@KingOfMadCows I misread your comment, I thought you were saying that these were the prequels to SW ep 1, 2, and 3 and Palpatine was right before that. So never mind.
This game is fucking awesome! I may even go as far to say it is better then KOTOR 1. Granted I played both of them and had the restored content mod for KOTOR 2.
possibly one of the most interesting games ever made. the story was truly compelling and i would kill for something like this again. Sure it was incomplete, but you can blame lucasarts for that. this game would have been game of the year if not for lucasarts
Nah. Scifi don't get any Oscars. Everyone knows the only movies that get oscars are the ones about racism, mental illness, cancer or World War 2.
Even then, if it's a SciFi, you might as well forget about it, unless you recycle the scripts of a dozen older movies, including every single movie cliche in existence, mix in the left wing propaganda, and air it in 3D.
literally after i saw this scene i was seriously thought 'When i meet those guys, i am going to sucker punch them into a coma. She's an old woman man!"
Well you know what happens when you pull the plug of a bottle that's been turned upside down. The water will be gone from it in a few seconds. If we compare the Universe to that water, then Nihilus is what happens when you pull that plug. Or just think of a black hole. Not a scientifically accurate comparison, but it's close, and the effects are similar.
@sparda357 Well, indeed Darth Bane is somewhat powerful and he may have IMPOSED the rule of two,but it was actually Darth Revan's holocron that,let's say,inspired him to do so.So you can actually say that Revan created it and Bane imposed it :P
this game left me on a massive cliffhanger. I want to know what happens to the exile and revan in kotor III, not some stupid star wars version of wow. I hate mmo's, their time wasting and money grabbers!! I think obsidian entertainment done a smashing job with this game and stayed loyal to the first one. Bioware has justt made one of their biggest mistakes ever!!
Sion had strong emotion for her. On one hand he always longed to be approved and appreciated as a pupil by Kreia, On the other hand he always knew Kreia never and would never treat him as he expected. In return Sion wished to show that he surpassed Kreia in power and did not need her.
@richrocks95 No. Kreia lost her power as the exile did. So Sion and Nihilus could defeat her. But at the end of the game,she retakes her full powers and she retakes her dark throne by defeating Sion on Malachor V. Nihilus has been defeated by the Exile so he is not the best sith lord that the galaxy has ever seen.. but is Kreia/Traya.
Nihilus was a very powerful Sith Lord.. perhaps with the greatest ammount of raw power.. Alas, his reasoning made him nothing more than a monster.. he didn't want to rule the galaxy or anything.. he just wanted wanton destruction to sate his appetite. He would obliterate the Exile wasn't it for the fact the Exile was an anti-Nihilus.. she was a void in the Force.. and thus, when he tried to feed on her.. he accidently owned himself - weakening himself greatly and ultimately getting killed.
Kyle Katarn used them as meatshields as he walked up to Katarn Punch Darth Revan in the face, causing a massive Genesis effect that created the Valley of the Jedi.
hahahaha! in the movie kreia doesnt have her hand and yet she loses it years later...... sorry about the spoiler to anyone who doesnt know yet (yet you should know if youve ever played this game for at most two hours)
Krea in my opinion one of the(if not the best)character in KOTOR2 and Sith Lord.She can always talk about very interesting things,have hew own position of world not just stupid -light or dark-but something else.And she teach how you REALLY must deal with your problems.Don't be quick to solve them,if you can use them against oponent and when he can do nothing to you throw him away.Very charismatic person.
o.O this is the most FUCKING RETARDED GAME OF ALL TIMES !!! i can't believe it how the programmers can be SO demented.. it's unimaginable.. so i was playing at the difficult setting trying to race on Onderon.. and when i reached the last stage i had to beat a time of 43:04.. well i didn't succeed from the first try and sometimes i pressed esc + f to cancel the race. but later on i got times of 42:56 and 41:xx. it didn't even matter !!!
because ever since i pressed esc f to cancel the race, each time i was finishing the track either with good or bad times, the game acted like i was forfeiting even if i completed the fucking race !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O i tried reloading the save, changing maps, restarting the game, NOTHING WORKED !!!... it's.... mind boggling... the most fucking retarded game i seen...
No, that isn't it KOTOR3, it's essentialy a spin-off, a bigger spin-off at that, don't think of me as bashing it, it looks good, but I refuse to call it KOTOR3.
Kreia was a very interesting, complex and well written character. And while she goes completely psycho by the end of the game. I liked her more thoughout " balanced" view or the Jedi religion. She'd be an awfully cold teacher , but good or bad you'd learn how to get **** done.
Here's my beef with this cutscene, if the exile had the awareness (And if the game actually let your character catch blatant hints) She/He could have figured out she was sith by how kreia told her story. Im not directly judging the story but there isnt really an excuse for ignoring such obviousness.
