What a fameless end. Destroyed by a ship that should even not stand a chance against the Enterprise without shields. Poor Enterprise D does not deserve such a bad ending. Some kind of "Battle of Narendra III" would be better.
They were in a few episodes if I remember right. They're strongly tied to that generation's Klingon politics. They were the brains behind a conspiracy to dethrone chancellor Gowron and have their younger brother placed on the throne. The Duras clan has a history with the Mogh clan, mainly being that it was a Duras that betrayed the Klingons and not Worf's father.
Man if Galaxy classes were top of the line until the Sovereigns came along it seems a miracle that Starfleet lasted as long as it did. Even Ferengi transports and obsolete Klingon raiders could go toe to toe with them :P. Still, this seemed like a rather unfitting end to a ship that had traveresed the universe on several occasions, defeated several Borg ships and saved countless billions of lives :( Kind of like death by bridge
Has anyone ever noticed that they used the exact same same explosion from Star Trek VI when they Bird of Prey is destroyed. It's surprising they would be that cheap for a movie.
@hiddenflame33 Big movies do that a lot for scenes that require big explosions, particularly pre-CGI movies, even these days, Michael Bay used an explosion from one of his older movies and put it in the latest Transformers film. The ship models they used for Star Trek cost tens of thousands of dollars and I guess they figured they could spend that money on something more important than a two second clip of a ship exploding when they already had one :P.
@hiddenflame33 yes..... actually i think using that exact same explosion from Star Trek VI has become one of the most memorable things about this movie to trekkies
For those complaining about others "analyzing the clip to death" - internal consistency in any fictional universe, be it Star Trek, Star Wars, or any other, is a key to suspension of disbelief. It's not that "physics" are violated, such as no-names getting flung around while Main Characters emerge unscathed - as long as that's what *usually* happens.
In the context of the ST:NG universe, this scene doesn't hold up well. *shrug*
@StarFleetCommand3 Nerd attack, but according to the star trek technical manual, shield frequencies are based on the generator itself. They can't just remodulate them as that is the frequency the shields expel their energy when active. Yeah....I wondered this for a long time.
@StarFleetCommand3 and just continue firing al phaser banks and max torpedo spread. but the true reason why this is so because paramount pictures wanted an new ship for first contact and not a 90's ship
it always happens.. geeks analyze the clip to death ... how's this for anal ysis
how can you have federation minions being thrown around the bridge but have key officers untouched? concussive effects of any blast will affect the entire bridge and not just some small portion of it.. especially if the blast is originating from something as big as a torpedo
The saddest part of this scene was not the Big E being owned by a rattletrap BoP. The saddest part was the death of B'Etor - now that was one hot Klingon b'tch! :D
I find this scene ironic. The Enterprise-D can take a pounding from 4 24th century Birds-of-Prey, from freaking BORG SHIPS, and survive all of that! Yet a simple 23rd century BOP model can overload her warp core?
It's also sad that she looked inferior even to an Excelsior-class vessel in this scene.
@MilesRdz01 You know...I always wondered why they didn't simply remodulate and blast that bird of prey to hell. Or why they didn't simply eject the core. I don't remember Geordi saying the ejectiong system was disabled...Leave it to screen writters to fuck up common sense.
@hammerman6842 shall we go back to discussing Star Trek III how two torpedos couldn't destroy a bird of prey while all it took was one from the Enterprise D. Yes I agree, the writers literally have fucked things over. Not only did they make Admiral Kirk out to be a complete dumbass, but they also did likewise with the TNG crew. Do I detect the similarity that both resulted in ships being lost. Kirk self destructed his and Geordi couldn't eject the f'n core. Weak and sad :(
How cheap can you be to reuse a special effect? Especially one that was the finale of the last f*ckin' movie?! For Christ's sake, we're not watching this stinker for the plot. Just spend the extra $60 and blow up another Klingon ship.
@CaptHawkeye Yeah, but the Enterprise E is awesome is in its own right. Besides the scene of the Enterprise E flying past the Defiant during the Borg cube battle in First Contact would never be as awesome if it was the Enterprise D flying past the Defiant.
As a former bridge officer, I raised some concerns with my union that the stations at the back of the bridge were likely to explode at the drop of a hat. Of course I was laughed out of the briefing room after Captain Picard pointed out that the chief engineer (Jorge Lopez I think was his name) was a fully qualified technician and personally certified each station as "safe to use".
As you can see, Bob there caught the full force of this "safe" console and I got his knee in the back of my neck!
As a former bridge officer, I raised some concerns with my union that the stations at the back of the bridge were likely to explode at the drop of a hat. Of course I was laughed out of the briefing room after Captain Picard pointed out that the chief engineer (Jorge Lopez I think was his name) was a fully qualified technician and personally certified each station as "safe to use".
As you can see, Bob there caught the full force of this "safe" console and I got his knee in the back of my neck!
I love how quickly Riker locks onto the idea that if this Bird of Prey were fully functional, it would part of the regular fleet. Brilliant tactical mind!
@CynicalVision Even more sensible would be for the Klingon ship to have targeted the warp core with her first shot, thus dooming the Enterprise before she could remodulate her shields.
I suspect that the Klingons were able to spy on the Enterprise continuously and thus adapt to the changing shield frequencies.
@tnphysics - The BoP's weapons probably weren't powerful enough to damage the Enterprise that quickly. They fired two photon torpedoes to begin with and only damaged the hull. It's like an old pistol against modern Kevlar body armor. Plus the Klingons missed a lot...
Lazy writing, generations is probably the most poorly written ST movie. Even without the shields they could of easily beaten that old Bird Of Prey. Whatever happened to just transferring shields energy to weapons?
Even a few extra seconds of dialogue would of helped, like the Klingon weapons officer saying something like "We've targeted their weapons" before firing.
It's just so obvious the writers wanted to get rid of the Enterprise D in the fastest (and cheapest way) possible.
