religion has no clear definition. the idea of religion has been around for ages. in a sense atheism is a religion in that they believe that there is no god. and honestly nobody has yet proven that there is no supernatural being that controls us so saying there is no god has as much credibility as saying there isnt. Agnosticism on the other hand isnt a religion. they dont deny or state anything. they dont have a common belief, just a common acceptance of there lack of knowledge of the universe.
Tbh not trying to use Atheism as a religion as being an attack or anything but Religion is defined as either 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Or 2. Details of belief as taught or discussed. I guess the belief in a higher power is more of a faith. Also Religion simply means from doing something religiously meaning that its a practice so dont mean to burst your amusing bubble but in the technical accurate term, it is...
The confusion of atheism with religion reminds me of the confusion many people seem to have with the words "socialist" and "communist" which have actual definitions, but which seem in most converstions to merely mean "person I don't agree with". Is this an example of people trying to make words mean what they want them to mean (said the Chesshire cat)?
hey wait.. WHAT???? are you tryng to associate meditation and yoga with religion?? awww come on man!! yoga is a cultural thing... its just ancient that's all!! It cant be religious... just like kung-fu or any other martial arts.. they might have had connections with religion in the past but ... naa ... i can meditate and not care about any God or religion.
@Mirewood Ah, my apologies, on reading back you comments I can see that you weren't being challenging. I was mislead in my thinking since you write that bit about there being a 'flaw' in the logic. but on reading back again I can see what you meant. And I wasn't trying to argue with you, I guess this is just a subject which bring out the defensive in people a little too easily. My Bad. thank you for your replies.
@Mirewood so there are some religions who do not have a God (as you listed), but this doesn't alter the fact that atheism is not a religion. It's a lack of belief. It's not organised and there is no rule book on how to do it, or who can join in, it's simply an attitude. There is nothing to worship, or idolise, no congregation or ritualistic service. It's simple. It means you have a lack of belief. and that's what makes someone an atheist. Unlike your list, which are all based upon a belief.
@Mirewood I accept there is a difference in believing in God but not follwing a religion. I know plenty of people who believe in God (or Gods) but who don't follow a religion. They are not athiests. They are agnostic. An athiest does not believe in God / Gods. They have a lack of belief altogether. hence they are not religious, because there is no substance to base a religion around. There is no flaw in that logic.
Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is the lack of religious belief - so it can't be a religion. There are no hobbies, habbits or pre-requisists on being an atheist, it's not organised in any way.
Is Atheism a 'religion' or not.? Listed below are three valid ideologies.
MONARCHY - One Ruler.
DEMOCRACY - Many Rulers.
ANARCHY - No Rulers.
Q: are the three choices listed below valid religious stances?:
MONOTHEISM - One God.
POLYTHEISM - Many Gods.
ATHEISM - No Gods.
There are other choices not listed, but here's the point: Unless you're a child or a mental patient, you can't escape having a working theory on the tangible and the intangible. Is a lack of evidence 'evidence'?
@AtheistCanada i think you mean atheism is a religion like bald is a hair STYLE. you have a separate hair color even if you lack hair, you still had a hair color, so while atheism may be lacking a god(hair), but it is still definetly a style
According to you guys A religion is believing in a God or Gods.
A God is your master ... the individual or individuals that is most important to you.
If you believe in no God then you, humanity or another human is your most important individual or individuals . Therefore you are a humanist and Humanism is technically a religion
@LordUa437 Not really, Microevolution is the limited variation that takes place in a species or families complex gene pool or genome whereas Macroevolution is the postulate that says all life formed from earlier organized non-life and through some form of mutation, natural selection, and enormous amounts of time.
@LordUa437 I want to add something to my previous comment, I want to say that microevolution is the small variations, the on and offs of certain alleles of genes. So blue or brown eyes, etc, that overtime does not cause macroevolution which relies primarily on mutation. And no mutation ever I believe has added information to a gene, only has it removed or changed/moved about this information :)
@TheGrinningSkull Let's try to clear up macroevolution vs. microevolution. I'll add what I have to say then I would like you to explain some of the wording you chose.
Microevolution is the genetic variation in a population of organisms. This can come about by various means, we don't have to get into this, you have the interwebs, you can google it. The end result is a change in the gene frequencies previously noted in a population. This only happens at the species level.
@TheGrinningSkull Macroevolution is the genetic variation that can be seen at all levels. When you look at a “tree of life” you are essentially looking at a road map for macroevolution. Macroevolution can be summed up as the chain of microevolutionary events that can sometimes lead to species developing pre- or post- zygotic barriers, or becoming separate species by a biological standpoint. They are similar in the way that one is the sum of all parts and the other is simply a part.
@TheGrinningSkull They are similar in the way that one is the sum of all parts and the other is simply a part. One a holistic view of the process and one a much reduced, simplistic view of gene variation.
@TheGrinningSkull Some of the wording you used that I would like cleared up:
- Specifically what do you mean by limited in “Microevolution is the limited variation.” In the same statement, this only happens at a species level (not family). Species < Genus < Family. Did you have some sort of proof this can happen at a family level? Also some of the proof you denied macroevolution for is solely found in microevolution, please look into that.
@LordUa437 Have you ever heard of the 1920's ongoing fruit fly experiment that has been trying to evolve a fruit fly to a house fly, fruit flies have a fast reproductive cycle so they were best to use.
They have yet to add information to their gene however they did move genes about resulting in for example, the antennae taking place of the legs and vica versa etc.
@MusicG00d That is just conjecture. Science is about taking everything into account, not just trying to prove what suits people. I mean, Evolution is a failing theory IMO.
Science HAS to take everything into account otherwise it wouldn't be science.
You cannot prove that does NOT exist, therefore, you are taking it as a belief and faith, and that makes it as much of a religion in the sense that all the other religions are beliefs and faith
@TheGrinningSkull so a lack of a religion is a religion in itself? So I guess not collecting stamps is also a hobby in itself. Infact... I have been an avid non stamp collector for 33 years now!
@AtheistCanada I'm sure I went down this route with someone before and agreed that I was mistaken.
Yeah, I made this comment 5 months ago and it kinda looks silly but must it be brought up again? XD
I'm still a believer and that in my faith and in the research. Hey, you wouldn't have imagined neutrinos going faster than light now. Imagine someone said I'll believe when things go faster than light XD I wonder :p ...
@sideshowchad Again, I'm sure I went through all this with someone (more than 1) and how I took back this comment, but hey, I guess you'll keep attacking a moot point.
@TheGrinningSkull Sorry, I didn't see your retraction I apologize. That being said. Either you think I've attacked this before which I haven't or you are using the "you people" you, which is always dangerous. grouping people together in a you (atheist, christians, black people etc..) ussually comes across as bigotry whether intended or not.
I'm sorry too for the grouping, what I meant with "you" was the people who commented on my comment, I'm sure the same person wouldn't be repeating the same thing so I'm sorry for being so rude like that :)
@mrfwest, I guess that's just not me, I would rather accept the consequences instead of keeping it locked up inside of me slowly eating me apart like it used to be before they knew, the feeling was extremely unpleasant. They've actually called the cops on me to ask them can they kick me out, but the police told them they can't do that to me for something like that or till I turn 18.
@elsangre333 I'm sorry about your parents, that's a terrible thing to do. But know you are not alone, there are many others out there rejecting the brainwashing techniques of religion, being able to think freely is likely the most liberating feeling you can possibly have.
@mar504 yet there are other that seem to be joining religion. Why if religion is, supposedly to be extreme shit? What you are saying is double standard. I used to think like you but I came to realize the other way around too.
@HEC01 Actually, percentage wise there are more atheists and agnostics than there has ever been. As to why people keep joining... who knows... that's like asking "Why do people make bad decisions", it's not likely to end soon. I'm not sure what you mean about the double standard, what is it that I said that's a double standard?
@mar504 You said that there are other rejecting religion(stupid or no stupid reason) but at the same time the reality is that its counterpart is no innocent that its also losing adherents. It seems that religion will always exist as much as bad decisions, eh?
@HEC01 Yup, it will always be around. New religions are created all the time... just look at Scientology, it's a very new religion to fill that niche of people who want to believe that frozen aliens from other planets were flown here in big DC-8's and dumped them into volcanoes where they detonated a bunch of hydrogen bombs, when the souls tried to escape Lord Xenu brainwashed them and released them upon the human population. I mean, it's not like we can prove it didn't happen,so it must of
I am an atheist and my life had never been filled with more satisfactory! Tricking yourself into thinking there is a person watching every thing you do can lead into some deep paranoia problems. I remembered when my parents disclaimed me when I told them I was atheist, they are kicking me out as soon as I turn 18. Solely because of the fact that I am atheist, I'm 17 and a half, yeah think of how I'm feeling right now, knowing I won't have a home in 6 months. but it's not a problem, I still love
@elsangre333 that seems unnecessary. why dont you just say believe in god or what ever is needed to be said. that won't effect your beliefs in any way. maybe that's just your parents scare tatic.