I thought the second one was better, personally. Maybe it's because I played it first. I thought the characters were deeper and the story had a darker, more interesting plotline.
I...don't follow. The only thing I can see that their stories had in common, other than you have to collect four different objects on four different planets. But it's not like it hadn't been done BEFORE Kotor 1 anyway. Also, you're fighting Sith, but what the fuck did you expect? Of fucking COURSE you're going to be fighting Sith.
I kind of regret replying here, since I know you're probably not going to make any actual arguments except to talk about how KotOR II raped your dog.
I'm not saying you're wrong, necessarily - I'm saying that you aren't making any arguments. If you don't have anything to say other than that you think the game was bad, why exactly are you replying at all?
In fact, I'll do you one better and preemptively list MY problems with the game.
Virtually all KotOR II's problems are the fault of the publisher, not the developer. This game was rushed out the door, and it shows. The ending is non-existent, many plot points were dropped due to time. The only planet that feels absolutely, 100% complete is Onderon (unsurprising, since it was the first planet they worked on). There are significant pacing problems (particularly in the beginning).
There are lots of bugs - I got a few CTDs for no apparent reason. I also would have liked to see the villains fleshed out at least a bit more. In short, the game quite simply lacks polish. LucasArts made Obsidian release a game that required a two-year development cycle in just one year.
The first KotOR shows just how valuable a fully developed game can be. The plot of KotOR 1 is surprisingly average - even stock - when you think about it. Like many RPGs, one central object of the game is essentially to collect four plot coupons. There's nothing too revolutionary about it (though the Revan revelation is surprising when you learn about it, it's hardly unique among games).
And to be honest, as intimidating as Malak is (and as much as I thought he succeeded as a solid antagonist), his methods and characterization plant him firmly in the "cartoon supervillain" camp. I challenge anyone to play through KotOR and check off every single time Malak breaks one of the rules on the Evil Overlord List.
("If my weakest troops fail, I will send out my best troops instead of wasting time with progressively stronger ones as he gets closer and closer to my fortress." Check).
What makes KotOR good, however, is how it takes this plot and inserts good characters who are tied to the story in such a way as to give the story more weight. Also, each planet has just enough quests, and these quests are fully-developed enough, to get you to care about them, but not so many that you'll get tired of doing them before the planet is finished.
I liked the characters in KotOR II, but they were conspicuously absent from the ending (again, they were cut due to time). And Onderon is the only planet that seems completely finished, in which the quests fit together in a way that's well-paced
Now, onto the stuff I liked. What I primarily liked about this game was its philosophical depth. It wasn't as straightforwardly dualistic as the first game was (not to say that KotOR I is ethically immature - this isn't Saturday morning, G.I. Joe vs. Cobra dualism I'm talking about). Nor did it adhere to the cynical relativism that some games do.
Rather, it posited that perhaps we should consider the greater consequences of small acts of kindness or cruelty. In offering aid to someone, might we be hurting them in the long run?
I don't really think the way that Kreia does, but I do think the writers made an effort to genuinely and seriously present her arguments in a way that makes sense and doesn't just sound like cynical contrarianism.
I also liked how it elaborated on some alternate viewpoints on the Jedi and the wars that took place earlier. The Jedi can be seen as sanctimonious assholes who sat on their asses while the galaxy was destroyed, who are not at all blameless for their destruction in the purge that followed the civil war.
I liked a lot of the writing in this game - unfortunately, no writer is good if they aren't allowed to finish the story they're working on. The story suffers for being half-finished.
As far as gameplay goes, it's exactly the same (with just a few tweaks here and there), so I have no complaints there.
Overall, I think KotOR II is a good game, but a deeply flawed one. I can understand very easily why you hate it so much. I don't agree, but I understand. Especially if you don't like "talky" games with lots of philosophical mumbo-jumbo in them.
It's really a shame that the Sith Lords Restoration Project mod is probably going to turn out to be vaporware. I was looking forward to installing it, but I'm starting to give up hope that Team Gizka will ever finish it.
i agree with you 100%, but I haven't played that game since its release so i didn't have a good enough memory to list one by one each individual problem with the game.
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look like i said, i can't remember enough about the game to put out a good argument. but what i do remember (and wish i could forget), was that the game blowed. If i could go back in time and erase this game's story from star wars history i would. I will make it plain and simple, the plot sucked, the characters were practically replicas of the characters from the first game, and the story was the same. I was expecting the story to be different and have its own interesting plot twist.
Well, we seem to have a serious divergence of opinion here. I believe the game to be very deeply flawed, but I don't think it sucks, and don't think the characters were as similar to those of the previous game as you remember them being. Certainly the tone is a lot different (serious ALL THE TIME - a sense of humor wouldn't have killed them).
