Thank god the turks forced most of the arvanits out of greece.Those who remained in epirus were converted to islam an finally left.Ironically the turks made a good ethinic cleansing in greece.Else all those arberesh people would pretend that they are Greek like some arvanitic ucks i see comenting here
greeks are arnauts like albanian they are mixed with all kind of people Macedonian,Arnaut Albanian ,Vlach ,Turks /watch?v=TVBU9GCzqJ0 Geronimos Nikolopoulos
@MrAbagaz zhtw oi makedones gamw thn ellada me tous peloponhsious grafiades kai tous kritikous astifilakes. h makedonia stous makedones. 2013 autonomia kai enwsh,
@MrAbagaz And anyone who thinks that Albanians are Albanians is wrong.... Oahahahhahaha you Greek monkey you are still around... and why are they speaking Albanian and keeping the Albanian flag Oahahahha you greeks are rally stupid and ignorant... I now feel really sorry for my self for lusing such a time with a stupid freak greek guy like you at the video of Aristidi Kola teaching history to you.... Oahahahahha you are really freak....
@kuqezi1980 STupd bitch learn reading...i said arberesh are albanians.Arvanits not...visit any arvanit village in Greece and tell them they are albanians.Just try it motherfucker
@ComandanteCrus Arvanites brainwashed?Arvanites have been prime ministers,ministers,chiefs of the navy during the last 200 years..they were never brainwashed since a lot of them occupied hig ranks in the greek administration.It was their choice to belng to the greek nation since they are and feel greeks.I can agree with you only in the matters of language since they speak a language i cannot understand,but language never indicates ethnicity(eg scots and irish,they speak english)
@MrAbagaz Oahahhaha stupid greek monkey.... then why greek minority all over the world have to be greek as you said they are just speaking greek.... you are so ignorant that you erase all greek minority in the world only with one phrase.... One question: Are all the greek monkeys so FUCKING STUPID as you are ?
Before 200 years arvanites knew very well from where they were from.
I am speaking about today.(I belive that even today they know but some reasons don't let them admit it)
When there are borders for so many years,asimilation for so many years,no school for their language,punishment if they used it.I cant see where is the choise they made to belong to the greek nation.
I repeat I know that arvanites feel greeks today as I know many greeks in albania feel albanians.
@ComandanteCrus i admit that listening to arvanitic songs i dont understand anything at all.It is indeed an albanian originating language no doubt about it.What i am saying is that language doesnt always indicate naitonality.I dont want to talk about genetics because it remiands me of Hitler tactics,but think that after so many centuries of mixing with the Greeks,how much albanian blood is in them??
Arvanites are albanians by blood and greeks by consciouness.
I can accpet this,but I can not accept when greeks say that arvanite language is greek???!!!
Anyway not all arvanites call themselves greek,some of them ( the most educated ones)still say that are arbresh -albanians.The rest who are not educated enough and believe everything the greek church says,call themselfs greek.
In this video are arbresh of Italy and they say without problem they are albanians.
@Albani1111 NO this is not the truth.All Arvanites have greek identity.There have been educated arvanites prime ministers,naval chiefs all proud Greeks,that fought for the glory of Greece.Greece is a european country and doesnt wait from the church to educate its citizens.You guys live in Albania,you dont know how things are in Greece about the Arvanite issue.Arvanites are the most fanatic Greeks and struggle to prove their Greek identity.I do know that the language is not Greek
@Albani1111 But you cant tell people how to feel.During the 1821revolution allarvanites fought alongside with the greeks against TURKS and muslim ALBANIANS,and those stories go from generaiton to generation,AND MODERN DAY ARVANITES HATE TO BE CALLED ALBANIANS.thats the truth in GREECE,you either accept it or you can still make up your own theories
@MrAbagaz And there is not such a thing ar albanians by blood.How can you prove that since Arvabites have been living here for the last 8 centuries,in places populated by Greeks?MIxing with them is unavoidable,plus arvanites came from places of albania that were also populated by greeks.Medieval albania had a vivid greek population and most parts of your country were culturally affected by the greeks.BACHK THEN THERE WAS NO NATIONAL IDENTITY AS WE KNOW IT TODAY
Most of Arvanites come from North Albania or Kosovo.
Look at their last names,most of them are from North Albania and Kosovo.
Secondly, the main reason than Arvanites call themselves greek is that Greece is better economically than Albania.
If in 1944 in Yalte,three Big powers would decided that Greece join Easter Block and Albanian join Western block,90% of Arvanites today will call themselves albanian and would be in line for a visa in front of Albanian embassy.
Abt language thank god, I see one greek that says their language is not greek.
As for 1821 revolution which I call Albanian Civil War(90% og greek army spoke albanian and 80% of turk army spoke albanian) we also have Ali Pasha movement who almost succeded.If Ali Pasha would won today we would have an Illyric-helenic federation with 20 million people start from Mitrovica till Crete.Instead greeks (not arvanites coz they were uneducated than) sided and still side with serbs.
@Albani1111 I will repeat this t0 you one more time...Arvanites have been fanatic greeks all over the 19th and 20th century.What you called about the passports is something you just assume and not the truth.Dude you have a misconception about Arvanites,since they ve been feeling Greek for centuries and not the past 50 years,i cant make it any clearier to you.Karaiskakis,Kolokotronis,Diakos,,Kanaris,Makriyiannis,Androutsos and so many other major leaders of the revolution were Greek.
@Albani1111 I can go on writting you names from all over Greece,from Macedonia and Transylvania till Crete,that were not Arvanites.So that 90% you said is not only untrue but dangerous to be reffered.The 1821 revolution was a greek revolution against the ottomans,a revolution that many arvanites took part,and thats logical since arvanites belonged to the romioi milliet(they were considered Greks)
@Albani1111 And of course we side by the Serbs...Serbs are true friends you can see how they speak about Greece,the respect our ancient civilization and love our country.ALbanian immigrants in Greece show a realy dissrespectful face towards us.They created gangs,stealing and raping...even little kids have an aggressive behaviour,and they often insult Greece and Greeks.YOu cant expect from us to have the best feelings towards you
All emigrants in the begining couse problems.Greeks in Germany,Australia etc have couse problems too.
As for serbs rescpecting you is a big joke.Serbs want you now,once you can not help them they will kick you out.
Look they were the first state to recongnise FYROM as Republic of Macdeonia officially.
I always thought that two oldest nations of Balkans greeks and Albanians wpuld have been real power IF greek politicians would have been smart.Anyway this is just my theory.
@Albani1111 Greeks in Germany were invited to work in the factories they were Gastarbeiters.Before they enter the country they were examined by doctors for diseases,and the German state placed them all over the country.Albanians in Greece came from the mountains..there was no controll at all,many of them were ex prisoners,they had no papers and they were starving,thats why they caused many problems,and the Greek society was so prejudiced against you
@Albani1111 Prior to 1990,Greeks(and the whole Europe) didn't know anything about Albania,and had no problem with you,since you were an isolated nation because of communism.After the massive waves of immigration and the problems that were created,Greeks started being racist.If you were watching the news in the 90's,you would hear daily,crimes commited by albanian gangs,and that's not exaggeration.If you heared that every crime in Albania was commited by Greeks,what would you do?
@Albani1111 Serbs are friends and you cant change this opinion to me,and lets not argue about Serbs in this conversation.I really cannot understand why you make the connection of communism and the feelings of the Arvanites??I am telling you,arvanites have been prime ministers of Greece before 1900,arvanites have proved their patriotism hundrends of years before ww2,just talk to any greek arvanite in youtube or come in Greece and ask them,there is nothing more for me to add on this
Secondly,I am not saying that arvanites are albanian,I am just saying that they come From albania and they have albanian blood.But when I see greeks tell me arvanitika is greek.
As for their nationality,I told you if Greece would have fall in communism and Albania in the West,I can bet you that arvanites will consider themselves albanian.
@Albani1111 Almost everyone in Greece knows that Manjani an Xhellili are Albanians we are not that fool.IN fact Greeks are such an anti-patriotic nation that consider also Piros Dimas and every greek form northern Epirus Albanian.PLease dont be another Albanian that calls Pirros ALbanian.The guy is from HImarra.And with the germans and italians have no problem beacause we dont interract with them in our everyday lives,and there are no german or italina gangs in Greece
I can tell you that Greece and greek church ha done a bad propoganda against Albania.I am orthodox myself but when Greece and greek church considers me greek,this is pure lie.
They have braiwashed arvanites for 200 years that they have nothing to do with albanians.
Yo guys have been killed and raped in WWII by germans and italians more than by albanians.Yet,with Italy and Germany you have had very good realtionship,while with Albania you still remember 1821!!!
@Albani1111 At least you admit that Greeks are one of the olest nations in Europe...you have to be the 2nd Albanian i ve met in youtube that says something like this.Most of you call us gipsys turks and bullshit...forgetting that we maintanined our religion,and that prevented us from mixing with the Ottomans,unlike you that turned to islam(most of you not everyone)...
People in Albania know that greeks and albanians are the oldest nation in Balkan.
Abt converting on Islam.We fought against turks more than anyone nation in Balkan,under Scandarbeg by winning 36 battles and lost only 1.We paid heavy price for that, 1/3 of population killed,1/3 exiled.The 1/3 that have left had no choice,to be dead or to convert in Islam.But also most of albanians converted in Islam in 1800s.You had the Church and serbs their king.Ours had gone or killed.
Dont forget that almost half of arvanites themsefves were muslim,and the irland of Creta was for 300 years muslim.
Unlike greeks and serbs who had either the church or the kind between themseves and Sultan,albanians after Scandebeg were alone.So the remaining population had no choice.
We accept greeks as the oldest nation in Balkan,I never can accept serbs as authoctons.
Abt friendship with serbs,you guys should be ashamed being on the side with the butchers of the Balkan.
@MrAbagaz greeks did not maintain thier religion...greeks were allowed to keep thier religion. but even many greeks also turned muslims, there is 300,000 Greek muslims that live near the Black Sea today.
keeping your religion was not a prevention of mixing with Ottomans, greeks didnt have a problem to mix with ottomans.
greeks didnt have tribal society as Albanians to prevent mixing. many Albanians were subjected to forced conversions but even muslim Albanians fought against ottomans.
@IllyriaLion Greeks in Asia Minor(modern day Turkey) were indeed converted to islam,but they were not considered Greeks anymore,since they changed sides.Thats why in less that 1 century,the Asia Minor,from a copmletely christian-greek area,became muslim,because of convertion.But they were no more considered part of the greek nation.Greeks in mainland Greece kept their religion,and NO they didnt mix with ottomans,it was forbidden.To mix with the ottomans you had to change religion
@IllyriaLion not only the greeks the christians in general...people that remained christian after the ottoman occupation can claim some racial purity...muslim albanians were part of the ottoman world,they were generals, governors,great parts of the army were of albanian origin.Back in those days muslim albanians were no different from the Turks,you were conisdered ottomans because of religion,ottomans didnt care about race,their only target was to convert people to islam
@MrAbagaz what racial purity can greeks and other christians claim? greeks invited the ottomans inside of Europe as brothers to join the armies and cultures to fight against Slavic and Avar invasions. serbs are christians but we know that up to 6 Sultans from ottoman Empire were from Serbian origins. yes Albanians served in the ottoman ranks but so did the Greeks. it didnt matter if you were muslim or christian for many positions. also dont forget the greek janisaries who served for the ottomans
@IllyriaLion Greeks did not invite Ottomans for gods shake..ottomans invaded Asia Minor,as a result of immigrations,it is just the route of history.I am telling you that Greeks were also converted to islam,and there were also Greek janissaries too...but after the convertion they were no more considered Greeks,they were part of the ottoman milliet
@IllyriaLion I am not talking about higly educated personalities,that would serve the ottoman bureaucracy.I am talking about everyday poor peole.A christian male could not marry a muslim female,unless he converted to islam and vice versa.This is what i am trying to point out.For example Mustafa Kemal was the Kid of an Albanian(muslim) man and a Turkish woman.Ths could never happen if one of the parents was of christian faith
@MrAbagaz greeks were mixed with the turks before religious problems started in Europe. many christians and muslims from all people married eachother. yes greeks did invite turks inside Europe first against Arvanite Albanians and then against slavs and Avars. there is many instances of greeks and turks producing offspring together so please dont try to feed us this religious affiliation propaganda. the 300,000 greek muslims near the black sea still call themselves as greeks.
those 300 000 dont call thems elves greeks,they are turks that speak a dialect rumca,but they have turkish identity unfortunately.About the bullshit of greeks marrying turks i won;t write anything.If you knew that christians in ottoman empire were 3rd class citizens you wouldn't say that crap.So i guess that you support that only Greeks mixed with Turks.Albanians did not according to you??let me see your opinion about that
@IllyriaLion The Avars were centuries ago,before even Turks were even a tribe in Mongolia dont write crap,if you dodn't know.The BYzantines were in a continuous war fron the battle of Manzikert in 1071,till the fall of Constantinopole in 1453 with the ottomans and the Seldjuks,how can you say that they invited them??They invited them to ruin their Empire??THis is silly as hell...they jyst some times collaborated with them to get rid of the LAtin rule.THis shit happens
@IllyriaLion Ι guess this bullshit of Turks mixing with Greeks,is very covenient for all natonalists Albanians.YOu come up with this theory so as you can claim,ancient origins of Illyrians and to feel you are an ancient people.Albanians are not refered anywhere in world history prior to 12th century.You converted to Islam,and thats why you are the most mixed race in the balkans,among the others,just because there was no problem of Muslims mixing with Muslims.Simple as that dude
u r considering greeks Mirela Manjani,Luan Shanbani or Xhelili just because they won gold medals for Greece.Why dont tell people that they are albanians but they represent Greece?