@JMcH The Motion Picture was a better movie than Generations. At the very least, it didn't reek of a cash-in the way Generations does. Agree with you on Star Trek V, though.
so we also see here that troi is not that great a driver, when the enterprise fires she is turning into the planet. and yes they should rotate the shields. but the worst thing was to use the same footage from undicovered country of the bird of prey exploding.
This has to be the stupidest thing ever put in any Star Trek film. Nothing makes the slightest sense even from a narrative perspective. -But let's not even get into that. Let's just start with the idea that forcing one's enemy to turn invisible mid-battle somehow makes them easier to hit...
Ya know, the Klingon ship could have rotated slightly to the left and would have avoided destruction. The sisters just look at the torpedo and go duuuuhh.
that cabinet geordi is always looking thru has blown up 12 times throught out the series.. yet no core breach... guess the cabinet couldnt take anymore
@bjornjoseph - the klingons represent "black folks", everything about them is 'gangsta'....in addition to periscopes, all klingon ships are equipped with bumpin sound systems....lol
I must have been around 11 years old when I watched this movie, I was totally awed by the battle sequence and the crash landing. I only noticed the flaws as I got older and having watched a lot of reruns of TNG. Heck at one point there was an episode where a few shots from the Enterprise-D phaser took out two more advanced kligon birds of prey like they were nothing. I still like the movie just because the nostalgia I suppose and Data's funny reactions.
See this is why Kirk never trusted Klingons, no matter what you do they always want to come around starting trouble until someone blows their asses up. Didn't they see Star Trek 3 and 6 it didn't work for them than and it sure didn't work now. Plus in number 3 they got ship jacked and Kirk used the ship to go back in time and save earth
When I watch this part, I can hear my girlfriend filled with anger that the enterprise is taking severe fire but as a Star Trek Generations fan, she extremely loved how 1 torpedo hit blew the Klingon Bird Of Prey to pieces. To my girl, she said that Kirk and his ship was an insult and a pussy to the space saga but Picard was the man and knew how to get the job done all in one setting. In her words, "It took less than a minute to wipe them out unlike Kirk taking forever to even make a dent."
Since when do torpedos have a 'frequency', why does the Klingon ship keep missing, and how come this battle is exactly the same as the one in the previous film?
@lucasisking - I don't know if it's ever been made official, but it's said that torpedoes have shielding like starships, only weaker. If the frequencies match, the torpedo can get through.
The Klingon ship keeps missing because the Enterprise is evading, the weapons systems on the Bird of Prey are old and they have Klingon females shooting. (Just kidding.)
The battle uses recycled footage because the filmmakers were lazy. Apparently they didn't want to build a model around to blow up.
@JMcH The Klingon ship may be 'old' in the 24th Century, but even 21st century weapons are more accurate than that. The Klingons should be able to lock onto the enterprise. Better than that, they should be able to lock onto vital systemns: eg THE BRIDGE or the warp core. These Klingons are supposed to be warriors right? They are the worst tacticians EVER (well along with the Borg) :)
@JMcH Star Trek always did use recycled footage. Like in Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan, they use the same shots for the enterprise launch scene, and in number 4, we see a rerun of the destruction sequence of the enterprise and in parts 5, and 6 we see the same shot of the enterprise in spacedock like when it was hiding behind the excelsior.
@TonyShow82 - True, but the film quality difference in footage between original cast movies wasn't as great as it is between those and this movie. The sudden difference in quality is pretty striking.
@JMcH Finally when you watch the trailer for Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered country, you'll see a glimpse of Star Trek 3: The Search For Spock where the Klingons shot the engine of the enterprise in which we never saw in part 6 and yes, we see the Star Trek 6 bird of prey's death here in Generations.
Check out the three dorky extras just before Data says "Yes!" The guy in the middle does some weird arm thing and the guy on the left has a goofy smile on his face.
@Galen82 - It's fiction, so don't think about it too hard. ;) Seriously, though, in the fictional setting, Klingons were deadly rivals of humans and the Federation for a long time, so learning English in order to understand captured information was likely common. The same thing happens here in the real world when countries are at war.
The discontinuity that I noticed was that Riker ordered Worf to prepare "a spread of photon torpedos" to be fired after they cloaked. But when it actually happened, Worf only fired one.
@cswurt - Plus Riker said they'd have 2 seconds in which to hit the Klingon ship. Once the cloak engaged and the shields went down, it took a lot longer than 2 seconds.
Due to the secondary command functions are standardly located in the same area the first torpedo volley hit the Enterprise, in the Canon Novel for Generations, it was specified it hit the DSACS (Deflector Shield Array Command System) or rather the grid for linking the power to activate the control, Shields remained up but the modulation was frozen so that the shields could not also be lowered or raised, otherwise, shield power would of been diverted to weapons.
@cjwright79 I think it was just for effect -- y'know that slow-motion "Oh shit" feeling you get when you're about to be in a big accident. That's what the Duras sisters were experiencing. Photon Torpedos actually travel at near-light speed. Their shields weren't down while they were cloaking, only after they'd completely cloaked (since the cloaking device is technically a shield, it takes over the ship's deflector shield grid). Siphons power from the shields to the cloak, so it's not instant
If we leave aside the fact the franchise wanted to design a new ship and therefore found any way to destroy this incarnation.....
Many people comment about how fragile Galaxy class vessels always seem however bear in mind that in this the shields were totally ineffective. The ship was therefore taking repeated hits to the critial engineering areas. The first hit clearly did damage to the f'ward torpedo capability and the deflector. Similar to how the Odyssey took a beating in DS9.
Worf: "They've found a way to penetrate our shields!"
Riker: "Fire all weapons!"
There, done. I doubt that ship would have held up long to a full barrage of phasers and torpedoes. But instead Riker has them return fire with one phaser, once. Then he orders a retreat, presenting their flank and aft sections to the attacking vessel. Smrt.