From what I gather, you feel the same way about this game that I feel about the movie "Ocean's Twelve."
I certainly hope you don't harbor any ill will toward the developers, though, because there are some fucking geniuses working at Obsidian - including the people who wrote Fallout and Planescape Torment.
I think Black Isle Studios (the company that Obsidian rose from the ashes of) made a couple games that were better than anything Bioware could ever dream of making - and that's saying something, believe me.
tell us how was this game not good? i belive it was still a great game and should not be criticized because it was made by different people and was incompleat. besides let the people try it themselves and let them deside.
I was a star wars fan my whole life, but kotor was what dragged me into it even more. Bioware are pure geniuses at creativity on how they were able to create such a successful new story in the star wars universe. imo it beats the six movies by far.
Kreia is a bitch >.>;; And even though this game isn't NEARLY as good as KotOR 1 (storyline-wise) the graphics and awesome force powers make up for it and besides that...it still really is a great game
But I miss SOOOO much, its not much improvements with the lightsaber, anything I can do? Im really a beginner of this game, I really love Star Wars so I wanted to try this game as I heard alot of nice things about it!
On Dantooine, Bao-Dur tells you a list of parts needed to build a new one. Crystals you may find in a cave or buy, parts are obtained from one of the ruin robbers (you have to save him first in the Jedi Enclave). The last you get either if you defeat Visas on Ebon Hawk or defeating Azgul (if you defeat Visas first and construct your saber, then after killing Azgul tou get a short lightsaber, the same with Visas after defeating Azgul).
FIRST she is not called darth kreia she is called darth traya SECOND darth sion was beating her up because i think that at this scene they discovered her plan to try and destroy the force itself
No, I guess she didn't saw the Force as she will do later. By that time, the reason why Sion and Nihilus attacked her is explained in the video: "There were disagreements, ambition. And hunger for power."
I wasnt a huge fan of Kreia from the start so im glad you get the chance to kill her at the end
LunairEclipse 2 weeks ago
Darth Nihilus is awesome except he destroys the planet Visas is from which jedi master Vandarr, Dorak and Zhar were on at the time :(
ChipAssassin1 1 month ago
Darth Nihilus destroys planets and enslaves veiled mistresses while breakin moves and bones with da funky force beat. like a BOSS.
CTRLJP 1 month ago
1:21 :o damnnnnn
animelover3400 3 months ago
I wish Obsidian could have written the prequel trilogy and made Palpatine the protagonist.
KingOfMadCows 4 months ago
@KingOfMadCows A few thousand years apart, chief.
themanclaw2 4 months ago
@themanclaw2 So what?
KingOfMadCows 4 months ago
@KingOfMadCows I misread your comment, I thought you were saying that these were the prequels to SW ep 1, 2, and 3 and Palpatine was right before that. So never mind.
themanclaw2 4 months ago
Traya. THE BEST SITH EVER
MrHalomann100 6 months ago
I wanna play this now >.<
Onyxx3Bubble 6 months ago
1:17 is the song Chris Brown played when he beat up Rihanna.
But, for real though, Nihilus and these clowns are cool and all and I'm really happy for them but... DARTH REVAN IS THE BEST SITH LORD OF ALL TIME!!!
MrOmeMan 7 months ago 3
Darth Nihilus would scare the crap out of Vader
FellFather 7 months ago
This game is fucking awesome! I may even go as far to say it is better then KOTOR 1. Granted I played both of them and had the restored content mod for KOTOR 2.
spiderboy43 8 months ago
It scared the shit out of me when Sion grabbed Kreia's head and smash it onto the wall...I mean, Kreia is just an old lady
Yellacha 10 months ago
@Yellacha lol but she needed to learn her place
TalkingToyInside 9 months ago 2
@Yellacha i agree, it was really scary!
troglodyto 3 months ago
There are dark places in the galaxy....
XLatinGioX 11 months ago
Most epic cutscene of the game! The Sith lords of Pain, Hunger & Betrayal!
ironmaiden93ofangmar 11 months ago
Is that Judy Dench talking?
joecane6340 1 year ago
@joecane6340 No, it's Sarah Kestelman. :)
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SithAriRecruitment 1 year ago
possibly one of the most interesting games ever made. the story was truly compelling and i would kill for something like this again. Sure it was incomplete, but you can blame lucasarts for that. this game would have been game of the year if not for lucasarts
hyperactive10101 1 year ago
@hyperactive10101 what you mean?
MrOmeMan 7 months ago
@MrOmeMan lucasarts rushed obsidian and they didn't get to fully complete the game, so it released in an incomplete state.
hyperactive10101 7 months ago
There are mods out there you can fix the whole game and it turns out to be better than the first!