The truth would be better and probably greeks society will see albanians with more rescpect,not like in Odisea case where the poor guy even though was the best student, did not participate in parade!Anyway he is doing well in USA now,carrying Albanian flag every Nov 28th.
@Albani1111 i disagree with youy about the civil war part...IN 1821 the whole Greek world,from Macedonia to Cyprus revolted agianst the Ottomans.But Morea and roumeli were the main parts of the war scene.That 90% of the greek army speaking albanian is an outrageous lie,since the arvanites of the Morea cnsisted no more than 10% of the total population,and those are facts.Where did you get that 90% from?
@Albani1111 Anyway Happy new year to yo too...and if you want to know the truth about arvanites today,you just have to travel to their places and ask them what they and their ancestors feel like.You will get your answers by them if you are interested.I am not telling you that they have not some albanian origin,but this is not enough to call them albanians.Several other factors create national identity...blood is not enough
@ComandanteCrus THeir national consciousness is Greek,and for so many centuries they have been fighting along with the other Greeks for their common freedom.During the ottoman empire,and because the ottoman troops were consisted of muslim albanians(turk-albanians),arvaites and the other greeks fought together against the common enemy(turk albanians).Even 200 years ago,arvanites were romioi,part of the greek nation and greek world
@ComandanteCrus i can understand you interest about them since you speak a similar language.I feel the same about grikos in southern Italy,about Greeks in northern Epirus,About greeks living in Turkey and in Ukraine(black sea shores).BUt arvanites them selves consider themselves greeks,and this is the truth if you visit Greece,you will see for your eyes
@ComandanteCrus ANd i have no probem talking about Arvanites and their origins,but posts like kuqezi's that greeks are mongolians and that albanians are related to ancient greeks make me laugh.
@MrAbagaz What to try stupid gypsy... A lot of Albanian TV went in those arvanit villages and interview them in Albanian language stupid greek son of the bitch... We tried and they spoke in Albanian... Now FUCK OFF you greek dickhead.....
@kuqezi1980 BECAUSE THEIR RELIGIOUS TRADITION IS GREEK ORTHODOX MORON...LEARN SOME HISTORY ABOUT THEM...JUST LEARN.BUKURA MOREA IS PELOPONNISOS IN GREECE.THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALBANIA
@MrAbagaz I can't understand What is your problem with their Albanian origin? They speak Albanian and their names are Albanian... Why you are so disturbed with their origin ? Where is the problem here if they are Albanian origin... In Albania we have a Greek origin hero in the WW2 named Kajo Karafili who fought for the freedom of Albania from Gremans and we never doubt in his origin either tried to convert him in Albanian also we are honorable that someone not Albanian (continue)
@MrAbagaz (continue) fought for Albania... Why you don't accept the Albanian origin of Arvanits and say such a stupid things that an Arvanit is not an Albanian playing with words... Is not our fall that your greek propaganda stopped to call us Arvanits and change it in the Italian name "Albanian". We still call our self "Arban" in Geg dialekt (Illirian) and "Arber" in Tosk dialekt (Epirotic) for that in Italy they are called in the Tosk dialekt "Arberesh" and in Greece (continue)
@MrAbagaz (continue) they are called "Arban" turned in greek dialekt "Arvanit" because the first Albanian who came were warriors from north (Gegs) who were putted to protect Acropolis and payed by the Emperor of Byzantium for this. After them again a wave from north leaded by Gjin Bue Shpata whos name took a place in Attica which is called in now days with his name "Spata" and the pepople there are arvanits. After him most of Albanian warriors who came were tosks (epirots) (Continue)
@MrAbagaz (continue)... that's why they speak the tosk (epirotic) dialect of Albanian language. This is the History and you can not change it... Because greek paramilitary propagand can not erase the name "Arvanit" they complain that arvanit are not albanian and it is the same as to say that Greeks are not "Ελλινασ" (as you call your self in greek)... Can you imagine now how stupid is to say Arvanits are not Albanian... It is the most fucking stupid thing.. you have to be a pig to not (continue)
@MrAbagaz (continue)... understand such a simple thing... But I still can not understand what is your problem with the Albanian origin in Greece... "O Bukura More" means "O beautiful Morea" in Albanian language... Of course they are not talking about Albania (now day state), they are talking about Peloponnese but this have nothing to do with their origin... They are Albanian and they are called arberesh because they were settled with other Albanian from south Albania who were sent (continue)...
@kuqezi1980 ....were part of the greek kingdom of Molossoi,greek sepaking kingdom that worshiped the Olympus pantheon,and generally belonged to the greek world.I just want to point the greek presence in central and southern Albania from antiquity since middle ages.Arvanites fled to Greece 8 centuries ago,from places which were also greek populated.IN Greece they settled in places already popoulated by the Greeks,adn because of the common religion they mixed with the local population
@kuqezi1980 After living in proximity to the Greeks for 8 centuries,Arvanites became part of the Greek nation,since they fought side by side with the other Greeks,whenever it was needed.During the ottoman occupation,the majority of the ottoman troops that were sent to Greece,were consisted of muslim Albanians mostly Geghs.Arvanites had no problem fighting with them,and slaughtering them whenever it was neede since they were the enemies of their homeland Greece
@kuqezi1980 Arvanites along with their own language were also fluent in the Greek language,they were billingulal.Prime ministers,navy chiefs and other high ranking personalites were Arvanites that helped the new born Grek state to rise.There was no brianwashing as you claim,because Arvanites felt they are no different from other Greeks,they kept their language an traditions but their consioucness is Greek.There are in no way Albanian neither by blood nor by customs.
@MrAbagaz (continue) in this area in Italy because their War-Boss (Benedict) had a contract with Turks to pull back Albanian warriors payed by them in Peloponnese and Ottomans with let them to rule some Island in the Ionian sea... Arvanits were betrayed by Their boss of war. Albania was part of Byzantium and of course that almost all Albanian were Greek Orthodox (except of some areas of north which were Catholics), this was the official religion of Byzantium, even a stupid can understand that..
@kuqezi1980 I still cannot understand why did you write all those posts,since i wrote with CAPITAL LETTERS THAT ARBERESH ARE DEFINATELY OF ALBANIAN ORIGIN...About arvanites things are much different>Albania back in those days as you probably know was higly popoulated by greeks in the southern and central parts,and there were even albanians that had greek national identity,mostly because of the comon religion.SInce antiquity the southern parts of Albania(epirus)....
@kuqezi1980 Theri customs and music are similar to theother Greeks of southern Greece.There are so many songs talking about the Turk-albanians and how they harmed Greece during the ottoman occupation.I invite you to any arvanite speaking village in Greece and tell them,they are albanians.They will give you their answers.Arvanites are the most proud and fanatic Greeks,since they believe they come from the ancient Greek Epirotan kingdoms.This is the truth in Greece
@MrAbagaz Just for your information, Greeks of albanian are not more then 50.000 or 30 villages so 1% of the albanian population.... What you say about North Epir, there are 2 milion Albanian so it is very stupid to speak about Greek North Epir. Second, you are not saying anything else about arvanits (albanians) except of what I mention that the Albanian are more close genetically to the Ancient Greeks then any other people. (continue)
@kuqezi1980 Albanians are not closer to ancient greeks,this is your own theory you just made it up,call it the kuqezi theory or how ever you like it.BUt without having any clues stop posting bullshit.I can give you as many ancient greek scripts as you like,try to translate them if you can.ALbanians claiming ancient greek heritage is the most ridiculous thing after slav-monkeydonians,claiming Alexander the great as theirs...this is so LAME
@kuqezi1980 Ending the conversation with you,i conclude that our under developed Balkan neighbours(monkeydonians and arnauts)have nothing of their own to be proud about,and invented a nice sport...stealing their glorious neighbours history and historical figures,without taking into conseideration history itself.You dont even care that you cant speak and understand ancient greek,but you claim that you ae genetically related to them...as if you have made a research about it.STUPID
@kuqezi1980 And if you had paied more attention to my posts you would see,that i pointed that during the middle ages,modern day Albania was highly populated by Greeks,or even Albanians of Greek culture.Arvanites 8 centuries ago was a mix of them and in no way Albanians,in the modern sense of the term
@MrAbagaz (continue)... Since their song are albanian songs, their traditional dressing is albanian (fustanella), their names are albanian (Bythguri, Botsari, Xhavella, Bubulina, Miauli, Vreto, Gjika, Gjoka, Gjata... etc), they speak albanian, and they are called in their albanian original name "Arban"... WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO PROVE THEIR ALBANIAN ORIGIN ? I am doubting in the meaning of the word "argument" in this point... You want to call the white black and the black white...
@kuqezi1980 IN northern Epirus Hoxha regognised 99 villages and you say 30.Furthermore,Greeks dont reside only in those villages,there are many mixed villages in Northern Epirus outside the minority zone,and Greeks living in cities like Sarande Vlore and all over Albania in smaller numbers.Greeks of Albania are at least 200.000 and not only 30 000 as you would wish they would be
@kuqezi1980 During he past centuries many Arvanites have been chiefs of the Greek state.If they wanted they could brianwash the other Greeks to feel Albanians and not hte opposite.Guess what they didnt do t because they dont feel albanian.THey are proud Greeks...you cannot speak on behalf of them since you dont know them,and you dont know their feelings about their homeland and their compatritos-the rest of the Greeks
@MrAbagaz of course they are greeks citizens now as Vlachs are and many other ethnicity groups in Greece. But you can not doubt in their origin. Do the Greeks of the third generation in USA feel not American... ? I doubt... not only them but any kind of people... but this doesn't mean that they are not of a greek origin ok... !? Since the Albanian of Greece after 500 years and more still speak Albanian is a prove that they feel Albanian also... You don't have to ask them... It's logical...
@MrAbagaz hahahaah my friend yu have not education arbereshte and arvanites have not do with greeks maybe greeks have albanian blood albanian is the most ancient culture in balkan and greeks yu are just a mithology nothing else albanians gave yu freedom souliotes and arvanites
@adventuraism Greeks only mythology??why post something so illiterate as that?You albanians are really getting on my nerves.If you know history you know everything about greeks,from ancient tmes till now.Albanians are not refered anywhere in history books.Just admit the fuckin truth.20 years ago you dindt have anything to eat,Hoxha had put your half population in jails,and now you are barking like dogs,and claim that everything is yours.Stop being so STUPID
they are not greeks or sllavs.why should arbereshet keep albanain flag?why should they speak albanian? do greeks and slavs speak albanian?haha oh my god whats going on with this people?
I would also like to say that you cannot compare Arberesh with Arvanites...
Arberesh were free to do as they liked, Arvanites had their language,schools, etc outlawed....they faced assimliation tactics just as Albanians did in the North in Montenegro...In the North they added Vic to the name to slavicize them(now some refer to themselves as Yugoslavians, an ethnicity that doesn't exist)..in the South they added Tis to make it sound Greek ..some held through though
@Bardh87 Nuk mundesh me krahasue Arbnesht e Arvanitasit? E pse? Arbnesht lane vendin e tyne shi 4 kavaljete ma para se arvanitasit t' baheshin pjese e Grekise. Pra barra per ruejtjen e giuhes ka kene ma e madhe per arbnesht sesa per arvanitasit! Arvanitsit njaty afer i patne shqyptart, e pse nuk u bane me t'a? Pse shqyptart i kane ndeje besnik turkut deri n' 1912. Deri n' piken ma t' funit kan derdhe gjak per dovlet e mret!
@arcamDeitango Arvanitet kan imigrua ne Greqi Rreth shekullit 11 dhe 12, disa tjer thojn qe ne shekullujt 14-15. Ajo d.m.th qe ne me heret se Arberesht e Italis ose ne kohen e njejt
Une thash nuk mundesh to krahasosh sepse Arberesht nuk kan qen ner nje system asimilimi....
