@drgnfr horses come collected (neck flexing) naturally.My horse does it all the time, and I've never taught her to do that.We are simply asking the horses to use their muscles.It's like....the horse version of ballet.I did ballet, and it stretched muscles that I'd never used before, and probably shouldn't be used.Does that mean I didn't like it?No I loved ballet.It is the same way with the horses.They are using muscles that they already have.This is a horrible version of dressage I might add.
This is such a bad imitation of "classical horsemanship" (as 'modern' people like to call it). These are bad circus tricks that have nothing to do with the merits of true dressage.
These horses lack harmony and energy in their moves: they are contrived rather than natural. The passage in the beginning is completely disordered. Clearly that poor horse is asked to give more than it is physical developed to and than it would have properly (and patiently) been taught to.
those people who hate on some of THE BEEESSSSTTTT PEOPLE AND HORSES IN DRESSAGE you people ar both stupid and jealous. I am sooooo jealous of their skills. SO STOP BEING SO ANNOYING AND THINK FOR A MINUTE "hmmm....maybe they are just trying to put up a nice video to teach people what they do." ....thank you.
There is a difference between a horse swishing its tail and whipping its tail... Not to mention that if a horse is swishing its tail in pain, fear, or anger you will also see their ears pinned back... It is very easy to tell (for those who are used to it) in a horse's expression when they are being mis-treated.
In addition a horse traine through fear will never attain this level of mastery... this is high level stuff going on here.
Woww, a horse flicking it's tail doesnt mean its in pain nor does it mean its crying out! does that horse have its earse pineed? Do you see that horse throwing its head? Thatt horse is enjoying what its doing, and might i say it does it very well! My Hanoverian French Tb Cross Gelding can bow, and rear on command ive been doing dressage for 3 years now and my horse loves doing it, he cant wait to go. I HIGHLY disagree that is crule in any way shape and or fourm!(:
A horse flicking its tail is a horse that is irritated, there is no arguing with that. It really annoys me when people insist that flicking it's tail is a way of (insert excuse here, such as keeping tempo, showing enthusiasm etc). Horses don't think like that, they simply react to what's going on around them.
Everytime someone says it's cruel others say: well if it's cruel why does the horse do it. Because a horse CAN PERFORM BY THE FEAR OF PAIN AND PUNISHMENT! That's why now and then those horses can act all of a sudden hyper active and try to buck or try to escape.You can see clearly that the horses don't like it because of their body language. If you can do this without all the tack, bits and whips and pressure then the horse can choose at liberty. See Haute Ecole Nevzorov.
@charuk2005 their language? really? if you talking about the horse swishing it's tail then your wrong. If a horse swishes its tail its not obligated to mean that its mad or in pain, fear, ect. for crying out loud. THE HORSE IS DANCING. Some horses just do it! If they were mistreated they wouldn't be looking so good. If you look at some other dressage videos you'll see horses acting the same way, bu they are happy. And why could you buy a 80-150 thousand dollar horse and mistreat it?
Stop arguing with people who think dressage is a bad thing. They'll never understand what dressage really is and that there's nothing bad about it. Arguing with those people is just senseless.
Pattyig 1 Is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO correct!...I have been doing dressage for EVER!!! And it took me a long time to perfect things im still not perfect and im still learning but thats the point!! People are retards if they think you can do this right off the back it takes patience and years of training to get to a professional level
ha..at 1:19 the brown horse in the background is like.."I can't do this!! Its too hard!" and the black/brown horse next to him is like "Pfff, piece of cake!"
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Das arme Pferd! Man sieht voll das sich die Pferde unwohl fühlen. Ich hasse sowas! meiner kanbn auch spanbischer schritt und liegen und dazu muss er nicht eingeschnürt werden
Klar es sieht "schön" aus -.- aber das heißt nicht,dass die pferde ishc gut fühlen und das sieht man auch. Schau dir doch mal Natural Horsemanship und sowas an.
@vaxiawval Auzßerdem les dir mal die englischen Kommentare durch,da stimmen mir sehr viele zu!!!! Also wenn man nochnichtmal Englisch kann,aber hier groß rumposaunt dann ist man echt zudumm für diese Welt!!!! so leute wie du regen mich unglaublich auf -.-
mmk, so if the horse is in pain, or not liking what he is doing, he would definitely tell the rider. like my mom ALWAYS says, it is impossible to fight with a horse. the horse will do whatever it can to flee whatever it doesnt understand or agree with. he will buck, bite, rear, lay down, roll, or whatever. you dont see any of these horses doing this, do you?
horses are carefully inspected at all competitions so there's no way any abuse would be allowed, and if the rider shows signs of cruelty they get loads of points taken off or are disqualified. if you mistreat an animal they dont repect you and wont work at all let alone be trained in complex dressage dressage is less cruel than pony rides or dude ranches where people bounce around pull on the bit and are clueless
horses are carefully inspected at all competitions so there's no way any abuse would be allowed, and if the rider shows signs of cruelty they get loads of points taken off or are disqaulified
that video is so wrong... people shud kno that using a whip to train a horse is wrong... horses shud be allowed to learn without the use of violence and kno its ok to make mistakes, we all do.... :( ... its truely not fair... horses are the most amazing animals and shudnt be made perform for the entertainment of people..... i bdont care wat anyone says USING VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!!
@noddyforever05 a whip used in the right way is nothing more than a motivator. don't try to be smart about stuff you know nothing about. once you get to certain levels in dressage, a whip and spurs are required. it is NOT violence
@noddyforever05 ummm what level do you show at? intro? a whip is not violent and if you really do dressage then you are one of those 'shelfish people' your talking about. u clearly know nothing about dressage. end of conversation.
@gothgrl63 How am I SELFISH?... I DONT hit my horse with a whip for the pleasure of what winning? Id rather lose than hit my horse to win anyday... Anyway Ive got better things to do than talk to you... BYE!!!!
Those who think the horses are being mistreated must not have ever heard of the Lippizanners or horses like Seabiscuit, who clearly have a love of performing for crowds.
in order for the horse to be relaxed, his rider must be relaxed as well. The slightest amount of tension creates a tense and worried horse. None of these horses are nervous, or opening their mouths to try to spit the bit out, and i don't see any trying to buck their riders off or drag their handlers around the ring. The trainers are using the whips in a humane way- generally the rule is ask, tell, then demand where the rider first asks the horse to perform, etc.
this is How my first pony was trained not with all the fancy moves but with listnning and more than 1 person working with her Horses learn betetr by watching otehr horses work that is why they had so many horses out it helps with the learning they discover that it won't hurt them because another horse is using the same thing
spurs and whips are only there for correction. i think if all you people who were really smart about horses, you would know that spurs and whips are not cruelty. just today when i was riding my second level dressage pony, she didn't listen to me when i tried to make her pick up the canter, so i tried again, she didn't listen, so i went for the whip right behind my leg to tell her that you are supposed to listen to my legs. i ALWAYS USE WHIP AND SPURS FOR CORRECTION ONLY!
