All these people are really stupid. I hate say it to all these people. But Ron Hubbard was a dumbass bad sci-fi writer. Who thought he could make a lot money by making his own religion. Its this whole rejection of medical science that led people being killed. By BS Beliefs from a crazy dumbass who just wanted to get rich off people stupidity.
shut up stupid woman what are you talking about?? what a brainwasher she is!!! yak, yak, yak..... it's very hard to listen to this stupid pseudo an actress!!!
How many kids are exposed to bad television (which is of course all television) every day? People want to preach so bad about obvious physical issues even while living in complete denial concerning psycho-physical issues. Clearly everyone is wrong.
@RevolutionRebellion oh shut up...your just another supporter for shit psychiatry and mental hospitals why didnt u just commit suicide and die instead of living a life with those drugs seems ur dead already
they are right, but who are "they?" ..actors working in an industry that specializes in maintaining the class system, capitalism, militarism and consumerism.....Shills.
they're right, i'm on anti-psychotic medication and modern psychiatry is based on who needs what drugs. i started off with zyprexa and that gave me diabetes, then risperdone and i suspected that would make me impotent so i took seroquel (which is a dud) and am now on clozapine. these are but a few of what's out there. these drug companies are dumbing us down so that we rely on these meds or suffer withdrawals. big buck$
@bubba30017 I'm only replying because I want to help. If you have any naturopaths or homeopaths in your area, you may want to consider trying one out, assuming your illness is rooted in a physical cause. Many of them offer free consultations. The only thing that has helped my sister has been the natural regimen that has erased the side-effects from the psych meds. And just improving your nutrition, without proffessional help, would probably not suffice.
@bubba30017 But if someone has been on psych meds for some time, people should be warned not to switch to natural therapies, mid-stream. If you watch Margo Kidder's video on YouTube, she says the same thing. THE TWO HAVE TO BE COMBINED, maybe permanently. Due to my family experience, I know the combination therapies are working. And I know that switching from the meds to the natural cures was a disaster.
who gives a shit what socalled celebs thinks about medicin they are actors not doctors or medical trained i would like to see them cure just one real person,but they arent smart enough apperently to see that they are being used bye cos and david m.STUPID
I am not a scientologist. I am walking, living proof that it is fake and evil. At the age of 15 I was put on 14 different psychotropic medications. Standing 5'2 from 115lbs-180lbs. Couldn't succeed in school, college or work. Was sheltered, lost so many friends. I was so called "bipolar" just because I was going through puberty. I am now 24 yrs of age and drug free 100% since october and doing great. Living my life, working and able to function like a normal 24 yr old woman. SAY NO TO DRUGS.
My cousin was epileptic and on medication till 18. she almost died before she was on medication. my nephew has autism. some kids and adults need medications.
yes over medicating kids who are hyper can be a problem. that doesn't mean no child should be on medication.
I have heard Jett Travolta had epilepsy. His parents are Scientologist. Scientology does allow medication to be given for epilepsy. i hate to think that if they would have given Jett the medication they railled against that he'd still be here.
@ChristyKat77 Nobody needs to take medication. Unless the much preferable megavitamin and other natural cures cannot be used, for whatever reason. Or just psychotherapy for those whose mental illness is psychologically-caused, rather than physical and chemical imbalance.
@ChristyKat77 I understand, i have agoraphobia and don't take any prescription medication because I educated myself about the disorder, Im very well aware that if I went to a psych they will probably prescribe drugs that are probably going to make me worse in the long term because drugs are their only tool, but what scientology is saying is that ALL medication is bad ALL psych are bad, NO, some people actually need medication because what they do if they don't take it will be worse
@S0undBite The problem with the drugs is that they can actually create the pschoses they are supposed to be treating. No, not in every case, but often enuf that they create more problems than they solve. Drugs, at best, are only temporary measures that can make it really difficult, if not impossible, to affect a real cure at a later time. Once the drug has done its damage, there is no going back. Would you agree that strong street drugs are damaging, why would these psych drugs be any less?
@chimneygeorge My friends brother stabbed and killed his sister and father as well as slashing the face of his 4 year old niece, he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and refused to take medication, my close friend was in and out of jail and came close to killing someone else or himself before he was put on medication, now he is so much better and hates scientology because he knows first hand how medication can help, with any drug there is an exchange of one form of function for something else
@chimneygeorge they exchange one form of function for something else, they support people and keep them stable while they look for a cure, some may not find a cure in their lifetime because what you don't seem to understand is that a brain is a physical thing and sometimes it gets damaged either physically or chemically, sometimes there is no magic, think positive attitude, i believe that stuff works in a HEALTHY brain, what you are deciding is what's good for everybody regardless of condition
@S0undBite Hi, I actually agree with you, there are many folks that need to be removed from the society and their psychoses handled with nutrition, drugs, restraint or anything else that will keep them from harming themselves or others. Psychiatrists treat people like animals and seek to modify behavior with the medical methods of surgery an/ or drugs. In the vast majority of people, these extreme forms of treatment aren't necesary aqnd are invasive and harmful.( more later)
@S0undBite The problem is that they are doing more harm than good to our society. The psychiatric viewpoint is majorly responsible for our 'don't suffer, take a pill for your problems' mentality that has robbed this country of any drive or responsibility to seek real solutions to any problem. America used to be the worlds innovator, now we are drugged up obese losers that can't do anything except blame others for our problems.
@chimneygeorge you still don't get it tho, there is a big difference with "drugs are bad, people should not take them to excess and most people are over medicated and would do better with some coping skills, but some people do need drugs" and scientology head against a brick wall mentality that people should never take any drugs, ever and that all problems can be solved by them, how many people have died so far in scientology because they didn't take medication that could have helped them, many
@ChristyKat77 there's a big difference between being wrongfully or over diagnosed and someone with a REAL mental disorder, god forbid you experience that while your stuck at with scientology
I used to be totally anti-psychiatry, mainly because 15 years of failed pharmacological intervention never helped my severely autistic son stop smashing his fists into his head and I was fed up with doctors "guessing" which drugs would help. That is where the REAL problem is. Doctors guessing and thus giving kids drugs they either don't really need, or are the WRONG drugs for the area in brain that needs to be stabilzed or enhanced.
Some people NEED drugs. No amount of therapy will help them...no amount of auditing will help them. It is a physical or chemical issue. Shame on anyone who condemns someone for taking care of themselves.
@pghdjmarty The drugs don't correct anything, they only mask or submerge the real issues, making real help later more difficult or impossible. There is no such thing as chemical imbalance that a magic drug cures, its a lie used to sell more psychiatric drugs. You are right, auditing won't help them, in fact we know this and won't even try because they aren't up to the level emotionally that it could help. If you actually researched our methods you would know this.
@chimneygeorge Does it REALLY matter whether it covers the issues or solves them? As your comment said "in fact we know this and won't even try because they aren't up to the level emotionally that it could help." So, its wrong to do something that CAN help them live a more normal life? Your comment shows exactly why I feel the way i do- the smug "they're not good enough" attitude. I'd rather offer someone the best life they can get over ignoring them. Thanks for helping me prove my point.
@pghdjmarty Seems like you're looking for ammo, if so thats fine. You can always look for differences and harp on those. If you concentrate on common ground, you may find there is plenty. We don't give auditing to pschotics or folks with major emotional problems cuz they aren't up to the level of concentration and awareness to deal with it, lacking that skill set, if you will. There are many other handlings to do first. Its like giving a full time job to a homeless guy, not gonna work.
@pghdjmarty As far as covering up problems or solving them, why would you want a half fix and not a full solution. The thing is, we have found if you focus on disability and keep trying to fix that, you get more disability. If you build on strengths and ability, you get more strength and ability. You get what you put your attention on. Not in the business of curing people, thats why so many people die in hospitals. You get a person more able and aware and their maladies melt away.
@chimneygeorge I'm sorry if you think I am looking for ammo;really, I'm not. You make some very valid points in your well thought out replies. However, I view mental disorders as I would cancer, diabetes, or any other disease. We cannot cure any of these but we will treat them so that the person suffering from these diseases can live as normal a life as possible. My only problem with your comments is that if Scientology cannot help these people, shouldn't they seek something that will?
@chimneygeorge I do have a very valid question, at least in my opinion. If Scientology cannot help these people and you are against any sort of psychiatric treatment, be it counseling or medicinal, what do we do? Do we just "ignore" them and hope they don't hurt anyone, including themselves? How do we give them the tools to "improve" themselves? Medical treatment allows a lot of people to at least function better in society, and while it's not a cure, it makes for a better life for all of us.
