@cortezforever "vintage sound" is this: It is was recorded (slave machine), then copied with a second slave, then mixed adding the sound of the mixing board, then mixed-down to tape, then that master tape was copied and sent to the mastering lab, where it was introduced to a board, and another layer of tape. .......Then is was sent to the record cutter who added his own compression and eq to it.
@cortezforever But the whole point of that is: there is no wrong way to record. Some producers dont like to use compression when recording or any effects (even guitars) (when recording ot tape). Tape likes things, flat, dry and clean.
Besides recording in analog, they had great songs and arrangements! getting a clean recording is important but it's what your recording that IMO is more critical.
The Queen song, We Will Rock You, was recorded on a Stevens Two-Inch FORTY EIGHT track. It just goes to show you what a piece of tape about the size of a cassette track (there are 4 per unit) can do; with the proper electronics.
@analyzingfunny There is some kind of ambiance when i listen to things from tape, it's almost like the aura of the human body, you know it's there but you can't see it.
First of there's a problem with the logic of the comment of the uploader. In the last decades, there's been a steady decline of album sales due to online downloading and also that until recently online shops like amazon didn't have any bases for calculating how much exactly they were selling. Finally a standard has been reached between the industry that for 10 solo sales it equal an album sales. (let's not also get in the pirating debacle which has caused havoc in the industry.... cont
Second, the mentality of the present generation is less on buying the albums and owning them as buying the hit songs, which can actually lead on them missing on some fine jewels, but like I said previously the math going into those sales were not uniformed and it resulted in a very dramatic drop of sales allegedly.... cont
since the advent of online shops that sales mp3 formats like itune, amazon and others, and since they standardization of how those single sales were going to be counted, you can actually see that there has been a steady increase in the sales for the first time in the past five years compared to the steady drop of world wide sales around the world for the past two decades, which has nothing to do with the advent of the digital world.....cont
Let's not forget that the digital world is actually not new. It was already present in the 70 and 80 with the digital tapes that were being used in the "analogue" studios, which did exactly the same thing as what Daws do today, convert a sound wave into 1 and zero's The only difference is at that time, it was still done on tapes, with all the hassle of editing, compared to what's being done with daws...cont
Many great albums have been done since the dissapearance of true analogue tapes in the professional studios. Many of those which are actually presented in this video. What changed though, is the mentality of the buyers, which in the past buying albums and owning them was almost a right of passage, a procession of going to the store and staying there for hours going through the vinyls or tapes, and coming out with a hard physical copy of the artists...cont
Today with the advent of the digital distribution methods, people can buy only the songs they like the most (most of the time those singles that are pushed the most often on the radio) from a variety of artists, where in the past, people bought whole albums of fewer artists due to budget constraints...cont
The digital recording has nothing to do about it, as there's actually many ways to sum through analogue like the ssl x-rack or using truely accurate modeling of analogue gear to give the coloration and saturation that the analogue recording chain gave, so much that on a blind test, 95% of you would not be able to give an accurate guess as to what is 100% analogue (even though the tape is digital) and what's done through a daw.
Oh yeah one last point. In those days there was also a lot less artist that were making it into the record shops due to the actual costs of producing a professional album, which those costs have dropped dramatically with the advances in daws. Which also brought an other plight to some, the indy industry and the home studio that thinks they are as good as profesionally treated recording studio's that uses the same daws with a lot higher quality microphones and monitors... cont
With the availability of sales means now available, many joe nobody can become hit stars done in their mothers basement, even if less quality. But it also gives the chance for a lot of good artists to actually live off of their trade, which was a lot harder to do in the past.
isn't seeing all these great artists once were the mainstream in the last century mildly sad today? why has since then there not been any good musicians who can lead up with them... I don't want to blame the tools, but the minds too. I don't know which we lack more of today.
This tool certainly looks like it will help to create tremendous recordings, but don't forget the ability to create a great recording lies with the skill and experience of the people who make it.
It certainly won't resolve the troublesome trend in the industry of creating "loud" albums with barely any dynamic range needed to give the music its punch to help make it sound great.