Atheism is not a religion. An atheist is a person that does not believe in a God. That is it. It does not mean that they believe in anything else. Now people who are atheist tend to use science to defend their ideas and beliefs. It's just like Theism is not a religion. Jews, Christians, Muslims are "Theist" Just because you are a theist doesn't mean you believe in Jesus as God's son or Mohammed the Prophet.
@ejdf870 LOL .. so true!! Atheism wins!! :P that was smart .. smartness that comes from thinking for yourselves.. something those religious morons wont have
@bootylicification by that logic, you have faith that there are no unicorns without proof. Of course this is not accurate, because you are not the one suggesting that there are unicorns. Those people have the burden of proof, not you. Theists are the ones claiming god(s) exist; simply rejecting their claims isn't a faith-based concept.
Atheism is a Religion, because you believe, you have faith there is no God without proof. When you die, it is only then you see the truth.
Go back to the definition of faith. Faith is believing in something without proof. Religion is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. Therefore Atheism is a religion.
ATHEISTS ARE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IN GOD, INSTEAD THEY WASTE THEIR TIME ON FACEBOOK WRITING CRAP ABOUT WHAT THEY DID IN LIFE, AS THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO,THIS ONLY LEADS TO MISERY. THEY THINK WHAT SHALL WE WRITE TO FILL UP THE TIME AND OTHER SAD PEOPLE HAVE A LOOK.IF YOU NOTICE PEOPLE GO ON THERE AND THEIR LIFE ENDS MISERABLY SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE SO INFLUENCED ABOUT WHAT OTHER PPL THINK AND SAY THEY END UP TAKING THEIR OWN LIVES MOST ATHEISTS DON'T HAVE NO CONTROL OVER LIFE
@sunside31 Virtually all of my Facebook friends who comment about the current events of their life on their Facebook pages identify as religious. The atheist ones I know? Not nearly as many statements of their current events. Anecdotal evidence suggests that you're wrong.
As for the atheists have no control over life...and how is that different from believing in the existence of an "all powerful being who's word is the way"? At least, atheists have some control of their own lives.
@kingmystyk don't worry you will soon come to know of Allah facebook is bad full stop whatever religion you may be and thanks very much but i have more control over my life than you think, at least i know what i am on earth for as a test, man is made to make his own mistakes on earth and then we will be judged at the end and we all will not just me as you can see on my page not long left at all
@sunside31 I will not come to know of Allah except as the mythical god from the Qur'an who is very similar to the Judeo-Christian version. Remember that, if Abrahamic religions are right, I'll be seen by someone other than God/Allah at the gate, given my sentence from someone else, and dropped in whatever version of Hell is deemed appropriate.
It's ignorant to say Facebook is entirely bad. No religion here...
If your faith is true, your life is no more of a test than a determined coin toss...
@kingmystyk it is allah who sent the bible and torah but the ppl chose to believe allah god had partners and thats why in Islam we believe in 1 god the last religion for the whole of humanity no partners.The quran is the word of allah even scientists have converted to islam because with todays technology they have only found out how the earth was created when it was written in the quran 1400 yrs ago so it could not of been written by man,it is allahs words
@sunside31 Many scientists are deist, christian, hindu, etc. Does that mean they're all correct, too? Saying "I believe in God and science!" does not increase the validity of the claim that there is a God. Actually, saying such things shows that they don't believe in science, because science doesn't, and can't, comment on the truly supernatural. Claims have to be testable, falsifiable, and have evidence before science will even consider a claim. God is not even perceivable by humans.
@kingmystyk we will all come to know of Allah (fact), science cannot prove everything because they dont know everything, it is Allah who has created the earth and Allah knows what will happen, in the yrs to come you will find out exactly what i was going on about, do you really think ppl would kill themselves for Allah if Allah did not exist at the other end, that is to show Allah exists "Allah the lord of the worlds",do you see any other religions dying for their God
@sunside31 If science can't prove everything because science doesn't know everything (the one true fact of your statement), then how do you manage to prove your assertion that a deity exists? Nice corner to walk into...
As for the rest of that garbage: lol...that's just ridiculous. Many of us are unfit to enter heaven, under religious doctrine. We won't be able to know God/Allah from Hell, so that debunks your "we will all come to know" claim. Unless you're saying God is in Hell, or will be? lol
@kingmystyk so you must think u were created by dna, Inside cells are jam-packed with power plants, automated workshops and recycling units. No such system could arise in a blind, step-by-step Darwinian process.The most advanced, automated factory, with its computers and robots all coordinated on a timed schedule, is less complex than the inner workings of a single cell."A bacterium is far more complex than any inanimate system known to man.
For this conversation, what I believe doesn't really matter. Can you justify a belief in a deity? Evidence, reasoned sound argument, and the like for such a being?
You should know, however, that the "power plants, automated workshops..." are just metaphors for processes that occur so people generally get the concepts. Why can't such systems arise naturally? Do you have evidence debunking evolution? Such claims need strong evidence to support them and debunk Evo.
@kingmystyk you only have one chance in this worldly life like Allah says “Those who reject our ayaat, We shall gradually seize them with punishment in ways they percieve not. And I respite them certainly my scheme [kaydi] is strong” (al A’raaf 7:182) and whatever i say you will never believe like it says the disbelievers will never believe, until you see it with your own eyes and then it will be too late.
@kingmystyk Charles Darwin, observed the finches(birds) on the Galapagos Islands for the 1st time in the mid 1850s. He noticed on each island the birds had different shaped beaks according to the type of food on their island. he assumed the birds had progressed over millions of yrs, only the hardiest of the species had survived the climate/ vegetation changes. However, this is totally inaccurate and was dismissed as a mere humor in a TV series on the educational channel in October of 1998.
@sunside31 Oh, and as for the Darwin remarks, Darwin did not come up with the theory of evolution on his own. It's been around for centuries, Darwin added the method by which evolution works, which is natural selection, and that's why he's such a big deal. Of course, science doesn't just take his word on it, there have been metaphorical mountains of evidence that supports the general model that he presented, and that others later revised. The massive amount of evidence agrees with evolution...
@kingmystyk what massive amount of evidence, Allah Almighty created humans and animals from Earth's dust: "From the (earth) did We Create you, and into it Shall We return you, And from it shall We Bring you out once again. (The Noble Quran, 20:55)" and we all know we have to go one day,
@kingmystyk and whatever you say about evo i still know Allah created you until the day comes when it says "We will show them our proofs in the horizons, and within themselves, until they realize that this is the truth. Is your Lord not sufficient as a witness of all things? The Holy Quran 41:53.
@sunside31 0.o Whatever... Go to TalkOrigins. org and you can look up the info about evolution.
Since your Allah is Abraham's God, The God Delusion: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
@kingmystyk oh yeah and i forgot to mention Abraham even hated the jews like it says In chapter 29, verse 16, “And Abraham, when he said to his people: ‘Worship God and be wary of Him, that is better for you, should you know. Infact, instead of God you worship idols, and you invent a lie. Indeed those whom you worship besides God have no control over your provision. So seek all (your) provision from God, and worship Him and thank Him, and to Him you shall be brought back’.”
@sunside31 Who cares if Abraham did or didn't hate the Jews? Are you endorsing hatred of another race because of their race or religion? If so, then obviously Islam isn't the "religion of peace" bullshit that it touts all over the place. If not, then why even bring it up? Other than being hateful, it's utterly pointless. Also, that doesn't disprove evolution, or prove creationism, nor does it prove that atheists are the way you say they are. Why do you even continue to post?? ...
@kingmystyk According to the scientists’ discoveries in that very same year, the effects of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino, the climate on these same exact islands had drastically changed in a single year within a number of months. And to their surprise, the eggs of the finches on each island hatched open producing birds with beaks already altered to accommodate the changes of their environment.
@sunside31 So, you accept that mutation occurs? Great...how does that discount evolution? Of course, this is assuming that you have, or are relaying, the story accurately with what happened. There's a lot of news locations that obfuscate or oversimplify things in order to make the story more lively and interesting.
@kingmystyk There is not a laboratory in the world which can compete with the biochemical activity of the smallest living organism. 1 cell is more complicated than the largest computer that man has ever made." -God says in the Holy Quran "And say: Praise be to Allah Who will show you His portents so that ye shall know them. And thy Lord is not unaware of what ye (mortals) do.(27:39
@sunside31 That's one huge leaped interpretation of what you think the Quran says. Simply put, unless you have evidence to support your claim that such a deity exists, there's no reason to believe it. Since you nor it can or will demonstrate its existence, there's no rational reason to believe such a thing exists until it can be proved, or even have a non-fallacious cogent argument presented.