TheJedimaster6788 4 months ago in playlist Star Wars
Seriously Lucas,
Get off your ass and make a Kotor movie trilogy you know how many people would watch that shit.
Guranteed he would get an oscar for the trilogy.
MrUnclepeanuts 1 year ago 5
@MrUnclepeanuts i totally agree with you...
pivotskater95 1 year ago
@MrUnclepeanuts
Nah. Scifi don't get any Oscars. Everyone knows the only movies that get oscars are the ones about racism, mental illness, cancer or World War 2.
Even then, if it's a SciFi, you might as well forget about it, unless you recycle the scripts of a dozen older movies, including every single movie cliche in existence, mix in the left wing propaganda, and air it in 3D.
BTIsaac 1 year ago
@BTIsaac You can say that for a lot of mediums these days, but then again, was there anything new in our era that hasn't already been told long ago?
TheMattanAge 10 months ago
If Bioware won't make KOTOR 3, then Obsidian better do it...
JayDetoX 1 year ago
@JayDetoX
They won't. They're making an MMO, because those are the kind of games anyone would buy these days.
BTIsaac 1 year ago
literally after i saw this scene i was seriously thought 'When i meet those guys, i am going to sucker punch them into a coma. She's an old woman man!"
hyperactive10101 1 year ago
@hyperactive10101
An old woman who can kick your ass with both hands tied behind her back.
BTIsaac 1 year ago
i really wish they make new games of this type
like star wars the mandalorian wars
and star wars the story of exar kun or something like that
twixas8866 1 year ago
After she's down you pick her up, ELBOW HER IN THE STOMACH AND KICK HER IN THE OVARIES!!!
UrukDeathbringer 1 year ago
ah nothing like beatin up old ppl
thats the way of the sith aright
4LOMVlog10 1 year ago
Darth Nihilus is actually a Deathstar with a lightsaber
spartan8247 1 year ago 7
@spartan8247
Not really. "Darth Nihilus IS" is in itself, a paradox. You see if the universe in water in an upside down bottle, then he's the absence of the plug.
BTIsaac 1 year ago
@BTIsaac wow. that's really deep. seriously, uhm could you explain it in simpler terms. I am very much interested. :))
spartan8247 1 year ago
@spartan8247
Well you know what happens when you pull the plug of a bottle that's been turned upside down. The water will be gone from it in a few seconds. If we compare the Universe to that water, then Nihilus is what happens when you pull that plug. Or just think of a black hole. Not a scientifically accurate comparison, but it's close, and the effects are similar.
BTIsaac 1 year ago
@BTIsaac an interestling perspective. I'll keep that in mind. thanks for the info.
spartan8247 1 year ago
Nihilus is probably the second best sith to every rome the galaxy the first is the creator of the rule of two DARTH BANE
sparda357 1 year ago
@sparda357 Well, indeed Darth Bane is somewhat powerful and he may have IMPOSED the rule of two,but it was actually Darth Revan's holocron that,let's say,inspired him to do so.So you can actually say that Revan created it and Bane imposed it :P
xXHellBoundVampireXx 1 year ago
he's like BITCH WHERES MY MONEY!!!!
hellfighter496 1 year ago
KRIEA CONFIRMED FOR BEST SITH
AnonIonCannon 1 year ago
i masterbate to the image of kreia
122jimbo 1 year ago
this game left me on a massive cliffhanger. I want to know what happens to the exile and revan in kotor III, not some stupid star wars version of wow. I hate mmo's, their time wasting and money grabbers!! I think obsidian entertainment done a smashing job with this game and stayed loyal to the first one. Bioware has justt made one of their biggest mistakes ever!!
naaz08 1 year ago 9
that was disturbing
Misame5 1 year ago 2
I think this scene's dialogue is superior to that of the 3 prequels.
siwlhs93 1 year ago 3
Why don*t you have English subtitles Bloody noob ?
dubbeltid 1 year ago
Man kreias voice is so awesome
dubbeltid 1 year ago
Damn, that woman has one of the best voices I have ever heard. She is only rivaled by the likes of James Earl Jones and Christopher Lee.
CorriTimigan 1 year ago 4
gracias por el video en español si tienes mas te ruego los subas
kiraide1 1 year ago
xbox live arcade please
CerromeX 1 year ago
Darth Sion is a pimp.
batboyjhg 1 year ago
dude. best sound effects ever in a kotor game! i wish they woulda upgraded the effects of this game :(
jediguardian10 1 year ago
Sion is one ruthless "human" being. that shit looked painful , muay thai knee to the ribs :F
MXhm91 1 year ago
there never was a KOTOR 3 but there must always be a Darth Traya......
eastcoaststandup 1 year ago 59
@eastcoaststandup kotor mmo soon :-D
197Callum 1 year ago
@eastcoaststandup Your right because Darth Traya is a sith hero in the kotor era in battlefront 2.
rnrdavelive 6 months ago
I've always felt a bit bad for her every time I unlocked this cutscene
4markie 1 year ago 5
Kreia is the best PJ in KotoR.