At least clipping won't be as bad with analog as it'd be with peak-limited digital. But, it'll still sound crappy.
@Watcher3223 True about the loudness. Also albums are produced to sound too bright now. But even the Foo Fighters' latest album which is overcompressed and overly bright sounds much better since it was done to tape. Like non-tape sourced recordings are unlistenable to me unless they use the emulators but this is better.
True. Like I said, at least tape deals with clipping distortion better than the hard clipping you get from the peak limiting just below full scale to allow maximum use of level without dropping out by going over.
But, IMO, peaking to much is still bad. With tape, it's okay if your going over is transient (with digital, as you may know, going over means dropping out), but it seems like people think that going above 0 dB and staying above that in the red is a good thing.
@Watcher3223 In the tape era (which was digital tapes for as far back as the end of 70's to early 80's) it was known that a good distortion (see saturation in actuallity) was nothing more than 4% above the VU peak point, after that you were truly bringing in more artifacts that musical ones. I'm probably one of the few here in the 35 years old and lower that actually worked with 24 tracks strudder in pro studios ;)
yeah if digital recording existed back then, almost all of these would not have been tape, it's what they had, not an option. the only band i can imagine still recording to tape are the chili peppers, who still do btw.
also this video is very biased and green day do not record to tape,
@RacismIsSchism Obviously you have not had any real experience working with great analog machines. There is a reason that Abbey Road owns CLASP and has it installed in Studio 2. and Also, FYI Green Day owns a CLASP system and IS recording analog again.
@endlessanalog no i can't say i have, but i do have an ear and have heard countless music both digital and vinyl, i've heard some great things on a computer and some real shit on tape, just my opinion though, obviously you're gonna have some bias when you're trying to market something, and no green day may record to tape now but not the album you have listed in this video, check your facts
I don't think alot of those classic albums would of been the same if they were recorded digitally. The whole workflow is different with digital than it is with analog. The songs probably would have been different, not just sound wise but structure wise. ANALOG RECORDING FORCES THE ARTISTS TO WORK HARDER AND GET THE SONG SOUNDING RIGHT BEFORE EDIDTING. And thats how you really make a good song, not cutting it up and edidting it to death.
"The worlds biggest selling records of all time were all recorded using analog tape." - Well yes, but if digital had been invented 30 years earlier then all those classic records would have been recorded digital. I've heard some great digital recordings, and I've heard plenty of crap analog ones!
That said, CLASP looks awesome and hopefully will give a new lease of life to all those redundant 2" machines gathering dust :)
the sound quality is especialy good with the tape machine from the mid 70's and 80's, 90's i love the extra smooth distortion and natural compression. recently i re discover the sound of my LP 33 RPM with an old HIFI disc player.
The future really is the past. I have a Scully 280-8 used to record More Than a Feeling, and Whole lotta love. Digital is harsh to the ears. A man on Coast to Coast pointed out the relation to sale dropping and digital.We subliminally hate it.
If i work with software vst's and record onto CLASP tape and then to protools would that be the correct procedure to get the vintage sound?
cortezforever 2 weeks ago
@cortezforever "vintage sound" is this: It is was recorded (slave machine), then copied with a second slave, then mixed adding the sound of the mixing board, then mixed-down to tape, then that master tape was copied and sent to the mastering lab, where it was introduced to a board, and another layer of tape. .......Then is was sent to the record cutter who added his own compression and eq to it.
analyzingfunny 2 weeks ago
@cortezforever But the whole point of that is: there is no wrong way to record. Some producers dont like to use compression when recording or any effects (even guitars) (when recording ot tape). Tape likes things, flat, dry and clean.
analyzingfunny 2 weeks ago
Besides recording in analog, they had great songs and arrangements! getting a clean recording is important but it's what your recording that IMO is more critical.
thebeatinventor 1 month ago
The Queen song, We Will Rock You, was recorded on a Stevens Two-Inch FORTY EIGHT track. It just goes to show you what a piece of tape about the size of a cassette track (there are 4 per unit) can do; with the proper electronics.
analyzingfunny 1 month ago
@analyzingfunny There is some kind of ambiance when i listen to things from tape, it's almost like the aura of the human body, you know it's there but you can't see it.