Ask an Atheist why there are problems in the world and he blames religion. Ask a christian and they blame Satan. So if Satan is Lucifer and Freemasonry is a pyramid that leads to devil worship then Atheist Don't understand the Illuminati. Fair?? So if Christians fear Satan and small satanic groups of high ranking Freemasons are the Illuminati then Atheist are wrong to blame Christians for the world problems and ultimately Atheism is the direct oppression and in the end they are the Evil.
Al, you believe in God. You became a DMV when you became an Atheist, so you could issue yourself a license to sin and drive your human vehicle around in society with no moral compass. You are now a holy Atheist. You can't sin. You have just presented the fundamentals of your BELIEF SYSTEM to us with your whole heart, soul, mind and strength & are willing to love your neighbor in your own immoral way as much as you immorally love yourself. Its definitely a religion colored black you have chosen
I guess none of the atheists speaking here are Americans. In America, in August of 2005, atheists took this question to the Supreme Court arguing that it IS a religion and won. So, atheists in America got what they wanted - Atheism is a religion. Now what is happening here? American atheists find themselves at odds with their fellow worshipers around the world. Interesting how they seem to want it both ways. Also interesting - is the advantage this gives them over theists.
atheism is just the opposite of theism, atheists say theism is faith without proof but then atheism is also just faith without proof. that is they believe there is no God but without any actual proof either. of course the funny thing is those extreme atheist trying to disprove God are still constantly thinking about God. . . . . hahahahaha
Being anti-religious is the same thing as being religious. Cause you're basing your whole philosophy on the criticisms of religion. You base your existence on what religion isn't smh
Tell an Atheist that Evolution is bullshit and see them get all defensive and emotional...the same way if you were to tell a Christian Jesus doesn't exist. Atheist have prophets. Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Dawkins. And what do they do? Have theoretical formulas (religious moralism) for people to obey and follow
Atheism is not a belief and it's not a religion. It's just you stating that you believe in what there's evidence for, and you watch and observe and change your opinion according to it. The majority of atheists think the big bang is how it all went down, but we adjust our views on HOW the big bang happened, and how the planets, stars and so on work and get created, We watch and observe and listen to reason and evidence to make a reasonable conclusion
Maybe babies also have a mental illness until they are cured with the dogma whatever supernatural god(s) belief(s)/religion(s) their parents have and/or are prevalent in the society in which they are born.
Maybe there are/where societies where the whole of the society is/was mentally ill because they didn't/don't have some supernatural belief.
Maybe those who just don't belief in the right god are mentally ill which would include all atheists.
Actually, the only difference between "religion" and atheism, is that atheism is not a religion in the classical sense of going to church and stuff like that. But what does make atheism a religion is the idea that there is no higher deity or powerful force that has the right to boss us around, meaning that we're the ones that rule and justify what's right and wrong. So in a sense, atheism is a pagan faith, it worships materialism, the only difference being the classical "religious" difference.
I agree and disagree - I concede that we, in becoming atheist, nominate ourselves as the justifiers of right and wrong for our own actions. But to say it's a religion is a little far fetched - There is no dogma, or heirarchy - we have no hymns or special days. If someone doesn't celebrate Christmas it doesn't mean they celebrate Kwanzaa - It might mean that I just want to save money.
And isn't materialism all that matters LOL - just a lil joke.
Thats right,atheism is simply "without god" but this is a bias term if you ask me,the believers make us out to be an enemy of religion,a bias system which believes in god created the definition of atheism,we dont worship anything so i dont understand how it is a religion? We are using these terms too broadly now a days,we have to draw the line somewhere.Atheism is the disbelief,or to deny,then when you define the definitions of atheism it is clearly not a religion at all.
@AfterFauve001 Richard Dawkins is the pope of atheism? (that's right, no capital A in atheism) Does it hurt when you pull these statements out of your arse?
"just because his lectures were removed from youtube doesn't mean they no longer resemble a high holy mass, with poetry song and testimonials".
... (I forgot to add) with born again atheists, the pathological rationalism that has replaced empirical research, propaganda (dogma), and being chewed out for spelling"a"theism with a lower case "A" - your the first to do the opposite.
This is probably one of the most farcical and cowardice things I've read.
"My friend does exist and what you're saying does not match up because I choose not to see it"
Let me ask you, a christian (assuming), a question: What do you do on Sunday?
Now ask me this.
No I do not go to Atheist church. I do not knock on doors to sell my atheism. Richard Dawkins would be a mentor, he has admitted that he does NOT know - unlike your priest.
@newloser on Sundays I fuck witches, great deductible logic, very theological of you. I disagree with you there for I must be what you hate.
science has patterns that allow us to correctly establish if fossilized bones were a predator, where and when a super nova will appear but some how it doesn't apply to sociology where Evangelical Dawkinite Atheists are concerned.
if it looks, walks & quacks like a duck its a duck, unless Dawkins says otherwise?
Dawkins being compared to a fundamental christian is insulting.
And I don't hate you. It's too much effort to do so.
Dawkins does not say that you will be going to a scary science hell nor does he care if you worship piss - but when matters of state are intermingled with that of religion - then there is where he/we must draw the line. Jesus exists to you - keep it that way. Don't get your jesus in my science please.
what is the difference in spending an eternity in Hell or a life time in a religious wasteland nightmare? not to much as far as I can see, if your life sucks it sucks, & claiming that a million years of evolutionary violence can be greatly reduced if not completely eliminated just by converting to his form of Atheism is a pretty faithful claim.
and backing it up with song poetry & teary eyed testimonials is not subjective or empirical research.
@newloser - So when the Christian fundies do it, it's bad, when the Dawkin's fundies do it its good.
How is secular reductionism that ignores root laws of Quantum Mechanics, Fractal Geometry and String theory better than saying the Earth was created in 7- 24 hour periods?
its still putting reality into a convenient little box and using clever dialog to justify it.
That is not defending science, that's using the term science to justify your faith, its all ready been done with Christian Science.
@newloser Oh yes forgot to add - you tube is the atheist church and posting Dawkins Dogma unsolicited on the comments of non atheist videos is worse than knocking on doors.
You make a false assumption putting all "Atheists" in the same catagory - this is a gross mistake - perhaps it is because you are a theist. Atheists do not share all beliefs, just the agreement that there is no god/gods - after that fact we could very well disagree on everything else.
My life doesn't suck - it's actually very pleasant without the aid of a spiritual following. What is the difference you ask between the two made-up places? Nothing.
@newloser I take back "Atheists", I meant Dawkinites.- Difference in beliefs? they use the exact same catch phrases and dogma to sing Dawkins praises, science forbid some one call the man out for what he is - a profit making cult leader. Wasn't referring to your life, but everyone's life sucks until we ALL become atheists for then the world will just naturally become rational & peaceful as shown, by Communism and Marxism, oops forgot not suppose to acknowledge that happened, not very PC of me.
@klyydsdalePreach: oration by a prophet/clergy addressing theological, religious, moral topic, usually expounding on a type of belief, law or behavior. Preaching include exposition, exhortation and practical application. Explanation: set of statements constructed to describe a set of facts which clarifies the causes, context, and consequences of those facts, may establish rules or laws, and may clarify the existing ones in relation to any objects, or phenomena examined. who's preaching?
What the term atheism means. Like all words what men speak. Being a atheist is nothing special. Is it special to being yourself and do what you normally do in live?
How stupid can people be to think atheism is a religion? Atheist just don't believe in god.
That's it nothing special! Atheism believe more in fact then a book that's said that's writen by a almighty thingy spirit
there is only one sensible line to take with the question of a god(s) and that is doubt, you cannot possibly know the answer otherwise it would be proveable one way or the other, even dawkins never states "i know that there is no god" such a sentence would be ridiculous to any scientist and most atheists, but faith is just a cute word for BELIEF WITHOUT EVIDENCE, this is a extremely negative and dangerous mindset to exist in, it serves as the psycological soil for lies to take root.
How can one believe without evidence? they do have their-own subjective basis of information that they consider as evidence, such as emotional state of mind, they feel presence of something, personal experience that they take as evidence of supernatural etc.... Belief and knowledge is the result of cognitive process based upon given information, if you ask me the only thing that i certain/knowledge about is my own existence, other than that is all speculations and beliefs...
Atheism is a religion if I have ever seen one. Take the Atheistic Alliance. The have meetings, conventions, books, and even a leader, Dawkins. All for something they can't prove but only have faith that there is no God.
But you can have a religion without meetings, conventions, books or leaders. So that doesn't make any sense. Those things aren't religions, they are organisations.
The Atheistic Alliance sounds rubbish anyway. It doesn't consist of every atheist in the same way that the Westborough Baptist Church doesn't consist of every Christian.
Well, I would say you are more of agnostic. Open to the possibility the a Creator exist. Wouldn't you say? Atheism is plain foolishness. So, if you are open, do your own study if God exist and come to your own conclusion.