@pghdjmarty It is valid. Scientology can help them and there are specific handlings for folks with extreme conditions that can't function. We are geared up to help the able become more able, the idea being that as people can become more aware and able we end up with more resources to deal with the folks that need much more attention. Sometimes the best you can do is offer a quiet, safe setting that doesn't disturb them. What society is doing now is obviously not working.
@BTLfanIam Scientology has several legal issues across the world. We are working on resolving those. We aren't a cult that hides its actions, we are very visible and open in most major cities in the US and all over the world. I've never heard of anybody that was thrown against a wall as therapy. We have some confront drills that can get a little physical, but don't practise slamdancing. No space to post a complete answer.
@chimneygeorge We do NOT recommend quiting hardcore psychiatric drugs cold turkey. There are extremely harmful consequences to this, both physical and emotional. Peolpe that aren't weaned off this stuff professionally and on a gradient run the risk of serious consequences to their well being. Some are worse than others. Many people take medical drugs for various conditions, many are taken to handle side affects from the initial drug. We have to extremely careful about these as well.
@chimneygeorge We do not recommend anybody completely abstain from taking medically prescribed drugs without a qualified individual thoroughly analyzing the physical condition, examining what medicines , in what combinations for a condition or multiple conditions, are originally being presctribed. The qualified individual could be a doctor, a chiropractor, holistic health practisioner or somebody else qualified to make decisions in this area.
@chimneygeorge We often have a list of health professionals or the person can find their own. Many drugs including aspirin, alcohol, pot and a host of medical drugs can make scientology spiritual counseling (auditing) difficult or render it impossioble and we do not attempt to audit over their presence. There are often optional medicines that don't pose difficulties. Example, there are many alternatives to aspirin. Aspirin makes it difficult to recall past events.
@chimneygeorge Sorry, I guess I shouldn't just take someone's word at face value. My 'friend' is a rather shady character, at that. Just a guy my sister dragged in off the street, basically.
@BTLfanIam chimneygeorge, have you seen Margot Kidder's video on YouTube, about natural cures that stabilized her? She is going around giving lectures about it. Good for her!
@BTLfanIam This is a totally spot on video with margot kidder. She really has the true data about psych drugs. They offer a lifeline and hope to people and you end up getting hooked on some really nasty stuff that merely masks symptoms, have horrid side effeccts and are brutally difficult to discontinue using. This is why Hubbard was so adamantly against psychiatrists. They take a medical approach to behavior issues and this means drugs and/ or surgery. Temporary relief at best and the cost!
@chimneygeorge Yes, but if someone has been on psych meds for some time, people should be warned not to switch to natural therapies, mid-stream. The two have to be combined, maybe permanently. Due to my family experience, I know the combination therapies are working. The natural regimen is taking away the side-effects from the meds.
@BTLfanIam That's ok, there is a ton of misinformation out there about my church. Pick up a book sometime to see what its really about. Ebay has smokin' deals on books, videos and cd's. Sorry about your sister's boyfriend, sounds like something the kat dragged in.
@chimneygeorge hi have you ever heard of pro argi 9 plus? That's how I stopped abilify 20mg, lamictal 100mg, and effexor xr 75mg cold turkey in one day. I did go through bad withdrawal but I've been through worse withdrawal in psychwards... I did not throw up which I was very impressed about when I stopped these drugs cold turkey with the pro argi 9 plus.
@pghdjmarty If you mean Big Pharma drugs are not a cure, you are right. But natural nutritional methods are. It's been proven repeatedly. If handled by professionals in the field.
@chimneygeorge Hi again. I believe that physical imbalances are a primary cause, (but not the only cause), of mental illness. The cure, though, is not pharmaceuticals. It is natural remedies and holistic health. The drugs only cover up the symptoms and cause side-effects. Wheras the natural cures correct the cause of the illness. Unless the cause is psychological, in which case psychotherapy, alone, is probably best.
It seems that promoting $cientology (the cult) is more important of an agenda to the CCHR, than actually fighting psychiatric abuse. They censor me on their facebook boards because I'm attracting positive attention with my posts, while not being a paying member in the cult. Too bad, I think the standard technology of scientology is quite good, I've read almost all the Freezone publications out there, but the herd behavior and mouth shutting is awful and just like what they call "evil" themselves
@BTLfanIam Last I've heard is that they're now supporting drugging children. Now it's ok. They cut a deal with the factory or something. I know this from a testimony of a grownup child of members, who's been forced to take drugs by state-run-coercion.
For those with metabolic deficiencies, like my sister, who has schizoaffective disorder, as well as low thyroid, since birth, the only thing that may work is to combine naturopathics with the prescription drugs. Her naturopath just found that she is also gluten-intolerant as well as dairy-sensitive. Now that she has changed her diet, combined with the natural therapies and her anti-psych meds, she is feeling great, and no more side-effects. Consult a naturopath!
@BTLfanIam Excellent post. Difficulties with metabolism, food alergies and other basic outnesses are often the culprit and are overlooked in our rush to cover up symptoms.
@chimneygeorge Thank you. I'm glad you agree. But I should have said, the only thing that may work is naturopathics. Because the only time the meds need to be combined with the natural cures is when a patient has already been on the meds! If the person can be treated naturally, with vitamins and herbs, hormones, non-allergen diet, etc., to begin with, then the meds would never be needed, I'm pretty certain. The mistake was starting her on the meds 10 years ago.
Instead of giving our children "psych-drugs" we should send them to Scientology schools? That way, our kids will NEVER learn to read a book, thus eliminating all kinds of possible careers. Scientology schooled children are NOT capable of performing even rudimentary math skills, like balancing their finances... UHHH so that's "IT." Keep the youngest, newest victims of Scientology so dumbed-down, they won't understand they're getting screwed over for the next billion years! HOW $HREWD!
What I like about $cientology is that they are VERY GOOD at pointing ''bad things'' and that every answers to EVERY bad things just turn out to be: JOIN $CIENTOLOGY! hahaha
I'm against giving meds to kids that don't really need thems, it's a way of avoiding our responsability toward our kids... but $cientology is just a big scam to make profit off vulnerable and ignorant peoples. RIP John Travolta son.
The reason Scientology will not go away is because they use the tiniest, tiniest sliver of truth and magnify it to doom and gloom. Because they take a tiny slice of truth, there will be people who get on the bandwagon.
The problem with this world is that everything is used violently against somebody else. I agree with parts of the Scientology argument that psychiatric medications are overly and misprescribed. But the reason Scientologists are lunatics is because they take the truth and spin it into a violent, violent attack on the health community as a whole. I wish the world could talk about the facts and let the truth be known, instead of using pieces of arguments to violently attack the other party.
Funny, didnt their own child Jett die because he was denied proper treatment and medication for his condition, because its against there scientology religion to take any form of medication and they just beleive thats a health condition is just all in your head, well thats what I been reading here on U tube.
some people need it others don't, but are given it to make profits. But Travolta see's that now since the death of his kid. He got wise to late and payed a HORRIBLE price for....his sons life.....
I am not a scientologist (I think scientology is pretty nuts) but psych meds have really screwed me up.I am not bipola- misdiagnosed after being put on antidepressant which made me nuts, then spent years on lithium, got off that, had rebound anxiety and panic, went through paxil withdrawal and am now going through benzo withdrawal. 10 years of my life GONE- before them, I functioned pretty well. Now I have cognitive difficulties, which may be life long.... so I agree caution is needed!
L. Ron Hubbard, what an evil man - you should read the interview (Penthouse, I think it was) of his son, to find out what a creep this guy and his bogus religion really were.
Tell the $cilons that. ToryMagoo44 has documented the $cilon hoard stopping her epilepsy medicine. They almost killed her. Fucking "uneducated medical-wannabes" also known as $cientology.
@EnturbulationStation I know that. Someone needs to shut down Scilons before more innocent men, women, and children die. I can't understand why so many people fall for this crap!
@maryelizabeth1968 Some psych meds are also used for epilepsy. Epival is an anticonvulsant (I am on it for seizure activity caused by psych meds- long story, but for me taking psych meds was the worst thing I ever did, personally) but it's also used for bipolar disorder. Clonazepam, a benzo commonly used for anxiety, is also often prescribed to epileptics. Caution is needed, because all drugs have side effects, and everyone's brain is different...and some side effects are permanent.
