge and using my brain when i fight something not hitting it with tons of damage. Its boring....Thats just my opinion.
I must say that the idea behind configuring a character to do lots of damage does take a brain. But I do agree with what you have been saying in regards to a level eight rogue pumping out 200 damage AND dealing out action points just to get more. If you are making a character solely to do damage, you might be treating them like a character sheet instead of a real person/character. Which beats the point of roleplaying. We don't play RPGs to win. We play to roleplay.
Thanks for putting this up. I agree with this review. The only thing I disagree with is Clerics in 3e. They have the potential to beat out most other characters in melee combat, and are great for dealing some ranged spell-based pain. I like my heal/buff/beat-face-bot Cleric. <3
True. Cleric were pretty versatile. I preferred either a Scout/Spell Thief Multi Class, or a Sorc/Rogue Multi Class. I never enjoyed playing healers/buffers.
it's up to your dm to make it challenging... 10 hydra in one room.. if u still call that easy well your daft..
TheCasualAngler 1 month ago
@TheCasualAngler You can go on about the DM all you want, but the system, to me has some wicked balance issues. Now I'll grant you that I don't hate it like I did in this video, but I still say, as a D&D vet, that it's a) for ne players & b) has some pretty noticeable balance problems.
lycanfan 1 month ago
@lycanfan well i can't really say much when it comes to older vesions of dnd haven't played them but i can see where it would be frusterating where your use to a way something is and it gets changed. but alot of ppl like the 4e from what i know if u where a fighter u didnt really have much when it came to attacks and was boring. but as i said haven't played older then 4e so i can only go off what i am told.
TheCasualAngler 1 month ago
Playing D&D 4th Edition is almost as pleasurable as hitting your nutsack with a sharpened pick. For four hours. While drinking boric acid from Rosie O'Donnell's ass.
KhagarBalugrak 7 months ago 4
First and foremost I may make a video response to this video. I donot agree with alot of what you said, and alot of the reasons you disliked this edition you were rather vague to say the least. I think you do make good videos, but this one was just heavily flawed in your arguments. Though I am curious did you ever redo this video? I think if you do, also take a look at the supplemental material, as it honestly adds alot to the game!!!
MagusX1 8 months ago
@MagusX1 I have not redone this video, but I have thought about doing it. I still do not care for 4th Edition (I have looked at the supplemental material, and I still felt turned off), but certainly wasn't too clear on what exactly about it bothered me here. I may try again.
lycanfan 8 months ago
@lycanfan Right, though despite while you are entitled to your opinion, I have issues with your vid. The main one is certainly where you say it is not DnD. You may not like it, but because you donot like it does not make it DnD. Also saying the battles are too easy is poor planning on the DM, as opposed to the system being too easy. And of course the old tired its like WoW argument still makes no sense. I may have to do a video response to this vid.
MagusX1 8 months ago
@MagusX1 If you wish, I have no qualms with that. Please keep in mind that I may still re-do it to make my point more clear. I have also considered doing more tabletop gaming related videos. I've been playing tabletop games for about 13 years now, and I think it may be fun to talk/rant about them on here.
lycanfan 8 months ago
@lycanfan Yeah again it will not be anything personal against. In all honesty I actual like your reviews and such on movies and what not. None the less, there are just somethings about this video that I have problems with, and if you want I can do my response, and perhaps you can do your updated vid as a response to mine. Infact I have two channels now one dedicated to table top gaming and my main channel, but the response will be on my main channel!
MagusX1 8 months ago
@MagusX1 Sounds good. I had no doubt that you'd focus on the flaws with the video and not on me (although I can be a spacker times). I just checked out you main channel, & I liked that I saw. Anyway, I probably should do a re-up of this before I start in on more tabletop related shenanigans. Once that's done, I was going to hone in on either World of Darkness (most likely an old vs new comparison) or take a look at Unisystem, then I was going to look at some old collectible games.
lycanfan 8 months ago
@lycanfan Thanks. Nice Worlds of Darkness. Ironically enough I was at Barnes and Noble and they had the Mage the Awakening book there. Intrigued me enought to go purchase it, though you said you were playing the old WoD games. Interested to see what you have to say about them. I played Vampire the Masquerade Years ago, but aside from that not to Experience. Really interested in Mage though.