Technically I am right and you are wrong. Do you like that? Don't make up your own terms or definitions of words. I think in your case it is called confused
Hmm, well i consider it myself this way. Agnostic is someone who just simply dosent know. what to think about it. Atheist is someone who thinks that its highly unlikely that god exsists. Those absolute atheists probably do exsist somewhere, but most of pepole are probably still open to the idea, but are pretty sure there isnt aa god. Kinda like me
Atheism is not a religion. Why? Atheism is the simple lack of belief in a god. What you are is something that is used interchangalby with atheism, but has no real word. 'Anti-theism' is the closest I can think of. You believe there is no god. Which is a belief, and will, with time, become a religion. Atheism, on the other hand, is simply the lack of belief in a god. Buddhists are usually atheists. Confusionists can be atheist, as well as daoists. You can be all four at once.
Atheist have faith that their is no god, just like theist have faith that their is. Athiest think their right and moral and smarter than theist, Just like theist think their right and moral and smarter than Atheist. Atheist believe that atheist should be in control of the government, Just like theist believe that theist should be in control of the government. See just alike.
@airplaneking yep just alike. Theirs nothing wrong with being an atheist, just like theirs nothing wrong with being a theist, but their is something wrong with fanatically pushing your beliefs on others.
More importantly, their mistaken belief that their lefty brand of atheism is the most advanced philosophy in the world causes them to ignore, or outright reject, the actual #1 philosophy and worldview: transhumanism. Transhumanism is the only philosophy that applies reason to aging, death, and the limitations of the human condition in general, and gives science and technology the support and respect they deserve, for without them we would and will be nothing.
They combine, more or less by default, lefty PC liberalism with atheism, and pretend it's some kind of unified worldview, and the cutting edge of rational thought. Left liberalism is far from a rational ideology, however; its dogmas and taboos regarding things like race & IQ, immigration, white guilt, multiculturalism, and radical environmentalism are just as oppressive and insane as those of any religion.
Atheism may not be a religion, but it certainly is a worldview, lifestyle, and (primary) identity for many atheists, especially in countries where atheism is still controversial. Now, this would be fine & dandy if atheism were a (reasonably) complete worldview, and the most advanced worldview. Unfortunately, it's neither. It's just the rejection of god(s). This, however, doesn't prevent atheists from acting as if it actually were a complete and sophisticated philosophy.
There is no law against genocide in Atheism.. no law against pedophilia in Atheism... no law against making hoaxes of missing links... and no requirement other than rejection of the best explanation for existence and the origin of laws of nature, either. Darwin Day is the equivalent of a holiday for some Atheists.
Darwin's writings, and Dawkins', and other Atheists' are equivalents of scriptures, though they are not regarded as infallible (by some- not all- atheists). Darwin is like a prophet.
ha ha,.Atheism is not a religion. I don't play any sport. That doesn't mean I play something called non-sport.
bogati143 6 days ago
religion has no clear definition. the idea of religion has been around for ages. in a sense atheism is a religion in that they believe that there is no god. and honestly nobody has yet proven that there is no supernatural being that controls us so saying there is no god has as much credibility as saying there isnt. Agnosticism on the other hand isnt a religion. they dont deny or state anything. they dont have a common belief, just a common acceptance of there lack of knowledge of the universe.
paulinotou 1 week ago
I saw the title, I paused the video at 0:01 and I commented:
"No, dumbass. It's life WITHOUT religion."
VaguelyErected 1 month ago
Tbh not trying to use Atheism as a religion as being an attack or anything but Religion is defined as either 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Or 2. Details of belief as taught or discussed. I guess the belief in a higher power is more of a faith. Also Religion simply means from doing something religiously meaning that its a practice so dont mean to burst your amusing bubble but in the technical accurate term, it is...
GuerillaTacticz 1 month ago
The confusion of atheism with religion reminds me of the confusion many people seem to have with the words "socialist" and "communist" which have actual definitions, but which seem in most converstions to merely mean "person I don't agree with". Is this an example of people trying to make words mean what they want them to mean (said the Chesshire cat)?
txvoltaire 2 months ago
Atheism isn't a religion, it's just a synonym for smart.
TheExploitedNirvana 2 months ago
@TheExploitedNirvana nice one ^^
OwNeD05 2 months ago
hey wait.. WHAT???? are you tryng to associate meditation and yoga with religion?? awww come on man!! yoga is a cultural thing... its just ancient that's all!! It cant be religious... just like kung-fu or any other martial arts.. they might have had connections with religion in the past but ... naa ... i can meditate and not care about any God or religion.
tarun1982 3 months ago
@Mirewood Ah, my apologies, on reading back you comments I can see that you weren't being challenging. I was mislead in my thinking since you write that bit about there being a 'flaw' in the logic. but on reading back again I can see what you meant. And I wasn't trying to argue with you, I guess this is just a subject which bring out the defensive in people a little too easily. My Bad. thank you for your replies.
vicrimes 3 months ago
@Mirewood so there are some religions who do not have a God (as you listed), but this doesn't alter the fact that atheism is not a religion. It's a lack of belief. It's not organised and there is no rule book on how to do it, or who can join in, it's simply an attitude. There is nothing to worship, or idolise, no congregation or ritualistic service. It's simple. It means you have a lack of belief. and that's what makes someone an atheist. Unlike your list, which are all based upon a belief.
vicrimes 3 months ago
@Mirewood I accept there is a difference in believing in God but not follwing a religion. I know plenty of people who believe in God (or Gods) but who don't follow a religion. They are not athiests. They are agnostic. An athiest does not believe in God / Gods. They have a lack of belief altogether. hence they are not religious, because there is no substance to base a religion around. There is no flaw in that logic.
vicrimes 3 months ago
Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is the lack of religious belief - so it can't be a religion. There are no hobbies, habbits or pre-requisists on being an atheist, it's not organised in any way.
vicrimes 3 months ago
Is Atheism a 'religion' or not.? Listed below are three valid ideologies.
MONARCHY - One Ruler.
DEMOCRACY - Many Rulers.
ANARCHY - No Rulers.
Q: are the three choices listed below valid religious stances?:
MONOTHEISM - One God.
POLYTHEISM - Many Gods.
ATHEISM - No Gods.
There are other choices not listed, but here's the point: Unless you're a child or a mental patient, you can't escape having a working theory on the tangible and the intangible. Is a lack of evidence 'evidence'?
JustinSepheren 6 months ago
Being an atheist is like being homophobic
michele7307 6 months ago
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@michele7307 "Being an atheist is like being homophobic "
Explain this. It makes no sense.
moopism 3 months ago
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Atheism is a religion... and bald is a hair colour.
AtheistCanada 7 months ago
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AtheistCanada 7 months ago
@AtheistCanada i think you mean atheism is a religion like bald is a hair STYLE. you have a separate hair color even if you lack hair, you still had a hair color, so while atheism may be lacking a god(hair), but it is still definetly a style
ghjklasdf1000 4 months ago
You nailed it, Albert!--OUTSTANDING video!
Congratulations and Thank you!
FreeFavl 7 months ago
To not be a religion, it sure is preached a lot (Despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is a religion, regardless of why)
kheroot 7 months ago
According to you guys A religion is believing in a God or Gods.
A God is your master ... the individual or individuals that is most important to you.
If you believe in no God then you, humanity or another human is your most important individual or individuals . Therefore you are a humanist and Humanism is technically a religion
ZackAttack261 7 months ago
@MusicG00d I can understand your point a bit, tell me then why macroevolution is true? What causes macroevolution?
TheGrinningSkull 9 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull Macro evolution is just micro evolution over a very long period of time.
LordUa437 8 months ago
@LordUa437 Not really, Microevolution is the limited variation that takes place in a species or families complex gene pool or genome whereas Macroevolution is the postulate that says all life formed from earlier organized non-life and through some form of mutation, natural selection, and enormous amounts of time.
TheGrinningSkull 8 months ago
@LordUa437 I want to add something to my previous comment, I want to say that microevolution is the small variations, the on and offs of certain alleles of genes. So blue or brown eyes, etc, that overtime does not cause macroevolution which relies primarily on mutation. And no mutation ever I believe has added information to a gene, only has it removed or changed/moved about this information :)
TheGrinningSkull 8 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull Let's try to clear up macroevolution vs. microevolution. I'll add what I have to say then I would like you to explain some of the wording you chose.
Microevolution is the genetic variation in a population of organisms. This can come about by various means, we don't have to get into this, you have the interwebs, you can google it. The end result is a change in the gene frequencies previously noted in a population. This only happens at the species level.
To be cont.
LordUa437 8 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull Macroevolution is the genetic variation that can be seen at all levels. When you look at a “tree of life” you are essentially looking at a road map for macroevolution. Macroevolution can be summed up as the chain of microevolutionary events that can sometimes lead to species developing pre- or post- zygotic barriers, or becoming separate species by a biological standpoint. They are similar in the way that one is the sum of all parts and the other is simply a part.