@erichoover2006 no but starfleet ships use plasma based power distribution so theres conduits in the walls that carry plasma even with shields up at 100% under normal circumstances some of the energy from weapons fire makes it through the shields thats why the ships suffer damage in battle. now with the shields useless all the energy from weapons fire is hitting the ship causing power surges tht blow out power conduits thts why u see walls exploding
In the words of Worf, ''They have found a way to penetrate our shields'', so they just presumed the Klingons had a way to get throught all shields, not just theirs, they didnt have time to debate or mess about, the systems were blowing up so Riker just ordered Deanna to break orbit and retreat but they took too much damage.
As a matter of fact, from when the Klingon ship messed the enterprise up until when the sauser part crash on Veridaan 3 or whatever that planet was...
Best. Star Trek action.... EVER!
I just wish Troi kept her season 7 hair though, it looked better in 2370
Plus, in "Yesterday's Enterprise" it was established that the Enterprise-D could destroy a BOP with continual phaser fire... and THAT was a much newer BOP than the one here. (True it was in an alternate reality... but still)
The one thing that always bugged me about this battle is how the Enterprise just didn't blow the crap out of that old BOP. Like they didn't think about unleashing the Enterprise's full offensive capability. She didn't even use all of her phaser arrays... there's even a shot with the BOP sort of trailing behind one of the D's nacelle pylons which we all know has a phaser array... there are phasers all over the ship!
throughout every startrek battle when they get hit by torpedos they always say.. "remodulte shield frequency"... um why didnt they remodulate shield freqency now?
@Direandy1005 It's true that they'd just look through Geordi's visor again but surely the Enterprise crew were unaware of this so would've tried remodulating anyway? Just a thought..... Personally if all else fails I would've just taken the shield power and put it somewhere else like weapons or the engines to get out of there faster but this is probably over-thinking things....
@Direandy1005 The movie was inherently boring and full of holes. This was all they could do to make it interesting: make the ship that we've known and loved for 7 years get blown up by an out of date POS Klingon cruiser and a spycam on Geordi's glasses.
Seriously, that androgynous bitch Shelby knew how to remodulate the Enterprise shield frequency at the end of the third season! Did everyone just forget after that? Also what happened to ejecting the warp core? And Troi flying the ship? Please.
@viperhalberd Nope..very good point and sure didn't forget that. Remodulating the Enterprise shields is what allowed them to fight the Borg tractor beam. I thought this was a very weak way to destroy a beautiful, classic ship to upgrade to something new.
@viperhalberd - Troi trained to become a commander during the series. Her final test was ordering someone to their death in a holodeck scenario. I would imagine that her training included basic starship control.
@JMcH since the whole point of her training was to be able to take night watch id assume it was since in the outside chance something happened she might need to take the helm
@insaneapples Why do you consider this a plot hole? Lursa and B'etor have wanted to destroy the Enterprise and punish Picard for what happened in Redemption Part I/II for some time by the point Generations came out.
@Sunburn2007 We were talking about the whole visor thing. They learned the shield frequency but the shields were never "remodulated", which has been a common thing on Star Trek. So I called that a convenient plot hole.
@insaneapples Eh I don't know if I agree with that; shield modulation was a fairly new operating procedure for Starfleet by the Stardate of Generations; and even then, it was only used when facing the Borg, because they could adapt and overcome defenses. By the time DS9 got going, you saw shield modulation happening more frequently. But again, none of the bridge staff knew how the Bird of Prey managed to overcome its shields and there was no time to guess.
@Direandy1005 , That is true the Klingons could just look thru Geordi's Visor again.....The Enterprise didn't know how ( or ever find out ) the Klingons were able to get thru their shields. They didn't know Geordi's visor had been tampered with.
@Astraldragon1 And according to the "Generations" novelization, that's exactly what they did. Every time a change was made, they were able to see it and change their torpedoes accordingly.
Paramount should have learned their lesson from what happened to the first "Star Trek" movie; rushing a film as big as that never ends well. Then again, Paramount just doesn't seem to get it very often where "Star Trek's' concerned. I just hope they don't run the reboot version into the ground as well...
@JMcH They did indeed. They implanted a bug in Geordi's VISOR. That was what Soran was doing with the VISOR when they asked him if he got anything out of him.
which in itself is a plot flaw! The Enterprise a far more powerful vessel had plenty of options.
1) Re modulate shields - shown in many episodes in fights with the Borg that this is a very quick process.
2)Go to warp and come back in a position of advantage.
3)The simplest and the flaw itself - FIGHT BACK!
She still had Phaser and Torpedo capability even with its shields up that D12 Bird of Prey would of been beaten down quickly! All Riker had to say was "Fire everything we have Mr Worf!"
@Fedaykin24 only theres 2 possible problems with option number 2. One is that if they leave the planet, the Klingons would probably beam down and kill the Captain. Either that or their Warp Drive was damaged
@bjornjoseph Simple, really: They had no idea how the Klingon's penetrated their shields and didn't have time to make guesses that may not have worked.
@philyburkhill1 , Generations is Great....it doesn't matter if the Bird of Prey is 80 yrs old or 1000yrs old. no matter what you used to fight your weapons will damage them if they can get past the defence of the Enterprise. Enterprise make be more advanced but they still take damage and be destoryed even against a older bird of prey.
@Astraldragon1 generations is terrible, not even looking at anything other than this battle. not only could a galaxy class open up a volley of phasers and torpedoes that would pulverise and destroy a 80 year old bird of prey but if shields are penetrated then the first thing they do in the series is rotate the shield frequency every 5 or 10 seconds. they wouldn't aimlessly float around, continuing to get hit by the bird of prey while talking about plasma coils.
stupid hu-mans if that would have have been a ferengi ship they would have bribed the klingons.
RyanimayProductions 6 days ago
aperently the enterprise is made of cardboard...
PseudonymPlayer 1 week ago
"Mr. Worf, what do we know about that old Klingon ship? Any weaknesses?"
"Yes. It's OLD. And we're in a Galaxy-class ship. You do the math."
gsaum 1 week ago
Why does the ship always end up being destroyed when riker is in command?
youngsmyname 2 weeks ago
@youngsmyname What about Insurrection ? certainly wasn't the case, he even won a battle
youteubee69 1 week ago
"WE ARE CLOAKING!!!!!"