MagusX1 8 months ago
@MagusX1 Vampire the Masquerade was one of the first tabletops I ever played (the first being 2nd Ed AD&D), and I've played most of the OWoD titles, & all of the NWoD ones. When it comes to Mage, I'd personally recommend Old over New, if you have the option. Another great system, if you're interested in that sort of game is the Unisytem, more to the point, CJ Carella's Witchcraft. I love the hell out of that one.
lycanfan 8 months ago
@lycanfan Hmmm not sure if I have that option, when I go in to the game shop for my Monday Night game I will check if they have the older editions in the used rack. It will be a hell alot cheaper than 35 dollars for the new one. And Witchcraft? Hmmm Sounds interesting I will have to look into that one. I started playing with an old DnD boxed set from the 90s that had a streamlined version of 2nd adnd and had little fold out minatures and maps. Also...
MagusX1 8 months ago
@MagusX1 You should be able to get most of the old books fairly cheap. I got my Hunter the Reckoning core book for about $8 in mint condition (thank you amazon.com), and Vampire is usually pretty easy to find. Mage is a bit harder to locate, but not impossible. If you want to go for the more obscure titles (Demon, Mummy, Changeling) good luck. Cheapest I've seen on those was $60 for a dinged up Demon the Fallen book.
lycanfan 8 months ago
@lycanfan I hopefully can find it. I may still get the Mage awakening, but if I can find the old one I will get that. From what I understand its not only the mechanics that are different but the lore surrounding it as well from what I understand!
MagusX1 8 months ago
@MagusX1 Oh yeah. Old Mage is all about conceptual reality, the origin of life, the human soul, etc. New is more about the origin of Magic, ascension, and the mind. Also Atlantis.
lycanfan 8 months ago
@lycanfan I would reccomend a system called Warrior Rogue and Mage. Its very very fucking cool, and its very story based and fun to play. Also despite the title no classes, and the best part....its a free system. Its good cause some of us in the group like to play low fantasy as well as high so its worth checking out and again its free and to be honest, if I had to pay for it, I would.
MagusX1 8 months ago
@MagusX1 Hmmm. Never heard of that one. I do like opened systems (although lately my Tuesday group has been running so much of the NWoD core system that I think I may go insane) so I'll keep my eyes open for that one.
lycanfan 8 months ago
Check out Pathfinder, published by Piazo. The rulebooks sort of 3.75 edition, a comprehensive upgrade of v3.5ed, written by the same guys that published the magazines Dungeon and its counterpart Dragon back in the day.
It's streamlined the skill system which speeds gameplay up a bit, a move I thought could be bad until I started plaing. In fact I find it hard to think of any significant bad points for it. If you've the bucks I think you'll like it.
So no need to live in the past dude ;)
DislocatedDesign 1 year ago
@DislocatedDesign I have heard some great thing about Pathfinder. I really do want to check it out, but, unfortunately, my group is addicted to both Mutants and Masterminds and Old WoD, so there's no room right now for it. Still, I guess I could pick it up anyway.
lycanfan 1 year ago
i like 4e. my group like 1e. i'm working on a house-ruled 1e/4e system. shall be interesting.
greeneyesj17362 1 year ago
i bet it wont be long until 5th d&d comes out judging by all negative reviews 4th been getting !
nozzer2002 1 year ago
This video told me very little about 4E and more about the kind of things YOU like and the kind of things YOU want to play. This is not so much a "review" as it is just you thinking aloud.
VincentKahrune 1 year ago
@VincentKahrune I have to agree with you. I actually want to re-do this one. I won't take this one down as i like to learn from my mistakes.
lycanfan 1 year ago
@lycanfan I hope you do, I am interested in learning more about 4E from someone who has actually played it. I look forward to it.
VincentKahrune 1 year ago
@VincentKahrune Thanks.
lycanfan 1 year ago
@VincentKahrune a review is an opinion, unless it's God himself to review.
DungeonsItalia 1 year ago
AD&D 1e is the best. problem solved.
ZachariasClub 1 year ago
Uhhhh???? Yes 4e *IS* D&D (not WoW). In fact D&D is whatever WotC says it is. I played D&D starting in the 70s with the white box set. It's way different from recent versions. Still, I'm not going to say 3.5 is not D&D just because D&D has changed over the years. Every time there is a change to any RPG (including online games) there is some subset of people who think it's the end of the world, yet somehow the world goes on. If you don't like 4e fine, but saying it isn't D&D is just dumb.
jabberwock11 1 year ago
@jabberwock11 you played OD&D! its completely apart from the "heart" of gygaxian rules!!!
ZachariasClub 1 year ago
whats so bad about having a little world of world of warcraft in there. i think over the years D&D and world of warcraft have played off eachother in some ways...