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well actually they have to treat the horses in the right way beacuse every horse of this is an inspected stallion and this stud is always in public and they have got the best trainers and studied pteachers in germany. sp it really would have been a pity if any of these stallions wouldn't be treaten in the right way!
I personally ride dressage and I do not see any abuse out there nor any unhappy horses. All these horses are moving very pretty (except the passage horse at the beginning, but he must have just started with passage since his steps were very uneven, not lame though) I also use a whip and spur to ride, if anyone has ever ridden a well trained dressage horse (particularly warmbloods) then you know that inorder for them no to kill you you must be firm and use whip and spur as correct aides...
@squirealan you can be as firm as you like and use the whip and spur correctly; a horse ESPECIALLY a dressage horse will kill you no matter what. If that horse hasn't been trained properly (and let me tell you majority of dressage horse arn't) it aen't gonna trust you.
unless you actually ride dressage, then you wouldn't understand what i meant, when i said that riding without a whip and spur would kill you i did not necessarily mean actually kill you. The horse I ride is exceedingly stubborn and if you are not firm with what you want she takes off and bucks at the siliest thing. She is highly trained horse, though she only got to third level because of issues with tying up. It has taken me a year to learn to ride her & i wouldve come off more w/o whip & spur
@squirealan I've never known how spurs and whips could be used as a deterrent to a horse that would always bolt or buck. Once again, they are only used as aid reinforcements not as punishments.
Until someone has trained a few horses to Grand Prix, they should keep their criticisms to a minimum. They way horses communicate with each other is pretty rough sometimes, tender at other times. You need to speak their language. And, in the end, it's all about partnership.
i do agree with itsjustlikewhoa but a levade takes over 10 years to master correctly to get the centre of gravity to move back towards the hindquarters of a horse as naturally, the horse will lean upon the forehand, yet these horses could easily through their riders off if they were so upset a brutally handled, but they are sharing a partnership and bond with the rider and therefore respect them
For these ones, who say, this is brutal.. can you give me some examples? I don't really see it, maybe because I'm not really experienced.. please show me :)
And stop calling Germans brutal!! Not all are, I am from Germany and it is very offensive listening to people calling all Germans as a people, brutal. Please try to be careful of what you say because even without meaning it, it can be offensive.
They whip they tails for balance, that doesn't mean they are in pain. I ride dressage and my horses love it, especially when there is music playing it feels as if they're dancing!
Haven't you ever seen a horse put in some acrobatics at liberty (or while misbehaving under saddle) similar to a capriole?
Haven't you ever seen horses play fighting with each other while rearing, much like a levade?
While the bowing/sitting is just tricks- Haven't you ever seen a horse trying to get to the grass on the other side of the paddock- much like a bow? Or a horse getting down on the ground to roll or nap, a lot like the 'sitting down'?
the horses are doing by them selfs and not getting whipped to do it.. the horses arent happy..what do you think they train them to swish their tails too?
@bridlelessgirl - As someone else noted, swishing tails isn't always a sign of pain or aggravation.
If you look at the vid, the tails are mostly being swished pretty rhythmically with the movement. The movements they are doing require a lot of strength and balance- the tail swishing is a sign of effort and concentration here.
I don't see any horses being whipped, either. It seems to me the horses are still being trained - in hand, the whip replaces the leg. I actually see a lot of praise.
to bridless girl A whip is not a tool of abuse unless the rider want it to be. The whip yet known as a cro is known as a tool of encougment and just telling the horse what not and what to do. Yes I understand alot of people use this whip wrong but if you are useing it the right way then basicly the horse should not feel a thing yet a small tap so that it know what it is doing is bad or for encourgment
If they were not happy they would be trying to do something to the riders. If you see most of the time their ears are up, witch is the most sign of being happy. Plus look I think the like having a good time dancing out there.
Dressage teaches horses to engage and swing their backs when they move. If you know anything at all about the skeletal anatomy of horses, then you realize that the tail is just and extension of the backbone. So a swing in the tail just shows proper swing in the back.
You should try taking a few dressage, or if you ride western, reining lessons. Both desciplines require you to connect with a horse on a level that just feels amazing when you achieve it.
yes i am taking college level classes even tho i am a freshmen in high school..i have taken dressage lessons on a very expensive horse he did not swish his tail like crazy or really not at all..i think it is use for concentration
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poor horse, that asshole is inflicting pure pain in this horse's mouth .... that son of a bitch should be shot , I do not understand why these so called dressage queens love that disgusting sport , it is not sport it is abuse to horses
@rodeosabuseanimals - Really? I don't see any gaping mouths. Where exactly in the video do you see pain being inflicted? I'd be very interested to know just how much you know about training a horse to perform high school movements like this.
@rodeosabuseanimals I can see that You know vary little about horses, but thats ok . you are showing an interest. You can not learn any thing with a closed mind, so with an open mind check out Clintan Andersons training methods. As you learn the facks You will see that nobody is inflicting pain on any of the horses in this video.
@rodeosabuseanimals let me explain a few things to you. I'm a dressage/high school student myself and NO, it doesn't inflict any pain on the horse's mouth. If it did, the horses would never behave like they do in this video. So you'd better talk about stuff you do understand!! -.-
When I was very unexperient yet, I was riding a horse whose mouth was very sensitive. As I was unconsciously aplling too much pressure on the reins, he felt pain in his mouth and wouldn't follow my orders, acting like if he was scared. I soon realized something was wrong and as I reliefed the reins he soon started behaving normally. When they are in pain or unconfortable, they simply don't follow your orders, which is obviously not the case in here.
no, there are several reasons why horse "whip" their tails: 1, concentration, the horse is listening to the rider; 2, flies; & 3, anger, but these horse ARE NOT angry or in pain.
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Please stop calling this dressage, it's really not. Dressage is a French, German and English invention developed from the traditional ways of riding. These Germans are performing Doma Clásica (quite poorly as well); one of the ancient ways of riding known as A La Jineta, created by the Moorish centuries ago and developed over hundreds of years by the Spanish. I've never seen Doma Clásica been demonstrated so brutally before, but not surprising as it is a German characteristic.
the horses are performing "poorly" bcs that is a show where a dressage high scool shows how the horses are in progress with the training. So if u still didn't get it: the horses are learning it. If u only knew what ure talking about, u would have understood what the speaker there is sayin in german. so u stop acting like u know lots, cause if u did you would know that your acting pretty nazi, and that is what germans hate most.