LordUa437 8 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull They are similar in the way that one is the sum of all parts and the other is simply a part. One a holistic view of the process and one a much reduced, simplistic view of gene variation.
LordUa437 8 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull Some of the wording you used that I would like cleared up:
- Specifically what do you mean by limited in “Microevolution is the limited variation.” In the same statement, this only happens at a species level (not family). Species < Genus < Family. Did you have some sort of proof this can happen at a family level? Also some of the proof you denied macroevolution for is solely found in microevolution, please look into that.
LordUa437 8 months ago
@LordUa437 "Did you have some sort of proof this can happen at a family level"
What do you mean by this?
" Also some of the proof you denied macroevolution for is solely found in microevolution, please look into that."
Again, can you elaborate on this please?
Thank you :)
TheGrinningSkull 8 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull The point of both of those statement where intended to have YOU elaborate on your previous comments.
LordUa437 8 months ago
@LordUa437 Have you ever heard of the 1920's ongoing fruit fly experiment that has been trying to evolve a fruit fly to a house fly, fruit flies have a fast reproductive cycle so they were best to use.
They have yet to add information to their gene however they did move genes about resulting in for example, the antennae taking place of the legs and vica versa etc.
TheGrinningSkull 8 months ago
@MusicG00d That is just conjecture. Science is about taking everything into account, not just trying to prove what suits people. I mean, Evolution is a failing theory IMO.
Science HAS to take everything into account otherwise it wouldn't be science.
TheGrinningSkull 9 months ago
I'll tell you why atheism is a religion:
You cannot prove that does NOT exist, therefore, you are taking it as a belief and faith, and that makes it as much of a religion in the sense that all the other religions are beliefs and faith
TheGrinningSkull 9 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull That's not how religion is defined....
DonutDazzler 8 months ago
@DonutDazzler Well then define it for me good sir :)
TheGrinningSkull 8 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull so a lack of a religion is a religion in itself? So I guess not collecting stamps is also a hobby in itself. Infact... I have been an avid non stamp collector for 33 years now!
AtheistCanada 4 months ago
@AtheistCanada I'm sure I went down this route with someone before and agreed that I was mistaken.
Yeah, I made this comment 5 months ago and it kinda looks silly but must it be brought up again? XD
I'm still a believer and that in my faith and in the research. Hey, you wouldn't have imagined neutrinos going faster than light now. Imagine someone said I'll believe when things go faster than light XD I wonder :p ...
TheGrinningSkull 4 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull You can not prove that leprechauns do not exist. you are taking it as a belief. Is not believing in leprechauns your religion?
sideshowchad 3 months ago
@sideshowchad Again, I'm sure I went through all this with someone (more than 1) and how I took back this comment, but hey, I guess you'll keep attacking a moot point.
TheGrinningSkull 3 months ago
@TheGrinningSkull Sorry, I didn't see your retraction I apologize. That being said. Either you think I've attacked this before which I haven't or you are using the "you people" you, which is always dangerous. grouping people together in a you (atheist, christians, black people etc..) ussually comes across as bigotry whether intended or not.
sideshowchad 3 months ago
@sideshowchad Apology accepted :)
I'm sorry too for the grouping, what I meant with "you" was the people who commented on my comment, I'm sure the same person wouldn't be repeating the same thing so I'm sorry for being so rude like that :)
TheGrinningSkull 3 months ago
An athiests admits it. Finally.
ThomasWinkworth 9 months ago
@mrfwest, I guess that's just not me, I would rather accept the consequences instead of keeping it locked up inside of me slowly eating me apart like it used to be before they knew, the feeling was extremely unpleasant. They've actually called the cops on me to ask them can they kick me out, but the police told them they can't do that to me for something like that or till I turn 18.
elsangre333 9 months ago
@elsangre333 I'm sorry about your parents, that's a terrible thing to do. But know you are not alone, there are many others out there rejecting the brainwashing techniques of religion, being able to think freely is likely the most liberating feeling you can possibly have.
mar504 9 months ago
@mar504 yet there are other that seem to be joining religion. Why if religion is, supposedly to be extreme shit? What you are saying is double standard. I used to think like you but I came to realize the other way around too.
HEC01 9 months ago
@HEC01 Actually, percentage wise there are more atheists and agnostics than there has ever been. As to why people keep joining... who knows... that's like asking "Why do people make bad decisions", it's not likely to end soon. I'm not sure what you mean about the double standard, what is it that I said that's a double standard?
mar504 9 months ago
@mar504 You said that there are other rejecting religion(stupid or no stupid reason) but at the same time the reality is that its counterpart is no innocent that its also losing adherents. It seems that religion will always exist as much as bad decisions, eh?
HEC01 9 months ago
@HEC01 Yup, it will always be around. New religions are created all the time... just look at Scientology, it's a very new religion to fill that niche of people who want to believe that frozen aliens from other planets were flown here in big DC-8's and dumped them into volcanoes where they detonated a bunch of hydrogen bombs, when the souls tried to escape Lord Xenu brainwashed them and released them upon the human population. I mean, it's not like we can prove it didn't happen,so it must of
mar504 9 months ago
them very much, and those are the consequences I'm willing to accept to live my life as a human being instead of a mindless sheep.
elsangre333 9 months ago
I am an atheist and my life had never been filled with more satisfactory! Tricking yourself into thinking there is a person watching every thing you do can lead into some deep paranoia problems. I remembered when my parents disclaimed me when I told them I was atheist, they are kicking me out as soon as I turn 18. Solely because of the fact that I am atheist, I'm 17 and a half, yeah think of how I'm feeling right now, knowing I won't have a home in 6 months. but it's not a problem, I still love
elsangre333 9 months ago
@elsangre333 that seems unnecessary. why dont you just say believe in god or what ever is needed to be said. that won't effect your beliefs in any way. maybe that's just your parents scare tatic.
mrfwest 9 months ago
No. It's not. :DD That's it! :)))
EterniteeParaSi 9 months ago
this guy seems like a real faggot.
Chaytup 10 months ago
@Chaytup LOL - Thanks very much for sharing your intelligent and mature thoughts,
corpsemunger 10 months ago
@corpsemunger LOL - You're welcome,
Chaytup 10 months ago
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Atheism is not a religion. An atheist is a person that does not believe in a God. That is it. It does not mean that they believe in anything else. Now people who are atheist tend to use science to defend their ideas and beliefs. It's just like Theism is not a religion. Jews, Christians, Muslims are "Theist" Just because you are a theist doesn't mean you believe in Jesus as God's son or Mohammed the Prophet.
daniboi87 10 months ago
If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
ejdf870 11 months ago 8
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@ejdf870
Ateism is a religion.
atheists are extremely devoted to three deities - tongue, stomach and genitals.
Your deities order you to serve them - bring tasty food for stomach and tongue and provide sex for genitals -
and you work hard day and night to serve your Masters.
so atheists are the most religious people.
Caesar88888 8 months ago
@ejdf870 LOL .. so true!! Atheism wins!! :P that was smart .. smartness that comes from thinking for yourselves.. something those religious morons wont have
tarun1982 3 months ago
Sure Atheism is a religion! Just like not collecting stamps is a hobby, or not smoking is a habit!
PkerWhomerang 11 months ago 3
@bootylicification by that logic, you have faith that there are no unicorns without proof. Of course this is not accurate, because you are not the one suggesting that there are unicorns. Those people have the burden of proof, not you. Theists are the ones claiming god(s) exist; simply rejecting their claims isn't a faith-based concept.
93RebelSon 1 year ago
Atheism is a Religion, because you believe, you have faith there is no God without proof. When you die, it is only then you see the truth.
Go back to the definition of faith. Faith is believing in something without proof. Religion is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. Therefore Atheism is a religion.
bootylicification 1 year ago
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93RebelSon 1 year ago
ATHEISTS ARE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IN GOD, INSTEAD THEY WASTE THEIR TIME ON FACEBOOK WRITING CRAP ABOUT WHAT THEY DID IN LIFE, AS THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO,THIS ONLY LEADS TO MISERY. THEY THINK WHAT SHALL WE WRITE TO FILL UP THE TIME AND OTHER SAD PEOPLE HAVE A LOOK.IF YOU NOTICE PEOPLE GO ON THERE AND THEIR LIFE ENDS MISERABLY SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE SO INFLUENCED ABOUT WHAT OTHER PPL THINK AND SAY THEY END UP TAKING THEIR OWN LIVES MOST ATHEISTS DON'T HAVE NO CONTROL OVER LIFE
sunside31 1 year ago
@sunside31 the caps lock is stuck
Hypastpist 11 months ago
@sunside31 Virtually all of my Facebook friends who comment about the current events of their life on their Facebook pages identify as religious. The atheist ones I know? Not nearly as many statements of their current events. Anecdotal evidence suggests that you're wrong.