TheKrome777 1 year ago
@TheKrome777 I don't like WoW, that's my problem with it.
lycanfan 1 year ago
When 3rd edition came out, they were also going on about 3.5.. That's why I waited for 4th. Liked 1st edition, 2nd edition. Personally, although it seems sooo much more expensive, I still love 4th edition. Might I suggest house rules to balance out your game?
Markleberrytoast 1 year ago
why do i want to punch you in the face so badly
tyleratthegates 1 year ago
@tyleratthegates I don't know. Please don't try though, you'll hurt the internet.
lycanfan 1 year ago
The whole "I'm sophisticated" presentation and the goofy hand-gesture thing is pure fail.
bozzutoman 1 year ago
@bozzutoman "The whole "I'm sophisticated" presentation and the goofy hand-gesture thing is pure fail." What the hell are you talking about. I wasn't trying to be sophisticated. I was being honest.
lycanfan 1 year ago
@lycanfan — My comment wasn't about the content... I don't doubt the sincerity of your review, or the legitimacy of your objections to 4E. What irked me was the manner of presentation... the "armchair delivery" with haughty inflections of voice, and overly animated hand-gestures. — Now if this is your natural way of communicating, so be it, but that mannerism rubs me the wrong way. I guess we can just mark it down as an intrinsic penalty to our reaction roll by the Cosmic GM.
bozzutoman 1 year ago
@bozzutoman I can understand that (even though it is the way I normally speak). I have been trying to refine my delivery for my videos, and if you have any ideas, please tell me. I want my videos to reflect all the quality I can muster on such a low budget. BTW, kudos on your Cosmic GM line, that made my day.
lycanfan 1 year ago
I just want to say, as an unbiased person (I have played 3e and 4e evenly) I prefer 4e. I don't see why you are complaining about pidgeon holding, because if I had a level 5 character with level 1 everything...they woul suck...ass... and there basically is a ranged rogue now, the shadowy rougue. You have a biased opinion, because you are comparing old 3e, to new 4e. Also, each class has about 3-4 choices on what kind of class they will be. So calm yourself. Plus, the art work is better, bar none
chickamoo 2 years ago
Most of the art work is ripped straight out of the 3e books.
lycanfan 2 years ago
I disagree, I have seen most of the 3e art, not only does most of it suck in comparison to 4e, but the style of art is far different...once again, calm your self...
chickamoo 1 year ago
Martial Power 2 has plenty of ranged rogue options and more improvements comeout each month. And if you've only played WoW "once" you really can't compare the entirety of D&D to WoW, not enough current arguements to deflate that cliche... I think everyone says, and I quote, "D&D is... World of Warcraft."(insert exassperated sigh). Get off it already. If one more pop-culture expert uses this argument, I hold no faith for the future of society's intellectuals
TheFelony211662 2 years ago
I will admit that when I've played my DM's have REALLY limited me in what I could do with my Rogues and every time I tried to bust ranged my party would always bitch at me for not fulfilling my role as a striker. So I'll give you that my groups have negatively colored my vision on 4th Ed. As for the WoW thing: it really did feel like WoW to me. A hack 'n' slash heavy, overly gear oriented, combat fest. I wasn't trying to give into cliche.
lycanfan 2 years ago
I agree totally that the game has little built in RP value and is 100% hack n' slash miniatures combat. IMO that's a plus though. WoD games in particular frustrate me because I'm always having to stop my roleplay to roll some dice for something. I like the looser stance D&D takes. Obviously that doesn't work for everyone though.
n00bdragon 2 years ago
I agree with magnus652
americanwarrior32 2 years ago
There was a reason it only lasted 7 years. it had a .5...lol also it just got too broken too fix. oh and yah I rolled a crit, wait what I have to roll it again....LAME. Oh and try grappling in combat....need I say more?
Underleaf76 2 years ago
Having played every version of D&D and many other RPGs, the success and failure of any RPG is the D/GM who runs it. The additional rules that are coming out in PHB3, which opens the floor for hybrid characters. These hybrid character rules allow for a better multi-classing experience, rather than just dabbling in another class through the multi-classing feats in the PHB. Although it is neither the first nor second edition, the 4th Edition of D&D is growing on me with each passing book.