ClanCF 2 years ago 6
the english voice of kreia is much better than the german
Brezelbacker666 2 years ago 6
Traya was a powerful Sith. But she did not have to be beat. She was an old woman, why beat an old woman?
TheYoung450 2 years ago 6
Sion had strong emotion for her. On one hand he always longed to be approved and appreciated as a pupil by Kreia, On the other hand he always knew Kreia never and would never treat him as he expected. In return Sion wished to show that he surpassed Kreia in power and did not need her.
Feaisian 2 years ago
Another win for Nihilus... the best Sith Lord that the Galaxy has ever seen.
richrocks95 2 years ago 39
@richrocks95 No. Kreia lost her power as the exile did. So Sion and Nihilus could defeat her. But at the end of the game,she retakes her full powers and she retakes her dark throne by defeating Sion on Malachor V. Nihilus has been defeated by the Exile so he is not the best sith lord that the galaxy has ever seen.. but is Kreia/Traya.
FabryFibra7991 1 year ago
@FabryFibra7991 He's at least one of the best Sith Lords...
richrocks95 1 year ago
Nihilus was a very powerful Sith Lord.. perhaps with the greatest ammount of raw power.. Alas, his reasoning made him nothing more than a monster.. he didn't want to rule the galaxy or anything.. he just wanted wanton destruction to sate his appetite. He would obliterate the Exile wasn't it for the fact the Exile was an anti-Nihilus.. she was a void in the Force.. and thus, when he tried to feed on her.. he accidently owned himself - weakening himself greatly and ultimately getting killed.
coreqek 1 year ago
@coreqek
Yeah the Story is complicated xD
dubbeltid 1 year ago
@richrocks95 He wasn't the best Sith Lord..his unstoppable hunger made him easy to manipulate and Kreia totally owned him and Sion
MuseandIncubus 1 year ago 6
@richrocks95 you're kidding right? tell me you're kidding!!!!! darth nihilus is nothing agains darth revan!!!! REVAN RULE'S!!!
Verteidiger99 1 year ago
@richrocks95 reven was better.
skillzofatree 9 months ago 2
most painful beating ever, I remember seeing it for the first time on my file...
ThreeGuyVid3os 2 years ago
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1:17 she deserved the beating
noobhero78 2 years ago
How did he get this vid? :O
JonathanDuek 2 years ago
wheres my money? Does darth scion gonna have to a choke a bitch
Dafob52 2 years ago
That's what you get for leaving the kitches, bitch
Danhelll 2 years ago
sexist!!!
ionrocket 2 years ago
sion beasty
orangepower33 2 years ago 2
kkkooootttooorrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
orangepower33 2 years ago 4
woman basher
Lohkize 2 years ago
DAMN! sion just opened a can of wup-ass on kreia
xxbenedict6xx 2 years ago 4
Yeaaah, Nihilus & Sion are the best siths ever.
HittokiriBattousai17 2 years ago 4
she suffered indignities? gross!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gtran405 2 years ago
holy crap look at scion go.
werewolf9205 2 years ago 2
Goodytree:
Good luck, Jedi die in KOTOR by Revan so...You lose. There shouldn't be a KOTOR II, Jedi are dead because they're so weak.
WolfytheWolf5667 2 years ago
Jedi are finished, it´s Sith´s time! Muhahaha!! Ò_Ó XDDD
HittokiriBattousai17 2 years ago 3
Once more the sith will rule the galaxy! And...we shall have...peace (in a raspy voice)
Saruman54231 2 years ago 6
Creeping Palpatine =) but i prefer this part:
"Do what must be done, Lord Vader, do not hesitate, show no mercy!"
HittokiriBattousai17 2 years ago 7
Kyle Katarn used them as meatshields as he walked up to Katarn Punch Darth Revan in the face, causing a massive Genesis effect that created the Valley of the Jedi.
WWIIOLgeorgh 2 years ago
Techniques in the force against which there is no defense? Is that her way of saying she got the shit beaten out of her?
rafflesia123 2 years ago 7
Aka She only knows how to swing a saber.
RedRavenProductions 2 years ago
hahahaha! in the movie kreia doesnt have her hand and yet she loses it years later...... sorry about the spoiler to anyone who doesnt know yet (yet you should know if youve ever played this game for at most two hours)
maslab 2 years ago
How do You Pick The Dark Side In This Game?
gawee08 2 years ago
Act like a total bastard and kill innocents simple.