@bipolarlex You are absolutely right. I have side effects from some of the earlier epilepsy meds in the Eighties. The point I was trying to make is that there are groups of people like the Scilons (if you want to be generous enough to call them people), who lump them under the psych meds category.
Mr Travolta, you could actually do a lot of good for the world. I hate to admit it, but you have a lot of influence. So help your fellow men by denouncing this sham, stop promoting this "church", sever all links with the bullies running this racket. Just think of all the families you could save by renouncing the ways of an organization which encourages 'disconnections', 'fair game' and abusing people. You could really make a difference to a lot of people trapped in this organization.
I agree in certain aspect about medication , than psychiatric sometimes abuse very much about that with people and Sometimes for the people who works in that, makes a lot and a lot of money, just for bizness! But you know , All the systeme are not perfect, and its doesn't means than that bad! How many people are still in life , Don't feel or can control their pain of their disease or cancer because they take medicines. Medication is made for helping people First .
"we tell our kids say no to drugs, except when a doctor prescribes them to you.. its ridiculous!" Yeah!
Just like "it's not ok when someone cuts you, except when it's a surgeon" is fucking nonsense! If cocaine or heroine is bad then so is prozac, because it's the exact same thing!!!
Think? None of these people in this video think. They just regurgitate whatever their religious leader and L. Rons books tell them to think. Just sheep.
Who's better suited to teach the world about mental balance and clean lifestyle than Hollywood celebrities? Most them just have their shit..so..so in order.
Yes kelly. Tragic like taking your son Jett off life saving medication. You & John murdered your own son due to Scientology. May you awaken from your delusions and brainwashing. I pray for you.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say, people ARE NOT getting sick and dying today, because they are not taking enough medication. For you belief knockers out there, I thought GOD made us complete? I don't think HE said when he made us, why yes, thy man is beautiful and perfect in every way BUT he needs to take something that I didn't put for him already...but something he made for himself and can make a profit from others like him. YEAH thats it...lol
Scientology believs that all medicine and phycyatry does not help. Their believers die because they do not get medical attention. Tom cruise has said that a person in a car accident would have a better chance of living from a Scientology ritual than going to an emergancy room. This has happend before. Lisa Mcpherson, car accident. Found dead, 17 days later with bruises and cocroach bites.
Other mental pateints are taken from medication, often kill themselves or others.
I knew a 17 year old kid who was driving back from home and he died just like that behind the wheel. His friend who was riding with him thought that he was just jesting but the vehicle started to veer and his friend had to take over from then on. It was determined that the sudden death was brought on by an undiagnosed heart condition. I don't know about Jett, but I do know about Scientology's attitude towards seizure medication and especially psych meds. So yes, something is wrong here.
YES most people are over medicated, but some people need to take medication!!! I cant feel strongly about this enough, you cant just say that all medication is bad!!! its insane, and whats better, being a scientologist?
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Nobody took meds years ago, and the only reason why people aren't healthy is because of the shit in our food, chemicals, polution, etc. Ironically, ""LEGAL"" medication is killing quite often today...ie, Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger, Brittany Murphy, John Ritter, Bruce Lee and many non celebs whos lives are as just...Travolta's the man! He can believe whateverthefork he wants! Thats the truth! Shabam-POW!
Your either Ignorant or have no experience with people that have a serious mental illness like Schizophrenia. Stop quoting what other people said, rub together what few neurons you have and think for yourself
Live in the dark ages? People were living long and prosperous 50 years ago. People are still dying the same rate anyway, or are we just maintaining because of meds? lol
its not just maintaining, the human population today is the result of modern living and medication is a huge part of it. Anyway, you really need to meet some people with actual problems, not just a little bit of anxiety or not getting a good enough sleep.
@S0undBite some ppl need meds, but for me they destroyed 10 years of my life and counting. Took one med for anxiety, it had side effects which led to a bipolar dx (faulty, later retracted), years on lithium, liver damage, quit school, put on psych disability for possible permanent cognitive impairments (each med had a side effect which led to a different med...even my shrink wants me off them all now. Except for the epival for the seizure activity caused by the meds to begin with. Just my POV.
@bipolarlex It's unfortunate that you were given the wrong information and that's the main problem I think, not that medication doesn't work but that too many therapists are pushing it for their own profit. Anxiety is one thing that isn't caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, unlike say depression, so any drugs you take for it would just cover up the problem and not solve it, what you needed was coping skills, I have agorophobia with panic attacks and have not taken pills
@BTLfanIam well vitamins are NOT natural, I don't take any vitamins and have instead bee pollen granules, certain algae, himalayan salt, if you are really considering natural cures overloading your body with vitamin pills is by far not the way to go. And this is my point, look at your wording, "nobody needs to take medication. unless..." yes, you see the unless, but scientology does not, that is my problem with them, they don't treat people as individuals but as a mass that needs to follow
@S0undBite Thank you for pointing this out. I knew that vitamin tablets have a reputation of not breaking down thoroughly in the body, but never researched the matter. Probably because I have only had 3 colds in the 17 years since I started taking synthetic multivitamins, after having three/year before that. Well, I just did some reading, and you're right. They can cause more harm than good. I plan on looking for whole food-based vitamins.
@S0undBite Yes, I agree. Some info: If you choose to use nutritional supplements, it is in your best interest to use only those products that list actual foods as their ingredients rather than synthetic and isolated vitamins. While some synthetic and isolated vitamins have been shown to provide minimal health benefits, on the whole, most of them cause more harm than good and you are far better off spending your money on whole foods.
@BTLfanIam the best supplements ARE actual foods, and not just extractions, unless you have some specific thing you want to treat, anything in pill form is probably doing more harm than good or just a waste of money. My philosophy is eat well, exercise, destress, then if shit still goes wrong go to western doctors and take drugs
@S0undBite For some, (and maybe me, I don't know yet), even the food based vitamins along with a healthy diet isn't enough. They may need the synthetics along with all of the above to get the full spectrum.
@BTLfanIam sire, if you are old or you live somewhere where the food is really lacking in vitamins or minerals or you have no access to food then you need to take vitamins, just like sometimes people need to take psychiatric medication, I'm glad you understand
I love the quote they use "fight for kids"... how by indoctrinating kids as young as possible so they have no really chance of questioning what they are told, instead if deciding for them self based on the information available, as to what it truth?
They use their status as a celebrity in an effort to influence others. For example, let's take two people who witnessed an event, let's say a "UFO" for instance. One is a cop in his uniform and another is not. Both are pretty much telling the same story, but who would people be more inclined to believe? Same with celebs. They are not Dr. Thomas Szasz, but act as though they are. Szasz's observationals are rational, but the Scientologist's point of view isn't. It's biased and without feedback.
I wonder seeing as Kelly is so 'Scientologist', if she'd actually be mad enough to shag me...I could tell her I'm an intergalctic drug warrior....think it'd work?
Psychiatry is incredibly corrupt. Counseling, social work, and psychology are hit and miss, but again, you are putting your life and soul in the hands of a person that might also be corrupt or inept. That is often the case though. Psychiatry: An Industry of Death is an excellent documentary that everybody should watch.
You have no idea what your talking about, all this is just $cientology's propaganda. Wheres your proof for any of your comments? (lol $cientology propaganda isn't proof)
These people peddling this have no crediblity, no proof, no education and are just actors who are stupid enough to believe the crap that $cientology has force fed them and are being used as tools to seek out other stupid people to give their money to $cientology...
And under the cliche guise of 'helping children' What a joke.
@buzzbbird don't give all your money to Scientology. Give it to ME! I promise you I will clean your brain (and pockets) better than $cientology. You'll not regret!
Ever thought that some children do have serious and mental heath problems and do need the drugs to acually help the child?
& yes, anti-depressants like Fluoxetine (prozac) etc can have side effects (as everyone is geneticaly individual), like increased suicidal thoughts. If that is the case, you dont keep taking them, for christ sake! thats just common sence you bloody scientologists.
Even cocaine, heroin, marijuana and other ilegal drugs were considered at some pint in history (some still) as medicines until some people started to abuse
Both Hubbard and Crowley are avowedly anti-psychiatry. "Official psychoanalysis is therefore committed to upholding a fraud... psychoanalysts have misinterpreted life, and announced the absurdity that every human being is essentially an anti-social, criminal, and insane animal" (8) (Crowley). Hubbard considered that psychiatry controlled most of society and was struggling to create their own 1984 world. (9)
errr......what are these people saying?do they even know the pathophysiology of all these psychiatric disorders...they should try to enrol themselves in med school...