No sport can be labeled as straight up abuse. It's when trainers, riders, and care takers do not do their jobs correctly. Training should be done through respect and should be catered to the horse's mental and physical abilities. Short cuts should not be taken, and the horses should be respected over all. Riders should make sure to ride as correctly as possible in order to avoid pain/discomfort for the horse and allow the experience to be enjoyable for the horse and rider.
by the way. ive done dressage, over fences, western, you name it. overall every equine sport has dressage involved bcause its the basics for many things. and it you do western pleasure, few can do it right, but i must say its super hard on the horse its incorrect and if anything thats cruel. but other western events (horsemanship, reining, cutting, etc) that uses dressage too. even some dressage riders use reining exercises for their horses.
yet any horse would love to be trained by these guys rather than some local hunter/jumper trainer who yanks on their mouths and forces the head set and collection or just use a harsher bit. (not saying all are like this) so i think its stupid how you all have been arguing about it, obviously some of you dont know the correct knowledge of how to ride a horse.
i think this is fabulous. to those who dont fully understand dressage, this is basically as good as it gets. overall a horse is naturally built off balanced and dressage is the highest degree of collection, etc, so they are as balanced as a horse can get. which horses love by the way. although all horses dont enjoy being ridden and all,
there are crazy people everywhere, no doubt- but the countless daily hours that go into this type of presentation are unimaginable to the untrained eye. there are no shortcuts cruel or otherwise to get this type of result. They didn't just take any horse and bring it there for the day to do this. There is breeding, specific feed, daily training with correct methods, lots of dedication. Dressage involves long warm ups, stretches low impact work. thanks for hearing me out.
HELLO!! If someone has a horse for show, they are OBVIOUSLY going to make sure it is spoiled, pampered and NOT mistreated, because the horse has to be in a "good mood" in order to perform the desired movement. Warmbloods are bred for showing BY THE WAY, and most horses, not all, LOVE performing. DUMB ASSES!
Your insulting me because I'm telling the truth? They have to be in a good mood? Why do just look at the last Olympics? The horses were drugged. These people train them every day and they still do that, too.
@ilv4peds - The head carriage in dressage is a result of simple biomechanics. In order for a horse to carry a rider and incur the least amount of stress on its back, it must bring its head down and back up so that the weight of the rider is distributed across the entire back and down the legs. Riding a horse that is hollow puts enormous amounts of stress on the horses back because the horse is unable to redistribute the rider's weight.
because most of these people don't hadle them well. especially if it's for show cases. but of course not all of them. horses are still so mistreated. it's all about how you train your horse. and if money is involved it's always cruel. even the professionals i talk about say that and told people everything that's not be seen is okay.
i used to work for a show barn and have a lot of experience around the horses that show for money, and yes some are mistreated and its a very big shame. but not all are. trust me, most of them achieve the results they need just but training and working hard everyday. some of the horses i used to work with are world champions and are treated amazingly well, no mistreatment at all!
It's BULLCRAP they "don't handle them well". Are you going to fight w/a po'd 1300-lb. warmblood in a bad mood? My teacher is a professional and does NOT take shortcuts with gadgets or evil bondage gear crap. Some folks do, and you know what? Some folks do in every discipline, from jumping to driving to barrel racing to saddle seat to halter to whatever. And it reflects badly on those who know what the hell they're doing, but doesn't mean everyone or even most people do that.
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thats amazing i love it!!!! those horses are amazing!!! those horses are beautiful!! personally their spanish walk could look a little more relaxed andn not so much flinging out the legs, but i love it! its amazing all the patience the trainers must have!
I guess I am a little tired of, "If the horse doesn't want to, don't do it." Horses grow accustomed to things, you have to break it to ride it, must not forget that. Horses eat, discard, and play nip-nip with other horses. They must have a use, for people to want them. No job= no use= no one wanting to pay thousands of dollars per year for their care. Which would bring the slaughter house industry to max capacity. For me, a little discomfort is better than horses viewed as cattle and consumed.
the horses for this are chosen very carefully, they must enjoy pleasing people and be willing to learn, no, they probably arent jumping for joy when they get to do this but im never jupming for joy when i have to work either. i dont think these horses mind at all tho. i think if they didnt like it then they would express it in some way ;)
That is so untrue. Even with human beings, if we are told to do something by authority we do it. We obey it. We go to school right? Sure, some kids like school but most don't. We go anyway, right? What you wrote was so incorrect. I enjoy dressage, it's beautiful. But your point was not valid.
you cannot compare humans to horses... their just not the same sorry. Have you ever tried to get a horse to do something it refused to do??
She does have a valid point, im sick of seeing people with the 'oh so cruel blah blah blah' comments, I think hitting other people in hockey is cruel, same with slamming a ball when it could hit someone on the head, horses are huge and NO ONE here knows whether or not these horses are unhappy, neither is it their place to say so.
You can tell by their ears, and tail. Horses are constantly showing their emotions. And yes I have done something and had a horse refuse it, who hasnt?
If a horse is dead set against doing something you can sow them that its not going to hurt them, eventually they'll get there. But anyways, why is this so cruel? like I said, you can't make a horse do something they refuse to do, its not cruel at all, dressage is an art, like you said, so I guess all Im trying to really say is- why do you think its so cruel? really what exactly is cruel about it?
are those draught looking horses those ardennes? theyre lovely. i found the passage at the beginning quite jerky, could be the filming though, but it just didnt seem to be a free flowing as you normally see, plus the hind leg action didnt match the front legs. This to me suggests that rollkur may have possibly been used but it could be a numerous things i dont want to judge when theres no evidence.
well..yes i will admit i was wrong about,thats cruel.But its just the way i thought about it. Well if u do not believe me,then i will make a video!ON HUNNYBUNNY!!!:):):)and i cannot do the canter half pass cuz im still learning:P
k i dont need to "step back" because i am only ten years old and i went from entry,to pre training in dressage,and i can do half passes,flying kead changes,side pass,leg yeild,shoulder in,and im learning canter half pass,so do not tell me to learn more about horses.
Really now.. for someone who said 'that was cruel' I find that a bit hard to believe.
Those are some pretty amazing accomplishments from a 10 year old.. so I can't say I believe you lol. I mean if its true then.. congrats but that would take some pretty serious cash for all those classes not to mention the horses... sorry but a 10 year old who can do all that just doesn't really add up to me.. who knows, maybe your telling the truth..