As for the atheists have no control over life...and how is that different from believing in the existence of an "all powerful being who's word is the way"? At least, atheists have some control of their own lives.
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk don't worry you will soon come to know of Allah facebook is bad full stop whatever religion you may be and thanks very much but i have more control over my life than you think, at least i know what i am on earth for as a test, man is made to make his own mistakes on earth and then we will be judged at the end and we all will not just me as you can see on my page not long left at all
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 I will not come to know of Allah except as the mythical god from the Qur'an who is very similar to the Judeo-Christian version. Remember that, if Abrahamic religions are right, I'll be seen by someone other than God/Allah at the gate, given my sentence from someone else, and dropped in whatever version of Hell is deemed appropriate.
It's ignorant to say Facebook is entirely bad. No religion here...
If your faith is true, your life is no more of a test than a determined coin toss...
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk it is allah who sent the bible and torah but the ppl chose to believe allah god had partners and thats why in Islam we believe in 1 god the last religion for the whole of humanity no partners.The quran is the word of allah even scientists have converted to islam because with todays technology they have only found out how the earth was created when it was written in the quran 1400 yrs ago so it could not of been written by man,it is allahs words
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 Many scientists are deist, christian, hindu, etc. Does that mean they're all correct, too? Saying "I believe in God and science!" does not increase the validity of the claim that there is a God. Actually, saying such things shows that they don't believe in science, because science doesn't, and can't, comment on the truly supernatural. Claims have to be testable, falsifiable, and have evidence before science will even consider a claim. God is not even perceivable by humans.
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk we will all come to know of Allah (fact), science cannot prove everything because they dont know everything, it is Allah who has created the earth and Allah knows what will happen, in the yrs to come you will find out exactly what i was going on about, do you really think ppl would kill themselves for Allah if Allah did not exist at the other end, that is to show Allah exists "Allah the lord of the worlds",do you see any other religions dying for their God
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 If science can't prove everything because science doesn't know everything (the one true fact of your statement), then how do you manage to prove your assertion that a deity exists? Nice corner to walk into...
As for the rest of that garbage: lol...that's just ridiculous. Many of us are unfit to enter heaven, under religious doctrine. We won't be able to know God/Allah from Hell, so that debunks your "we will all come to know" claim. Unless you're saying God is in Hell, or will be? lol
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk so you must think u were created by dna, Inside cells are jam-packed with power plants, automated workshops and recycling units. No such system could arise in a blind, step-by-step Darwinian process.The most advanced, automated factory, with its computers and robots all coordinated on a timed schedule, is less complex than the inner workings of a single cell."A bacterium is far more complex than any inanimate system known to man.
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 "so you must think..."
For this conversation, what I believe doesn't really matter. Can you justify a belief in a deity? Evidence, reasoned sound argument, and the like for such a being?
You should know, however, that the "power plants, automated workshops..." are just metaphors for processes that occur so people generally get the concepts. Why can't such systems arise naturally? Do you have evidence debunking evolution? Such claims need strong evidence to support them and debunk Evo.
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk you only have one chance in this worldly life like Allah says “Those who reject our ayaat, We shall gradually seize them with punishment in ways they percieve not. And I respite them certainly my scheme [kaydi] is strong” (al A’raaf 7:182) and whatever i say you will never believe like it says the disbelievers will never believe, until you see it with your own eyes and then it will be too late.
sunside31 10 months ago
@kingmystyk Charles Darwin, observed the finches(birds) on the Galapagos Islands for the 1st time in the mid 1850s. He noticed on each island the birds had different shaped beaks according to the type of food on their island. he assumed the birds had progressed over millions of yrs, only the hardiest of the species had survived the climate/ vegetation changes. However, this is totally inaccurate and was dismissed as a mere humor in a TV series on the educational channel in October of 1998.
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 Oh, and as for the Darwin remarks, Darwin did not come up with the theory of evolution on his own. It's been around for centuries, Darwin added the method by which evolution works, which is natural selection, and that's why he's such a big deal. Of course, science doesn't just take his word on it, there have been metaphorical mountains of evidence that supports the general model that he presented, and that others later revised. The massive amount of evidence agrees with evolution...
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk what massive amount of evidence, Allah Almighty created humans and animals from Earth's dust: "From the (earth) did We Create you, and into it Shall We return you, And from it shall We Bring you out once again. (The Noble Quran, 20:55)" and we all know we have to go one day,
sunside31 10 months ago
@kingmystyk and whatever you say about evo i still know Allah created you until the day comes when it says "We will show them our proofs in the horizons, and within themselves, until they realize that this is the truth. Is your Lord not sufficient as a witness of all things? The Holy Quran 41:53.
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 0.o Whatever... Go to TalkOrigins. org and you can look up the info about evolution.
Since your Allah is Abraham's God, The God Delusion: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk oh yeah and i forgot to mention Abraham even hated the jews like it says In chapter 29, verse 16, “And Abraham, when he said to his people: ‘Worship God and be wary of Him, that is better for you, should you know. Infact, instead of God you worship idols, and you invent a lie. Indeed those whom you worship besides God have no control over your provision. So seek all (your) provision from God, and worship Him and thank Him, and to Him you shall be brought back’.”
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 Who cares if Abraham did or didn't hate the Jews? Are you endorsing hatred of another race because of their race or religion? If so, then obviously Islam isn't the "religion of peace" bullshit that it touts all over the place. If not, then why even bring it up? Other than being hateful, it's utterly pointless. Also, that doesn't disprove evolution, or prove creationism, nor does it prove that atheists are the way you say they are. Why do you even continue to post?? ...
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk According to the scientists’ discoveries in that very same year, the effects of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino, the climate on these same exact islands had drastically changed in a single year within a number of months. And to their surprise, the eggs of the finches on each island hatched open producing birds with beaks already altered to accommodate the changes of their environment.
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 So, you accept that mutation occurs? Great...how does that discount evolution? Of course, this is assuming that you have, or are relaying, the story accurately with what happened. There's a lot of news locations that obfuscate or oversimplify things in order to make the story more lively and interesting.
kingmystyk 10 months ago
@kingmystyk i think we'll leave it for there now and we'll see was was right anyway one day, theres no doubt about it
sunside31 10 months ago
@kingmystyk There is not a laboratory in the world which can compete with the biochemical activity of the smallest living organism. 1 cell is more complicated than the largest computer that man has ever made." -God says in the Holy Quran "And say: Praise be to Allah Who will show you His portents so that ye shall know them. And thy Lord is not unaware of what ye (mortals) do.(27:39
sunside31 10 months ago
@sunside31 That's one huge leaped interpretation of what you think the Quran says. Simply put, unless you have evidence to support your claim that such a deity exists, there's no reason to believe it. Since you nor it can or will demonstrate its existence, there's no rational reason to believe such a thing exists until it can be proved, or even have a non-fallacious cogent argument presented.
kingmystyk 10 months ago
You sound like Agent Smith from The matrix ...only you speak faster lol
theartyone 1 year ago
Ask an Atheist why there are problems in the world and he blames religion. Ask a christian and they blame Satan. So if Satan is Lucifer and Freemasonry is a pyramid that leads to devil worship then Atheist Don't understand the Illuminati. Fair?? So if Christians fear Satan and small satanic groups of high ranking Freemasons are the Illuminati then Atheist are wrong to blame Christians for the world problems and ultimately Atheism is the direct oppression and in the end they are the Evil.
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
Al, you believe in God. You became a DMV when you became an Atheist, so you could issue yourself a license to sin and drive your human vehicle around in society with no moral compass. You are now a holy Atheist. You can't sin. You have just presented the fundamentals of your BELIEF SYSTEM to us with your whole heart, soul, mind and strength & are willing to love your neighbor in your own immoral way as much as you immorally love yourself. Its definitely a religion colored black you have chosen
MegaSage007 1 year ago
I think someone needs to look up what a religion is. Look in a dictionary before you post a video.
Don't misinterpret what a religion, by definition, is.
weed831 1 year ago
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weed831 1 year ago
NO
EvilNoize 1 year ago
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ronald6838 1 year ago
"You have become the very thing you stand against!" lol
anzwertree 1 year ago
WHAT?! You can't be a christian atheist?
SCIENCE DAMN! guess I'm gonna cut out the christian part then :)
jonfrommp 1 year ago
I guess none of the atheists speaking here are Americans. In America, in August of 2005, atheists took this question to the Supreme Court arguing that it IS a religion and won. So, atheists in America got what they wanted - Atheism is a religion. Now what is happening here? American atheists find themselves at odds with their fellow worshipers around the world. Interesting how they seem to want it both ways. Also interesting - is the advantage this gives them over theists.
12345678901234567844 1 year ago
atheism is just the opposite of theism, atheists say theism is faith without proof but then atheism is also just faith without proof. that is they believe there is no God but without any actual proof either. of course the funny thing is those extreme atheist trying to disprove God are still constantly thinking about God. . . . . hahahahaha
guitarhero666759 1 year ago
@guitarhero666759
"atheism is also just faith without proof... they believe there is no God but without any actual proof either."