$cientology is totally f*cked up but on this one point i agree with them. The pharmacuetical industry has taken over our health system and created a generation of kids raised on all kinds of meds that are ruining their brain developement and their health - all to turn a profit. for the drug companies. Of course $cientology profits off sick people as well, but instead of drugs they offer brainwashing bullshit. Both systems are corrupt.
The current administration of the "Church" of Scientology shows consistent disturbing patterns of behavior that intimidates critics, suppresses dissent, abuses the legal system, destroys the basic family unit and other social bonds, interferes with a person's right to leave the Church's organization "Sea Org," coerces abortions, has abusive working conditions (not just for adults but minors), has medical negligence, and lies about their own practices.
its one thing to protect your child, its another thing to hide your child from the world.when you looked into jetts eyes ,he seemed so sad. i am the parent of a child with autism.matthew goes to public school, rides the school bus with his sister.a few kids can be cruel,over all things have gotten better for matthew.i hope i never look into matthews eyes and see such sadness.its heartbreaking.
this critique has some truth to it. the problem is that it's coming from cultist (scientologist) morons who want to abolish ALL psychiatry/psychology rather than simply scaling back the careless prescription of psychiatric drugs. sure, these drugs are overprescribed...but so are all pharmeceutical drugs for one thing, and some people cannot enjoy any semblance of normalcy in their lives without the aid of psychiatric drugs; for example people suffering from bipolar disorder or schizoid disorders
scientologists are a couple innings short of a baseball game, but what they are preaching isn't limited to Scientology. There are alot of legitimate doctors who agree with the point being made here. Unfortunately, doctors don't get face time in pop culture media, which embarrassingly enough, is generally what people pay attention to over politics and law.
This is such a weird thing to get behind, I guess if only they made a stronger case. Saying that money is involved isn't the same as saying it's or one would have to include the friggin movie industry as well, since there are money involved there too. Oh wait it's not like morals are a firm fixture of movie characters, nor actresses or actors, who seem to marry and divorce as the wind blows, and have kids inside and out of marriage, or portray nudity etc which traditional religion is against. 1*
Pyschiatrists, unlike celebrities, have actually, well, studied psychiatry and medicine. Being a scientologist doesn't make you a doctor.
And anti depressants can "cause" suicidal thoughts because they clear your mind of anxieties, causing you to focus more on your thoughts. The meds just make you focus on what thoughts are already in your head, meaning if you already have suicidal thoughts, you're going to focus on them more. They do not cause someone to become suicidal.
two things all these people have in common: They are Scientologists and they haven't studied medicine. No one want kids on drugs, but they shouldn't be saying anything about medicine if they don't know what they are talking about.
The purification rundown heightened my senses greatly.colors became brighter,my hearing more acute,everything tasted better and i felt more focused.Life became more vibrant,more alive...Kelly Preston,actress.Boycott this lying twat and her bullshit fraud of a marriage to closet homo john Travolta.
Scientology's celebrities are running a global scam on their fans and on the media. Stars like John Travolta, Tom Cruise, Chick Corea, Kirstie Alley, Nicole Kidman, Kelly Preston, Priscilla Presley, Lisa Presley, and others are secretly being given lucrative compensation for endorsing Scientology.
First of all don't talk about travolta son. But i agree with you assholes for once about the anti-drugs. people die everyday because they dont take their meds. SOme meds are good for children because they help them. The ones that turn into zombies should have never had the meds in the first place. i believe in meds for children the right kind.
I could not agree more with this video. People. WAKE UP! This is not about Scientology it is about saving kids from being put on drugs that make them into zombies.
Agreed, FT, that washing your kid's ritalin down with a bowl of Cap'n Crunch and chocolate milk is counterproductive, but certain neurological medications have an important application to the very survival of the individual, and scientology does not acknowledge a difference between the two.
All these people are really stupid. I hate say it to all these people. But Ron Hubbard was a dumbass bad sci-fi writer. Who thought he could make a lot money by making his own religion. Its this whole rejection of medical science that led people being killed. By BS Beliefs from a crazy dumbass who just wanted to get rich off people stupidity.
Tuber77 2 months ago
UH OH.......THEY GOT ON THE ANTI PHARMA BAND WAGON.....THE PLOT THICKENS.
sssssjjjj1 4 months ago
CAN'T YOU FOOLS SEE THAT THE NON-JEWS ARE BEING POISONED. WAKEY WAKE.
sssssjjjj1 4 months ago
ok actors what is the solution then without drugs if you dont feel good
boogiebuddy01 4 months ago
shut up stupid woman what are you talking about?? what a brainwasher she is!!! yak, yak, yak..... it's very hard to listen to this stupid pseudo an actress!!!
SuperRenata23 4 months ago
biggest propaganda ever
stockdaleaxe 4 months ago
How many kids are exposed to bad television (which is of course all television) every day? People want to preach so bad about obvious physical issues even while living in complete denial concerning psycho-physical issues. Clearly everyone is wrong.
sheepinavacuum 5 months ago
Lets see how to listen to some dr how spent most of his life studding & has more or less the interest to help you
or should I listen to a famous actor how never in his life did actual work or studied medicine
Now I don't know about the rest of you but I am going to go white the actor of which I lost all respect opp on seeing this video
WatchmenDrManhattan 5 months ago
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RevolutionRebellion 6 months ago 7
@RevolutionRebellion oh shut up...your just another supporter for shit psychiatry and mental hospitals why didnt u just commit suicide and die instead of living a life with those drugs seems ur dead already
isometric85 2 months ago
If you take your medical advice from Actors (especially ones that believe Hubbard's Science fiction novels). You're a fucking idiot.
ACCI 8 months ago 8
@ACCI Maybe then you shoud consider their concern and get some auditing yourself buddy.
Racsonify 5 months ago
they are right, but who are "they?" ..actors working in an industry that specializes in maintaining the class system, capitalism, militarism and consumerism.....Shills.
epiksonik 10 months ago
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Amen
gerryono 10 months ago
they're right, i'm on anti-psychotic medication and modern psychiatry is based on who needs what drugs. i started off with zyprexa and that gave me diabetes, then risperdone and i suspected that would make me impotent so i took seroquel (which is a dud) and am now on clozapine. these are but a few of what's out there. these drug companies are dumbing us down so that we rely on these meds or suffer withdrawals. big buck$
bubba30017 10 months ago
@bubba30017 I'm only replying because I want to help. If you have any naturopaths or homeopaths in your area, you may want to consider trying one out, assuming your illness is rooted in a physical cause. Many of them offer free consultations. The only thing that has helped my sister has been the natural regimen that has erased the side-effects from the psych meds. And just improving your nutrition, without proffessional help, would probably not suffice.
BTLfanIam 10 months ago
@bubba30017 But if someone has been on psych meds for some time, people should be warned not to switch to natural therapies, mid-stream. If you watch Margo Kidder's video on YouTube, she says the same thing. THE TWO HAVE TO BE COMBINED, maybe permanently. Due to my family experience, I know the combination therapies are working. And I know that switching from the meds to the natural cures was a disaster.
BTLfanIam 10 months ago
who gives a shit what socalled celebs thinks about medicin they are actors not doctors or medical trained i would like to see them cure just one real person,but they arent smart enough apperently to see that they are being used bye cos and david m.STUPID
mrgudmartin 10 months ago
I am not a scientologist. I am walking, living proof that it is fake and evil. At the age of 15 I was put on 14 different psychotropic medications. Standing 5'2 from 115lbs-180lbs. Couldn't succeed in school, college or work. Was sheltered, lost so many friends. I was so called "bipolar" just because I was going through puberty. I am now 24 yrs of age and drug free 100% since october and doing great. Living my life, working and able to function like a normal 24 yr old woman. SAY NO TO DRUGS.
AmandaN024 11 months ago
My cousin was epileptic and on medication till 18. she almost died before she was on medication. my nephew has autism. some kids and adults need medications.
yes over medicating kids who are hyper can be a problem. that doesn't mean no child should be on medication.
deedeemaclean 11 months ago
I have heard Jett Travolta had epilepsy. His parents are Scientologist. Scientology does allow medication to be given for epilepsy. i hate to think that if they would have given Jett the medication they railled against that he'd still be here.
deedeemaclean 11 months ago
how do they know what our autistic kids need have you ever watched a kid with autism beat hiself senseless?