I doubt that it is even slightly true. For one, a ten year old doing that would be an amazing sight. For the other, a GOOD rider knows that there is always more to learn about riding. Grow up, and get some lessons.
dressage is a french term, it means 'to train, to exercise and to discipline'. in modern times, dressage is a show of the harmony between horse and rider. it involves a lot of training, and hard work on both the horse and rider's behalf. and to explain it in more depth would take more than youtube would allow, but it is definately worth reading more about. Dressage rocks =D
VERY GOOD EXPLANTORY THERE tWISTED VERY GOOD! We had a Arabian mare that did the basics but nothing like what these horses are doing! My mare did Shoulders in and out and flying lead change's,side passes and things like that! But that's hard enough as it is. She and my husband are in Heaven now:(
wow, amazing movements!! but i would never ever do that to a horse just to make people say 'wow'... most of them look complete nutters, completely corned up to the eyeballs and ready to explode and they looked so scared and so overwilling to preform, obvioulsy a lot of force and more brutal methods are being used behind the scenes, they just looked too tense, poor ponies, well except the draught i dont think he really cared, lol
I kinda agree with TwistedTemptress. Dressage isn't at all about force - it's about understanding and precise communication between the horse and rider. Maybe you should ride dressage before you critique it.
@drgnfr horses come collected (neck flexing) naturally.My horse does it all the time, and I've never taught her to do that.We are simply asking the horses to use their muscles.It's like....the horse version of ballet.I did ballet, and it stretched muscles that I'd never used before, and probably shouldn't be used.Does that mean I didn't like it?No I loved ballet.It is the same way with the horses.They are using muscles that they already have.This is a horrible version of dressage I might add.
KatyaXKaliber 4 weeks ago
Eh...very disorganized for dressage...
HorseCrazyAndProud 6 months ago
This is such a bad imitation of "classical horsemanship" (as 'modern' people like to call it). These are bad circus tricks that have nothing to do with the merits of true dressage.
These horses lack harmony and energy in their moves: they are contrived rather than natural. The passage in the beginning is completely disordered. Clearly that poor horse is asked to give more than it is physical developed to and than it would have properly (and patiently) been taught to.
drgnfr 7 months ago
And not to mention their hyper-flexed necks they are obliged to be ridden with.
People have to know what dressage is before they get so fervent in defending whatever looks like it.
drgnfr 7 months ago 2
those people who hate on some of THE BEEESSSSTTTT PEOPLE AND HORSES IN DRESSAGE you people ar both stupid and jealous. I am sooooo jealous of their skills. SO STOP BEING SO ANNOYING AND THINK FOR A MINUTE "hmmm....maybe they are just trying to put up a nice video to teach people what they do." ....thank you.
-Someone who loves dressage:D
horsescanter 7 months ago
There is a difference between a horse swishing its tail and whipping its tail... Not to mention that if a horse is swishing its tail in pain, fear, or anger you will also see their ears pinned back... It is very easy to tell (for those who are used to it) in a horse's expression when they are being mis-treated.
In addition a horse traine through fear will never attain this level of mastery... this is high level stuff going on here.
wren71 9 months ago
Woww, a horse flicking it's tail doesnt mean its in pain nor does it mean its crying out! does that horse have its earse pineed? Do you see that horse throwing its head? Thatt horse is enjoying what its doing, and might i say it does it very well! My Hanoverian French Tb Cross Gelding can bow, and rear on command ive been doing dressage for 3 years now and my horse loves doing it, he cant wait to go. I HIGHLY disagree that is crule in any way shape and or fourm!(:
XXPrincessIzzieXX 10 months ago
A horse flicking its tail is a horse that is irritated, there is no arguing with that. It really annoys me when people insist that flicking it's tail is a way of (insert excuse here, such as keeping tempo, showing enthusiasm etc). Horses don't think like that, they simply react to what's going on around them.
pinkluwink 10 months ago
@pinkluwink Absolutely right! These are not calm horses.
drgnfr 7 months ago
tolles Pferd ;))
MrsZwutschgerl 11 months ago
Really a nice video..
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charuk2005 1 year ago
Everytime someone says it's cruel others say: well if it's cruel why does the horse do it. Because a horse CAN PERFORM BY THE FEAR OF PAIN AND PUNISHMENT! That's why now and then those horses can act all of a sudden hyper active and try to buck or try to escape.You can see clearly that the horses don't like it because of their body language. If you can do this without all the tack, bits and whips and pressure then the horse can choose at liberty. See Haute Ecole Nevzorov.
charuk2005 1 year ago 2
@charuk2005 their language? really? if you talking about the horse swishing it's tail then your wrong. If a horse swishes its tail its not obligated to mean that its mad or in pain, fear, ect. for crying out loud. THE HORSE IS DANCING. Some horses just do it! If they were mistreated they wouldn't be looking so good. If you look at some other dressage videos you'll see horses acting the same way, bu they are happy. And why could you buy a 80-150 thousand dollar horse and mistreat it?
horsesLcool 11 months ago
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drgnfr 7 months ago
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@charuk2005 I couldn't agree more
drgnfr 7 months ago
Dear dressage-lovers.
Stop arguing with people who think dressage is a bad thing. They'll never understand what dressage really is and that there's nothing bad about it. Arguing with those people is just senseless.
XLiseuh 1 year ago 2
Pattyig 1 Is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO correct!...I have been doing dressage for EVER!!! And it took me a long time to perfect things im still not perfect and im still learning but thats the point!! People are retards if they think you can do this right off the back it takes patience and years of training to get to a professional level
thewhatsupchick 1 year ago
a horse weighs 10 times as much as those men. if it didnt want to do something, it wouldnt.
lovely14ish 1 year ago
ha..at 1:19 the brown horse in the background is like.."I can't do this!! Its too hard!" and the black/brown horse next to him is like "Pfff, piece of cake!"
edlovehorses 1 year ago
this is so amazing. i wish i went to a dressage high school. lol mine's just regular high school..
xoSiNgInGiNtHeRaInox 1 year ago
Horses don't have rocks for brains; if they were unhappy, they would'nt perform.
hermythewormy 1 year ago
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RGdressage 1 year ago
Das arme Pferd! Man sieht voll das sich die Pferde unwohl fühlen. Ich hasse sowas! meiner kanbn auch spanbischer schritt und liegen und dazu muss er nicht eingeschnürt werden
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@vaxiawval eh...du kennst mich dochgarnicht!!!
Also bitte! Und schau dir die pferde doch an!!!!
Klar es sieht "schön" aus -.- aber das heißt nicht,dass die pferde ishc gut fühlen und das sieht man auch. Schau dir doch mal Natural Horsemanship und sowas an.