".......oh fuck."
shockman911 2 weeks ago
This Movie was Fantastic.
TheJKVW 3 weeks ago
What a fameless end. Destroyed by a ship that should even not stand a chance against the Enterprise without shields. Poor Enterprise D does not deserve such a bad ending. Some kind of "Battle of Narendra III" would be better.
Elfenvampir 3 weeks ago
They were in a few episodes if I remember right. They're strongly tied to that generation's Klingon politics. They were the brains behind a conspiracy to dethrone chancellor Gowron and have their younger brother placed on the throne. The Duras clan has a history with the Mogh clan, mainly being that it was a Duras that betrayed the Klingons and not Worf's father.
Tetradotoxin 3 weeks ago
Were the Duras sisters featured in any of the Star Trek Next Generation TV episodes?
88mroux 3 weeks ago
@88mroux See Redemption Parts 1 and 2, Sins of the Father, Firstborn.
ExplorerXIII 1 week ago
He ordered a spread and only fired one.
blah979 4 weeks ago
An entire Bird of Pary series of ships was removed from service because of one faulty part. Say what now?
blah979 1 month ago
Man if Galaxy classes were top of the line until the Sovereigns came along it seems a miracle that Starfleet lasted as long as it did. Even Ferengi transports and obsolete Klingon raiders could go toe to toe with them :P. Still, this seemed like a rather unfitting end to a ship that had traveresed the universe on several occasions, defeated several Borg ships and saved countless billions of lives :( Kind of like death by bridge
TheRhinehart86 1 month ago
Has anyone ever noticed that they used the exact same same explosion from Star Trek VI when they Bird of Prey is destroyed. It's surprising they would be that cheap for a movie.
hiddenflame33 1 month ago
@hiddenflame33 Big movies do that a lot for scenes that require big explosions, particularly pre-CGI movies, even these days, Michael Bay used an explosion from one of his older movies and put it in the latest Transformers film. The ship models they used for Star Trek cost tens of thousands of dollars and I guess they figured they could spend that money on something more important than a two second clip of a ship exploding when they already had one :P.
TheRhinehart86 1 month ago
@hiddenflame33 yes..... actually i think using that exact same explosion from Star Trek VI has become one of the most memorable things about this movie to trekkies
elcap22 1 month ago
The Enterprise D pooped and hit the Bird Of Prey right on the face lol
aldrichnoctaviano2 1 month ago
For those complaining about others "analyzing the clip to death" - internal consistency in any fictional universe, be it Star Trek, Star Wars, or any other, is a key to suspension of disbelief. It's not that "physics" are violated, such as no-names getting flung around while Main Characters emerge unscathed - as long as that's what *usually* happens.
In the context of the ST:NG universe, this scene doesn't hold up well. *shrug*
Ansset76 1 month ago
mr data "YES"!
Rawr4war 1 month ago
Why didn't they REMODULATE THE SHIELD FREQUENCIES
StarFleetCommand3 2 months ago 10
@StarFleetCommand3 because the klingons would just look through Geordi's visor again :p
Direandy1005 2 months ago
@Direandy1005 then why not order "FIRE EVERYTHING, FIRE LOADS OF PHASERS AND TORPEDOES, KEEP FIRING NON STOP"?
Instead they technobabble about deflector plasma coils
elcap22 1 month ago
@elcap22 because that wouldn't make for a good fight scene - it'd be over too quickly :p
Direandy1005 1 month ago
@Direandy1005 hmmm.... maybe lol
elcap22 1 month ago
@Direandy1005
yeah but they did not know that and what's normaly the first thing they say when attacked: remodulate shields! plothole this big you can't excuse ;)
PseudonymPlayer 1 week ago
@StarFleetCommand3 Nerd attack, but according to the star trek technical manual, shield frequencies are based on the generator itself. They can't just remodulate them as that is the frequency the shields expel their energy when active. Yeah....I wondered this for a long time.
KroipyBill 1 month ago
@KroipyBill Manuals are not always canon.
StarFleetCommand3 4 weeks ago
@StarFleetCommand3 and just continue firing al phaser banks and max torpedo spread. but the true reason why this is so because paramount pictures wanted an new ship for first contact and not a 90's ship
sanderrodijk 3 weeks ago
@StarFleetCommand3 Same reason why the Klingons just didn't move out of the way when the Enterprise fired that single torpedo.
RavenHawkes 3 weeks ago
LOL "FIRE" BOOM epic
Phox345 2 months ago 4
it always happens.. geeks analyze the clip to death ... how's this for anal ysis
how can you have federation minions being thrown around the bridge but have key officers untouched? concussive effects of any blast will affect the entire bridge and not just some small portion of it.. especially if the blast is originating from something as big as a torpedo
duh - epic fail
shtstirrer 2 months ago
@bigmc84 - Bad angle, I think. Check out the damage at 2:14.
JMcH 3 months ago
The saddest part of this scene was not the Big E being owned by a rattletrap BoP. The saddest part was the death of B'Etor - now that was one hot Klingon b'tch! :D
TheFremenBlue 3 months ago
i dont know whats more hilarious, the females reaction right before death, or the enterprise getting smacked around by a bop.
lendial 3 months ago
Thats what you get when you ride a old klingon beater ship =P
Phox345 3 months ago
Star trek writers know nothing of tactics or strategies.
They only write stuff to fit their plots regardless of the logic or past experiences of the audience
Stubbee 3 months ago
@Stubbee - Yeah, that's called "Hollywood."
JMcH 3 months ago
I find this scene ironic. The Enterprise-D can take a pounding from 4 24th century Birds-of-Prey, from freaking BORG SHIPS, and survive all of that! Yet a simple 23rd century BOP model can overload her warp core?
It's also sad that she looked inferior even to an Excelsior-class vessel in this scene.
SFisher1993 3 months ago
@SFisher1993
warning, plot hole off the starboard bow! Remodulate logic frequencies! Arm retcon torpedoes!