And you think it odd that a nonexistent "God" would fail to leave proof of "His" nonexistence?
Do you believe in Santa Clause, or have you found *proof* for his nonexistence?
TheHatefulDead 1 year ago
Being anti-religious is the same thing as being religious. Cause you're basing your whole philosophy on the criticisms of religion. You base your existence on what religion isn't smh
Tell an Atheist that Evolution is bullshit and see them get all defensive and emotional...the same way if you were to tell a Christian Jesus doesn't exist. Atheist have prophets. Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Dawkins. And what do they do? Have theoretical formulas (religious moralism) for people to obey and follow
blackezi3 1 year ago
A few points refuting this video.
Your church is mostly online, it seems that the new aggressive atheists all sing from the same webpage.
Your holy men include characters like R.Dawkins, S.Harris, C,Hitchens etc.
Your told that morality is relative so everything is permissible, no right or wrong, no moral compass.
Creationism : Its all an accident, for no purpose or reason.
Atheism holds more faith beliefs than any other religion.
This guys a bit deluded as most atheists are about this topic.
sh3rv 1 year ago
ok video
OyonTheAdept 1 year ago
Atheism is not a belief and it's not a religion. It's just you stating that you believe in what there's evidence for, and you watch and observe and change your opinion according to it. The majority of atheists think the big bang is how it all went down, but we adjust our views on HOW the big bang happened, and how the planets, stars and so on work and get created, We watch and observe and listen to reason and evidence to make a reasonable conclusion
Darkeons 1 year ago
that was a really REALLY good Luke Skywalker!
Frog869 1 year ago
Atheism isn't a religion it's a mental illness.
hockeyhatesgooglnow 1 year ago
@hockeyhatesgooglnow Like schizophrenia?
Maybe babies also have a mental illness until they are cured with the dogma whatever supernatural god(s) belief(s)/religion(s) their parents have and/or are prevalent in the society in which they are born.
Maybe there are/where societies where the whole of the society is/was mentally ill because they didn't/don't have some supernatural belief.
Maybe those who just don't belief in the right god are mentally ill which would include all atheists.
robvlob 1 year ago
Actually, the only difference between "religion" and atheism, is that atheism is not a religion in the classical sense of going to church and stuff like that. But what does make atheism a religion is the idea that there is no higher deity or powerful force that has the right to boss us around, meaning that we're the ones that rule and justify what's right and wrong. So in a sense, atheism is a pagan faith, it worships materialism, the only difference being the classical "religious" difference.
jamesdragonforce 1 year ago
@jamesdragonforce
I agree and disagree - I concede that we, in becoming atheist, nominate ourselves as the justifiers of right and wrong for our own actions. But to say it's a religion is a little far fetched - There is no dogma, or heirarchy - we have no hymns or special days. If someone doesn't celebrate Christmas it doesn't mean they celebrate Kwanzaa - It might mean that I just want to save money.
And isn't materialism all that matters LOL - just a lil joke.
newloser 1 year ago
yes, obviously atheism is a belief and not a religion
mau571 1 year ago
Thats right,atheism is simply "without god" but this is a bias term if you ask me,the believers make us out to be an enemy of religion,a bias system which believes in god created the definition of atheism,we dont worship anything so i dont understand how it is a religion? We are using these terms too broadly now a days,we have to draw the line somewhere.Atheism is the disbelief,or to deny,then when you define the definitions of atheism it is clearly not a religion at all.
DaAlphaOmega 1 year ago
atheism is disgusting
Unizawe 1 year ago
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The contract entered into with any god of your choosing is very simple and always exactly the same.
You agree that one day you must die to go and be with your god.
That is the pact that is made.
No one said you had to die but god.
Death is eternity in the Sun, the blazing lake of fire, where all excess energy in this Solar System is drawn by gravitational pull.
This includes human life force energy released from the body at death.
Therefore it is unwise to follow the religious to god.
truthtrekker 1 year ago 3
Yes you have become the very thing you stand against.
just pointing out what religion is and naturally assuming you don't do it doesn't make it a fact.
Atheism does many of the thing this video claims it doesn't.
Richard Dawkin's is the Pope of atheism.
just because his lectures were removed from youtube doesn't mean they no longer resemble a high holy mass, with poetry song and testimonials.
to be technically accurate - Atheism makes the Jehovah's Witnesses look agnostic.
AfterFauve001 1 year ago
@AfterFauve001 Richard Dawkins is the pope of atheism? (that's right, no capital A in atheism) Does it hurt when you pull these statements out of your arse?
rooflee 1 year ago
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@rooflee
"just because his lectures were removed from youtube doesn't mean they no longer resemble a high holy mass, with poetry song and testimonials".
... (I forgot to add) with born again atheists, the pathological rationalism that has replaced empirical research, propaganda (dogma), and being chewed out for spelling"a"theism with a lower case "A" - your the first to do the opposite.
AfterFauve001 1 year ago
but I will take back from Dick the title of Pope, and replace it with prophet.
however that makes Atheism a cult.
some how that sounds more accurate..
AfterFauve001 1 year ago
@AfterFauve001
The irony...
newloser 1 year ago
@AfterFauve001
This is probably one of the most farcical and cowardice things I've read.
"My friend does exist and what you're saying does not match up because I choose not to see it"
Let me ask you, a christian (assuming), a question: What do you do on Sunday?
Now ask me this.
No I do not go to Atheist church. I do not knock on doors to sell my atheism. Richard Dawkins would be a mentor, he has admitted that he does NOT know - unlike your priest.
So I suggest you chat with god on this.
newloser 1 year ago
@newloser on Sundays I fuck witches, great deductible logic, very theological of you. I disagree with you there for I must be what you hate.
science has patterns that allow us to correctly establish if fossilized bones were a predator, where and when a super nova will appear but some how it doesn't apply to sociology where Evangelical Dawkinite Atheists are concerned.
if it looks, walks & quacks like a duck its a duck, unless Dawkins says otherwise?
if that's the case then true science is dead.
AfterFauve001 1 year ago
@AfterFauve001
You've already brainwashed yourself - that's clear.
Dawkins being compared to a fundamental christian is insulting.
And I don't hate you. It's too much effort to do so.
Dawkins does not say that you will be going to a scary science hell nor does he care if you worship piss - but when matters of state are intermingled with that of religion - then there is where he/we must draw the line. Jesus exists to you - keep it that way. Don't get your jesus in my science please.
newloser 1 year ago
@newloser of course its insulting - it's fact.
what is the difference in spending an eternity in Hell or a life time in a religious wasteland nightmare? not to much as far as I can see, if your life sucks it sucks, & claiming that a million years of evolutionary violence can be greatly reduced if not completely eliminated just by converting to his form of Atheism is a pretty faithful claim.
and backing it up with song poetry & teary eyed testimonials is not subjective or empirical research.
AfterFauve001 1 year ago
@AfterFauve001
And check out the Christian channels on here - you'll find they do a bit of knocking themselves. Every religion does.
Dawkins is merely the first of many who will step forward to uphold reason and science against an extremely diluted and archaic and false belief.
I could go on - but I'm certain neither of us will be convinced by the other and our conversation is bordering semantics.
I wish you well - and hope that you see what is in front of you before it's too late.
newloser 1 year ago
@newloser - So when the Christian fundies do it, it's bad, when the Dawkin's fundies do it its good.
How is secular reductionism that ignores root laws of Quantum Mechanics, Fractal Geometry and String theory better than saying the Earth was created in 7- 24 hour periods?
its still putting reality into a convenient little box and using clever dialog to justify it.
That is not defending science, that's using the term science to justify your faith, its all ready been done with Christian Science.
AfterFauve001 1 year ago
@newloser Oh yes forgot to add - you tube is the atheist church and posting Dawkins Dogma unsolicited on the comments of non atheist videos is worse than knocking on doors.
AfterFauve001 1 year ago
@AfterFauve001
You make a false assumption putting all "Atheists" in the same catagory - this is a gross mistake - perhaps it is because you are a theist. Atheists do not share all beliefs, just the agreement that there is no god/gods - after that fact we could very well disagree on everything else.
My life doesn't suck - it's actually very pleasant without the aid of a spiritual following. What is the difference you ask between the two made-up places? Nothing.
newloser 1 year ago
@newloser I take back "Atheists", I meant Dawkinites.- Difference in beliefs? they use the exact same catch phrases and dogma to sing Dawkins praises, science forbid some one call the man out for what he is - a profit making cult leader. Wasn't referring to your life, but everyone's life sucks until we ALL become atheists for then the world will just naturally become rational & peaceful as shown, by Communism and Marxism, oops forgot not suppose to acknowledge that happened, not very PC of me.