Arvanitet u asimiluan shume vond...n'fund te shekujt 19 dhe ne shekun 20...gjuha e lashtligjuar, etj por rrolin me te madh tek asimilimu tyre ka qen Kisha Ortodoxe qe i beri te ndjejn lidhje me Greket...lidhje besimi jo gjaku.
@arcamDeitango The first Christian Albanian migrations to what is today Greek territory took place as early as the XI-XII centuries (Trudgill, 1975:5; Banfi, 1994:19), although the main ones most often mentioned in the bibliography happened in the XIV-XV centuries, when Albanians were invited to settle in depopulated areas by their Byzantine, Catalan or Florentine rulers (Tsitsipis, 1994:1; Trudgill, 1975:5; Nakratzas, 1992:20-24 & 78-90; Banfi, 1994:19)
Now we have a gypsy trying to threaten us....a gypsy who's country was freed because of Albanians...a gypsy who's tradition is nothing but bits of Albanian culture that was adopted....a gypsy who worships Albanian men but yet tries to deny their true origin and language....one who claims to be of their origin but doesn't even speak their language...a mixed sperm of different ethnicities thinks he has grown the balls and heart to stand up to the image he so fiercely tries to be...fucking joke
"..The rich Hydriote ship-owner, Conduriottis, held the title of President of Greece. He was an Albanian, unable to speak Greek. And so the leaders of both armies in the war came, as did many of the fighting men, from that violent illiterate race who had not yet learned to prefer nationalism to other loyalties"
"..As the news became more detailed there was a search for heros. The Mainotes were of course the Modern Spartans but Marco Botsaris, the Albanian Suliote leader, was usually taken as the Modern Leonidas. When stories appeared of a woman of Hydra, Boubolina, leading the Greeks in battle, she was dubbed the Modern Artemisia or the Greek Joan of Arc."
"....It is a striking fact that the leading defenders of Greek liberty at this time were largely Non-Greek. Koundouriotis was decended from the Albanian invadors of Greece in the 14th century...One of the few leaders who maintained resistance far to the north of the Gulf of Corinth was the Souliote,Marko Botsaris,whos followers were largely Albanian"
@MrExorcist7 The latin root of "ALB" is the exact contrary of that in albanian. If "alb" or "alp" in latin means -mountain- ; in albanian the word "arben" means 'plain', so 'arbnesht' or 'arv(anites)' are the inhabitants of the plains. For what concern "Shqiptar" as son of Eagles, probably is some sort of story told from poets, since the most of the inhabitants of Albania lived on the mountains, is normal that someone who was so romantic in his soul called the "Sons of eagles".
@MrExorcist7 Neo-ottomans because they are muslims. I'm from the mountains and i am still catholic. But close to us is living a population that is everything but europeans. This population is called "slavs". They are not europeans and does not have any european roots. Their origin is from Sarmatia Asiatica. they never been classified as a european population by origin. They came here 1600 years ago, they found the real europeans living in their territories...
@arcamDeitango yes they are europians ,slavs can be consider europians because of they're slavic heritage ,you can look they're races if slavs ain't Europians than Germans/Teutos/Vikings aren't too but you know europian doesn't mean just being a roman/hellenic/illyrians
PS;To slavs look like German maybe you can see that better than me!
@arcamDeitango Right, Slavs aren't european by blood. They just mixed up with native european people, thats why they got very different slavic language...
Near eastern extraction means that in medieval times or even from antiquity you came from there, simple as that. All people came from somewhere, you look closer to the armenians/chechens/georgians in looks and most even afghani! Am I lying? Go and see afghan features, exactly like an albanian. Type afghan in google. I am not talking about the half-mongolid ethnicities in afghanistan, but the caucasians ( as used as a term in anthropology, not denoting region necessarily) dont start me with vids
@RockOnHellas Fuck me lets meet so i can see if you have the balls to insult me to my face,?You greek albanians strong headed thats something you still have incommon,But really Are you that retarded?You are a waste of space,,Lower than a pig,,fuck off now you think you know everything about my people,,But you dont this is the greek bit use recieved not so long ago,
@ktm066 LOL go to hell you idiot, as if it's not enough that you created videos insulting both greek and greek arvanite people, now go and fuck yourself and return back to your muslim ancestors and leave arvanite people deciding on their own what they are before you get annihilated for a second time in history, AND TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, if ( sadly not) somethings happens between greece and albanian we arvanites will be the first to come and put an end to that joke that is called albania.
My mistake I saw the videos. The albanian man you posted isn't the typical for the common albanian immigrant in greece, he has some albanian features in his physiognomy, but I don't think I thought he was albanian at first sight. The other videos show people of predominantly near-eastern extraction, thanks for proving it yourself, with exotic ( not beautiful) features, and they are not predominantly light skinned/haired/eyed, they look NOWHERE near arvanites, thanks again for proving it!!!!
@RockOnHellas Listen to me arvanties have mixed there blood with greeks,,,They are not albanians anymore,,I am showing you videos because your propaganda is really strong,,eastern extractions,LOL you idiot,
@ktm066 Finally you understood that there are no pure arvanite people ( almost), and for instance I am 1/4 arvanite, so insulting us that way ( ACTUALLY GO DIE YOU SORRY MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKERS, YOU EVEN HAVE THE NERVE TO INSULT US AND AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM US AS YOUR OWN KIN, FUCKIN PUSSIES) is 2xlaughable. Still however saying I am 1/4 albanian is like telling me I am 1/4 gypsy.
@RockOnHellas I already know this,But this is why you say arvaties are not albanians and tosks are greeks bla bla bla,,,Have you not thought northen albanians and tosks were same people? and when use mixed with lower tosks who are my brothers made lies saying all tosks are greeks and ghegs are turks or caucasus you you not thought that what you say is soo propaganda?tosks who didnt mix with greeks dont look anything like arvanties,your just half albanians and half greeks,
@RockOnHellas :D :D this Video is prove enough to expose you ass blood sellers. Honourless gayreek cocksuckers. ARBERESHET NEVER BEEN MUSLIM YOU STUPID GAYREEK PROPAGANDA FILLED MIXED LOSER! GO and suck gayreek cocks in your bankrupt gayreece. I hope you die there painfully you crappy TRAITOR Arvamutet
No you fag, you didn't get me. I didn't insult arbereshet people, but I'm answering back at albs because this video offends the arvanite people of greece. Leave what is Ceasar's to Ceasar. Now fuck off. Ah, actually you are not arberesh, you are albanian from albania, oh alright - go suck the cock of turks,italians,germans,natos and who knows what else. We are not related to you anyway, but only you have sold his blood.
No you fag, you didn't get me. I didn't insult arbereshet people, but I'm answering back at albs because this video offends the arvanite people of greece. Leave what is Ceasar's to Ceasar. Now fuck off. Ah, actually you are not arberesh, you are albanian from albania, oh alright - go suck the cock of turks,italians,germans,natos and who knows what else. We are not related to you anyway, but only you have sold his blood.
@RockOnHellas Your an Albanian?(cuz Arvanites were Albanian)....You don't speak their language, can't sing their songs.....Who are you? You have confused yourself...your not an Arvanite...your a gypsy, vlah,turk,greek mixed blood..Don't try to speak in behalf of Arvanites idiot...Arvanites didn't even speak Greek...I understand Greece has adopted fustanella, tried to modify albanian music to their language, etc...but that is no authority to speak in behalf of Albanians, only to be a fake one.
LOL I shouldn't try speaking about arvanites, when I am arvanite by both sides, both surnames, but you should... Actually you should be ashamed. There is no commenting in what you said, I just leave it for people to see here by themselves. I shouldn't be speaking on behalf of me but a turkish dwarf should lol ok.
@RockOnHellas ive lost count of Gayreeks who claim to be arvanites in order to fabricate arvanite history! how can an arvanite claim to have no relation to albanains when arvanitika is "albanian"!!! im a northerner and understand arvanitika perfectly. Arvanites these days try hard to prove that they're patriotic greeks (quite pathetic) because they're looked down upon hence! the heroes of the greek revolution were arvanite hence albanin who did not speak a single word of greek! hmmm interesting
@hekoka Look cocksucker, as you all idiots are the original offenders, go get a life, and leave as arvanite people alone. I won't answer to cyber-warriors anymore. Were did I offend you? It's ALWAYS you that offend and play victims thereafter. That arvanites are looked down is a myth, and I am not sure about here but have explained in detail. Arvanites were merchants, sailsmen, politicians, landowners etc etc Actually many greeks ARE part arvanite. Alb nation is new aswell as the greek...
@RockOnHellas oh please refrain from using profanities as your mother could be watching this (when shes not watching herself getting piledrived by albo immigrants lmao). Dude you go on like you would intimidate anyone but the day i get intimidated by a gayreek i kill myself! i would blow that empty of yours to pieces you turkic mongol cunt. get back on your camel and head off east to where you came from. Arvanits are not a myth! they're real they're still alive. theyre on youtube singing lol
@hekoka Look at my PM, just to see how stupid you are, I told you a truth, you tell me BS, I told you to go take your mother from the bordels, nothing more nothing less. You offend, but Im saying a very possible truth. I am tall and white in contrast to the shit that you sprew, I have actually proven that to an albanian member, that I admit looked pretty much white aswell, in contrast to the dark masses of some albanian dwarfs here. Maybe northern albs are a different story who knows.
None of the videos appear, they all say error, try to link again correctly. If there are tall light haired albanians and these are ghegs, THEN SIMPLY THE ALBANIAN IMMIGRANTS IN GREECE ARE NOT GHEGS, GOT THAT TO YOUR FUCKIN HEAD? Stop pleading me, but no... continue it is becoming entertaining, prove to the world world that you drop to our feet and want us as a part of your nation if you are so proud with so many deeds. I don't need to do anything.
@RockOnHellas rubbish and i think you are a little shocked because you thought diffrent admit it,cause i cant see much diffrence between our to people.
@ktm066 OOO wait look they are dark and short,,This brown hair i talk of,,WOW THEY DARK, 76rhGsxVHk This is dibra do you know who was born here WOW THEY ARE DARK OR I MUST BE COLOUR BLIND?? vUfUe4vI844.....
@ktm066 This man at 3.07 is same feature as me and my family same hair same everything, ziKWbwjOkAU so before you insult with your nonsence just studie more now i show greeks with blue green eyes and light hair,
@ktm066 XwfRC8w9k5o WOW look at kosova GHEG albanians they are so dark lol They even where scandergegs helmet,I put these videos so you and any greek and any arbresh has doubt about us kosova albanians we still kept it all.Religion is onlything some albanians lost but that is fine they preserved there language and blood,,NOW LETS SEE GREEKS/
@ktm066 oESfs-XaA_o wow same colour eyes..You must be slavnics to,Or maybe caucasus aswell yer? I must say they hot as.Lets see close look at albanian woman..5qjZq0PpxSU mmm kosova woman soo beautiful and pure dont you think...Well they are soooo slavnic to because they also have colured eyes,,Grow up rock. THIS ONE YOU WILL LIKE GREEK ALBANIAN, YOU MISS OUT ON THESE BEAUTIFUL ALBANIANS OOPS KOSOVA ALBANIANS I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE ARE SOOO DIFFRENT, . kXDK-yiA-S4
I dont know what too answer about that maybe it was two kingdoms which mixed with each other, maybe these two kingdoms have corporated and mixed with each others befor the Alexander the great that the greeks took the Dardania by wining the war against a Dardan king, Epirus Kosovo Macedonia and the region have been more or less mixing with each others there they created one people or mix something, what did I read by that facts,I am not living in Kosovo, I grew up in sweden
FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS, CRIMINAL SCUM SLAVES. PUT ULTIMATE ETHNIC ORIGIN ASIDE AND REMEMBER WHO FOUGHT AGAINST THE TURKS AND WHO SUCKED THEIR COCKS BACK THEN. AS IF ITS NOT ENOUGH THAT WE ACCEPT AND FEED YOU HERE IN GREECE, THAT WE THE ARVANITE PEOPLE PARTLY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS CREATION, NOW YOU TELL US THAT WE SOLD OUR BLOOD??? ITS Y-O-U THAT HAVE SOLD YOUR BLOOD WITH SUCKING THE COCK OF EACH INVADER - TURK, ITALIAN, GERMAN, AMERICAN. ALSO REMEMBER THE GHEGS ARE CAUCASIAN GYPSIES FUCKUAGAIN
@RockOnHellas No one sold there blood...GHEGS ARE CAUCASIAN GYPSIES FUCKUAGAIN hahahah,are they just?Just like the arbreshes?Because most of them were northern albanians,,You are a fool.. Scanderbeg is caucasus.?LOL you know the gheg albanians kept all traditions even when turks came..They also speak a dilect that is older than yours,Most of there language is PIE,,,,Learn before you open there mouth
@ktm066 Aren't kosovo albanians ghegs or what??? What are they, slavs??????!!! Who are you fooling here??? I have seen how these people look, extremely differentiated looks to arvanite people. I never attacked arbereshet people, on the contrary I respect them in contrast to modern day albanians... I did never say Scanderbeg is caucasus, you are making conclusions out of your head for nothing, I just said that the majority of today's albanians are caucasian immigrants and look so...
