A Different Perspective

[jessielovesyou123456]

God created us and who we are.... so why would he ever hate gays. he made them. I dont believe in god personally but again, if he made us why would he hate the way he made us? exactly.

[HerosComment]

Did you have sex with him after the questionnaire? lol

[11mitty13]

i belive u were born gay, just lik ur hair colour ur skin colour ur eye colour, because if i could i would be straight im sick of the bullying

[tew75228]

Great lessons on 'Religion' and homosexuality in the movie 'Prayers for Bobby' there's plenty of free view links if ya google the title ... please take time to watch it...

[xTheKazekageIsMinex]

If God hates gay/bi/lesbian people, then why would He have created us in the first place? God loves all of us. :D I'm in the same boat as your friend, although not as devout.

[DrNHand1994]

Most of the recent sexuality studies show that sexuality is acquired. You are not borne with a sexual orientation, it is not something that you can choose, and it is not really how you were raised.

Confusing! I know.

There are little social cues that you pick up on, and what is going on in your life all develops a sexuality. It can also change well into adulthood. I originally had no attraction to women, now I now have some. I don't like thinking I'm bisexual... but I guess I am

[tonykeywest07]

you cant serve God and your flesh your friends a hell bound fag

[lisztnut]

@tonykeywest07, there is no hell, and there is no god, so your statement was NONSENSE. Get some education yahoo...

[MultiplyingBunnies]

I agree with you 100 percent rob. Its the nurture part that decides whether you will be comfortable with it or not. Its something you're born with.

[smurfit24]

i have a very deep faith and belief in God, and have as far back in my childhood as i can remember. i also am 100% gay, and have been as far back in my childhood as i can remember. the two are totally "inseparable"!!! i have total peace with God and myself. i struggled for a very long time because of the judgment and condemnation of those who had no business casting judgment on me! finally, i heard the "still small voice" telling me that i was created the way i am, and that i was loved as i am!

[frenchroolz]

I totally dissagreed with your friend's idea. I firmly believethat I was born gay and I resent being told that my sexuality was something I chose. I had feelings of attraction towards guys before I even knew what being gay meant. I know that I never chose to be this way but I think that if I had a choice now, I wouldn't change anything. It is vital that you are comfortable with who you are.

[maitriparamita]

The main bits of the Bible say nothing at all about homosexuality (I mean what Jesus said and the Ten Commandments). The few bits that do condemn it also condemn eating shellfish, trimming your beard and touching pigskin - all classified as 'abominations' in the Old Testament books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. These are the sections of the Old Testament that were basically rejected by Christianity. So the current Fundamentalist anti-gay argument has an extremely feeble foundation.

[bomckwawa]

what about the whole sodemy thing and god striking him down? thats a pretty big thing haha

[maitriparamita]

Well thats from the bit of the Old Testament when god was having a bad hair day and was striking everyone down for doing anything. At one point he lost his rag and drowned everyone in the world apart from Noah's family. He seems to calm down later in the story.

[bomckwawa]

having a kid(jesus) seems to have that affect on people haha

[classic287]

I need to comment here again about homosexuality, because I hate to think that there are people out there who are throwing their life away, like I did, because they are afraid to come out. I can go on and on, but I won't here. Just send me a message if you want to talk about it.

If you don't live your sexuality, you cannot love yourself and therefore you cannot love others. It's that simple.....Be yourself, then you will blossom.....

[act1wally]

Thanks for your comment.

[act1wally]

Hi Rob, I want to say that being gay is not a sin. Same sex LOVE is not a sin. If you are not hurting anyone on purpose, how could it be a sin? I am gay, and it is not a choice or a "lifestyle", it is who i am. God loves me as he does straight people. He created us all. He does not make mistakes. Trying to hide it, only makes one miserable and unhappy, We should be proud of who we are, and i am very proud. Walt.

[classic287]

Rob and Walt, I agree with you both. I for one know you can't stop being gay. I have tried to be straight all my life. It has not worked. Denying my sexuality has ruined my life, and me as a person......

[ubtripnn]

very well spoken. I agree with u on most everything.

[AwesomelyPJ]

I agree with your comments entirely. How can someone be a sinner if sexuality is biological? We don't choose to be gay or straight but rather biologically we are probably programed in such a way that we have a tendency to navigate towards specific sexes. I'm not sure if nurture has any specific role in sexuality. I think you either swing one way or the other. It really doesn't matter whether you are the child of a religious family with strong conservative views or whether you live with liberals.