HelmutVillam 3 months ago
@SFisher1993 good point, LOL!
shaithis80 3 months ago
Rotate shield frequencies and return fire!
God damn it, Riker!
MilesRdz01 4 months ago 2
@MilesRdz01 You know...I always wondered why they didn't simply remodulate and blast that bird of prey to hell. Or why they didn't simply eject the core. I don't remember Geordi saying the ejectiong system was disabled...Leave it to screen writters to fuck up common sense.
hammerman6842 3 months ago
@hammerman6842 shall we go back to discussing Star Trek III how two torpedos couldn't destroy a bird of prey while all it took was one from the Enterprise D. Yes I agree, the writers literally have fucked things over. Not only did they make Admiral Kirk out to be a complete dumbass, but they also did likewise with the TNG crew. Do I detect the similarity that both resulted in ships being lost. Kirk self destructed his and Geordi couldn't eject the f'n core. Weak and sad :(
shaithis80 3 months ago
I love they way they do the photon torpedos in slow motion.
elswo 4 months ago
reverse explosion fail at 2:57... ;o
cornellm 4 months ago
Lursa should have ordered "Intensify the forward firepower!"
JustPhilNY 4 months ago
@JustPhilNY Didn't work for the Empire, did it? :)
StormsongK 4 months ago
"Mr Worf prepare a spread of photon torpedoes!"
Or just the 1, which ever you prefer.....
RotarFlow 5 months ago
@RotarFlow ha your the first ever i know who found this out
sanderrodijk 4 months ago
@RotarFlow - lol!
JMcH 3 months ago
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RotarFlow 5 months ago
How cheap can you be to reuse a special effect? Especially one that was the finale of the last f*ckin' movie?! For Christ's sake, we're not watching this stinker for the plot. Just spend the extra $60 and blow up another Klingon ship.
R8erNation636 5 months ago
The whole point of this scene was just to off the Enterprise D so Berman and Braga could introduce a "cooler looking" ship.
CaptHawkeye 5 months ago
@CaptHawkeye Yeah, but the Enterprise E is awesome is in its own right. Besides the scene of the Enterprise E flying past the Defiant during the Borg cube battle in First Contact would never be as awesome if it was the Enterprise D flying past the Defiant.
Gorgabash 2 months ago
As a former bridge officer, I raised some concerns with my union that the stations at the back of the bridge were likely to explode at the drop of a hat. Of course I was laughed out of the briefing room after Captain Picard pointed out that the chief engineer (Jorge Lopez I think was his name) was a fully qualified technician and personally certified each station as "safe to use".
As you can see, Bob there caught the full force of this "safe" console and I got his knee in the back of my neck!
nastyashman 5 months ago
As a former bridge officer, I raised some concerns with my union that the stations at the back of the bridge were likely to explode at the drop of a hat. Of course I was laughed out of the briefing room after Captain Picard pointed out that the chief engineer (Jorge Lopez I think was his name) was a fully qualified technician and personally certified each station as "safe to use".
As you can see, Bob there caught the full force of this "safe" console and I got his knee in the back of my neck!
nastyashman 5 months ago
I love how quickly Riker locks onto the idea that if this Bird of Prey were fully functional, it would part of the regular fleet. Brilliant tactical mind!
cjwright79 5 months ago
wow most of you ppl commenting take this shit way too seriously..
it's a fucking fantasy television show.. not reality..
calm down, pull the stick out of your ass and just enjoy it like the rest of us! :D
KamiEneru 5 months ago
2:26 i believe i can fly
hugamumfterwoof 5 months ago
Something like this would of made more sense;
- The Klingon ship targets the Enterprises weapons array before firing
- Riker transfers all shield power to the remaining weapon systems
- The Klingon ship is destroyed in a matter of seconds
- Before it's destruction, a few Klingons beam over
- Hand to hand combat begins in sections all over the ship (bridge, engineering)
- One Klingon in engineering is shot and fires his weapon at the warp core
- Core breach, ship crashes as normal
CynicalVision 5 months ago
@CynicalVision Even more sensible would be for the Klingon ship to have targeted the warp core with her first shot, thus dooming the Enterprise before she could remodulate her shields.
I suspect that the Klingons were able to spy on the Enterprise continuously and thus adapt to the changing shield frequencies.
tnphysics 3 months ago
@tnphysics - The BoP's weapons probably weren't powerful enough to damage the Enterprise that quickly. They fired two photon torpedoes to begin with and only damaged the hull. It's like an old pistol against modern Kevlar body armor. Plus the Klingons missed a lot...
JMcH 3 months ago
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CynicalVision 5 months ago
Something like this would of made more sense;
- The Klingon ship targets the Enterprises weapons array before firing
- Riker transfers all shield power to the remaining weapon systems
- The Klingon ship is destroyed in a matter of seconds
- Before it's destruction, a few Klingon ships beam over
- Hand to hand combat begins in sections all over the ship (bridge, engineering)
- One Klingon in engineering is shot and fires his weapon at the warp core
- Core breach, ship crashes as normal
CynicalVision 5 months ago
Lazy writing, generations is probably the most poorly written ST movie. Even without the shields they could of easily beaten that old Bird Of Prey. Whatever happened to just transferring shields energy to weapons?
Even a few extra seconds of dialogue would of helped, like the Klingon weapons officer saying something like "We've targeted their weapons" before firing.
It's just so obvious the writers wanted to get rid of the Enterprise D in the fastest (and cheapest way) possible.
CynicalVision 5 months ago
@CynicalVision - Generations the most poorly written movie? Have you not seen "Star Trek: the Motion Picture" or "Star Trek V?"
JMcH 3 months ago
@JMcH The Motion Picture was a better movie than Generations. At the very least, it didn't reek of a cash-in the way Generations does. Agree with you on Star Trek V, though.