DragonmagRT 2 years ago
That's true, but the game still has to function on it's own.
lycanfan 2 years ago
7 years was not enough, 3E was probably the best combat rpg ive ever played. 4E was an utter peice of shit that was designed to appeal to dumbasses who shouldnt be playing in the first place
magnus652 2 years ago
I recently played it again. I had a great DM and the game was fun. Mostly do to his ability to craft a well told plot.
lycanfan 2 years ago
Actually, (and though I can understand where you 're coming from by alot of your points) 4th edition D&D is a mint of freash breath in comparison to the 3,5 version which was an utter messy crap of a retards', nerds' and worse of all munchkins' game...
FPietros 2 years ago
OK one I dis agree with you on, the cleric can be built to be more offensive without giving up the heals and buffs. I thought that was a great step forward.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
OK, but in general, I thought the game was fairly large misstep in terms of where D&D was going.
lycanfan 2 years ago
OK one last point you claim that the update from 2000-2007 wasn't long enough to work out the bugs of 3E. well 4E is less than 2 years old. they are fixing some problems like underpowered minions. give it time and if you have a major beef send it in to wizards so it can be improved. but give it time. I'll admit my 4e books are collecting dust right now but I'm keeping my eye on the new advances.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
Yeah, I'll admit that there hasn't been much time for improvement, but this is different. The issues with 3e were clunky rules (fixed, mostly, with errata), broken magic (which SHOULD'VE been fixed with errata), and an over emphasis on combat. 4e has problems inherent to it's design. Still, I am willing to give it more time. After all, I started with D&D, so I might as well give it another chance.
lycanfan 2 years ago
you're talking about the core mechanic?
yes someone rolls a d20 and says I think of a plan is not quite RPing but then again how do you determine the mood of the illithed you are proposing a trade with.
in the end I think it's one of the cases where people who play come to fight more often then not, so wizards gave the majority what they thought they wanted. not everyone would offer a pig to a dragon for the one bobble the local king requested instead of killing it.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
*illithid
I don't believe I did that.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
After playing 4th for nearly a year now i have decided to go back to 3.5. 4 was way to simple and lacks logic in its rules. While 3.5 does have some broken feats, 4.0 has completely broken powers. Today in my game one of the characters did nearly 200 points of damage on in 1 round. Broken!
kellystone84 2 years ago
200 damage? What level were you?
lycanfan 2 years ago
a level 8 rogue. He did critical 3 times in one round and he did use an action point to gain the extra two attacks but i still think it was not realistic and took the fun out of the game. I like challenge and using my brain when i fight something not hitting it with tons of damage. Its boring....Thats just my opinion.
kellystone84 2 years ago
Yeah.
lycanfan 2 years ago
3.5 does has flaws however but i think its generally a better system.
kellystone84 2 years ago
Oh I agree. Personally, I love 2nd ed the best, but 3.5 was great too.
lycanfan 2 years ago
@kellystone84
I must say that the idea behind configuring a character to do lots of damage does take a brain. But I do agree with what you have been saying in regards to a level eight rogue pumping out 200 damage AND dealing out action points just to get more. If you are making a character solely to do damage, you might be treating them like a character sheet instead of a real person/character. Which beats the point of roleplaying. We don't play RPGs to win. We play to roleplay.
rigdare 2 years ago
wish the people in my game understood that.
I'm there trying to bribe a halfling npc to give us (well more my guy) help and someone basically yelled shut up let's go fight stuff.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
Thanks for putting this up. I agree with this review. The only thing I disagree with is Clerics in 3e. They have the potential to beat out most other characters in melee combat, and are great for dealing some ranged spell-based pain. I like my heal/buff/beat-face-bot Cleric. <3
rigdare 2 years ago
True. Cleric were pretty versatile. I preferred either a Scout/Spell Thief Multi Class, or a Sorc/Rogue Multi Class. I never enjoyed playing healers/buffers.
lycanfan 2 years ago
D&D 4ed=D&D for dumbies!
Youngandhopeless69 2 years ago
Ha! Nice.
lycanfan 2 years ago
good review dude,you re not alone in thinking 4ed is bad, just look at all the other bad reviews on you tube ! happy gaming !
nozzer2002 2 years ago
Thanks! I shall run a game about dragons and golems made of necrotic marshmallow fluff. I will call it Ghostbusters: Now with paladins.
lycanfan 2 years ago
SHENANIGANS- You've never played FATAL!
BlackcladAngel 2 years ago
I may have only read the book, but that is MORE than enough.
lycanfan 2 years ago
Looking at the cover, I have seen enough.
IRJ53I 2 years ago
Yeah. That shit just ain't right.
lycanfan 2 years ago