cortezforever 2 weeks ago
@cortezforever That is true. Analog tape much like Polaroid film can capture anomalies.
analyzingfunny 2 weeks ago
ANALOG 4 LYFE
RadioKilla07 1 month ago
First of there's a problem with the logic of the comment of the uploader. In the last decades, there's been a steady decline of album sales due to online downloading and also that until recently online shops like amazon didn't have any bases for calculating how much exactly they were selling. Finally a standard has been reached between the industry that for 10 solo sales it equal an album sales. (let's not also get in the pirating debacle which has caused havoc in the industry.... cont
Raindarsus 1 month ago
Second, the mentality of the present generation is less on buying the albums and owning them as buying the hit songs, which can actually lead on them missing on some fine jewels, but like I said previously the math going into those sales were not uniformed and it resulted in a very dramatic drop of sales allegedly.... cont
Raindarsus 1 month ago
since the advent of online shops that sales mp3 formats like itune, amazon and others, and since they standardization of how those single sales were going to be counted, you can actually see that there has been a steady increase in the sales for the first time in the past five years compared to the steady drop of world wide sales around the world for the past two decades, which has nothing to do with the advent of the digital world.....cont
Raindarsus 1 month ago
Let's not forget that the digital world is actually not new. It was already present in the 70 and 80 with the digital tapes that were being used in the "analogue" studios, which did exactly the same thing as what Daws do today, convert a sound wave into 1 and zero's The only difference is at that time, it was still done on tapes, with all the hassle of editing, compared to what's being done with daws...cont
Raindarsus 1 month ago
Many great albums have been done since the dissapearance of true analogue tapes in the professional studios. Many of those which are actually presented in this video. What changed though, is the mentality of the buyers, which in the past buying albums and owning them was almost a right of passage, a procession of going to the store and staying there for hours going through the vinyls or tapes, and coming out with a hard physical copy of the artists...cont
Raindarsus 1 month ago
Today with the advent of the digital distribution methods, people can buy only the songs they like the most (most of the time those singles that are pushed the most often on the radio) from a variety of artists, where in the past, people bought whole albums of fewer artists due to budget constraints...cont
Raindarsus 1 month ago
The digital recording has nothing to do about it, as there's actually many ways to sum through analogue like the ssl x-rack or using truely accurate modeling of analogue gear to give the coloration and saturation that the analogue recording chain gave, so much that on a blind test, 95% of you would not be able to give an accurate guess as to what is 100% analogue (even though the tape is digital) and what's done through a daw.
end.
Raindarsus 1 month ago
Oh yeah one last point. In those days there was also a lot less artist that were making it into the record shops due to the actual costs of producing a professional album, which those costs have dropped dramatically with the advances in daws. Which also brought an other plight to some, the indy industry and the home studio that thinks they are as good as profesionally treated recording studio's that uses the same daws with a lot higher quality microphones and monitors... cont
Raindarsus 1 month ago
With the availability of sales means now available, many joe nobody can become hit stars done in their mothers basement, even if less quality. But it also gives the chance for a lot of good artists to actually live off of their trade, which was a lot harder to do in the past.
Now truly the end.
Raindarsus 1 month ago
Superb Videoclip.
saa1293 2 months ago
Curt of Nirvana had even discussed releasing their final album (with him) on 8 track cartridge but it was turned down due to financial concerns.
RiaRadioFMHD773 2 months ago
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isn't seeing all these great artists once were the mainstream in the last century mildly sad today? why has since then there not been any good musicians who can lead up with them... I don't want to blame the tools, but the minds too. I don't know which we lack more of today.
GroovyColouredLove 3 months ago
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GroovyColouredLove 3 months ago
This tool certainly looks like it will help to create tremendous recordings, but don't forget the ability to create a great recording lies with the skill and experience of the people who make it.
It certainly won't resolve the troublesome trend in the industry of creating "loud" albums with barely any dynamic range needed to give the music its punch to help make it sound great.
At least clipping won't be as bad with analog as it'd be with peak-limited digital. But, it'll still sound crappy.