ManicMadness97 2 years ago
gawee08:
when you pick your skills, you can choose dark side powers.
Then when you are in certain conversation/dialogues, choose the "evil" option.
Example:
You can use mind control to make guys kill themselves, and etc.
WadeDanielSmith 2 years ago
lol how do u get that cutscene?
Slayerp112 2 years ago
Sion Beat The Shit Out Of Kriea
EdgeTheBest45 2 years ago
Krea in my opinion one of the(if not the best)character in KOTOR2 and Sith Lord.She can always talk about very interesting things,have hew own position of world not just stupid -light or dark-but something else.And she teach how you REALLY must deal with your problems.Don't be quick to solve them,if you can use them against oponent and when he can do nothing to you throw him away.Very charismatic person.
Zexer95 2 years ago
She's one of the best villains in gaming history
KalAshtuk 2 years ago
true
XBLShadow 2 years ago
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o.O this is the most FUCKING RETARDED GAME OF ALL TIMES !!! i can't believe it how the programmers can be SO demented.. it's unimaginable.. so i was playing at the difficult setting trying to race on Onderon.. and when i reached the last stage i had to beat a time of 43:04.. well i didn't succeed from the first try and sometimes i pressed esc + f to cancel the race. but later on i got times of 42:56 and 41:xx. it didn't even matter !!!
poisonfume 2 years ago
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because ever since i pressed esc f to cancel the race, each time i was finishing the track either with good or bad times, the game acted like i was forfeiting even if i completed the fucking race !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O i tried reloading the save, changing maps, restarting the game, NOTHING WORKED !!!... it's.... mind boggling... the most fucking retarded game i seen...
poisonfume 2 years ago
ok i loved kotor 1, really disliked 3 but i never found 2...this looks like ones game style how do i find this and is it for a console or pc?
D21UpstateNY 2 years ago
this is kotor2. theirs no kotor3
mseebs 2 years ago
there never was a kotor3
FoxCommand226 2 years ago
ahhhh but there soon will be a kotorish2 its actually tor tho so i guess your right
KreativeAustinX 2 years ago
KOTOR3 is going to be an MMO
BroadwayRonMexico 2 years ago
No, that isn't it KOTOR3, it's essentialy a spin-off, a bigger spin-off at that, don't think of me as bashing it, it looks good, but I refuse to call it KOTOR3.
FoxCommand226 2 years ago
it's comming with a story line at least YAY! not like silly WoW
pizzamoviefan2 2 years ago 2
I never said it was bad, I want it, but I doubt my computer would be able to run it.
FoxCommand226 2 years ago
3? how you dislike 3 if there is no Kotor 3?
maybe in your head only... :)
Zigy16w 2 years ago
kreia was an awesome character i loved talking to her more than any of the others and when it boiled down to it her teachings made alot of sence.
and am i the only one who would tap that mature sith booty?
darksepheroth 2 years ago
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AdamWeith 2 years ago
it mean "do it" with her
IZV12 2 years ago
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AdamWeith 2 years ago
Kreia was a very interesting, complex and well written character. And while she goes completely psycho by the end of the game. I liked her more thoughout " balanced" view or the Jedi religion. She'd be an awfully cold teacher , but good or bad you'd learn how to get **** done.
DygitalNinja 2 years ago
thats how powerful the darkside is, n my opinion greater than the jedi, they sith will rise, jadi shall fall!
MusicListener19 2 years ago
fag
explosivo713 2 years ago
thats right bitch lol
thehillsrlz4eva 2 years ago
Here's my beef with this cutscene, if the exile had the awareness (And if the game actually let your character catch blatant hints) She/He could have figured out she was sith by how kreia told her story. Im not directly judging the story but there isnt really an excuse for ignoring such obviousness.
NixonTech2071 2 years ago
Sion is BADASS!!!!!
Alias166 2 years ago
wow she just got owned
Drboblolz 2 years ago 2
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The company that made this game isn't even the same as the one that made the first game.
And as you all should know the first game was AWESOME.
I bought this game when it came out thinking it was going to rock. But it blowed.
fortisKID 2 years ago
i really liked this game but the first game was much better :))
Gash1234 2 years ago
I thought the second one was better, personally. Maybe it's because I played it first. I thought the characters were deeper and the story had a darker, more interesting plotline.
PuissantAlgernon 2 years ago
Both had their ups and downs... personally I prefer Kotor II because the new features and darker themes
338jon 2 years ago 4
PuissantAlgernon,
The second game copied the exact same plotline from the first game. The only difference was they made it suck.