@RockOnHellas HAHA fuck off you idiot,You know why we diffrent because you mixed with greeks,,That is why,You think we are caucasus because we look diffrent to you?Fuck me what do you expect arvanties are mixture now greek and albanian,,Look at scanderbeg ha he same as ghegs..HA?Arbreshes look more gheg than what of tosks and fled same time...Kosova ghegs are same as northern ghegs kosova,dardania,epirus,albania all albanian people and land,,Greeks belong in asia minor,
@RockOnHellas Use came and try to assimulate the old people of balkans but you see WE ARE STILL HERE,,You say ghegs are caucasus i say greeks are turkish christain WHY,same dna,same features,share over 10,,000 words that are same with greek language,I checked and its true,,You greeks mixed blood we saved our blood and choose diffrent religion result cleaner blood than you,,So dont insult muslim albanians because they have clean blood than you greeks,,gheg albanians are thracian-illiyran
@ktm066 You insult my mother,I bet you wouldnt have balls to say that to my face, id shove your balls so far up your arse you would wish you never would say that,BUT you to far from me,,Arvanties sold there blood when greeks tryed to assimultae arvanties and yes many have been,,Greeks have more turksih than albanian you and your shitty turkish dna..fuck off now you dark skinned hairy chested dark eyed turkish christain,,U fuck you so hard you pig,You fled like cowards,,
@ktm066 I insult those that insult me, I bet you wouldn't come near me and tell me I am of albanian descent and have sold my "blood" yuck. In the beginning I thought you were arberesh so I said the albanians in albania can go fuck themselves with that type of behaviour, not the arberesh people that are descendants of fighters rather than turk collaborators ( aswell as collaborators of germans/italians/nato). and LOL I am nowhere near as you described.
@RockOnHellas I would come strait to you and tell you that you are,,This is problem no one sold blood just some changed religion to save there blood,,Tell me who is traders and who sold blood.was it arvanties who did?because they left my family and many more familys to try DEFEND OUR LANDS AND SAVE RELIGION WITCH THEY LOST?SO HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SAY THIS?HOW YOU ARE A HIPOCRITE,YOU FLED LIKE COWARDS,AND THE ONES WHO STAYED FOUGHT AND NEVER GAVE UP,NOW WHO IS COWARDS NOW//
@ktm066 Debate is over when IQ of one participant is <70, it always goes nowhere. Arvanites migrated as early as the 10th century some accounts say but at least you can be sure that majority went down from 12th-14th century. That is BEFORE turks came, is that UNDERSTOOD? They didn't leave any of your families, you are dreaming and nothing else. The area that arvanites came from mainly is Arvanon, which is central albania today and many from the south. The language is related to tosk not geg
@RockOnHellas by the way gheg language isnt just in northern albania,There is cental gheg southern east west and north,,So as before learn more arvantie albanian..
@ktm066 I come mainly from the Ionian Islands and as I explained on PM, these people had the first two victories against the turkalbanians without even having been turkish captives!!! No turkish blood and hypothetical shit you post there. Also the type you described I SWEAR is the albanian type in greece, short dark skinned, haired/eyed, hairy, even john wilkes said that lol I have read that ghegs are supposed to be tall but rarely are albanians here tall, but stereotypically short.
@ktm066 Who started all of this?...albanians. Now the ancestors of muslims ( that even fought against your own national hero for that sake) come and insult who? the arvanite people that fought against the turks? Sure there are mixed people here, however I am nowhere close to a turk, in that aspect you should take a look at how albanians look like here in greece and tell if that is european or not. If there are few european looking ones it is not my fault that the rest look asiatic.
@RockOnHellas Now the ancestors of muslims,,NEVER..if you are arvantie then why are you in here>? Are you tryingto get a reply in here saying arbreshes are greek?Then why dont you right in here arbreshes are greek and see how many people disagree..WHAT are turkalbanians explain?
@ktm066 Turkalbanians were called the combined forces of the ottomans, that had the albanian element present in them. I will list down many famous ones (most defeated BTW), I am surprised you aren't acquainted with that part of your history and the fact that albanians raided regurarly pelopponesus. I didn't say arberesh are greeks, you see I am not offending those that I respect and that respect me in return, that is albanian trait. Take a look at your video and this one...
@RockOnHellas So because some albanian helped turks mean albanians are turks?All from what i hurd was that albanians fought albanians..nothing wrong with my video it is about serbian pigs,and greek gays,,what is wrong with this,, truth hurts much people,,
@RockOnHellas There will be a time when much greeks who are more turkish than anything will tell truth...you say turkalbanians BUT i dont understand take a good look at greeks. because if we want to put turk with albanian to say we are mix turkish also then i have to put 1 word that describes turks GREEKS.,LETS SEE CYPRIS THEY ARE MAINLY ALL TURK, CRETE TURK..THRACE TURK,,PONTUS GREEKS TURKS, MUCH MORE PLACES...
@ktm066 The fact that in thrace or cyprus for instance turks exist doesn't mean that greek are turks, or turks are greeks LOL what do you want to say with that? I take a good look at greeks, and I see nothing atypical for southeastern europe, then I take a good look at albanians lol, and I see armenian chechen and turk look alikes, what are the serious differences, can you explain??? I can't set appart a chechen ( the turkish looking individuals mostly) crowd from albanians and yet...
@RockOnHellas The fact that in thrace or cyprus for instance turks exist doesn't mean that greek are turks,Then you will understand what i mean aswell?
albanians are not slaves or east, you mean maybee greeks just because you supports each others, if we were same people they should recognize republic of kosova but they does not like greece and greeks are mixed with armenians and other people who fleed from turkey and I cant see any diffrence between lebanese or greeks or some asyrs and I have meet both so you dont know what you are saying
the ones that went off turkey didn't exceed the 10% of the general population of greece and if I remember correctly the figures dictate a much smaller percentage. Also these people are mostly of some mediterranean/alpine ( if you are familiar with these anthropological terms) phetotype ( thus greek) and can even look identical to greeks from Ionian Islands where no turks set foot, however it is true that a substantial amount of them are non-white. Your point has no value.
so you are arvanite my cousine, the reality is diffrence its easy to talk and say maybe its the free world and how the democracy works but many kingdoms falled under the slaves and many people in balkan get slaved so the Kosovo was the last place the got maybe the people corporated with turks in Kosovo Dardania and down too Greece so maybe they used Turks too keep the language and culture by changing the religion and Islam in Kosovo is like Catholic culture and so on,
@mehmet80b Look, I understand that there are different perspectives of viewing history and also that everything has to be examined according to it's timeframe and the bigger situation that characterizes it and so on. OK, all this is debatable at least. But nonetheless, that proves my point, that this video belongs to a wider propagandistic thinking and tries to prove very viciously that arvanites are the same for instance as albanian ghegs which is false, even the tosks are different.
@RockOnHellas Ti parlo in italiano forsse lo capisci vuoi greci non centrate propio con la storia con nessuna storia al mondo,la vostra storia e fasulla e se vuoi ti do le prove dei storici
1 vuoi avete una lingua artificiale lingua della chiesa
2li ilirici pellasgi sono nei ballcani prima di tutti
3vuoi 2 mila anni fa parlavate albanese ti do pure le prove
4se dicete che in italia erano i greci spartani perche nessuno parla il greco e tutti parlano il arbresh??
@MegaILIRIA Look I am not arberesh, I descend partly from the arvanite people of greece (don't know if they originally constitute any part of the italian arberesh though)
Do you speak english? If not we can't conversate. It's not a matter of ethnic origin mostly ( which btw the notion that arvanites are albanians is FALSE, and if asked I can explain why, it can mostly be the other way around and not that) but of doings of the past, and the arvanite people fought in contrast to albanians
@MegaILIRIA Look I am not arberesh, I descend partly from the arvanite people of greece (don't know if they originally constitute any part of the italian arberesh though)
Do you speak english? If not we can't conversate. It's not a matter of ethnic origin mostly ( which btw the notion that arvanites are albanians is FALSE, and if asked I can explain why, it can mostly be the other way around and not that) but of doings of the past, and the arvanite people fought in contrast to albanians
@RockOnHellas YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT,YOU ARE ASSIMULATED ALBANIANS..FLED FROM THE OTTOMANS AFTER SCANDERBEGS DEATH,jUST LIKK ARBRESH WITCH IS OK FOR THEM BECASUE THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE,yOU CALL ALBANIANS DARK BUT YOU GREEK AS YOU THINK YOU ARE HAVE TURKISH DNA ALSO fcat AND MUCH MUCH MOTRE THAN ALBANIAN.WITCH ALSO IS FACT.GO RUN NOW GREEKS= CHRISTIAN TURKS NOTHIN MORE..
Thank god the turks forced most of the arvanits out of greece.Those who remained in epirus were converted to islam an finally left.Ironically the turks made a good ethinic cleansing in greece.Else all those arberesh people would pretend that they are Greek like some arvanitic ucks i see comenting here
ultraV1r 1 week ago
@ultraV1r /watch?v=ZrDH4d-8Mos&feature=channel_video_title
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 i ve been in your pathetic country.You like 100 years behind us.But you deserve even worse.
ultraV1r 1 week ago
@ultraV1r But the difference is that we are going forward....
viwiteletabies 5 days ago
@MARKOforever100
watch?v=M6BHrFdK3nQ
IllyriaMacedonia 5 days ago
greeks are arnauts like albanian they are mixed with all kind of people Macedonian,Arnaut Albanian ,Vlach ,Turks /watch?v=TVBU9GCzqJ0 Geronimos Nikolopoulos
explains the term "Greek
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 hahahaha...the slav spoke,listen to him.His country is full of albanians,vlachs,turks,roma...hahahah
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
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MrAbagaz 1 week ago
Respect from an Albanian from Macedonia!
Brothers forever!
TheValmirZz 2 weeks ago 9
me ja prer koken ni grekit dalin dy shkije
The90Albaner 3 weeks ago
arvanites are will be and was albanian . as long they wont forget their songs .
drreik 1 month ago
bravoooooooo zoti e bekoft albania very nice to know who you r we know why you left albania but beter that than to become muzllum 1000000
nardina100 1 month ago
AND BEFORE WORLD WAR 2 THE PLACE WAS CALLED PGIANA DEI GRECI,BECAUSE THE LITURGY IN THEIR CHURCHES WAS HELD IN GREEK LANGUAGE
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
Even those arberesh have greek speaking religon songs...hahaha poor albanians
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
Αnyone who thinks that Arberesh are Greeks is wrong...also anyone who thinks that Arvanites are Albanians is wrong too.
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz And anyone who thinks that Albanians are Albanians is wrong.... Oahahahhahaha you Greek monkey you are still around... and why are they speaking Albanian and keeping the Albanian flag Oahahahha you greeks are rally stupid and ignorant... I now feel really sorry for my self for lusing such a time with a stupid freak greek guy like you at the video of Aristidi Kola teaching history to you.... Oahahahahha you are really freak....
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 STupd bitch learn reading...i said arberesh are albanians.Arvanits not...visit any arvanit village in Greece and tell them they are albanians.Just try it motherfucker
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz
Because arvanites have been brainwashed for so many years.....
Their dances ,their songs,their traditional cloths are albanian but arvanites are not?
It is ok.Everyone can feel what ever he want......but the truth is not mater of feelings.
ComandanteCrus 1 month ago
@ComandanteCrus Arvanites brainwashed?Arvanites have been prime ministers,ministers,chiefs of the navy during the last 200 years..they were never brainwashed since a lot of them occupied hig ranks in the greek administration.It was their choice to belng to the greek nation since they are and feel greeks.I can agree with you only in the matters of language since they speak a language i cannot understand,but language never indicates ethnicity(eg scots and irish,they speak english)
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz Oahahhaha stupid greek monkey.... then why greek minority all over the world have to be greek as you said they are just speaking greek.... you are so ignorant that you erase all greek minority in the world only with one phrase.... One question: Are all the greek monkeys so FUCKING STUPID as you are ?
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz
Before 200 years arvanites knew very well from where they were from.