92chillwill 3 months ago
ROTATE SHIELD FREQUENCY!!!
antihero276 5 months ago
ROTATE SHIELD FREQUENCY!!!
antihero276 5 months ago
Worst plot gun EVAR!
misterRDF 5 months ago
Lesson learned, don't mess with ships called the Enterprise lol
mattcrash69 5 months ago
so we also see here that troi is not that great a driver, when the enterprise fires she is turning into the planet. and yes they should rotate the shields. but the worst thing was to use the same footage from undicovered country of the bird of prey exploding.
elsewho 5 months ago
3:02- Nice re-use of the BOP exploding in The Undiscovered Country, Berman/Braga...
SFisher1993 6 months ago
Why not change frequencies?
Or, to quote Nero "FIRE EVERYTHING!"?
That seems like a dumb way to kill the flagship of the Federation
S1deshowRobP5 6 months ago
This has to be the stupidest thing ever put in any Star Trek film. Nothing makes the slightest sense even from a narrative perspective. -But let's not even get into that. Let's just start with the idea that forcing one's enemy to turn invisible mid-battle somehow makes them easier to hit...
Williamsfan 6 months ago
This is what happens when your ship is powered with Microsoft operating systems.
Purplecatsoup30 6 months ago
WHY THE HELL DO THEY TURN THE ENTERPRISE AROUND AND TALK?? GOD, JUST SHOOT THE DAMN THING
TheHorribleSmell 6 months ago
worf: they found a way to penetrate our shields
riker: what can we do
worf: prepare for ramming speed
WhiteTiger1607 6 months ago 2
Ya know, the Klingon ship could have rotated slightly to the left and would have avoided destruction. The sisters just look at the torpedo and go duuuuhh.
YesWeCantaloupe 7 months ago
guess the computer consoles are partly made out of C4 and sticks of dynamite? lol
GozersApprentice 7 months ago
first torpedo hit the deflector dish
supermanfan62 7 months ago
Only one shot from enterprise torpedo to destroy the klingon ship?
montgomery1971 7 months ago
Worf: Remodulating the shields commander.
Riker: No time Worf. What's the hardest stupidest way to fight back?
Work: Plasma coils.
Riker: Negative. Mr. Data, initiate self destruct immediately. Diana, take the helm, crash this bitch on the planet. That's an order!
MexicanTuber 7 months ago 2
Data could not have been more excited when he reported the hull breaches.
MexicanTuber 7 months ago
that cabinet geordi is always looking thru has blown up 12 times throught out the series.. yet no core breach... guess the cabinet couldnt take anymore
bjornjoseph 7 months ago
i must say the "looking thru a periscope" thing was kinda gangsta for them klingons
bjornjoseph 7 months ago
@bjornjoseph - the klingons represent "black folks", everything about them is 'gangsta'....in addition to periscopes, all klingon ships are equipped with bumpin sound systems....lol
jock1130 4 months ago
I must have been around 11 years old when I watched this movie, I was totally awed by the battle sequence and the crash landing. I only noticed the flaws as I got older and having watched a lot of reruns of TNG. Heck at one point there was an episode where a few shots from the Enterprise-D phaser took out two more advanced kligon birds of prey like they were nothing. I still like the movie just because the nostalgia I suppose and Data's funny reactions.
KnightSparhawk 7 months ago
DO NOT FUCK WITH THE ENTERPRISE!
xCyberdog 7 months ago
2.08 Mister Worf, prepare a spread of photon torpedoes.
2.45 I said SPREAD of photons you crabface!
HerbieZ 7 months ago 2
plasma coils
PLASmuh coils
PLASMA COIL
PLAS ma coil
PastramiXXX 7 months ago
"Seeing that photon torpedo trailing after them must've been like seeing death coming after you nonstop!"
MrWINNSLAW 7 months ago
See this is why Kirk never trusted Klingons, no matter what you do they always want to come around starting trouble until someone blows their asses up. Didn't they see Star Trek 3 and 6 it didn't work for them than and it sure didn't work now. Plus in number 3 they got ship jacked and Kirk used the ship to go back in time and save earth
rachaeleigh 7 months ago
When I watch this part, I can hear my girlfriend filled with anger that the enterprise is taking severe fire but as a Star Trek Generations fan, she extremely loved how 1 torpedo hit blew the Klingon Bird Of Prey to pieces. To my girl, she said that Kirk and his ship was an insult and a pussy to the space saga but Picard was the man and knew how to get the job done all in one setting. In her words, "It took less than a minute to wipe them out unlike Kirk taking forever to even make a dent."
TonyShow82 8 months ago
Obviously, old Bird of Prey weaponry isn't very powerful compared to the Enterprise-D.
JMcH 8 months ago
Plasma coil, plasma coil; plasma coil plasma coil plasma coil. Plasma coil? Plasma coil, plasma coil! No problem!
fpsBeaTt 8 months ago
Since when do torpedos have a 'frequency', why does the Klingon ship keep missing, and how come this battle is exactly the same as the one in the previous film?
lucasisking 8 months ago
@lucasisking - I don't know if it's ever been made official, but it's said that torpedoes have shielding like starships, only weaker. If the frequencies match, the torpedo can get through.
The Klingon ship keeps missing because the Enterprise is evading, the weapons systems on the Bird of Prey are old and they have Klingon females shooting. (Just kidding.)
The battle uses recycled footage because the filmmakers were lazy. Apparently they didn't want to build a model around to blow up.
JMcH 8 months ago
@JMcH The Klingon ship may be 'old' in the 24th Century, but even 21st century weapons are more accurate than that. The Klingons should be able to lock onto the enterprise. Better than that, they should be able to lock onto vital systemns: eg THE BRIDGE or the warp core. These Klingons are supposed to be warriors right? They are the worst tacticians EVER (well along with the Borg) :)
lucasisking 8 months ago
@JMcH Star Trek always did use recycled footage. Like in Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan, they use the same shots for the enterprise launch scene, and in number 4, we see a rerun of the destruction sequence of the enterprise and in parts 5, and 6 we see the same shot of the enterprise in spacedock like when it was hiding behind the excelsior.
TonyShow82 8 months ago
@TonyShow82 - True, but the film quality difference in footage between original cast movies wasn't as great as it is between those and this movie. The sudden difference in quality is pretty striking.