338jon,
The first game was all ups and no downs. The second game had absolutely no good qualities.
fortisKID 2 years ago
Well thank-you for share your opinions in a mature fashion.
338jon 2 years ago
I...don't follow. The only thing I can see that their stories had in common, other than you have to collect four different objects on four different planets. But it's not like it hadn't been done BEFORE Kotor 1 anyway. Also, you're fighting Sith, but what the fuck did you expect? Of fucking COURSE you're going to be fighting Sith.
I kind of regret replying here, since I know you're probably not going to make any actual arguments except to talk about how KotOR II raped your dog.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
I'm not saying you're wrong, necessarily - I'm saying that you aren't making any arguments. If you don't have anything to say other than that you think the game was bad, why exactly are you replying at all?
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
In fact, I'll do you one better and preemptively list MY problems with the game.
Virtually all KotOR II's problems are the fault of the publisher, not the developer. This game was rushed out the door, and it shows. The ending is non-existent, many plot points were dropped due to time. The only planet that feels absolutely, 100% complete is Onderon (unsurprising, since it was the first planet they worked on). There are significant pacing problems (particularly in the beginning).
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
There are lots of bugs - I got a few CTDs for no apparent reason. I also would have liked to see the villains fleshed out at least a bit more. In short, the game quite simply lacks polish. LucasArts made Obsidian release a game that required a two-year development cycle in just one year.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
The first KotOR shows just how valuable a fully developed game can be. The plot of KotOR 1 is surprisingly average - even stock - when you think about it. Like many RPGs, one central object of the game is essentially to collect four plot coupons. There's nothing too revolutionary about it (though the Revan revelation is surprising when you learn about it, it's hardly unique among games).
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
And to be honest, as intimidating as Malak is (and as much as I thought he succeeded as a solid antagonist), his methods and characterization plant him firmly in the "cartoon supervillain" camp. I challenge anyone to play through KotOR and check off every single time Malak breaks one of the rules on the Evil Overlord List.
("If my weakest troops fail, I will send out my best troops instead of wasting time with progressively stronger ones as he gets closer and closer to my fortress." Check).
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
What makes KotOR good, however, is how it takes this plot and inserts good characters who are tied to the story in such a way as to give the story more weight. Also, each planet has just enough quests, and these quests are fully-developed enough, to get you to care about them, but not so many that you'll get tired of doing them before the planet is finished.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
I liked the characters in KotOR II, but they were conspicuously absent from the ending (again, they were cut due to time). And Onderon is the only planet that seems completely finished, in which the quests fit together in a way that's well-paced
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
Now, onto the stuff I liked. What I primarily liked about this game was its philosophical depth. It wasn't as straightforwardly dualistic as the first game was (not to say that KotOR I is ethically immature - this isn't Saturday morning, G.I. Joe vs. Cobra dualism I'm talking about). Nor did it adhere to the cynical relativism that some games do.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
Rather, it posited that perhaps we should consider the greater consequences of small acts of kindness or cruelty. In offering aid to someone, might we be hurting them in the long run?
I don't really think the way that Kreia does, but I do think the writers made an effort to genuinely and seriously present her arguments in a way that makes sense and doesn't just sound like cynical contrarianism.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
I also liked how it elaborated on some alternate viewpoints on the Jedi and the wars that took place earlier. The Jedi can be seen as sanctimonious assholes who sat on their asses while the galaxy was destroyed, who are not at all blameless for their destruction in the purge that followed the civil war.
I liked a lot of the writing in this game - unfortunately, no writer is good if they aren't allowed to finish the story they're working on. The story suffers for being half-finished.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
As far as gameplay goes, it's exactly the same (with just a few tweaks here and there), so I have no complaints there.
Overall, I think KotOR II is a good game, but a deeply flawed one. I can understand very easily why you hate it so much. I don't agree, but I understand. Especially if you don't like "talky" games with lots of philosophical mumbo-jumbo in them.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
ahh they had to rush it b4 christmas
thehillsrlz4eva 2 years ago
I know - believe me, I know.
It's really a shame that the Sith Lords Restoration Project mod is probably going to turn out to be vaporware. I was looking forward to installing it, but I'm starting to give up hope that Team Gizka will ever finish it.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
i agree with you 100%, but I haven't played that game since its release so i didn't have a good enough memory to list one by one each individual problem with the game.
fortisKID 2 years ago
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look like i said, i can't remember enough about the game to put out a good argument. but what i do remember (and wish i could forget), was that the game blowed. If i could go back in time and erase this game's story from star wars history i would. I will make it plain and simple, the plot sucked, the characters were practically replicas of the characters from the first game, and the story was the same. I was expecting the story to be different and have its own interesting plot twist.
fortisKID 2 years ago
Well, we seem to have a serious divergence of opinion here. I believe the game to be very deeply flawed, but I don't think it sucks, and don't think the characters were as similar to those of the previous game as you remember them being. Certainly the tone is a lot different (serious ALL THE TIME - a sense of humor wouldn't have killed them).