Watcher3223 3 months ago
@Watcher3223 True about the loudness. Also albums are produced to sound too bright now. But even the Foo Fighters' latest album which is overcompressed and overly bright sounds much better since it was done to tape. Like non-tape sourced recordings are unlistenable to me unless they use the emulators but this is better.
dubified89 3 months ago
@dubified89
True. Like I said, at least tape deals with clipping distortion better than the hard clipping you get from the peak limiting just below full scale to allow maximum use of level without dropping out by going over.
But, IMO, peaking to much is still bad. With tape, it's okay if your going over is transient (with digital, as you may know, going over means dropping out), but it seems like people think that going above 0 dB and staying above that in the red is a good thing.
Watcher3223 3 months ago
@Watcher3223 In the tape era (which was digital tapes for as far back as the end of 70's to early 80's) it was known that a good distortion (see saturation in actuallity) was nothing more than 4% above the VU peak point, after that you were truly bringing in more artifacts that musical ones. I'm probably one of the few here in the 35 years old and lower that actually worked with 24 tracks strudder in pro studios ;)
Raindarsus 1 month ago
@dubified89
Rather, what I said was that analog, not necessarily tape, is okay to peak and go over. Sorry.
Watcher3223 3 months ago
@Watcher3223 No need to be sorry my friend
dubified89 3 months ago
Also, FYI Green Day owns a CLASP system and IS recording analog again.
endlessanalog 4 months ago
@endlessanalog Cool
dubified89 3 months ago
yeah if digital recording existed back then, almost all of these would not have been tape, it's what they had, not an option. the only band i can imagine still recording to tape are the chili peppers, who still do btw.
also this video is very biased and green day do not record to tape,
tape is hype, it's how you use it that matters
RacismIsSchism 4 months ago
@RacismIsSchism Obviously you have not had any real experience working with great analog machines. There is a reason that Abbey Road owns CLASP and has it installed in Studio 2. and Also, FYI Green Day owns a CLASP system and IS recording analog again.
endlessanalog 4 months ago
@endlessanalog no i can't say i have, but i do have an ear and have heard countless music both digital and vinyl, i've heard some great things on a computer and some real shit on tape, just my opinion though, obviously you're gonna have some bias when you're trying to market something, and no green day may record to tape now but not the album you have listed in this video, check your facts
RacismIsSchism 4 months ago
@RacismIsSchism Foo Fighters do also.
Atrophy2007 2 months ago
"they all have one thing in common"... (these are the remixes) haha - I got good ears
AnfoMerc 5 months ago
I don't think alot of those classic albums would of been the same if they were recorded digitally. The whole workflow is different with digital than it is with analog. The songs probably would have been different, not just sound wise but structure wise. ANALOG RECORDING FORCES THE ARTISTS TO WORK HARDER AND GET THE SONG SOUNDING RIGHT BEFORE EDIDTING. And thats how you really make a good song, not cutting it up and edidting it to death.
Patzeppelin69 7 months ago 2
@Patzeppelin69 Yeah they'd be different, they'd sound much worse because digital recordings suck.
dubified89 4 months ago 2
"The worlds biggest selling records of all time were all recorded using analog tape." - Well yes, but if digital had been invented 30 years earlier then all those classic records would have been recorded digital. I've heard some great digital recordings, and I've heard plenty of crap analog ones!
That said, CLASP looks awesome and hopefully will give a new lease of life to all those redundant 2" machines gathering dust :)
Leopold63 1 year ago
the sound quality is especialy good with the tape machine from the mid 70's and 80's, 90's i love the extra smooth distortion and natural compression. recently i re discover the sound of my LP 33 RPM with an old HIFI disc player.
Meteotrance 1 year ago
Ok, I get it, records recorded before the 21st century were recorded on analog formats. But what does your product do?
15ips 1 year ago
The future really is the past. I have a Scully 280-8 used to record More Than a Feeling, and Whole lotta love. Digital is harsh to the ears. A man on Coast to Coast pointed out the relation to sale dropping and digital.We subliminally hate it.
analyzingfunny 1 year ago