[OLDS98]

Very good. You really think out these videos and make some interesting points. Keep up the work. It is always interesting listening to you. I am glad you two are still friends and manage to respect each other.

[jiklar]

I feel like people are going to think I'm stupid if I don't come up with a well thought out comment. Damn.

[seacorp126]

Hello

Great video

I believe you can act anyway you want to, but you're underline sexuality remains the same. A large number of ExGays fall off the wagon not because they want to but because its who they are. As a guy with brown hair I sometimes dye it, I dont know why. But no matter what color I go with I'm still a guy with brown hair.

Cant wait for the next vid!!!

George

[sleekcartim]

bottom line: be urself, no matter what that is, let all negative thoughts u and others have about you fall away, so u can grow into the man u want to be. keep it simple, keep it real. peace

[quentinobrick]

what if you genuinely just have no idea what u r?

[tfeems]

People have a need to keep things organized and so there are labels that people have to attach to everything

but don't get caught up in that

just give it time and as long a you are honest with yourself you will figure it out

[dawittyone]

I don't think orientation is a choice - I think you are born with a sexuality. You can chose to live your life with a girl despite an attraction to guys - the set of actions that make up your public and private life are, in fact, choices. So by that reasoning, homosexuality is not a choice, but living a homosexual lifestyle is (note, however, that it's likely that NOT living to your orientation is mentally draining and emotionally difficult, but that wasn't the question).

[dawittyone]

Yay - it's Saturday! I actually forgot until I saw Rob's video here - where DID the weekend go?!

[DoubleDareLike]

My beliefs on this issue are very similar to yours. I also believe that your friend is not only being dishonest with some of what he told you, I believe he is lying to himself about who he is and and what he wants out of life. If he were to tell a real straight man that he (the straight man) could become gay if he simply chose to- well your friend would get hurt. I've been with a lot of women and a lot of guys, but I've never considered myself bi - just hiding who I really am - a normal gay man.

[garysdeskcom]

Interesting video. Thanks for sharing your friend's thoughts. I agree with your position, not his position, but support him in how he chooses to live out the faith.

[Bjm702]

The question i have been asking myself for many years: Is it possible for a gay male to trick his mind so that he can be attracted to females? Just a question but i wish that was possible.

[Jessematheson]

can a straight guy trick his mind to be gay ?

and another good question is..why would he want to ?

[seacorp126]

Why do you wish that was possible? For me I tried and spent a lot of time in a straight relationship but could never really keep my homosexuality controlled. I never cheated but dam it I wanted to. Shes my best friend and we are literally will and grace. It went down the same way. Its hard man; I dont know your situation but hang in there. Keep thinking things will get better, It WILL

[fflybz]

Oh, so now I'm a rapist.

Yipee!

[fflybz]

Would he stone people too? Does he eat shellfish? Will he put his menstruating wife out of the house?

He's using an old book that has nothing to do with Christianity. It's Judaism. Too bad he doesn't use the book he's suppose to be using The New Testament.

Can a black person take something to change that?

If he wants to waste his life, let him.

[Ardie2pt0]

when you were telling his belief that being gay is a choice at thel beginning i was thinking to myself "that's crazy and so archaic" that certainly he can't really believe that. no gay guy thinks that way these days. then it hit me, he's NOT gay. he is bi. that changes things completely. of course its very easy for him to think its a choice because with his genetic make up it IS a choice hence bi sexual. he can easily go one or both ways. if he were soley gay he would think differently i'm sure.

[fflybz]

Yep. Brought this up myself before. Either he's bisexual and is easier for him to veer towards the other sex. Or he can be repressing himself from his homosexuality.

[Agila1]

Your friend is wrong: the Bible does not speak of homosexuality at all: it simply speaks of lust and homosexual actions. What is considered sinful in Christianity is the active entertainment of lustful thoughts and sexual actions.

[blueboycrazy]

both very good views.

There are so many posibilities to explain why people are gay.

like a son is more likely to be gay if the mother has consecutive sons - because her body is conteracting the male gene which is seen a foreign object therefore making the unborn baby more feminine.

Or guys with 1st finger and 3rd finger that are the same length are more likely to be gay.

but nothing is proven yet. But all very interesting.

Cool video. I like the depth of it all :D

[Dashingdavaroo]

Wow, his upbrining really did a number on him.

[myfaceissquiggles]

To quote kindadesultory's latest video, "A brunette can dye her hair blonde and a gay man can play it straight, but it doesn't change what's underneath."

I grew up in a devout Protestant household. When I realized I was attracted to guys, I had a VERY hard time with it. But now, I take a lot of pride in knowing who I am and who I am not. What would it say about me if I chose to live to others' heterosexist standards rather than by what would make me truly happy?