AfterFauve001 1 year ago
My religion is revenge
LOL
motelcalifornia 1 year ago 4
No, it is not a religion because we, atheists, worship nothing. We have no master and we are free just like everyone should be. Let's free the world!
tubetib 1 year ago
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THE LORD said to me:" This people say I don't Existe; therefore, I sent for you [to show them What GOD does]..."
Airlightf 1 year ago
I'll pray for you. Atheism can't be a religion. You're not very intelligent if you think that.
Nesterenko101 1 year ago
i dont get how athiest is a religion? a bias court made it so,first thing you do on the stand in court is place your hand on the bible.
the true definition of athiesm is simply (without) they changed the definition attacking athiesm by defining athiesm as denying god.but this is wrong.
DaAlphaOmega 1 year ago
No atheist holidays? Human Light Day, bitch! *snark*
MutantBamHammer 1 year ago
Actually, atheism is not a religion. Atheism is the lack of faith in any god or gods. You can't make a religion from a lack of faith.
gir908922 1 year ago
Then why are you preaching to us?
klyydsdale 1 year ago
@klyydsdale LOL
HEC01 1 year ago
@klyydsdalePreach: oration by a prophet/clergy addressing theological, religious, moral topic, usually expounding on a type of belief, law or behavior. Preaching include exposition, exhortation and practical application. Explanation: set of statements constructed to describe a set of facts which clarifies the causes, context, and consequences of those facts, may establish rules or laws, and may clarify the existing ones in relation to any objects, or phenomena examined. who's preaching?
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@ forgot the name ;\ (no serious)
(Lots of meh grammar is wrong IK)
What do you need to know about atheism.
What the term atheism means. Like all words what men speak. Being a atheist is nothing special. Is it special to being yourself and do what you normally do in live?
How stupid can people be to think atheism is a religion? Atheist just don't believe in god.
That's it nothing special! Atheism believe more in fact then a book that's said that's writen by a almighty thingy spirit
jonh387 1 year ago
read any book about atheism and it will tell u this
JFKdied2 1 year ago
atheism ISNT a religion. thanks and good night.
HEC01 1 year ago
there is only one sensible line to take with the question of a god(s) and that is doubt, you cannot possibly know the answer otherwise it would be proveable one way or the other, even dawkins never states "i know that there is no god" such a sentence would be ridiculous to any scientist and most atheists, but faith is just a cute word for BELIEF WITHOUT EVIDENCE, this is a extremely negative and dangerous mindset to exist in, it serves as the psycological soil for lies to take root.
AngryBugger2012 1 year ago
How can one believe without evidence? they do have their-own subjective basis of information that they consider as evidence, such as emotional state of mind, they feel presence of something, personal experience that they take as evidence of supernatural etc.... Belief and knowledge is the result of cognitive process based upon given information, if you ask me the only thing that i certain/knowledge about is my own existence, other than that is all speculations and beliefs...
IsraeliXdude 1 year ago
Atheism is a religion if I have ever seen one. Take the Atheistic Alliance. The have meetings, conventions, books, and even a leader, Dawkins. All for something they can't prove but only have faith that there is no God.
kg6120 1 year ago
But you can have a religion without meetings, conventions, books or leaders. So that doesn't make any sense. Those things aren't religions, they are organisations.
The Atheistic Alliance sounds rubbish anyway. It doesn't consist of every atheist in the same way that the Westborough Baptist Church doesn't consist of every Christian.
SkepticsClaw 1 year ago
I am an Atheist, but Im also open to the idea of god or gods
All I need to believe in the supernatural is Proof, and enough of it to where scientists can actually formulate a Theory
Until then, god, the supernatural ect. are simply claims, not even up to the stance of Hypothesis
I'd like to meet the gods... I have some questions for them =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
Well, I would say you are more of agnostic. Open to the possibility the a Creator exist. Wouldn't you say? Atheism is plain foolishness. So, if you are open, do your own study if God exist and come to your own conclusion.
kg6120 1 year ago
@kg6120
You're technically incorrect about the term "Atheist"
If someone asks me "Do you believe in god(s)" and I say "Yes" I am a Theist
Everything Else (including "I don't know") is Atheist
If someone asks me "Do you believe in god(s)" I say "No"
Just because I don't believe in something, doesn't make it "Impossible" I Just Don't Believe =^_^=
So by definition, and by association, I am an Atheist
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
Technically I am right and you are wrong. Do you like that? Don't make up your own terms or definitions of words. I think in your case it is called confused
kg6120 1 year ago
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I have Screen Shot, your Argument is Invalid
Rules of the Internet, Pics or it didn't happen =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
Wow, I have no idea what you are talking about.
kg6120 1 year ago
Hmm, well i consider it myself this way. Agnostic is someone who just simply dosent know. what to think about it. Atheist is someone who thinks that its highly unlikely that god exsists. Those absolute atheists probably do exsist somewhere, but most of pepole are probably still open to the idea, but are pretty sure there isnt aa god. Kinda like me
Deadagent 1 year ago
I'm Agnostic.
WaTcH4HeLp 2 years ago
At least you are honest. At least you are open to the possibility that God exist
kg6120 1 year ago
As well as being an atheist .. I am also ....
A-Unicorn-ist ... since I don't believe in unicorns.
A-Leprochaun-ist ....
etc.
Devalmont2 2 years ago
Atheism is not a religion. Why? Atheism is the simple lack of belief in a god. What you are is something that is used interchangalby with atheism, but has no real word. 'Anti-theism' is the closest I can think of. You believe there is no god. Which is a belief, and will, with time, become a religion. Atheism, on the other hand, is simply the lack of belief in a god. Buddhists are usually atheists. Confusionists can be atheist, as well as daoists. You can be all four at once.
keinve2 2 years ago
Atheism is a religion, Just like theism.
Atheist have faith that their is no god, just like theist have faith that their is. Athiest think their right and moral and smarter than theist, Just like theist think their right and moral and smarter than Atheist. Atheist believe that atheist should be in control of the government, Just like theist believe that theist should be in control of the government. See just alike.
Formlessexpressions 2 years ago
lol @ just alike
airplaneking 1 year ago
@airplaneking yep just alike. Theirs nothing wrong with being an atheist, just like theirs nothing wrong with being a theist, but their is something wrong with fanatically pushing your beliefs on others.
Formlessexpressions 1 year ago
RELIGION- collection of practices, based on beliefs and teachings that are highly valued or sacred;
That is the definition of a religion. Atheism is a religion.
And yes,there is a "belief" factor in science. In any science.
If you dont think that then you dont know shit about science.
everio17 2 years ago
Atheism has become a religion. The name of god is science.
And it is a very jealous god. And the followers say "believe what I believe or your just wrong and should be hated."
Sounds familiar?
All that atheists need is a chapel.
everio17 2 years ago
at the end theres nothing to atheism, just a belief that thers no God, however if ascribe secular liberal theory than many ur points will fall
penkallli 2 years ago
see aronra's foundational falsehoods of creationism #5.
phuhcue 2 years ago
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More importantly, their mistaken belief that their lefty brand of atheism is the most advanced philosophy in the world causes them to ignore, or outright reject, the actual #1 philosophy and worldview: transhumanism. Transhumanism is the only philosophy that applies reason to aging, death, and the limitations of the human condition in general, and gives science and technology the support and respect they deserve, for without them we would and will be nothing.
Parapon3ra 2 years ago
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They combine, more or less by default, lefty PC liberalism with atheism, and pretend it's some kind of unified worldview, and the cutting edge of rational thought. Left liberalism is far from a rational ideology, however; its dogmas and taboos regarding things like race & IQ, immigration, white guilt, multiculturalism, and radical environmentalism are just as oppressive and insane as those of any religion.
Parapon3ra 2 years ago
Atheism may not be a religion, but it certainly is a worldview, lifestyle, and (primary) identity for many atheists, especially in countries where atheism is still controversial. Now, this would be fine & dandy if atheism were a (reasonably) complete worldview, and the most advanced worldview. Unfortunately, it's neither. It's just the rejection of god(s). This, however, doesn't prevent atheists from acting as if it actually were a complete and sophisticated philosophy.
Parapon3ra 2 years ago
Someone said that Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby. Kinda sums it up.
SongOfTheLastCamel 2 years ago 2
you meant pastfarianism. praise the FSM. ARGH!
EminemFan117 2 years ago
There is no law against genocide in Atheism.. no law against pedophilia in Atheism... no law against making hoaxes of missing links... and no requirement other than rejection of the best explanation for existence and the origin of laws of nature, either. Darwin Day is the equivalent of a holiday for some Atheists.
Darwin's writings, and Dawkins', and other Atheists' are equivalents of scriptures, though they are not regarded as infallible (by some- not all- atheists). Darwin is like a prophet.
AthosAmo 2 years ago
I became an Atheist and got a 10% raise, an extra day off during the week and a reasonable understanding of the world.
AntEyeTheist 2 years ago 15
Atheism is a religion like off is a T.V. channel.
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