I am speaking about today.(I belive that even today they know but some reasons don't let them admit it)
When there are borders for so many years,asimilation for so many years,no school for their language,punishment if they used it.I cant see where is the choise they made to belong to the greek nation.
I repeat I know that arvanites feel greeks today as I know many greeks in albania feel albanians.
ComandanteCrus 1 month ago
@ComandanteCrus i admit that listening to arvanitic songs i dont understand anything at all.It is indeed an albanian originating language no doubt about it.What i am saying is that language doesnt always indicate naitonality.I dont want to talk about genetics because it remiands me of Hitler tactics,but think that after so many centuries of mixing with the Greeks,how much albanian blood is in them??
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz
Arvanites are albanians by blood and greeks by consciouness.
I can accpet this,but I can not accept when greeks say that arvanite language is greek???!!!
Anyway not all arvanites call themselves greek,some of them ( the most educated ones)still say that are arbresh -albanians.The rest who are not educated enough and believe everything the greek church says,call themselfs greek.
In this video are arbresh of Italy and they say without problem they are albanians.
Albani1111 1 month ago
@Albani1111 NO this is not the truth.All Arvanites have greek identity.There have been educated arvanites prime ministers,naval chiefs all proud Greeks,that fought for the glory of Greece.Greece is a european country and doesnt wait from the church to educate its citizens.You guys live in Albania,you dont know how things are in Greece about the Arvanite issue.Arvanites are the most fanatic Greeks and struggle to prove their Greek identity.I do know that the language is not Greek
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@Albani1111 But you cant tell people how to feel.During the 1821revolution allarvanites fought alongside with the greeks against TURKS and muslim ALBANIANS,and those stories go from generaiton to generation,AND MODERN DAY ARVANITES HATE TO BE CALLED ALBANIANS.thats the truth in GREECE,you either accept it or you can still make up your own theories
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz And there is not such a thing ar albanians by blood.How can you prove that since Arvabites have been living here for the last 8 centuries,in places populated by Greeks?MIxing with them is unavoidable,plus arvanites came from places of albania that were also populated by greeks.Medieval albania had a vivid greek population and most parts of your country were culturally affected by the greeks.BACHK THEN THERE WAS NO NATIONAL IDENTITY AS WE KNOW IT TODAY
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz
Most of Arvanites come from North Albania or Kosovo.
Look at their last names,most of them are from North Albania and Kosovo.
Secondly, the main reason than Arvanites call themselves greek is that Greece is better economically than Albania.
If in 1944 in Yalte,three Big powers would decided that Greece join Easter Block and Albanian join Western block,90% of Arvanites today will call themselves albanian and would be in line for a visa in front of Albanian embassy.
Albani1111 4 weeks ago
@MrAbagaz
Abt language thank god, I see one greek that says their language is not greek.
As for 1821 revolution which I call Albanian Civil War(90% og greek army spoke albanian and 80% of turk army spoke albanian) we also have Ali Pasha movement who almost succeded.If Ali Pasha would won today we would have an Illyric-helenic federation with 20 million people start from Mitrovica till Crete.Instead greeks (not arvanites coz they were uneducated than) sided and still side with serbs.
Albani1111 4 weeks ago
@Albani1111 I will repeat this t0 you one more time...Arvanites have been fanatic greeks all over the 19th and 20th century.What you called about the passports is something you just assume and not the truth.Dude you have a misconception about Arvanites,since they ve been feeling Greek for centuries and not the past 50 years,i cant make it any clearier to you.Karaiskakis,Kolokotronis,Diakos,,Kanaris,Makriyiannis,Androutsos and so many other major leaders of the revolution were Greek.
MrAbagaz 4 weeks ago
@Albani1111 I can go on writting you names from all over Greece,from Macedonia and Transylvania till Crete,that were not Arvanites.So that 90% you said is not only untrue but dangerous to be reffered.The 1821 revolution was a greek revolution against the ottomans,a revolution that many arvanites took part,and thats logical since arvanites belonged to the romioi milliet(they were considered Greks)
MrAbagaz 4 weeks ago
@Albani1111 And of course we side by the Serbs...Serbs are true friends you can see how they speak about Greece,the respect our ancient civilization and love our country.ALbanian immigrants in Greece show a realy dissrespectful face towards us.They created gangs,stealing and raping...even little kids have an aggressive behaviour,and they often insult Greece and Greeks.YOu cant expect from us to have the best feelings towards you
MrAbagaz 4 weeks ago
@MrAbagaz !
All emigrants in the begining couse problems.Greeks in Germany,Australia etc have couse problems too.
As for serbs rescpecting you is a big joke.Serbs want you now,once you can not help them they will kick you out.
Look they were the first state to recongnise FYROM as Republic of Macdeonia officially.
I always thought that two oldest nations of Balkans greeks and Albanians wpuld have been real power IF greek politicians would have been smart.Anyway this is just my theory.
Albani1111 3 weeks ago
@Albani1111 Greeks in Germany were invited to work in the factories they were Gastarbeiters.Before they enter the country they were examined by doctors for diseases,and the German state placed them all over the country.Albanians in Greece came from the mountains..there was no controll at all,many of them were ex prisoners,they had no papers and they were starving,thats why they caused many problems,and the Greek society was so prejudiced against you
MrAbagaz 3 weeks ago
@Albani1111 Prior to 1990,Greeks(and the whole Europe) didn't know anything about Albania,and had no problem with you,since you were an isolated nation because of communism.After the massive waves of immigration and the problems that were created,Greeks started being racist.If you were watching the news in the 90's,you would hear daily,crimes commited by albanian gangs,and that's not exaggeration.If you heared that every crime in Albania was commited by Greeks,what would you do?
MrAbagaz 3 weeks ago
@Albani1111 Serbs are friends and you cant change this opinion to me,and lets not argue about Serbs in this conversation.I really cannot understand why you make the connection of communism and the feelings of the Arvanites??I am telling you,arvanites have been prime ministers of Greece before 1900,arvanites have proved their patriotism hundrends of years before ww2,just talk to any greek arvanite in youtube or come in Greece and ask them,there is nothing more for me to add on this
MrAbagaz 3 weeks ago
@MrAbagaz
Secondly,I am not saying that arvanites are albanian,I am just saying that they come From albania and they have albanian blood.But when I see greeks tell me arvanitika is greek.
As for their nationality,I told you if Greece would have fall in communism and Albania in the West,I can bet you that arvanites will consider themselves albanian.
Trust me on this.
Albani1111 3 weeks ago
@Albani1111 Almost everyone in Greece knows that Manjani an Xhellili are Albanians we are not that fool.IN fact Greeks are such an anti-patriotic nation that consider also Piros Dimas and every greek form northern Epirus Albanian.PLease dont be another Albanian that calls Pirros ALbanian.The guy is from HImarra.And with the germans and italians have no problem beacause we dont interract with them in our everyday lives,and there are no german or italina gangs in Greece
MrAbagaz 3 weeks ago
@MrAbagaz
Thirdly,
I can tell you that Greece and greek church ha done a bad propoganda against Albania.I am orthodox myself but when Greece and greek church considers me greek,this is pure lie.
They have braiwashed arvanites for 200 years that they have nothing to do with albanians.
Yo guys have been killed and raped in WWII by germans and italians more than by albanians.Yet,with Italy and Germany you have had very good realtionship,while with Albania you still remember 1821!!!
Albani1111 3 weeks ago
@Albani1111 At least you admit that Greeks are one of the olest nations in Europe...you have to be the 2nd Albanian i ve met in youtube that says something like this.Most of you call us gipsys turks and bullshit...forgetting that we maintanined our religion,and that prevented us from mixing with the Ottomans,unlike you that turned to islam(most of you not everyone)...
MrAbagaz 3 weeks ago
@MrAbagaz !
People in Albania know that greeks and albanians are the oldest nation in Balkan.
Abt converting on Islam.We fought against turks more than anyone nation in Balkan,under Scandarbeg by winning 36 battles and lost only 1.We paid heavy price for that, 1/3 of population killed,1/3 exiled.The 1/3 that have left had no choice,to be dead or to convert in Islam.But also most of albanians converted in Islam in 1800s.You had the Church and serbs their king.Ours had gone or killed.
Albani1111 3 weeks ago
@MrAbagaz !
Dont forget that almost half of arvanites themsefves were muslim,and the irland of Creta was for 300 years muslim.
Unlike greeks and serbs who had either the church or the kind between themseves and Sultan,albanians after Scandebeg were alone.So the remaining population had no choice.
We accept greeks as the oldest nation in Balkan,I never can accept serbs as authoctons.
Abt friendship with serbs,you guys should be ashamed being on the side with the butchers of the Balkan.
Albani1111 3 weeks ago
@MrAbagaz greeks did not maintain thier religion...greeks were allowed to keep thier religion. but even many greeks also turned muslims, there is 300,000 Greek muslims that live near the Black Sea today.
keeping your religion was not a prevention of mixing with Ottomans, greeks didnt have a problem to mix with ottomans.
greeks didnt have tribal society as Albanians to prevent mixing. many Albanians were subjected to forced conversions but even muslim Albanians fought against ottomans.
IllyriaLion 1 week ago
@IllyriaLion Greeks in Asia Minor(modern day Turkey) were indeed converted to islam,but they were not considered Greeks anymore,since they changed sides.Thats why in less that 1 century,the Asia Minor,from a copmletely christian-greek area,became muslim,because of convertion.But they were no more considered part of the greek nation.Greeks in mainland Greece kept their religion,and NO they didnt mix with ottomans,it was forbidden.To mix with the ottomans you had to change religion
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
@IllyriaLion not only the greeks the christians in general...people that remained christian after the ottoman occupation can claim some racial purity...muslim albanians were part of the ottoman world,they were generals, governors,great parts of the army were of albanian origin.Back in those days muslim albanians were no different from the Turks,you were conisdered ottomans because of religion,ottomans didnt care about race,their only target was to convert people to islam
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
@MrAbagaz what racial purity can greeks and other christians claim? greeks invited the ottomans inside of Europe as brothers to join the armies and cultures to fight against Slavic and Avar invasions. serbs are christians but we know that up to 6 Sultans from ottoman Empire were from Serbian origins. yes Albanians served in the ottoman ranks but so did the Greeks. it didnt matter if you were muslim or christian for many positions. also dont forget the greek janisaries who served for the ottomans
IllyriaLion 1 week ago
@IllyriaLion Greeks did not invite Ottomans for gods shake..ottomans invaded Asia Minor,as a result of immigrations,it is just the route of history.I am telling you that Greeks were also converted to islam,and there were also Greek janissaries too...but after the convertion they were no more considered Greeks,they were part of the ottoman milliet
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
@IllyriaLion I am not talking about higly educated personalities,that would serve the ottoman bureaucracy.I am talking about everyday poor peole.A christian male could not marry a muslim female,unless he converted to islam and vice versa.This is what i am trying to point out.For example Mustafa Kemal was the Kid of an Albanian(muslim) man and a Turkish woman.Ths could never happen if one of the parents was of christian faith
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
@MrAbagaz greeks were mixed with the turks before religious problems started in Europe. many christians and muslims from all people married eachother. yes greeks did invite turks inside Europe first against Arvanite Albanians and then against slavs and Avars. there is many instances of greeks and turks producing offspring together so please dont try to feed us this religious affiliation propaganda. the 300,000 greek muslims near the black sea still call themselves as greeks.
IllyriaLion 1 week ago
those 300 000 dont call thems elves greeks,they are turks that speak a dialect rumca,but they have turkish identity unfortunately.About the bullshit of greeks marrying turks i won;t write anything.If you knew that christians in ottoman empire were 3rd class citizens you wouldn't say that crap.So i guess that you support that only Greeks mixed with Turks.Albanians did not according to you??let me see your opinion about that
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
@IllyriaLion The Avars were centuries ago,before even Turks were even a tribe in Mongolia dont write crap,if you dodn't know.The BYzantines were in a continuous war fron the battle of Manzikert in 1071,till the fall of Constantinopole in 1453 with the ottomans and the Seldjuks,how can you say that they invited them??They invited them to ruin their Empire??THis is silly as hell...they jyst some times collaborated with them to get rid of the LAtin rule.THis shit happens
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
@IllyriaLion Ι guess this bullshit of Turks mixing with Greeks,is very covenient for all natonalists Albanians.YOu come up with this theory so as you can claim,ancient origins of Illyrians and to feel you are an ancient people.Albanians are not refered anywhere in world history prior to 12th century.You converted to Islam,and thats why you are the most mixed race in the balkans,among the others,just because there was no problem of Muslims mixing with Muslims.Simple as that dude
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
@MrAbagaz you greeks are worst you convert al christians into greeks including arnauts
albanian ,macedonian etc most procent of you are turkish arvanits but you are not ancient
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@IllyriaLion You Albanians collaborated in the battle of Kossovo with the Serbs so what??