JMcH 8 months ago
@JMcH Finally when you watch the trailer for Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered country, you'll see a glimpse of Star Trek 3: The Search For Spock where the Klingons shot the engine of the enterprise in which we never saw in part 6 and yes, we see the Star Trek 6 bird of prey's death here in Generations.
TonyShow82 8 months ago
Check out the three dorky extras just before Data says "Yes!" The guy in the middle does some weird arm thing and the guy on the left has a goofy smile on his face.
JMcH 8 months ago
amazing the klingons can read human numerical!
Galen82 8 months ago
@Galen82 - It's fiction, so don't think about it too hard. ;) Seriously, though, in the fictional setting, Klingons were deadly rivals of humans and the Federation for a long time, so learning English in order to understand captured information was likely common. The same thing happens here in the real world when countries are at war.
JMcH 8 months ago
...and that was the end of the duras sisters :)
katyponyforever 9 months ago
@katyponyforever - Finally! A satisfying end, too.
JMcH 8 months ago
LOL when she said "Fire at Will." She really was firing at Will!
Galen82 9 months ago
The discontinuity that I noticed was that Riker ordered Worf to prepare "a spread of photon torpedos" to be fired after they cloaked. But when it actually happened, Worf only fired one.
WTF, Worf? Come on.
cswurt 9 months ago
@cswurt - Plus Riker said they'd have 2 seconds in which to hit the Klingon ship. Once the cloak engaged and the shields went down, it took a lot longer than 2 seconds.
JMcH 8 months ago
When the klingon commander says "fire at will" she means riker right??? ;)
muf321 9 months ago
Due to the secondary command functions are standardly located in the same area the first torpedo volley hit the Enterprise, in the Canon Novel for Generations, it was specified it hit the DSACS (Deflector Shield Array Command System) or rather the grid for linking the power to activate the control, Shields remained up but the modulation was frozen so that the shields could not also be lowered or raised, otherwise, shield power would of been diverted to weapons.
Spectual1 9 months ago
Did they not say two seconds of vulnerability? So they actually meant ten? Wtf continuity... do your fucking job.
cjwright79 9 months ago
@cjwright79 I think it was just for effect -- y'know that slow-motion "Oh shit" feeling you get when you're about to be in a big accident. That's what the Duras sisters were experiencing. Photon Torpedos actually travel at near-light speed. Their shields weren't down while they were cloaking, only after they'd completely cloaked (since the cloaking device is technically a shield, it takes over the ship's deflector shield grid). Siphons power from the shields to the cloak, so it's not instant
cswurt 9 months ago
If we leave aside the fact the franchise wanted to design a new ship and therefore found any way to destroy this incarnation.....
Many people comment about how fragile Galaxy class vessels always seem however bear in mind that in this the shields were totally ineffective. The ship was therefore taking repeated hits to the critial engineering areas. The first hit clearly did damage to the f'ward torpedo capability and the deflector. Similar to how the Odyssey took a beating in DS9.
MrSatireTube 9 months ago
Riker: FIRE!
When Riker says "Fire," the enemy is screwed!
jedikenneth 9 months ago
Worf: "They've found a way to penetrate our shields!"
Riker: "Fire all weapons!"
There, done. I doubt that ship would have held up long to a full barrage of phasers and torpedoes. But instead Riker has them return fire with one phaser, once. Then he orders a retreat, presenting their flank and aft sections to the attacking vessel. Smrt.
HawkGTboy 9 months ago
So are the Enterprise walls made out of explosives?
erichoover2006 9 months ago 15
@erichoover2006 no but starfleet ships use plasma based power distribution so theres conduits in the walls that carry plasma even with shields up at 100% under normal circumstances some of the energy from weapons fire makes it through the shields thats why the ships suffer damage in battle. now with the shields useless all the energy from weapons fire is hitting the ship causing power surges tht blow out power conduits thts why u see walls exploding
armymatt83 9 months ago
@erichoover2006 - EPS conduits are apparently explosive.
JMcH 8 months ago
@erichoover2006 Don't you know... the walls and hull of every Federation ship must contain a certain amount of explosives löl
TheRealityJack 7 months ago
@erichoover2006 yes and captins like to put dynomite in the consoles and thats y captins don't have consoles
comet1701 6 months ago
Worf: They have found a way to penetrate our shields!
Riker: Well no shit, Sherlock! Really?
F14ace 10 months ago 2
In the words of Worf, ''They have found a way to penetrate our shields'', so they just presumed the Klingons had a way to get throught all shields, not just theirs, they didnt have time to debate or mess about, the systems were blowing up so Riker just ordered Deanna to break orbit and retreat but they took too much damage.
JapDaZomby 10 months ago
At the end when Data was like "YES!"
Epic win.
As a matter of fact, from when the Klingon ship messed the enterprise up until when the sauser part crash on Veridaan 3 or whatever that planet was...
Best. Star Trek action.... EVER!
I just wish Troi kept her season 7 hair though, it looked better in 2370
dekablueranger 10 months ago
Plus, in "Yesterday's Enterprise" it was established that the Enterprise-D could destroy a BOP with continual phaser fire... and THAT was a much newer BOP than the one here. (True it was in an alternate reality... but still)
terrywest111 10 months ago
The one thing that always bugged me about this battle is how the Enterprise just didn't blow the crap out of that old BOP. Like they didn't think about unleashing the Enterprise's full offensive capability. She didn't even use all of her phaser arrays... there's even a shot with the BOP sort of trailing behind one of the D's nacelle pylons which we all know has a phaser array... there are phasers all over the ship!
terrywest111 10 months ago
The Klingons got what they deserved, I hate how the Enterprise-D got destroyed.... But hey, make way for the Enterprise-E I guess! =D
willmott2k10 11 months ago
thanks for the upload i hate what happens next though
abjeft 11 months ago
2:44 the best part of this clip
ryanfan2008 11 months ago 2
This will always be one of my favorites action-movie scene.