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@ChristyKat77 Nobody needs to take medication. Unless the much preferable megavitamin and other natural cures cannot be used, for whatever reason. Or just psychotherapy for those whose mental illness is psychologically-caused, rather than physical and chemical imbalance.
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BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@ChristyKat77 Well said.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@ChristyKat77 I understand, i have agoraphobia and don't take any prescription medication because I educated myself about the disorder, Im very well aware that if I went to a psych they will probably prescribe drugs that are probably going to make me worse in the long term because drugs are their only tool, but what scientology is saying is that ALL medication is bad ALL psych are bad, NO, some people actually need medication because what they do if they don't take it will be worse
S0undBite 11 months ago
@S0undBite The problem with the drugs is that they can actually create the pschoses they are supposed to be treating. No, not in every case, but often enuf that they create more problems than they solve. Drugs, at best, are only temporary measures that can make it really difficult, if not impossible, to affect a real cure at a later time. Once the drug has done its damage, there is no going back. Would you agree that strong street drugs are damaging, why would these psych drugs be any less?
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge My friends brother stabbed and killed his sister and father as well as slashing the face of his 4 year old niece, he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and refused to take medication, my close friend was in and out of jail and came close to killing someone else or himself before he was put on medication, now he is so much better and hates scientology because he knows first hand how medication can help, with any drug there is an exchange of one form of function for something else
S0undBite 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge they exchange one form of function for something else, they support people and keep them stable while they look for a cure, some may not find a cure in their lifetime because what you don't seem to understand is that a brain is a physical thing and sometimes it gets damaged either physically or chemically, sometimes there is no magic, think positive attitude, i believe that stuff works in a HEALTHY brain, what you are deciding is what's good for everybody regardless of condition
S0undBite 11 months ago
@S0undBite Hi, I actually agree with you, there are many folks that need to be removed from the society and their psychoses handled with nutrition, drugs, restraint or anything else that will keep them from harming themselves or others. Psychiatrists treat people like animals and seek to modify behavior with the medical methods of surgery an/ or drugs. In the vast majority of people, these extreme forms of treatment aren't necesary aqnd are invasive and harmful.( more later)
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@S0undBite The problem is that they are doing more harm than good to our society. The psychiatric viewpoint is majorly responsible for our 'don't suffer, take a pill for your problems' mentality that has robbed this country of any drive or responsibility to seek real solutions to any problem. America used to be the worlds innovator, now we are drugged up obese losers that can't do anything except blame others for our problems.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge you still don't get it tho, there is a big difference with "drugs are bad, people should not take them to excess and most people are over medicated and would do better with some coping skills, but some people do need drugs" and scientology head against a brick wall mentality that people should never take any drugs, ever and that all problems can be solved by them, how many people have died so far in scientology because they didn't take medication that could have helped them, many
S0undBite 11 months ago
@ChristyKat77 there's a big difference between being wrongfully or over diagnosed and someone with a REAL mental disorder, god forbid you experience that while your stuck at with scientology
S0undBite 11 months ago
I used to be totally anti-psychiatry, mainly because 15 years of failed pharmacological intervention never helped my severely autistic son stop smashing his fists into his head and I was fed up with doctors "guessing" which drugs would help. That is where the REAL problem is. Doctors guessing and thus giving kids drugs they either don't really need, or are the WRONG drugs for the area in brain that needs to be stabilzed or enhanced.
CDFoakley 1 year ago
Some people NEED drugs. No amount of therapy will help them...no amount of auditing will help them. It is a physical or chemical issue. Shame on anyone who condemns someone for taking care of themselves.
pghdjmarty 1 year ago
@pghdjmarty The drugs don't correct anything, they only mask or submerge the real issues, making real help later more difficult or impossible. There is no such thing as chemical imbalance that a magic drug cures, its a lie used to sell more psychiatric drugs. You are right, auditing won't help them, in fact we know this and won't even try because they aren't up to the level emotionally that it could help. If you actually researched our methods you would know this.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge Does it REALLY matter whether it covers the issues or solves them? As your comment said "in fact we know this and won't even try because they aren't up to the level emotionally that it could help." So, its wrong to do something that CAN help them live a more normal life? Your comment shows exactly why I feel the way i do- the smug "they're not good enough" attitude. I'd rather offer someone the best life they can get over ignoring them. Thanks for helping me prove my point.
pghdjmarty 11 months ago
@pghdjmarty Seems like you're looking for ammo, if so thats fine. You can always look for differences and harp on those. If you concentrate on common ground, you may find there is plenty. We don't give auditing to pschotics or folks with major emotional problems cuz they aren't up to the level of concentration and awareness to deal with it, lacking that skill set, if you will. There are many other handlings to do first. Its like giving a full time job to a homeless guy, not gonna work.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@pghdjmarty As far as covering up problems or solving them, why would you want a half fix and not a full solution. The thing is, we have found if you focus on disability and keep trying to fix that, you get more disability. If you build on strengths and ability, you get more strength and ability. You get what you put your attention on. Not in the business of curing people, thats why so many people die in hospitals. You get a person more able and aware and their maladies melt away.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge I'm sorry if you think I am looking for ammo;really, I'm not. You make some very valid points in your well thought out replies. However, I view mental disorders as I would cancer, diabetes, or any other disease. We cannot cure any of these but we will treat them so that the person suffering from these diseases can live as normal a life as possible. My only problem with your comments is that if Scientology cannot help these people, shouldn't they seek something that will?
pghdjmarty 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge I do have a very valid question, at least in my opinion. If Scientology cannot help these people and you are against any sort of psychiatric treatment, be it counseling or medicinal, what do we do? Do we just "ignore" them and hope they don't hurt anyone, including themselves? How do we give them the tools to "improve" themselves? Medical treatment allows a lot of people to at least function better in society, and while it's not a cure, it makes for a better life for all of us.
pghdjmarty 11 months ago
@pghdjmarty It is valid. Scientology can help them and there are specific handlings for folks with extreme conditions that can't function. We are geared up to help the able become more able, the idea being that as people can become more aware and able we end up with more resources to deal with the folks that need much more attention. Sometimes the best you can do is offer a quiet, safe setting that doesn't disturb them. What society is doing now is obviously not working.
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BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@BTLfanIam Scientology has several legal issues across the world. We are working on resolving those. We aren't a cult that hides its actions, we are very visible and open in most major cities in the US and all over the world. I've never heard of anybody that was thrown against a wall as therapy. We have some confront drills that can get a little physical, but don't practise slamdancing. No space to post a complete answer.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge We do NOT recommend quiting hardcore psychiatric drugs cold turkey. There are extremely harmful consequences to this, both physical and emotional. Peolpe that aren't weaned off this stuff professionally and on a gradient run the risk of serious consequences to their well being. Some are worse than others. Many people take medical drugs for various conditions, many are taken to handle side affects from the initial drug. We have to extremely careful about these as well.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge We do not recommend anybody completely abstain from taking medically prescribed drugs without a qualified individual thoroughly analyzing the physical condition, examining what medicines , in what combinations for a condition or multiple conditions, are originally being presctribed. The qualified individual could be a doctor, a chiropractor, holistic health practisioner or somebody else qualified to make decisions in this area.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge We often have a list of health professionals or the person can find their own. Many drugs including aspirin, alcohol, pot and a host of medical drugs can make scientology spiritual counseling (auditing) difficult or render it impossioble and we do not attempt to audit over their presence. There are often optional medicines that don't pose difficulties. Example, there are many alternatives to aspirin. Aspirin makes it difficult to recall past events.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge Sorry, I guess I shouldn't just take someone's word at face value. My 'friend' is a rather shady character, at that. Just a guy my sister dragged in off the street, basically.
BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@BTLfanIam chimneygeorge, have you seen Margot Kidder's video on YouTube, about natural cures that stabilized her? She is going around giving lectures about it. Good for her!
BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@BTLfanIam Haven't seen it, will have to check it out, thanx for the tip. george
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@BTLfanIam This is a totally spot on video with margot kidder. She really has the true data about psych drugs. They offer a lifeline and hope to people and you end up getting hooked on some really nasty stuff that merely masks symptoms, have horrid side effeccts and are brutally difficult to discontinue using. This is why Hubbard was so adamantly against psychiatrists. They take a medical approach to behavior issues and this means drugs and/ or surgery. Temporary relief at best and the cost!
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge Yes, but if someone has been on psych meds for some time, people should be warned not to switch to natural therapies, mid-stream. The two have to be combined, maybe permanently. Due to my family experience, I know the combination therapies are working. The natural regimen is taking away the side-effects from the meds.
BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@BTLfanIam That's ok, there is a ton of misinformation out there about my church. Pick up a book sometime to see what its really about. Ebay has smokin' deals on books, videos and cd's. Sorry about your sister's boyfriend, sounds like something the kat dragged in.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge hi have you ever heard of pro argi 9 plus? That's how I stopped abilify 20mg, lamictal 100mg, and effexor xr 75mg cold turkey in one day. I did go through bad withdrawal but I've been through worse withdrawal in psychwards... I did not throw up which I was very impressed about when I stopped these drugs cold turkey with the pro argi 9 plus.
AmandaN024 11 months ago
@pghdjmarty If you mean Big Pharma drugs are not a cure, you are right. But natural nutritional methods are. It's been proven repeatedly. If handled by professionals in the field.
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BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge Hi again. I believe that physical imbalances are a primary cause, (but not the only cause), of mental illness. The cure, though, is not pharmaceuticals. It is natural remedies and holistic health. The drugs only cover up the symptoms and cause side-effects. Wheras the natural cures correct the cause of the illness. Unless the cause is psychological, in which case psychotherapy, alone, is probably best.
BTLfanIam 11 months ago
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BTLfanIam 11 months ago
It seems that promoting $cientology (the cult) is more important of an agenda to the CCHR, than actually fighting psychiatric abuse. They censor me on their facebook boards because I'm attracting positive attention with my posts, while not being a paying member in the cult. Too bad, I think the standard technology of scientology is quite good, I've read almost all the Freezone publications out there, but the herd behavior and mouth shutting is awful and just like what they call "evil" themselves
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BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@BTLfanIam Last I've heard is that they're now supporting drugging children. Now it's ok. They cut a deal with the factory or something. I know this from a testimony of a grownup child of members, who's been forced to take drugs by state-run-coercion.
startxxx1991 11 months ago
For those with metabolic deficiencies, like my sister, who has schizoaffective disorder, as well as low thyroid, since birth, the only thing that may work is to combine naturopathics with the prescription drugs. Her naturopath just found that she is also gluten-intolerant as well as dairy-sensitive. Now that she has changed her diet, combined with the natural therapies and her anti-psych meds, she is feeling great, and no more side-effects. Consult a naturopath!
BTLfanIam 1 year ago
@BTLfanIam Excellent post. Difficulties with metabolism, food alergies and other basic outnesses are often the culprit and are overlooked in our rush to cover up symptoms.
chimneygeorge 11 months ago
@chimneygeorge Thank you. I'm glad you agree. But I should have said, the only thing that may work is naturopathics. Because the only time the meds need to be combined with the natural cures is when a patient has already been on the meds! If the person can be treated naturally, with vitamins and herbs, hormones, non-allergen diet, etc., to begin with, then the meds would never be needed, I'm pretty certain. The mistake was starting her on the meds 10 years ago.
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BTLfanIam 1 year ago
Instead of giving our children "psych-drugs" we should send them to Scientology schools? That way, our kids will NEVER learn to read a book, thus eliminating all kinds of possible careers. Scientology schooled children are NOT capable of performing even rudimentary math skills, like balancing their finances... UHHH so that's "IT." Keep the youngest, newest victims of Scientology so dumbed-down, they won't understand they're getting screwed over for the next billion years! HOW $HREWD!
goofydog2 1 year ago
What I like about $cientology is that they are VERY GOOD at pointing ''bad things'' and that every answers to EVERY bad things just turn out to be: JOIN $CIENTOLOGY! hahaha
I'm against giving meds to kids that don't really need thems, it's a way of avoiding our responsability toward our kids... but $cientology is just a big scam to make profit off vulnerable and ignorant peoples. RIP John Travolta son.
sebmh 1 year ago 2
And, Scientology is BIG business that utilizes the art of effective mind control tactics.
inspirediam 1 year ago 2
The reason Scientology will not go away is because they use the tiniest, tiniest sliver of truth and magnify it to doom and gloom. Because they take a tiny slice of truth, there will be people who get on the bandwagon.
thecatm4n 1 year ago
The problem with this world is that everything is used violently against somebody else. I agree with parts of the Scientology argument that psychiatric medications are overly and misprescribed. But the reason Scientologists are lunatics is because they take the truth and spin it into a violent, violent attack on the health community as a whole. I wish the world could talk about the facts and let the truth be known, instead of using pieces of arguments to violently attack the other party.
thecatm4n 1 year ago
Funny, didnt their own child Jett die because he was denied proper treatment and medication for his condition, because its against there scientology religion to take any form of medication and they just beleive thats a health condition is just all in your head, well thats what I been reading here on U tube.
donahbeckhouse 1 year ago
some people need it others don't, but are given it to make profits. But Travolta see's that now since the death of his kid. He got wise to late and payed a HORRIBLE price for....his sons life.....
TheTwistedGypsy 1 year ago
Sofia Milos is a Scientologyst!?.
Ok I'll convert to judaism.
das81 1 year ago
I am not a scientologist (I think scientology is pretty nuts) but psych meds have really screwed me up.I am not bipola- misdiagnosed after being put on antidepressant which made me nuts, then spent years on lithium, got off that, had rebound anxiety and panic, went through paxil withdrawal and am now going through benzo withdrawal. 10 years of my life GONE- before them, I functioned pretty well. Now I have cognitive difficulties, which may be life long.... so I agree caution is needed!
bipolarlex 1 year ago
L. Ron Hubbard, what an evil man - you should read the interview (Penthouse, I think it was) of his son, to find out what a creep this guy and his bogus religion really were.
CPSSucks 1 year ago
Epilepsy medication is not considered psych meds, folks
maryelizabeth1968 1 year ago
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Tell the $cilons that. ToryMagoo44 has documented the $cilon hoard stopping her epilepsy medicine. They almost killed her. Fucking "uneducated medical-wannabes" also known as $cientology.
EnturbulationStation 1 year ago
@EnturbulationStation I know that. Someone needs to shut down Scilons before more innocent men, women, and children die. I can't understand why so many people fall for this crap!
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bipolarlex 1 year ago
@maryelizabeth1968 Some psych meds are also used for epilepsy. Epival is an anticonvulsant (I am on it for seizure activity caused by psych meds- long story, but for me taking psych meds was the worst thing I ever did, personally) but it's also used for bipolar disorder. Clonazepam, a benzo commonly used for anxiety, is also often prescribed to epileptics. Caution is needed, because all drugs have side effects, and everyone's brain is different...and some side effects are permanent.
bipolarlex 1 year ago
@bipolarlex You are absolutely right. I have side effects from some of the earlier epilepsy meds in the Eighties. The point I was trying to make is that there are groups of people like the Scilons (if you want to be generous enough to call them people), who lump them under the psych meds category.
maryelizabeth1968 1 year ago
They not only believe in overmedication but they believe that there should be no psychiatrists or drugs, if you want the truth!
cherkas009 1 year ago
Ummmm Kelly and Johns son DIED because they didn't give him meds......Idiots.
Rain2020 1 year ago
Ritalin is over-prescribed AND scientology is a load of shit. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Rassgatibala 1 year ago
Mr Travolta, you could actually do a lot of good for the world. I hate to admit it, but you have a lot of influence. So help your fellow men by denouncing this sham, stop promoting this "church", sever all links with the bullies running this racket. Just think of all the families you could save by renouncing the ways of an organization which encourages 'disconnections', 'fair game' and abusing people. You could really make a difference to a lot of people trapped in this organization.
Freethinking2010 1 year ago
when you want to sell shit, you better tie a nice colorful bow around it, When you can't find a bow, use celeberties. Scientology tadaaa
CommercialDisrespect 1 year ago
They're right about the pscyhiatric fraud. Yeah, let's come up with a better one.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
I agree in certain aspect about medication , than psychiatric sometimes abuse very much about that with people and Sometimes for the people who works in that, makes a lot and a lot of money, just for bizness! But you know , All the systeme are not perfect, and its doesn't means than that bad! How many people are still in life , Don't feel or can control their pain of their disease or cancer because they take medicines. Medication is made for helping people First .
OliWiYa 1 year ago
I can agree with them in certain respects but the reasons they're behind the cause is absurd.