Das geht auch ganz ohne Kandare und Sporen!!!
xDDDMissSunshine 1 year ago
@vaxiawval Auzßerdem les dir mal die englischen Kommentare durch,da stimmen mir sehr viele zu!!!! Also wenn man nochnichtmal Englisch kann,aber hier groß rumposaunt dann ist man echt zudumm für diese Welt!!!! so leute wie du regen mich unglaublich auf -.-
xDDDMissSunshine 1 year ago
mmk, so if the horse is in pain, or not liking what he is doing, he would definitely tell the rider. like my mom ALWAYS says, it is impossible to fight with a horse. the horse will do whatever it can to flee whatever it doesnt understand or agree with. he will buck, bite, rear, lay down, roll, or whatever. you dont see any of these horses doing this, do you?
allegroequine14 1 year ago
horses are carefully inspected at all competitions so there's no way any abuse would be allowed, and if the rider shows signs of cruelty they get loads of points taken off or are disqualified. if you mistreat an animal they dont repect you and wont work at all let alone be trained in complex dressage dressage is less cruel than pony rides or dude ranches where people bounce around pull on the bit and are clueless
QueenBeatlesWings 1 year ago
horses are carefully inspected at all competitions so there's no way any abuse would be allowed, and if the rider shows signs of cruelty they get loads of points taken off or are disqaulified
QueenBeatlesWings 1 year ago
that video is so wrong... people shud kno that using a whip to train a horse is wrong... horses shud be allowed to learn without the use of violence and kno its ok to make mistakes, we all do.... :( ... its truely not fair... horses are the most amazing animals and shudnt be made perform for the entertainment of people..... i bdont care wat anyone says USING VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!!
noddyforever05 1 year ago
@noddyforever05 a whip used in the right way is nothing more than a motivator. don't try to be smart about stuff you know nothing about. once you get to certain levels in dressage, a whip and spurs are required. it is NOT violence
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noddyforever05 1 year ago
@noddyforever05 ummm what level do you show at? intro? a whip is not violent and if you really do dressage then you are one of those 'shelfish people' your talking about. u clearly know nothing about dressage. end of conversation.
gothgrl63 1 year ago
@gothgrl63 How am I SELFISH?... I DONT hit my horse with a whip for the pleasure of what winning? Id rather lose than hit my horse to win anyday... Anyway Ive got better things to do than talk to you... BYE!!!!
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nightmarejoey 1 year ago
das pferd bei 2:04 das spanischen schritt macht is auch kaum hinter der senkrechten ausgebunden aber jo
95legna 1 year ago
Those who think the horses are being mistreated must not have ever heard of the Lippizanners or horses like Seabiscuit, who clearly have a love of performing for crowds.
samiam15141 1 year ago
in order for the horse to be relaxed, his rider must be relaxed as well. The slightest amount of tension creates a tense and worried horse. None of these horses are nervous, or opening their mouths to try to spit the bit out, and i don't see any trying to buck their riders off or drag their handlers around the ring. The trainers are using the whips in a humane way- generally the rule is ask, tell, then demand where the rider first asks the horse to perform, etc.
samiam15141 1 year ago
this is How my first pony was trained not with all the fancy moves but with listnning and more than 1 person working with her Horses learn betetr by watching otehr horses work that is why they had so many horses out it helps with the learning they discover that it won't hurt them because another horse is using the same thing
101dancey 1 year ago
absolutely incredible! Perfection in it's baby stages : ) Love the paso music in the background : )
gingermist21 1 year ago
tierquälerei !!!!
Onjache 1 year ago
spurs and whips are only there for correction. i think if all you people who were really smart about horses, you would know that spurs and whips are not cruelty. just today when i was riding my second level dressage pony, she didn't listen to me when i tried to make her pick up the canter, so i tried again, she didn't listen, so i went for the whip right behind my leg to tell her that you are supposed to listen to my legs. i ALWAYS USE WHIP AND SPURS FOR CORRECTION ONLY!
iluvhorsesxoxo 1 year ago
beautifull :)
MsEvilMasterMind 1 year ago
seht ihr; es geht auch ohne rollkur =)
SuperPimPimPim 1 year ago
Beautiful horses, but the presentation seems a bit messy. Everyone is doing their own thing and I feel that there's no structure.. very messy
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jd031408 1 year ago
I just finished training my horse in reining and I'm gonna start dressage in a few months :D
the results are amazing!!
WindWolfProductions 1 year ago
i rly dont understand dressage ive always wanted to know what all it was all about bc its so pretty but i just dont understand it! haha = ]
chels2315 1 year ago
1:15 OMG check out that horse sitting down O.O is that chick tiny or is he just HUGE??? dang!! lol
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Horsehealth 2 years ago
well actually they have to treat the horses in the right way beacuse every horse of this is an inspected stallion and this stud is always in public and they have got the best trainers and studied pteachers in germany. sp it really would have been a pity if any of these stallions wouldn't be treaten in the right way!
aleanha 2 years ago
at 1.21 the horse stitting down its chewing and its ears are perked, its clearly enjoying and activly working with the rider/trainers
lalalittlejohn 2 years ago
I personally ride dressage and I do not see any abuse out there nor any unhappy horses. All these horses are moving very pretty (except the passage horse at the beginning, but he must have just started with passage since his steps were very uneven, not lame though) I also use a whip and spur to ride, if anyone has ever ridden a well trained dressage horse (particularly warmbloods) then you know that inorder for them no to kill you you must be firm and use whip and spur as correct aides...
squirealan 2 years ago
@squirealan you can be as firm as you like and use the whip and spur correctly; a horse ESPECIALLY a dressage horse will kill you no matter what. If that horse hasn't been trained properly (and let me tell you majority of dressage horse arn't) it aen't gonna trust you.
DomaVaqueraEntendido 2 years ago
unless you actually ride dressage, then you wouldn't understand what i meant, when i said that riding without a whip and spur would kill you i did not necessarily mean actually kill you. The horse I ride is exceedingly stubborn and if you are not firm with what you want she takes off and bucks at the siliest thing. She is highly trained horse, though she only got to third level because of issues with tying up. It has taken me a year to learn to ride her & i wouldve come off more w/o whip & spur
squirealan 1 year ago
@squirealan I've never known how spurs and whips could be used as a deterrent to a horse that would always bolt or buck. Once again, they are only used as aid reinforcements not as punishments.
DomaVaqueraEntendido 1 year ago 2
Until someone has trained a few horses to Grand Prix, they should keep their criticisms to a minimum. They way horses communicate with each other is pretty rough sometimes, tender at other times. You need to speak their language. And, in the end, it's all about partnership.
Walnut28Comms 2 years ago
i do agree with itsjustlikewhoa but a levade takes over 10 years to master correctly to get the centre of gravity to move back towards the hindquarters of a horse as naturally, the horse will lean upon the forehand, yet these horses could easily through their riders off if they were so upset a brutally handled, but they are sharing a partnership and bond with the rider and therefore respect them
XxmidnightriderxX 2 years ago
*throw
XxmidnightriderxX 2 years ago
great video!
MsCrazyhorselady 2 years ago
For these ones, who say, this is brutal.. can you give me some examples? I don't really see it, maybe because I'm not really experienced.. please show me :)
NextLionQueen 2 years ago
it's not even beautiful..