MrAbagaz 1 week ago
@MrAbagaz !
u r considering greeks Mirela Manjani,Luan Shanbani or Xhelili just because they won gold medals for Greece.Why dont tell people that they are albanians but they represent Greece?
The truth would be better and probably greeks society will see albanians with more rescpect,not like in Odisea case where the poor guy even though was the best student, did not participate in parade!Anyway he is doing well in USA now,carrying Albanian flag every Nov 28th.
Albani1111 3 weeks ago
@MrAbagaz
Lastly,not all albanians who fought on turky side were muslims.
There were a lot of catholics and orthodoxs but I admitt mmajority were muslims.
Also on Greek side not all arvanites who fought turks were orthodox.There were muslim arvanites too who fought against turks like Ali Farmaki&co.
Anyway,Happy New Year!
Albani1111 4 weeks ago
@Albani1111 i disagree with youy about the civil war part...IN 1821 the whole Greek world,from Macedonia to Cyprus revolted agianst the Ottomans.But Morea and roumeli were the main parts of the war scene.That 90% of the greek army speaking albanian is an outrageous lie,since the arvanites of the Morea cnsisted no more than 10% of the total population,and those are facts.Where did you get that 90% from?
MrAbagaz 4 weeks ago
@Albani1111 Anyway Happy new year to yo too...and if you want to know the truth about arvanites today,you just have to travel to their places and ask them what they and their ancestors feel like.You will get your answers by them if you are interested.I am not telling you that they have not some albanian origin,but this is not enough to call them albanians.Several other factors create national identity...blood is not enough
MrAbagaz 4 weeks ago
@ComandanteCrus THeir national consciousness is Greek,and for so many centuries they have been fighting along with the other Greeks for their common freedom.During the ottoman empire,and because the ottoman troops were consisted of muslim albanians(turk-albanians),arvaites and the other greeks fought together against the common enemy(turk albanians).Even 200 years ago,arvanites were romioi,part of the greek nation and greek world
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@ComandanteCrus i can understand you interest about them since you speak a similar language.I feel the same about grikos in southern Italy,about Greeks in northern Epirus,About greeks living in Turkey and in Ukraine(black sea shores).BUt arvanites them selves consider themselves greeks,and this is the truth if you visit Greece,you will see for your eyes
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@ComandanteCrus ANd i have no probem talking about Arvanites and their origins,but posts like kuqezi's that greeks are mongolians and that albanians are related to ancient greeks make me laugh.
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz What to try stupid gypsy... A lot of Albanian TV went in those arvanit villages and interview them in Albanian language stupid greek son of the bitch... We tried and they spoke in Albanian... Now FUCK OFF you greek dickhead.....
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 BECAUSE THEIR RELIGIOUS TRADITION IS GREEK ORTHODOX MORON...LEARN SOME HISTORY ABOUT THEM...JUST LEARN.BUKURA MOREA IS PELOPONNISOS IN GREECE.THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALBANIA
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz I can't understand What is your problem with their Albanian origin? They speak Albanian and their names are Albanian... Why you are so disturbed with their origin ? Where is the problem here if they are Albanian origin... In Albania we have a Greek origin hero in the WW2 named Kajo Karafili who fought for the freedom of Albania from Gremans and we never doubt in his origin either tried to convert him in Albanian also we are honorable that someone not Albanian (continue)
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz (continue) fought for Albania... Why you don't accept the Albanian origin of Arvanits and say such a stupid things that an Arvanit is not an Albanian playing with words... Is not our fall that your greek propaganda stopped to call us Arvanits and change it in the Italian name "Albanian". We still call our self "Arban" in Geg dialekt (Illirian) and "Arber" in Tosk dialekt (Epirotic) for that in Italy they are called in the Tosk dialekt "Arberesh" and in Greece (continue)
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz (continue) they are called "Arban" turned in greek dialekt "Arvanit" because the first Albanian who came were warriors from north (Gegs) who were putted to protect Acropolis and payed by the Emperor of Byzantium for this. After them again a wave from north leaded by Gjin Bue Shpata whos name took a place in Attica which is called in now days with his name "Spata" and the pepople there are arvanits. After him most of Albanian warriors who came were tosks (epirots) (Continue)
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz (continue)... that's why they speak the tosk (epirotic) dialect of Albanian language. This is the History and you can not change it... Because greek paramilitary propagand can not erase the name "Arvanit" they complain that arvanit are not albanian and it is the same as to say that Greeks are not "Ελλινασ" (as you call your self in greek)... Can you imagine now how stupid is to say Arvanits are not Albanian... It is the most fucking stupid thing.. you have to be a pig to not (continue)
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz (continue)... understand such a simple thing... But I still can not understand what is your problem with the Albanian origin in Greece... "O Bukura More" means "O beautiful Morea" in Albanian language... Of course they are not talking about Albania (now day state), they are talking about Peloponnese but this have nothing to do with their origin... They are Albanian and they are called arberesh because they were settled with other Albanian from south Albania who were sent (continue)...
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 ....were part of the greek kingdom of Molossoi,greek sepaking kingdom that worshiped the Olympus pantheon,and generally belonged to the greek world.I just want to point the greek presence in central and southern Albania from antiquity since middle ages.Arvanites fled to Greece 8 centuries ago,from places which were also greek populated.IN Greece they settled in places already popoulated by the Greeks,adn because of the common religion they mixed with the local population
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 After living in proximity to the Greeks for 8 centuries,Arvanites became part of the Greek nation,since they fought side by side with the other Greeks,whenever it was needed.During the ottoman occupation,the majority of the ottoman troops that were sent to Greece,were consisted of muslim Albanians mostly Geghs.Arvanites had no problem fighting with them,and slaughtering them whenever it was neede since they were the enemies of their homeland Greece
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 Arvanites along with their own language were also fluent in the Greek language,they were billingulal.Prime ministers,navy chiefs and other high ranking personalites were Arvanites that helped the new born Grek state to rise.There was no brianwashing as you claim,because Arvanites felt they are no different from other Greeks,they kept their language an traditions but their consioucness is Greek.There are in no way Albanian neither by blood nor by customs.
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz (continue) in this area in Italy because their War-Boss (Benedict) had a contract with Turks to pull back Albanian warriors payed by them in Peloponnese and Ottomans with let them to rule some Island in the Ionian sea... Arvanits were betrayed by Their boss of war. Albania was part of Byzantium and of course that almost all Albanian were Greek Orthodox (except of some areas of north which were Catholics), this was the official religion of Byzantium, even a stupid can understand that..
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 I still cannot understand why did you write all those posts,since i wrote with CAPITAL LETTERS THAT ARBERESH ARE DEFINATELY OF ALBANIAN ORIGIN...About arvanites things are much different>Albania back in those days as you probably know was higly popoulated by greeks in the southern and central parts,and there were even albanians that had greek national identity,mostly because of the comon religion.SInce antiquity the southern parts of Albania(epirus)....
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 Theri customs and music are similar to theother Greeks of southern Greece.There are so many songs talking about the Turk-albanians and how they harmed Greece during the ottoman occupation.I invite you to any arvanite speaking village in Greece and tell them,they are albanians.They will give you their answers.Arvanites are the most proud and fanatic Greeks,since they believe they come from the ancient Greek Epirotan kingdoms.This is the truth in Greece
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz Just for your information, Greeks of albanian are not more then 50.000 or 30 villages so 1% of the albanian population.... What you say about North Epir, there are 2 milion Albanian so it is very stupid to speak about Greek North Epir. Second, you are not saying anything else about arvanits (albanians) except of what I mention that the Albanian are more close genetically to the Ancient Greeks then any other people. (continue)
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 Albanians are not closer to ancient greeks,this is your own theory you just made it up,call it the kuqezi theory or how ever you like it.BUt without having any clues stop posting bullshit.I can give you as many ancient greek scripts as you like,try to translate them if you can.ALbanians claiming ancient greek heritage is the most ridiculous thing after slav-monkeydonians,claiming Alexander the great as theirs...this is so LAME
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 Ending the conversation with you,i conclude that our under developed Balkan neighbours(monkeydonians and arnauts)have nothing of their own to be proud about,and invented a nice sport...stealing their glorious neighbours history and historical figures,without taking into conseideration history itself.You dont even care that you cant speak and understand ancient greek,but you claim that you ae genetically related to them...as if you have made a research about it.STUPID
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 And if you had paied more attention to my posts you would see,that i pointed that during the middle ages,modern day Albania was highly populated by Greeks,or even Albanians of Greek culture.Arvanites 8 centuries ago was a mix of them and in no way Albanians,in the modern sense of the term
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz (continue)... Since their song are albanian songs, their traditional dressing is albanian (fustanella), their names are albanian (Bythguri, Botsari, Xhavella, Bubulina, Miauli, Vreto, Gjika, Gjoka, Gjata... etc), they speak albanian, and they are called in their albanian original name "Arban"... WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO PROVE THEIR ALBANIAN ORIGIN ? I am doubting in the meaning of the word "argument" in this point... You want to call the white black and the black white...
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 IN northern Epirus Hoxha regognised 99 villages and you say 30.Furthermore,Greeks dont reside only in those villages,there are many mixed villages in Northern Epirus outside the minority zone,and Greeks living in cities like Sarande Vlore and all over Albania in smaller numbers.Greeks of Albania are at least 200.000 and not only 30 000 as you would wish they would be
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 Either you accept it or you stick to your propaganda.Visit Greece(although i belive that you already live in Greece)and see for yourself
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 During he past centuries many Arvanites have been chiefs of the Greek state.If they wanted they could brianwash the other Greeks to feel Albanians and not hte opposite.Guess what they didnt do t because they dont feel albanian.THey are proud Greeks...you cannot speak on behalf of them since you dont know them,and you dont know their feelings about their homeland and their compatritos-the rest of the Greeks
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz of course they are greeks citizens now as Vlachs are and many other ethnicity groups in Greece. But you can not doubt in their origin. Do the Greeks of the third generation in USA feel not American... ? I doubt... not only them but any kind of people... but this doesn't mean that they are not of a greek origin ok... !? Since the Albanian of Greece after 500 years and more still speak Albanian is a prove that they feel Albanian also... You don't have to ask them... It's logical...
kuqezi1980 1 month ago
@kuqezi1980 I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE GREEK...LEARN READING I WONT TELL YOU THIS ONE MORE TIME
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
@MrAbagaz hahahaah my friend yu have not education arbereshte and arvanites have not do with greeks maybe greeks have albanian blood albanian is the most ancient culture in balkan and greeks yu are just a mithology nothing else albanians gave yu freedom souliotes and arvanites
adventuraism 1 month ago
@adventuraism Greeks only mythology??why post something so illiterate as that?You albanians are really getting on my nerves.If you know history you know everything about greeks,from ancient tmes till now.Albanians are not refered anywhere in history books.Just admit the fuckin truth.20 years ago you dindt have anything to eat,Hoxha had put your half population in jails,and now you are barking like dogs,and claim that everything is yours.Stop being so STUPID
MrAbagaz 1 month ago
they are not greeks or sllavs.why should arbereshet keep albanain flag?why should they speak albanian? do greeks and slavs speak albanian?haha oh my god whats going on with this people?
illyrian1234 2 months ago
RROFTE NANE ARBERIA!!! OUR HOME IS LIBERATED!!!
GavrilDemi 3 months ago
brothers arberesh arvanites kosovo ilirida shqiperi malesia .. presheva..
MrKurbini 4 months ago 2
RESPEKT!
Ushatr 5 months ago
FUCK GRECE
VIVA LA CULTURA ALBANESE LA PRIMA CULTURA EUROPEA LI PRIMI ABITANTI DELL EUROPA SIAMO LA RAZZA ATUCTONA DELL EUROPA
FUCK GREKOFIL FUCK SERBOFIL GYPSYS
I AM BLOOD ALBANIANS ILLIRIC PELLASG
MegaILIRIA 5 months ago 10
I would also like to say that you cannot compare Arberesh with Arvanites...
Arberesh were free to do as they liked, Arvanites had their language,schools, etc outlawed....they faced assimliation tactics just as Albanians did in the North in Montenegro...In the North they added Vic to the name to slavicize them(now some refer to themselves as Yugoslavians, an ethnicity that doesn't exist)..in the South they added Tis to make it sound Greek ..some held through though
Bardh87 6 months ago
@Bardh87 Nuk mundesh me krahasue Arbnesht e Arvanitasit? E pse? Arbnesht lane vendin e tyne shi 4 kavaljete ma para se arvanitasit t' baheshin pjese e Grekise. Pra barra per ruejtjen e giuhes ka kene ma e madhe per arbnesht sesa per arvanitasit! Arvanitsit njaty afer i patne shqyptart, e pse nuk u bane me t'a? Pse shqyptart i kane ndeje besnik turkut deri n' 1912. Deri n' piken ma t' funit kan derdhe gjak per dovlet e mret!
arcamDeitango 5 months ago
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ValaDrinit 5 months ago
@arcamDeitango Arvanitet kan imigrua ne Greqi Rreth shekullit 11 dhe 12, disa tjer thojn qe ne shekullujt 14-15. Ajo d.m.th qe ne me heret se Arberesht e Italis ose ne kohen e njejt
Une thash nuk mundesh to krahasosh sepse Arberesht nuk kan qen ner nje system asimilimi....