AmericanCritiquer 1 year ago
propa(gosukadick)ganda FACTS! eff eh see tee ess
REAL INFORMATION mmmmMMMMKAY?
roottherm01 1 year ago
girls no fucking clue about what you are talking
Diasuko 1 year ago
i don't advocate a pill for every ill...but there is a big difference when the medicine can possibly save a life.
crazynsober2day 1 year ago
"we tell our kids say no to drugs, except when a doctor prescribes them to you.. its ridiculous!" Yeah!
Just like "it's not ok when someone cuts you, except when it's a surgeon" is fucking nonsense! If cocaine or heroine is bad then so is prozac, because it's the exact same thing!!!
HADURRRR
testuser202 1 year ago
Think? None of these people in this video think. They just regurgitate whatever their religious leader and L. Rons books tell them to think. Just sheep.
ManatedMan 1 year ago
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Scientology and Dianetics- The best thing I've ever met in my life!!!! I suggest You to try it :-)
It gives me an opportunity to live my own life and to create useful things only. Using it Youll be totally free and talented.
Paul Dubrovsky Fobos
pauldubrovsky 1 year ago
Who's better suited to teach the world about mental balance and clean lifestyle than Hollywood celebrities? Most them just have their shit..so..so in order.
An example for us all.
iksarguards 1 year ago 2
These celebrities cause more brain damage than any drug could ever hope to achieve.
Give me LSD any day over these condesending cult-pushers!
the101theory 1 year ago
Yes kelly. Tragic like taking your son Jett off life saving medication. You & John murdered your own son due to Scientology. May you awaken from your delusions and brainwashing. I pray for you.
niveacreama707 1 year ago 2
I dont want psych drugs, but I don't want your cult bullshit either.
poopjuice0 1 year ago
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say, people ARE NOT getting sick and dying today, because they are not taking enough medication. For you belief knockers out there, I thought GOD made us complete? I don't think HE said when he made us, why yes, thy man is beautiful and perfect in every way BUT he needs to take something that I didn't put for him already...but something he made for himself and can make a profit from others like him. YEAH thats it...lol
stephen2152002 1 year ago
I guess you'd rather go back to the dark ages where you'd get to live to the ripe old age of 30
S0undBite 1 year ago
Scientology- The very best thing I've ever met in my life!!!! I suggest you to try it :-)
Paul Dubrovsky
pauldubrovsky 1 year ago
Scientology believs that all medicine and phycyatry does not help. Their believers die because they do not get medical attention. Tom cruise has said that a person in a car accident would have a better chance of living from a Scientology ritual than going to an emergancy room. This has happend before. Lisa Mcpherson, car accident. Found dead, 17 days later with bruises and cocroach bites.
Other mental pateints are taken from medication, often kill themselves or others.
Scientology DOES KILL!
iamanonwearelegion 2 years ago
Well I would'nt listen to anything Kelly and John have to say, they have a dead kid and something is wrong here, 16 year old boys don't just die.
mycrazynan 2 years ago 3
I knew a 17 year old kid who was driving back from home and he died just like that behind the wheel. His friend who was riding with him thought that he was just jesting but the vehicle started to veer and his friend had to take over from then on. It was determined that the sudden death was brought on by an undiagnosed heart condition. I don't know about Jett, but I do know about Scientology's attitude towards seizure medication and especially psych meds. So yes, something is wrong here.
Nguli34689 2 years ago
YES most people are over medicated, but some people need to take medication!!! I cant feel strongly about this enough, you cant just say that all medication is bad!!! its insane, and whats better, being a scientologist?
S0undBite 2 years ago 11
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Nobody took meds years ago, and the only reason why people aren't healthy is because of the shit in our food, chemicals, polution, etc. Ironically, ""LEGAL"" medication is killing quite often today...ie, Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger, Brittany Murphy, John Ritter, Bruce Lee and many non celebs whos lives are as just...Travolta's the man! He can believe whateverthefork he wants! Thats the truth! Shabam-POW!
stephen2152002 1 year ago
Your either Ignorant or have no experience with people that have a serious mental illness like Schizophrenia. Stop quoting what other people said, rub together what few neurons you have and think for yourself
S0undBite 1 year ago
Live in the dark ages? People were living long and prosperous 50 years ago. People are still dying the same rate anyway, or are we just maintaining because of meds? lol
stephen2152002 1 year ago
its not just maintaining, the human population today is the result of modern living and medication is a huge part of it. Anyway, you really need to meet some people with actual problems, not just a little bit of anxiety or not getting a good enough sleep.
S0undBite 1 year ago
@S0undBite some ppl need meds, but for me they destroyed 10 years of my life and counting. Took one med for anxiety, it had side effects which led to a bipolar dx (faulty, later retracted), years on lithium, liver damage, quit school, put on psych disability for possible permanent cognitive impairments (each med had a side effect which led to a different med...even my shrink wants me off them all now. Except for the epival for the seizure activity caused by the meds to begin with. Just my POV.
bipolarlex 1 year ago
@bipolarlex It's unfortunate that you were given the wrong information and that's the main problem I think, not that medication doesn't work but that too many therapists are pushing it for their own profit. Anxiety is one thing that isn't caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, unlike say depression, so any drugs you take for it would just cover up the problem and not solve it, what you needed was coping skills, I have agorophobia with panic attacks and have not taken pills
S0undBite 1 year ago
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BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@BTLfanIam well vitamins are NOT natural, I don't take any vitamins and have instead bee pollen granules, certain algae, himalayan salt, if you are really considering natural cures overloading your body with vitamin pills is by far not the way to go. And this is my point, look at your wording, "nobody needs to take medication. unless..." yes, you see the unless, but scientology does not, that is my problem with them, they don't treat people as individuals but as a mass that needs to follow
S0undBite 11 months ago
@S0undBite Thank you for pointing this out. I knew that vitamin tablets have a reputation of not breaking down thoroughly in the body, but never researched the matter. Probably because I have only had 3 colds in the 17 years since I started taking synthetic multivitamins, after having three/year before that. Well, I just did some reading, and you're right. They can cause more harm than good. I plan on looking for whole food-based vitamins.
BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@S0undBite Yes, I agree. Some info: If you choose to use nutritional supplements, it is in your best interest to use only those products that list actual foods as their ingredients rather than synthetic and isolated vitamins. While some synthetic and isolated vitamins have been shown to provide minimal health benefits, on the whole, most of them cause more harm than good and you are far better off spending your money on whole foods.
BTLfanIam 11 months ago
@BTLfanIam the best supplements ARE actual foods, and not just extractions, unless you have some specific thing you want to treat, anything in pill form is probably doing more harm than good or just a waste of money. My philosophy is eat well, exercise, destress, then if shit still goes wrong go to western doctors and take drugs
S0undBite 11 months ago
@S0undBite For some, (and maybe me, I don't know yet), even the food based vitamins along with a healthy diet isn't enough. They may need the synthetics along with all of the above to get the full spectrum.
BTLfanIam 10 months ago
@BTLfanIam sire, if you are old or you live somewhere where the food is really lacking in vitamins or minerals or you have no access to food then you need to take vitamins, just like sometimes people need to take psychiatric medication, I'm glad you understand
S0undBite 10 months ago
How are these people qualified to speak about medicine? Morons...
Gytaz 2 years ago 5
these bitches need to be on drugs
guapotavo 2 years ago 2
Because celebrities never ever take any drugs or cocaine like stimulants... le sigh
S0undBite 2 years ago
It sucks Cathrine Bell is a Scientologist. She owned in JAG
ApachePiL0T 2 years ago 2
I love the quote they use "fight for kids"... how by indoctrinating kids as young as possible so they have no really chance of questioning what they are told, instead if deciding for them self based on the information available, as to what it truth?
AWaters86 2 years ago
If Kelly Preston sat on my face............I would really like that!
inkspike 2 years ago
most of what these celebrites are saying are baseless claims. scientology is a cancer.
thanks and cheers;)
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bubbamickmac 2 years ago 3
They use their status as a celebrity in an effort to influence others. For example, let's take two people who witnessed an event, let's say a "UFO" for instance. One is a cop in his uniform and another is not. Both are pretty much telling the same story, but who would people be more inclined to believe? Same with celebs. They are not Dr. Thomas Szasz, but act as though they are. Szasz's observationals are rational, but the Scientologist's point of view isn't. It's biased and without feedback.
Nguli34689 2 years ago
thats crazy! i am glad someone is shedding a light on this situation.