& not smooth. at all
JustAndOnlyM 2 years ago
And stop calling Germans brutal!! Not all are, I am from Germany and it is very offensive listening to people calling all Germans as a people, brutal. Please try to be careful of what you say because even without meaning it, it can be offensive.
thoroughbredrescuer4 2 years ago 5
They whip they tails for balance, that doesn't mean they are in pain. I ride dressage and my horses love it, especially when there is music playing it feels as if they're dancing!
thoroughbredrescuer4 2 years ago
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you think any of this is natural..your wrong!!
bridlelessgirl 2 years ago
@bridlelessgirl -
Horseback riding in general is "unnatural"- this is no less natural than riding around bareback.
itsjustlikewhoa 2 years ago
i know that but some things are more natural then this!
bridlelessgirl 2 years ago
@bridlelessgirl - Such as what?
Haven't you ever seen a horse put in some acrobatics at liberty (or while misbehaving under saddle) similar to a capriole?
Haven't you ever seen horses play fighting with each other while rearing, much like a levade?
While the bowing/sitting is just tricks- Haven't you ever seen a horse trying to get to the grass on the other side of the paddock- much like a bow? Or a horse getting down on the ground to roll or nap, a lot like the 'sitting down'?
itsjustlikewhoa 2 years ago
the horses are doing by them selfs and not getting whipped to do it.. the horses arent happy..what do you think they train them to swish their tails too?
bridlelessgirl 2 years ago
@bridlelessgirl - As someone else noted, swishing tails isn't always a sign of pain or aggravation.
If you look at the vid, the tails are mostly being swished pretty rhythmically with the movement. The movements they are doing require a lot of strength and balance- the tail swishing is a sign of effort and concentration here.
I don't see any horses being whipped, either. It seems to me the horses are still being trained - in hand, the whip replaces the leg. I actually see a lot of praise.
itsjustlikewhoa 2 years ago
to bridless girl A whip is not a tool of abuse unless the rider want it to be. The whip yet known as a cro is known as a tool of encougment and just telling the horse what not and what to do. Yes I understand alot of people use this whip wrong but if you are useing it the right way then basicly the horse should not feel a thing yet a small tap so that it know what it is doing is bad or for encourgment
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bridlelessgirl 2 years ago
If they were not happy they would be trying to do something to the riders. If you see most of the time their ears are up, witch is the most sign of being happy. Plus look I think the like having a good time dancing out there.
ilovemyhorse123 2 years ago
Dressage teaches horses to engage and swing their backs when they move. If you know anything at all about the skeletal anatomy of horses, then you realize that the tail is just and extension of the backbone. So a swing in the tail just shows proper swing in the back.
You should try taking a few dressage, or if you ride western, reining lessons. Both desciplines require you to connect with a horse on a level that just feels amazing when you achieve it.
BizStamm 2 years ago
yes i am taking college level classes even tho i am a freshmen in high school..i have taken dressage lessons on a very expensive horse he did not swish his tail like crazy or really not at all..i think it is use for concentration
bridlelessgirl 2 years ago
Tja... Duitsers hé..
Pure duitse lol. Geen humor dus...8-)
houdvangipsy 2 years ago
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poor horse, that asshole is inflicting pure pain in this horse's mouth .... that son of a bitch should be shot , I do not understand why these so called dressage queens love that disgusting sport , it is not sport it is abuse to horses
rodeosabuseanimals 2 years ago
Agreed.
DomaVaqueraEntendido 2 years ago
@rodeosabuseanimals - Really? I don't see any gaping mouths. Where exactly in the video do you see pain being inflicted? I'd be very interested to know just how much you know about training a horse to perform high school movements like this.
itsjustlikewhoa 2 years ago
@rodeosabuseanimals I can see that You know vary little about horses, but thats ok . you are showing an interest. You can not learn any thing with a closed mind, so with an open mind check out Clintan Andersons training methods. As you learn the facks You will see that nobody is inflicting pain on any of the horses in this video.
chaos0691 1 year ago
@rodeosabuseanimals let me explain a few things to you. I'm a dressage/high school student myself and NO, it doesn't inflict any pain on the horse's mouth. If it did, the horses would never behave like they do in this video. So you'd better talk about stuff you do understand!! -.-
missingpersontwo 1 year ago
When I was very unexperient yet, I was riding a horse whose mouth was very sensitive. As I was unconsciously aplling too much pressure on the reins, he felt pain in his mouth and wouldn't follow my orders, acting like if he was scared. I soon realized something was wrong and as I reliefed the reins he soon started behaving normally. When they are in pain or unconfortable, they simply don't follow your orders, which is obviously not the case in here.
missingpersontwo 1 year ago
They are all whiping their tailes.. I thought this shows pain? :S
@ DomaVaqueraEntendido : Please don't talk like this about 'the Germans'..
Not every German rides like this.
NextLionQueen 2 years ago
I apologise, you are right. I should have said, "The greater majority of Germans that ride in the style of 'Dressage' ride brutally".
Thank you pointing out my mistake.
DomaVaqueraEntendido 2 years ago
Doma, you are a very smart person my friend. Thanks for the support.
rodeosabuseanimals 2 years ago
no, there are several reasons why horse "whip" their tails: 1, concentration, the horse is listening to the rider; 2, flies; & 3, anger, but these horse ARE NOT angry or in pain.
eqsgirl2013WWU 2 years ago
@NextLionQueen No it does not.
chaos0691 1 year ago
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Please stop calling this dressage, it's really not. Dressage is a French, German and English invention developed from the traditional ways of riding. These Germans are performing Doma Clásica (quite poorly as well); one of the ancient ways of riding known as A La Jineta, created by the Moorish centuries ago and developed over hundreds of years by the Spanish. I've never seen Doma Clásica been demonstrated so brutally before, but not surprising as it is a German characteristic.
DomaVaqueraEntendido 2 years ago
@DomaVaqueraEntendido u have no idea ofwhat ure talking about.
the horses are performing "poorly" bcs that is a show where a dressage high scool shows how the horses are in progress with the training. So if u still didn't get it: the horses are learning it. If u only knew what ure talking about, u would have understood what the speaker there is sayin in german. so u stop acting like u know lots, cause if u did you would know that your acting pretty nazi, and that is what germans hate most.
1234gimmeascream 1 year ago
what a show !!!! this is awesome ?:)
ercumenttorun 2 years ago
No sport can be labeled as straight up abuse. It's when trainers, riders, and care takers do not do their jobs correctly. Training should be done through respect and should be catered to the horse's mental and physical abilities. Short cuts should not be taken, and the horses should be respected over all. Riders should make sure to ride as correctly as possible in order to avoid pain/discomfort for the horse and allow the experience to be enjoyable for the horse and rider.