From what I gather, you feel the same way about this game that I feel about the movie "Ocean's Twelve."
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
I certainly hope you don't harbor any ill will toward the developers, though, because there are some fucking geniuses working at Obsidian - including the people who wrote Fallout and Planescape Torment.
I think Black Isle Studios (the company that Obsidian rose from the ashes of) made a couple games that were better than anything Bioware could ever dream of making - and that's saying something, believe me.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
You may think that now, but when Bioware releases that new Star Wars MMORPG Obsidian won't be worthy of shining their shoes.
fortisKID 2 years ago
I'm sure it'll be good, but I sincerely doubt it'll be as good as Planescape Torment.
bbqplatypus318 2 years ago
same here it was flawed but it had lost jedi to it and the characters are way different.
songokuthesaiyan 2 years ago
the story was alot darker and better
neji7143 2 years ago
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Anyone that enjoyed the first game of KoTOR I highly suggest that you do NOT get this game. It's not as good as the trailer makes it look.
fortisKID 2 years ago
tell us how was this game not good? i belive it was still a great game and should not be criticized because it was made by different people and was incompleat. besides let the people try it themselves and let them deside.
Drboblolz 2 years ago
The story was absolutely dreadful. Anyone that buys this game has no respect for star wars.
Thinking of KoTOR 2 is starting to make me feel a little noxious.
fortisKID 2 years ago
If some people don't want to believe me then its their funeral.
fortisKID 2 years ago
That was actually one of the most brutal beatdowns in Star Wars.
onthebridge98 2 years ago 3
true
XeRrAyDuDe357 2 years ago
I was a star wars fan my whole life, but kotor was what dragged me into it even more. Bioware are pure geniuses at creativity on how they were able to create such a successful new story in the star wars universe. imo it beats the six movies by far.
malscyllis 2 years ago 5
love these scene becouse Traya get defeated for first time and second the exile defeats her here on this place :P
wallie221 2 years ago 4
didn't play the game...who's the guy with the red/white mask?
slicendice2349 2 years ago
Darth Nihilus. Look him up in Wiki to learn about him.
Ozza22 2 years ago
And THAT is why it's better to have TWO Sith rather than three: so that shit like this doesn't happen.
Sanguiluna 2 years ago 3
Hehe. Sion and Nihilus were more interested in raw power than the intellectual pursuits of Kreia. They thought her approach signalled weakness..
darthbandon10 2 years ago 3
Kreia is a bitch >.>;; And even though this game isn't NEARLY as good as KotOR 1 (storyline-wise) the graphics and awesome force powers make up for it and besides that...it still really is a great game
draganryo 2 years ago
Yes. Force Crush.
Makinoija 2 years ago
When do you get your first Lightsaber in SW: KOTOR 2?
Themostpower 2 years ago
you have to travel to different places to get the pieces. It's hard as fuck. I'd look on the net.
draganryo 2 years ago
Okey thanks draganryo
I have got it now :D
But I miss SOOOO much, its not much improvements with the lightsaber, anything I can do? Im really a beginner of this game, I really love Star Wars so I wanted to try this game as I heard alot of nice things about it!
Themostpower 2 years ago
What I'd do is get a strategy guide for the first couple of times xD.
draganryo 2 years ago
On Dantooine, Bao-Dur tells you a list of parts needed to build a new one. Crystals you may find in a cave or buy, parts are obtained from one of the ruin robbers (you have to save him first in the Jedi Enclave). The last you get either if you defeat Visas on Ebon Hawk or defeating Azgul (if you defeat Visas first and construct your saber, then after killing Azgul tou get a short lightsaber, the same with Visas after defeating Azgul).
Silent46 2 years ago
cool i mean
itachi7000535 2 years ago
kreia seems evil but coll at da same time
she's my fav character
itachi7000535 2 years ago 2
This is the best cutseen in the world it evan cooler if you beat the game
Ranger665 2 years ago
FIRST she is not called darth kreia she is called darth traya SECOND darth sion was beating her up because i think that at this scene they discovered her plan to try and destroy the force itself
sa6uto 2 years ago
No, I guess she didn't saw the Force as she will do later. By that time, the reason why Sion and Nihilus attacked her is explained in the video: "There were disagreements, ambition. And hunger for power."
Seyo 2 years ago
omg...this cutscene is an epic one.....best vid
kamykaze88 2 years ago
where did you get thaT?i do not remember that scene
kamykaze88 2 years ago