TheFashionistaChic 2 years ago
I wonder seeing as Kelly is so 'Scientologist', if she'd actually be mad enough to shag me...I could tell her I'm an intergalctic drug warrior....think it'd work?
babaluci 2 years ago
Psychiatry is incredibly corrupt. Counseling, social work, and psychology are hit and miss, but again, you are putting your life and soul in the hands of a person that might also be corrupt or inept. That is often the case though. Psychiatry: An Industry of Death is an excellent documentary that everybody should watch.
dutytocareforothers 2 years ago
You have no idea what your talking about, all this is just $cientology's propaganda. Wheres your proof for any of your comments? (lol $cientology propaganda isn't proof)
These people peddling this have no crediblity, no proof, no education and are just actors who are stupid enough to believe the crap that $cientology has force fed them and are being used as tools to seek out other stupid people to give their money to $cientology...
And under the cliche guise of 'helping children' What a joke.
th05fore 2 years ago
i believe you are confusing the two topics. Prescription drug is big business. sir.
TheFashionistaChic 2 years ago
I get it, why give the drug companies your money, when you can give your money to SCIENTOLOGY!
buzzbbird 2 years ago 29
@buzzbbird I would sooner give my money to Scientology than to the drug companies when all the drug companies want to do is do more harm than good.
LucyDesiDeano 1 year ago
@buzzbbird don't give all your money to Scientology. Give it to ME! I promise you I will clean your brain (and pockets) better than $cientology. You'll not regret!
perlaand 1 year ago
@buzzbbird LOL! <3
P4brains 1 year ago
Ever thought that some children do have serious and mental heath problems and do need the drugs to acually help the child?
& yes, anti-depressants like Fluoxetine (prozac) etc can have side effects (as everyone is geneticaly individual), like increased suicidal thoughts. If that is the case, you dont keep taking them, for christ sake! thats just common sence you bloody scientologists.
jamespowley 2 years ago
Even cocaine, heroin, marijuana and other ilegal drugs were considered at some pint in history (some still) as medicines until some people started to abuse
Now Tom Cruise is a scientist? haha, what a shame
generalfeldmarschal 2 years ago
They are all way over simplifying it. There are reasons for these medications.
MsMercury 2 years ago
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Both Hubbard and Crowley are avowedly anti-psychiatry. "Official psychoanalysis is therefore committed to upholding a fraud... psychoanalysts have misinterpreted life, and announced the absurdity that every human being is essentially an anti-social, criminal, and insane animal" (8) (Crowley). Hubbard considered that psychiatry controlled most of society and was struggling to create their own 1984 world. (9)
KittyKatSpanker 2 years ago
errr......what are these people saying?do they even know the pathophysiology of all these psychiatric disorders...they should try to enrol themselves in med school...
haewill 2 years ago
$cientology is totally f*cked up but on this one point i agree with them. The pharmacuetical industry has taken over our health system and created a generation of kids raised on all kinds of meds that are ruining their brain developement and their health - all to turn a profit. for the drug companies. Of course $cientology profits off sick people as well, but instead of drugs they offer brainwashing bullshit. Both systems are corrupt.
BELLCHUB 2 years ago
scientology is considered like an organized racked in france, this secte is forbbiten in germany
nokiddingable 2 years ago
Where did these cult members obtain their medical degrees?
cultssuck 2 years ago
oh right. one needs a "medical degree" to read and understand black box warnings on psychiatric drugs.
how absurd.
vaLLarrr 2 years ago
The current administration of the "Church" of Scientology shows consistent disturbing patterns of behavior that intimidates critics, suppresses dissent, abuses the legal system, destroys the basic family unit and other social bonds, interferes with a person's right to leave the Church's organization "Sea Org," coerces abortions, has abusive working conditions (not just for adults but minors), has medical negligence, and lies about their own practices.
OpenComments 2 years ago 2
its one thing to protect your child, its another thing to hide your child from the world.when you looked into jetts eyes ,he seemed so sad. i am the parent of a child with autism.matthew goes to public school, rides the school bus with his sister.a few kids can be cruel,over all things have gotten better for matthew.i hope i never look into matthews eyes and see such sadness.its heartbreaking.
taylor0739 2 years ago
Luckily your child had a parent who got early intervention for his autism.
Jett wasn't so fortunate.
Shameful.
cultssuck 2 years ago
Considering these people also believe in alien gods, then what they say must be bulshit.
TheIssis 2 years ago
whats the song.
bennis07 2 years ago
Is Moby a scientologist???
Sandwicheth 2 years ago
this critique has some truth to it. the problem is that it's coming from cultist (scientologist) morons who want to abolish ALL psychiatry/psychology rather than simply scaling back the careless prescription of psychiatric drugs. sure, these drugs are overprescribed...but so are all pharmeceutical drugs for one thing, and some people cannot enjoy any semblance of normalcy in their lives without the aid of psychiatric drugs; for example people suffering from bipolar disorder or schizoid disorders
pazomblez 2 years ago
scientologists are a couple innings short of a baseball game, but what they are preaching isn't limited to Scientology. There are alot of legitimate doctors who agree with the point being made here. Unfortunately, doctors don't get face time in pop culture media, which embarrassingly enough, is generally what people pay attention to over politics and law.
PaGaNM0nK 2 years ago
This is such a weird thing to get behind, I guess if only they made a stronger case. Saying that money is involved isn't the same as saying it's or one would have to include the friggin movie industry as well, since there are money involved there too. Oh wait it's not like morals are a firm fixture of movie characters, nor actresses or actors, who seem to marry and divorce as the wind blows, and have kids inside and out of marriage, or portray nudity etc which traditional religion is against. 1*
jesperbech 2 years ago
scientology is based on which university study and by what professers? Oh that right....... NONE.
Falsecults 2 years ago
Its sad that John Travolta listened to this rubbish. And beleived that a CULT could cure him.
Falsecults 2 years ago
The travolta's are culpable IMO.
rrdrums110 2 years ago
Pyschiatrists, unlike celebrities, have actually, well, studied psychiatry and medicine. Being a scientologist doesn't make you a doctor.
And anti depressants can "cause" suicidal thoughts because they clear your mind of anxieties, causing you to focus more on your thoughts. The meds just make you focus on what thoughts are already in your head, meaning if you already have suicidal thoughts, you're going to focus on them more. They do not cause someone to become suicidal.
sweetinsanity416 2 years ago
Funny how being a celebrity automatically makes one an expert on psychiatry.
patrickthesaint 2 years ago
two things all these people have in common: They are Scientologists and they haven't studied medicine. No one want kids on drugs, but they shouldn't be saying anything about medicine if they don't know what they are talking about.
shalindriaharam 2 years ago
there was a sci fie author once upon a time. He wrote down crazy shit and needed an enemy.
Many years later a bunch of hot stupid girls repeat this shit.
End of sad story.
schwirzl 2 years ago
these people...
nujivaa 2 years ago
u know what who the fuck cares
this country is soo fucking focused on celebrit's lives more than their own lives it sick and gross
i mean its not affecting any of u people anyway so hope the fuck off and get a life
xoxo721xoxo1 2 years ago
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xoxo721xoxo1 2 years ago
The purification rundown heightened my senses greatly.colors became brighter,my hearing more acute,everything tasted better and i felt more focused.Life became more vibrant,more alive...Kelly Preston,actress.Boycott this lying twat and her bullshit fraud of a marriage to closet homo john Travolta.
jacksprack73 2 years ago
Scientology's celebrities are running a global scam on their fans and on the media. Stars like John Travolta, Tom Cruise, Chick Corea, Kirstie Alley, Nicole Kidman, Kelly Preston, Priscilla Presley, Lisa Presley, and others are secretly being given lucrative compensation for endorsing Scientology.
jacksprack73 2 years ago
Nicole kidman isn't a scientologist - she just won't speak out against them. Which is fair enough, who wants scientology in their face?
whammo85 2 years ago
"Cocaine like stimulants..."? Try methamphetamine, and it has many medical applications.
Primuscrusader 2 years ago 2
First of all don't talk about travolta son. But i agree with you assholes for once about the anti-drugs. people die everyday because they dont take their meds. SOme meds are good for children because they help them. The ones that turn into zombies should have never had the meds in the first place. i believe in meds for children the right kind.
vampress18 2 years ago
I could not agree more with this video. People. WAKE UP! This is not about Scientology it is about saving kids from being put on drugs that make them into zombies.
FingerTapping 2 years ago
Agreed, FT, that washing your kid's ritalin down with a bowl of Cap'n Crunch and chocolate milk is counterproductive, but certain neurological medications have an important application to the very survival of the individual, and scientology does not acknowledge a difference between the two.
Primuscrusader 2 years ago