[AECSRQ]

Your friend has a long way to go in accepting his sexuality and his own internalized homophobia. His religion has evidently served only to reinforce his suffering and confusion.

Kudos to you, Rob.

[CalebWandering]

There is a lot of biblical evidence that homosexuality isn't a sin, but only a cultural taboo to the Jews. The argument that no one can choose to be gay is an irrelevant compromise, in my opinion. Does it really matter where your sexuality comes from?

Kudos to you for being nice and fair to your friend. it seems gay christians are often ostracized by both groups and accepted by neither.

[access81]

this is very interesting.

[jeunesseperdue]

it's sort of like an ambidextrous person saying how easy it is to switch from being left-handed to being right-handed. i'm not sure they can contribute anything relevant to a discussion about being left-handed.

[Agila1]

Christianity and homosexuality are only compatible when the homosexual inclination is supressed from being turned into lustful thoughts or actions.

Be yourself, don't allow any religion to change you...

[plshaveaniceday]

Your friend has an interesting perspective. But i have to disagree with the part about sexuality = nurture. Dont associate sexuality with murder and rape. In fact there are researches showing that there is a criminal gene in the criminals but are yet to be explored. Same goes with sexuality. If one were to be straight but nurtured to be not, will that person be truely who he is? will he live his life to the fullest? same goes with the opposite

[gtfotw]

is your friends name Patrick?

[robmuch]

Haha, no, his name isn't Patrick

[poodtang1]

My family is not religious at all. So this didn't factor into my coming to terms with who i am. I had to figure it out on my own. My parents didn't like it but at the same time they didn't hate me either. After a while the issue faded into the background.

On the nature vs. nurture, i beleive it's probably both.

[rkenned2]

Its easy for a bisexual (who is ignoring his same-sex attractions) to say that you can choose not to be gay.

And also being gay does not mean necessarily that you are butch, camp or anything else. Alot of gay men and women have these characteristics but alot don't.

The sole defining thing to being gay, is the existance of an emotional and physical attraction to those of the same sex. And you cannot choose who you are attracted to. It is innate.

[feebleboggart]

Nice job Rob. Hadn't even thought about homosexuality being lumped in with sex before marriage, etc. It's interesting, cos people who do that are still allowed to receive communion and the like. Would be a good argument with Christians. Still... it shouldn't be lumped in with the sins :P Oh, and Rob - just a lil suggestion - can you place yourself more in the frame? Like maybe 2/3 across the screen. When your right on the edge it's kinda annoying :P

Peace out,

Damo

[Agila1]

People who fornicate are allowed to have communion? Nope, that'd be deemed a mortal sin.

[kensington25]

I too disagree with many of the sentiments in the poem though not all. I very much disagree with the idea we can simply change our sexuality. We can choose to lie and rape but we can not really choose who we are attracted to regardless of nature versus nurture argument which I think is irrelevant as neither makes being gay more valid than the other. We are who we are and I think your friend like so many others is still finding out who he is and accepting himself. 5*

[plshaveaniceday]

If one were to be able to choose its sexuality, there will be no gays in the world.

[kensington25]

Yes exactly, to a point.

[myfaceissquiggles]

I disagree. Being gay isn't easy or always a happy experience, but I could never betray myself on such a basic level like that.

One of the positive aspects about realizing that I was gay is that I was forced to question myself, and through that, I learned a lot about myself and who I am as a person. Without this, I would not know myself a faction as well as I do now. I wouldn't trade it for anything.

[tehdark]

wow, some good points. =)

[doriansu]

I'm not a religious guy, though I once was. I think that 90% of "religious" people don't (want to) understand what - in this case - Christianity is all about. It's about tolerance and forgiveness, helping others and that God is the only one who should judge. Living in a country where gay pride parades have to be secured by police with helmets, shields and batons, I know what intolerance and hate are. But, I can stand up for myself and I don't let those things get to me :)

[beachbumm1593]

good points.

=)

[NichisStuff]

I have to say that I don't agree with your friend in the most parts... In my opinion, you can only find happiness, if you find out who you are and integrate your whole being into your life. Not suppress the characteristics that make you uncomfortable, because they may not be shared with the majority of society (which is the biggest problem here).

Also, I don't really appreciate being put on the same page as rapists and murderers, just because I am attracted to guys, thank you very much...

[NextLifeDK]

Good points.

[Theophi1us]

This was really good =]

You and I's beliefs are pretty much the same =]