Arvanitet u asimiluan shume vond...n'fund te shekujt 19 dhe ne shekun 20...gjuha e lashtligjuar, etj por rrolin me te madh tek asimilimu tyre ka qen Kisha Ortodoxe qe i beri te ndjejn lidhje me Greket...lidhje besimi jo gjaku.
Bardh87 5 months ago
@Bardh87 E kush tha se kane mergu? mund t' kene mergu prej kontinentit e n ishuj por jo prej nji zone t' kontinentit e n' tjeter!
arcamDeitango 5 months ago
@arcamDeitango The first Christian Albanian migrations to what is today Greek territory took place as early as the XI-XII centuries (Trudgill, 1975:5; Banfi, 1994:19), although the main ones most often mentioned in the bibliography happened in the XIV-XV centuries, when Albanians were invited to settle in depopulated areas by their Byzantine, Catalan or Florentine rulers (Tsitsipis, 1994:1; Trudgill, 1975:5; Nakratzas, 1992:20-24 & 78-90; Banfi, 1994:19)
Bardh87 5 months ago
Now we have a gypsy trying to threaten us....a gypsy who's country was freed because of Albanians...a gypsy who's tradition is nothing but bits of Albanian culture that was adopted....a gypsy who worships Albanian men but yet tries to deny their true origin and language....one who claims to be of their origin but doesn't even speak their language...a mixed sperm of different ethnicities thinks he has grown the balls and heart to stand up to the image he so fiercely tries to be...fucking joke
Bardh87 6 months ago
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"..The rich Hydriote ship-owner, Conduriottis, held the title of President of Greece. He was an Albanian, unable to speak Greek. And so the leaders of both armies in the war came, as did many of the fighting men, from that violent illiterate race who had not yet learned to prefer nationalism to other loyalties"
Bardh87 6 months ago
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"..As the news became more detailed there was a search for heros. The Mainotes were of course the Modern Spartans but Marco Botsaris, the Albanian Suliote leader, was usually taken as the Modern Leonidas. When stories appeared of a woman of Hydra, Boubolina, leading the Greeks in battle, she was dubbed the Modern Artemisia or the Greek Joan of Arc."
Bardh87 6 months ago
William ST. Clair
"That Greece Might Still Be Free"
Oxford University Press -- 1972
"....It is a striking fact that the leading defenders of Greek liberty at this time were largely Non-Greek. Koundouriotis was decended from the Albanian invadors of Greece in the 14th century...One of the few leaders who maintained resistance far to the north of the Gulf of Corinth was the Souliote,Marko Botsaris,whos followers were largely Albanian"
Bardh87 6 months ago
jam i gezuar shka jam shqiptare shka kam qake shqiptare rrnofte popli shqiptare ne kret bote
big1beni 6 months ago
good good but Shqiptar = Son of the Eagle ,Albananoi not son of the eagle but from the latin roots (Albus)
MrExorcist7 7 months ago
@MrExorcist7 The latin root of "ALB" is the exact contrary of that in albanian. If "alb" or "alp" in latin means -mountain- ; in albanian the word "arben" means 'plain', so 'arbnesht' or 'arv(anites)' are the inhabitants of the plains. For what concern "Shqiptar" as son of Eagles, probably is some sort of story told from poets, since the most of the inhabitants of Albania lived on the mountains, is normal that someone who was so romantic in his soul called the "Sons of eagles".
arcamDeitango 5 months ago
@arcamDeitango ,right but real are albanians not the people who lived in mountains and today they've lost the identity too turned into "Neo-Ottomans"
MrExorcist7 5 months ago
@MrExorcist7 Neo-ottomans because they are muslims. I'm from the mountains and i am still catholic. But close to us is living a population that is everything but europeans. This population is called "slavs". They are not europeans and does not have any european roots. Their origin is from Sarmatia Asiatica. they never been classified as a european population by origin. They came here 1600 years ago, they found the real europeans living in their territories...
arcamDeitango 5 months ago
@arcamDeitango yes they are europians ,slavs can be consider europians because of they're slavic heritage ,you can look they're races if slavs ain't Europians than Germans/Teutos/Vikings aren't too but you know europian doesn't mean just being a roman/hellenic/illyrians
PS;To slavs look like German maybe you can see that better than me!
MrExorcist7 5 months ago
@arcamDeitango Eeh if they were barbarians it's something else ;)
MrExorcist7 5 months ago
@arcamDeitango Right, Slavs aren't european by blood. They just mixed up with native european people, thats why they got very different slavic language...
GavrilDemi 3 months ago
Near eastern extraction means that in medieval times or even from antiquity you came from there, simple as that. All people came from somewhere, you look closer to the armenians/chechens/georgians in looks and most even afghani! Am I lying? Go and see afghan features, exactly like an albanian. Type afghan in google. I am not talking about the half-mongolid ethnicities in afghanistan, but the caucasians ( as used as a term in anthropology, not denoting region necessarily) dont start me with vids
RockOnHellas 7 months ago
@RockOnHellas Fuck me lets meet so i can see if you have the balls to insult me to my face,?You greek albanians strong headed thats something you still have incommon,But really Are you that retarded?You are a waste of space,,Lower than a pig,,fuck off now you think you know everything about my people,,But you dont this is the greek bit use recieved not so long ago,
ktm066 7 months ago
@ktm066 LOL go to hell you idiot, as if it's not enough that you created videos insulting both greek and greek arvanite people, now go and fuck yourself and return back to your muslim ancestors and leave arvanite people deciding on their own what they are before you get annihilated for a second time in history, AND TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, if ( sadly not) somethings happens between greece and albanian we arvanites will be the first to come and put an end to that joke that is called albania.
RockOnHellas 7 months ago
My mistake I saw the videos. The albanian man you posted isn't the typical for the common albanian immigrant in greece, he has some albanian features in his physiognomy, but I don't think I thought he was albanian at first sight. The other videos show people of predominantly near-eastern extraction, thanks for proving it yourself, with exotic ( not beautiful) features, and they are not predominantly light skinned/haired/eyed, they look NOWHERE near arvanites, thanks again for proving it!!!!
RockOnHellas 7 months ago
@RockOnHellas Listen to me arvanties have mixed there blood with greeks,,,They are not albanians anymore,,I am showing you videos because your propaganda is really strong,,eastern extractions,LOL you idiot,
ktm066 7 months ago
@ktm066 Finally you understood that there are no pure arvanite people ( almost), and for instance I am 1/4 arvanite, so insulting us that way ( ACTUALLY GO DIE YOU SORRY MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKERS, YOU EVEN HAVE THE NERVE TO INSULT US AND AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM US AS YOUR OWN KIN, FUCKIN PUSSIES) is 2xlaughable. Still however saying I am 1/4 albanian is like telling me I am 1/4 gypsy.
RockOnHellas 7 months ago
@RockOnHellas I already know this,But this is why you say arvaties are not albanians and tosks are greeks bla bla bla,,,Have you not thought northen albanians and tosks were same people? and when use mixed with lower tosks who are my brothers made lies saying all tosks are greeks and ghegs are turks or caucasus you you not thought that what you say is soo propaganda?tosks who didnt mix with greeks dont look anything like arvanties,your just half albanians and half greeks,
ktm066 7 months ago
@RockOnHellas :D :D this Video is prove enough to expose you ass blood sellers. Honourless gayreek cocksuckers. ARBERESHET NEVER BEEN MUSLIM YOU STUPID GAYREEK PROPAGANDA FILLED MIXED LOSER! GO and suck gayreek cocks in your bankrupt gayreece. I hope you die there painfully you crappy TRAITOR Arvamutet
Truejustice100 6 months ago
@Truejustice100
No you fag, you didn't get me. I didn't insult arbereshet people, but I'm answering back at albs because this video offends the arvanite people of greece. Leave what is Ceasar's to Ceasar. Now fuck off. Ah, actually you are not arberesh, you are albanian from albania, oh alright - go suck the cock of turks,italians,germans,natos and who knows what else. We are not related to you anyway, but only you have sold his blood.
RockOnHellas 6 months ago
@Truejustice100
No you fag, you didn't get me. I didn't insult arbereshet people, but I'm answering back at albs because this video offends the arvanite people of greece. Leave what is Ceasar's to Ceasar. Now fuck off. Ah, actually you are not arberesh, you are albanian from albania, oh alright - go suck the cock of turks,italians,germans,natos and who knows what else. We are not related to you anyway, but only you have sold his blood.
RockOnHellas 6 months ago
@RockOnHellas Your an Albanian?(cuz Arvanites were Albanian)....You don't speak their language, can't sing their songs.....Who are you? You have confused yourself...your not an Arvanite...your a gypsy, vlah,turk,greek mixed blood..Don't try to speak in behalf of Arvanites idiot...Arvanites didn't even speak Greek...I understand Greece has adopted fustanella, tried to modify albanian music to their language, etc...but that is no authority to speak in behalf of Albanians, only to be a fake one.
Bardh87 6 months ago
@Bardh87
LOL I shouldn't try speaking about arvanites, when I am arvanite by both sides, both surnames, but you should... Actually you should be ashamed. There is no commenting in what you said, I just leave it for people to see here by themselves. I shouldn't be speaking on behalf of me but a turkish dwarf should lol ok.
RockOnHellas 6 months ago
@RockOnHellas yea, of course you will...
Bardh87 6 months ago
@RockOnHellas ive lost count of Gayreeks who claim to be arvanites in order to fabricate arvanite history! how can an arvanite claim to have no relation to albanains when arvanitika is "albanian"!!! im a northerner and understand arvanitika perfectly. Arvanites these days try hard to prove that they're patriotic greeks (quite pathetic) because they're looked down upon hence! the heroes of the greek revolution were arvanite hence albanin who did not speak a single word of greek! hmmm interesting
hekoka 5 months ago
@hekoka Look cocksucker, as you all idiots are the original offenders, go get a life, and leave as arvanite people alone. I won't answer to cyber-warriors anymore. Were did I offend you? It's ALWAYS you that offend and play victims thereafter. That arvanites are looked down is a myth, and I am not sure about here but have explained in detail. Arvanites were merchants, sailsmen, politicians, landowners etc etc Actually many greeks ARE part arvanite. Alb nation is new aswell as the greek...
RockOnHellas 5 months ago
@RockOnHellas oh please refrain from using profanities as your mother could be watching this (when shes not watching herself getting piledrived by albo immigrants lmao). Dude you go on like you would intimidate anyone but the day i get intimidated by a gayreek i kill myself! i would blow that empty of yours to pieces you turkic mongol cunt. get back on your camel and head off east to where you came from. Arvanits are not a myth! they're real they're still alive. theyre on youtube singing lol
hekoka 5 months ago
@hekoka Look at my PM, just to see how stupid you are, I told you a truth, you tell me BS, I told you to go take your mother from the bordels, nothing more nothing less. You offend, but Im saying a very possible truth. I am tall and white in contrast to the shit that you sprew, I have actually proven that to an albanian member, that I admit looked pretty much white aswell, in contrast to the dark masses of some albanian dwarfs here. Maybe northern albs are a different story who knows.
RockOnHellas 5 months ago
None of the videos appear, they all say error, try to link again correctly. If there are tall light haired albanians and these are ghegs, THEN SIMPLY THE ALBANIAN IMMIGRANTS IN GREECE ARE NOT GHEGS, GOT THAT TO YOUR FUCKIN HEAD? Stop pleading me, but no... continue it is becoming entertaining, prove to the world world that you drop to our feet and want us as a part of your nation if you are so proud with so many deeds. I don't need to do anything.