Horselvr139 2 years ago 7
That goes for any sport, any discipline while using any tack and while riding any horse.
Horselvr139 2 years ago 2
by the way. ive done dressage, over fences, western, you name it. overall every equine sport has dressage involved bcause its the basics for many things. and it you do western pleasure, few can do it right, but i must say its super hard on the horse its incorrect and if anything thats cruel. but other western events (horsemanship, reining, cutting, etc) that uses dressage too. even some dressage riders use reining exercises for their horses.
roxypoo100 2 years ago 9
yet any horse would love to be trained by these guys rather than some local hunter/jumper trainer who yanks on their mouths and forces the head set and collection or just use a harsher bit. (not saying all are like this) so i think its stupid how you all have been arguing about it, obviously some of you dont know the correct knowledge of how to ride a horse.
roxypoo100 2 years ago
i think this is fabulous. to those who dont fully understand dressage, this is basically as good as it gets. overall a horse is naturally built off balanced and dressage is the highest degree of collection, etc, so they are as balanced as a horse can get. which horses love by the way. although all horses dont enjoy being ridden and all,
roxypoo100 2 years ago 2
there are people that can be abusive when doing dressage, but this doesnt look like abuse
CuteKitties30 2 years ago 2
Incredible :P The horses must feel so proud when they show
Lenemor93 2 years ago 3
If these horses were mistreated then how the hell are they in such good condition?
Why be mean and nasty to a horse when you want it to go as good as it possibly can in a world cup? It makes me laugh when people say that its cruel
Jennathegr8 2 years ago 28
@Jennathegr8 do u think they should die ....no...they r just suffering...do u feel better?
evita565 1 year ago
@Jennathegr8 i totally agree. and anyways, even if people want to believe this is "cruelty", where's the proof?
horseluver1811 1 year ago
schönes video !!!
5**
xVeniice 2 years ago
there are crazy people everywhere, no doubt- but the countless daily hours that go into this type of presentation are unimaginable to the untrained eye. there are no shortcuts cruel or otherwise to get this type of result. They didn't just take any horse and bring it there for the day to do this. There is breeding, specific feed, daily training with correct methods, lots of dedication. Dressage involves long warm ups, stretches low impact work. thanks for hearing me out.
pattylg1 2 years ago 40
@pattylg1 exactly!! i grew up hanging out at this place, and these horses treated with love and respect.
lostlovetwilight 1 year ago
HELLO!! If someone has a horse for show, they are OBVIOUSLY going to make sure it is spoiled, pampered and NOT mistreated, because the horse has to be in a "good mood" in order to perform the desired movement. Warmbloods are bred for showing BY THE WAY, and most horses, not all, LOVE performing. DUMB ASSES!
YourNewGod123 2 years ago 7
Your insulting me because I'm telling the truth? They have to be in a good mood? Why do just look at the last Olympics? The horses were drugged. These people train them every day and they still do that, too.
Inulib 2 years ago
not ALL of the horses were drugged. get ur facts straight b4 u try "yelling" @ some1.
eqsgirl2013WWU 2 years ago
yes if your wanting to do dressage go to a professional dressage trainer for lessons . that really helps!!11
dazFOX 2 years ago 3
is it not possible 2 do dressage w/ a prouder, more natural head carriage? is it necessary for the horse 2 appear so dominated?
ilv4peds 2 years ago
@ilv4peds - The head carriage in dressage is a result of simple biomechanics. In order for a horse to carry a rider and incur the least amount of stress on its back, it must bring its head down and back up so that the weight of the rider is distributed across the entire back and down the legs. Riding a horse that is hollow puts enormous amounts of stress on the horses back because the horse is unable to redistribute the rider's weight.
BizStamm 2 years ago
im the 500 fav person thingi
freekyhorselover1153 2 years ago
This is soo cool. How on Earth do they teach them this?!
pupellie3628 2 years ago 2
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cruelty. this is such a sad sport. believe me you don't want to know
Inulib 2 years ago
honestly, how is this cruelty?
pleatec13 2 years ago
because most of these people don't hadle them well. especially if it's for show cases. but of course not all of them. horses are still so mistreated. it's all about how you train your horse. and if money is involved it's always cruel. even the professionals i talk about say that and told people everything that's not be seen is okay.
Inulib 2 years ago
i used to work for a show barn and have a lot of experience around the horses that show for money, and yes some are mistreated and its a very big shame. but not all are. trust me, most of them achieve the results they need just but training and working hard everyday. some of the horses i used to work with are world champions and are treated amazingly well, no mistreatment at all!
flyinhigh1892 2 years ago 3
It's BULLCRAP they "don't handle them well". Are you going to fight w/a po'd 1300-lb. warmblood in a bad mood? My teacher is a professional and does NOT take shortcuts with gadgets or evil bondage gear crap. Some folks do, and you know what? Some folks do in every discipline, from jumping to driving to barrel racing to saddle seat to halter to whatever. And it reflects badly on those who know what the hell they're doing, but doesn't mean everyone or even most people do that.
CometGules 2 years ago 2
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cruelty as is
wachterwachter 2 years ago
Is this prix caprilla
dancerandhorserider 2 years ago
I like it when they do the terre a terre. Classical dressage is so much better then competition dressage.
joy3993 2 years ago 2
i love it..see my horse has the potential to do dressage and she just doesnt want to work at it no matter hard i try so i need help.. any advice???
equestrianlover1832 2 years ago
Amazing! :)
eventerkatie84 2 years ago
Da war ich auch !!!!!
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EquineCoach11 2 years ago
Ich war mal bei der Hengstparade in Warendorf, ich glaub das war genau diese im Jahr 2006 ... wirklich beeindruckend.
Amandarine789 2 years ago
Sehr Gut! Das ist gut. Ya!
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:D
NatzBbzx 2 years ago
thats amazing i love it!!!! those horses are amazing!!! those horses are beautiful!! personally their spanish walk could look a little more relaxed andn not so much flinging out the legs, but i love it! its amazing all the patience the trainers must have!
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trapinhastube 2 years ago
wow amazing! i want the black dressage one :P my horse can do a pirouette, well, kinda lol
horseskickbutforever 2 years ago
Love seeing the Draft horses doing dressage movements!
Catlanta1960 2 years ago
very very pouri
jojoradio13250 2 years ago
waouuu!
Tuturoxxor 2 years ago
Wow beatiful! now i see why dressage is so hard on horses!
animals1256 2 years ago
I guess I am a little tired of, "If the horse doesn't want to, don't do it." Horses grow accustomed to things, you have to break it to ride it, must not forget that. Horses eat, discard, and play nip-nip with other horses. They must have a use, for people to want them. No job= no use= no one wanting to pay thousands of dollars per year for their care. Which would bring the slaughter house industry to max capacity. For me, a little discomfort is better than horses viewed as cattle and consumed.
arabianturf 2 years ago
I'll take two, please. :)
bettylion 2 years ago
Well, by seeing this it looks really awesomly beatiful...