Thanks for the good quality.
fernandezricaurte 11 months ago
throughout every startrek battle when they get hit by torpedos they always say.. "remodulte shield frequency"... um why didnt they remodulate shield freqency now?
bjornjoseph 1 year ago 4
@bjornjoseph because surely they'd just look through Geordi's visor again to see the new frequency? Their only option was to fight back :p
Direandy1005 11 months ago
@Direandy1005 It's true that they'd just look through Geordi's visor again but surely the Enterprise crew were unaware of this so would've tried remodulating anyway? Just a thought..... Personally if all else fails I would've just taken the shield power and put it somewhere else like weapons or the engines to get out of there faster but this is probably over-thinking things....
willmott2k10 11 months ago
@Direandy1005 No. Because that would be too big of a convenient solution for this over-sized plot hole.
insaneapples 10 months ago 12
@insaneapples Very true :D and plus it would make the fight scene so much more boring :p
Direandy1005 10 months ago
@Direandy1005 It would make it infinitely less infuriating.
fpsBeaTt 7 months ago
@Direandy1005 The movie was inherently boring and full of holes. This was all they could do to make it interesting: make the ship that we've known and loved for 7 years get blown up by an out of date POS Klingon cruiser and a spycam on Geordi's glasses.
Seriously, that androgynous bitch Shelby knew how to remodulate the Enterprise shield frequency at the end of the third season! Did everyone just forget after that? Also what happened to ejecting the warp core? And Troi flying the ship? Please.
viperhalberd 4 months ago
@viperhalberd Nope..very good point and sure didn't forget that. Remodulating the Enterprise shields is what allowed them to fight the Borg tractor beam. I thought this was a very weak way to destroy a beautiful, classic ship to upgrade to something new.
brivanas 4 months ago
@brivanas yes thats true, paramount didnt want 90's for first contact....
sanderrodijk 4 months ago
@viperhalberd - Troi trained to become a commander during the series. Her final test was ordering someone to their death in a holodeck scenario. I would imagine that her training included basic starship control.
JMcH 3 months ago
@JMcH since the whole point of her training was to be able to take night watch id assume it was since in the outside chance something happened she might need to take the helm
AnvilMAn603 2 months ago
@insaneapples Why do you consider this a plot hole? Lursa and B'etor have wanted to destroy the Enterprise and punish Picard for what happened in Redemption Part I/II for some time by the point Generations came out.
Sunburn2007 8 months ago
@Sunburn2007 We were talking about the whole visor thing. They learned the shield frequency but the shields were never "remodulated", which has been a common thing on Star Trek. So I called that a convenient plot hole.
insaneapples 8 months ago
@insaneapples Eh I don't know if I agree with that; shield modulation was a fairly new operating procedure for Starfleet by the Stardate of Generations; and even then, it was only used when facing the Borg, because they could adapt and overcome defenses. By the time DS9 got going, you saw shield modulation happening more frequently. But again, none of the bridge staff knew how the Bird of Prey managed to overcome its shields and there was no time to guess.
Sunburn2007 8 months ago
@Direandy1005 , That is true the Klingons could just look thru Geordi's Visor again.....The Enterprise didn't know how ( or ever find out ) the Klingons were able to get thru their shields. They didn't know Geordi's visor had been tampered with.
Astraldragon1 9 months ago
@Astraldragon1 And according to the "Generations" novelization, that's exactly what they did. Every time a change was made, they were able to see it and change their torpedoes accordingly.
Paramount should have learned their lesson from what happened to the first "Star Trek" movie; rushing a film as big as that never ends well. Then again, Paramount just doesn't seem to get it very often where "Star Trek's' concerned. I just hope they don't run the reboot version into the ground as well...
cubdukat 6 months ago
@cubdukat - Perhaps it was in the script and possibly the filming, but they edited it out.
JMcH 3 months ago
@JMcH They did indeed. They implanted a bug in Geordi's VISOR. That was what Soran was doing with the VISOR when they asked him if he got anything out of him.
cubdukat 3 months ago
which in itself is a plot flaw! The Enterprise a far more powerful vessel had plenty of options.
1) Re modulate shields - shown in many episodes in fights with the Borg that this is a very quick process.
2)Go to warp and come back in a position of advantage.
3)The simplest and the flaw itself - FIGHT BACK!
She still had Phaser and Torpedo capability even with its shields up that D12 Bird of Prey would of been beaten down quickly! All Riker had to say was "Fire everything we have Mr Worf!"
Fedaykin24 7 months ago
@Fedaykin24 only theres 2 possible problems with option number 2. One is that if they leave the planet, the Klingons would probably beam down and kill the Captain. Either that or their Warp Drive was damaged
bennie128 6 months ago
@bjornjoseph Simple, really: They had no idea how the Klingon's penetrated their shields and didn't have time to make guesses that may not have worked.
Sunburn2007 8 months ago
@bjornjoseph cause generations sucks. i can't believe the ent-d went out to a 80 year old bird of prey.
philyburkhill1 7 months ago
@philyburkhill1 , Generations is Great....it doesn't matter if the Bird of Prey is 80 yrs old or 1000yrs old. no matter what you used to fight your weapons will damage them if they can get past the defence of the Enterprise. Enterprise make be more advanced but they still take damage and be destoryed even against a older bird of prey.
Astraldragon1 7 months ago
@Astraldragon1 generations is terrible, not even looking at anything other than this battle. not only could a galaxy class open up a volley of phasers and torpedoes that would pulverise and destroy a 80 year old bird of prey but if shields are penetrated then the first thing they do in the series is rotate the shield frequency every 5 or 10 seconds. they wouldn't aimlessly float around, continuing to get hit by the bird of prey while talking about plasma coils.
philyburkhill1 7 months ago
@bjornjoseph because it's Ryker, who would rather blow hostile Klingons to hell than "re modulate the shields"...that's what Picard would do.
WhiteShark125 5 months ago
DATA LOCK ON THE PLASMA COIL. "NOOOOOOOO PROBLEM :D:D:D"
ian9167 1 year ago 16
@ian9167 Lmao. Ikr?
WeAreBorg359 1 year ago