RockOnHellas 7 months ago
@RockOnHellas rubbish and i think you are a little shocked because you thought diffrent admit it,cause i cant see much diffrence between our to people.
ktm066 7 months ago
74h60c2ukd4,,wow these are arbreshes they are soo the same as you described lol..
ktm066 7 months ago
@ktm066 OOO wait look they are dark and short,,This brown hair i talk of,,WOW THEY DARK, 76rhGsxVHk This is dibra do you know who was born here WOW THEY ARE DARK OR I MUST BE COLOUR BLIND?? vUfUe4vI844.....
ktm066 7 months ago
@ktm066 This man at 3.07 is same feature as me and my family same hair same everything, ziKWbwjOkAU so before you insult with your nonsence just studie more now i show greeks with blue green eyes and light hair,
ktm066 7 months ago
@ktm066 XwfRC8w9k5o WOW look at kosova GHEG albanians they are so dark lol They even where scandergegs helmet,I put these videos so you and any greek and any arbresh has doubt about us kosova albanians we still kept it all.Religion is onlything some albanians lost but that is fine they preserved there language and blood,,NOW LETS SEE GREEKS/
ktm066 7 months ago
@ktm066 oESfs-XaA_o wow same colour eyes..You must be slavnics to,Or maybe caucasus aswell yer? I must say they hot as.Lets see close look at albanian woman..5qjZq0PpxSU mmm kosova woman soo beautiful and pure dont you think...Well they are soooo slavnic to because they also have colured eyes,,Grow up rock. THIS ONE YOU WILL LIKE GREEK ALBANIAN, YOU MISS OUT ON THESE BEAUTIFUL ALBANIANS OOPS KOSOVA ALBANIANS I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE ARE SOOO DIFFRENT, . kXDK-yiA-S4
ktm066 7 months ago
Oops diber was where he was born and it is the eastern gheg dilects.lol I was typing with anger and i put down where he passed,,
ktm066 7 months ago
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RockOnHellas 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas
I dont know what too answer about that maybe it was two kingdoms which mixed with each other, maybe these two kingdoms have corporated and mixed with each others befor the Alexander the great that the greeks took the Dardania by wining the war against a Dardan king, Epirus Kosovo Macedonia and the region have been more or less mixing with each others there they created one people or mix something, what did I read by that facts,I am not living in Kosovo, I grew up in sweden
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RockOnHellas 9 months ago
FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS, CRIMINAL SCUM SLAVES. PUT ULTIMATE ETHNIC ORIGIN ASIDE AND REMEMBER WHO FOUGHT AGAINST THE TURKS AND WHO SUCKED THEIR COCKS BACK THEN. AS IF ITS NOT ENOUGH THAT WE ACCEPT AND FEED YOU HERE IN GREECE, THAT WE THE ARVANITE PEOPLE PARTLY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS CREATION, NOW YOU TELL US THAT WE SOLD OUR BLOOD??? ITS Y-O-U THAT HAVE SOLD YOUR BLOOD WITH SUCKING THE COCK OF EACH INVADER - TURK, ITALIAN, GERMAN, AMERICAN. ALSO REMEMBER THE GHEGS ARE CAUCASIAN GYPSIES FUCKUAGAIN
RockOnHellas 10 months ago
@RockOnHellas No one sold there blood...GHEGS ARE CAUCASIAN GYPSIES FUCKUAGAIN hahahah,are they just?Just like the arbreshes?Because most of them were northern albanians,,You are a fool.. Scanderbeg is caucasus.?LOL you know the gheg albanians kept all traditions even when turks came..They also speak a dilect that is older than yours,Most of there language is PIE,,,,Learn before you open there mouth
ktm066 9 months ago
@ktm066 Aren't kosovo albanians ghegs or what??? What are they, slavs??????!!! Who are you fooling here??? I have seen how these people look, extremely differentiated looks to arvanite people. I never attacked arbereshet people, on the contrary I respect them in contrast to modern day albanians... I did never say Scanderbeg is caucasus, you are making conclusions out of your head for nothing, I just said that the majority of today's albanians are caucasian immigrants and look so...
RockOnHellas 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas HAHA fuck off you idiot,You know why we diffrent because you mixed with greeks,,That is why,You think we are caucasus because we look diffrent to you?Fuck me what do you expect arvanties are mixture now greek and albanian,,Look at scanderbeg ha he same as ghegs..HA?Arbreshes look more gheg than what of tosks and fled same time...Kosova ghegs are same as northern ghegs kosova,dardania,epirus,albania all albanian people and land,,Greeks belong in asia minor,
ktm066 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas Use came and try to assimulate the old people of balkans but you see WE ARE STILL HERE,,You say ghegs are caucasus i say greeks are turkish christain WHY,same dna,same features,share over 10,,000 words that are same with greek language,I checked and its true,,You greeks mixed blood we saved our blood and choose diffrent religion result cleaner blood than you,,So dont insult muslim albanians because they have clean blood than you greeks,,gheg albanians are thracian-illiyran
ktm066 9 months ago
@ktm066 You insult my mother,I bet you wouldnt have balls to say that to my face, id shove your balls so far up your arse you would wish you never would say that,BUT you to far from me,,Arvanties sold there blood when greeks tryed to assimultae arvanties and yes many have been,,Greeks have more turksih than albanian you and your shitty turkish dna..fuck off now you dark skinned hairy chested dark eyed turkish christain,,U fuck you so hard you pig,You fled like cowards,,
ktm066 9 months ago
@ktm066 I insult those that insult me, I bet you wouldn't come near me and tell me I am of albanian descent and have sold my "blood" yuck. In the beginning I thought you were arberesh so I said the albanians in albania can go fuck themselves with that type of behaviour, not the arberesh people that are descendants of fighters rather than turk collaborators ( aswell as collaborators of germans/italians/nato). and LOL I am nowhere near as you described.
RockOnHellas 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas I would come strait to you and tell you that you are,,This is problem no one sold blood just some changed religion to save there blood,,Tell me who is traders and who sold blood.was it arvanties who did?because they left my family and many more familys to try DEFEND OUR LANDS AND SAVE RELIGION WITCH THEY LOST?SO HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SAY THIS?HOW YOU ARE A HIPOCRITE,YOU FLED LIKE COWARDS,AND THE ONES WHO STAYED FOUGHT AND NEVER GAVE UP,NOW WHO IS COWARDS NOW//
ktm066 9 months ago
@ktm066 Debate is over when IQ of one participant is <70, it always goes nowhere. Arvanites migrated as early as the 10th century some accounts say but at least you can be sure that majority went down from 12th-14th century. That is BEFORE turks came, is that UNDERSTOOD? They didn't leave any of your families, you are dreaming and nothing else. The area that arvanites came from mainly is Arvanon, which is central albania today and many from the south. The language is related to tosk not geg
RockOnHellas 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas by the way gheg language isnt just in northern albania,There is cental gheg southern east west and north,,So as before learn more arvantie albanian..
ktm066 9 months ago
@ktm066 I come mainly from the Ionian Islands and as I explained on PM, these people had the first two victories against the turkalbanians without even having been turkish captives!!! No turkish blood and hypothetical shit you post there. Also the type you described I SWEAR is the albanian type in greece, short dark skinned, haired/eyed, hairy, even john wilkes said that lol I have read that ghegs are supposed to be tall but rarely are albanians here tall, but stereotypically short.
RockOnHellas 9 months ago
@ktm066 Who started all of this?...albanians. Now the ancestors of muslims ( that even fought against your own national hero for that sake) come and insult who? the arvanite people that fought against the turks? Sure there are mixed people here, however I am nowhere close to a turk, in that aspect you should take a look at how albanians look like here in greece and tell if that is european or not. If there are few european looking ones it is not my fault that the rest look asiatic.
RockOnHellas 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas Now the ancestors of muslims,,NEVER..if you are arvantie then why are you in here>? Are you tryingto get a reply in here saying arbreshes are greek?Then why dont you right in here arbreshes are greek and see how many people disagree..WHAT are turkalbanians explain?
ktm066 9 months ago
@ktm066
@ktm066 Turkalbanians were called the combined forces of the ottomans, that had the albanian element present in them. I will list down many famous ones (most defeated BTW), I am surprised you aren't acquainted with that part of your history and the fact that albanians raided regurarly pelopponesus. I didn't say arberesh are greeks, you see I am not offending those that I respect and that respect me in return, that is albanian trait. Take a look at your video and this one...
RockOnHellas 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas So because some albanian helped turks mean albanians are turks?All from what i hurd was that albanians fought albanians..nothing wrong with my video it is about serbian pigs,and greek gays,,what is wrong with this,, truth hurts much people,,
ktm066 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas There will be a time when much greeks who are more turkish than anything will tell truth...you say turkalbanians BUT i dont understand take a good look at greeks. because if we want to put turk with albanian to say we are mix turkish also then i have to put 1 word that describes turks GREEKS.,LETS SEE CYPRIS THEY ARE MAINLY ALL TURK, CRETE TURK..THRACE TURK,,PONTUS GREEKS TURKS, MUCH MORE PLACES...
ktm066 9 months ago
@ktm066 The fact that in thrace or cyprus for instance turks exist doesn't mean that greek are turks, or turks are greeks LOL what do you want to say with that? I take a good look at greeks, and I see nothing atypical for southeastern europe, then I take a good look at albanians lol, and I see armenian chechen and turk look alikes, what are the serious differences, can you explain??? I can't set appart a chechen ( the turkish looking individuals mostly) crowd from albanians and yet...
RockOnHellas 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas The fact that in thrace or cyprus for instance turks exist doesn't mean that greek are turks,Then you will understand what i mean aswell?
ktm066 9 months ago
@RockOnHellas
albanians are not slaves or east, you mean maybee greeks just because you supports each others, if we were same people they should recognize republic of kosova but they does not like greece and greeks are mixed with armenians and other people who fleed from turkey and I cant see any diffrence between lebanese or greeks or some asyrs and I have meet both so you dont know what you are saying
mehmet80b 8 months ago
@mehmet80b
the ones that went off turkey didn't exceed the 10% of the general population of greece and if I remember correctly the figures dictate a much smaller percentage. Also these people are mostly of some mediterranean/alpine ( if you are familiar with these anthropological terms) phetotype ( thus greek) and can even look identical to greeks from Ionian Islands where no turks set foot, however it is true that a substantial amount of them are non-white. Your point has no value.
RockOnHellas 8 months ago
@RockOnHellas
so you are arvanite my cousine, the reality is diffrence its easy to talk and say maybe its the free world and how the democracy works but many kingdoms falled under the slaves and many people in balkan get slaved so the Kosovo was the last place the got maybe the people corporated with turks in Kosovo Dardania and down too Greece so maybe they used Turks too keep the language and culture by changing the religion and Islam in Kosovo is like Catholic culture and so on,
mehmet80b 8 months ago
@mehmet80b Look, I understand that there are different perspectives of viewing history and also that everything has to be examined according to it's timeframe and the bigger situation that characterizes it and so on. OK, all this is debatable at least. But nonetheless, that proves my point, that this video belongs to a wider propagandistic thinking and tries to prove very viciously that arvanites are the same for instance as albanian ghegs which is false, even the tosks are different.
RockOnHellas 8 months ago
@RockOnHellas Ti parlo in italiano forsse lo capisci vuoi greci non centrate propio con la storia con nessuna storia al mondo,la vostra storia e fasulla e se vuoi ti do le prove dei storici
1 vuoi avete una lingua artificiale lingua della chiesa
2li ilirici pellasgi sono nei ballcani prima di tutti
3vuoi 2 mila anni fa parlavate albanese ti do pure le prove
4se dicete che in italia erano i greci spartani perche nessuno parla il greco e tutti parlano il arbresh??
basta con le cazate raziste
MegaILIRIA 8 months ago
@MegaILIRIA Look I am not arberesh, I descend partly from the arvanite people of greece (don't know if they originally constitute any part of the italian arberesh though)
Do you speak english? If not we can't conversate. It's not a matter of ethnic origin mostly ( which btw the notion that arvanites are albanians is FALSE, and if asked I can explain why, it can mostly be the other way around and not that) but of doings of the past, and the arvanite people fought in contrast to albanians
RockOnHellas 8 months ago
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@MegaILIRIA Look I am not arberesh, I descend partly from the arvanite people of greece (don't know if they originally constitute any part of the italian arberesh though)
Do you speak english? If not we can't conversate. It's not a matter of ethnic origin mostly ( which btw the notion that arvanites are albanians is FALSE, and if asked I can explain why, it can mostly be the other way around and not that) but of doings of the past, and the arvanite people fought in contrast to albanians
RockOnHellas 8 months ago
@RockOnHellas YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT,YOU ARE ASSIMULATED ALBANIANS..FLED FROM THE OTTOMANS AFTER SCANDERBEGS DEATH,jUST LIKK ARBRESH WITCH IS OK FOR THEM BECASUE THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE,yOU CALL ALBANIANS DARK BUT YOU GREEK AS YOU THINK YOU ARE HAVE TURKISH DNA ALSO fcat AND MUCH MUCH MOTRE THAN ALBANIAN.WITCH ALSO IS FACT.GO RUN NOW GREEKS= CHRISTIAN TURKS NOTHIN MORE..