But still i wonder what the horse's opionion is about this?
I just hope that they are OK with this..
If not, the trainers suck ass..
XxHorseluver29xX 2 years ago
the horses for this are chosen very carefully, they must enjoy pleasing people and be willing to learn, no, they probably arent jumping for joy when they get to do this but im never jupming for joy when i have to work either. i dont think these horses mind at all tho. i think if they didnt like it then they would express it in some way ;)
myhorsepayday 2 years ago
AWSOME can i have one under 1 million dollars??
breyerhorsecrazy 2 years ago
Give me one.
chorichari 2 years ago
Woah toll!
Ich war dabei in Warendorf, als zuschauerin!
Das war einfach soooo atemberaubend.
ThisRainbowGirlx3 2 years ago
It looks like to me that a lot of horses that are being ridden have hallow backs in particular the black horse and rider with red pants. ouch
robinyoung71 2 years ago
???
billypony 2 years ago
If it was cruel, etc etc and the horses were unhappy they would not do it, learn about horses, riding, and get a valid opinion then come back.
ThundersRose 2 years ago 2
That is so untrue. Even with human beings, if we are told to do something by authority we do it. We obey it. We go to school right? Sure, some kids like school but most don't. We go anyway, right? What you wrote was so incorrect. I enjoy dressage, it's beautiful. But your point was not valid.
UnicornWithout 2 years ago
you cannot compare humans to horses... their just not the same sorry. Have you ever tried to get a horse to do something it refused to do??
She does have a valid point, im sick of seeing people with the 'oh so cruel blah blah blah' comments, I think hitting other people in hockey is cruel, same with slamming a ball when it could hit someone on the head, horses are huge and NO ONE here knows whether or not these horses are unhappy, neither is it their place to say so.
matthieshorse911 2 years ago
You can tell by their ears, and tail. Horses are constantly showing their emotions. And yes I have done something and had a horse refuse it, who hasnt?
UnicornWithout 2 years ago
If a horse is dead set against doing something you can sow them that its not going to hurt them, eventually they'll get there. But anyways, why is this so cruel? like I said, you can't make a horse do something they refuse to do, its not cruel at all, dressage is an art, like you said, so I guess all Im trying to really say is- why do you think its so cruel? really what exactly is cruel about it?
matthieshorse911 2 years ago
are those draught looking horses those ardennes? theyre lovely. i found the passage at the beginning quite jerky, could be the filming though, but it just didnt seem to be a free flowing as you normally see, plus the hind leg action didnt match the front legs. This to me suggests that rollkur may have possibly been used but it could be a numerous things i dont want to judge when theres no evidence.
Passion4Equus 2 years ago
well..yes i will admit i was wrong about,thats cruel.But its just the way i thought about it. Well if u do not believe me,then i will make a video!ON HUNNYBUNNY!!!:):):)and i cannot do the canter half pass cuz im still learning:P
applejackpooky 3 years ago
k i dont need to "step back" because i am only ten years old and i went from entry,to pre training in dressage,and i can do half passes,flying kead changes,side pass,leg yeild,shoulder in,and im learning canter half pass,so do not tell me to learn more about horses.
applejackpooky 3 years ago
Really now.. for someone who said 'that was cruel' I find that a bit hard to believe.
Those are some pretty amazing accomplishments from a 10 year old.. so I can't say I believe you lol. I mean if its true then.. congrats but that would take some pretty serious cash for all those classes not to mention the horses... sorry but a 10 year old who can do all that just doesn't really add up to me.. who knows, maybe your telling the truth..
matthieshorse911 3 years ago
I doubt that it is even slightly true. For one, a ten year old doing that would be an amazing sight. For the other, a GOOD rider knows that there is always more to learn about riding. Grow up, and get some lessons.
TwistedTemptress 3 years ago 3
Hmmm... That was a not-too-great spanish walk but the horse laying down(#56) (a belgian or cob? something) was freaking adorable <3
RidergoesRawrr 3 years ago
I don't think this is Spanish I believe it is German:)
DarJack1973 3 years ago
RidergoesRawrr was referring to the Spanish walk that the horses are performing not them speaking Spanish. :)
robinyoung71 2 years ago
omg thats cruel
applejackpooky 3 years ago
ok you need to step back, learn a thing or two about equitation, then post a new comment. because you're wrong.
TwistedTemptress 3 years ago
fasen va grymt!<3
loveprins 3 years ago
what is dressage?. and they horse are soooooooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!
p0nyxpr1ncess 3 years ago
dressage is a french term, it means 'to train, to exercise and to discipline'. in modern times, dressage is a show of the harmony between horse and rider. it involves a lot of training, and hard work on both the horse and rider's behalf. and to explain it in more depth would take more than youtube would allow, but it is definately worth reading more about. Dressage rocks =D
TwistedTemptress 3 years ago
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RidergoesRawrr 3 years ago
VERY GOOD EXPLANTORY THERE tWISTED VERY GOOD! We had a Arabian mare that did the basics but nothing like what these horses are doing! My mare did Shoulders in and out and flying lead change's,side passes and things like that! But that's hard enough as it is. She and my husband are in Heaven now:(
DarJack1973 3 years ago
I love arabians best. At the moment I have a thoroughbred tho, who is just starting her dressage career :) Thanks for the reply :)
TwistedTemptress 3 years ago
Impressive! But next time have someone other than a 6 yr old work the camera.
rtta51 3 years ago 2
that comment wasn't necessary at all.
USNBRAT91 3 years ago
GO ARMY!
rtta51 3 years ago
i want to go to dressage high school i wish they and one i the US
bobalooba54792 3 years ago
I wish they had one in holland xD. But I'm ain't that competition typ. I'm more a recreation typ. With outdoor riding etc.
Alishondra 3 years ago
yea me too but i mean still it would be cool i luv dressage and just riding
bobalooba54792 3 years ago
wow, amazing movements!! but i would never ever do that to a horse just to make people say 'wow'... most of them look complete nutters, completely corned up to the eyeballs and ready to explode and they looked so scared and so overwilling to preform, obvioulsy a lot of force and more brutal methods are being used behind the scenes, they just looked too tense, poor ponies, well except the draught i dont think he really cared, lol
holzdweaver 3 years ago 2
Do you know anything at all about dressage? Seriously, your comments just prove your ignorance.
TwistedTemptress 3 years ago
I kinda agree with TwistedTemptress. Dressage isn't at all about force - it's about understanding and precise communication between the horse and rider. Maybe you should ride dressage before you critique it.
luckisevensofia 3 years ago