@lukebccb That is kinda a stupid question. PHX is one of the largest cities in the country (6th and soon to be 5th) and is larger in land then chicago and atlanta combined. This all means more traffic. So why not have lightrail?
@firemanstud1981: phoenix is "big" alright. Big and SPREAD OUT over a VAST SPRAWL. Said over and over again: Phoenix is Las Vegas without casinos and Los Angeles without beaches.
"Old" cities like New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and San Francisco were built in the 18-19th centuries when cities were built dense and populations were crushed together and thus the need for public transit. On the other hand Phoenix became the "big" city only after World War Two.
@firemanstud1981: In the post WWII era when the "sunbelt" cities (i.e. Los Angeles, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, PHOENIX) developed the old "central core" downtown with dense housing MIXED IN WITH BUSINESSES was ignored in favor of the single-family "ranch style" home with zoning making neighborhoods either ALL home or ALL commercial. Thus the shopping mall was borne that eventually evolved into the "big box" strip malls far, far, FAR away from those residential ONLY neighborhoods.
@firemanstud1981: The "old cities" of New York City, Boston, San Francisco, etc. the "commercial cores" is vital for those cities and gazillions of people crush into them...... and no way can those "commercial cores" IN ANY WAY handle the massive amounts of automobiles that would otherwise be needed to get human beings in-and-out of them and so thus a subway, light rail, pubic transit is NECESSARY to move persons out of Manhattan, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, etc.
@firemanstud1981: on the other hand, downtowns Phoenix, Dallas, Atlanta are NOT "crucial" cores DESPITE EFFORTS OF "REVITALIZATION". Rather the "crucial cores" for those towns are those shopping malls/big box sprawls that are sprawled out all over the town and persons need automobiles to get to them as that's the ONLY way to get between your home and the "commercial areas" in Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, etc.
@firemanstud1981: just because Phoenix is "the 6th largest, soon to be 5th largest" doesn't mean that lightrail is justified when 99.9999999% of the folks of Phoenix MUST STILL *RELY* on the automobile......
@lukebccb get your numbers right. 2009 American Community Survey data says 2.26% mode share for public transit for work trips in Phoenix. It's no San Francisco and it's worse than Atlanta and Las Vegas but it isn't as insignificant as you make it out to be.
Anyone else notice the kids jaywalking with their backpacks?
dandanthetaximan 1 month ago
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lukebccb 7 months ago
Why does Phoenix even have a light rail system?
lukebccb 8 months ago
@lukebccb That is kinda a stupid question. PHX is one of the largest cities in the country (6th and soon to be 5th) and is larger in land then chicago and atlanta combined. This all means more traffic. So why not have lightrail?
firemanstud1981 7 months ago
@firemanstud1981: phoenix is "big" alright. Big and SPREAD OUT over a VAST SPRAWL. Said over and over again: Phoenix is Las Vegas without casinos and Los Angeles without beaches.
"Old" cities like New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and San Francisco were built in the 18-19th centuries when cities were built dense and populations were crushed together and thus the need for public transit. On the other hand Phoenix became the "big" city only after World War Two.
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lukebccb 7 months ago
@firemanstud1981: In the post WWII era when the "sunbelt" cities (i.e. Los Angeles, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, PHOENIX) developed the old "central core" downtown with dense housing MIXED IN WITH BUSINESSES was ignored in favor of the single-family "ranch style" home with zoning making neighborhoods either ALL home or ALL commercial. Thus the shopping mall was borne that eventually evolved into the "big box" strip malls far, far, FAR away from those residential ONLY neighborhoods.
(cont.)
lukebccb 7 months ago
@firemanstud1981: The "old cities" of New York City, Boston, San Francisco, etc. the "commercial cores" is vital for those cities and gazillions of people crush into them...... and no way can those "commercial cores" IN ANY WAY handle the massive amounts of automobiles that would otherwise be needed to get human beings in-and-out of them and so thus a subway, light rail, pubic transit is NECESSARY to move persons out of Manhattan, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, etc.
(cont.)
lukebccb 7 months ago
@firemanstud1981: on the other hand, downtowns Phoenix, Dallas, Atlanta are NOT "crucial" cores DESPITE EFFORTS OF "REVITALIZATION". Rather the "crucial cores" for those towns are those shopping malls/big box sprawls that are sprawled out all over the town and persons need automobiles to get to them as that's the ONLY way to get between your home and the "commercial areas" in Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, etc.
(cont.)
lukebccb 7 months ago
@firemanstud1981: just because Phoenix is "the 6th largest, soon to be 5th largest" doesn't mean that lightrail is justified when 99.9999999% of the folks of Phoenix MUST STILL *RELY* on the automobile......
lukebccb 7 months ago
@lukebccb get your numbers right. 2009 American Community Survey data says 2.26% mode share for public transit for work trips in Phoenix. It's no San Francisco and it's worse than Atlanta and Las Vegas but it isn't as insignificant as you make it out to be.
OranViri 7 months ago
LMFAO watch the dude cover his face :D
VivaLaBlairBear78 2 years ago
This makes me wanna go to Phoenix so bad! Hopefully I'll get to go in October(:
VivaLaBlairBear78 2 years ago 2
It looks as if anyone can get on it without paying.
iaintgonletup 2 years ago
Yeah, it's a proof-of-payment system. Inspectors make random checks and if you get caught without a ticket, you're fined.
OranViri 2 years ago